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From: g@ix.netcom.com (Gerald)
Subject: Re: Jacking NAS Defenders; Hi-Lift or Jack-All
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 12:51:10 GMT

On Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:03:48 -0800, you wrote:
. . . .
>rear, there really are no great jacking points on the NAS D90.  The holes in the 
>rear for the adapter, while exposed on U.K. D90s, are used as mounting points by 
>the rear step/class III hitch on the NAS version.

Can you use the hitch receiver as a jacking point?

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: "Ferenc-Jan van Zijp" <f.j.a.vanzijp@lr.tudelft.nl>
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 18:46:01 +0000
Subject: I'm baffled...

Dear Land-Rover owners,

I recently got bitten by the LR-bug and while getting used to this
latest whim of mine, I prepared myself for greasy fingers and 
scraped knuckles. I also hooked on to a great source of 
LR-related information, the divine Land-Rover Owner Mailinglist, 
expecting answers for simple souls like myself.

Au contraire. Since I'm reading the list I'm baffled by the high-tech 
level. I now realize I'll have to know how to coil a LR into the ARB-locker,
learn all about Lucas' addendum to the laws of physics and I'd better 
reserve a seat in a certain restaurant at the end of the galaxy. All 
this just for changing a rear tyre, mind you. Knowing how many cans 
of beer go into a carton or case in various countries is essential when I 
want to order spares.

What should I do? Forget the whole thing and focus on a plain and 
simple japanese 4x4?

Confusedly yours,

Ferenc

PS Just *why* does a _very_ british car have so much devotees in 
America? Why aren't you all into V8's & cubic inches, like normal 
american car buffs?

BTW the Roverweb-FAQ is GREAT. I've printed the how-to-buy-a-used-LR 
section and intend to go over it line by line when buying a used LR. 
Just what will the used-LR-seller think? 

BTW II: I laughed my head off over the anti-FAQ!

'Why think about the weather when lights are low.'

                                        - Sarah Vaughan

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:54:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Hi-LiftJackInfoRequest

I first came to know the highlift as the sheepherders jack. Real handy but
not too steady. I've pulled engines, stretched fences, removed stumps and, oh
yes! jacked up a Rover or two. They come in two common lengths; 48 and 60
inches, with cast or stamped foot. There seem to be two brands; one is
canadian the other is indianan. See adverts in US 4wd magazines, among other
places. I traded a VW windscreen for mine. :-) Cheers!
                                        ,,,,,,,
 John Dillingham, Woodstock, GA 73 s3 SWB (cobblers child, awaiting engine
rebuild) 72 s3 SWB parts truck, 66 s2a SWB soft top (being babysat for a
friend/customer) Vintage Rover Servicexsince 1994, over half a dozen
satisfied customers!!

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:54:59 -0500
Subject: more cold start switch trivia

The little triangular piece on the head is also referred to as an otter valve
(switch?) Anyone know why it got that name? Pretty useless. Lights an idiot
light, to tell you to push your choke cable in. (as far as I knowxmine never
worked) The three screws are whitworth, so if you lose one or bugger one up,
you're up the creek in a wire boat. Cheers!
,,,,,,,
 John Dillingham, Woodstock, GA 73 s3 SWB (cobblers child, awaiting engine
rebuild) 72 s3 SWB parts truck, 66 s2a SWB soft top (being babysat for a
friend/customer) Vintage Rover Servicexsince 1994, over half a dozen
satisfied customers!!

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:43:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Bill Daddis <magnet@io.org>
Subject: Re: more cold start switch trivia

On Sat, 6 Apr 1996 Solihull@aol.com wrote:

> The little triangular piece on the head is also referred to as an otter valve
> (switch?) Anyone know why it got that name? 

Perhaps because it's made by a company called Otter Control, Ltd.? ;-)

Cheers!

               -- BD

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Bill Daddis -- Aurora, Ontario, Canada -- magnet@io.org
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 11:59:31 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Dormobile Propane Mount Location?

Can anyone out there tell me where the propane rack for Dormobiles is 
mounted?  
Is it under the front seats? This seems a bit far from the gas's 
destination.
I have one I'm intending to mount on my 109.

TIA.

Jeremy

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 12:11:34 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Pos. to Neg. Conversion - Again

Sorry, I know I asked about this a while ago and I know its come up 
since.  Unfortunately the disk I saved the relevant advice and responses 
to is now apparently unreadable (AAARGH!).

Since I'm about to do a + to - conversion I was hoping someone wouldn't 
mind reposting the appropriate alterations.

I know the battery terminals get switched :), but I'm a bit hazy on what 
else is required.  The vehicle (109 SW SIIA) has an Delco alternator fit 
to it (following Alan Richer's instructions - Thanks Alan - at least I 
could recover that post) so repolarizing the generator isn't needed 
(wasn't that part of it?).

Cheers and thanks again (and again and ...),

Jeremy

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Subject: Warn 8274 winch, help reqd.
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 96 15:25:03 -0500

I have just got my hands on a Warn 8274 winch. This is the one that was 
for quite a while the Camel Trophy winch of choice.

I am in the future going to be mounting it on a NAS D90. No I didnt sell 
the mrs and kids and buy one this is for a friend.

I have the winch at home in the basement and am cleaning it up. I am 
struck by the lack of a grease fitting for the non powered end of the 
drum, anyone deoe a mod and put one in?

I am also looking for a copy of the manual / service books. Also I am 
looking for the phone number for Warn parts and tech line if any one has 
it.

I would also like to hear from any 8274 owners with any hints on 
operation and any idiosyncracies that I should watch out for.

I will  be making the winch mount to resemble the NAS D 90 bumper but 
more sturdy and capable of doing the job, and most likely to take the 
indicators aswell althought we have thought about making the orange 
clearance lights beside the head lights take that function over with some 
re wiring.

I addition the new bumper once fabricated will be galvanised for 
corrosion resistance.

Epect to see the finished item at the OVLR Birthday party, that is as 
long as our associate members are allowed to attend, that is, grin grin!!
:-) 

TTFN

Robin

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:55:03 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Pos. to Neg. Conversion - Again

Jeremy says......

>Since I'm about to do a + to - conversion I was hoping someone wouldn't 
>mind reposting the appropriate alterations.
-

OK.... but this is absolutely the last time....   :)

You have already installed the Delco so I'm going to assume that you have
also bypassed the now useless voltage regulator... (You did say that you had
Al "Rover God" Richer's instructions, right?)

So, what you have left to do is this:
1. If you have an ammeter, you will need to reverse the wires connected to
it. You may also want to consider investing in a higher capacity ammeter as
the Rover one only reads to 30A and the Delco alternator should have at
least a 60A output. I've never had any problems with mine, but rumor has it
that others have had problems.
2. You will need to reverse the two small wires attached to the ignigtion
coil. Well, you don't really have to, but you will get a hotter spark if the
coil polarity is correct.
3. You *may* need to fiddle with the 12V accessory plug in the dash. Make
sure the ground wire attaches to the black terminal, the hot wire is on the
red terminal and everything (especially the red terminal) is insulated well.
There are little phenolic washers and cardboard seperators on the back side
of the dash. Check this bit out well - if it is wired improperly you could
fry some wires.

You DO NOT have to do anything with the wiper motors, heater motor or lights.

You should not have to do anything with the fuel guage or sender unless
someone has changed one of the components for a newer style one. 

That's it! Hook it all up, drop a battery in and check for sparks! 

Cheers
Mike
  

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:55:06 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: I'm baffled...

Ferenec sez....

>Au contraire. Since I'm reading the list I'm baffled by the high-tech 
>level. I now realize I'll have to know how to coil a LR into the ARB-locker,
>learn all about Lucas' addendum to the laws of physics and I'd better 
>reserve a seat in a certain restaurant at the end of the galaxy. All 
-

Ahhh... If you can't dazzel them with brilliance, baffel them with bullshit!

>this just for changing a rear tyre, mind you. Knowing how many cans 
>of beer go into a carton or case in various countries is essential when I 
>want to order spares.
-

Important stuff, that, with the world's economy in the state it's in..

>What should I do? Forget the whole thing and focus on a plain and 
>simple japanese 4x4?
-

WHAT!  HERESY!!  BLASPHEMY!!!  We'll have absolutely none of that sort of
language here. Just for that, no pudding for you.

>PS Just *why* does a _very_ british car have so much devotees in 
>America? Why aren't you all into V8's & cubic inches, like normal 
>american car buffs?
-

Probably because none of us are normal. Why should we follow the crowd, anyway? 

>BTW the Roverweb-FAQ is GREAT. I've printed the how-to-buy-a-used-LR 
>section and intend to go over it line by line when buying a used LR. 
>Just what will the used-LR-seller think? 
-

If he's daft enough to sell his Rover, who cares what he he thinks. Unless,
of course, he has a bunch of other Rovers. 

Cheers
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>         1964 Triumph Spitfire - BRG

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 17:22:47 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Dead guages

David Olley wrote:
>For two years, my wife's mini was equipped like that when the fuel sender 
>seized.  I gave here a nice stick to use - and she didn't complain....

The guage in my brothers '66 Chevy pickup crapped out.  For a while, he used 
the stick method, 'til he dropped it in one time.  Now, when he hears the 
stick *stop* banging about, he knows he has about four miles to go....

Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
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      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 00:36:41 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Jacking NAS Defenders; Hi-Lift or Jack-All

Gerald wrote:
> Can you use the hitch receiver as a jacking point?

Yes, but only if you get one person each side to stop the vehicle moving 
sideways.

The jack has NO stability, especially when lifting the centre of the 
crossmember - both rear wheels will be off the ground.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 19:00:56 -0500 (EST)
From: marknval@dreamscape.com (mark lowry)
Subject: Mutant seeks Rover

I would like to purchase a 1974 Series III 88.  However, at 6'6", it seems
I am a touch too large to fit comfortably in it.  I know I can't move the
seats back.  I thought about adjusting the gas pedal so it's closer to the
floor and modifying the parking brake so I can hang my knee to the right.
How about a Series IIa dash - would that buy me a couple of extra inches?
Is there any hope short of surgery?

Thanks, Mark

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:09:43 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: I'm baffled...

At 18:46 06.04.96 +0000, Ferenc-Jan van Zijp wrote:

>PS Just *why* does a _very_ british car have so much devotees in 
>America? Why aren't you all into V8's & cubic inches, like normal 
>american car buffs?

And all Dutch people live in windmills, raise tulips and wear wooden shoes, no?

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery (North American Specification, which includes a 3.9 liter V8)
San Francisco, California

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Date: Sat, 06 Apr 1996 19:24:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: Mutant seeks Rover

Mark,

> I would like to purchase a 1974 Series III 88.  However, at 6'6", it seems
> I am a touch too large to fit comfortably in it.  I know I can't move the
> seats back.  I thought about adjusting the gas pedal so it's closer to the
> floor and modifying the parking brake so I can hang my knee to the right.

    Buy a Series II (not IIA)- the Parking brake is parallel to the
    floor and almost down on it when released (and only about as high as
    the center tunnel when actuated).  Of course the seat will still be
    too close...  (Actually, have you tried driving one?  I would think the
    legs would be less of a problem than the fact that you'd have to
    hunch down to see out the windshield!)

    Duncan, with a 1960 SII 88

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 16:26:24 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Pos. to Neg. Conversion - Again

You wrote: 
>You have already installed the Delco so I'm going to assume that you have
>also bypassed the now useless voltage regulator... (You did say that you had
>Al "Rover God" Richer's instructions, right?)

Correct

>So, what you have left to do is this:
snip
>3. You *may* need to fiddle with the 12V accessory plug in the dash. Make
>sure the ground wire attaches to the black terminal, the hot wire is on the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>of the dash. Check this bit out well - if it is wired improperly you could
>fry some wires.

I just recently took these apart cleaned and reinstalled, so this should be OK. 
 I guess I wasn't paying enough attention though, I'd have sworn the separator 
was leather rather than cardboard.

snip
>Cheers
>Mike

Many thanks for the rapid response.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:32:46 -0500
Subject: MOD Tools

I just received the latest catalog of surplus odds & ends from U.S. Calvary.
Amongst assorted  surplus stuff, including some ex-Brit. Army items, is a
shovel and pick tool set " with British MOD markings ..etc...used on
jeeps.etc..until the '90s" (their words more or less) that looks like the
tool set used on military LRs and sold elsewhere for $150. These tools are
used, but they only want $27.95. I ordered a set.(I can hear it now you paid
what for THAT!) The order taker reported that they still had 327 sets in
stock as of 12:00 today. When mine comes I'll post a report. I just need  to
figure out where to mount them in a 83 Rangie.
A Happy Easter/Passover/Holiday to all. Cheers. Andy Blackley. 
P.S. If  someone dosent have a catalog Email me a fax number I ll send you a
copy of the relavent page.

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 20:59:02 -0500 (EST)
From: rovahArovah.sdi.agate.net@agate.net (John Cassidy)
Subject: Politically incorrect spare tire covers!

Was in the local salvage/discout store yesterday and saw a whole rack of
very nicely printed spare tire covers with the image  of "Joe Camel"(in a
Jeep unfortunately! :-(  ) holding out a pack of Camel cigarettes to any
takers.  The cover is all in color and would surely be a hit at the next
PTA meeting or medical convention! ;-)   They are $3.99/each...I doubt
anyone would want one, but as I  said, they are nicely done(except for the
Jeep!)...if you want one, E-mail me and I'll get you one!

Cheers!   John Cassidy   Bangor, Maine

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From: daviscar@cris.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:09:35 -0500 (EST)

which  daviscar@cris.com

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 21:17:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Warn 8274 winch, help reqd.

Robin;    Warn  Tech line 1-800-543-9276
     I have the same winch on my lla...service manual is a 2 sheet exploded
view of all parts and numbers..if they won't send you one I will make a copy
of mine and mail it to you.
there is no model specific operations manual only a generic one...
Rgds
Steve    72 S lll 88
            68 S lla  88                       

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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 22:18:44 -0500 (EST)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Re: Dead guages

I dropped a golf ball in the tank of my CJ-2A. When I could hear it rolling
around i knew it was time to fill up

_____________________________
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1512 West Joppa Road
Towson, MD USA
Voice: 410-583-1722
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E-Mail: chrisste@clark.net
1969 SRIIa 88" SW

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