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1 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob13Re[2]: Canadian to US exchange rate...
2 Duncan Brown [DB@CHO004.24Re: Temp. Guage vs. Thermo. Switch?
3 Danny Phillips [danny@tl25ft page 6
4 LTC Larry Smith [smithla17 What's up??
5 jim@kidd.com (jnk) 22Rallies
6 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE20Re: Land Rover skunk works project
7 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE33Re: Update: Dixon "two cylinder" Kenner's SIIA 109"
8 jim@kidd.com (jnk) 22rallies
9 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE26Not LAnd Rover Related
10 chrisste@clark.net (Chri16Re: Temp. Guage vs. Thermo. Switch?
11 [mr@grant.media-gn.nl> 28[not specified]
12 twakeman@scruznet.com (T35Re: Hi/Low Light Switch Connections?
13 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em20Re: Update: Dixon "two cylinder" Kenner's SIIA 109"
14 "Mark Gehlhausen" [Gehl@9Hi-LiftJackInfoRequest
15 ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi29Rover Rims
16 "Mark Gehlhausen" [Gehl@8What Is A Slab?
17 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em20Re: What Is A Slab?
18 Lodelane@aol.com 21Address Change
19 Nathan Dunsmore [dunsmo118Re: Temp. Guage vs. Thermo. Switch?
20 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE26Re: Update: Dixon "two cylinder" Kenner's SIIA 109"
21 Nathan Dunsmore [dunsmo121Re: Temp. Guage vs. Thermo. Switch?
22 marbourg@lanl.gov (Dougl16D90 "Locked"
23 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE20shackles
24 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em15Re: Update: Dixon "two cylinder" Kenner's SIIA 109"
25 "Mark Gehlhausen" [Gehl@11Dash & More Parts Search
26 Harincar@mooregs.com (Ti392WD-4WD (was: Log 12)
27 Fred Ellsworth [fellswor16Oil Pressure ?
28 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A16Re: Update: Dixon "two cylinder" Kenner's SIIA 109"
29 "DAVE MCKAIN" [MCKAIN@ce30 Master C ylinder
30 "DAVE MCKAIN" [MCKAIN@ce30 Brake Master Cylinder Repair
31 tning@gpu.com 28Help on 1996 Disco Price Negotiation
32 chrisste@clark.net (Chri14Re: Oil Pressure ?
33 IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILL17What is this thing called, love?
34 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em13Re: Oil Pressure ?
35 jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (29Re: SOFT - Factory Smoke Signals (SIIA)
36 Michael Carradine [cs@cr20Re: What Is A Slab?
37 JDSalerno@aol.com 9Parts
38 jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (16Re: Temp. Guage vs. Thermo. Switch?
39 Michael Carradine [cs@cr44Re: Parts
40 Benjamin Allan Smith [be32[not specified]
41 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em15Re: What Is A Slab?
42 Russell U Wilson [ruwst+21Re: What is this thing called, love?
43 Rod Steele [rsteele@spar6[not specified]
44 Russell U Wilson [ruwst+32Re: Parts
45 Simon Barclay [sbar@jna.18Re: What Is A Slab?
46 rruffer@interserv.com 17D90 Recovery Loops
47 "David J. Mercer" [merki30LAND ROVERS FOR SALE
48 S|ren Vels Christensen [5[not specified]
49 David Olley at New Conce23Re: Where should I stick my bottlejack? (!!)
50 David Olley at New Conce22Re: What is this thing called, love?
51 PurnellJE@aol.com 16Re: D90 "Locked"
52 Lodelane@aol.com 13Re: What Is A Slab?
53 Xavier541@aol.com 8Parts
54 Benjamin Allan Smith [be34[not specified]
55 Allan Smith [smitha@mail31Re: the right oil
56 David Place [dplace@SIRN19Land Rover for sale
57 landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi25Re: Hi-LiftJackInfoRequest
58 landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi26Re: Hi/Low Light Switch Connections?
59 Sanna@aol.com 8RR/Disco List?
60 twakeman@scruznet.com (T25Re: Parts
61 twakeman@scruznet.com (T31Re: Oil Pressure ?
62 JDSalerno@aol.com 10Parts catalogue
63 Daryl Webb [dwebb@waite.50Re: Rover Rims (reprise)
64 scholes@modemss.brisnet.10Jack For A Series III SWB
65 Daryl Webb [dwebb@waite.27Re: What Is A Slab?
66 jve@phaseone.dk 32109 cylinder head gaskets


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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 96 04:33:31 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@inetmail.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Canadian to US exchange rate...

... at this
>the thing is $10Cdn, you pay $7US to buy it,....

...So, how many slabs is that??

American beer or Canadian? Microbrew or macrobrew?

Dave "I know that word" B.

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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 07:38:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: Temp. Guage vs. Thermo. Switch?

> The new engine I've installed in Mathilda (SIIA 109SW) is a newer block 
> than the original '65 block.  One consequence of this is that the 
> triangular (3 screw) mount for the thermostat mixture switch on the left 
> (looking forward from the driver's seat) of the block near the front is 
> no longer present.  The new thermostat mixture switch which is a 

    Speaking only from the experience of my 1960 SII setup:  The
    triangular electrical temp hookup is for the light on the dash that
    tells you when you're an idiot and have left the choke on too long. 
    The capilarry bulb/tube hookup on the side of the head is for the
    temperature gauge.

    When I went to a Turner engine, it had the same later head without
    the hole for the triagular hookup.  So I just didn't hook it up. 
    Big deal, I say.  There are other ways to know if you've left the
    choke on too long!  I definitely want the temp gauge to work,
    though.

    Duncan

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From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>
Subject: ft page 6
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 96 13:52:03 BST

Dear all, i realise i have broken a cardinal sin by cross posting to both
lists, but for all of you who can get the financial times, page 7 has a full
page advert by none other than rover/landrover/mg to say they have won a 
1995 supplier excellence award, (or is it THE).

This is good news as they will have to get better to win again.

but the really interesting bit is, most improved company is none other than 
LUCAS WIRING SYSTEMS. :-)

I can hear you all laughing.

danny.

p.s. by the way i was clearing out the loft the other day and came across a
old autocar from early eighties, which had an article in it about lucas
winning a contract to supply wiring looms to BMW over Bosch as the BMW guy
said they were of a higher quality.....ha ha ha ha ha ha bonk (laughed my
head off, old but funny) :-)

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Date:     Mon, 1 Apr 96 7:45:02 EST (1245Z)
From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil>
Subject:  What's up??

To all,

What's up with the Major?  Haven't had
any postings since Friday.  Was off the
net all weekend and finally signed on
this morning expecting a lot of traffic.
Nada.  Problems with the server on my
side??

Thanks!

Larry

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:37:21 -0400
From: jim@kidd.com (jnk)
Subject: Rallies

Hello everyone,

This is an apology for all interested in the April 19-21 Florida Rally. I
will be doing a mailing this week with a flyer and directions. Sorry for
the delay.

My father and I went to a rally this weekend in Chuluota, Fl at Karl
Deintz(Sp?) place. We had a good time except for the rain, 10" or so in one
day. The amount of rain was incredible. Steve Johnson managed to put his
88" under water and we did a 2 hour axle change to Stuart Johnson's 88"
after he broke the inner part of the front left axle. Apparently the LRNA
guys were supposed to have a rally in the Ocala National Forest for all new
rover owners, but there wasn't enough interest, so they cancelled. They
were going to have Camel Trophy guys and everything.

Jim Karantinos
Tallahassee, FL

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:52:30 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Land Rover skunk works project

> http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/page/1.html
> Lloyd

-
 Very interesting Lloyd.  >;-)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:07:44 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Update: Dixon "two cylinder" Kenner's SIIA 109"

Dixon brags:
snip
> 	the rear diff doesn't hold oil anymore (last change got me a fist
> 	full of bolts, locking tabs etc (I have a spare in the back for
> 	when it blows, but I'm going to use it to destruction))
snip
Careful on this one Dixon. This happened to my '73 88. The mechanic 
at the LR dealer said it was not uncommon for that year, he'd seen 
several where the lock tabs failed and the crownwheel bolts backed 
out. The problem you get is that as they are only partially backed 
out, they rub on the housing and can cause it to flare out a bit on 
the inside. I had only two bolts back out far enough to do that and I 
had a dickens of a time getting the diff out of the axle housing. 
Once out it was a simple matter to, one at a time, remove the 
crownwheel bolts, clean the holes with BrakeKleene and install new 
bolts with LocTite. Never had another problem.
Have fun doing beside the road. Especially if it trashes the ends of 
your axles so you can't withdraw them from the diff. 

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:08:26 -0400
From: jim@kidd.com (jnk)
Subject: rallies

Hello everyone,

This is an apology for all interested in the April 19-21 Florida Rally. I
will be doing a mailing this week with a flyer and directions. Sorry for
the delay.

My father and I went to a rally this weekend in Chuluota, Fl at Karl
Deintz(Sp?) place. We had a good time except for the rain, 10" or so in one
day. The amount of rain was incredible. Steve Johnson managed to put his
88" under water and we did a 2 hour axle change to Stuart Johnson's 88"
after he broke the inner part of the front left axle. Apparently the LRNA
guys were supposed to have a rally in the Ocala National Forest for all new
rover owners, but there wasn't enough interest, so they cancelled. They
were going to have Camel Trophy guys and everything.

Jim Karantinos
Tallahassee, FL

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 08:18:51 GMT -0600
Subject: Not LAnd Rover Related

http://pubs.iworld.com/iw-online/Apr96/surf.html#lincoln
 
>From Internet World --->

>      Lincoln's Online Address
>      The Dead Sea Scrolls may have taken years to reach the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
>      makes it easy for students to learn the difference between
>      reality and what they read.

>---

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:20:49 -0500 (EST)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Re: Temp. Guage vs. Thermo. Switch?

>Is there an alternate location for either sensor?

I had the same problem when I installed a new head last summer...no place
for the temp probe. The solution, provided by Rovers North: just ground the
wire to the block somewhere. That way the cold start light will still work,
although it will simply tell you if your choke is on or not. What else are
they good for anyway?

Chris Stevens
'69 SRIIA 88" SW
Towson, MD

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Subject: whats wrong with the net
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 96 16:30:57 -0000
From: <mr@grant.media-gn.nl>

Hello everyone,

what's wrong with the net?
When I sent a mail I receive a mail from "Via Worldtalk 400 Gateway, 
X-400-MAILER-DAEMON@mailport.delta-air.c......." with the message that 
the recipient can't be found.
Strange, because I only mail to the mailing list.

Anyone who has got this strange effect on sending mail?

Sorry for the 'non Land Rover' used bandwidth.

Marc Rengers
Groningen, Holland
mr@grant.media-gn.nl

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 07:17:41 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Hi/Low Light Switch Connections?

At  6:49 PM 3/31/96 -0800, Jeremy Bartlett wrote:
>I'm hoping someone can save me the effort of some trial and error
>testing.  I'm trying to figure out how to connect the wiring for the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>Thanks for any input.
>Jeremy

Jeremy
If the switch is a three terminal switch like the Land Rover switch
Terminals A, B. C) is if the switch is in position one, there would be
essentually zero resistance between terninal A (input) and terminal B.  In
the other position there would be no resisance between terminal A and
terminal C.  Terminal A gets the lead from the light switch.  The other
terminals go off to the headlights.

You can determine the common terminal with a volt meter, continuity testor,
or batery and light.

If you are looking for someone to tell you which terminal is which, you
probably should poll a Ford mail group and not a land Rover mail group. So
when did you start converting your Land Rover to a Ford?  Are you trying to
keep up with Mo?

 (World- Jeremy & I are friends so don't take this as a non-carring flame)

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:17:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Update: Dixon "two cylinder" Kenner's SIIA 109"

On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> Careful on this one Dixon. This happened to my '73 88. The mechanic 
> at the LR dealer said it was not uncommon for that year, he'd seen 

	The 109 is a '64.  I have a NADA rear axle sitting down in the
	Eastern Townships of Quebec that should appear in the next couple
	of months.  When it does, the rear shocks, springs, new check 
	straps, etc will be put on.  The back of the current casing is
	a bit holed from the bolts flying about (though a hammer does seal
	many up) and some are difficult to address considering it is getting
	just a bit rotten.  Some huge weld marks on the back of the casing
	from the PO, or PO to the PO (Canadian Government).  Most likely
	the later.  The PO used the 109 for a year before putting it on 
	blocks for the subsequent 18 years.

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:15:52 -500
Subject: Hi-LiftJackInfoRequest

Tell me more about the hi-lift jack?  Where is it made?  What does it 
cost?  Where can I buy one?  Is hi-lift a generic name or a trademark
of some company?  Mark  

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:27:33 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Rover Rims

Dear All,
        Daryl wrote that some of my part numbers are wrong, well number
crunching from a book may yeild that my number updates may not be correct.
So although you may have more time to paw through the written page... here
are the facts from what does and does not fit over RR and Defender axles as
the get put into Series Rovers...These are from actually running these rims
on the road, so if the numbers are wrong, sorry.
        Old rims Rover part number 231601 are the rims to use if you don't
want flares. We have tried them all. They just barely fit with 7.50x16's.
        The Rover rim 272309, usually found on Rovers in the US will stick out.
        15 inch rims will not pass the calipers.
        The Discovery spare wheel... I was told by Mark at Rovers North
that these used the max. offset. I never measured them, and took his word
for it. We have only put those on SIII's that have been fitted with wheel
flares. So by first hand knowledge the only rim that will work is a 231601,
otherwise fit flares of some sort.

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:29:46 -500
Subject: What Is A Slab?

Although not LRO related, "What's all this slab stuff 
anyway?"  What is a slab?  Mark 

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:38:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: What Is A Slab?

On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Mark Gehlhausen wrote:

> Although not LRO related, "What's all this slab stuff 
> anyway?"  What is a slab?  Mark 

	Generic term for a Saab 900 comes to mind.  (Semi on-topic.
	The engine is from the TR-7, so it qualified as British)

	Rgds,

	(Actually the alternate LR transportation method up here for me.
	 Also probably the most common second car amongst local OVLR 
	 members.  Winter meetings/socials can look like a Saab club event
	 rather than a LR event...  Saabs also pull well behind a 109,
	 even without wheels, but that is entirely another story...)

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:44:58 -0500
Subject: Address Change

To all,

Well, looks like the net police caught up with me.  I can still receive
individual mail at my old address (smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil), but
anything from either land-rover-owner or rro is being bounced.  I will be
unsubscribing the old address from both systems.  If this has been clogging
up either mail system, my profound appologies.

I will monitor the nets thru AOL from now on.  E-mail can be received at
either the old or this new address.

'til later,

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 10:02:45 -0500
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Temp. Guage vs. Thermo. Switch?

Chris Stevens wrote:
> >Is there an alternate location for either sensor?
> I had the same problem when I installed a new head last summer...no place
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> '69 SRIIA 88" SW
> Towson, MD

Chris,

Tell me more about this!  I don't have a switch on the choke itself.  Is there a way to 
get the sensor to work without it?

Nate

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:04:34 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Update: Dixon "two cylinder" Kenner's SIIA 109"

Dixon replies:

> 	The 109 is a '64. 
Oh, I knew your's was older, I was only trying to strike fear in the 
hearts of those later SIII owners:-)

> 	straps, etc will be put on.  The back of the current casing is
> 	a bit holed from the bolts flying about (though a hammer does seal
> 	many up) and some are difficult to address considering it is getting
> 	just a bit rotten.  Some huge weld marks on the back of the casing
doesn't sound like you really have anything to loose.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 09:58:17 -0500
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Temp. Guage vs. Thermo. Switch?

Jeremy Bartlett wrote:
> Yup, I've yet another question on 2.25 l setups.
> The new engine I've installed in Mathilda (SIIA 109SW) is a newer block
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 35 lines)]
> Cheers,
> Jeremy

You must be using the Haynes guide.  The picture there is mislabeled.  That triangular 
shaped piece is not the thermostat sensor it is the cold start sensor.  The thermostat 
sensor is just exactly where you described it.  The real answer is there is no opening 
for the cold start sensor.   (Not a big loss)

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 09:14:53 -0700
From: marbourg@lanl.gov (Douglas C. Marbourg)
Subject: D90 "Locked"

Great, I was hoping someone would say that the front/rear traction SLAM
would cease to exist with the introduction of lockers.  I live in Santa Fe
NM, and we have the same type of sandy turrain as Arizona.  Yea, I distroyed
my rear diff. trying to go up something I should'nt have attempted without
lockers, got in a jam, and the rest is a lesson well learned.  I'm now
saving my pennies for ARBs front and rear.  Has anyone had bad experiences?
(ie. solenoid "blowouts", non-engagement, leaks etc.?)  Thanks.
Happy Trails!,

Doug Marbourg: Santa Fe NM, 94' NAS D90
marbourg@lanl.gov

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:18:12 GMT -0600
Subject: shackles

There was a thread last week on the rro list concerning tow straps 
and shackles. Someone made the comment that you should use a shackle 
rather than a hook, because they were rated higher than the tow 
straps. It depends. I posted the ratings of alloy shackles to the rro 
list. If anyone wants a copy of the post e-mail me privately.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:25:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Update: Dixon "two cylinder" Kenner's SIIA 109"

On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> Oh, I knew your's was older, I was only trying to strike fear in the 
> hearts of those later SIII owners:-)

	Oh, the modern stuff that isn't as well made... :-)

> doesn't sound like you really have anything to loose.

	Consider it a test of LR engineering prowness...

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.nwscc.sea06.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 11:34:02 -500
Subject: Dash & More Parts Search

LR Users Group,
I am seeking a dash for a IIA.  It is the large rectangular type, 
centrally located.  Also, I need the two handles bolted to the 
frame rear.  I appreciate any assistance in locating these parts.  
Thanks!  Mark   

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar-MS)
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 11:10:01 -0600
Subject: 2WD-4WD (was: Log 12)

Duncan wrote:

> With the gearbox in any gear, have someone else hold the other wheel
> while you spin one.  If the front driveshaft turns, you're in 2WD.
> Even simpler- YOU spin the front driveshaft by hand.  If you can,
> it's in 2WD, if you can't, the transfer case has it in lockstep with
> the rear driveshaft and gearbox, i.e. you're in 4WD.

Hmm. I was afraid of that. I tried turning the shaft, and it would turn
a little (maybe an eighth) to each side, then stop.

I also tried putting a chock under one wheel and turning the other (the
things you think up when working without an assistant), no dice there
either. Looks like I got something screwed up in the xfer case...

Lets see. If I can get the output shaft assembly cover off while keeping
the mechanicals in place, I should be able to tell if the front output
dog is engaging-releasing properly... (I've been looking at the drawings
for all this stuff). Maybe that selector fork is bent or broken...
Maybe I can still do this without pulling the whole damn gearbox apart.

On the bright side... :-) I'm doing this now, while I have planned
downtime; and the body's off, so things are easy to access; the VISA's
still paid up; and I'm getting a lot of points on my Rover's North
restoration program, maybe I'll be getting that roof tent after all...

:-)

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW "restoration by force"

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:10:16 -0500
From: Fred Ellsworth <fellswor@camb-lads.loral.com>
Subject: Oil Pressure ?

Hi All,
Anyone know how long should it take for my oil pressure to come up when I
first start the vehicle?  I mentioned that I recently put in a Smith's
mechanical oil pressure gauge and I noticed this morning that when starting
from cold it takes 10-12 seconds for the gauge to get up to operating
pressure of about 40lbs.  Is this due to a lag in the gauge or is there
really no or low oil pressure to the engine for that long??

Fred Ellsworth
fellswor@camb-lads.loral.com
(617) 441-2113

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  1 Apr 96 12:40:42 EST
Subject: Re: Update: Dixon "two cylinder" Kenner's SIIA 109"

Exchange between Tom Rowe and Dixon:

>> doesn't sound like you really have anything to loose.
> Consider it a test of LR engineering prowness...

Consider it a case of Dixon's too lazy to change it till it blows up.....

   aj"JUST FIX THE DAMN THING!"r

 

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From: "DAVE MCKAIN" <MCKAIN@cemr.wvu.edu>
Date:          Mon, 1 Apr 1996 13:55:01 EDT
Subject:       Master C ylinder

Dear All,
I'm looking for a recommendation (other than replacement) for fixing 
a CB type brake master cylinder. I honed the cylinder and replaced 
the seals but it still seems to weep brake fluid out into the 
footwell from where the actuator rod goes into the cylinder. I have 
another cylinder but its only a few years younger.

For the dimmer switch,  there should be 3 terminals, one for juice 
from the ignition/light switch, one for high beams and one for low. 
Normally the indicator on the dash is wired from where the headlamps 
are connected up near the breakfast. Any old dimmer switch will work.
 
Thanks, 

David McKain
1972 SIII SWB (parting)
1970 SIIA SWB (parting)
1969 SIIA SWB (rebuilding)
1959 SII Ex-Mil SWB
1963 SIIA SWB (parting)
mckain@cemr.wvu.edu
(304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV
USA                     

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From: "DAVE MCKAIN" <MCKAIN@cemr.wvu.edu>
Date:          Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:04:47 EDT
Subject:       Brake Master Cylinder Repair

Dear All,
I'm looking for a recommendation (other than replacement) for fixing 
a CB type brake master cylinder. I honed the cylinder and replaced 
the seals but it still seems to weep brake fluid out into the 
footwell from where the actuator rod goes into the cylinder. I have 
another cylinder but its only a few years younger.

For the dimmer switch,  there should be 3 terminals, one for juice 
from the ignition/light switch, one for high beams and one for low. 
Normally the indicator on the dash is wired from where the headlamps 
are connected up near the breakfast. Any old dimmer switch will work.

Thanks, 

David McKain
1972 SIII SWB (parting)
1970 SIIA SWB (parting)
1969 SIIA SWB (rebuilding)
1959 SII Ex-Mil SWB
1963 SIIA SWB (parting)
mckain@cemr.wvu.edu
(304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV
USA                     

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From: tning@gpu.com
Date:  1 Apr 96 14:16:07 
Subject: Help on 1996 Disco Price Negotiation

Hi All,
 I just took a test drive of a 1996 Disco SE7 demo this past Saturday.  That 
was my first experience of driving a Land Rover.  I must say I was very 
impressed with the ride comfort; alot better than I imagined.  I asked the 
dealer to take me off-roading but there wasn't any place nearby.....   I was 
quite disappointed.  From talking to the dealer I got an impression that price 
negotiation is going to be a really tough one. The dealer said that they only 
take a thousand off the top-of-the-line model (SE7).  That's it???!!!  The MSRP 
is already 12 to 13% over dealers invoice and they have a 9% holdback on top of 
that.  They only discount $1,000 out of a minimum $3,000 profit per Disco 
sold!!!   Any thought on that?  What were some Disco owners price negotiation 
like?  How did it come out?  I'm looking at either SD or SE model.  Any input 
will be greatly appreciated.
 BTW, the US Camel Trophy team was at the dealership (Prestige Land Rover in 
Paramus, NJ) along with other Land Rover owners.  But I missed the event.  Did 
anybody from the list make it that day?

Thanks.

Tony K Ning
tning@gpu.com
tkn9389@hertz.njit.edu

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:58:16 -0500 (EST)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure ?

>Anyone know how long should it take for my oil pressure to come up when I
>first start the vehicle?

It usually takes 10 seconds or so for mine to reach 40-45 psi, unless the
beast is pointed down hill.

Chris Stevens
'69 SRIIa 88" SW
Towson, MD

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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 15:12:56
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: What is this thing called, love?

With the wiper motor being one of those oft-stared-at items at traffic lights 
I began wondering what the purpose of that capacitor-looking object attached 
to the windscreen next to the motor is. I'm sure it does something, but I 
can't find it in the manual. 

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:10:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure ?

On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Chris Stevens wrote:

| >Anyone know how long should it take for my oil pressure to come up when I
| >first start the vehicle?
| It usually takes 10 seconds or so for mine to reach 40-45 psi, unless the
| beast is pointed down hill.

	About 10 seconds to reach 65psi.  Once warm, 45psi on idle.

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:12:19 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: SOFT - Factory Smoke Signals (SIIA)

You wrote: 
snip
 >>Mathilda (SIIA 109) I noticed that the factory set up is prone to 
 >>shorting the system out.  I guess this classifies as a Stupid Original 
 >>Factory Trick (SOFT).
snip
 >Boy, I was about to guess this may have been a PLOT (Previous "Lazy" Owner
 >Trick),because I had never noticed the triangular tab before.So I figured
 >someone didn't want to bother with the clamps.
 >Then I had a look at a 65 wing and sure enough,there it was.So it really is
 >a SOFT.
 >My wiring is encased in a plastic tubing there and the point can't penetrate.
 >But this is a good place to remember when the fuses start blowing.
 >BTW I have self resetting circuit breakers instead of fuses on Sherman.They
 >plug directly into the fuse block.
 >
 >Bob B

Ah, don't be too sure :)  Mine were also encased in the factory plastic which 
had been breached.  Circuit breakers are also in the plans for Mathilda.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 12:14:33 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: What Is A Slab?

At 10:29 AM 4/1/96 -500, you wrote:
>Although not LRO related, "What's all this slab stuff 
>anyway?"  What is a slab?  Mark 

 Near as I can make out, it is a flat of 24 beers, with the new slabs
 being introduced being only 18 beers.  In some parts of Australia they
 are equivalent of currency :)    Oh... and the beers are full pints %)

 Cheers,
                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: JDSalerno@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:20:52 -0500
Subject: Parts

Are there any reputable parts distributors on the wect coast?  If not, which
of the eastern outfits has the most competitive prices.  I'd like the phone
numbers of any distributors.  Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 12:24:39 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Temp. Guage vs. Thermo. Switch?

Well, thanks to one and all for the rapid and informative responses.  
The consensus seems to be to do without the choke idiot light (ground 
to block).  This does make a lot of sense.  I was hoping someone might 
have a cure that allowed me to keep it.

But then again, if I don't notice an extended choke handle, am I likely 
to notice an idiot light in the same general area?  Probably not.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 12:50:33 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Parts

At 03:20 PM 4/1/96 -0500, <JDSalerno@aol.com> wrote:
:Are there any reputable parts distributors on the wect coast?  If not, which
:of the eastern outfits has the most competitive prices.  I'd like the phone
:numbers of any distributors.  Thanks.

 Here are the major L-Rover parts houses in the US that keep these
 aluminum workhorses on and off the road.  In California try ABC and BP,
 both of which enjoy a fine reputation in the L-R community.

      AB    Atlantic British Ltd.       Ph.  800-533-2210 Orders
            PO Box 110                  Ph.  518-664-6169
            Mechanicville, NY 12118     Fax  518-664-6641

      ABC   Atlantic British Parts of California
            PO Box 620                  Ph.  916-778-3937
            Lewiston, CA 96052          Fax  916-778-3937

      BP    British Pacific Ltd.        Ph.  800-554-4133 Orders
            3317 Burton Avenue          Ph.  818-841-8945
            Burbank, CA 91504           Fax  818-841-3825

      DAP   D.A.P. Enterprises, Inc     Ph.  802-885-6660
            86 Clinton Street           Fax  802-885-6662
            Springfield, VT 05156

      RN    Rovers North, Inc           Ph.  802-879-0032
            Route 128                   Fax  802-879-9152
            Westford, VT 05494-9601

 As they say, "Use them or lose them"  :)

 Cheers,

                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Subject: Re: Parts 
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 13:24:04 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <bulk.1384.19960401121947@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you wrote:

> Are there any reputable parts distributors on the wect coast?  If not, which
> of the eastern outfits has the most competitive prices.  I'd like the phone
> numbers of any distributors.  Thanks.

	Look at the Land Rover FAQ at:  

http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.top.html      (for the FAQ)
http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.5.parts.html  (for the section on vendors)

	I've had very good service from British Pacific and Rovers North.  
Michael Carradine's list is a good start, but there are a number of new
parts stores (like Euro Rover) that have recently gotten into the business.

	If you are looking for parts for Range Rovers, Defenders or Discoveries
in the US, you could also check with your local LR dealer.  (a list is
also in the FAQ)

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:37:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: What Is A Slab?

On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Michael Carradine wrote:

| >Although not LRO related, "What's all this slab stuff 
| >anyway?"  What is a slab?  Mark 
|  Near as I can make out, it is a flat of 24 beers, with the new slabs
|  being introduced being only 18 beers.  In some parts of Australia they
|  are equivalent of currency :)    Oh... and the beers are full pints %)

	Never heard the term used for a flat of beer (which as you note is
	a 24.  A case has 12)

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:36:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: What is this thing called, love?

On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, WILLIAM ADAMS wrote:

> With the wiper motor being one of those oft-stared-at items at traffic lights 
> I began wondering what the purpose of that capacitor-looking object attached 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> to the windscreen next to the motor is. I'm sure it does something, but I 
> can't find it in the manual. 
Check the section of the manual under cleaning.  It's probably just a 
dead bug. ...... I just went and looked at my wiper motor and have NO 
idea what you are refering to. I guess you could remove it and see if 
your wiper works without it.  If not, replace it at once and chalk it up 
to experience.

Russ W.

 

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@sparky.transdata.ca>
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 15:21:48 -0500

unsubscribe land-rover-owner Rod Steele <rsteele@sparky.transdata.ca>

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:48:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Parts

On Mon, 1 Apr 1996 JDSalerno@aol.com wrote:

> Are there any reputable parts distributors on the wect coast?  If not, which
> of the eastern outfits has the most competitive prices.  I'd like the phone
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> of the eastern outfits has the most competitive prices.  I'd like the phone
> numbers of any distributors.  Thanks.
British Pacific...1-800-554-4133 (Ca)   Good guys. They sell Genuine 
parts which are recommended.
 They have some of my $

Rovers North 802-879-0032 (Vt) Good also, They are the only other  Genuine 
parts distributor that I know of.
 They have most of my $$$

D.A.P. is also a good source for parts....802-885-6660
friend bought an entire engine from these guys....very pleased with it.

most important of all is who you stay the hell away from.....Atlantic 
British is to be avoided.  Others may yell and scream"I've been buying 
for years and I love them"  well, fine you just do that but I'll just say 
that I'd rather drink paint than let those bastards see one penny of my cash.

Good luck

Russ W.
67 swb "The Pig"

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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: Re: What Is A Slab?
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 08:01:00 EST

On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, Michael Carradine wrote:

| >Although not LRO related, "What's all this slab stuff
| >anyway?"  What is a slab?  Mark
|  Near as I can make out, it is a flat of 24 beers, with the new slabs
|  being introduced being only 18 beers.  In some parts of Australia they
|  are equivalent of currency :)    Oh... and the beers are full pints %)
        >Never heard the term used for a flat of beer (which as you note is
        >a 24.  A case has 12)

In most of Australia they are used as currency - it's just their value 
increases with the remoteness.  And of course the colder the better....

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From: rruffer@interserv.com
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:02:52 -0800
Subject: D90 Recovery Loops

Brian with a D90 asks:
"Anyone have an inexpensive source for military recovery hoops?"

I don't know whether you consider this inexpensive, but Rovers North sells them 
for $45 a piece (comes with mounting bolt).  Don't get more than 2 because they 
only fit the front.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
'94 D90

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From: "David J. Mercer" <merkin@sierra.net>
Subject: LAND ROVERS FOR SALE
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 14:29:35 -0800

LAND ROVERS FOR SALE

1965 series 2A 88" RHD
green body/ white top
rebuilt 2.25l engine
rebuilt transmission
ferry overdrive
rebuilt front-end
new Weber carburetor
new radiator
new water pump
new rear springs
stainless steal exhaust
new seats
no rust on frame
$9000

1957 S1 107" RHD five door safari station wagon
all original
great condition
$15000

call David at 916-583-4150 or Markus at 916-581-1721
or E-MAIL "merkin@sierra.net"

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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 01:00:16 +0200 (METDST)
From: S|ren Vels Christensen <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>

subscribe land-rover-owner velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk

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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 00:14:10 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Where should I stick my bottlejack? (!!)

Andy Woodward wrote:
> Are there any problems with sticking these under 90 axles? Where's the best
> place?

Oh dear, Andy. Just too tempting for words. I have my own views on where to 
stick a bottle jack (and so do some of our customers who have tried them).

Have you looked at our product? Our web pages give info on it, if you are 
interested.

Cheers
-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 00:30:11 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: What is this thing called, love?

WILLIAM ADAMS wrote:

> I began wondering what the purpose of that capacitor-looking object attached
> to the windscreen next to the motor is. I'm sure it does something, but I
> can't find it in the manual.

If it is a capacitor, and it is connected to the wiper motor, it was probably 
put there by a PO to cut RF interference with radio reception, caused by worn 
brushes and commutator. Standard practice with all brushed electric motors, no?

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:22:54 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 "Locked"

In a message dated 96-04-01 11:20:48 EST, you write:

>Yea, I distroyed
>my rear diff. trying to go up something I should'nt have attempted without
>lockers, got in a jam, and the rest is a lesson well learned. 

ARBs fine and dandy... I wanna know how you got HOME!

John
un-locked D90

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 20:14:35 -0500
Subject: Re: What Is A Slab?

Beg your pardon, but the Resident Aussie here calls a U.S. "case" a "carton".

For what its worth,

Larry Smith
'72 SWB Petrol - Grover
Chester, VA

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From: Xavier541@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 20:22:58 -0500
Subject: Parts

Are ther any parts dealers on the west coast?  Which of all the distributors
has the best outfit?  What are the phone numbers of any of the distributors?

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Subject: Re: Parts 
Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 17:34:51 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <bulk.4452.19960401172151@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you wrote:

> Are ther any parts dealers on the west coast?  Which of all the distributors
> has the best outfit?  What are the phone numbers of any of the distributors?

	Is there an echo here?  I know of 6 vendors on the west coast (2 in
California, 1 in Washington, 1 in Oregon, 1 in Arizona and one in New Mexico).  
Some of these vendors cater only to Series Land Rovers and some sell parts for
all Land Rovers.  Read the Land Rover FAQ:

http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.parts.html  (for the vendors section).

	If you don't have a web browser email me and I'll send you copy of the
document.

	Personally, I like British Pacific in Burbank, California.  I think 
they have the best prices on quality parts and they are convienent (for me).
Then again, I buy Series Parts.   If you are looking for Defender, Disco or
Range Rover parts, you can always find them at LR dealers (for a $$$ price 
though) 

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:10:49 -0500
From: Allan Smith <smitha@mail.CandW.lc>
Subject: Re: the right oil

Well, almost.

The grade of  dino engine oil available here comes under the D90 workshop manual 
category as, quote, *for emergency use only*. Knowing the recommended spec I 
dropped by the Shell depot near here a few months ago to meet their oil man. 
Apparently the better quality oil isn't known here so they don't bring it in. If 
people aren't buying it,  why would we bother to import it?
OK, yes, let's not  venture into that conundrum. I'll stick with 5000k oil 
changes.
Then last week, for the first time, synthetic oil appeared in the Shell gas 
stations. However, Shell must know something about global cooling that we 
haven't heard yet. It is available in 5W-40 only. Checking the manual, this is 
good to minus 30 Celsius, which is PDC in Fahrenheit too. The lowest temperature 
tolerance available in any of the manuals, with the maximum requirement for 
additives (I checked the FAQ again in disbelief) for a destination that has an 
ambient temperature range of about 27 - 32 degrees Celsius.

It may be possible for an company to ship this oil to somewhere less 
appropriate, but for year-round unsuitability I think we would high on the list. 

So, after that tale of woe, with a narrower viscosity range around 40W, would 
the CCMC G5/PD2 spec be appropriate for the 300Tdi?

I have posted this, with apologies, to two lists. I have a UK-spec vehicle and 
local suppliers of US-spec materials.
Allan

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 20:20:40 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Land Rover for sale

1969 88" IIA very clean. Very straight body with no dints or scratches 
and good glass. Engine has a diesel crank and reworked heads and front 
timing chain area for heavy duty heater etc.  Changed to alternator.  
Rear heater added for comfort as well as soundproofing and insulation.
Rebuilt engine, good frame, two tops, new paint, new interior, winch, 
locking hubs, black deluxe seats, picture on Jimmy Patrick's WWW.  $10,000 
U.S. I have found another and I enjoy the mechanical part more than the 
driving so I am starting another frame up rebuild.  This one is one of 
the best in Manitoba.  You can get a second opinion from others on the 
net who have seen it.  If you want a VHS for serious buyers I can arrange 
it for the price of the tape. This 88 was torn down and redone.  New 
swivil pins, brakes etc.  Frame is perfect.  Repainted at time of 
rebuild.  Everything works.  Could deal on Safari top as well.    Dave 
VE4PN

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:38:15 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Hi-LiftJackInfoRequest

Mark asks....

>Tell me more about the hi-lift jack?  Where is it made?  What does it 
>cost?  Where can I buy one?  Is hi-lift a generic name or a trademark
>of some company?  Mark  
-

There are two makes of this type of jack. Hi-Lift and Jack-All.  Both are
similar in appearance and function.
The Hi-Lift is made in America, while the Jack-All is made in Canada. The
Jack-All is supposedly the more rugged of the two and I believe it has a
higher lifting capacity.

Here in New York State, you can find the Hi-Lift at farming supply places
(like Central Tractor) for about $50 US. Rovers North and Atlantic British
both sell the Jack-All for around $65 US. The other Rover supply places may
also carry it.

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:38:13 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Hi/Low Light Switch Connections?

Jeremy has a Ford dimmer....

>switch (no instructions anywhere - parts packet or books).  As a 
>starting guess I'd say white on blue on one side; red on blue on the 
>other and blue on the upper center terminal.  Wrong??
-

Sounds about right. The Blue wire is the "hot" wire from the main light switch.
Blue/White is the High beams (main beams)
Blue/Red is the Low beams (dip beams)

All you have to figure out is which connector on the switch is the common
terminal and connect the Blue wire to that. The other two wires can go on
either remaining terminal.

I have what I think is a Ford dimmer on my IIa, mounted to the left of the
steering column on the dash. The three connectors are arranged in two rows.
The connector on the row by itself is the common.

Cheers
Mike

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 22:47:09 -0500
Subject: RR/Disco List?

Hey, did the Major split the LR list?  Where are the RR/Disco postings? -
Tony

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 20:31:49 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Parts

At  3:20 PM 4/1/96 -0500, JDSalerno@aol.com wrote:
>Are there any reputable parts distributors on the wect coast?  If not, which
>of the eastern outfits has the most competitive prices.  I'd like the phone
>numbers of any distributors.  Thanks.

Indeedy do there is.

British Pacific in Southern CA (BRITPAC@AOL)

The generally have the best price of the US suppliers and quality of parts
is very big with them.  You didn't say what you had, but they carry a large
selection of parts forthe series rigs and the plushmobiles.

They are my #1 choice for US located parts.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 20:32:40 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure ?

At 12:10 PM 4/1/96 -0500, Fred Ellsworth wrote:
>Hi All,
>Anyone know how long should it take for my oil pressure to come up when I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>fellswor@camb-lads.loral.com
>(617) 441-2113

Fred is this 40 pounds at idle or at working RPM?

You didn't mention the engine but a 2-1/4L petrol should have about 25 on
idle & over 50 at working RPMs.

40 sec is way long unless you are using 50 wt in sub zero temps.

You might try blowing out the tube to see if its partially clogged.

Disconnect the tube at the guage, put a container at the end and turn the
engine over with the ignition off or with the center dist cap  wire removed
if its a neg earth from factory car. That should clear anything in the
line.

TeriAnn

twakeman@scruznet.com   <- NOTE NEW ADDRESS

Celebrating my tenth year on Usenet/Internet

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From: JDSalerno@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 23:58:00 -0500
Subject: Parts catalogue

I recently bought a series III and need to find access to parts suppliers,
preferably close to the west coast, USA, ie Oregon.  There are no local
sources.  If anyone could suggest a reasonable source for parts with a phone
contact number, I would appreciate it.  

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Rover Rims (reprise)
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 15:08:35 +0930 (CST)

Oh sh*t, Mike seems a bit upset with me:-)
*
> Daryl wrote that some of my part numbers are wrong.
*
Ah no, just that some of the comments re offset didnt make a lot of sense 
to me. Particularly Disco v's 272309's.  Hey I keep forgetting that post '68 
109's are a bit rare over there, so you guys will have very few of the 1 
5/16" (33mm) offset rims. 
*
> crunching from a book may yeild that my number updates may not be correct.
> So although you may have more time to paw through the written page... 
*
Hey Woah horsey, I measured the suckers 'cause I was looking to replace 
the incorrect 272309 1 13/16" rims on my stage 1. I just measured and 
recorded what was available at the time. I'd heard so many conflicting 
stories, (like that D110 and SIII rims are different, measurements say 
otherwise) I just want some solid numbers before I shell out cash.
Hell i cant win, i get jumped on on RRO for not looking things up in a 
book and on LRO for looking things up.:-(  
*
> are the facts from what does and does not fit over RR and Defender axles as
> the get put into Series Rovers...These are from actually running these rims
> on the road, so if the numbers are wrong, sorry.
*
If they fit, then the numbers aint wrong.....
*
>         The Discovery spare wheel... I was told by Mark at Rovers North
> that these used the max. offset. I never measured them, and took his word
*
This is probably true for the current model rovers.  Here in OZ the 
D110's and Disco's both run 33mm offset (d110 5.5 X 16 , disco 7.0 x 16 
and the D130's run 20.6mm offset (6.5 x 16).  There is an optional (OZ 
only I believe, AGY pn.) 6.0 x 16 rim for the D110's but that is also 
33mm.
I doubt that there is a current equivalent to the 272309's 46mm offset.
*
> So by first hand knowledge the only rim that will work is a 231601,
> otherwise fit flares of some sort.
*
Hey I learnt something :-). Is this the 88" 5.0 x 16 rim?

cheers
-- 
Daryl

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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:24:53 -0900
From: scholes@modemss.brisnet.org.au (David  R Scholes)
Subject: Jack For A Series III SWB

My 1978 SIII SWB has come to me without a jack. Great until my first flat
comes along. I've recieved all sorts of different advice on what sort of
jack to be and I'm confused as to which is the best option. Any kind souls
out there prepared to share their experiences and give me the benefit of
their advice?

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: What Is A Slab?
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:17:08 +0930 (CST)

Simon quite rightly tells us: 
> In most of Australia they are used as currency - it's just their value 
> increases with the remoteness.  And of course the colder the better....

Of course "slabs" are more commonly refered to as cartons,  12 beers is 
half a carton. (this is cans and glass "stubbies", 375ml)  Glass "Long 
Necks" (750ml) come 12 per case, but cartons fit in the esky better. 

In many parts of OZ the severity of a bogging is defined in cartons, as in.
"two carton bog", "five carton bog" etc.

This unit is based upon how many cartons are consumed before the vehicle
is out of the bog.  The worst I've seen was a six carton bog, I arrived
probably several months later, there was a dirty great chasm for 20 odd
metres down the track, not a tree or ant hill within cooee (ok maybe 150m,
too far to be of use anyway) and six muddy but empty cartons scattered
along the side of the track. 

Tread lightly it aint, but it sure is an accurate measure. 

Daryl (one carton bogs are bad enough) Webb 

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From: jve@phaseone.dk
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 09:53:18 
Subject: 109 cylinder head gaskets

Hi all.

The cylinder head for my 4cyl sII petrol engine is now being reworked. It didn't 
look too bad to me, but I guess I can't see the difference anyway. The outlet 
valve in cylinder 1 was worn to almost half size, but the head itself was more 
or less intact.
A few months ago I gave it a new head gasket, and now it had burnt a one inch 
gap between cylinders 2 and 3. So in effect only number 4 was pulling the car. 
This makes perfect sense to me judging from the power and sound effects.

Anyway, when I first took off the head, I had to scrape the old gasket off. Then 
I got a copper gasket which stayed in one piece but was eaten. Now I have a new 
gasket that looks like it is made of some (asbestos?) fibres with metal 
reinforcements around the cylinder holes.
My sIII service manual says that if I use a non-retorque (????? - not in my 
dictionary) fabric type gasket I should mount it dry and if I use a copper-
asbestos gasket I should smear it with GP grease. Or was it the other way 
around? I don't know which is which, so I was hoping for advise from the all-
knowing herd of fellow LRO's.
What should I do - smear this fibre gasket with grease or leave it dry?

Happy Rovering

Jens Vesterdahl
Copenhagen, Denmark
1972 109 STW (pre-1971 engine) 

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