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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 96 7:11:26 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:kudos Barnett/bounced mail

Thanks to Jim Pappas for trying to help "clear my name" in the eyes of my 
other LRO's!

S*** does happen! After all these are only machines we use to communicate 
with each other, and unfortunately once and a while they are going to 
malfunction. 

This was not a prank, nor was it a fault on my part as was suggested by 
some previous messages. I read and delete my mail daily as I said before.

Again...my apologies to *ALL* for the trashed mail boxes, lost work,  
inconvenience and frustration that this episode has caused.

I guess I better buy a lot of beer to hand out to those of you I finally 
get to meet at some of the upcoming LR events :>}

Forgiven?
Barnett 

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 96 7:15:35 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:: PLEASE DROP whoever is bouncing undeliverables

Thanks John,

I'm glad to see that there are some out there that realize this was not 
some diabolical scheme to ruin their day.

Barnett.

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 96 13:18 EET
From: acookson@aztec.co.za (Alan Cookson)
Subject: 88 S3 SW Shocks!

Greetings from Cape Town!

Does anyone out there have recommendations for the best heavy-duty
adjustable shocks to fit to "Oscar", my '76, series 111 88" station wagon?
The Australian "Old Man Emu" brand is being advertised here now for the
off-road market - does anyone have experience of these? Bilstein, Gabriel
and Armstrong are also available here, the last two made locally, so
presumably cheaper than imports. I expected a choppy ride when Oscar joined
the family, but it is that choppy that I am actually losing weight steadily
- forget Weigh-Less, buy a swb Landy for daily transport and lose weight
naturally!! 

All contributions will be appreciated.
  

 
Alan Cookson
Marketing Services International (Pty) Ltd
P.O.Box 6936
Roggebaai 8012
Cape Town 
South Africa

T: 27-21-531-5976
F: 27-21-531-5992
email: acookson@aztec.co.za

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:58:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Gauze Filter in Fuel Tank Extension Pipe

When we have problems with torn screens on some of our Army vehicles and
spares are not available, we go to the local hardware store and buy bulk
aluminum screen used to repair storm doors/windows.  Be sure its aluminum,
not the fibreglass/nylon.  Simply take one wire strand loose from an edge and
use it to "sew" in the patch.  Medical forceps help in the lacing process.

If you want to take the time/expense, I'm sure you can get brass screening.

Larry Smith
'72 SWB Petrol - Grover
Chester, VA

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:58:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Rust control

To all:

I know we went around on this during the winter.  But, I've been talking to a
couple of folks who were stationed in Alaska.  Both (non-LROs) sing the
praises of zinc sacrifice blocks.  The blocks seem to be shaped/sized like
SCUBA diver's belt weights and are attached to the top of a frame rail.  Both
individuals replaced the blocks each fall and indicated that after a full
year, there wasn't much left of the block.

As someone said, with all the zinc plating on Series capping, windscreen,
etc. it looks like plating would erode quickly if the anode blocks really
worked.  Does the galvanization process change the zinc where it won't work
like the blocks?  Or do the blocks just erode like the Zamac car badges and
small slurry cast toy cars without doing anything to help corrosion?

Chemistry and Physics cluelessness and totally confused,

Larry Smith
'72 SWB Petrol - Petrol
Chester, VA  

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@biddeford.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:14:46 -0500
Subject: Re: 88 S3 SW Shocks!

On  9 Apr 96 at 13:18, Alan Cookson wrote:

> Does anyone out there have recommendations for the best heavy-duty
> adjustable shocks to fit to "Oscar", my '76, series 111 88" station wagon?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> - forget Weigh-Less, buy a swb Landy for daily transport and lose weight
> naturally!! 

> Does anyone out there have recommendations for the best heavy-duty
 
> Does anyone out there have recommendations for the best heavy-duty
> adjustable shocks to fit to "Oscar", my '76, series 111 88" station wagon?
Alan,
I don't know what kind of shape your leaf springs are in, but it's been my 
experience that my kidneys appreciate new/rebuilt springs more than new 
shocks.  They get rusty and turn into a single unit which has no compliance 
at all.  ( the springs, not the kidneys).  I exchanged a set of standard 88 springs for HD ones, expecting a 
harsher ride, and was surprised to find that the spring frost heaves (see 
previous discussions), were no longer  a hazard to my neck from striking the 
roof with my head. 

Ron

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 08:30:17 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org>
Subject: I'm going Defender shopping...

Ok, here's a neat one. I went to the hardware store last night (to buy hardware,
of course), and as usual couldn't manage to just get what I needed without 
searching for some kind of goodies. I'm like a kid in a candy store, ok. I found
some nylon flat washers that look like they would be really nice for fitting 
between steel bolts and aluminum panels. I remember somebody on this list 
talking about cutting up milk jugs to make their own. They should be in the 
plumbing section of any hardware store worth their "salt". (Yikes, I hate salt).
So anyway, here's the fun part. Just "for kicks", I asked the guy working the 
key stand if he could copy the key to my Rover. After looking for about ten 
seconds hge decided that while he didn't have the exact blank, he could probably
find one that would fit. I'm thinking, ok, I can find a standard, common, 
hardware store blank that everyone can get without tracking down a Brit car 
place or one of the Rover places. So we find a couple that look possible, and 
take them out to the truck (Rover). The second one fits! It unlocks the door!!
It locks the door!!! It starts the car!!!!. It HAS NOT been cut. After having a 
good ten-minute-chuckle with the hardware store guys, I bought the key blank 
($1) and drove home with it. It makes the ignition switch a little tight, but 
this prevents the heater from going on and off from the key moving. These are 
all new lock cylinders recently purchased from ROvers North. I called them and 
they told me that it was a DEFENDER KEY (!). So all you D90 owners watch out, I 
may be borrowing your ride for a day...

Dave "Good evening, Officer" B.
SIII SWB, Pastel Green on top, Rust orange on bottom (not for long)

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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 08:47:15 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org>
Subject: Rust control

My own method of rust Control.

I've got the new frame up on sawhorses and started sandblasting last Saturday. 
Thanks to Chris "air tools 'R' us" Stevens of this list. Thanks Chris. I spent 
all day tring to find a new nozzle for the thing, and then got back and started 
to blast anyway, and found that I was constantly losing pressure and that the 
compressor kept cutting off, since all the power in my friend's garage is on one
circuit. Great. I can see this is not going to get done in an afternoon. I 
bought 3 cans of Chassis Black and one can of Coroless from Eastwoods. I'm 
hoping the one can of coroless will do since there is more rust left over after 
blasting than I expected. It's so nice to see clean metal on a frame. I don't 
think that ever would happen with the one thats under my car. When I recently 
had the floors out, I found a bulkhead outrigger that was starting to lose its 
grip on the bulkhead. The bolt, still firmly attached to the door pillar, is 
pulling the top of the outrigger upwards. The whole passenger side of the 
bulkhead is 1/4" higher than it's supposed to be, and the bottom of the door 
post from the hinge down is made of f'in Bondo! So it looks like my plan to 
ignore the bulkhead this time around is not going to happen. I found a bunch of 
neat industrial type places near my friends house, one of which is a spring shop
htat also has a frame machine. I think I'll bring it over there before I paint 
it, to see if they can straighten that front horn, and I'll let 'em get intimate
with the springs that I got from Mark Talbot. I've done enough bushing removal. 
('ello Tim). I'm looking to start stripping the beast in two or three weeks.  

Cheers
Dave B.
SIII SWB, with "Mazda" key...

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:23:28 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: kudos Barnett 

 Ben writes:

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:40:38 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Dormobile gas location

Dear All,
        Jeremy asked about the location of Dormobile caldor / propane gas
tanks. The tanks are located under the right front seat. Two small bottles
and a regulator under there.
        See ya!

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:41:43 -0600 (MDT)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Low Beam Too Bright?

>Likewise here in South Florida (Miami Beach to be more precise). Not only
>have they never learned to wave, but they also suffer from
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>an occasional wave from D90 owners (some of whom seem to be able to identify
>my D110). 

In South Florida? It's probably because their worried about being shot 
for accidentally making eye contact with another driver...

Rob

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From: Sekerere@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:46:36 -0400
Subject: Re: : a whole bunch of "undeliverable mail

Thanks for the explanation Barnett, good to know someone out there was on top
of it. My AOL account liked the messages though, made me stay on a whole lot
longer:-)!!!!!!

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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 09:31:04 -0700
From: Russ Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: re:: PLEASE DROP whoever is bouncing undeliverables

Aw comme on.... After dealing with lucas electronics, what is a few
bounced messages. I have to admit I got a good chuckle out of the
2400 pages though.
Let see, how many times has my check engine light come on..

Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 07:52:46 -0600
From: Stephen Brown <srbrown@sair020.energylan.sandia.gov>
Subject: Transfer case neutral ALARM

My 88 Range Rover has a wee problem. When I put it into low range, the
audible transfer case neutral alarm keeps on beeping even though it's
only supposed to be on when the transfer case is in neutral. 

I looked at the electrical schematics and it shows that the switch is
normally closed and when it opens (when in neutral), there is a
pull-up resistor which gives a 12 volt input to the beeper
circuit. The problem with this is that you can't simply disconnect the
switch wires, or the beeper will go on continuously. I tried this by
reaching my hand way up above the transmission from the rear and
pulled the wire connectors off of the switch -- beeps always as
advertised. The bloody switch is in such an awkward nearly unreachable
place that I can't possibly take it out, lubricate it or even see
it. I can't think of what to do short of dropping the transmission or
grounding out the input on the beeper thing under the dash.

I suspect I'm not the first person to have this problem -- any
suggestions? 

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:10:27 -0400
From: bcw6@cornell.edu (Braman Wing)
Subject: Re: Mutant seeks Rover

I'm 6'5" and I've never had any problem in a IIA. My knees come pretty
close to the dash, but everything clears(barely). I am pretty skinny,
though (200lbs.) My dad does have some difficulty fitting in, but he has
100lbs on me, so it's not so much a height problem as weight(hope you're
not reading this, dad) It does get a bit cramped on long journeys, but then
again, I don't think anyone would be really comfortable in a series on a
long trip. As far as I'm concerned, the worst problem is that my head is
exactly the right height to smash into the back gate when it's open.

                                                        Braman

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:07:54 +0000
Subject: Re: Transfer case neutral ALARM

Quoting Stephen Brown, from  9 Apr 96

> I looked at the electrical schematics and it shows that the switch is
> normally closed and when it opens (when in neutral), there is a pull-up
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> lubricate it or even see it. I can't think of what to do short of
> dropping the transmission or grounding out the input on the beeper thing
> under the dash.
Take one wire off the switch and tape over the end (to keep it clean)

Now you won't get annoyed by the beeping, though you will have to remember 
to not try driving with the transfer box in neutral...

(If you can't fix it - disconnect it! :)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: The Birmabright Brotherhood
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 10:14:00 DST

The April copy of the Birmabright Brotherhood was sent to list members 
today.
If you think you are a member of the Brotherhood and didn't receive a copy 
let me know.
If you are interested in becoming a member send me your details.
The Birmabright Brotherhood is a group of Land Rover Owners who have agreed 
to assist fellow list members who may be in trouble on the road.

Trevor Easton 

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 10:40:00 CDT

Please make it stop.

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 11:11:00 CDT

I tried to use a power adapter in my cigarette lighter in my D90 and it 
turned out to be a cigar lighter - too big for most normal power adapters to 
plug into it.  Has anyone had success with finding a size adapter to make 
the plug fit in the cigar lighter or should I just wrap tape around the plug 
before inserting into the cigar lighter?

Thanks,
Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 08:19:08 -0700
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: FYI: Returned mail: Remote protocol error

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: BB List
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 11:24:00 DST

The following members of the BB List had delivery problems:
Adam Kitchen
Steve Reddock
Thorsen Klein

If you see this note please contact me

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 11:56:00 CDT

I did a bad thing yesterday.  I drove by a brand-new Range Rover and was in 
such a daze that I didn't notice the guy waving at me until it was too late 
to wave back.  Imagine a Range Rover waving at a D90, and I forgot to wave 
back?  I feel like such a bum! :(

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 12:34:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate)
Subject: "TUFSYN" Tyre Material

 Mark G asks:

Regarding the US IIA spare tire, can someone please explain what
"built with TUFSYN" means.  Is this some sort of secret acronym?

No, Mark, nothing secret about TUFSYN (that I know of).  I cant speak for
Goodyear, but I believe it's just a word made up by some '60s Marketing Type
in order to influence the gullible public into thinking that they should buy
that tire above, say, a Firestone.  Remember Certs with "retsin"? Or those
"flavor crystals" in coffee?  Marketing fluff.  I only brought it up because
I thought it sounded quaint.

Scott Fugate

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From: Jim Steinborn <steinbor@CS.ColoState.EDU>
Subject: Birmabright Brotherhood info
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:58:33 -0600 (MDT)

I would like to find out more about the Birmabright Brotherhood (what
geographic area does it cover, etc.). I would write to Trevor Easton
privately, but I didn't notice his e-mail address in his recent
postings. Would someone please send me his address so that I may
inquire?

Thanks
-- 

Jim Steinborn                                 ____             AMA OHS
steinbor@cs.colostate.edu                     \  /           AIO NAWCC
http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~steinbor          \/          STOC ST1100

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From: velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:09:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: RE: Gauze Filter in Fuel Tank Extension Pipe

In message Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:00:14 -0900,
  scholes@modemss.brisnet.org.au (David  R Scholes)  writes:

> My SIII SWB is fitted with an extension pipe to the fuel tank that pulls
> out when you fill 'er up. At the bottom is a wire gauze to filter out any
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> and gauze filter seem to be a one piece thing. Is this true or is there
> some cunning way to extract and replace the gauze.
   You can solder a new piece of metal net onto the pipe with an
   acetylene torch, use low temperature solder.
-----------------------------------
Stine Henriksen / Jakob Christensen
Borrowed account    -   73 sIII 88"
-----------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:25:10 -0700
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: What Is A Slab?

> Although not LRO related, "What's all this slab stuff 
> anyway?"  What is a slab?  Mark

As far as I know, a slab is a piece of plastic that people put coins in 
because they're too lazy to learn to grade them themselves.  Either that, 
or what you end up on after drinking too much 90wt.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 12:43:41 -0500
Subject: Brake line paths

hi everyone,

what path does the rear hard brake line follow on the frame after it   
leaves the 5 way junction on an 88? does it follow the top or the side of   
the frame? should it go under the main crossmember (the big one with the   
pto hole) and then to the bracket for attachment to the flex line? Its   
difficult to tell anything from the drawings.

my old lines were a botch by an obvious amateur, with no concern for the   
fact that they might get caught on things sticking up out of the ground.

thanks,

tim

ps - rear wheel cylinders when in like a charm. shoes were much thicker   
back there than up front, i wonder if i was getting any stopping power   
from them...

pps - when did lr change the model year back in the 60s? since mine came   
off the line on july 15, 1965, i wonder if that would have still been a   
'65 (not that it really matters much, I don't think they changed anything   
anyway).
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW  

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Date: 09 Apr 96 13:56:26 EDT
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Barnett Childress 

     Barnett and I talked am today he has checked with his MIS people and 
     the there is no problem at his company's computer. Noone else in his 
     company has had any internal or external mail problems therefore the 
     problem is at the Majors computer. Something wacky was happening with 
     the daemon list. other peoples names (eg eric.peterson@ebay.sun.com) 
     also appear as protocol rejections).
     
     Barnett is not willing to put up with the unneeded flames from a few 
     people on the mailing lists, and has opted to unsubscribe until he can 
     be assured by the Major that the problem is solved.
     
     If Bill C could email me when he thinks the problems are solved, I'll 
     let Barnett know and he'll try again
     
     Thank you
     Chris Browne

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 13:10:36 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Brake line paths

> what path does the rear hard brake line follow on the frame after it   
> leaves the 5 way junction on an 88? does it follow the top or the side of   
> the frame?
-
Top

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 14:54:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: rthomas@postoffice.ptd.net (Randall Thomas)
Subject: Re: Model Year, was Brake line paths

>pps - when did lr change the model year back in the 60s? since mine came   
>off the line on july 15, 1965, i wonder if that would have still been a   
>'65 (not that it really matters much, I don't think they changed anything   
>anyway).
Tim, If you think that's bad, I have a 1948 Studebaker pickup truck that came 
off the assembly line in April 1941.
Cheers.

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:03:42 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Delivery problems

Dear allo, some people complain about too much mail, and some get too little 
mail. I am one who gets too little, no bounced messages, but no digest 
either. So could anybody spare a few moments and mail me the April 8 (Easter 
monday) digest? I will name one of my rear brake cylinders (just newly 
arrived from Dunsfold LR) after the donor, and may he last as long as the 
cylinder.
Thanks in advance
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 09 Apr 96 12:43:49 MST
Subject: CB antenna location for a Range Rover

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Greetings all,

I finally got a CB radio! Now, I need to find an antenna and a place to
put it! Obviously, center of the roof is the ideal location
functionally, but I'm looking for suggestions....

I don't really mind (too much) drilling holes in the Range Rover, but I
hesitate to use center of the roof due to potential trail damage. Also,
will an aluminum roof still make a good ground plane? And, I'm concerned
that if (when!) I hit a branch with a roof mounted antenna, will it
damage the aluminum roof?

I tried a magnet mount on the hood, but I get too much interference from
the engine. I can't use it on the roof, since the roof is aluminum.

Please advise me on your opinions. What do you Range Rover owners do?

Thanks a bunch!!

#=======#         _________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 13:14:29 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: In defence of the Major (was: Barnett Childress)

At 01:56 PM 4/9/96 EDT, Chris Browne
<Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com> wrote:

>     Barnett and I talked am today he has checked with his MIS people
>     and the there is no problem at his company's computer. Noone else
>     in his company has had any internal or external mail problems
>     therefore the problem is at the Majors computer. Something wacky
>     was happening with  the daemon list.

 In all due respect, a MIS statement that "No one else in [Barnett
 Childress'] company has mail problems therefore the problem is Majors
 computer" doesn't quite cut it.  This is the sort of statement one
 expects as 'duck and cover' MIS propaganda.  We are not blaming Barnett
 himself, but by examining the bounced messages it is clear that his
 mailer screwed up.  The content of the appended message to his mailer
 clearly stated that his mail box was full as he had exceeded 1000
 messages.  Unfortunately the bounced mail messages went back to the
 Major and were redistributed to the list, including Barnett.  Each time
 the messages came to Barnett's mailer, the same "Mail box is full... 
 exceeded 1000 messages" blurb was added on, making the file bigger!!  In
 all, there were only 8-10 basic 1 or 2K messages that increased in size
 every time they hit Barnett's mail deamon.  At the end of the day, the
 files exceeded 50K and were being split in two!!

 What amazes me is how MIS people can generate lengthy 'Mail Box is
 Full' messages giving no useful information, not even identifying the
 addressee, and then appending it to the _complete_ message and sending
 it ALL back.  Obviously this is a disaster waiting to happen, and a bit
 arrogant if I may add.  At one point I felt I had to hunt down
 Barnett's real email address from a database I was given, and attempted
 to unsubscribe him.  I don't think it worked as I tried this around 3 PM
 locally and messages were still coming in at 11 PM.  I feel sorry for
 those persons who had to pay for download time or paid per message from
 their server, not to mention loosing other business mail.

 In retrospect, BOTH Barnett's and the Major's mail systems should have
 safeguards.  Barnett's should identify the addressee and limit the size
 of the returned message to just a quote, maybe 2K or so.  In my
 opinion, the Major should also have a limit on message sizes, certainly
 10K should do it for most Land Rover related text...  with these limits
 in mind, I sign off.

 PS--
 Whatever happened to succinct email addresses.  Do computers need 29
 digits to identify an account?  What are the variables, 1:100 billion??
         <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>,
         <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>

 Regards,

                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: Keith Goffin <keith@emsi.com>
Subject: Wanted: Used 88" Frame for SIIA
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 16:30:00 PDT

Howdy Folks,

Looking for a good used 88" frame for my SIIA (1970).  Let me know what you 
have and prices.  I would like to go coil but I'm a rebuild virgin and 
here's my chance.

Thanks All,

Keith Goffin
keith@emsi.com
1970 SIIA 88" (Sheila), still paying on her (you know who you are)

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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 16:31:59 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org>
Subject: Was: Brake line paths/ Is: "Brake"-through engineering...

ps - rear wheel cylinders when in like a charm. shoes were much thicker   
back there than up front, i wonder if i was getting any stopping power   
from them...

Only if your brakes work like mine. I figured out how this "dual system" works.
Real simple, just like everything else on a Rover. You can actually activate 
each axles brakes seperately. One pump of the pedal will activate the rear 
brakes only. This is for slow, doodling around town kind of stuff, and then for 
the white knuckle, high-speed, highway kind of stuff, you can pump twice, which 
will engage both rear and front brakes at the same time. Ingenious system 
really. Why waste all that precious brake fluid by using all four brakes at the 
same time? Save yourself some money and get the dual action master 
cylinder-brake shoe-brake drum kit from Rovers North. It comes with large-bore 
drums and extra-thin shoes for the front, as well as a dual master cylinder that
allows the pedal to sink to the floor during high speed braking, which serves as
a reminder to pump twice for that extra stopping power up front where it counts.
The thinner shoes up front allow them to wear out around the same rate as the 
more frequently used rear ones, so that you don't replace them at different 
times and upset the delicate balance. The larger drums in front prevent the 
shoes from contacting them during "normal" braking, which would also create 
uneven wear and be a big waste of brake fluid. This is also a convenient system 
because any extra brake fluid that isn't needed drips out between the master 
cylinder and it's "servo". This serves to lubricate the pedal assembly quite 
nicely, making it all a very convenient and trouble free affair indeed. Also it 
seems to replenish it's own brake fluid, since the level never drops. I think it
draws from the on-board single-malt still, but that's another story for another 
day... So call Lanny at Rovers North and ask for the "Dual Action Brake Drum and
Master Cylinder Kit", part # I8UPA-TRE.  It'll be the last set of brakes you 
ever buy... 

 

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Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 16:40:09 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Wanted: Used 88" Frame for SIIA

Howdy Folks,

Looking for a good used 88" frame for my SIIA (1970).  Let me know what you 
have and prices.  

Keith Goffin
keith@emsi.com
----------------------------------------------

Isn't there one up at eaat coast rover? Mike?

Have fun, o' self-proclaimed virginal one. I myself have never rebuilt a LR 
either (but will be doing just that and very soon.) I never considered myself a 
virgin though. I guess my parents never taught me that it isn't a dirty word. So
anyway, at what point can one consider one's "rebuild cherry" popped?

Dave "Really sorry for the "PG-13" content, but I couldn't resist" B.

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From: "Ferenc-Jan van Zijp" <f.j.a.vanzijp@lr.tudelft.nl>
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:14:27 +0000
Subject: Re: Low Beam Too Bright?

Greetings, beloved land-rover-owners and wannabees,

>     Thoroughly disgusted, I got in my 88 and left.  I mean, this was
>     beyond snubbing an owner of an older LR, this was total disdain
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>     for fellow human beings!  Amazing.
>     Duncan, very nearly with Michelin tread marks on his toes.

Another newbie question from Delft: is it true owning a Land-rover 
makes you look like a greasy tramp?

Greetings!

Ferenc
** Ferenc-Jan van Zijp/f.j.a.vanzijp@lr.tudelft.nl/delft/holland **

'Why think about the weather when lights are low.'

                                        - Sarah Vaughan

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From: "Ferenc-Jan van Zijp" <f.j.a.vanzijp@lr.tudelft.nl>
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:14:27 +0000
Subject: re:Not Rover, but important. (was Re: Undeliverable Message

> delete my mail daily. No one at work can give me an answer as to
> what actually happened.
> Again my sincere apology to all.

Do not worry, it happens sometimes. You reckon Sir Lucas got 
something to do with the e-mail protocol?

Grts,

Ferenc
** Ferenc-Jan van Zijp/f.j.a.vanzijp@lr.tudelft.nl/delft/holland **

'Why think about the weather when lights are low.'

                                        - Sarah Vaughan

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From: "Ferenc-Jan van Zijp" <f.j.a.vanzijp@lr.tudelft.nl>
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:14:27 +0000
Subject: Re: PLEASE DROP whoever is bouncing undeliverables

> Yea   no  SH_T        who the FU_k  is doing this!!  i am losing
> other mail due to your darn   prank!!!!     STOP   PLEASE!!!!!!!
 
Yes it's quite inconvenient but I do not hold a grudge against 
anyone if this happens. It won't be done on purpose, right? Things
like this will happen to me to one day (and then it probably *will* be
my own fault :-o....)

It's not nice and not 'net-like' to scold someone for something 
he or she probably can't help either.

Look on the bright side: saved you a lot of time reading the LRO 
8-) 

Ferenc

BTW Do you wave at other LRO's on the road?
** Ferenc-Jan van Zijp/f.j.a.vanzijp@lr.tudelft.nl/delft/holland **

'Why think about the weather when lights are low.'

                                        - Sarah Vaughan

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Subject: Land Rover Trip: Saline Valley (California) in May 
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 14:27:13 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

	(I'm posting this because Jeff doesn't have any access to the Internet)
	(Actually it's a repost because it took 7 days to bounce)

	The Saline Valley is located one Valley to the east of Owens
Valley.  The plan is to base camp at the hot springs in Saline Valley and
explore the surrounding area.  This is the desert in the late spring so the
temps may be in the 90s.    There is not definite plan.  Come for a day or
four.  The base came should be findable.

Date: 4-8 May 1996
Facilites: None (there might be outhouses, but I don't know).  Bring drinking
           water (about a gallon per person per day)
Contact:  Jeff Stitt, 230 North Mountain View, Yerington, NV 89447
                      (702)-463-2011
                      Email: none.

	Jeff is planning on leaving Big Pine at noon on the 4th.  If other
Rovers are there, he'll lead the convoy.  Otherwise you are on you own.  If
interested, contact Jeff or myself for directions.

	Oh, and the Saline Hot Springs are "Clothing optional."  So if naked
people wandering around bothers you, you were warned.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Subject: Land Rover model years (was:  Re: Brake line paths )
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 14:36:49 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Tim Harincar asked:

> pps - when did lr change the model year back in the 60s? since mine came   
> off the line on july 15, 1965, i wonder if that would have still been a   
> '65 

	Land Rover model years were based on their fiscal year. (at least
origionally).  The Fiscal year ended on 26 September until 1975.  In 1976 and
later the fiscal year ended on 31 December.  I'm not sure when the model years 
switched after 1975, but most new models became availible in September of a
given year.  

> (not that it really matters much, I don't think they changed anything anyway).

	There were a few production changes on the SIIAs before they moved
the headlights, but nothing all that dramatic.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:36:36 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Strange bolts

David Scholes <scholes@modems.brisnet.org.au> asked:

>Can anyone tell me what that strange bolt type attachment is in my SIII 
>SWB.  It's centrally mounted on the pillar that divides the bulkhead....

That's the *third* spare tire mounting point.  If all the bits (like the 
cross brace) are there, it makes a dandy fixing point for the high lift.  
Crossways, a high lift about fills up the bed.  Glue bits of neoprene where 
the jack would rest on both sides/ends, a secure the bolt *straight down* as 
opposed to how it's supposed to secure a tire.  The high lift will be held 
securely in place.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: 09 Apr 96 18:53:44 EDT
From: "Steven  L. Meier" <102141.3253@compuserve.com>
Subject: "The Waving Thing"

Here in Santa Fe . NM none of the Range Rover or Discovery owners do it and 
only one of the many Defender owners do it (they should at least have a clue 
about what they are seeing, that is if they have looked at their own vehicle).

Perhaps it's a matter of education . . . I don't think many (any) of the 
"yuppie plushmobile" owners know a thing about the history of Land Rovers or 
what the origins of their vehicles might be, unless they are Series owner 
wanna-bes.  For that matter, they probably don't care.  Santa Fe is small and 
may have the largest per capita ownership of Land Rovers around? . . . they 
pass each other often and don't wave either.  They are just not into it.

As Land Rover (BMW) is not so keen about the heritage either (if all the 
Series cars left the face of the planet they would be delighted) I don't think
we can expect them to initiate an education program for buyers through the 
dealerships.

The bottom line . . . Series Owners know who they are and might as well give 
up and suffer the "indignity?" of non-recognition in peace. 

Keep the "Romance" Alive . . . Steven L. Meier
ROVERS YOU CAN RIDE . Santa Fe . New Mexico
Specializing in Complete Frame Up Restorations
Engine/Gearbox Conversions and other Options Available
e-Mail 102141.3253@Compuserve.com  1.505.438.2475  FAX 1.505.989.7622

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@biddeford.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:07:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Low Beam Too Bright?

 On  9 Apr 96 at 23:14, Ferenc-Jan van Zijp wrote:

 > Another newbie question from Delft: is it true owning a Land-rover 
 > makes you look like a greasy tramp?
 
 I find that it is a good cover for the truth about myself.  People don't 
 seem to mind my appearance when they see what I drive, and just think I am 
 a quaint eccentric.  Welcome aboard.
 
 Ron Franklin

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:13:49 -0400
Subject: Re: I'm going Defender shopping...

<<< Dave wrote about the key blanks:
The second one fits! It unlocks the door!! It locks the door!!! It starts the
car!!!!. It HAS NOT been cut. After having a good ten-minute-chuckle with the
hardware store guys, I bought the key blank ($1) and drove home with
it.........        ..........These are 
all new lock cylinders recently purchased from ROvers North. I called them
and they told me that it was a DEFENDER KEY (!). So all you D90 owners watch
out, I may be borrowing your ride for a day... >>>

The day after I got my 110 back from the dealer, I noticed something odd
about my keychain. There was an extra set of door & center console keys
attached on another ring. The mystery door key *Opened* the two front doors
but not the rear, and the console key didn't fit. I took them back and asked
if they were running a key-copy scheme in which all 110 owners got keys to
each others' vehicles?! Apparently an innocent error on the mechanic's
part... but now I want to know how many doors MY key will open? Maybe in an
effort to save $$$ LR only made 10 - 20 different keys and scattered them
around the country...

...in honor of *Dave "Good evening, Officer" B.*;
Pat"This is a Scientific Experiment, Officer" P.

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From: "Dean Cording" <CORDINGD@mail.navmat.navy.gov.au>
Date:          Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:15:29 +1000
Subject:       Re: In defence of the Major

>  In retrospect, BOTH Barnett's and the Major's mail systems should have
>  safeguards.  Barnett's should identify the addressee and limit the size
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>  10K should do it for most Land Rover related text...  with these limits
>  in mind, I sign off.

There are safeguards built into SMTP in the form of the 'Report 
Errors To' field which specifies the address that error messages 
should be sent to.  I however notice that LRO doesn't appear to use 
this field.  Unfortunately some mailers choose to ignore it 
and send errors back to the sender. 

Dean

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:35:32 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Brake line paths

You wrote: 

>what path does the rear hard brake line follow on the frame after it   
>leaves the 5 way junction on an 88? does it follow the top or the side of   
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>thanks,
>tim
This is based on a 109 of the same year.  I can't imagine the line being 
significantly (at all?) different.

The line runs from the 5-way along the top of the frame past the cross member 
then angles down to the inside where there should be a "tab" projecting from 
the frame on the interior right side (facing forward).  The tab has a hole in 
it and is where the flex hose to the axle joins the line from the frame.  Be 
sure that the line moves off the top of the frame before the frame rises to 
the point at which it nearly meets the box of the body.

cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:31:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: re:kudos Barnett/bounced mail

Hell, I'll buy YOU a Beer just for having the balls to come forward and 
take responsibility.  Too many people today would just hide and say " I 
don't know what you're talking about".....

Cheers
Russ W.
67 SWB  " The Pig"
     " Coil Springs are for pogosticks "

On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, barnett childress wrote:

> Thanks to Jim Pappas for trying to help "clear my name" in the eyes of my 
> other LRO's!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
> Forgiven?
> Barnett 

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:08:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Mutant seeks Rover (more than height & weight)

Braman writes:

>I'm 6'5" and I've never had any problem in a IIA. My knees come pretty
>close to the dash, but everything clears(barely). I am pretty skinny,
>though (200lbs.)

When packagaing a car or truck overall height of individuals is not a factor.
What does matter is seated height (from the seat squab to the top of your
head) and the length of your legs when seated from your back to the ball of
your foot. People of the same height come in an amazing variety of
proportions. So what works for someone may not work for someone else of the
same height. I'm 6'1" and have headroom problems in many cars, but almost
never have legroom problems. A friend who is 2" taller almost never has
headroom problems but almost never can get the seat far enough back.

Folks working in anthropomorphics (sp?) use percentiles of the population who
are under a given dimension, and a common practice in the auto industry is to
package for the 95% adult male. The interesting question is what population?
The SAE numbers are based on old (WWII) data and people are now bigger. More
recent data called UMTRI puts a 95% SAE male as about 90%. I suspect LR was
using an even smaller "oscar" in 1948.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:11:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jonathan Morris Coulter <jcoulter@warren-wilson.edu>
Subject: Delco alternators

  Hello,
         I just got a '65 SIIA 88" with a shot generator.  I was going 
to fix it myself, but then I just read about some switch to a Delco 
alternator.  What is the scoop on this conversion?  Is it better than 
fixing the existing generator?  Any help would be appreciated.

		jonathan and ariel

------------------------------

From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:26:25 -0400
Subject: Model Year Designations (was  Brake line paths)

Tim asks:
>pps - when did lr change the model year back in the 60s? since mine came   
>off the line on july 15, 1965, i wonder if that would have still been a   
>'65 (not that it really matters much, I don't think they changed anything   
>anyway).

My understanding is that after the SIIA was introduced in Sept '61, LR
dropped model year designations and went by suffix letter, A through J? for
SIIA's. A similar scheme was used for SIII through '79. The suffix letters
indicated changes in specifications, usually mostly minor.

The model year designation on titles and registration in the U.S. reflects
what the dealer put on the documents when he sold the vehicle. In the U.S.
from the early 70s on federal laws limited model year designations, and said
the manufactuer had to designate the model year. Some dealers would just
update the model year of their inventory in the Fall for vehicles without
manuf. model year.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

------------------------------

From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Greasy Tramps
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:02:16 +0930 (CST)

Ferenc-Jan asks:
> Another newbie question from Delft: is it true owning a Land-rover 
> makes you look like a greasy tramp?

Not necessarily, you might look like a greasy doctor, and frequently you 
will look like a greasy "person who got dressed up to go to a show but 
never made it".  
While the grease washes off you can never get rid of the smell of 90wt.

cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 20:54:49 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Brake line paths

At 12:43 PM 4/9/96 -0500, Tim Harincar-MS wrote:
Tim,

If its the same as a 109, the 5 way sits on top of the frame.  The steel
line just goes back along the top of the frame untill you come to a bracket
at the inside top corner.  The connector mounts to the bracket and a flex
hose takes it to the to of the axle housing where it meets a 3 way.

There are little metal clips held in by one small screw each that holds the
line in place along the top.  You may see occasional small (#6?) holes
where the originals were mounted.

If you are building your own hoses, Rovers North carries the connectors and
Eastwood carries the correct flaring tools.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:13:43 -0500 (EST)
From: amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Anthony John E. Maravilla IU-Med3)
Subject: Test

Is this thing working this week?>
> The DOT maintains a list of recalls that you can get to on the Web.

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 106 lines)]
>Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an
>agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a
>reasonable time should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
John

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:51:36 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Delco alternators

You wrote: 
> Hello,
>         I just got a '65 SIIA 88" with a shot generator.  I was going 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>fixing the existing generator?  Any help would be appreciated.
>		jonathan and ariel
The consensus among converts is that it's better than fixing the 
existing generator for several reasons not the least of which are:
 
1) Cheap and easy future replacement/repair
2) Greater amperage output for those dark and rainy nights (when you're 
winching and calling on the CB for help :) ).
3) Exorcising the ghost of Lucas that has a (perhaps undeserved) bad 
reputation for reliability

Is your '65 + or - earth?  If it's + that would be another trivial 
conversion if you switch to the alternator.

Depending on exactly which alternator is used and which mounting bracket 
is in place there is a variety of "shimming" used to position it.  
Beyond that there are wiring alterations to the ammeter and bypassing of 
the voltage regulator.

Alan Richer posted and excellent description of the fundamentals of 
alternator conversion a while back that covers all these details. I 
basically followed his guidance when installing mine.

Cheers,

Jeremy

------------------------------

From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: The Birmabright Brotherhood
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:04:08 -0600 (MDT)

Trevor,

Please send details.  I think I was temporarily bumped off the list when the BB 
started.  Is it North America wide?  Is it open to people without net 
connections?  May I advertise it in the Solihull Society Magazine?  Please explain 
name also (your words better than my guess).

Todd

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: The Birmabright Brotherhood
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:06:38 -0600 (MDT)

oops.  sorry, last message to Trevor was meant to be private.  lazy finger hit the 
reply key.

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 09:50:10 +0000
Subject: Land Rovers and the rest

This is taken (without permission) from an article published in the Times 
newspaper on Saturday 2nd March, 1996. The article was written by Kevin 
Eason.

Synopsis: An offroad day for drivers of 4x4 vehicles who've never driven 
off-road before.

The comparison:
-- Start quote --

*At the top and bottom of the slopes*

If you want to be King of the hill, choose wisely.  The 4x4 market is 
divided into Gladiators and cars that get sand kicked into their 
windscreens.  The Midland Auto Trader jaunt separated six-stone weaklings 
from cars that really could tackle mud and mountains.  So here is the 
'Car96' giude to the best off-roaders.

o LAND ROVER DEFENDER: V8-powered, short wheelbase Defenders clambered 
up gradients that looked beyond everything except goats.  If you are 
serious about off-roading, the defender is the origional, and remains King 
of the Mud.  Prices -- 15,803 to 20,821

o LAND ROVER DISCOVERY: Next best thing, but comes with luxuries and 
legroom. Ignore Japanese imitation.  Prices -- 18,676 to 29,335

o RANGE ROVER: Should be too effete for mud-plugging, but will go anywhere 
while the driver and passengers recline in gorgous comfort, fantastic 
stereo blaring and drinks chilling in the boot.  Nothing else like it, but 
you need Nick Leeson's chequebook.  Prices -- 40,000 to 45,500

o MITSUBISHI SHOGUN: A fine competitor for the Range Rover, but lacking 
the same aura.  Includes short wheelbase version in the line-up, although 
3.5 V6 one to go for.  Prices -- 18,879 to 36,789

o ISUZU TROOPER / VAUXHALL MONTEREY: Same vehicle, different badges. 
Second best but capable and cheap, if uncharasmatic. Prices -- Isuzu: 
17,999 to 24,789; Vauxhall: 21675 to 27,185

o VAUXHALL FRONTERA: Big, butch and about as tough off-road as Julian 
Clary.  Ask Andrew Pack.  Prices: 14,695 to 19,995

o DIHATSU FOURTRAK / SPORTSTRAK: For those that can't afford the real 
thing.  Cheap and cheerful.  Prices -- 9,995 to 17,495

o SUZUKI VITARA: Only fashion vitims need apply.  About as appealing as 
white stilettos and a denim skirt -- and about as much use in the mud.  
Prices -- 9,750 to 15,475

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 06:17:02 EDT
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Series vehicles over 40MPH

Mike wondered if series vehicles could go over 40.

They sure can.  My series III lightweight has seen 100 MPH, but I
do cheat and have fitted a 2.8 V6.

I even have a nearly clean driving licence.

Can't go over 40? You great girls blouse :-)

Can somebody pass the earplugs.

Cheers, Steve

Steve Reddock, Xyratex       | Just as he thought he had
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450     | clinched the interview he was
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)           | visited by the ghost of Usenet
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | Postings Past.

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:29:28 +0000
Subject: Re: Series vehicles over 40MPH

Quoting Steve Reddock, from 10 Apr 96

> Mike wondered if series vehicles could go over 40.
> They sure can.  My series III lightweight has seen 100 MPH, but I
> do cheat and have fitted a 2.8 V6.

My 109 (SIII, 2.25 petrol, 750x16 tyres, no overdrive) can do over 70.
I can talk to a passenger (admitably loudly, though not shouting) at 50mph

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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