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From: Dr Peter Ramsay <RAMSAYP@Geology.und.ac.za>
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:52:24 GMT+2
Subject: Shocks for Series Landy

Someone in Cape Town wanted to know which shocks he should fit to his 
SWB.  I can highly recommend the Australian IronMan nitro-charged 
shocks.  These come with a 2 year guarentee and give an excellent 
ride both onroad and offroad.  They are available through County 4x4 
in Durban and my set for a 110 cost R990,00.  My wife even commented 
on the new superb ride (that's an impartial observer)!

**********************************************************************
Dr Peter J Ramsay
Marine Geoscience Unit
P O Box 18091
Dalbridge, 4014
Durban
South Africa
Tel (+2731) 811260
Fax (+2731) 813388
**********************************************************************

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From: pbb@sys.uea.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:57:22 +0100 (GMT)
Subject: Ticking noise...

Hi,

About 15 years ago my Father had a LandRover for his work and ever since 
then I wanted one. Last November saw that dream come true. However, as an 
impoverished student I've become even more impoverished. I'm keen, but 
not experienced, about fixing my SIII.

I've a little problem (well actually a lot of big problems but...) whenever
I put my foot on the accelerator pedal a ticking noise appears near to 
the gearbox (I think). The ticking rate increases the further I press on 
the pedal. It doesn't seem to be connected to the gearbox as if I'm in 
4th I don't hear the noise when the pedal is up, as in the other gears.

Can anyone help at all? Also, where is the nearest club near to Norwich 
(U.K)? I think there are a couple around Suffolk?

Thanks.

Peter
GSTQ.

---------------------------------------------------------
Peter Brophy		    http://www.sys.uea.ac.uk/~pbb
CGP, SYS		    (44) 01603-592035
Univeristy of East Anglia
Norwich
U.K

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 07:52:58 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Strange bolts

Sandy mounts his Jack...

>>That's the *third* spare tire mounting point.  If all the bits (like the 
cross brace) are there, it makes a dandy fixing point for the high lift.  
Crossways, a high lift about fills up the bed.  Glue bits of neoprene where 
the jack would rest on both sides/ends, a secure the bolt *straight down* as 
opposed to how it's supposed to secure a tire. ...snip...

I've done one (sort of) better. 

A few inches below the bolt for the tire, I've attached a piece of 1/2" 
all-thread perpendicular through the center bracket. This protrudes about 3-4" 
and fits neatly through one of the holes in the High-lift's post, when the jack 
is laid across the  rear bed like Sandy said. The whole lot is cushioned by a 
skateboard wheel that I cut in half with a hacksaw, one half on either side of 
the jack. Then it can all be secured with a large wing nut and washer, or in my 
case, two hex nuts. I can still mount the spare tire, and though it doesn't 
quite fit perfectly it is close enough for sure. (The bottom of the tire ends up
kicked out a little bit) DO NOT use the wheels off of your young ones' 
skateboards, wait till they wear out a set and use the old ones...I used one 
from my old boarding days. For those who don't have the spare tire mount in the 
back, a new one from Rovers North is only...$155.72. Try to find a used one, 
kids.

Dave "I can still 'hang ten'" B.

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:10:46 -0700
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Land Rovers and the rest

Ian,

There are a couple of references in your note I don't understand.  Who is
Julian Clary, and in your "Quote of 1996," what is the A.L.S.?

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California

At 09:50 10.04.96 +0000, Mr Ian Stuart wrote:
>This is taken (without permission) from an article published in the Times 
>newspaper on Saturday 2nd March, 1996. The article was written by Kevin 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 61 lines)]
>Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
> <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>
>Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:53:45 -0600
From: gerdes@garmin.com (T. Gerdes)
Subject: Turbocharged Heater

The heater blower intake on my Series III Rover is mounted on the right
fender. If the vehicle is stopped, there is adequate air flow through the
heater system, but at 65 MPH the volume of air drops to almost nothing. This
decrease in heater air flow is attributed to the Bernoulli Effect.  The
volume of air flowing by the heater intake creates a vacuum on the system,
limiting the flow of air through the heater.

Last Fall, I went to the hardware store and purchased a plastic dryer vent
(US $3.00), removed the inside flap, drilled three holes and replaced the
Rover heater intake screen with the dryer vent.  It is mounted on the right
fender with the vent scoop pointed forward.  The heater now has adequate air
flow at all road speeds.

In the spirit of  Rover modifications this meets the following criteria:
	1.  It is simple
	2.  It is functional
	3.  It further reduces the aerodynamic drag on the vehicle.
	4.  It is not pretty.
	5.  It enables one to have the traditional Rover "Hot Lower Right Leg"
at all speeds.

This modification has been field tested for six months and works well.

Terry

72 Series III
66 Series II (In progress)

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:53:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Greasy Tramps

In a message dated 96-04-09 21:36:54 EDT, you write:

>and frequently you 
>will look like a greasy "person who got dressed up to go to a show but 
>never made it".  

I like this one ALOT.

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 07:26:32 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Series vehicles over 40MPH

>Mike wondered if series vehicles could go over 40.

I have a 109 2-1/4L petrol

It also has a tach, My fourth gear highway crusing is usually done around
3500 RPM.  With 265/70 16 tyres that means a regular crusing speed of about
57-58 MPH.

The car could go faster but the engine seems happy there and  I feel
uncomfortable about crusing at my shift point, about 4000 RPM.  If I had an
overdrive the car could and would cruse faster.

"Land ^Rover 2-1/4 L petrol, 0 to 60 same day*

* Provided no major hills or headwinds are encountered"

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 10:25:13 EDT
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Re: I'm going Defender shopping...

> but now I want to know how many doors MY key will open? Maybe in an
> effort to save $$$ LR only made 10 - 20 different keys and scattered them
> around the country...

No joke, I know it's done with HD motorcycles. A few years ago 2 friends
and I went shopping together for some new scoots. We figured we could get a 
better deal if we bought 3 bikes together. Anyway, 2 of us bought the
exact same bike. The VIN numbers were the same except for the last 2
digits. Mine ending in 32, my friends 28. Our ignition keys are exactly
the same.

Rob

=============================================================================
  _________  |        Robert D. Leggiero                    rdl@NomuraNY.Com
 |     | \ \ |        Nomura Securities International       (212) 667-1958
#|_____|__\]\|____    Two World Financial Center, 20th Fl.
#|"___ |-   | ___ |   New York, N.Y.  10281-1198
[|/ - \|____|/ - \|]
  ( o ) ---- ( o )    1994 Defender 90 (AA Yellow, #1894)
=============================================================================
 

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 10:28:20 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Turbocharged Heater

Terry lays down the law...

>>In the spirit of  Rover modifications this meets the following criteria:
 1.  It is simple
 2.  It is functional
 3.  It further reduces the aerodynamic drag on the vehicle.
 4.  It is not pretty.
 5.  It enables one to have the traditional Rover "Hot Lower Right Leg"
at all speeds.

Hmmm...

How does a scoop pointing forward REDUCE the aerodynamic drag?. I would guess 
that it increased the drag. Is it at least painted to match the body color? Or 
is it galvanised? I think one down by the footwell on the drivers side would be 
nice in the summer. 

Dave "How do the squirrels like it?" B.

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 15:33:08 +0000
Subject: Re: Land Rovers and the rest

Quoting John C. White, III, from 10 Apr 96

> There are a couple of references in your note I don't understand.  Who is
> Julian Clary, and in your "Quote of 1996," what is the A.L.S.?
Julian Clary is a (very) camp comedian. Several years ago, his stage name 
was, if I remeber correctly, "The Joan Crawford Fan Club" -- until she 
asked him to stop using her name. Basically, he minces around stage in 
semi-bondage gear and monologues with as much inuendo as possible.

He would class himself as a _stand up_ comic (note the empesis)

ALS is Auld Lang Syne. The quote comes from a program that took an 
irreverant look at the song and investigated who actually wrote it, what 
it means and how much of the song is actually know.
[BTW, there are actually *6* verses to the song, but most people only
know the first]

In one of the scetches, there were a couple of young socio-phylosiphers
(sp?) who where discussing the social importance of the song and, in a 
show of one-up-man-ship, they traded big words, the best being 
"Scottishisityness"

Every time I read that word, I smile - it's so.... aptly inept!

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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From: "Joshua Tanner Nevill" <jtnevill@eos.ncsu.edu>
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:41:45 -0400
Subject: Re: "The Waving Thing"

On Apr 9,  6:53pm, Steven  L. Meier wrote:
> Subject: "The Waving Thing"
> Here in Santa Fe . NM none of the Range Rover or Discovery owners do it and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> only one of the many Defender owners do it (they should at least have a clue
> about what they are seeing, that is if they have looked at their own vehicle.
Perhaps it's a matter of education . . . I don't think many (any) of the
> "yuppie plushmobile" owners know a thing about the history of Land Rovers or
> what the origins of their vehicles might be, unless they are Series owner
> wanna-bes.

Watch the stereotype there, buddy.  Not all Range Rover owners are yuppies, and
my '87 Range Rover sure as heck ain't no "plushmobile."  I bought it for less
than $3500, and I still have some left over grease in my fingernails from
fixing it up.  Granted, I am a Series owner wanna-be, but there may be a few
other plushmobile owners that know a real truck when they see one.
By the way, I wave ;)
					Tanner

-- 
Joshua Tanner Nevill

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:49:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: I'm going Defender shopping...

> > but now I want to know how many doors MY key will open? Maybe in an
> > effort to save $$$ LR only made 10 - 20 different keys and scattered them
> > around the country...

	There were 7 different keys for the Austin Mini...

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:22:43 -0700
From: Russ Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: LandRover on the Web.

It might be old news, but LRNA is on the web
http://www.LandRover.com

Russ
Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:11:06 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: LandRover on the Web.

At 11:22 AM 4/10/96 -0700, Russ Burns wrote:
>It might be old news, but LRNA is on the web
>http://www.LandRover.com

 Previously Land Rover had a page with employment opportunities.  Now they
 are back with a graphically super-cool LR vehicle page... that is, if you
 can get past the opening where the background color obscures the writing %)

 "Noteworthy features include: downloadable Land Rover Quicktime VR movies,
 a downloadable Land Rover screensaver, daily updates from the 1996 Camel
 Trophy, and a vehicle color selector."

 Cheers,

                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Landrover Web Site
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 16:08:00 DST

I have just recieved word from Land Rover Canada that the official website 
www.landrover.com goes on line today
Haven't had time to check it out yet.

Trevor Easton 15.55 EDST

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:19:48 -0700
Subject: Re: I'm going Defender shopping...

On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca> wrote:

>> > but now I want to know how many doors MY key will open? Maybe in an
>> > effort to save $$$ LR only made 10 - 20 different keys and scattered them
>> > around the country...
>	There were 7 different keys for the Austin Mini...

How about this....when I used to work at the Airport (small, general aviation 
FBO) many aircraft owners would forget their keys.  The standard remedy was to 
pull out a box of old aircraft keys and keep trying until one fit.  it usually 
only took a few tries before a door and ignition key was found!!  It didn't 
matter about make, model, or even cost....all the keys are largely the 
same....built with enough slop so they fit anything.

The other day, on a whim, I took the key to a C 152 (worth about $15k)and tried 
it on the brand new Beech Bonanza (List @ $425k)....it worked!!!!

Anybody want to go flying??????

Regards,
Eric

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:31:26 -0700
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (Sandy Cooper)
Subject: undeliverables

we can`t even receive mail anymore,  too many strange undeliverable messages
comming in and clogging up the works.

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Subject: Re: Model Year Designations (was Brake line paths) 
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:27:14 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

David Cockey wrote:

> My understanding is that after the SIIA was introduced in Sept '61, LR
> dropped model year designations and went by suffix letter, A through J? for
> SIIA's. 

	Upto the SII, a year character existed in the serial number to 
identify which year a Rover was built in.  For the SIIA, they decided that 
they didn't want to wait until september to make changes, so the redid the
serial numbering system, and chassis numbers got a suffix.  Hence the Series
SIIA.  So we really should have a SIIB, SIIC,... but after the SIIA, no one
called them anything different than a SIIA.  (The exception being the SIIB
Forward Control).  Axles, Engines, Transmissions, etc also got suffixes.

> A similar scheme was used for SIII through '79. The suffix letters
> indicated changes in specifications, usually mostly minor.

	Although for most of the SIIIs in the US Federal Law mandated that
the vehicle have it's month and date of manufacture stamped  on a plaque that
is located on the left side door frame.  (One exists on my March 1972 SIII, I
dunno about earlier models.)

> Some dealers would just
> update the model year of their inventory in the Fall for vehicles without
> manuf. model year.

	I would think that such practices would be difficult since the emissions
laws were changing almost yearly in the early 70s.

Ben 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:45:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: CB antenna location for a Range Rover

I use a through the glass antenna on the windshield, and unscrew it when 
not in use. Not necessarily an optimal solution but good for going 
through car washes!

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

On 9 Apr 1996 debrown@srp.gov wrote:

> FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
>        Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
> | _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}
> "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:15:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: "The Waving Thing"

On 9 Apr 1996, Steven L. Meier wrote:

> Perhaps it's a matter of education . . . I don't think many (any) of the 
> "yuppie plushmobile" owners know a thing about the history of Land Rovers or 
> what the origins of their vehicles might be, unless they are Series owner 
> wanna-bes.  For that matter, they probably don't care.  

Hold on (there's that plushmobile word again) -- some of them do, for
example everyone on these lists. 

> As Land Rover (BMW) is not so keen about the heritage either (if all the 
> Series cars left the face of the planet they would be delighted) I don't think
> we can expect them to initiate an education program for buyers through the 
> dealerships.

I have no connection with Land Rover, but anyone who reads a Range Rover 
brochure at the dealership sees the Series heritage proudly displayed, 
and the advertising folks make the most of it.

> The bottom line . . . Series Owners know who they are and might as well give 
> up and suffer the "indignity?" of non-recognition in peace. 
> we can expect them to initiate an education program for buyers through the 
> dealerships.

In my experience all Land Rover/Range Rover/Discovery folks are equally 
guilty; nobody is singled out!

Keep on waving anyway

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:25:05 +0200
From: Paul Lande <plande@telepost.no>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>Unsubscribe lro-digest

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:43:43 -0400
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: LRNA Screensaver

Surfed over to www.LandRover.com and was pleasantly surprised to see that
the screensaver is available for the Macintosh with the Windows version
"coming soon."  (Further proof that Land Rover is an enlightened company?)
I wasted no time in downloading it and making it my selected AfterDark
module.  While I wish it featured some vehicles rather than just the L-R
logo fading in and out at various spots on the screen, it still beats the
flying toasters.  The price was right too...

And now I'm going to stop hitting keys for awhile.

RoverOn!

JAB

==                                                                 ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg         Purple Shark Media             Rowayton, CT
                        jeff@purpleshark.com
                                *****
Look what happens when you love someone, and they don't love you.
                                       --Warren Zevon, The Heartache
==                                                                 ==

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:46:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: I cringe while asking, but...

	Anyone know where it is possible to source the adapter plate 
	for the LR to Chevy 305/350/3.8lV6 (rearwheel drive)/4.3lV6.
	A chap here wants to make a breakdown truck out of a 109
	and wants a more powerful engine.

	Thx,

	

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:29:32 -0400
Subject: MOD Tools Arrived

The MOD tools I order Sat. arrived today. They appear to be as advertised.
The metal parts show no wear or rust, bu the pick handle is almost devoid of
paint, wereas the shovel has multiple coats of NATO camo paint. So they do
need a some refinishing for display. They appear to be vehicle take-offs,
hence different colors of camo back to front.(Take that off an' PAINT it
right, squadie!) The Pick head is marked " _ Parkes..1986", the pick handle
has a "Griptite" sleeve on the top, the shovel has "Caldwell Made in England"
plus other markings covered with paint. They are definitely worth the money (
in my opinion) and are completely usable. Bit o'paint, make good. Cheers.
Andy Blackley On the down side: the SAS hat I also ordered was to small.

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:13:05 -0400
Subject: Tropical roof vents

     I have noticed that the roof vents on My lla are a little rusty, and I
have noticed stained/rust colored headlinings on some other L-R's and was
wondering about the following..
    What is the reason behind the tropical roof vents facing foreward when
open allowing air to be forced into the pass compartment?..... Anyone found a
product which will remove these stains from the headlining?
     wouldn't this design allow water to enter the vents during a rainstorm
while the vehicle is in motion or, is there some sort of a piece between the
sunscreen and the roof which sits in front of the open vent to prevent the
ingress of water, etc..?
     I would think the vents should be mounted the other way allowing for a
venturi effect allowing hot air sucked out rather than be forced in..would
most likely be easier on the passengers as well..
     any thoughts? anyone reversed the vents?

Rgds
Steve Bradke  72 S lll 88
                     68 S lla 88

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:52:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: brian rainbolt <brainbol@fix.net>
Subject: A bad message

Hey, what is up on your end??? We received the message below, over and over 
and over. It took over one hour to down load this lemon. It would be nice not 
to repeat this agian! We also locked up our e-mail at the local bbs board. 
Gladly they are not mad at, us at this time.
............................................................................
.............
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 04:08:23 -0700

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 14:03:46 -0600
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: New/Used Diffs for sale

Greetings, 

I've just got word of availability in the US of several new and used diffs
for Series III vehicles (and are VERY competitvely priced!).  These have
4.70:1 gears in them, and can be adapted for use in NAS D90's.  Also
avaliable are new and used 4.70:1 ring and pinon sets, as well as new
complete housings.  If anyone is interested in pricing/shipping ect. drop me
a note, or call me directly at (505)665-1729 days or (505)983-3574 eves.  I
know I'm gettin a set!
Happy Trails!

Doug Marbourg, 94' NAS D90 #1123 Santa Fe, NM
"Soon to take the hard top off"
marbourg@lanl.gov

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:10:13 -0600
From: gerdes@garmin.com (T. Gerdes)
Subject: Re: Turbocharged Heater

>Terry lays down the law...
> 3.  It further reduces the aerodynamic drag on the vehicle.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>that it increased the drag. Is it at least painted to match the body color? Or 
>is it galvanised? I think one down by the footwell on the drivers side
would be 
>nice in the summer. 
>Dave "How do the squirrels like it?" B.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]

>nice in the summer. 
>Dave "How do the squirrels like it?" B.

Woops! Make that it increases the aerodynamic drag on the vehicle.

Its make of white plastic.  Really stands out against the faded blue paint
on the front fender.  Also makes it easier to feed the squirrels.

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:31:45 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Rover's web page

Well, it works...sort of.  Don't know if it's sooooo blooooddyyy slooooow 
because of traffic or what.  Took forever to download even the opening logo. 
It did say that it "was designed to run on NetScape Navigator 2.0"  ...And 
you'll need at least 8MB of RAM to even load NetScape.  Cheers.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 18:03:22 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Camel Trophy update

April 7 - Easrer Sunday was a busy day, though no one moved far.  The day 
was spent getting the remaining 31 vehicles across the bride bypass to catch 
up to the others at the ferry point at Muara Ja'an.  There, a local barge 
that could hold three vehicles was hired to augment pontoon boats that can 
carry two.

April 8 - After moving only 6 km in two days, the 107 km traveled on Monday 
was made all that much longer by the treacherous red clay tracks.  But the 
convoy is almost back on schedule.  By 5:30, the convoy assembled on the 
bank at Sungai Kapuas to beging ferrying  vehicles across to the other side 
where all would camp for the night.

Rover's web site is supposedly up and running now...I haven't checked it out 
but will do so as soon as I log off the mail server.  It's:

                http://www.LandRover.com

Reuters is making video feeds available for all who can snatch them off the 
satelites.  Dates, times and transponder info are as follows:

April 10, 12:30-12:45 PM EDT, Telstar 402R Channel 20

April 12, same time, same channel

April 15, same again

April 16, 12:30-12:45 PM EDT, Galaxy 4, Channel 5

April 18, 12:30-12:45 PM EDT, Telstar 402R, Channel 20

April 20, 12:30-12:45 PM EDT, Galaxy 4, Channel 7

April 22, 12:30-12:45 PM EDT, Telstar 402R, Channel 20

"...Beam me up, Scotty."
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 18:19:13 UT
From: "Stephen Miller" <BOMILCAR@msn.com>
Subject: LRO in Canada

In the last few day I recall reading that LRO has set up shop in Canada.  I 
can not seem to find a copy of the message - must have hit the wonderful 
delete key.

Any one remember the contact information

Take care,

Steve
73 Series III
88 RR

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:54:43 -0400
Subject: Tropical Roof Vents

     I have noticed that the roof vents on my lla are a little rusty and I
have also noticed other L-R's with rust-colored stains  on the headliner
around the vents. I was wondering...
     What is the reason behind these vents facing foreward when open other
than the obvious of forcing air into the passenger compartment?.....and has
anyone found a way to remove these stains from the headliner??
     wouldn't this design allow water to enter the vents during a rainstorm
while the vehicle is in motion or, is there some sort of piece between the
sunsheet and roof which would prevent the ingress of water etc...??
     I would think the vents should be mounted so they open towards the rear
thus creating a venturi effect and sucking out hot air rather than forcing it
in...this would be a little easier on rear seat passengers as well...
   any thoughts? anyone reversed the vents? any cleaning solutions?
sorry if you receive this as a double posting...

Thanks
Steve Bradke  72 S lll 88
                     68 S lla 88

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:33:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan Morris Coulter <jcoulter@warren-wilson.edu>
Subject: Re: Delco alternators

  
  Hello again,
  I looked around for Alan Richer's article on switching over to a 
Delco Alternator and I haven't found it.  Do you know when it was 
written?  Also, my LR is a positive ground right now, waiting to be 
changed to neg ground.
	Thanks for all your help.

	jonathan

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From: "Dean Cording" <CORDINGD@mail.navmat.navy.gov.au>
Date:          Thu, 11 Apr 1996 12:43:04 +1000
Subject:       Re: Turbocharged Heater

> Its make of white plastic.  Really stands out against the faded blue paint
> on the front fender.  Also makes it easier to feed the squirrels.

It would actually work as an automatic squirrel feeding device by 
collecting any passing insects.  Particularly good for driving 
through locust swarms.

Dean

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:50:32 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Turbocharged Heater

At 08:53 AM 4/10/96 -0600, you wrote:
>The heater blower intake on my Series III Rover is mounted on the right
>fender. If the vehicle is stopped, there is adequate air flow through the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>Rover heater intake screen with the dryer vent.  It is mounted on the right
>fender with the vent scoop pointed forward.  The heater now has adequate air
>flow at all road speeds.

<snipped>

I admire your ingenuity.  But my SIIA Rover has the heater intake at the
same place (upper right fender, just forward of the bulkhead) and the heater
blows the same at all speeds.  Is it possible the real culprit was a weak
blower motor or a leaky heater box or some combination thereof, that could
not overcome the "Bernoulli effect"?  Also, I'd wonder if offroading could
tear off the forward facing scoop and/or damage the fender a little?  Of
course, I wonder the same thing about those trucks with tropical roof vents
mounted on the lower part of the doors in order to vent cool air to the
stifling footwells -- but I still think it is a good idea.

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:10:09 -0700
From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden)
Subject: D90 seats

Someone posted a fix for the elusive squeeking sounds allegedly from the
D90 seats.   Accidentally lost the reply, but would sure like to see it
again  (the niose is getting loud enough to be heard at any speed below
50mph, but still hard to pinpoint).  Just hate sueaking noises that detract
from the satisfying noise of tire roar and gear howl  :- )  
Cheers, 
Gary Madden

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From: DanFormosa@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 22:17:36 -0400
Subject: I need re-frame help

Dear LRO's

I'm new to the list, so here is my first posting. 

I have a '73 Series III that I have had since birth (its' birth, not mine) -
so after 23 years it's time for a new frame. Well, okay, it was time a few
years ago...

I thought about doing it myself but I am interested in completing the project
before the end of the century. I would appreciate references to anyone in the
northern New Jersey / New York area that has experience in re-framing Land
Rovers and who may be able to undertake the project.

Thanks,

Dan Formosa              danformosa@aol.com

(Also, since I'm new here let me apologize in advance to anyone who
mistakenly receives more than 250 copies of this message.)

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:40:13 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Galvanic action

Larry "lodelane" Smith wrote about two blokes from Alaska who attached 
sacrificial zinc anodes to the frame rails and these were consumed over the 
course of a winter.  I've been doing *a lot* of reading on this, as I am 
just about to relaunch a sailboat I've been working on for two-three years.  
And I sure don't want to replace the prop and shaft anytime soon.

Anway, the short story is that everything has to be bonded together...and 
the fittings all have to be in an electrolyte, (i.e., seawater) to complete 
the circuit.  So every bronze thru-hull, the shaft, the motor and every 
other big metal bit is tied together with *8 ga.* tinned, stranded copper 
wire with all connections soldered.  Thus, everything is bonded to the zinc, 
the weakest part of the chain, so to speak.  I doubt that all bits of the 
Rover can be bonded with such efficiency, and they are not sitting in an 
electrolyte.  I just can't visualize how this could possibily work.

There are cases where *too much* zinc can be just as bad as none or too 
little.  Apparently, if you put too big a zinc on you boat, you invite stray 
currents *in* from the boats next door.  Sooo...the best plan is to park 
your Rover bumper-to-bumper with your buddy's shabby rolling wreck and 
transfer the corrosion to *him*. (Keep an eye on Dixon, fellas)  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 21:40:10 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Forgiven?

Barnett Childress wrote:

>Forgiven?

Nope...go say seven "hail Solihulls" and swap out your diff's for
penance. ;-)

Ya' done good, bro'.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:03:42 -0400
Subject: Re: What is this thing called, love?

On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, WILLIAM ADAMS wrote:

> With the wiper motor being one of those oft-stared-at items at traffic
lights 
> I began wondering what the purpose of that capacitor-looking object
attached 
  [ truncated by lro-lite (was 7 lines)]
> to the windscreen next to the motor is. I'm sure it does something, but I 
> can't find it in the manual. 
Perhaps its an old noise suppressor from the days of AM radio? You could get
them at Radio Shack, fr'instance. Cheers! John Dillingham

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:13:43 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Series vehicles over 40MPH

Ian sez...

>My 109 (SIII, 2.25 petrol, 750x16 tyres, no overdrive) can do over 70.
>I can talk to a passenger (admitably loudly, though not shouting) at 50mph

70MPH!  Connecting rods practically slapping the pavement. Pistons flying
wildly about screaming "Let us out! Let us out!"

Cheers
Mike

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From: "C. Paul Patsis" <cpaulp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Missed Mail
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:16:24 -0700

I did not receive the digest on April 8 or April 10. I did receive the =
April 9 issue. Has anyone else had this problem and is there anyway for =
me to check out the problem? Thanks for your help.

Paul Patsis
D-90

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 23:13:32 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Lucas.. (Not entirely LR related)

This ought to get a chuckle out of a few...

My "little" brother (younger, actually) is a confirmed Jeep owner and a
biker. He loves to give me a hard time about my Rover - even though I've had
to pull his Jeep out of a few places. With Spring here (almost) he's getting
the bikes back on the road. The Harley has bottom end problems and the
Indian ('35 Chief) is being repainted, so he's been riding this chopped
Triumph. We were all out at the family farm of Easter and he says "Well, I
was coming home at 3AM Saturday morning on the Triumph, the snow is coming
down, and I had Lucas, the Prince of Darkness, sitting on my front fender
with a Bic lighter." I looked at him and said "So?" "So", he says, "the cops
pulled me over for having no headlight and no taillight. I told them it only
worked on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday - Saturday was probably pushing it.
Then just laughed."

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 20:33:40 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Rover's web page

At  6:31 PM 4/10/96 -0500, Alexander P. Grice wrote:
>Well, it works...sort of.  Don't know if it's sooooo blooooddyyy slooooow
>because of traffic or what.

I thought it was very slow too and I thought the writer didn't do a very
good jod at graphics or user interface either.  It had the look of a first
time layout and web site writer.  Esp compaired to all the home brew and LR
parts company's web pages that people on this list have done.

>It did say that it "was designed to run on NetScape Navigator 2.0"  ...And
>you'll need at least 8MB of RAM to even load NetScape.  Cheers.

I just checked Navigator 2.0.1,  It has a footprint of about 4.3Meg in RAM
and 2 Meg on the hard disk.

It seems a nice well behaived product to me and just about everyone's busiy
writing plug ins for it.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:08:12 -0400
Subject:  Re: Gauze Filter in Fuel Tank Extension Pipe

On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Larry Smith said:
>When we have problems with torn screens on some of our Army vehicles and
>spares are not available, we go to the local hardware store and buy bulk
>aluminum screen used to repair storm doors/windows.  Be sure its aluminum,
>not the fibreglass/nylon.  Simply take one wire strand loose from an edge
and
>use it to "sew" in the patch.  Medical forceps help in the lacing process.

Larry:
I would think the screen would need to be a much finer mesh than what I
understand you are recommending in order to, for example, screen out water
and really fine particulate matter.  I have a funnel that has a water screen
in it, and it works great.  I don't know where to get the really fine mesh,
however.  Does anybody know a source??

Doug (my filter screen is rotten, too) Scott
BB member since 1996 - looking forward to a report of the first "Assist from
the List"!

  

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