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Date: 13 May 96 08:43:42 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Re: Speedos etc

> the 1/4"-1/2" of caked on dirt/oil from the transmission that the P.O.
> had applied, apearently wanting to prevent rust.

Obviously the transmission can't rust, having an aluminum casing. *But*,
the caked grime is actually coveted by many LR owners as it's the only
thing that keeps the tranny from leaking all too profusely. Most likely
you'll have to live with an oil-blotched tailgate from now on, now that
you've stripped the transmission of its external oil proofing.
(Not joking, as usual...)

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Date: Mon, 13 May 96 09:15:00 CDT

I have a question for all LR owners, Defender owners in particular:

When the outside temperature rises above 70 deg F, my rear turn signals fail 
to operate. (of course, when this happens, the front flashers start flashing 
rapidly)  This situation occurrs 80-90% of turn signal use and only happens 
has it gets warmer outside.  My estimation of 70 degress is just that, a 
rough estimation.

Thanks for any help,
Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 07:46:10 -0600
From: Stephen Brown <srbrown@sair020.energylan.sandia.gov>
Subject: Range Rover Tires

My 1988 Range Rover needs new tires. It appears that the 205/R16's
from Michelin are about $155 each -- a bit hard to swallow. Does
anyone know of a good alternative maufacturer and/or tire size that
won't set me back so far?

Thanks for any help.

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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:01:44 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Lost

Dear All,
        Where is everybody, and everything?? Is this a system problem, lack
of interest, my computer, what???
        If anybody gets this in the digest, email me so I can figure out
why I'm not getting the digest.
        Thanks.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:06:48 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Muddy waters

Tom sez...

>Just picked up my series IIa radiator from the repairer who told me it 
>was full of mud!

Ouch!

>My guess is that the muddy water was sucked in crossing some very muddy 
>creeks. When the river water hits the radiator the cooling must create a 
>vacuum and suck water back through the overflow pipe the outlet of which
>is thoughtfully positioned nice and low on the radiator.
-

Possible, if your radiator cap is the type that allows that reverse flow.
The radiator shop didn't find any holes that might account for it, did they?

As far as flushing it goes... you already have the radiator out. I would
adapt a garden hose to fit the outlet at the back of the head and just run
water through it all. Open the drain at the bottom of the block. You may
want to block off the radiator connections with a rag to force the water to
circulate through as much as possible.

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:31:55 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Test/update

Hi all,

Welcome back (if this is indeed working).  Took the rover out this weekend for its first 
on-road debut, the off-road debut was last weekend but the major died before my note of 
it hit the post.  Got the rover up to 50 mph on a long stretch of flat road.  More 
importantly, the vagueness it used to have in the steering is gone.  I'm not sure how 
much was due to the bad steering box and how much was from the weak horns on the frame 
but either way, the handling was gentlemanly. 

As soon as I get the rollbar and seatbelts back in, the blue brick will get to go out 
2-3 days/week.

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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From: tmindt@mho.net (Ted Mindt)
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 09:11:48 +0000

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:29:07 -0500
Subject: Frame Replacement Log, 18

Well, this is the last installment.

Its whole again!

..

Thanks everyone for putting up with this. I hope in some small way
this has contributed to the general body of rover knowledge. At
least those contemplating this type of adventure know that it can
be done with (mostly) one person, except for moving the big stuff.

I feel that in some way I've moved to another level of Land Rover
Ownership, sort of a Rover Rite of Passage, made even more difficult
by the fact that I didn't have a second Rover to drive while doing
this. I had to deal with Rover withdrawl as well. Life would have
been a lot better if I had another Rover to drive through all those
feet of snow we got, enjoying the closest thing to 4 wheeling I've
tasted, instead of driving bushings at the point of Maximum
Dissassembly and getting the Saturn stuck 20 feet from the end of my
driveway.

By all rights, this Rover ought to be dead. I think its body and
two owners who really didn't know what they were doing saved it.
The P.O., according to all the reciepts I have, spent nearly $3000
on it before I bought it, and it really doesn't seem like he did
much. New carb, fuel pump, exhaust manifold, new pipes (now replaced),
shocks (now replaced), tires, had some brake work done (mostly
replaced), a bunch of cosmetic things.

But, I really shouldn't have bought it in the first place...

Now I've pumped about another 3 grand into it, and only now do I think
its reached the point where it is worth the investment. Should it have
been saved? Well, thats the real question, now isn't it? But, its kind
of too late now. Nope. 31800441B lives on.

..

So this last week, I played with recovering my seats (with basic
vinyl), and some other little things while I waited for my new
mudshields. Once they arrived, a friend and I got those and the wings
mounted. We spent a fair amount of time getting everything adjusted
and (re)aligned correctly.

At that point, I let it sit for the night. I wanted to just think
about everything, making sure I had reattached, adjusted, or tightened
everything down that would need to be before the first test drive. I
didn't want to crash the first time out.

I thought of a couple minor things, but everything seemed sound. I
corrected those, fired it up, and first rolled it back and forth a few
times in the driveway, listening for sounds and looking for leaks.

Then out into the alley and once around the block, going through all
the gears, checking the speedo, and generally taking it easy. Wow!
That was great! I'm sure anyone who saw me was wondering why this guy
had such a huge, dumb grin on his face :-) I was still pretty nervous,
though. I have only a small amount of brake, so I took things pretty
easy. I stopped back in my driveway and looked things over again.
Everything still appeared normal.

Then it was around a couple more times, checking just exactly how much
brake I did have, and other things. The suspension feels great - nice
and smooth and no squeeks or groans. Tomorrow I take it in to have the
brakes pressure bled, and then I can begin the real testing.

The last time I drove it was November 6, 1995 - 6 months ago. Seems
like forever.

So now the frame replacement is done, and I can go back to having all
the basic maintenance things that everyone else has to do. Thanks for
all the support and encouragemant from everyone on the list.

The End? Hardly. Is a Land Rover ever "done?"

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:56:32 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Frame Replacement Log, 18

Tim sez...      

>Its whole again!
..........snip.......
>I feel that in some way I've moved to another level of Land Rover
>Ownership, sort of a Rover Rite of Passage, made even more difficult
>by the fact that I didn't have a second Rover to drive while doing
>this. 
..........snip.......
>Then out into the alley and once around the block, going through all
>the gears, checking the speedo, and generally taking it easy. Wow!
>That was great! I'm sure anyone who saw me was wondering why this guy
>had such a huge, dumb grin on his face :-)
-

We can see that grin from here! Sure feels good, don't it? Makes it all
worthwhile. Now that your Rover is alive and everything is right in the
world, you can get back on with the business of being a human again!!

Cheers
Mike

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From: David_R._Bobeck_at_USHMM@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 13 May 96 14:28:49 EST
Subject: yet another frame story...

Well, this is the last installment.

Its whole again!

and now its time to pass the torch...

my 88 is still languishing at "maximum dissassembly", awaiting the next time I 
have time to work on it. This past weekend was occupied with a various 
Birthday/Mom's day celebrations/obligations, and this week I have to pack all of
my belongings into little boxes so that I can carry them outside and put them 
into a U-haul truck destined for Arlington VA. That will take place Saturday the
19th, leaving Sunday (maybe, doubt it tho') open to get some work done. Here's 
the progress so far:

New frame mostly painted
Rear axle clean and ready for paint*

*In the process of cleaning up the rear axle, I noticed on the bottom of the 
casing, where the reinforcing piece used to be (rusted away) betwixt the spring 
mount and the left wheel, there was a considerably long (5") crack that followed
the length of the tube. Well, my grinder went to work on the crack to see how 
deep it was (no leaky) and soon rust chips were flying and the crack was getting
bigger and bigger, then it was (!) gone. What's left is a very thin section of 
axle tube that has a small pinhole, which by itself wouldn't bother me, but 
combined with the loss of material from corrosion, could make for a rather 
treacherous set up. So it's off to the wrecking yard (mm hmm, right) for a new 
axle tube. I think I've got one lined up but if anybody has any thoughts on the 
repair/replace issue, then let'em fly. There's also another pinhole on the top 
of the pumpkin. Also how thick are these things *supposed* to be? 

Dave "Look Ma, No Rover!" B.
SerIII SWB "Five easy pieces"
Washington DC, USA

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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:11:21 -0400
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: D90 Running Boards FS

Anyone want a pair of running boards for a D90?

Being the L-R traditionalist, I have decided to swap the runningboards on
my '94 D90 for sidesteps... and am selling the like-new running boards. 
Any takers?

They are black (an exact match for the D90 roll cage tubes, etc.) and in
virtually new shape (I never step on them... don't need to.   There should
be a picture of them in the vehicle gear section of the D90 catalog.   Come
with all mounting hardware, etc.   Asking  $300 plus shipping.  If I
remember right, they were about a $500 accessory from Land Rover and even
Atlantic British wants $350 for knock-off imitations.

Please let me know... I will pull them off the vehicle, disassemble and
clean, touch up any brackets that have worn finish, wire-brush and clean-up
all hardware, etc.  They'll be ready to bolt on and like new.

Let me know.

Cheers, 

P. Reid
preid@csi.compuserve.com
(513) 642-9032

'94 D90
'58 S1
'65 Belgian
'67 109 pickup
'62 88 Safari (FS)

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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:43:18 -0400
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: What the heck happened?

Once upon a time I was on the lro, then the lro-au and then poof! Nothing
Not a note for two weeks.  Where did I go?  Sent a note to majordomo and found myself on 
only the lro-au list.  Now I have resubscribed to lro but my question is: what happened?

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:38:53 -0400
Subject: subscribe Lro list

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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:30:02 -0600
From: Roger Bingham <rbingham@abq-ros.com>
Subject: list problems

I sent the "WHO LRO-LIST" request to the majordomo on Saturday to 
get a list of all subscribers.  I got back a list of only 49 names!
Quite a drop from the 700 as of Feb 96- probably explains the low 
traffic lately.

Roger Bingham
Albuquerque NM
'71 SIIA 88" soft-top

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From: David_R._Bobeck_at_USHMM@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Mon, 13 May 96 17:45:42 EST
Subject: US Miltary 110's on display...

News Flash! News Flash!
US Special Forces 110 on display!!!

Where: "The Mall" Washington DC
What: Big ol honkin' flat black-110 SW TDi-armor plated-no roof-no windscreen-no
doors-big roll cage-turret mounted machine gun totin'-eats pink panthers for 
breakfast-Special Forces "gun j**p" (ahem). Where's Steve Denis when you need 
'im?

This thing was really really really realy cool. We managed to get the Special 
Forces guy to let us look at his Tdi, which, according to the man, has been 
macho-Americanized by somebody in the States. This particular truck lives in the
Pacific Northwest. The ccolest thnig about it was the secrecy, they even had it 
under a "camo-tent" out there on the mall, and the vehicle had no markings of 
any sort whatsoever, apparently to the disdain of some members of communities 
where their manouvers take place. 

Anybody in the DC area get out and see this puppy.

"Hey mom I just saw this really neat black jeep with a big gun on it, and.."

Dave "The above sentence was too long to use as a middle name" B.
Bored in DC (No Rover to play with)

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 21:50:58 -0500
Subject: Help! Small short takes all power...

ok, so it ain't over 'till its over...

Thankfully the list seems to be functioning on some level. I was taking   
the LR to have the brakes bled this evening when I found another bug. All   
of the sudden I lost power - it felt exactly like I was running out of   
gas. I got to the side of the road, and discovered I had smoke in the   
motor compartment.

I jumped out and got the bonnet up, and my fuse block was burning. More   
specifically my ignition leads were burning. I got it quicky out, and   
instantly discovered the problem. I haven't hooked up the heater yet, and   
I had over looked the hot lead for the fan switch when checking all the   
wiring. It seems to have made contact with ground someplace, and caused a   
short at the fuse block. The fan lead was connected to the same group as   
the ignition leads.

The result of this is that I now have no power at all. Grrrrrrrrrr!

I'm posting before a complete examination, but upon a onceover of the   
schematic, it seems I may have burned the coil. However, i can't tell for   
sure if a bad coil would prevent all power to the system. When i turn the   
key switch, I get nothing - no lights, no fuel guage, nothing. The other   
possibility, of course, is that I fried the ignition switch. However, i   
didn't see any smoke from behind the dash.

While I don't expect anyone to have had a duplicate of this problem, I'm   
wondering if a bad coil would result in these symptoms or not. Any help   
fast would be great. I have to be on the road by saturday, so if I need a   
coil, I have to get the order in today. I got 50 people coming over and a   
lot of them are going to want to see this thing *done*.  Arrrrg. I hate   
it when i'm stupid...

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Subject: land rover list status... 
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 00:23:48 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Hi,
	Well, I've managed to restore most of the land-rover-owner list
of subscribers (99) and about a third of the lro-digest list of subscribers
(about 300 people), if you got this message directly, you have been replaced
on the appropriate list.

	Tomorrow, I'll send out another messages to the remaining lists,
and ask folks who did not get this message to re-subscribe.

	Cheers,
	-B

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Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 20:21:24 -1000 (HST)
From: Pat Guerin <pat@puka.com>
Subject: test

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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 07:27:12 GMT
From: Joseph@opstrat.demon.co.uk (Joseph Martin Cullen)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

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