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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 06:57:51 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Jack For A Series III SWB

David Olley wonders....

>mention the *absolute* necessity of putting the vehicle into 4WD and 
>1st gear when jacking a rear wheel (in my experience very few bother to 

-

Hell no.. That why I always make sure the unskilled labor (kids) are nearby.
"Now lad, you just lean up against the truck - yup, right there - and
whatever you do, don't let it roll.. What do you mean, you gotta go to the
toilet? You just gotta wait."

No, no, no... That's not it at all. What we actually do is call for Land
Rover service, the dealer shows up and changes the flat for us. Right?

EH?

Of course we put the truck in gear, lock the hubs, set the brakes, say 10
Hail Mary's, put large rocks under the wheels (or in the case of Dave
Bobeck. small furry animals), set out highway flares, warning signs and
alert the National Defense before ever changing wheels. 

But then, the wheel really has to *want* to change....

Cheers
Mike
 

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  3 Apr 96  8:13:30 EST
Subject: Re: Jack For A Series III SWB

Re: Roadwheel jack:

At home, of course, a trolley jack. 

For on the road use, I scavenged the local junkyard and ran up a (ick!) Honda 
scissor jack that suits my 109 perfectly. It's got a nice, large swivel plate 
in the top, a wide base, plenty of height and the crank attachment was easy to 
modify to work with the engine crank! For 5 bucks, works for me.....

Wheel chocks? That's toolbox time.....

     ajr

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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:25:43 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Thorsten Edgar Klein <kleit001@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
Subject: Re: Rover Top Tents

Hallo all

I=B4m back after 31 days without Land-Rover related mail (Thanks Bill).

How about a fold-up top instead of a tent (the weight of a Roof tent is
35 - 50kgs).
I have two friends with fold up tops

The first has a 88. He has fabricated a wooden frame with hinges at one
side. The frame is about 7" high. Over the frame he has mounted the
normal top. The top opens about 80=B0. He can
go in the top from front, back and inside (2m sleeping space in a 88).

The second owns a 109SW. The PO has fabricated a steel frame (1" high,
hinges at the back, access via front or inside possible.

Just a thought,

Thorsten Klein
Mainz, Rheinland Pfalz (Liebfraumilch-Country), Germany
Lightweight SIII

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Shackles Vs hooks
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 13:57:02 UNDEFINED

>> DO NOT EVER USE A HOOK ON A TOW STRAP OR ROPE FOR OFF ROAD RECOVERY.
>> ....... it comes off, releasing all the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>risk of the towing pin assembly parting company with the vehicle and 
>projecting itself through the back or front of one of the vehicles at 
>high speed.

Anyone else use my method? I dont bother shifting the vehicle with brute 
force, I just use an old climbing rope (very stretchy), tension it up with a 
winch of some sort, and then drive out using the tension to assist. The forces 
are much smaller and less transient than snatch recoveries with dynamic ropes, 
and you need to pull far less hard than to drag the vehicle out bodily.

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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 96 05:21:55 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: 2WD-4WD

...snip... you
>can't go anywhere without taking a parts catalog..." :-) She was
>joking. I think...]
-

>>..Actually, we carry the catalogs around so we Oooh and Ahhh over all the
goodies we want to buy. Or maybe it's just to look at all the pretty pictures...

Cheers
Mike

Right. I keep going back to the last page, "Identifying Your Land Rover". 
Imagine yourself a Rover newbie again... "Hmm, let's see, ok, uh, I guess mine 
is uh, a cool, its a 1947 Land Rover Prototype!" 

I guess they put that in there just to keep us drooling, as if all the way too 
expensive knick-knacks and doo-dads weren't causing enough of a salivary cascade
already. I also miss the "export Land Rovers to any destinatioinon (except USA)"
:-( section.

Dave "Not busy enough" B.

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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 14:30:38 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Jack For A Series III SWB

At home, of course, a trolley jack.

Trolley jack?On *my* drive? I've yet to see a trolley jack with the ramp
breakover angle that would survive.........

For on the road use, I scavenged the local junkyard and ran up a (ick!) Honda
scissor jack that suits my 109 perfectly. It's got a nice, large swivel plate
in the top, a wide base, plenty of height and the crank attachment was easy to
modify to work with the engine crank! For 5 bucks, works for me.....

Well,actually..(ses he modestly) my old girl came with her original jack.
Which at 19yrs old at the time wasnt bad going,I thought.No handle,mind you.
That I cadged off someone else who had the handle but no jack.

Wheel chocks? That's toolbox time.....

Wheel chocks? What a quaint idea! you ever tried *pushing* one of these
things?:-)

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 08:47:12 -0400
From: jim@kidd.com (jnk)
Subject: Bustin' diffs

Everyone,

I'm surprised at the number of problems D90 owners who are having problems
with diffs. One of the first things I learned about off road driving is if
the drivetrain is strained and starts to buck, STOP... something is going
to give. Back up and try another way. I have also noticed that this bucking
often happens in soft sand.

I wonder why the axles don't give first. Rob Dennis is right in his post,
in that the LR axles are the sheer pin of the drive train. Land Rovers are
tough, but are not tanks. Take it easy on them. That way they will be in
better shape when you sell them in a couple years and I will get a good
deal on a used D90.

Jim Karantinos

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 08:48:17 -0600
Subject: Read: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 07:40:45 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Jack For A Series III SWB

>With all this advice on jacking a Series vehicle, is anybody going to
>mention the *absolute* necessity of putting the vehicle into 4WD and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Understanding how the parking brake and diffs work will show why this is
>necessary.

Since I ALWAYS but my car into 4WD low and chock my wheels before jacking
up a car It didn't occur to me to mention it because I just assumed that
was what every one did as a matter of course.

Thanks David for reminding everyone.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 10:07:13 GMT -0600
Subject: Warn sale price

Don't know if this is a good price or not, but FWIW I found this in 
the 4x4 newsgroup.

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From: cruiser7@annap.infi.net (Scott)
Newsgroups: rec.autos.4x4
Subject: Warn X8000i great "new" sales price!!!
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 14:59:52 GMT
Message-ID: <4ju2fr$foa@nw002.infi.net>

I just got my summer clothing & travel gear "Cabela's" catalog.
Stuck in the middle of the book...there it was....Warn X8000i
(portable 8000lbs) winch..for...$549.95(sale priced, regular price is
$749.95).  If your interested....it's on page 39, item: PT-50616-000

I'm not sure about shipping costs, but that beats any price that I've
seen yet! Calela's Phone number:   800-237-4444 Happy Winching!

-------------------------------------------------------------
Scott - Baltimore, MD                 cruiser7@annap.infi.net

TLCA#3529  UFWDA
'67 FJ40 (327 V8,SM465,lots of extras)
'72 FJ55 (needed lots of work)
'88 1000cc Honda Hurricane (when I get the need for speed)

-----------end forwarded message-----------------

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 11:34:44 -500
Subject: CurrencyConversionAddressWanted

LR Owners,
Somewhere out there someone has a currency conversion internet 
address.  Can you please send it to me?
Mark

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: CurrencyConversionAddressWanted
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 09:48:24 -0700 (MST)

< Somewhere out there someone has a currency conversion internet 
< address.  Can you please send it to me?

Take a look at my home page.  You will find a link to all the currency 
converters cataloged by Yahoo.  (I used to maintain my own list, but 
Yahoo got better.)

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 96 17:00:59 UT
From: "Stephen Miller" <BOMILCAR@msn.com>
Subject: RE: CurrencyConversionAddressWanted

Try 
http://cnnfn.com/markets/currencies.html
It is a CNN product and seems to be OK

Take care,
Steve
72 Series III
88 RR

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From: 	Mark Gehlhausen
Sent: 	Wednesday, April 03, 1996 10:42 AM
Subject: 	CurrencyConversionAddressWanted

LR Owners,
Somewhere out there someone has a currency conversion internet 
address.  Can you please send it to me?
Mark

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From: 73363.427@compuserve.com
Date: 03 Apr 96 12:08:09 EST
Subject: re:Tricked D90 Questions!

>> The D90 in the Four Wheeler "Top Truck Challenge" also has 4.7:1
gearing.  Where are folks getting these things?  ...and can someone
remind me what the stock gearing is? <<

The original series ring and pinion are 4.7:1 and will replace the 3.54:1 in the
later models. I am sure that there are some series owners that would not mind
switching out to the later ratio instead of installing an overdrive. It does
take quite a bit of work though. 
  
     -------------------       
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_______________________]
     EEEI           EEEI

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 03-Apr-1996

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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 13:01:29 -0500 (EST)
From: m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate)
Subject: The Original Spare?

I've got a question for the "old-timers" (and I say that affectionately) on
the list.  I'm trying to figure out if a spare tire that I have might have
been the original spare tyre that came on my 1970 IIa 88.  It's a 7.10 x 15
Goodyear that, get this, says "made in Great Britain" (or is it U.K.?).
Anyway, I can't believe that the good folks of Ohio would let Goodyear
import tires from Over There unless they were attached to a vehicle.
Anybody remember what tars (local pronunciation) Series Rovers originally
wore around 1970?  Sandy, maybe?

On another subject,  what's the cheapest source of supply for a soft top
(hood, canvas, whatever)?  Checking the usual parts outlets reveal prices
all over the map.  U.K. prices are at about L125 (with windows).  Is there a
manufacturer in the States that might be cheaper?  Someone on the list used
to have "Florida Rover Canvas" in their signature block, but a previous
solicitation brought no response from them. 

Scott Fugate

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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 96 10:28:33 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Jack For A Series III SWB

Mike L. writes:

Of course we put the truck in gear, lock the hubs, set the brakes, say 10
Hail Mary's, put large rocks under the wheels (or in the case of Dave
Bobeck. small furry animals), set out highway flares, warning signs and
alert the National Defense before ever changing wheels. 

But then, the wheel really has to *want* to change....

Wait a gosh darn minute there, mister! First of all, I resent the fact that you 
think I would do something harmful to any mammal or other animal. I originally 
pointed out that our beloved Rovers often become home to a variety of creatures,
often of the furry variety. Theyre are lots of places on a LR that a small 
mouse, ferret, marmot, or for us city dwellers, rat, could find him/herself a 
comfy abode. Inside frame rails, seats, x-members, toolboxes, and even exhaust 
manifolds (for those LRO's that got the "Lawn-Ornament" option package). There 
are even lots of things for the little stowaways to feed on, including seat 
cushions, wiring harnesses, hoses, headliners, etc. These sort of maels keep 
their teeth from growing too long also, sort of like the ever present toilet 
paper tube in the first-grade gerbil/hamster cage. I never claimed that i would 
try to harm or abuse these fuzzy intruders in any way, although putting them to 
work painting the inside of chassis rails doesn't seem like too bad of an idea. 
(Although the cheese as bait technique may not be entirely economical) I AM NOT 
AN ABUSER OF ANIMALS. For those who are interested in animal abuse, try 
searching your past digests for the words "Little Earth Pig". This may "steer" 
you in the right direction. As far as wheel chocks, I use two blocks of 4x6 that
I cut into wedges. They sit in the back of my ride with all of my other 
"supplies" that are oh-so-necessary in the wilds of the DC "outback".

In the news: just got some more goodies from DAP, Rn, and BP, including a new 
shift fork for 1st and 2nd. Hopefully this will allevviate the "popping out of 
1st" problem. Last one was worn about 1/16" on each side...

Cheers
Dave "Not hiring any small furry mammals to help with the frame over since they 
don't have working papers" B.

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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 19:55:45 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Jack For A Series III SWB

Mike Rooth wrote:
> Wheel chocks? What a quaint idea! you ever tried *pushing* one of these
> things?:-)

Yep.

You ever seen one roll off a jack?:-(

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 19:56:01 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Shackles Vs hooks

Andy Woodward wrote:
> Anyone else use my method?.... I just use an old climbing rope (very 
> stretchy), tension it up with a winch of some sort, and then drive out 
> using the tension to assist.

Now there's a thinking man.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 20:00:51 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: CurrencyConversionAddressWanted

Mark Gehlhausen wrote:

> Somewhere out there someone has a currency conversion internet
> address.  Can you please send it to me?

Try:

 http://www.cinenet.net/wcbs/currency.html.

It keeps reasonably up to date and covers a very wide range of 
currencies. For ease of use, it gives both sides of the rate - ie, rate 
and reciprocal.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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From: jve@phaseone.dk
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 96 17:09:10 
Subject: Cylinder head gaskets

Hi all.

Thanks for all the replys. I'll leave it dry when I mount it.

Here's another one for you:

I noticed that two of the holes in the gasket (for cooling liquid or oil) are 
smaller than the others. It's the two holes at cyl 1-2 (or 3-4). One end of the 
engine anyway.
Anybody knows why?

Jens Vesterdahl
1972 109 STW

http://inet.uni-c.dk/~spiff/Jens.html

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From: "S. Vels" <svels@mail-server.dk-online.dk>
Date:          Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:09:19 +0001
Subject:       Re: What Is A Slab?

Date:          Wed, 03 Apr 1996 10:07:18 +0900
Reply-to:      Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
X-To:          Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
From:          Alan Logue <logue@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject:       Re: What Is A Slab?

	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 17 lines)]
>	a 24.  A case has 12)
>OK guys, lets get it right!!!!

Here (DK) a slab is not a slab  but a case. Comes with 30 or 15 
bottles in a plastic case. You pay a deposit for bottles and cases. 
Other sizes are cartons with 15 bottles and 8, 6 and 4 with a handle.

BTW Carslberg will make six new beers this year to decide which will 
be the anniversary brew next year. Two out already. YUM.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: 	Wed, 03 Apr 1996 11:24:10 -0800
From: cyoungso@direct.ca (Chris Youngson)
Subject: Lumenition, ARC Nationals

Has anyone had experience with the Lumenition ignition system? I was
thinking of buying one when I go over to the UK. 

Also, how large is the trade stand area at the ARC Rally?

73, Chris

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Date: 	Wed, 03 Apr 1996 11:31:38 -0800
From: cyoungso@direct.ca (Chris Youngson)
Subject: Solihull Tours, ARC attendees

Are there tours of the Solihull factory availible? 

How many list members are attending the ARC Nationals? Should
we meet up somewhere? 73, Chris

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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 11:35:06 -0800
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Land Rover For Sale

My 1962 SIIA 109 is still for sale.  I am considering an offer and would
like to make a last "for sale" announcement before selling. If interested,
please see my WWW page at home.earthlink.net/`johnliu/forsale.htm.

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:32:29 -500
Subject: GrabHandlesYouSay?!?!?!

LRO,
I'm new to this LR stuff, but why are there grab handles on the rear 
frame extensions of a IIA?
Mark

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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:43:29 -0500
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: Re: Lumenition, ARC Nationals

>Has anyone had experience with the Lumenition ignition system? I was
>thinking of buying one when I go over to the UK.

I have one, and it works just fine.  In fact, I'd go as far as to say I
love the thing to death, because now my major tuning variable is the Zenith
carb.  (And now that it's been treated to a new "needle" valve and a
glass&emory resurfacing even that beast seems to be tamed.)  The only real
problem is if the control module decides to cook itself.  (N.B.:  Don't
mount yours on the bulkhead like mine is.  A better spot is either up near
the fan or even behind the dash in the passenger compartment.  Heat is the
enemy of this box as Sandy Grice has attested to.)  Thanks to Alan R.
changing over to a Crane unit, I even have that contingency covered with a
spare control module should mine fail "in the outback".

The idea of an opto-electronic ignition is wonderful, and mine has behaved
flawlessly.  However, all things considered if I was doing it all over
again, I'd probably opt for the Crane version because it's easier to get
here in the U.S.  Parts are easier too.  If "both" of my Illuminitions
fail, I'll definitely switch.

RoverOn!

JAB

==                                                                      ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
                          ==================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)
==                                                                      ==

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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 13:52:25 -0600
From: Erik Nystrom <enystrom@innovusmm.com>
Subject: Wiring Diagram?

I am attempting to install a pair of Hella 3000 lights to the brush
guard on my '95 Discovery. I purchased a switch from Land Rover that
fits next to the Cruise Control switch on the dash. I was hoping
someone could fax a copy of a wiring diagram that I could follow to
help me install the lights using this switch. My fax number is (801)
484-9561. You can also email me a graphic.
Thanks in advance for the help!
Erik Nystrom
enystrom@innovusmm.com
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
Red 95 Disco V8i

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:47:16 -500
Subject: LRvsHMMV

LRO,
Which is more tractable, a NATO Land-Rover or the MilSpec HMMV? 
I see lots of the military HMMV, but have only seen three Land-Rovers
in my life.  The HMMV was handy in our latest storm, they were able
to surmount every obstacle and yet run at highway speed.  I find both
 vehicles interesting and figure you guys can fill me in on comparative
on and offroad testing.  This should probably be mailed to me direct.
Thanks.  Mark

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From: REDCO@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:55:42 -0500
Subject: Donor Vehicles wanted

88 0r 109 series 1, 11 &111 donor vehicles WANTED.  I prefer complete
vehicles, however, I will consider parted out Land Rovers.  Will pickup.
 Northeast US & southern Canada.

Seth A. Redlich

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Date: 	Wed, 03 Apr 1996 13:00:09 -0800
From: cyoungso@direct.ca (Chris Youngson)
Subject: Re: Lumenition, ARC Nationals

>The idea of an opto-electronic ignition is wonderful, and mine has behaved
>flawlessly.  However, all things considered if I was doing it all over
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>RoverOn!
>JAB

Do you know if the Crane version requires modification? I heard 
somebody talking about cutting off the top of the rotor shaft.
How much doe the Crane cost? Thanx, Chris

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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 13:25:07 -0800
From: "Unimog Network Int'l" <cs@crl.com>
Subject: SEE and HMMH (was: LR vs HMMV)

Mark Gehlhausen <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil> provokes:
:Which is more tractable, a NATO Land-Rover or the MilSpec HMMV? 
:I see lots of the military HMMV, but have only seen three Land-Rovers
:in my life.  The HMMV was handy in our latest storm, they were able
:to surmount every obstacle and yet run at highway speed.  I find both
:vehicles interesting and figure you guys can fill me in on comparative
:on and offroad testing.  This should probably be mailed to me direct.

 You've seen only three Land-Rovers in your life?  Where are you
 stationed at, surely they must let you off base sometime :)

 Land-Rovers were used along side HMMV vehicles in 'Dessert' Storm,
 some even by US forces.  Of course the Brits have lots of them, ever
 hear of the Pink Panters?  Lest we forget, the USMC even used Mercedes
 Benz UNIMOGs as entrenching vehicles and material handlers, known as
 SEE and HMMH.  You probably never seen of these either as they are not
 American built and get very little press in the US.  Email me your
 address and I'll shoot you off a xerox spec sheet of the SEE and HMMH.

 Regards,

 Michael Carradine, Architect                        Ph/Fax 510-988-0900
 Carradine Studios, PO Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA  <cs@crl.com>
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:50:09 -0500
Subject: Re: GrabHandlesYouSay?!?!?!

>>why are there grab handles on the rear 
frame extensions of a IIA?<<

That's the bumper, Mark. - Tony

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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 08:31:17 +1000
From: Richard Clarke <clarker@goldy.agvic.gov.au>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In some parts of Australia (Victoria included) the 'slab' is still 
the appropriate term.  A slab is 24 375mil cans or 'stubbies' (or 
those mid-necks which are just stretched stubbies)

The `exchange rates' quoted are pretty close - of course much depends 
on how hot it is at the time and there is a definite discout rate if 
its warm.
`----------'
marbourg@lanl.gov

the ARB lockers in Aus use the same axles - so if putting on the 
front or rear with rover diffs you still have the axle breaking 
problem, in Aus there is a 'maxidrive' diff lock which uses vacuum 
instead of compressed air, and uses salisbury sixe axles

Richard Clarke
Manager Internal Audit Services
Department of Agriculture, Energy and Minerals
Victoria 
Australia

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From: LANROVEFN@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:04:50 -0500
Subject: NY Auto Show LRNA Press Release

I attended the press conference held at the NY Auto Show today and I would
like to inform everyone of what was announced BY BILL BAKER, LRNA PR guy.
1997 Defender 90 - Available late 1996 and available only with an automatic
transmission.  Soft top version will follow in 97.  No airbags.  Price around
$34k. Colors are same plus red

1997 CB40-NO COMMENT!!!!!

TREK PROGRAM-Initially involving just the dealers, this will involve Camel
Trophy style competition among the dealerships however  teams involving
dealers and their customers are being considered.

Special Limited Edition Discovery-  About 250 Discos painted in camel trophy
colors will be available on a limited basis.  NO,THEY WILL NOT BE TDI
POWERED.  RATS!

BMW Badged Land Rovers- A possibility but the consensus was that we hope it
won't.

Any questions, please e-mail me.

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Subject: Re: NY Auto Show LRNA Press Release 
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 17:39:26 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <bulk.13616.19960403170340@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you wrote:

> 1997 Defender 90 - Available late 1996 and available only with an automatic
> transmission.  

	Automatic only?!?  If that's the case, then even if/when I had the
$$$, I would rather buy something else.

Ben, who wants a standard tranny Rangie one of these years (Oh and a 101"FC
     as well)

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 21:42:27 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@mail.CandW.lc>
Subject: Re: Jacking other square LRs

Hello all.
While we are on the subject of jacking procedures, this is something that 
puzzled me after reading a couple of DIY books for the 90 last year.

The owner's manual, and the Haynes manual, both specify chock the diagonally 
opposite side, engage diff lock and 1st low, and apply the hand brake.

A popular service manual repeats this on one page, but later, with reference to 
using a trolley (floor ;-) jack, states that before lifting:

 *ENSURE THAT THE HANDBRAKE IS OFF AND THE GEARBOX IS IN NEUTRAL (their caps) 
This is to ensure that the vehicle can move as the jack is raised. Reapply brake 
and gear after lifting, and release before lowering*

I thought that they were assuming a difference between using a toolkit jack on 
one wheel only and a large unit to lift the whole front or rear end, with 
different dynamics for the transmission, but no, the accompanying photos show a 
single wheel lift.

Fortunately, since I bought my  Russian Niva (also permanent 4WD) in 1989 and 
the D90 last year, I have never had to change a wheel on the road. So I have 
only had to use a jack to rotate wheels, or get better access for servicing, on 
a nice level part of my yard, using chocks, and disengaging handbrake and gears.
Any comments on the apparently conflicting advice would be much appreciated.
Allan Smith
300 Tdi 90
St. Lucia

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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 18:03:34 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: NY Auto Show LRNA Press Release

Excellent news about the D-90! 

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

On Wed, 3 Apr 1996 LANROVEFN@aol.com wrote:

> I attended the press conference held at the NY Auto Show today and I would
> like to inform everyone of what was announced BY BILL BAKER, LRNA PR guy.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
> won't.
> Any questions, please e-mail me.

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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 21:26:28 -0500
From: michelbe@login.net (Michel)
Subject: Dead odometer

Hello, all

My odometer is dead but the speedometer is working fine and accurately (I
can read the speed if I bounce on my seat at the same rythm that the needle
does). Does anybody outthere know if I can fix it and what is wrong? Since
the fuel gauge doesn't work,(that will be another topic), I sortof need the
odometer to know when will be the next time around that I will run out of gas.

Thanks!

Michel Bertrand
Sherbrooke, Quebec

1963 109 PU (Rudolph)
1968 109 SW (in the works)
1973 88 SW (21st century project)

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From: BOBMARLE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 21:25:57 -0500
Subject: Los Coyotes Trip

For all those in the Dryer(South) part of the state, and with nothing better
to do on the 27-28 of April, SCLR is heading out to the Los Coyotes Indian
Reservation for some good technical wheeling.  All are welcome!!

Refere to our home page for up-coming detailed info.
http://www.pubsvc.dsr.com/LandRover

Tim
SCLR

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From: Treski@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 21:33:27 -0500
Subject: Re: NY Auto Show LRNA Press Release

Can you day any thing more about the discos?   Like  if theeywill have  XCLs
or a roof rack  etc.      thanks

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 21:42:56 -0500
Subject: Re: SEE and HMMH (was: LR vs HMMV)

Don't forget that pursuant to Desert Storm, 250 Special Operations Vehicles 
(SOV) were ordered and delivered to the 75th Ranger Battalion - as 110-based 
gunships. They are insane-looking! I was able to get a couple of original 
sales brochures for this beast along with the NATO version (MCRV). Wow! Milan 
missle launcher is an *option.* And we debte whether or not to add a CD 
changer!

cheerz
Jim

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A lightweight
`68 2B 110 F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 19:39:30 -0800
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (Sandy Cooper)
Subject: Roof Skin

Hi,  anyone have the safari skin and mounting hardware for an 88 for sale?
If so, can you give a price quote and description of the condition.
John Cooper

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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 11:46:13 -0800
From: James Mercer <james@cs.murdoch.edu.au>
Subject: Bought a SIIa, now I have questions.

Hi Folks,

I finally took the plunge and went and bought a Land Rover, but now I have
some questions...  I am planning on getting a service manual of some kind,
but first I have to find one :\.

Firstly, about the beast itself....  The car is a 1971 SIIa 88 with the 2.25
motor, it has been fitted with free wheelling hubs, PTO winch, roobar
(bullbar for those you in kangaroo deficient countries),a weber carb and
long range fuel tanks.  

I also got given several boxes full of bits to go with the car.  I had
little choice as the guy loaded everything into the back of the car before I
arrived to pick it up.  The bits included, diffs, axels, more gears than you
can poke a stick at, carbies (original and a stromberg), brake drums + pads,
a clutch,  as well as a spare motor.  I basically inherited 20 yrs of
accumulated Land Rover crap when I bought the car - not that I am
complaining, I am sure I will find uses for the stuff one day :)

One of the more interesting bits I was given is a turbocharger, with
manifold and carb (another stromberg).  The guy used to have it set up on
his other LR(a SIII), but kept the turbo when he put an Isuzu diesel in it.
I know that there are a lot of drive train (clutch, diffs, axles) and engine
(lower compression, water injection) modifications before you can just bolt
on that much extra power, but it should make for an interesting project one
day :).

Any how, on to the point.  When I park facing up a steepish hill, I get a
puddle of oil under the car (doesn't leak parked on a flat area).  The oil
appears to be dripping out of the  bottom of the hand brake drum.  After a
freeway run, I get a splattering of oil on that back of the car.  I gather
that this means that the rear oil seal on the transfer case is shot.  Is
this a big deal to fix?? More importantly in the short term, how can I check
the oil level, and where is the best/easiest place to add oil?? I know that
they may seem like dopey questions, but I don't know so I thought I'd best ask
before I run out of the slippery stuff.

See you on (off) the road,
James.
james@cs.murdoch.edu.au

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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 22:54:54
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Re: Dead odometer

Ha! We diesel owners have a fun idiot light that tells us when to buy more 
diesel. We don't need to think. Who needs electricity: Humbug!

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:07:05 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Jack differences

Mike Loiodice mentioned the difference in prices between the Hi-Lift and 
Jack-All.  I believe the Hi-Lift has a stamped steel lifting rack and the 
Jack-All's is forged...slightly more expensive and slightly stronger.  
Still, I've seen 'em bent almost to a "J"...and it *still* worked...though 
after a bit, you were heading back from whence you came.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 23:24:11 -0500
From: michelbe@login.net (Michel)
Subject: Re: Dead odometer

Bill sayz:
>Ha! We diesel owners have a fun idiot light that tells us when to buy more 
>diesel. We don't need to think. Who needs electricity: Humbug!

But, don't you need some kind of electricity for the idiot light to work or
is the bulb filled with dozens of british fireflies?

Michel Bertrand
Sherbrooke, Quebec

1963 109 PU (Rudolph)
1968 109 SW (in the works)
1973 88 SW (21st century project)

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From: "Joshua Tanner Nevill" <jtnevill@eos.ncsu.edu>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 00:14:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Land Rover For Sale

> My 1962 SIIA 109 is still for sale.  I am considering an offer and would
> like to make a last "for sale" announcement before selling. If interested,
> please see my WWW page at home.earthlink.net/`johnliu/forsale.htm.
>-- End of excerpt from John Y. Liu

I couldn't find your www page, but I may be interested.  How bout some more
info?

Tanner Nevill-----------------------------jtnevill@eos.ncsu.edu

-- 
Joshua Tanner Nevill

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Subject: Re: GrabHandlesYouSay?!?!?!
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 96 09:53:27 -0000
From: <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

GrabHandles?

Isn't it a tool for not using a lot of rear light housings when parking 
backwards in a garage? Or when you let the car leaning at a tree when the 
*(&^$*&$#&**( handbrake doesn't work and your engine must run for some 
strange reason?

Marc Rengers
Groningen, Holland
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

   #=====#          #=========#         
   |___|__\___      |____|__|__\___    
   | _ |   |_ |}    |  _ \  |   |_ |}
   "(_)""""(_)"     "-(_)"""""""(_)" 
                                  
 1977  88" III HT    1987 110" StaWag 
    Petrol               Diesel  
   23-67-XB             RH-12-PF

also subscribed to LAND ROVER Owner
International (great magazine)

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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 10:38:58 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: SEE and HMMH (was: LR vs HMMV)

jpappa01@interserv.com wrote:
> Wow! Milan missle launcher is an *option.*

This, presumably, is for throwing bibles at the enemy!:-)

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 10:39:14 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Bought a SIIa, now I have questions.

James Mercer wrote:
> I am planning on getting a service manual of some kind,
> but first I have to find one :\.

Get the Land Rover Series Manual. Craddocks (advertise in LRO/LRW) sell them.
 
> the rear oil seal on the transfer case is shot.  Is
> this a big deal to fix??

Easy to replace. Get the manual first.

>  how can I check
> the oil level, and where is the best/easiest place to add oil??

The oil filler to the gearbox is on the left side of the case (brass plug with square 
head). Fill until it starts to overflow. Then stop.

The filler for the Transfer box is on the rear of the unit. Ditto for level.

Take care of all those spares. You will need them.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 10:39:18 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Dead odometer

Michel wrote:
> I sortof need the
> odometer to know when will be the next time around that I will run out of gas.

If you don't want to replace the dead odometer/speedo and fuel gauge, get 
yourself a fuel can and keep it full.:-)

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 1996 10:39:21 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Jacking other square LRs

Allan Smith wrote:
>  *ENSURE THAT THE HANDBRAKE IS OFF AND THE GEARBOX IS IN NEUTRAL (their caps)
> This is to ensure that the vehicle can move as the jack is raised. Reapply brake
> and gear after lifting, and release before lowering*

It is assumed that a workshop has a flat and level floor. The vehicle cannot therefore 
roll except when pushed. A trolley (floor) jack (which is intended for use only under 
these conditions) has a geometry which will require that the lifting point will move 
along the horizontal plane, relative to the base, when rising. The wheels of the jack 
cannot be relied upon to allow the base to move so the vehicle must be allowed to 
move. If not, the jack could tip. This is the theory.
Other jacks work with a simple vertical movement, but usually finish at an angle from 
the vertical, which is what makes them potentially unsafe. The higher the lift, the 
greater the angle, the more unsafe.
Remember, though, that instruction manuals are written with one eye on potential law 
suits for product liability, so the manufacturer has a duty to take account of all 
possible foreseeable hazards, one of which is the most common failure point - the nut 
behind the wheel.
Provided the vehicle is securely stabilised on axle stands before work commences, 
working underneath should be safe. Leave the jack in place, though, as an insurance 
measure, but NEVER rely on any jack as the sole support, especially if the wheels are 
removed. Many car mechanics forget this and discover that the hydraulic seals can 
suddenly let go, allowing the largest trolley jacks to fail. The result is several 
deaths and maimings each year from crushing.

Sorry to be morbid, but being run over by your own car would be SO embarrassing.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 06:32:58 -500
Subject: JohnLuiResendWWWAddress

John Lui,
Please republish your www page address.  I have been unable to access it.  
Thanks!

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 06:45:51 -500
Subject: DesertStormYouSay?

LR Gurus,
I am baffled!  Do you mean a cousin of the IIA 109 I recently rode in
was used in Desert Storm?  Either it is a very distant cousin or I am 
underappreciating the LR capability.  This vehicle was quite sluggish 
and I would greatly fear the consequences of a collision.  Can you 
drive these things at speeds over 40mph?  Mark         

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 06:50:59 -500
Subject: DeadOdometerFix

Dead Odometer Solution,
I used to have a vehicle without odometer and fuel gage.  I used a 
yardstick to determine fuel volume.  It never failed me!

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