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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:53:02 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: I cringe while asking, but...

At 01:46 PM 4/10/96 -0400, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> wrote:
>	for the LR to Chevy 305/350/3.8lV6 (rearwheel drive)/4.3lV6.
>	A chap here wants to make a breakdown truck out of a 109
>	and wants a more powerful engine.

 Err.. must be some good friend of yours to bear this embarassment :)
 Take a look at Mike Hoskins' Aftermarket Parts page located on Rumpole's
 Land-Rover WWW page, http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html   The person you
 want to contact is Scotty in Concord, he also runs an ad in the Aluminum
 Workhorse.

 Cheers,

                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

     

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:21:30 +0200
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: steering box

Hi all,

Because of some oil-loss on the steering box I have to top it up. How much 
oil does it need ?  

Philippe C.
'81 Lightweight (ffr)
Ghent, Belgium

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:11:44 -0700
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: LandRover on the Web.

Exquisite!  And you know what?  Surprise!  They include Series photos and
blurbs under the "Heritage" selection for Discovery and the "Legend"
selection for D90SW.

Cheers!
John

At 11:22 10.04.96 -0700, Russ Burns wrote:
>It might be old news, but LRNA is on the web
>http://www.LandRover.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>cisco/Ford
>313-317-0451

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:11:36 -0700
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers and the rest

Thanks, Ian!  

I knew that Auld Lang Syne had several verses, but didn't know the exact
number.  I've always been curious about why "auld lang syne" sounds so much
like German "alt lang sein."  Although the German syntax is wrong for the
phrase, it has about the same meaning.  I don't think Scottish Gaelic and
German are closely related enough to be that close today.

Slainte!
John

At 15:33 10.04.96 +0000, Mr Ian Stuart wrote:
>Quoting John C. White, III, from 10 Apr 96

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 37 lines)]
>Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
> <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
>Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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From: jve@phaseone.dk
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 08:43:02 
Subject: sIII cylinder heads - final report

Hi all.

Well, it's done. My reworked cylinder head is back in place and MAN - what a 
difference. Now I can actually accelerate uphill in 4th gear! Strange feeling, 
but I like it :-)
The only backdraw is that when I drive, I have to keep saying to myself:
- Now I can get a speeding ticket!
- Now I can get a speeding ticket! ...

Thanks for the help everyone.

Happy Rovering!

Jens Vesterdahl
Copenhagen, Denmark
1972 109 STW

http://inet.uni-c.dk/~spiff/Jens.html

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:25:02 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Delco alternators

 Jeremy writes:
snip
> The consensus among converts is that it's better than fixing the 
> existing generator for several reasons not the least of which are:

snip

Alan gets to repost his conversion epic. ;-)

ps. for shims, I found that 5/16' collars work very nicely

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:36:47 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: D90, Top Truck??

 Rover Lovers,

 It's not too late to swoop down to your local newstand and pick up the
 May issue of Four Wheeler magazine.  Then, clip out the Official Voting
 Ballot on page 55 and vote in Don Mausseau's Defender D-90 (#49) as the
 champion for the Land-Rover marque.  While you're at it, cast a vote
 for Kai Serrano's Unimog U900 (#4) as one of the 9 additional votes  :)

 The magazine itself is worthwhile to Land-Rover enthusiasts, having:
 ................
 Many Discover and Defender advertisements, including the lowdown on
 last years photo-shoot of the Rhino chasing the Defender... with a
 picture of where the Rhino actually gores the aluminum intruder! (Ouch!)
 ............
 A two page "Long Term Test" article of the Land-Rover Discovery.
 .........
 An 4 pg article explaining the conversion of a Range Rover 3.9 V-8
 engine to a 5.0 liter producing 288 ftlbs at 2000 RPM, and increase of
 30% over stock rated at 220 ftlbs at 3250 RPM  ...for a mere $6K or so.  
 .....
 As always, many ad sources for off-highway accessories such as winches,
 diff lockers, shock absorbers, fog lamps, and of course latte holders.
 ....
 and, for Unimog enthusiasts, a letter to the editor from UniWolf, pg 12.

 Last year only 1000 or so persons cast ballots, so your vote does count.
 Select the D-90 (#49), then Unimog (#4) and send it off before mid-April.

 Cheers,

                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:41:31 -500
Subject: Road Sign Panel Repair Problem?

LRO,
I have seen notes about not using road signs for panel repair.  Years 
ago, I purchased a number of blemished signs from a metal recycler.  
I find them very handy for all sorts of applications.  What is the 
problem with using such a sign?  Mark 

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:47:30 -500
Subject: OZland Question

OZland,
I saw a film last evening entitled "Babe".  Bear with me.  This was 
filmed in the Southern Highlands, New South Wales, Australia.  The 
farmer, Arthur Hoggett, drives an old LHD truck of some make.  Do
you guys drive on the right or left or does it not matter in the 
out-outback?  What is the make of truck?  I really think they 
should have used an old Series Land Rover!  Mark    

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:16:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Galvanic action

On 10 Apr 96 at 21:40, Alexander P. Grice wrote:

> Anway, the short story is that everything has to be bonded together...and 
> the fittings all have to be in an electrolyte, (i.e., seawater) to complete 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Rover can be bonded with such efficiency, and they are not sitting in an 
> electrolyte.  I just can't visualize how this could possibily work.

I've seen occasional references here to the fact that a positive ground 
system seems to be less susceptable to electrolysis, and my own 
experience is that my Pos ground IIA doesn't seem to develop the 
jelly/powder substance with associated holes that my Neg ground  III used to at the 
base of the seat box, the rear frame member attach points, and of course 
the notorious rear seat attachment brackets, (not there on the IIA).  If 
others have the same field experience, it could be that a switch to Neg 
ground is not the boon it appears to be. (at least for those of us in 
Northern climes whose vehicles spend the winter damp with electrolytic 
solution due to road salt).  I for one never really feel the need for more 
Amps from an alternator to run the cigar lighter, since I don't smoke.  (  Curmudgeon's note:  
Assume here a smiley face.  I think the little buggers are just too 
precious, and tend not to use them.   Jonathon Swift didn't need them for people to know what he was 
about, and you can imagine the effect of "A Modest Proposal" full of winks, 
smiles and frowns.)
I am also curious whether those of you with galvanised frames noticed any 
difference in the effects of corrosion on the aluminum parts after your 
swap, though I would guess that after all that trouble you may feel more 
inclined to keep the new baby's bottom clean.

  Any comments?

Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 13:02:00 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: steering box

 Philippe C. asks:

> Because of some oil-loss on the steering box I have to top it up. How much 
> oil does it need ?  

it gets filled to the lower edge of the filler hole. ie. as much as 
you can get in.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:56:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Brake line paths & tub weight

Hi all,

thanks all who responeded for the info on brake lines. I finished running all 
the lines last night, except for those that go to the master cylinders (since 
the bulkhead isn't mounted).

I know we've discussed bleeding a lot, and I bought a bleeder kit at Sears 
the other night. But, that initial bleed. Should I open all the wheel 
cylinders and fill until I see fluid, then begin the proper bleed? Or should 
I try to do one line at a time from dry? I've never had all the lines dry 
before.

And I know, I know, I really should be using silicone since I've got all new 
stuff, but I don't have the cash so don't ask :-) Its going to be GTLMA.

Lastly, I'm going to be moving my tub on saturday. I've got the tub, seatbox, 
and running boards all together as a unit. Can four reasonably average guys 
lift this? I did some lifting on the corners, and it doesn't seem to be much 
heavier then the safari roof, but its hard to tell. Anyone with experience?

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:27:33 -0400
From: cmw@tiac.net (Christopher Weinbeck)
Subject: Non LR content gripe #1

>>an occasional wave from D90 owners (some of whom seem to be able to identify
>>my D110). 

>In South Florida? It's probably because their worried about being shot 
>for accidentally making eye contact with another driver...

You've obviously watched way too much Miami Vice.

Chris
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Christopher Weinbeck       Office Logic, Inc.      V (508) 392-0288
   _______                  7 Littleton Road        F (508) 692-0897   
  |__][_[_\__               Westford, MA 01886            
  |___\_|_]__]  '69 109" RHDwOD 2.6 Dormobile       
    (o)    (o)    -My, what a pretty shade of...green??!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 11 Apr 96 14:06:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Road Sign Panel Repair Problem?

>LRO,
>I have seen notes about not using road signs for panel repair.  Years 
>ago, I purchased a number of blemished signs from a metal recycler.  
>I find them very handy for all sorts of applications.  What is the 
>problem with using such a sign?  Mark 

The problem is that many folk are not as honest as you....8*)

Se habla steal 'em from the side of the road @ 2:AM?

   aj"Not Me - I scavenge 'em from the DPW..."r
 

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 07:27:53 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Turbocharged Heater

Woops! Make that it increases the aerodynamic drag on the vehicle.

Its make of white plastic.  Really stands out against the faded blue paint
on the front fender.  Also makes it easier to feed the squirrels.

Been off-road in heavy brush lately? I guees not or it would probably be gone. 
Or it would be full. (of squirrels)... Sort of like a smaller, more humane 
version of Dixon's "LEP" game catcher.
Right Dixon?

Warmest Regards,
Dave "I like animals, really" B.

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 10:58:12 EDT
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Re: I cringe while asking, but...

Dixon,
	Check out B&M Services in they U.K. They advertise regularly in LRO
and LRW. I don't have an issue handy, or I'd post it. What I do have is the
US reps number. In case anyone's interested. It's:

     Sierra Autosports in Nevada 702-322-6266

I spoke to them just last week.  The most popular conversion they have been
doing is 5L Mustang engines into RRs.  The kit is totaly bolt in. It includes
a plate which fits between the bell housing and engine as well as motor
mount adapters, crank shaft adapter, etc.  They told me that a set of headers
was in the works that will bolt on directly between the Ford engine and the
ends of the cats. For newer vehicles all emmisions stuff is transfered with
the Ford motor and passes no problem.  Fuel consumption is said to be around
20mpg on the highway. Only penalty is weight.  The Ford unit is heavy when
compared to the alum LR eng so, the front springs need to be changed.

I myself was doing some research into Chevy small block (350-400ci)
conversions just in case I run into anybody at the track this summer
selling off an aluminum small block cheap. Full price for just a new block
from Donovan (one of the best mfg.) is ~$4,300. Ouch. These blocks typicaly
weight around 100lbs.  With alum heads and other lightweight parts. It's
probably possible to build a street legal engine that's lighter than the
stock motor, make gobs more power, gets better mpg, no Lucas anywhere, and
is easy to get parts for here in the US. Nothing to cringe about except the
initial cost of doing such a conversion.

Another possible source is Mark's 4WD Adapters in Austraila. Numbers
I have for them are 613-97068148 fax, 613-97067669 voice. I've never
called them so I don't know if they are correct. I got the numbers
from thier US rep Advance Adapters.

Good hunting,
Rob

=============================================================================
  _________  |        Robert D. Leggiero                    rdl@NomuraNY.Com
 |     | \ \ |        Nomura Securities International       (212) 667-1958
#|_____|__\]\|____    Two World Financial Center, 20th Fl.
#|"___ |-   | ___ |   New York, N.Y.  10281-1198
[|/ - \|____|/ - \|]
  ( o ) ---- ( o )    1994 Defender 90 (AA Yellow, #1894)
=============================================================================

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:32:43 -0400
Subject: Re: D90, Top Truck??

In a message dated 96-04-11 04:39:15 EDT, cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
writes:

Many Discover and Defender advertisements, including the lowdown on
> last years photo-shoot of the Rhino chasing the Defender... with a
> picture of where the Rhino actually gores the aluminum intruder! (Ouch!)

I was at a construction site last weekend, and they had light poles removed
with pieces of rebar sticking out horizontally.  I backed into one about 4
times so I could say it was my truck they used in that adv. 

Gawd am I vain...
JOhn. Rhinoized90

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 08:47:23 -0400
Subject: Re: LandRover on the Web. (LRNA vs LR)

In a message dated 96-04-10 17:30:40 EDT, you write:

> Previously Land Rover had a page with employment opportunities.  Now they
> are back with a graphically super-cool LR vehicle page... that is, if you
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> a downloadable Land Rover screensaver, daily updates from the 1996 Camel
> Trophy, and a vehicle color selector."

I think the difference is that this new site is for LRNA, and the sight I
posted a while back was  the LR in Britain, you know, the folks that actually
make 'em.  I tried again, and access is forbidden into the company's UK page.

LR UK:  http://www.rover.co.uk

LRNA:   http://www.LandRover.com 

John.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:32:33 -0400
Subject: Re: D90 seats

In a message dated 96-04-10 22:00:45 EDT, maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden)
writes:

>Someone posted a fix for the elusive squeeking sounds allegedly from the
>D90 seats.   Accidentally lost the reply, but would sure like to see it
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Cheers, 
>Gary Madden

Gary, I lubricated the seat rails, and that did it.  But the dealer went
ahead and ordered me a new replacement set, so tell your dealer, maybe you'll
get a new set.
John, D90

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 21:10:12 +1000 (EST)
From: Dean Cording <dean@holly.aspect.com.au>
Subject: Re: Series vehicles over 40MPH

On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Mr Ian Stuart wrote:

> My 109 (SIII, 2.25 petrol, 750x16 tyres, no overdrive) can do over 70.
> I can talk to a passenger (admitably loudly, though not shouting) at 50mph

Hell, my passengers are usually too scared to talk when I'm doing 50mph, 
what with the Landy bouncing all over the road on its fat tyres.

Dean
=============================================================================
Dean Cording                                   ASPECT Computing P/L
                                               86 Northbourne Ave
Dean.Cording@aspect.com.au  (Work)             Canberra, ACT, 2601, AUSTRALIA
Dean@holly.aspect.com.au    (Private)          ACN. 005 083 670

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 11 Apr 96 11:58:54 MST
Subject: Waving... and other (tiring) images.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Me too! I wave to ALL LR's... And even total strangers, though when I
did that this morning, I thought it was my friend's classic convertible
Corvair without the rear window, wearing historic license plates. (It
turned out to be the wrong car!) :o Heck! How many "classic Corvair
convertibles with.... ...plates are there in Phoenix at 7:00AM???

As for being a "yuppy" by driving my '87 Range Rover... Not even close!
I USE mine, HARD, and it RARELY gets a bath! (Too busy chasing the Lucas
demons to clean it!)

I would agree, that the majority of RR owners (and Disco's) are probably
yuppy types, never intending to actually take their LR's off the
pavement. Let's just not put all RR/Disco owners into the "yuppy" or the
"plushmobile" categories, okay? In fact, I'd suggest that the vast
majority of RR/Disco owners on this list are LR "USERS!"

So, while we all know "they" are out there, can we agree to drop the
stereotypes regarding RR's and Disco's when communicating via the LRO
list? It simply doesn't apply to "us." And if you see some crazy fool in
a grey RR, Hella lights, no front spoiler, dirty, (the RR, hopefully not
me...) all scratched up, dark tinted windows... PLEASE be sure to wave,
flag me down, and introduce yourself! And if I don't wave back, I ASSURE
you that either I didn't see you, or was busy drinking my "Latte"...
uh... "Latee"... uh... AWW S$%#... COFFEE!

Besides... many of "us" RR and Disco owners own series vehicles as well!

 #=====#         #========#          -------,___          _________
 |___|__\___     |___|__|__\___      |--' |  |  \_|_     //__/__|__\___
 | _ |   |_ |}   | _ |  |   |_ |}    |  _ |--+--|_  |    \__/-\_|__/-\_|}
 "(_)""""(_)"    "(_)"""""""(_)"    ||_/_\___|__/_\_|}      (_)    (_)
                                       (_)      (_)
 1971 "88" IIa   1970 "109" IIa     1994 Discovery (Sold) '87 Range Rover
 LIC: LION B8    Historic plates     (Too hard to "draw")  rear Lock-Right
 Phoenix Arizona USA (602) 820-8052                        Crane cam
                                                           OME springs
                                                           Bilstein shocks
                                                           Optima battery
 Have: tools, knowledge, couch, etc...  Pager: (602) 275-2508 #6486

P.S. How the heck can I get on the RRO list? Does it really exist? I've
tried SEVERAL times, even sending a note to the major asking for help
in doing this but still no digests or RRO posting... Was I duped into
believing that there really is a RRO list???

                "I'm not a smart man."
                      Forrest Gump

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and what lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters compared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph Waldo Emerson

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From: tmindt@mho.net (Ted Mindt)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:26:34 +0000
Subject: '59 Series II for sale

I have just got my home page running and it has all the details and 
pictures of my '59 Series II that I am selling. The address is 
http://www.mho.net/tmindt/

Regards,
Ted Mindt

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:46:19 +1000 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: http://www.LandRover.com/

(I haven't noticed this on the list - be maybe due to the hiatus)

worth a look, be patient

Lloyd

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:30:15 -0500
Subject: re: tropical roof vents

Forward vs. rearward facing vents...

I have a factory fitted tropical roof (sunsheld, vents, alpine windows, etc) 
on my 88. If you look at the drawings on either of the last two RN catalogs 
(both 88 SWs) you can see that there is *no way* rain water could reach the 
vents in any quantity.  (well, I guess driving in a monsoon all day might see 
some drips, but I imagine you'd never notice over all the other leaks you'd 
be swimming in...).

I also find that in the summer I get great airflow while moving (more 
important to create a wind chill effect to assist in drying sweat as opposed 
to removing warm air from the cabin).  All except my right leg which gets 
nice and toasty from the exhaust manifold.

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:37:24 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Brake line paths & tub weight

You wrote: 
>Lastly, I'm going to be moving my tub on saturday. I've got the tub, seatbox, 
>and running boards all together as a unit. Can four reasonably average guys 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>heavier then the safari roof, but its hard to tell. Anyone with experience?
>Tim

You should be fine with this.  I've moved a 5 door body minus seat box and floor 
panels (and doors of course :) ) with 2 people.  4 should be quite adequate.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:45:20 -0700
From: vandecar@nwlink.com (Van Decar)
Subject: Moving to UK Questions

I will be moving to the Cambridge area in September and would like to bring
along my NAS 94' D90.  Good idea?
What are the UK requirements for registrations, e.g. the running light are
in the bumper. etc...

Couple of non-LR questions:
   Where and what should I look for in a flat.  I am single, a pilot in the
USAF and lke Oz beer.  

   Are garages usually availble with flats?

   50 hertz 220 volts?

Thanks.

Chris Van Decar
94' D90 Slo-Mo VII
vandecar@nwlink.com
Warm regards,

Ted         

vandecar@nwlink.com
Bellevue, Washington

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:39:34 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: '59 Series II for sale

At 11:26 AM 4/10/96 +0000, you wrote:
>I have just got my home page running and it has all the details and 
>pictures of my '59 Series II that I am selling. The address is 
>http://www.mho.net/tmindt/

 Ted,

 Your Web page comes in great, really fast!  However, none of the
 pictures show up.  I looked at your html file and do not recognize the
 command <img src="file://localhost/c:/lr_pics/images/lr004.jpg"> as a
 proper reference to the location of the JPG's.

 Cheers,

                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:42:39 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Galvanic action

You wrote: 

snip
>I've seen occasional references here to the fact that a positive ground 
>system seems to be less susceptable to electrolysis, 

snip
>  Any comments?
>Ron Franklin

I think it's true that if you don't need the - ground for modern electronics that 
+ ground will be less prone to rust.

The reason for this seems rather simple.  With a + ground (e.g., frame) electrons 
will tend to be attracted to the iron counteracting the process of oxidation 
(rust) (which is a loss of electrons).  I've not checked the half cell reaction 
free energies, but (based on thermite energy) I'll wager that the + ground would 
also tend to counteract the interaction between iron and aluminium (or more 
accuratly rust and corundum).

Cheers,

Jeremy 

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 11:41:55 +0200
From: Frank Bokhorst <bokkie@uctvms.uct.ac.za>
Subject: Rust control & Polarity?

I joined this list when I saw the tail end of a discussion 
about changing the battery earth polarity, and also about rust 
control, but didn't get the whole thread.  So fogive me if this 
was already explained: Is there any evidence of a relation 
between earth polarity and corrosion, especially given the bi-
metal contact between alu and steel in the LR?  If the whole
question has already been thrashed out, please could someone
post me a summary of the main points?

Frank Bokhorst       personal e-mail: bokkie@psipsy.uct.ac.za
Psychology
University of Cape Town

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From: 73363.427@CompuServe.COM
Date: 11 Apr 96 17:07:31 EDT
Subject: Leak Down Testing

A few months ago someone posted a description of how to do a leak down test. I
could have sworn I saved it, but can't find it anywhere (the bigger hard drives
get, the easier it is to loose something). Could someone please refresh my
memory, and also should a compression test be done "dry" or with oil in the
cylinder?

Thanks in advance

  
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    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
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   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
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   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
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Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 11-Apr-1996

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 14:54:15 -0700
From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden)
Subject: Re: LRNA Screensaver

Just downloaded screensaver from LandRover home page and ...  what a
disappointment.  I was HOPING for a Series doing farmwork in the English
countryside, or a Disco in door-deep mud in Central American jungles, or a
Defender climbing after a mountain goat at high altitude, even a Rangey on
a snow-covered Alpine ski-resort road, but instead ... the Land Rover logo
fading out and reappearing (not even an animation).  Bet several people on
the list could do a better screen saver than that (any takers? I'd pay for
a shareware screensaver). But at least LRNA HAS a website :-)
   
   _________  |              Gary Madden                    408-62-7603    
                                                              
  |     | \ \ |              Apple Computer                 maddeng@apple.com
 #|_____|__\]\|____          One Infinite Loop, MS: 76-8CD
 #|"___ |-   | ___ |         Cupertino, Ca. 95014
 [|/ - \|____|/ - \|]
   ( o ) ---- ( o )      1994 Defender 90 (Green, #361)

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:08:45 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Camel Trophy Updates

April 9 -  This might have been called the day of the "accidental tourist" - 
it was rather a bad day all around.  Early in the day, the US team was 
delayed over an hour draining a tank of bad fuel.  Apparently the last ones 
to fill up out of a drum of diesel, they balanced the vehicle on two wheels 
using a pair of winches.  (Don't these things have drain plugs?!?)

Later, participating journalist Ken Freund of Moorpark, CA was taking photos 
of the convoy crossing a washed-out section of track, when he stepped 
backwards and fell off the edge.  Falling about 20 feet, the sustained a 
compound fracture of his nose (ouch!) and was airlisted out to Balikpapan.  
Later, he was flown to Singapore for surgery.

The US team must have been pretty upset by this, because they promptly got 
lost.  Failing to follow proper convoy procedures and reading the GPS 
incorrectly, they drove 25 km out of their way before finding the group 
again.  They had stopped at a particularly clean stream to bathe and do some 
laundry.

Later in the afternoon, while the convoy was parked on a particularly narrow 
section of the track, two young motorcyclists came speeding around a curve 
and crashed head-on into the parked Greek vehicle.  Though none of the Camel 
Trophy team was injured, the locals sustained multiple broken bones each and 
were transported to a hospital.

This is probably going to be my last Camel update (unless I hear otherwise 
from the teeming masses), as Rover's web page with Camel Trophy info is up 
and running (albeit, at a snail's pace).  Also, I'll be away for two days as 
I'm off *TO PICK UP A NEW DISCO!* :-) YAHOO!  Not looking forward to those 
payments though. :-(   Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: RE: OZland Question
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 08:09:00 EDT

Hi there

You are correct, Babe was filmed in the Southern Highlands of NSW.  I 
haven't seen the film so I can't comment on the truck, but we do drive on 
the left hand side of the road.

However, anyone who has travelled any distance in the outback (this does not 
include the Southern Highlands of NSW) will have experienced driving on the 
left/right/middle and either side of the road or track - the likely hood of 
meeting another vehicle is pretty slim.  This is due to the surface of these 
tracks, (some of which in very remote areas are lucky to see any maintenance 
in 10 years or more) or tracks on large properties that never have any 
maintenance.

After rain the "surveyed" tracks are often impassable so people tend to 
drive off to either side of the track where the ground may be a little 
firmer, assuming you don't actually have to stop ('cos you probably wont get 
moving again in a hurry - aka 6 slab bog!).  The end result is you have a 
track that can be several hundred yards wide at some points as everyone 
tries to avoid the stickiest and boggiest (SP!!) parts of them.

It's also not uncommon when dry and dusty to overtake road trains on the 
"wrong side".  Because of fineness and density of the dust thrown up by 
these monsters you usually can't see much at all (read as ZERO feet), but if 
the driver spots you he will move over to the wrong side of the track to 
allow you to pass on the windward side - ie dust free side!  Very handy when 
these things can have three or four trailers on them.  Approaching them head 
on is a different story, they wont stop, or certainly can't stop in hurry. 
 You just have to get well clear of the track and let them go past, wait for 
the dust to settle and then move on.  You should also be mindful they are 
often in convoy.

To summarize, on the bitumen (tar roads) we drive on the left, on the dirt 
the prevailing conditions dictate what part you drive on!!

Simon Barclay
Sydney Australia

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:03:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Updates

you coming up this way to see Sandy Keeler by any chance???
Rgds
Steve

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:14:46 -0400
Subject: MOD Tools Arrived, Repost

The MOD tools I order Sat. arrived today. They appear to be as advertised.
The metal parts show no wear or rust, bu the pick handle is almost devoid of
paint, wereas the shovel has multiple coats of NATO camo paint. So they do
need a some refinishing for display. They appear to be vehicle take-offs,
hence different colors of camo back to front.(Take that off an' PAINT it
right, squadie!) The Pick head is marked " _ Parkes..1986", the pick handle
has a "Gripfast" sleeve on the top, the shovel has "Caldwell Made in England"
plus other markings covered with paint. They are definitely worth the money (
in my opinion) and are completely usable. Bit o'paint, make good. Cheers.
Andy Blackley On the down side: the SAS hat I also ordered was to small.
In case someone missed it, these tools are in the US cavalry catalog # j148,
Item # j15948. Cost $27.95 Call 1-800-777-7732. I am repsting this because it
was bounced back and I promised some people Id post the info.

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: steering box
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:28:33 +0930 (CST)

philippe asks: > Because of some oil-loss on the steering box I have to
top it up. How much > oil does it need ?  > '81 Lightweight (ffr) *
Assuming that this is just a standard steering box (ie non power or some
other perversion :-), just remove the fill plug and fill with your
favourite gear oil...  when no more fits in, thats enough.  If the box has
been badly neglected you may need to repeat this process as the gunk may
prevent it filling completely the first time. 

cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: Xavier541@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 21:12:13 -0400
Subject: Spare Tire

I recently bought a '73 SIII that has an internal spare mount.  The bonnet
has a mounting plate, locking pin, and two securing cams with bolt.  I have
tried every configuration I thought possible but connot see how the tire
secures on.Any information would be helpful.   

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 18:55:06 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: steering box

At 11:21 AM 4/11/96 +0200, philippe wrote:
>Hi all,
>Because of some oil-loss on the steering box I have to top it up. How much
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Because of some oil-loss on the steering box I have to top it up. How much
>oil does it need ?

Sorry I cann't resist ths:

You need enough oil to fill it.

When the oil level is at the lip of the opening you have enough.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:29:40 -0400
Subject: Re: MISC.

Hello, All LROs:

1- *Official* confirmation and some details from LRNA today on 1997 MY 
vehicles - notably D90SW and ragtop and Disco XD.
	D90SW available commencing in November. LRMW already has three orders 
for same. It and all D90s avail. for 1997 will feature auto-only powertrain 
w/4.0L OBD2 lump. Revised color offerings (don't know what at this point, 
though). SW w/redesigned *soft* center console w/locking compartment and drink 
holders. New cloth upholstery. Price est. (not confirmed) is 34,000 plus 
inland transp. which means 34625 based on current. Ragtop version for spring 
`97 delivery. Expect ragtop price around 32,000 plus transp. Will feature same 
mechanicals and *redesigned* top with *improved sealing.* Hmmm. Hopefully this 
means doors - probably has some hard inserts so that the door has something to 
press against! A few other changes were listed but I forgot to bring flyer 
home with me. One thing is for sure - the 90's will be snapped up fast (no 
sales flames - puhleez!) based on what's going on now for used D90s. Lotsa 
pent up demand. I've been seeing 94 models with Tickford tops going for high 
20's and 95 models for what they were new! Auto-only `97s will ensure that 
5-spd 94/95's will retain high resale value (good news for current owners). 

2- Discovery XD - AA Yellow. Matte black hood (bonnet) insert(!). Special 
badging and wheel trim. Wraparound bull bar w/LR driving lights. Skid plate. 
Waterproof seat covers and rubber mats. Full length roof rack. What we have 
here is basically a Camel Trophy Disco in AA Yellow and a 4.0L V8! Guess what? 
Right. ONLY 250 of them to be built to NAS spec. Yep. 250. Another *limited 
edition*. Boy, LR is good at that, aren't they? So, yes (no sales flames, 
puhleez -refrain-) better get on the inevitable order list if you're 
interested...

3- GOOD NEWS!!! Congrats LRNA for sticking to your guns! And congrats to all 
the owners out there who deep down knew all along that DISCO is alone in its 
class. Another official release from LRNA to dealers today states:

	In the June issue (at least I think it's June) of CONSUMER REPORTS, a 
*RETRACTION* will be printed in the LETTERS section concerning the bogus test 
reports recently published on Discovery!! As I have been explaining to 
potential owners, CR is guilty of violating their own testing standards as to 
what actually constitutes a viable sample size. By their own admission, they 
did NOT have enough to qualify so they simply lumped two years' 94/95 together 
to produce totally skewed results! And now, they get to choke on it!!! I love 
it! Proves once again, when you're right, you don't have to result to smoke 
and mirrors - just be up front and honest, produce a good product, and anyone 
with an ounce of objectivity will do right by you... I think that once again 
this proves that there is some real politicking going on between LRNA and 
someone at CR... Shame on CR! And again, thanks to LRNA for hanging tough - it 
can only benefit current owners in the long run as well as far as resale 
values...

4- BSROA beach drive this Saturday at Sandy Neck on Cape Cod. Anyone 
interested can contact Club line at 617-545-4743. Plan is to recon at rest 
area on Rte. 3 South just past exit ten between 1100 and 1130. Sand kit must 
be present. Those who went last fall still will be able to squeeze this drive 
in without buying a new permit. After drive plan to hit local pub for lunch 
and a pint or two... 

cheers
Jim

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A lightweight
`68 2B 110 F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:10:53 +0400
From: colleran@headwaters.com (Bryan Colleran)
Subject: Re: I'm going Defender shopping...

All this business about interchangeable keys reminds me of my days (late
'70's) driving intercity busses -- the big MCI greyhound-type "coaches" as
the drivers call(ed) them.  They had no ignition (or door keys, for that
matter) at all -- just hop in, switch on, and go. I wonder if they're still
the same.

BTW, most Vincent motorcycles, which are among the most valuable
'collector' bikes, don't have ignition keys either (except for 'enlosed'
Series D models). Sparks came from a magneto, so the charging system was
not involved in making the engine go at all. Since the magneto was Lucas
and the charging and lighting system Miller, this may have been a clever
(?) ploy on the manufacturers' part to outwit the "prince of darkness" --
rather like switching a Series Rover to a Delco alternator. See, there is a
LR connection here after all.

Cheerio!

Bryan Colleran
On a hill near Meaford, Ontario, Canada

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:10:45 +0000
Subject: Re: Moving to UK Questions

Quoting Van Decar, from 11 Apr 96

> I will be moving to the Cambridge area in September and would like to
> bring along my NAS 94' D90.  Good idea? What are the UK requirements for
> registrations, e.g. the running light are in the bumper. etc...
Expensive to run (unleaded is 50 to 60 pence per litre, depending on the 
area) and a possible target for car crime (it's an unusual vehicle)

Reg light must be adiquately lit, and the lights must come on with the 
side-lights. Rear indicators are usually seperate, and yellow.

There is a big Buick 4x4 cruiser that floats around Edinburgh, so I guess 
an NAS '90 would be no problem...

> Couple of non-LR questions:
>    Where and what should I look for in a flat.  I am single, a pilot in
>    the USAF and lke Oz beer.  
*Not* a bed-sit, or a studio-flat.
Bedroom, livingroom, kitchen, maybe another room?  Look at several before 
you put down any money - spend a week in B&B looking. It's better to be 
out of pocket in the short term that saddled with a dump for 6 months 
minimum.

>    Are garages usually availble with flats?
>    Where and what should I look for in a flat.  I am single, a pilot in
Not usually, though you can rent garages seperately.

>    50 hertz 220 volts?
Yup.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: cyclon filter diy?
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:46:27 +0200 (METDST)

Hi fellow rovers,
some of you might have read this in rec.autos.4x4 but I didn't get
much response there and since the Majors routing to Germany now
seems to work again I'll post it here again.

I'm planning to give my Land Rover 110 a snorkel and along with this
a cyclon air filter. The only problem is that these dammned filters are
awfully expensive (~270DM = 180US$). Though, I thought of making one
myselve.
Is there anyone out there who has done this already and can give my
some tips?
I thought of making one of the typ Lyndi (Austrian comp.) bolts on their
Dicovery based camping mobile. It looks like this one will release the
dirt automatically when engine speed drops for a moment.

        ________
       /        \
      /          \
     /            \
    /              \
   |    |      |    |
   |====|      |====|
        |      | ^
        |      | air
           |
           V
          air

Thanks for any help
Franz                                                         
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                 tbr1102@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]           Brumml  exmil. 1989 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: cyclon filter diy?
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:05:08 +0930 (CST)

Franz writes:
> I'm planning to give my Land Rover 110 a snorkel and along with this
> a cyclon air filter. The only problem is that these dammned filters are
> awfully expensive (~270DM = 180US$).

 >         ________             * I assume from this diagram that you mean
 >        /        \             pre-cleaners, for $180US I'd want one of
 >       /          \            those super dooper ones with a turbine
 >      /            \           that sort of zone centrifuge the air, not
 >     /              \          just a standard passive type.
 >    |    |      |    |
 >    |    |      |    |         I have a 3" inlet (180cfm) donaldson
      |====|      |====|         pre-cleaner which I use off road.
 >         |      | ^            These are commonly fitted to tractors
 >         |      | air          over here and I got mine s/h from a
 >            |                  "tractor-wrecker" many years ago for
 >            V                  something like $40 (I'm really not sure)
 >           air                 Ok so i have to manually clean the bowl.
                                 For the amount of time I use it no big deal.
For everyday driving (read predominantly non dirt) I use a 3" ram head, 
cost ~$ 50 AUD ISTR.

Whilst not answering your question I hope it is of some help...

cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: Re: cyclon filter diy?
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 11:48:42 +0200 (METDST)

Daryl writes:

   * I assume from this diagram that you mean
    pre-cleaners, for $180US I'd want one of
    those super dooper ones with a turbine
    that sort of zone centrifuge the air, not
    just a standard passive type.

nope. Those standard types cost $180US here!
I thougt of making one of these.

Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                 tbr1102@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]           Brumml  exmil. 1989 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: 12 Apr 96 06:39:14 EDT
From: Richard Brownlee <101360.3273@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Delco alternators

On 10th April J Coulter asked about Alan Richer's article on switching over to a
Delco alternator.  This appeared on 25/1/96.  I have it on file somewhere - let
me know if you can't find it.

For info on changing to -ve earth, see Mike Loiodice's posting on 28-1-96, with
corrections by Richard Zeigler on 30 -1-96.

There is an advantage in positive earth for anti corrosion reasons, but it is a
long time since I read the article that convinced me so don't ask why! The
hassle in fitting accessories  probably outweighs the advantages anyway.

Best wishes and happy trails to all

Richard Brownlee

Surrey, UK

77 Range Rover (Yes I know it's not a Series, but it's a Land Rover so who gives
a monkeys)

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