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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 07:10:40 -500
Subject: TheGodsMustBeCrazy

LROwners,
Tonight, I will again watch "The Gods Must Be Crazy".  Why is it that 
when I watch the film it reinforces all the reasons to own a LR and yet it
convinces my wife that there is no reason whatsoever to own a LR? 

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Tom=E1s_Parreira?= <jparreira@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: SIII Winch
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:13:54 +-200

I have a SIII and I would like to install a winch. The problem is that I
don't want to 'spoil' the front look of my Landy, that is, NO BULLBAR.
Does any of you Rovers ever faced this problem? If you have any solution
let me know.

Happy Rovering :-)

********************************************
* Joao Parreira	| jparreira@mail.telepac.pt
* INTELLECTOR Ltd.
* I.T. Consultant
* 1980 LR 88' SIII
********************************************

LAND ROVER'S FIRST
BECAUSE LAND ROVERS LAST! :-)

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  5 Apr 96  8:31:53 EST
Subject: Re: TheGodsMustBeCrazy

>LROwners,
>Tonight, I will again watch "The Gods Must Be Crazy".  Why is it that 
>when I watch the film it reinforces all the reasons to own a LR and yet it
>convinces my wife that there is no reason whatsoever to own a LR? 

Because you identify with the romance of owning the damned Rover, and she 
identifies with the woman seeing the idiot hoist it into a baobab tree....

    ajr

P,.S.: PLEASE put spaces in your subject lines... they are difficult to read... 
-ajr
 

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 08:49:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Four Wheeler Top Truck Voting

In a message dated 96-04-04 13:58:19 EST, you write:

>Send in those voting forms
>Cheers
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>John Brabyn
>89RR

I did, I even voted for the D90.

John, d90, madison, wi
N9EJC

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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 23:30:43 +0900
From: Alan Logue <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Re: Solihull Tours, ARC attendees

I called the plant on a visit to the UK some 3 years ago and managed to get
into a group of Range Rover owners who were going to watch their vehicles
being made. Only problem was the RR line was shut down!!

We still didi the full tour and it was great.

The contact name i had was Vin Hammersley - I think he is a PR manager or
similar. Anyway we had quite a talk to him, and he has been helpful to other
members of our club who have gone to the UK

Alan Logue
EXARMY109FFRMP

At 17:15 4/4/96 -0800, you wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Yes, they are available...I just took one a couple days ago :)  The problem is 
>that there's a fifteen month waiting list!  If you're alone though and you
call 
>up, they might be able to squeeze you in.  I haven't unpacked yet but when
I do, 
>I'll get the proper name and number to contact.  Definitely worthwile if
you can 
>arrange it.
>Regards,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Regards,
>Eric

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 09:08:31 -0500
Subject: Not LR; Re: Other Rover Lists; 'Road'

Sandy Grice asked-

Could someone please forward me the addresses of the other Rover lists.

 Rovernet's ("Road" Rovers, not Land) address is:
                  rovernet@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu

Just a few days ago, it was announced on there that the British Invasion at
Stowe, Vt., will introduce a Rover sedan class this year(October). Anyone who
needs info could contact me, but preferably Rovernet, as anything I will
know, I'll most likely have learned from there. Vehicle entry and support of
the new class is being strongly encouraged...
see ya on the old road...
Jim '60 P5  Mk1 LHD 4 spd w/OD (628000165)   "Olive(r)"
       '68 P6 SC Auto
       '68 P6 TC
       '61 LR 88" SW  w/ 16's, OD 1 Bbl weber (econobox?)  "Nicky"
       '84 RR  
LR...quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!  
       

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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 06:31:47 -0800
From: rturner@cisco.com (Rodney Turner)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Has anyone ever had the ECM to go bad in their Rover?  This is located
under the driver's seat.
In desperate need of a used one.

>Land-Rover-Owner List &  Land Rover Owner Daily Digest List
>         http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/~majordom/lr/
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 539 lines)]
>Defender, certain regulations are not necessarily applicable. For
>example (if I am not mistaken), Rover products are exempt from the

****************************
Rodney L Turner
Manager, Telebusiness
Cisco Systems, Inc.
7025 Kit Creek Road
Research Triangle Park, NC
(919) 472-2355
rturner@cisco.com

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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:44:56 -0500 (EST)
From: John Pertalion <ap12536@xx.acs.appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: SIII Winch

> I have a SIII and I would like to install a winch. The problem is that I
> don't want to 'spoil' the front look of my Landy, that is, NO BULLBAR.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Does any of you Rovers ever faced this problem? If you have any solution
> let me know.
	How about installing it on the rear of the machine?  I've seen several
4x4 trucks set up like this.  Anyone tried this configuration on a Rover?
	Of course if you get stuck and winch back out, you still have to make
another pass at the problem spot.  I know several people for whom this 
wouldn't be a problem. :^)

John Pertalion	
AP12536@XX.ACS.APPSTATE.EDU
Boone, North Carolina, USA
'60 SII 88"  "Gumdrop"

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From: Ray Harder  882-0521 <c113408@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: (fwd) CAMEL TROPHY WWW COVERAGE BEGINS
Date: 3 Apr 1996 18:36:09 GMT

The 1996 CAMEL TROPHY in Kalimantan on the island of
Borneo has just begun - daily updates will be posted
to the web - photos added as available. Background on
the Camel Trophy and past Camel Trophy coverage also
online. 

                   CAMEL TROPHY
     http://www.4x44u.com/pub/k2/cameltrophy/

The "Olympics of Four Wheel Drive" - and if you want 
to check out the recent Safari Triathlon event held
in the US - see http://www.4x44u.com/pub/k2/live/safaritriathlon/

-Kendra Cook
 KII,LTd. kendra07@4x44u.com

brought to you online by
http://www.superwinch.com/

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Subject: Re: DesertStormYouSay?
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 96 18:38:57 +0100
From: <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

 Michael Carradine wrote:

> Cousin yes, and much more.  They probably used Defender D-110 and
> D-90's.  These have coils suspensions, a V8 turbo-diesel engine, and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> are anything but sluggish, in fact they are quite maneuverable and
> stable... I suppose that is why the US military has a few in use.

Did they realy used V8 turbo-diesel or did they use (what I believe) two 
types, a petrol V8 and a 2.5 liter TDi (the new diesel engine from 
Land-Rover).

Marc Rengers
Groningen, Holland
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

   #=====#          #=========#         
   |___|__\___      |____|__|__\___    
   | _ |   |_ |}    |  _ \  |   |_ |}
   "(_)""""(_)"     "-(_)"""""""(_)" 
                                  
 1977  88" III HT    1987 110" StaWag 
    Petrol               Diesel  
   23-67-XB             RH-12-PF

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner
International (great magazine)

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From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com
Subject: Discovery Long Term Test
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 96 9:23:13 PST

Just FYI:
The latest issue of Car and Driver has an article on the
long term test of a Land Rover Discovery, driven 40,000 miles.

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Roger Peng                                     (408)765-7863
Intel Corporation
Design Technology, Physical CAD
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 19:23:24 +0200
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Grab handles

TerriAnn wrote:
>Think of a stripped down series I 80 carrying an officer trying to go
>through deep mud past a line of soldiers.  The 80 bogs down and the officer
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>the mud and with a rooster tail of mud spraying at the people on the rear
>lift handles the officer is off.

Reminds me of an old story from over here:
German army invades the Soviet Union during WWII. Staff car with a general, 
a colonel, a major and a driver speeds through the muck. Lorry is stuck a 
few feet from the road, wheels spinning and digging deeper and deeper. 
General orders staff car to stop, jumps out, closely followed by colonel, 
major and driver, and together they push the truck out of the field onto the 
road. Needless to say they are all covered with mud from head to toe. As 
soon as the truck is on the road again, the driver jumps out, clicks his 
heels, salutes smartly and bellows "Thank you, general, sir!" General says 
"It's all right, private, we are all in this together. Just be careful and 
don't get stuck again. What have you got on your truck, by the way?"
"NCO's, sir!"

Sorry, not LRrelated at all I'm afraid...
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com
Subject: Re: Discovery Long Term Test
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 96 10:33:18 PST

|      Well what did they say?
|      Regards
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>| The latest issue of Car and Driver has an article on the
>| long term test of a Land Rover Discovery, driven 40,000 miles.

Well, they think it's a fun car, and enjoyed driving it, but it's
not without its faults.

During the period, the steering box had to be replaced twice, 
various small items had broken off, and were very expensive
to replace. The major service costed over $650, way more than
that for a Grand Cherokee. They also commented that the cargo
space is small, acceleration is anemic, and the vehicle tends
to wobble on the highway.

Well, that's all I can remember...

-- 
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Roger Peng                                     (408)765-7863
Intel Corporation
Design Technology, Physical CAD
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:16:47 -0600
From: Scott Fugate <sfugate@conc.tdsnet.com>
Subject: Original IIa Spare

David Cockey writes:

        From a late SIIA U.S. LR single sheet brochure (LR712) and and a
similar SIII
        sheet (LR721):
        Tires. Goodyear 710 x 15-Ultra-Grip (suburbanite).  So it is very
likely that is the original         spare.

YES! That's the tire I've got.  Never been run, looks like.  Thanks, David!
That means I've got the original spare ("Built with TUFSYN"!) tool kit,
jack, hand crank, and lug nut brace.  Is this a common state of affairs for
North American Series Rovers?

Factoid for the archives:  The original tires on North American late IIa s
and IIIs were exactly 89 3/8 inches in circumference.  That measurement
might be helpful for those trying to calibrate speedos or something.

Scott Fugate
1970 IIa 88
1989 RR

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Subject: Toys and models in stock
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 96 15:35:32 -0500

Hello all,

I have a few toys and models in stock which might be of interest to some 
of you.

I also wanted to make you all aware that we have started a toy mailing 
list and will take names of those who want to be put on it. At present we 
have 20 people on it but expect to expand soon.

I have in 1/43 scale a model kit of a series 3 109 Station wagon by 
Heller.

>From Airfix a series on soft top swb that comes in HO scale in a kit 
called the Bristol Blood hound, which includes a missile and the trailer 
that it sits on and that the Land Rover pulls.

I have a 1/35 scale Desert Rats (their titile not mine) by Italeri. This 
kit is a poor mans Pink Panther. 

I also have Dinky # DY9 which is the series on soft top in green. This is 
a diecast toy in the regular corgi / dinky size. This is mint boxed.

The model kits have never been opened.

I welcome any email on toy related topics if you want to do it direct to 
me.

Rgds

Robin

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 19:08:23 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Camel Trophy

For the past eight years, "The Gearbox", ROAV's newsletter, has been the 
first publication in North America to report on results of the Camel Trophy. 
(It helps having a college roomate that now works for RJR!)  For the past 
three (four?) years, I have been posting the daily logs to the LRO list.

This year, the results are being sent to me one or two days late.  According 
to the powers-that-be, the results "are first being posted to Rover's home 
page.  It's www-dot-landrover somethingorother...."  OK, sez me, I'll just 
fire up Mosaic and access one of the 'spiders' like Lycos or Yahoo!.  No 
dice finding Rover's home page.

Got lots of "landrover" hits.  Even some curious ones, like and article by 
the Jet Propulsion Lab that stated that the "Mars pathfinder mission will 
launch a LANDer and ROVER robot..." and one titled "LAND use contROVERsies 
in the American west."  Narrowed the search by including "camel trophy" in 
the search string.  Lots of references to last year's event, but none to 
this year.  If someone can find it, I'd sure like to know.

Anyway, here's what's happened so far:

The 17th Camel Trophy event got under way April 1 with 20 hours of "special 
tasks" held near the start at Balikpapan, Indonesia.  The finish line is 
1,100 miles and 21 days west across the tropic heat and humidity of 
equitorial Borneo at Pontianak.  There, the second set of special tasks will 
take place.  In between, there will be nine major river crossings, two 
mountain ranges and the near constant rain of Borneo's wet season.

The first task was a navigational exercise; after being ferried across the 
Balikpapan estuary, the American team of Ken Cameron (26, a carpenter from 
Eagle, Colorado) and Fred Hoess (29, a motorcycle racer from Stanhope, New 
Jersey) finished the event with but 15 seconds to spare.

The next task divided the competitors into five teams of four nations each; 
the US was teamed with Germany, the Canary Islands and the Czech Republic.  
The goal was to transport four tires and four water-filled jerry cans across 
a very uninviting swamp.  A closed-course driving exercise was next, 
followed by the task of getting a disabled vehicle across a lake on a raft. 
The twist: a vital raft part had frist been dropped into the middle of the 
lake.  The day's final task was a navigational exercise: find the evening's 
campsite - 60 km away.  At the end of the first set of special tasks, two 
teams that have never done particularly well, Russia and Greece, were in 
first and second.  Spain was in third.  The US was in 18th place.

On April 3, Ken Cameron and Fred Hoess were up at 6 AM (after all of one 
hour's sleep).  New this year is a reconaissance team.  Though the general 
route of the event has been scouted and campsites identified, it is up to 
the recce teams of four nations each to choose the best route; that group 
will change each day.  The US was teamed with Switzerland, Turkey and the UK 
and will have three other opportunities to be the vanguard.

Ken Cameron's professional skills as a log home builder were frequently 
called to use.  Virtually every bridge required rebuilding, or at least 
reapirs, before the 20 teams and 18 support vehicles could cross.  
Sometimes, several rounds of reapirs were necessary.

Vehicle travel could best be described as "skating" as sideways motion was 
almost as frequent as forwards travel.  The Polish team rolled their Disco 
onto its side, though there were no injuries and the vehicle was quickly 
righted.

The day's greatest challenge was the river crossing at Sungan Luang.  
Looking like something straight out of "Indiana Jones", the 30 meter bamboo 
bridge appeared to be sticks and twigs haphazardly lashed together with a 
few ropes and vines.  Fred Hoess was the first driver to attempt the span 
and made it across without incident.  The next vehicle, driven by the 
British, was not so fortunate.  The left rear wheel broke through, and it 
was 45 minutes of frantic reapirs before they could continue.

What fun!
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 17:11:48 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: 1994 Discovery for Sale

The burden of two landrovers, one jeep and a explorer has become too 
much to bare. The Discovery lost the election, therefore:

1994 Discovery, rear jump seats, sun roof, 30,000 miles, Bronze color 
priced to move. $29,900. If you know of any interested people the truck 
is in Tucson and summer is coming fast!

(I'm keeping the D90.)
-- 
Lee Zeltzer, Senior Consultant
Innovative System Design
100 N. Stone Ave. Suite 605
Tucson AZ 85701
(520)791-3323 X 21
http://www.isdnet.com

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Tom=E1s_Parreira?= <jparreira@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: LR's in ACE VENTURA 'When Nature Calls'
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:36:45 +-200

Hi guys,
there are to great scenes in the latest Ace Ventura movie 'When
Nature Calls' starring several Series 2/2A (?) and one SIII. 

They are completely destroyed by Jim Carrey :-( 
It will cut your heart, but check them out anyway.

********************************************
* Joao Parreira	| jparreira@mail.telepac.pt
* INTELLECTOR Ltd.
* I.T. Consultant
* 1980 LR 88' SIII
********************************************

LAND ROVER'S FIRST
BECAUSE LAND ROVERS LAST! :-)

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From: rruffer@interserv.com
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:03:48 -0800
Subject: Jacking NAS Defenders; Hi-Lift or Jack-All

Douglas Boehme with a D90 asks:
"I'm going to purchase a jack in the very near
future and was wondering which would be
the best for me: Hi-Lift or Jack-All?"

Robin Craig asks: 
"The Uk spec Defender's have little holes in the bumper front and rear to 
fit the Hilift and Jack all type jacks. How does that work with the holes in the 
rear x member for the Nas D 90?"

I recently ordered both a 48" Hi-Lift and Jack-All to compare. They are 
virtually identical. I kept the Jack-All because Atlantic-British has the D90 
adapter for it (which I got).  There is also a D90 adapter for the Hi-Lift, but 
the only place I saw it was from Craddock's in the U.K. (too much hassle to 
order from overseas).

The adapter is cylindrical and fits in the holes in the end of the chassis in 
the front (the NAS D90 has rubber plugs in the holes that just pull out). In the 
rear, there really are no great jacking points on the NAS D90.  The holes in the 
rear for the adapter, while exposed on U.K. D90s, are used as mounting points by 
the rear step/class III hitch on the NAS version. I'm thinking of having a metal 
shop weld some sort of jacking points for me in the back. Not quite sure what 
they would look like--maybe pipes that the adapter could fit into.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
'94 D90 (#634)

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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:29:46 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: SIII Winch

Joao Parreira sez...

>I have a SIII and I would like to install a winch. The problem is that I
>don't want to 'spoil' the front look of my Landy, that is, NO BULLBAR.
-

Who says you have to have a bullbar?? There are a lot of home-made
variations of mounting a winch to the front bumper. That's OK, I guess if
your bumper and the mounting points on the frame are strong enough. 

I have two brackets welded to the frame on my SerIII on the inside facing
parts of the front frame extensions. The winch is mounted on a 3/8" thick
steel plate which is in turn bolted to the brackets. I've never had a bit of
trouble with it and the winch (8000 lb Ramsey) fits neatly in front of the
grill. However, some people don't like welding things to the frame for one
reason or another so this method might not be for you. 

Cheers
Mike
 

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From: Defendr90@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 00:08:13 -0500
Subject: NAS D90 Rear seat mounts/4.2L ECM swap

Has anyone come up with way to modify the mounts on the D90 rear seat so that
when the seat is removed you have a flat cargo area. If no one has actually
made this modification, does anyone have any ideas. I rarely use the seat (it
was a concession to my wife), and most of the time it resides in the garage,
but because of the mount design I can't utilize the cargo area fully. 

If someone has done a 4.2L ECM swap into a D90 please E-mail me with the
results. I'm about to do the same and would like to know what to expect.

 

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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:36:38 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: NAS D90 Rear seat mounts

You wrote: 

>Has anyone come up with way to modify the mounts on the D90 rear seat so that
>when the seat is removed you have a flat cargo area. If no one has actually
>made this modification, does anyone have any ideas. I rarely use the seat (it
>was a concession to my wife), and most of the time it resides in the garage,
>but because of the mount design I can't utilize the cargo area fully. 

I'm not familiar with the details of the D90 seat mount - it seemed like a bit 
of a waste to me - so my comments might be irrelevant (as oppossed to 
irreverant :) ).  Anyway, I doubt you'll be able to modify it adequately.  
You're probably better off making a floor panel (plywood?) to fit over the 
mounts (I'm assuming they're only on the floor) to provide a smooth cargo 
floor.

If the seat is usually in the garage, is it really that difficult to remove the 
mounts themselves?  Surely they're just bolt in.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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