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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 11:21:26 -0500
Subject: Frame Replacement Log, Week 13

Log 13

Hopefully beginning the home stretch. This week I seemed to have
gotton back on track.

First, like I think I said before, I ended up taking the front output
shaft assembly off the transfer case. It was tricky to get it off in
place - I had to take the clutch slave cylinder assembly off first.
One off, I was able to better asses the situation with my broken tap.
I also decided to make a few phone calls to see what a new cover would
cost.

RN had a new cover for $40. So I gave BP a call to see what they'd
take for a used one, and after a bit of negotiation, they let me have
one for $15! Trust me, there was not less than $15 worth of agrivation
left in the old cover, so I had them ship it, along with a new oil
seal and gaskets. And lo! when it arrived, they left the output shaft
bearing in it as well. And freebe stickers! I'm beginning to like
these guys.

I was a bit skeptical of the bearing that was in the replacement
housing, not knowing where its been. But after I got it cleaned up and
oiled, it spun as smooth as the one in the old housing, and there was
no scoring that I could see, so I couldn't find any reason not to
leave it in place.

The new cover was a bit different in other ways, the old one seemed to
have more milling, and there was no milling for the o-ring on the
hi-low shaft, so I assume that this might be from an older (SII?)
rover. The hole for the pivot pin was also in a different place,
further away from the pin, so I had to put a new hole in the arm.

The re-assembly was pretty straightforward. I just took it slow, kept
everything as clean as I could, and double checked everything. A long
2x4 placed between the motor cross member and the drive shaft flange
provided the required leverage to compress the large spring on the
hi-low selector shaft, and hold it in place to get the nuts on.

Yeah! Everything worked once reassembled. I had a tall cold one for
that :-)

Ok, so moving forward again.

Finishing the work I was doing to the gearbox, I replaced the two
reverse gate springs, and put a nice dolup of grease in there. Both of
the old springs were broken, and the gate frozen "up," so there was no
resistence going into reverse. I can tell that this is going to be
nice - I was always going into reverse instead of first...

As long as I had the clutch slave off, I cleaned it up and fitted
a new bleed screw before putting it back into place.

I continued the exhaust by fitting an original style intermediate
hanger, I'm still waiting on a couple of back-order parts for the
other hangers.

I officially began the brakes by fitting new wheel cylinders up front.
Remember the brakes? Thats what started all this... That was pretty
painless, but thank my friend Ed and my forethought for borrowing a

drum screws on the passenger side (driver side have been sheared off).
Inside the passenger drum I found the top spring had popped loose from
the leading shoe, but was otherwise ok. Not good, and corrected.

Bulkhead, cowling, a floor panel, and the vents are currently out for
paint. The vents were a last minute addition. I decided that I'd
either have to have the bulkhead match their faded color or get them
painted too, or else they'd look stupid. So I disconnected them on my
way over to the shop. $150 for the lot. Anyone want to comment on the
cost? I have no idea. I struck a "deal" with a local professional
paint shop, $50 for materials, and $100 for the painter, who's going
to do the job on his own time. Seemed reasonable to me (maybe a tish
high), but what do I know...

So, the plan for the week is keep working on the brakes, replacing the
rear wheel cylinders first and start running brake line - at least to
the back. Then its get some rubber and make new pads for the tub,
which I am planning to move on the weekend. Two ribs have separated on
one side, so I need to anchor them somehow (I'll likely just run some
screws through the floor in the back near the wheel well).

Once the tub is in, then its the bulkhead, windshield, and the top,
and then its finish the hydraulics and then on to electrical. Then
radiator, breakfast, get the wings repaired where the mud shields
mount, and drive away. Right? :-)

Tim

ps - Just to be optomistic, I got the map out and began looking up
State Forests, looking for places to go driving...
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW
'Hey! It may not look like much, but it's got it where it counts.'
  - Han Solo (with apologies)

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:53:03 -0400
Subject: Re: 2.25 l Oil Pressure Guage Banjo Bolts

Jeremy,

You are in the right place.  I just installed VDO gauges on my 2.25.  The
banjo bolt goes in line with the electric "idiot light" sender.  Remember to
use the copper crush washers at the filter housing and between all fittings.

BTW, I'm sure RN and BritPac will have the banjos.  Price should be around
$10.00 plus the cost of the washers.  Would be specific as to type of theads
wanted (metric, etc) or have them send you the unions to match your plastic
tube.  I was lucky, the banjo I got from Alan Richer fit the union sent with
the VDO installation kit.

'til later,

Larry Smith
'72 SWB Petrol - Grover
Chester, VA

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:33:57 -500
Subject: TUFSYN???

LRO,
Regarding the US IIA spare tire, can someone please explain what
"built with TUFSYN" means.  Is this some sort of secret acronym?
I once match raced against a Thistle dinghy named "FUJIMO".  Later,
I asked if the name was some sort of war cry and the owner said he
was in the midst of a divorce from someone named Jane.  
Mark

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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 13:50:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Rust control

On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote:

> But...but  reading from this list,,I thought that was exactly what the
> Ottawa club members did

	Not on the continuous basis required... :-)  To make this little
	electronic wonder work, we must park our vehicles in the goo,
	or ocean, so that it will work properly...  We do let our
	aluminium friends dry out between wettings.

	Rgds,

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:25:58 -0700
Subject: Re: Hydraulic Winch (long)

On Mon, 8 Apr 96, rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio) wrote:

>     The mag is fairly new and used to be "MuscleCars".
>     The current May 96 issue is Vol 2, No. 3. 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>     News stand in Grand Central Station in NYC.
>     Go figya.

I found a copy at the local Barnes and Noble (Danbury, CT) same place where you 
can get LRO and LRW if not sold out :)

Regards,
Eric 

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: HiLifts and Jackalls
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 96 15:53:00 DST

I'm told the reason these jacks are virtually identical is that the 
mechanisms both come from the same source, the Jackall company, in Canada. 
HIlift install the mechanism on their own post and base.  Got to thinking 
the other night after a couple of HiLift and slew extractions. What about 
making the jack post fit into a couple of giudes and locking it with clevis 
pins. Several sets of these strategically fitted around the vehicle and you 
could lift with one and then fit a dummy post in the others to support the 
vehicle almost anywhere you wanted.

Any ideas out there?

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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:02:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Re: a whole bunch of "undeliverable mail

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Date: 7 Apr 1996 03:11:24 -0800
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	  Contents:
    1 g@ix.netcom.com    Sat Apr  6 04:50   29/1078  Re: Jacking NAS Defenders
    2 lr999719@dutlism.l Sat Apr  6 08:43   57/2287  I'm baffled...
    3 Solihull@aol.com   Sat Apr  6 08:53   24/1269  Re: Hi-LiftJackInfoReques
    4 Solihull@aol.com   Sat Apr  6 08:53   23/1138  more cold start switch tr
    5 magnet@io.org      Sat Apr  6 09:44   33/1139  Re: more cold start switc
    6 jjbpears@ix.netcom Sat Apr  6 11:59   24/864   Dormobile Propane Mount L
    7 jjbpears@ix.netcom Sat Apr  6 12:07   31/1317  Pos. to Neg. Conversion -
    8 fourfold!rc@sandel Sat Apr  6 13:15   57/2412  Warn 8274 winch, help req
    9 landrvr@blacdisc.c Sat Apr  6 13:55   56/2435  Re: Pos. to Neg. Conversi
   10 landrvr@blacdisc.c Sat Apr  6 13:55   65/2489  Re: I'm baffled...
   11 rover@pinn.net     Sat Apr  6 14:22   36/1521  Dead guages
   12 newconcept@tcp.co. Sat Apr  6 15:35   36/1454  Re: Jacking NAS Defenders
   13 marknval@dreamscap Sat Apr  6 15:59   26/1161  Mutant seeks Rover
   14 jcwhite3@mail.well Sat Apr  6 16:09   32/1167  Re: I'm baffled...
   15 DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.C Sat Apr  6 16:23   35/1655  Re: Mutant seeks Rover
   16 jjbpears@ix.netcom Sat Apr  6 16:27   44/1602  Re: Pos. to Neg. Conversi
   17 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com Sat Apr  6 17:31   25/1327  MOD Tools
   18 rovahArovah.sdi.ag Sat Apr  6 17:58   27/1320  Politically incorrect spa
   19 daviscar@cris.com  Sat Apr  6 18:08   20/787   
   20 ASFCO@aol.com      Sat Apr  6 18:15   21/911   Re: Warn 8274 winch, help
   21 chrisste@clark.net Sat Apr  6 19:17   33/987   Re: Dead guages

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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Re: Jacking NAS Defenders; Hi-Lift or Jack-All
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 12:51:10 GMT

On Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:03:48 -0800, you wrote:
. . . .
>rear, there really are no great jacking points on the NAS D90.  The holes in
the 
>rear for the adapter, while exposed on U.K. D90s, are used as mounting points
by 
>the rear step/class III hitch on the NAS version.

Can you use the hitch receiver as a jacking point?

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: "Ferenc-Jan van Zijp" <f.j.a.vanzijp@lr.tudelft.nl>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 18:46:01 +0000
Subject: I'm baffled...

Dear Land-Rover owners,

I recently got bitten by the LR-bug and while getting used to this
latest whim of mine, I prepared myself for greasy fingers and 
scraped knuckles. I also hooked on to a great source of 
LR-related information, the divine Land-Rover Owner Mailinglist, 
expecting answers for simple souls like myself.

Au contraire. Since I'm reading the list I'm baffled by the high-tech 
level. I now realize I'll have to know how to coil a LR into the ARB-locker,
learn all about Lucas' addendum to the laws of physics and I'd better 
reserve a seat in a certain restaurant at the end of the galaxy. All 
this just for changing a rear tyre, mind you. Knowing how many cans 
of beer go into a carton or case in various countries is essential when I 
want to order spares.

What should I do? Forget the whole thing and focus on a plain and 
simple japanese 4x4?

Confusedly yours,

Ferenc

PS Just *why* does a _very_ british car have so much devotees in 
America? Why aren't you all into V8's & cubic inches, like normal 
american car buffs?

BTW the Roverweb-FAQ is GREAT. I've printed the how-to-buy-a-used-LR 
section and intend to go over it line by line when buying a used LR. 
Just what will the used-LR-seller think? 

BTW II: I laughed my head off over the anti-FAQ!

'Why think about the weather when lights are low.'

                                        - Sarah Vaughan

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:54:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Hi-LiftJackInfoRequest

I first came to know the highlift as the sheepherders jack. Real handy but
not too steady. I've pulled engines, stretched fences, removed stumps and, oh
yes! jacked up a Rover or two. They come in two common lengths; 48 and 60
inches, with cast or stamped foot. There seem to be two brands; one is
canadian the other is indianan. See adverts in US 4wd magazines, among other
places. I traded a VW windscreen for mine. :-) Cheers!
                                        ,,,,,,,
 John Dillingham, Woodstock, GA 73 s3 SWB (cobblers child, awaiting engine
rebuild) 72 s3 SWB parts truck, 66 s2a SWB soft top (being babysat for a
friend/customer) Vintage Rover Servicexsince 1994, over half a dozen
satisfied customers!!

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:54:59 -0500
Subject: more cold start switch trivia

The little triangular piece on the head is also referred to as an otter valve
(switch?) Anyone know why it got that name? Pretty useless. Lights an idiot
light, to tell you to push your choke cable in. (as far as I knowxmine never
worked) The three screws are whitworth, so if you lose one or bugger one up,
you're up the creek in a wire boat. Cheers!
,,,,,,,
 John Dillingham, Woodstock, GA 73 s3 SWB (cobblers child, awaiting engine
rebuild) 72 s3 SWB parts truck, 66 s2a SWB soft top (being babysat for a
friend/customer) Vintage Rover Servicexsince 1994, over half a dozen
satisfied customers!!

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:43:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Bill Daddis <magnet@io.org>
Subject: Re: more cold start switch trivia

On Sat, 6 Apr 1996 Solihull@aol.com wrote:

> The little triangular piece on the head is also referred to as an otter
valve
> (switch?) Anyone know why it got that name? 

Perhaps because it's made by a company called Otter Control, Ltd.? ;-)

Cheers!

               -- BD

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Bill Daddis -- Aurora, Ontario, Canada -- magnet@io.org
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:59:31 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Dormobile Propane Mount Location?

Can anyone out there tell me where the propane rack for Dormobiles is 
mounted?  
Is it under the front seats? This seems a bit far from the gas's 
destination.
I have one I'm intending to mount on my 109.

TIA.

Jeremy

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:11:34 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Pos. to Neg. Conversion - Again

Sorry, I know I asked about this a while ago and I know its come up 
since.  Unfortunately the disk I saved the relevant advice and responses 
to is now apparently unreadable (AAARGH!).

Since I'm about to do a + to - conversion I was hoping someone wouldn't 
mind reposting the appropriate alterations.

I know the battery terminals get switched :), but I'm a bit hazy on what 
else is required.  The vehicle (109 SW SIIA) has an Delco alternator fit 
to it (following Alan Richer's instructions - Thanks Alan - at least I 
could recover that post) so repolarizing the generator isn't needed 
(wasn't that part of it?).

Cheers and thanks again (and again and ...),

Jeremy

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Subject: Warn 8274 winch, help reqd.
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 96 15:25:03 -0500

I have just got my hands on a Warn 8274 winch. This is the one that was 
for quite a while the Camel Trophy winch of choice.

I am in the future going to be mounting it on a NAS D90. No I didnt sell 
the mrs and kids and buy one this is for a friend.

I have the winch at home in the basement and am cleaning it up. I am 
struck by the lack of a grease fitting for the non powered end of the 
drum, anyone deoe a mod and put one in?

I am also looking for a copy of the manual / service books. Also I am 
looking for the phone number for Warn parts and tech line if any one has 
it.

I would also like to hear from any 8274 owners with any hints on 
operation and any idiosyncracies that I should watch out for.

I will  be making the winch mount to resemble the NAS D 90 bumper but 
more sturdy and capable of doing the job, and most likely to take the 
indicators aswell althought we have thought about making the orange 
clearance lights beside the head lights take that function over with some 
re wiring.

I addition the new bumper once fabricated will be galvanised for 
corrosion resistance.

Epect to see the finished item at the OVLR Birthday party, that is as 
long as our associate members are allowed to attend, that is, grin grin!!
:-) 

TTFN

Robin

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:55:03 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Pos. to Neg. Conversion - Again

Jeremy says......

>Since I'm about to do a + to - conversion I was hoping someone wouldn't 
>mind reposting the appropriate alterations.
-

OK.... but this is absolutely the last time....   :)

You have already installed the Delco so I'm going to assume that you have
also bypassed the now useless voltage regulator... (You did say that you had
Al "Rover God" Richer's instructions, right?)

So, what you have left to do is this:
1. If you have an ammeter, you will need to reverse the wires connected to
it. You may also want to consider investing in a higher capacity ammeter as
the Rover one only reads to 30A and the Delco alternator should have at
least a 60A output. I've never had any problems with mine, but rumor has it
that others have had problems.
2. You will need to reverse the two small wires attached to the ignigtion
coil. Well, you don't really have to, but you will get a hotter spark if the
coil polarity is correct.
3. You *may* need to fiddle with the 12V accessory plug in the dash. Make
sure the ground wire attaches to the black terminal, the hot wire is on the
red terminal and everything (especially the red terminal) is insulated well.
There are little phenolic washers and cardboard seperators on the back side
of the dash. Check this bit out well - if it is wired improperly you could
fry some wires.

You DO NOT have to do anything with the wiper motors, heater motor or lights.

You should not have to do anything with the fuel guage or sender unless
someone has changed one of the components for a newer style one. 

That's it! Hook it all up, drop a battery in and check for sparks! 

Cheers
Mike
  

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:55:06 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: I'm baffled...

Ferenec sez....

>Au contraire. Since I'm reading the list I'm baffled by the high-tech 
>level. I now realize I'll have to know how to coil a LR into the ARB-locker,
>learn all about Lucas' addendum to the laws of physics and I'd better 
>reserve a seat in a certain restaurant at the end of the galaxy. All 
-

Ahhh... If you can't dazzel them with brilliance, baffel them with bullshit!

>this just for changing a rear tyre, mind you. Knowing how many cans 
>of beer go into a carton or case in various countries is essential when I 
>want to order spares.
-

Important stuff, that, with the world's economy in the state it's in..

>What should I do? Forget the whole thing and focus on a plain and 
>simple japanese 4x4?
-

WHAT!  HERESY!!  BLASPHEMY!!!  We'll have absolutely none of that sort of
language here. Just for that, no pudding for you.

>PS Just *why* does a _very_ british car have so much devotees in 
>America? Why aren't you all into V8's & cubic inches, like normal 
>american car buffs?
-

Probably because none of us are normal. Why should we follow the crowd,
anyway? 

>BTW the Roverweb-FAQ is GREAT. I've printed the how-to-buy-a-used-LR 
>section and intend to go over it line by line when buying a used LR. 
>Just what will the used-LR-seller think? 
-

If he's daft enough to sell his Rover, who cares what he he thinks. Unless,
of course, he has a bunch of other Rovers. 

Cheers
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>         1964 Triumph Spitfire - BRG

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:22:47 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Dead guages

David Olley wrote:
>For two years, my wife's mini was equipped like that when the fuel sender 
>seized.  I gave here a nice stick to use - and she didn't complain....

The guage in my brothers '66 Chevy pickup crapped out.  For a while, he used 
the stick method, 'til he dropped it in one time.  Now, when he hears the 
stick *stop* banging about, he knows he has about four miles to go....

Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 00:36:41 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Jacking NAS Defenders; Hi-Lift or Jack-All

Gerald wrote:
> Can you use the hitch receiver as a jacking point?

Yes, but only if you get one person each side to stop the vehicle moving 
sideways.

The jack has NO stability, especially when lifting the centre of the 
crossmember - both rear wheels will be off the ground.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 19:00:56 -0500 (EST)
From: marknval@dreamscape.com (mark lowry)
Subject: Mutant seeks Rover

I would like to purchase a 1974 Series III 88.  However, at 6'6", it seems
I am a touch too large to fit comfortably in it.  I know I can't move the
seats back.  I thought about adjusting the gas pedal so it's closer to the
floor and modifying the parking brake so I can hang my knee to the right.
How about a Series IIa dash - would that buy me a couple of extra inches?
Is there any hope short of surgery?

Thanks, Mark

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:09:43 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: I'm baffled...

At 18:46 06.04.96 +0000, Ferenc-Jan van Zijp wrote:

>PS Just *why* does a _very_ british car have so much devotees in 
>America? Why aren't you all into V8's & cubic inches, like normal 
>american car buffs?

And all Dutch people live in windmills, raise tulips and wear wooden shoes,
no?

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery (North American Specification, which includes a 3.9 liter V8)
San Francisco, California

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Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 19:24:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: Mutant seeks Rover

Mark,

> I would like to purchase a 1974 Series III 88.  However, at 6'6", it seems
> I am a touch too large to fit comfortably in it.  I know I can't move the
> seats back.  I thought about adjusting the gas pedal so it's closer to the
> floor and modifying the parking brake so I can hang my knee to the right.

    Buy a Series II (not IIA)- the Parking brake is parallel to the
    floor and almost down on it when released (and only about as high as
    the center tunnel when actuated).  Of course the seat will still be
    too close...  (Actually, have you tried driving one?  I would think the
    legs would be less of a problem than the fact that you'd have to
    hunch down to see out the windshield!)

    Duncan, with a 1960 SII 88

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:26:24 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Pos. to Neg. Conversion - Again

You wrote: 
>You have already installed the Delco so I'm going to assume that you have
>also bypassed the now useless voltage regulator... (You did say that you had
>Al "Rover God" Richer's instructions, right?)

Correct

>So, what you have left to do is this:
snip
>3. You *may* need to fiddle with the 12V accessory plug in the dash. Make
>sure the ground wire attaches to the black terminal, the hot wire is on the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>of the dash. Check this bit out well - if it is wired improperly you could
>fry some wires.

I just recently took these apart cleaned and reinstalled, so this should be
OK. 
 I guess I wasn't paying enough attention though, I'd have sworn the separator

was leather rather than cardboard.

snip
>Cheers
>Mike

Many thanks for the rapid response.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:32:46 -0500
Subject: MOD Tools

I just received the latest catalog of surplus odds & ends from U.S. Calvary.
Amongst assorted  surplus stuff, including some ex-Brit. Army items, is a
shovel and pick tool set " with British MOD markings ..etc...used on
jeeps.etc..until the '90s" (their words more or less) that looks like the
tool set used on military LRs and sold elsewhere for $150. These tools are
used, but they only want $27.95. I ordered a set.(I can hear it now you paid
what for THAT!) The order taker reported that they still had 327 sets in
stock as of 12:00 today. When mine comes I'll post a report. I just need  to
figure out where to mount them in a 83 Rangie.
A Happy Easter/Passover/Holiday to all. Cheers. Andy Blackley. 
P.S. If  someone dosent have a catalog Email me a fax number I ll send you a
copy of the relavent page.

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:59:02 -0500 (EST)
From: rovahArovah.sdi.agate.net@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Politically incorrect spare tire covers!

Was in the local salvage/discout store yesterday and saw a whole rack of
very nicely printed spare tire covers with the image  of "Joe Camel"(in a
Jeep unfortunately! :-(  ) holding out a pack of Camel cigarettes to any
takers.  The cover is all in color and would surely be a hit at the next
PTA meeting or medical convention! ;-)   They are $3.99/each...I doubt
anyone would want one, but as I  said, they are nicely done(except for the
Jeep!)...if you want one, E-mail me and I'll get you one!

Cheers!   John Cassidy   Bangor, Maine

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From: daviscar@cris.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:09:35 -0500 (EST)

which  daviscar@cris.com

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:17:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Warn 8274 winch, help reqd.

Robin;    Warn  Tech line 1-800-543-9276
     I have the same winch on my lla...service manual is a 2 sheet exploded
view of all parts and numbers..if they won't send you one I will make a copy
of mine and mail it to you.
there is no model specific operations manual only a generic one...
Rgds
Steve    72 S lll 88
            68 S lla  88                       

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 22:18:44 -0500 (EST)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Re: Dead guages

I dropped a golf ball in the tank of my CJ-2A. When I could hear it rolling
around i knew it was time to fill up

_____________________________
BCG Corporate Communications
1512 West Joppa Road
Towson, MD USA
Voice: 410-583-1722
Fax: 410-583-1935
E-Mail: chrisste@clark.net
1969 SRIIa 88" SW

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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:09:27 -0400
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: Not Rover, but important. (was Re: Undeliverable Message)

> A message returned from a
>full maibox (because someone forgot to unsubscribe before going on holiday) is
>received by the major as a normal posting and re-sent to all subscribers,
>including the full one, which is returned ad infinitum. Is that correct?

>I don't mind deleting over 200 messages, but a download time of 30 minutes is
>expensive here.

Unfortunately, I was out of town this weekend so EMAIL wasn't checked and
these messages piled up on my ISP's server.  When the accumulated messages
reached 5MB, my disk allocation, my account froze (but I don't think it
kicked anything back to the list) and I was unable to check EMAIL until
late this afternoon (after finally getting "tech support" to acknowledge
that I had a problem).  Between the lack of incoming EMAIL from a clients,
and the time spent with technical support to straighten things out, I've
basically lost an entire day.  Also I know of at least two personal
messages that never arrived, and am concerned that others (more important
business stuff) may also have gotten lost.

I know that nobody did this on purpose, but I hope people will be
extra-careful about unsubscribing if they're going to be away for awhile.
For my part, I'm considering seperating LRO_list from my business email by
opening a second account.  Unfortunately, this means LRO will be checked
less frequently, as I can only be online with once account at a time.

Thanks for listening.  I feel better.

RoverOn!

JAB

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                         jeff@purpleshark.com
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               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 14:09:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Randolph Rose <rsrose@cco.caltech.edu>
Subject: Re: 2.25 l Oil Pressure Guage Banjo Bolts

On Sun, 7 Apr 1996, Jeremy Bartlett wrote:

> OK I'm full of questions today (and probably other stuff too :) ).
> I've started hunting around for the appropriate fittings to attach a 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> another matter though.  Surprisingly (or not?) the thread on the banjo 
> bolt where the tube fits appears to be either BSF or Whitworth - at 

Since it's fliud related, I'd gues it to be Whitworth.

You can get 3/8 banjo fittings that will fit right in, but I was about
to when I noticed that the Rover fitting has a restrictor with a pinhole
pressed into the outlet.  This comes in handy if you rupture the hose; it 
limits the discharge.  Mine discharged into my dash and over my feet, if 
you wonder if does happen!  I didn't want to fashion another plug to fit 
the new fitting, so I salvaged the hose ends and attached them to new 
stainless-braid-over-rubber hose.  Later got a LR genuine replacement, 
although the fabricated hose never let me down.

Randy

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:15:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Low Beam Too Bright?

<<TeriAnn Wrote:
And you can move to the US West coast where most LR
owners have stopped waving.  Most of the vast Defender, Range Rover,
discovery crowd not only never learned to wave but couldn't identify a
series Land Rover without reading the faded badge...>>

Likewise here in South Florida (Miami Beach to be more precise). Not only
have they never learned to wave, but they also suffer from
"horse-blinder-ism." An odd affliction that keeps the eyes locked on some
imaginary spot straight ahead. Seems to me that it affects Disco and Rangie
owners most (maybe they just can't identify any other form of LR). I'll get
an occasional wave from D90 owners (some of whom seem to be able to identify
my D110). 

I've approached a couple of D90 owners to let them know about this list, BP &
RN but they don't seem too interested in meeting other LROs. Maybe the dealer
has them brainwashed...  The real kicker was when I saw (for the first time)
another 110 exactly like mine on the same road. I may as well have been
driving a _________ (pick your evil: Isuzu-Honda-Toyota-Jeep...). 

Wave On, Low Beamers...

pat.
93  110

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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:34:33 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Camel Trophy Update

April 6 - With only about two hour's sleep, the US team again found 
themselves in the recce unit, teamed up with South Africa, Greece, Russia 
and the Canary islands.  The first major obstacle was a washed-out bridge 
that was beyond repair.  Bypassing it by driving down into the river and 
winching up the other side, the recce team continued onward, while the 
reaminder of the convoy reamined behind until everyone could be winched across.

The scout group repaired several more bridges before arriving at Sungai 
Barito, a major river crossing and bridge of 30 meters.  TUnfortunately, the 
bridge had been destroyed less than a week earlier by floods.  Though the 
team worked for several hours to get a vehicle across, it was deemed futile, 
and it was decided to detour 3 km upstream and call in the raft unit.

Meanwhile, back at the bridge bypass, things were going from bad to worse.  
A severe thunderstorm destroyed the vehicles' exit route from the river and 
mud flows were making the crossing almost impossible.  Work will continue 
through the night to catch up with the lead units at the rafting point.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
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Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 14:44:30 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Low Beam Too Bright?

At 05:15 PM 4/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
:Likewise here in South Florida (Miami Beach to be more precise). Not
:only have they never learned to wave, but they also suffer from
:"horse-blinder-ism." An odd affliction that keeps the eyes locked on
:some imaginary spot straight ahead. Seems to me that it affects Disco
:and Rangie owners most.

 Some people just have to concentrate and keep both hands on the wheel
 when driving such powerful machines.  Then again, maybe they are just
 preoccupied with thoughts of how they are going to make their next
 lease payment  :)

 Cheers,
                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Subject: Re: Low Beam Too Bright? 
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 15:13:08 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <bulk.6926.19960408141424@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you wrote:

> <<TeriAnn Wrote:
> And you can move to the US West coast where most LR
> owners have stopped waving.  

Pat wrote:
> Likewise here in South Florida (Miami Beach to be more precise). Not only
> have they never learned to wave, but they also suffer from
> "horse-blinder-ism." An odd affliction that keeps the eyes locked on some
> imaginary spot straight ahead. 

	I've noticed the same thing.  Yesterday as I was driving back to the
desert from LA, I passed 5 Range Rover classics, 4 Discovieries and a Range
Rover (mkII).  I waved a most of them.  For a few I just watched them and 
would have waved if they had taken their eyes off of that "imaginary spot."
And, as Murphy would have it, one Disco (a green one) looked my way, but my 
hands were full so I couldn't wave.  (On this stretch of road, I rarely see any
Rovers so seeing 10 was a big deal.

Pat wrote:
> I've approached a couple of D90 owners to let them know about this list, BP &
> RN but they don't seem too interested in meeting other LROs. Maybe the dealer
> has them brainwashed...  

	Most D90s owers that I've met seemed to like meeting other LROs.  
Personally, I think a much larger proportion of D90 owners want to meet
other LROs than Disco and Rangie oweners.  It's just not everyone's cup of
tea.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 18:51:18 -0400
From: GMA <calvin-gm@granite.mv.net>
Subject: unsubscribe

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:00:14 -0900
From: scholes@modemss.brisnet.org.au (David  R Scholes)
Subject: Gauze Filter in Fuel Tank Extension Pipe

My SIII SWB is fitted with an extension pipe to the fuel tank that pulls
out when you fill 'er up. At the bottom is a wire gauze to filter out any
large bits of junk. The gauze in mine is broken and as I'd like to do some
trips into dry and dusty places using fuel stored in jerrycans I'd like to
fix it if I can. I got the extension out (it just twists out) but the pipe
and gauze filter seem to be a one piece thing. Is this true or is there
some cunning way to extract and replace the gauze.

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Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:00:27 -0900
From: scholes@modemss.brisnet.org.au (David  R Scholes)
Subject: Strange Bolt-type thingy

Can anyone tell me what the strange bolt type attachment is in my SIII SWB.
It's centrally mounted on the pillar that divides the bulkhead behind the
front seats. It looks a bit like the antenna on a Dalek for any Dr Who
fans:<) I thought it must be for the spare wheel but it doesn't seem to be
in the right place nor does it hold the spare wheel securely. Can some one
save from sleepless nights trying to work out what it's for?

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Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 19:09:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: Low Beam Too Bright?

> Likewise here in South Florida (Miami Beach to be more precise). Not only
> have they never learned to wave, but they also suffer from
> "horse-blinder-ism." An odd affliction that keeps the eyes locked on some
> imaginary spot straight ahead. Seems to me that it affects Disco and Rangie
> owners most (maybe they just can't identify any other form of LR). I'll get

    The most surreal situation I've ever experienced:

    I was just getting into my 88, at the entrance end of a dead-end
    parking lot.  A 93 D110 with Arizona plates (I'm in VA) came into
    the parking lot.  I waved, but he didn't see me.  I walked back into
    the parking lot, alongside him (he was driving slowly, looking for a
    spot), waving and kind of expecting him to stop and say hi...or at
    least see what I wanted!  No dice.  He came to the end of the lot,
    up against the stores and discovered there were no empty spaces.  I
    walked back into an open handicapped spot, waiting for him to turn
    around since surely THEN he would stop and say hi, and I could ask
    him about his vehicle, and...  In turning around, he needed to use
    that handicapped spot.  He drove into it, still pretending complete
    oblivion to my existence.  I waved at him again (remember, I'm two
    feet directly in front of his car, on foot) and he just kept slowly
    coming.  I literally had to jump out of the way to keep from being
    HIT.  He backed out in the other direction and proceeded to drive
    out of the parking lot and down the street to look for a space.

    Thoroughly disgusted, I got in my 88 and left.  I mean, this was
    beyond snubbing an owner of an older LR, this was total disdain for
    fellow human beings!  Amazing.

    Duncan, very nearly with Michelin tread marks on his toes.

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From: "S. Vels" <svels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date:          Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:21:48 +0001
Subject:       Re: Rust control

? But...but  reading from this list,,I thought that was exactly what the
? Ottawa club members did
!	Not on the continuous basis required... :-)  To make this little
!	electronic wonder work, we must park our vehicles in the goo,
!	or ocean, so that it will work properly...  We do let our
!	aluminium friends dry out between wettings.

Park the goo on the vehicle like the rest of us. Then you can drive 
around instead of sitting and watching electrons fly. Taking the goo 
with you is also good should you suddenly need some.

Best regards
sv/aurens

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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:06:51 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure Guage Thread

This might be a duplicate post (the system crashed when I was sending and I'm 
not sure what if anything made it out.  My apologies if it is.

Thanks to those who chipped in on the oil pressure guage question.  I've found 
2 solutions to the connection of the 1/8" aftermarket tubing to the oil filter 
area on 2.25l engines.

GENERAL SOLUTION [courtesy of RN] Swap the original male "banjo" for a 
female.  Screw the oil pressure sender into the female "banjo".  Retap 
the adaptor (where the pressure sender had been) for 1/4" standard pipe 
fittings and then use adaptors as necessary to fit the oil pressure 
guage tubing fitting.
WARNING - I'm certain this is what was described and it makes sense, 
but I've not (yet?) done it, so check first (ideally with RN).  Chris 
(?) said he'd done many conversions like this.

SOLUTION FOR MY PART [courtesy of WK Hydraulics in Concord].  The 
thread on my male banjo (which sounds like the original optional 
equipment according to BP and RN - but no guarantees) is 7/16" 20 not 
one of the British standard threads (as I had assumed after several 
non-fit experiments).  (Perhaps it isn't orignal after all?)  They were 
able to supply adaptors to fit it and then the 1/8 NPT tube compression 
fitting.  Looks like it should work.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@sparky.transdata.ca>
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:06:37 -0400

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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 96 20:22:31 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:: a whole bunch of "undeliverable mail

Chris,
That was my address at work that screwed up. No one has been able to tell 
me why as of yet. Everything was fine up thru Saturday night.
Sorry for the junk, but I have no explanation.
Cheers,
Barnett

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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 96 20:29:40 -0400
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Not Rover, but important. (was Re: Undeliverable Message)

Jeff,
I said it already but...once again because I feel like a heel! My address 
at work screwed up somehow. All was fine when I accessed my mail via modem 
Saturday night. I was not on vacation, and I read and delete my mail 
daily. No one at work can give me an answer as to what actually happened.

Again my sincere apology to all.
Barnett

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From: Treski@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:32:06 -0400
Subject: Re: PLEASE DROP whoever is bouncing undeliverables

Yea   no  SH_T        who the FU_k  is doing this!!  i am losing other mail
due to your darn   prank!!!!     STOP   PLEASE!!!!!!!

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From: "C. Paul Patsis" <cpaulp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: No mail
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:46:15 -0700

Never received any mail on April 8. Is there a problem with the LRO Digest or is it my server? Help!

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:17:46 -0400
Subject: Re: MOD Tools, US Cavalry

I dont think it includes any mounting hardware. As you know Rovers North has
that stuff..
The Item # is J15948   $27.95    cat.# J148. The number to call is
1-800-777-7732.
Cheers. Andy

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:33:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Rust control

>the J C Whitney catalogue lists an 'Electronic rust control system"
> Anyone got any advise / experience to offer on the usefulness of such
>systems ?
> Are they any use on older vehicles which have already started to rust ?

These could be far worse than useless. Introducing stray electrical currents
into a mixed metal system which is potentially wet, and even worse wet with
salt water, will likely cause all sorts of nasty electrolysis unless every
thing balances just right.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:48:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Rust control

On Mon, 8 Apr 1996 Wdcockey@aol.com wrote:

> These could be far worse than useless. Introducing stray electrical currents
> into a mixed metal system which is potentially wet, and even worse wet with
> salt water, will likely cause all sorts of nasty electrolysis unless every
> thing balances just right.

	The problem arises because there isn't uniform distribution of 
	electrical current on the frame.  If there was, vis a ship, you
	could use sacrificial blocks attached to the frame for stop
	corrosion.  Since the currents are not equal, it won't work.

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:51:58 -0400
Subject: U.S.Cavalry

This company puts out a slick catalog and often has some good buys, but not
always. I dont want to give them an unqualified endorsement. Recentlly I
returned a jacket which I thought was truly below par for the price. When the
tools come I'll report. Let the buyer beware. They do have a URL:
http://www.uscav.com  OR set your  browser to U.S. Cavalry (not misspelt U.S.
Calvary like I did - you get a lot of churches! it was Good Friday after all)
I dont know if a pic. of the tools in in there since this rickety network
patched together by AOL keeps dropping me like a hot sparkplug. Good luck.
Andy Blackley

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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 17:15:44 -1000 (HST)
From: Pat Guerin <pat@puka.com>
Subject: Not Rover, Undeliverable Messages

Okay, like everyone else I got hit with a lot of mail also.  According to 
the error it stated that your "mailbox" was full with 1000 messages and 
could not accept any more.  If someone still has the error message they 
should forward a copy....

I get my e-mail sent to my alpha pager....I recevied 2400 pages this 
weekend most of it due to the bounced messages.  Gee maybe a new record?

pat  

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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:16:16 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Low Beam Too Bright? 

Yet more on waving...

>> And you can move to the US West coast where most LR
>> owners have stopped waving.  
-
>> Likewise here in South Florida (Miami Beach to be more precise). Not only
>> have they never learned to wave, but they also suffer from
>> "horse-blinder-ism." An odd affliction that keeps the eyes locked on some
>> imaginary spot straight ahead. 
-
>	I've noticed the same thing.  Yesterday as I was driving back to the
>desert from LA, I passed 5 Range Rover classics, 4 Discovieries and a Range
>Rover (mkII).  I waved a most of them. 
-

I've got the solution to get thier attention.... I wave and look for signs
of recognigtion.. If they ignore me I aim for the buggers. That usually
wakes 'em up fast. Eyes big as saucers. 8-O

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:16:18 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Strange Bolt-type thingy

David asks...

>Can anyone tell me what the strange bolt type attachment is in my SIII SWB.
 It's centrally mounted on the pillar that divides the bulkhead behind the
 front seats. It looks a bit like the antenna on a Dalek for any Dr Who
 fans:<) I thought it must be for the spare wheel but it doesn't seem to be
>in the right place nor does it hold the spare wheel securely.

Exterminate - Exterminate

Yup, sounds just like the bolt-thingy that holds the spare in place. You're
probably missing the plate thingy and the wing-nut thingy to go with it all.
You put the wheel up against the bulkhead, put the bolt through the hole in
the center, put the plate on the bolt and hold it all in place with the
wing-nut. The plate is about 6 inches long and 2 inches wide and has little
ears on one side that let it "lock" into place in the wheel. Works fine,
lasts a long time.

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:16:14 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: HiLifts and Jackalls

Trevor sez...

>I'm told the reason these jacks are virtually identical is that the 
 mechanisms both come from the same source, the Jackall company, in Canada. 
 HIlift install the mechanism on their own post and base.  Got to thinking 
 the other night after a couple of HiLift and slew extractions. What about 
 making the jack post fit into a couple of giudes and locking it with clevis 
 pins. Several sets of these strategically fitted around the vehicle and you 
 could lift with one and then fit a dummy post in the others to support the 
>vehicle almost anywhere you wanted.
-

Obviously, you had too much chocolate for Easter...

I can just picture your Land Rover up in the air on a bunch of wobbly stilts.
Ai-yi-yi....

Cheers
Mike

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:32:49 -0400
Subject: re:kudos Barnett

Nobody had much fun ripping out hair and calling their servers frantically 
after spending an hour or more cleaning out their mail boxes full of bounced 
trash.

But thanks Barnett for posting us all with your explanation. S..t happens as 
we all know. The great part is that Barnett got on with some accountability as 
soon as he knew about it! *THIS* is what the list should be!! Responsibility! 
Cool! 

So at least we don't have to go to sleep tonight wondering about what demon 
*daemon* is lurking around waiting to sabotage our daily dose of LRO!! O.k. - 
back to normal. My BP just dropped major points as my cleaned up mailbox has 
stayed clean!

Thanks, Barnett.

cheerz
Jim - back and loving it!

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A lightweight
`68 2B 110 F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 19:47:39 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: PLEASE DROP whoever is bouncing undeliverables

To "treski@aol.com":   At 08:32 PM 4/8/96 -0400, you wrote:

>Yea   no  SH_T        who the FU_k  is doing this!!  i am losing other mail
>due to your darn   prank!!!!     STOP   PLEASE!!!!!!!

First, a person with even minimal experience with mailing lists would know
the bouncing mail was most likely inadvertent.  

Second, a person who bothered to look at the email address of the person ho
was bouncing mail (Barnett Childress) and had been on this list for even a
brief while would recognize Barnett's name and would be aware he is not a
person who would deliberately foul up the list.

Third, and this is what upsets me the most, a person with the slightest
taste would know this is a "G" - rated list and that we try very hard not to
swear or insult other list members.

Since you fail all three tests, in my opinion it is you who should be
ejected from the list.  Or violently embarrassed at the least.

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From: "C. Paul Patsis" <cpaulp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: LRO Shop in North America
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:26:46 -0700

I recently learned that the LRO Shop, a book, video and merchandise =
store associated with LRO Magazine, has come to North America. All of =
the items available in LRO Magazine are now available on this side of =
the pond from LRO North America which is located in Canada. I recently =
purchased some video tapes and a few other items and was quite pleased =
with their service.  They can be reached by telephone at 888.576.7467 or =
via e-mail at:
lroshop@idirect.com

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From: Sekerere@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:33:40 -0400
Subject: AZ -LRO

Dave Brown, or anyone of the AZ-lro out there. What is going on on the
weekend of April 28, or around there? I heard something about a Land Rover
run???

Cheers

Chris
Hoping the "Beast" will be back by then

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Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:43:52 -0700
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: No mail

At 18:46 08.04.96 -0700, C. Paul Patsis wrote:
>Never received any mail on April 8. Is there a problem with the LRO Digest

or is it my server? Help!
>Never received any mail on April 8. Is there a problem with the LRO Digest
It's probably just as well.  Another subscriber's e-mail elves failed him,
and caused everything sent to his box to be bounced back to the list, which
sent the bounces out to everyone on the list including the offending server,
which bounced them back to the list, which sent the bounces out to everyone
on the list including the offending server, which bounced them back to the
list, which sent the bounces...  By the time the e-mail storm cleared, I had
almost 400 messages (about 6MB).

Count yourself lucky.

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California

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Subject: Re: Low Beam Too Bright? 
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 21:48:55 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Ben Smith wrote:
> >	I've noticed the same thing.  Yesterday as I was driving back to the
> >desert from LA, I passed 5 Range Rover classics, 4 Discovieries and a Range
> >Rover (mkII).  I waved a most of them. 

Mike L. responded:
> I've got the solution to get thier attention.... I wave and look for signs
> of recognigtion.. If they ignore me I aim for the buggers. That usually
> wakes 'em up fast. Eyes big as saucers. 8-O

	I was mostly on a divided highway at the time so it is a little hard
to aim at them.  What surprised me is that I actually noticed a Range Rover
(mkII).  They look so much like "normal" cars that I tend to miss them.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Subject: Re: kudos Barnett 
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 21:53:28 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Jim Pappas wrote:
  
> Nobody had much fun ripping out hair and calling their servers frantically 
> after spending an hour or more cleaning out their mail boxes full of bounced 
> trash.

	Hours?   I guess it's time for a shamless plug for RAND's mh program
(for those of you in the unix world).  A simple:

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Subject: bounced mail...
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 04:06:05 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Hi  y'all,
	well, I'm sure all noticed the 367 bounced pieces of mail...

	oh well, Majordomo has been given liberal instructions to drop any
mail from root (that means you sys admins too!), mailer-daemon or Postmaster.
(at least for the lro-lists and digest), so if the digest blows up this 
morning you'll know I made a typo...

	a much abbreviated digest will be sent about as it should have been.
-B

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