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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 06:50:25 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Parts Web Site

At  7:29 PM 4/15/96 -0400, Randall Thomas wrote:

>stuff like shocks, etc.  Just searched all my bookmarks and have come up
>dry.  Was I dreaming?

There are a couple of parts hoses with a "presence" on the net. One just
has a few books and a jacket offered.  But they have an easy way to order a
hard copy catalogue.

just because a company has prices on the web doesn't mean that their prices
are the best nor that the quality of the parts are any good.

I think its best to develop a relationship with a couple of companys that
you gain experience with and trust the quality of the parts.  Sometimes the
cheapest parts are exactly that and genuine parts may not be quite as good
as some aftermarket parts.  I think its important to find a company that
works at locating the best quality for the price parts they can source.

In the US, I'm happy with British Pacific and use Rovers North as the high
price backup.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: the endless clutch story
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 12:28:13 +0200 (METDST)

Hello Land Rovers,
perhaps some of you will remember my mail about what I thought to be
a transmission problem 9 weeks ago. I had just a scratching noise
but the truck didn't move any more. Michael Carradine told me from
several thousend kilometers away that this is a clutch problem.
When I took Brumml to the workshop (we had below freezing temps at
this time) they didn't find anything and the car ran normal again and
I felt like an idiot. But when my girlfriend drove it home, she just
got round the corner and stood again. Back to the workshop they
pulled the tranny and Michael turned out to be right (maybe you
should get into email diagnosting LRs, Michael). The part in the middle
of the clutch plate that connects to the shaft was broken loose.
The mechanic said, he'd never seen such. Maybe this is due to
Brummls military past.
I got the truck back just in time before a one week skiing trip
to Austria and paid nearly 1000DM (~660US$).  :-(
Some days after beeing back from skiing, the clutch pedal refused
to go down. I expected the master cylinder and got it out the same
evening (10deg below freezing), but it was all right. So I bolted it
in again and drove to the workshop the next day. They pulled the 
tranny again and found that the throwout fork broke throu in the 
middle, where it sits on the ball. Another 400DM (~260US$)  :-{

I hope that's all I here from my clutch the next couple of years.

I'd have told you this story earlyer, but the major had routing
problems with the mails to Germany and I was off the list for more
than 7 weeks (Thanks to Bill for getting this working again!).

Cheers,
Franz
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Franz Parzefall                 tbr1102@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]           Brumml  exmil. 1989 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 08:08:58 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Junk Mail

> As no one else seems to have recieved any junk mail recently i suspect 
> that the mail was addressed to you personally and not forwarded through 
> the major.   

It was *not* sent through the list. The person either did a "who" 
request from the server, or kept e-mail addresses archived from 
mailings. Everybody it was sent to was included in the "to:" field 
and I reconized a number of names from the lists. I think it was sent 
to people on both the lro & rro lists as I received two copies of it.

The unfortunate thing is that it was from the people selling the 
goodies from LROI mag. They've set up shop in Canada, as someone 
mentioned on the list.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 11:06:06 -0400
Subject: What's with the Major?

Help!!  Has the Major failed, or have I been unsubscribed??

Thanks,

Larry Smith

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 17:00:19 +1000 (EST)
From: Thomas Cooper <q9620149@helios.usq.edu.au>
Subject: Re: A Bunch of Stuff

On Mon, 15 Apr 1996 Solihull@aol.com wrote:

> Steven Meier wrote on the seventh: "The excess that appears is easy to remove
> the next day with a razor blade."
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
> 66 s2a SWB soft top "Red Rover" being minded for friend/customer 
> Vintage Rover Service
> "Since 1994, over half a dozen satisfied customers!"
I seem to have missed the original message, but here goes anyway. I used 
to use the silicone based gasket sealer quite regularly until I 
stripped down my "Selectro" hubs. I had used a good dose of silicone to 
try and fix a persistent oil leak from the gasket between the chrome bit 
holding the selector and the base ( which was pretty lazy - I should have 
cut a new gasket & cleaned up the surfaces.) 

Anyway I discovered the nuts onto the end of the drive shafts were severely 
corroded. 

As there was some oil in the hub & I hadn't used the vehicle off-road I can 
only assume the corrosion came from the acetic acid in the silicone gasket  
maker.

I have now stopped being so careless & believe there is usually no need 
for these products, cleanliness & new gaskets usually do the trick.

Tom Cooper SIIa LWB "Safari" Brisbane, Australia. 

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 96 08:59:00 CDT

I was just at the Great Britains Land Rover Dealer in Willow Grove, PA and 
they have a special edition '94 Defender for sale.  Black with soft-top 
(duh...), A/C, front leather seats, black painted wingtop protectors, 
bullbar, chrome running boards and a Camel sticker on the side ('bout the 
size of the land rover plaque).  I don't know the asking price but their 
number is 215.443.5900.  Try asking for Bob Johnson and mention me (he may 
give a discount...).  Good luck...

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 08:09:34 +0000
Subject: Re: SIII 2.25 fuel consumption?

Quoting Russell Newell, from 13 Apr 96

> can anyone tell me what kind of fuel consumption i can expect from my
> SIII, 2.25 109 petrol? at the moment it's about 12-14mpg.
That's about what I get - 200 miles to a tank...

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 21:51:34 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Starting with Lucas ( 4cyl and 6 cyl. helpful hints?)

You wrote: 
>>The '67 6cyl problem:
>>The starter (2 actually) tests fine outside the vehicle.  When installed 
>>they do not work at all - no noise - nothing.

snip
>the starter has good electrical connections
>Also, (snip) continuity. (snip) a bad starter manual switch. 
snip
>It is also possible to have a bad solonoid (snip)

Thanks for the useful comments.  I'll copy them and forward them.  I'm pretty 
sure he said he'd checked all of them.  I have one to add on my own experience:

Battery cables to the switch and from the block.  This was part of my problem 
(although that damn NEW starter switch was less than impressive).  Cleaning the 
posts and terminals might solve the problem and could certainly account for the 
symptoms.  (I replaced mine, polished to posts, put on anti-corrosive and 
replaced the switch == presto- turnover :) .  It seems if the posts/terminals 
get dirty enough that a tester will indicate continuity and voltage but not 
enough current gets through to do anything.  

>>Is it possible to short out a motor during installation???
>Also, (snip) continuity. (snip) a bad starter manual switch. 

>>Do SIII starters drop right into SIIA's? :(
snip
>Oh, you want to use the SerIII starter in place of the IIa..
>Yup. Should fit.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Cheers
>Mike

At the moment it doesn't look like I'll need one, but I'll be keeping that in 
mind.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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From: pbb@sys.uea.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 20:18:27 +0100 (GMT)
Subject: Second hand springs?

Hi,

My SIII is tipping onside a fair amount. I figure that it must be the 
springs. I haven't really checked this out so please correct me if there 
are other resaons this could be happening.

What is the concensus on buying second hand springs. They cost 50 pounds
(or so) new for each one and I guess its best to buy all four at once.
This means that it'll cost 200 pounds and as a student thats not good. Is
it worth turning to second hand springs or not? 

Thanks,

Peter
GSTQ.

---------------------------------------------------------
Peter Brophy		    http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~pbb
CGP, SYS		    (44) 01603-592035
Univeristy of East Anglia
Norwich
U.K

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:20:44 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Digest down?

Can someone on the real-time list tell me if the major is still breathing? 
The digest has been down for two days...both LRO as well as CSO.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: "S. Vels" <svels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date:          Tue, 16 Apr 1996 22:49:05 +0001
Subject:       Re: Second hand springs?

 From:          pbb@sys.uea.ac.uk
 Date:          Tue, 16 Apr 1996 20:18:27 +0100 (GMT)

> What is the concensus on buying second hand springs. They cost 50 pounds
> (or so) new for each one and I guess its best to buy all four at once.

I wouldn't go for used springs unless i was really out of money. I 
would at lest see them on a suitable car before purchase. When i 
changed my rear springs (yes you can change at one axle only) the old 
ones looked quite the same as the new ones. Except the new ones were 
black. But when the old ones were still under the car, they didn't 
look good. The left one was beginning to look like a bow tie. 

Change the set that needs most. Look for cracked leaves and spacing 
between the leaves. 

You DO know that Land Rovers lean to the passenger side of course.

If you find that the rear springs are most deformed and change these,
and the car is still leaning a bit to the drivers side, don't be 
alarmed. The front springs shares a ton of weight with that big lump 
out in the front. And the springs doesn't nescessarily need to be 
changed immeadiately just because they are a little tired.
I haven't changed my front springs and Aurens still leans a bit to 
the left. Suspension is still OK.

If the shocks are still worth saving when your springs are off, you 
should take the opportunity to exercise them. Top to bottom about 
20-30 times each. It's like getting new shocks. Almost.

Good luck
sv/aurens

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:20:25 -0400
Subject: 110 for sale...

>From todays' Phoenix AZ Republic, "93 Defender 110 - Rare - Estate Sale.
 #129 of 500 made. Never off road, books is $44,600 priced to sell $35,600.
912-0791.

That would be in area code 602.

Hope somoeone on the list snags it!
Gerry "PHX AZ" Elam

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:21:26 -0700
From: Craig Jett <cjett@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: What's with the Major?

Larry,
I stoped receiving mail on Sat. the 13th, unsubscribed then re-subscribed 
everything seems to be OK now...
Craig Jett

Lodelane@aol.com wrote:
> Help!!  Has the Major failed, or have I been unsubscribed??
> Thanks,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Thanks,
> Larry Smith

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 09:54:56 -0900
From: scholes@modemss.brisnet.org.au (David  R Scholes)
Subject: Land Rover Toys

I don't know if this is old news to all you model collectors out there. But
when I went to do my grocery shopping yesterday. I noticed that the
checkout was selling a toy Land Rover 90. It's about 6 inches long and
about 4 inches high. It has a pull cord in the back for that 'authentic
engine roar' (their description not mine!!!). It's officially authorised
and cost $6.99 at Coles Lutwyche here in Australia. I guess it would be
available Australia wide. If anyone wants more info, mail me and I'll have
a look next time I go down there!

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Date: 	Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:14:24 -0700
From: cyoungso@direct.ca (Chris Youngson)
Subject: Who's going to the ARC nationals?

Is there a designated get together area for LRO Lists members? 

73, Chris

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From: 73363.427@CompuServe.COM
Date: 16 Apr 96 23:44:49 EDT
Subject: MOD Tools

FYI...I ordered a set of the MOD tools from US Calvry and they showed up today.
I already had the LR tools, but thought at this price it would be worth getting
a spare. The tools that came are smaller than the LR ones, I would guess about
25% smaller. They might be a better size to mount on the fenders, but would not
be good for doing much digging. The LR pick and shovel are normal tool size, but
the shovel just has a shorter, "T" handle. The MOD tools would be harder to dig
with, and would wear you out faster, but they are about 20% the price of the LR
ones, and would be suitable for some light work.

  
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    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_______________________]
     EEEI           EEEI
 

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 16-Apr-1996

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:44:08 -0700
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@mail.comox.island.net>
Subject: Re: Second hand springs?

> What is the concensus on buying second hand springs. They cost 50 pounds
> (or so) new for each one and I guess its best to buy all four at once.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Thanks,
> Peter

Hello Peter,

My springs were looking pretty ugly all around - rusted together and 
splaying in places. I took them off (a nightmare), took the spring packs 
apart being careful not to damage the spring clamps, ground them down to 
metal with an angle grinder, painted them, and then assembled them 
buttering the individual leaves liberally with grease. The front end of 
my SWB went up 5/8" even though I left a leaf out (didn't measure the 
rear). The ride quality is vastly improved. 50 mph over washboard is not 
a problem. Previously I would have lost my fillings! The price was 
right, three grinding disks, and I'm a happy camper.

BTW there are several schools of thought regarding greasing the leaves. 
Some claim this will capture grit that will wear the leaves away over 
time. Personaly I'll take the softer ride and replace them in ten years 
if need be. Others on this list can no doubt provide details of the joys 
of replasing the spring bushes.

Cheers, Greg
Rovering - sans kidney belt - on beautiful Vancouver Island, B.C.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Cheap Rustproofing/Galvanic corrosion
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 10:21:17 UNDEFINED

>take much. I will follow the advice not to use engine oil in the future, 
>but truthfully I haven't seen much problem with its use up to now.  Other 

I have. When I was young and stupid, I 'rustproofed' my tools with a wipe of 
old engine oil. I didnt need to use em for 6 months. When I looked at em they 
were badly corroded, and pivots and screw adjustments had seized. NO WAY would 
I get the stuff anywhere near a car ai intended to keep. Otherwise itwould be 
safe to leave in the engine..........

Gear oil is fine. Engine oil should be thrown in the nearest lake in teh 
nearest National Park at the first opportunity.

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Subject: LR 88 4 sale (HOLLAND)
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 96 09:09:47 -0000
From: <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

Hello Rovers!

I've still got a 1977 Land Rover 88" HT (with the small side-windows), 
petrol for sale.

It's got a 5-bearing engine, because my old 3-bearing engine broke down 
unexpectly. It's marineblue and of course the 'white' roof. It rides on 
235x16 Michelin XM+S tyres, and you'll sit on early LR90 seats (but not 
the middle one).

There's some work (because is't not straigt, and that's because it's a 
Landy), but it works very good.

Mail me for more information.

Marc Rengers
Groningen, Holland
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

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   | _ |   |_ |}    |  _ \  |   |_ |}
   "(_)""""(_)"     "-(_)"""""""(_)" 
                                  
 1977  88" III HT    1987 110" StaWag 
    Petrol               Diesel  
   23-67-XB             RH-12-PF

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner
International (great magazine)

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Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 15:14:59 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Moving to UK Questions

    50 hertz 220 volts?
Yup.
Nope!!!!
50 Hertz 240 volts.Motors wound for 220 wont last long.
I thought they had recently lowered the mains to 220 to comply with another
bloody silly Eurostandard?

Go halves with you Andy:-)
Its actually 230V,I find,since Jan '95.The bloody silly Eurostandard involved
them increasing from 220 to 230 as well.Must be a record.They actually *changed*
something.....

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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