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1 | Jos Prinsen [100735.2330 | 20 | Copy of: Copy of: Brake repairs questions |
2 | RoverNut@aol.com | 21 | Fwd: looking for IIa or III |
3 | IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILL | 24 | Supply and Dementia |
4 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 30 | Re: Supply and Dementia |
5 | Wdcockey@aol.com | 24 | Re: Supply and Dementia (Simple Economics) |
6 | ASFCO@aol.com | 25 | Re: Carb black inside |
7 | "Steven L. Meier" [1021 | 108 | Remote Brake Servo & Adjust 109 Brakes |
8 | David L Dean [DEAND@kea. | 44 | Re: LPG (propane gas) powered LRs |
9 | gthrall@ix.netcom.com (G | 38 | Re: Kit Cars Again |
10 | John Antram [rewt@sover. | 22 | Series III locks |
11 | "Kier M. Ouderkirk" [km_ | 17 | 1968 LR fenders |
12 | Wdcockey@aol.com | 31 | Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers |
13 | Wdcockey@aol.com | 30 | Re: 1968 LR fenders |
14 | jjbpears@ix.netcom.com ( | 23 | Re: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers |
15 | Greg Moore [gmoore@mail. | 15 | Re: 1968 LR fenders |
16 | ASFCO@aol.com | 21 | Re: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers |
17 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 16 | Re: New owner adventures! |
18 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 41 | Re: RE: WAIT A MINUTE |
19 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 38 | NYC Car Owners, Listen Up! -Fwd |
20 | jpappa01@interserv.com | 30 | Re: BSROA & Globe |
21 | jpappa01@interserv.com | 21 | Re: Supply and Dementia |
22 | Jeff & Laura Kessler [lm | 31 | Re: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers |
23 | scooper@scooper.seanet.c | 9 | Land rovers in Trk Trader |
24 | rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca | 19 | [not specified] |
25 | JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk | 20 | Pos. vs Neg. ground? |
26 | Richard Justin Chala [rc | 14 | Axles? |
27 | ericz@cloud9.net | 22 | Re: Axles? |
28 | rpeng@cadev6.intel.com | 16 | Land Rover Discovery in Consumer Reports |
29 | uf974@freenet.victoria.b | 15 | Talk |
30 | "Steve Reddock" [steve_r | 24 | Heated Windscreens |
31 | M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mik | 10 | Re: Grafton in SA |
Date: 24 Mar 96 08:59:53 EST From: Jos Prinsen <100735.2330@compuserve.com> Subject: Copy of: Copy of: Brake repairs questions RE: Copy of: Brake repairs questions hello peter, The last time i had to renew my brakelinings on my '71 S IIA i started unfastening the lower side of the shoes first. Because of the lever-action of the shoe itselfe you can pull of the lower side much easier than the topside which is nearer to the spring. After the lower side is pulled out on both sides the spring releases itselfe by slowly crossing the brake linings over eachother . Just don't forget to keep an eye on the brake cylinder and prevent the cups from falling out by keeping the pressure on both brake linings about equal while releasing them. Reassembly is also easier this way. Jos ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RoverNut@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:31:46 -0500 Subject: Fwd: looking for IIa or III --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: looking for IIa or III Date: 96-03-24 09:25:36 EST From: RoverNut CC: RoverNut I am currently looking for a series IIa or III. There is one for sale locally, but the guy is stalling (even though I've offered him his price ) and another guy wants 13,000 for his '72, which is a bit rich for my blood. I'm ready to buy soon so I can start taking the load off of my trusty '89 Range Rover and get the real thing. Thanks! ph# 910-260-7443 leave message ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:54:55 From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Subject: Supply and Dementia Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but a D110 is no $40,000 + vehicle. No way, no how, the same way a Harley-Davidson Heritage Softtail is no $18,000 motorcycle. The prices have been blown WAY out of proportion to the actual value of the vehicle simply by virtue of rarity. Look at what these trucks sell for in the UK where there is a greater abundance. That's what they're worth. I think anyone who would pay much more for something than it is worth is a fool. If you fall into that category, I'm sorry for you. If it's an investment you want buy 40 K worth of mutual funds, then in ten years you can buy your own, brand new, overpriced D110. Sheesh. Bill Adams 3Dmentia computer animation 4016 Spruell Drive Kensington, MD 20895 301-949-9475 '66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel ...all there ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 12:03:50 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Supply and Dementia On Sun, 24 Mar 1996, WILLIAM ADAMS wrote: > Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but a D110 is no $40,000 + vehicle. No way, > no how, the same way a Harley-Davidson Heritage Softtail is no $18,000 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > sell for in the UK where there is a greater abundance. That's what they're > worth. WHile I might tend to agree with you in one sense (for $40kUS I could take one of my 109 SW's and 110ize it with lots of change for the single malt celebration after) there is one slight problem with your analysis. Yes, these are rare in the USA and they are cheaper in the UK. *But, with current USA import laws you can't even get a Series III vehicle into the USA, let alone a D110.* This rarity exists in the USA because there are people that want D110's and there are only 500 (originally, without write-offs) available. Put these two numbers together and you justify a $40kUS+ price. Like with the Harley (an overratted machine IHMO), there is a demand for them, and as long as supply is limited, supply and demand curves out of your basic economics produce this price. However, as you say, this is no investment and that $40k spent on a mutual fund several years ago would be worth more in current dollars than the D110 holding its original sticker price. Rgds, ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Wdcockey@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 13:49:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Supply and Dementia (Simple Economics) Bill writes > The prices have been blown WAY out of proportion to the actual >value of the vehicle simply by virtue of rarity. Look at what these trucks >sell for in the UK where there is a greater abundance. That's what they're >worth. >From my way of thinking what something is worth to an individual is what they are willing to pay for it. And supply is definately a factor, along with alternatives and amount of cash on hand. The difference in 110 prices between here and the UK is a supply effect. OTOH look at how much more Discoveries are in the UK than the US. Are those in the UK paying more than the Discovery is worth? What it is worth to you will be different than what it is worth to other folks. I don't think D110s are a good financial investment. Frequently prices for limited volume vehicles peak shortly after production stops, and then drops. David Cockey ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ASFCO@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:24:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Carb black inside Jan; Assuming you have done the compression and leakdown tests on the engine and have found the results to be normal and can't seem to otherwise explain the oil loss etc.. My pcv system is routed as follows; from the bottom of the oil fill tube,a short rubber hose (LR Part 547698) into a metal pipe (574262) which runs across the front of the engine under the top radiator hose and connects to another short rubber hose(546588) which connects to the Flat PCV Valve assembly ( RTC6855). Coming off the bottom of this is another short rubber hose(574750) which connects to PCV union(Hose to carb base 546590) a washer(243958)and then screws into the base of the carb. the oil breather should be the sealed type (LR part ERC2867) This is what I Have and seems to have corrected the problem Another thought..check your engine oil for the presence of Petrol..drain the oil or just smell the dipstick...if you suspect petrol, I would change the diaphragm on your fuel pump( Fuel pump overhaul kit AEU2760) this would also be an additional source of oil loss... I hope this info helps... Rgds Steve ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 24 Mar 96 16:36:23 EST From: "Steven L. Meier" <102141.3253@compuserve.com> Subject: Remote Brake Servo & Adjust 109 Brakes I'm new to the list and very pleased to be here. I look to it's continued learning experience and some social and off road contact with others involved in the Series Land Rover "Romance" on and off road. Holly who lives with and indulges me owns a 1967 109 Safari (her only vehicle . . . perhaps the reason for living with and indulging) with a 292 Chey 6 conversion and the "Earth Angel" interior package . . . as Peter said at the National Rally last year in CO, "I see you've moved up from your VW Bus". I'm currently preparing an 88 for on/off road . . . I swear I'll keep this one for me, really. Re. the recent questions concerning adding vacuum assisted brakes to Series Rovers with a single system. 6 cylinder 109's were originally equipped with a remote servo unit mounted behind the engine compartment battery box. The original Girling units are not rebuildable and used ones, due to age and a leather diaphragm, are not really safe . . . failure results in your brake fluid being sucked into the engine through the vacuum line, burned in a cloud of white smoke and no brakes. Yet another Land Rover fun experience. This does not mean reversion to no power assist on the 109's so equipped or the inability to add power assist to any single brake system. AP Lockheed, England, still makes new remote servo units and lists Girling interchangeability for 88's and 109's. I have replaced the original 6 cylinder 109 units with these on two restoration projects and have added these to others with great results. It's a whole new braking experience for the Land Rover . . . no more "standing position" stops and you can actually lock up the wheels, so some caution and driver retraining is required. After a few test panic stops, relax and enjoy! Finally, servo failure does not result in brake failure . . . just the old pedal pressure you're now using will be in effect. Complete and very understandable installation instructions come with each new unit. Follow the "rules" and all will work well. Location within the right hand side of the engine compartment is ideal (can be a tight, but not impossible, fit with the oil bath air cleaner and battery in the original position). A suitable alternative is within the right wing (see instructions re. extension hose be fitted to the air control valve inlet due to dirt, grit and water exposure). In addition to your normal brake bleeding routine you will now need to bleed the servo unit twice . . . 1st before bleeding the wheel cylinders and 2nd re-bleed the servo after the wheel cylinders. The following part(s) numbers apply. LR Install Kit* Servo Boost Ratio 88 LE72696 LR17818 1.90:1 109 LE10118 LR15248 2.00:1 109 LE10117 LR18221 3.00:1** * Not absolutely necessary if you're good at fabrication of mounts, pipes and hoses, etc. ** I have used this unit on two 109's and the added boost is quite nice on road, but it is to much for off road use . . . on rocky descents it is too easy to lock up the brakes resulting in tyre sliding rather than controlled wheel turning. Steve at BRITPAC has access to these units . . . it think by special order. Call him for details, $, etc. If you have question/problems re. availability/installation e-Mail to me or post on the list. Re. questions concerning adjusting 109 brakes >From Land-Rover Instruction Manual . Series IIA & IIB by Land Rover Ltd and applies to Series 107's and 109's + Forward Controls equipped with the front dual wheel cylinder set up and the single rear wheel set up. This is not found in the Haynes Manual and is "unclear" in the factory workshop manual. A bit of Land Rover Factory "humor" , teaching . . . if a first you don't succeed, read yet another source! If in "= my comments" 1. Jack up each wheel in turn. "Up on 4 jack stands is quicker and easier in the long run." 2. Each shoe is independently set by means of a hexagon adjustment bolt operating through a serrated cam. "Two per wheel." 3. Apply the brake and set the snail cam adjusters so that the brake shoes are in firm contact with the drums. "After firmly applying the brakes (this serves to center the floating shoes to the drum), use a stick to hold the pedal down. If on jack stands, you can now set all the wheel adjusters. Now, remove the stick holding the pedal down." 4. Slacken off each adjuster just sufficiently for the drum to rotate freely. "Switch between the two on each wheel to get a balanced adjustment. If, due to worn snail cams, the adjustment is not precise, go for a bit of extra slack rather than leaving the shoes rub a bit . . . too tight = locked brakes when they heat up." 5. Repeat for the other wheels in turn. "If not on jack stands." Note: The rear brake shoes should be adjusted individually to obtain the best results. "I've never quite understood this . . . sounds like a British attempt to translate to Japanese and back to English . . . perhaps you all will understand and explain it to me." 6. Road test and readjust as needed (seldom a problem, but not one for heavy traffic later). I think the key point is applying the brakes to center the shoes . . . a logical requirement due to the floating shoe design of the system. It's quick, easy and best of all it works. Keep the "Romance" Alive . . . Steven L. Meier ROVERS YOU CAN RIDE . Santa Fe . New Mexico Specializing in Complete Frame Up Restorations Engine/Gearbox Conversions and other Options Available e-Mail 102141.3253@Compuserve.com 1.505.438.2475 FAX 1.505.989.7622 ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:56:09 +1200 From: David L Dean <DEAND@kea.lincoln.ac.nz> Subject: Re: LPG (propane gas) powered LRs Jonathan & LRO, > Thanks for your info about LPG things in NZ. If only our own governemnt > were enlightened enough to make LPG so cheap! It's probably because we have more gas than oil resources. > I think all this is due to my lack of compression on 2 cylinders, > below average on 2 more, & average on the remaining 2. Anyone got > any ideas? - I'm doing a head rebuild already. >From my experience, the LPG units have a idle mixture adjustment which allows a small amount of gas to flow independent of the normal delivery system. If this isn't working the revs would have to be very high to keep the motor going. I'm sure the lack of compression doesn't help. > One other question; Should LPG go in before or after the carb? If the LPG unit goes in before the carb AND you have an automatic choke, it makes it almost impossible to run LPG on a cold engine. When the choke is engaged, there isn't enough vacuum to drive the LPG delivery system. > I was told that my low speed running would be enhanced if the LPG > went in after the carb, but on examining the system the special LPG > inlet addition can only go pre-carb, & was obviously designed as > such. I've seen the main delivery system pre-carb and the idle feed directly into one of the vacuum connections in the manifold. Hope this helps..... Cheers, ------- (David L. Dean - Department of Economics & Marketing) ------- ----------- (Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand) ----------- --- ("sober fearless pursuit of truth, beauty, & righteousness") ---- ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:40:22 -0800 From: gthrall@ix.netcom.com (Glenn Wm. Thrall ) Subject: Re: Kit Cars Again >If you build a "reconstructed" vehicle (at least here in NJ), >you need to meet EPA specs of the year of the engine. >Jan >>My question is: as long as it's registered as a 109, then... I don't think you will be able to register a homebuilt/kit car as a Land Rover 109. Rather it would be registered as a "reconstructed vehicle" or something similar depending on state. I've also heard of several states including Calif. using the date of engine for emmision requirements. David, California uses the date of the engine or the date of the body/frame, whichever is latest. I.e. if the engine is a 1970 and the frame/body is a 1974 the date of the vehicle for California purposes is 1974. Formerly the only date that mattered was the date of the engine. That changed when the California State Department of Motor Vehicles discovered drivers were replacing engines with older "muscle car" engines. The law change enabled the state to classify the vehicle with the later date instead of the earlier date. In California, the latest date applies. Hope this helps. Glenn glenn Thrall gthrall@ix.netcom.com San Gabriel, CA ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:51:54 -0500 (EST) From: John Antram <rewt@sover.net> Subject: Series III locks While replacing my back-door this evening, I noticed that my series III lock/latch had been assaulted with a screwdriver by the P.O. Knowing the key would never fit ( and this replacement door is to be a tailgate soon anyway ) I thought I'd chop the top of the lock off so I wouldn't have to cut a hole in the replacement IIa door I was going to use. So, torch in hand, off comes the top 3/8" of the lock. Only thing is, what *was* the metal around the very top of the cylnder? Is it a birmabright ring to reduce corrosion? Also - is it worth getting a key set for when I replace the dead door/tailgate with a full door? i.e. are the locks really going to keep people out? and is anyone likely to test that answer? John Antram rewt@sover.net RR 3 Box 888 Middlebury, VT 05753 Membership coordinator, "Green Mountian Rover Association" 1972 Land Rover Series III 88", sunrooves (badly improvised by PO), Red 1995 Land Rover Discovery, 5-speed, sunrooves, Roman Bronze 1987 Mercedes-Benz 300SDL, Anthracite Gray ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:22:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kier M. Ouderkirk" <km_ouderkirk@sunyit.edu> Subject: 1968 LR fenders I had a customer come to me with a question that I am not sure of its answer. He is looking for a replacement fender for his 68 109 LR, he says that it needs a fender that has no square indent around the light assemblies on the front. He has one on his vehicle that is this way(without the indent). The other has the indent around the lights. I was wondering is there such a thing out there or did someone take a older fender and cut out the holes to place the newer style headlights and signals in it? Thank You Kier Ouderkirk 1970 88 IIA lic # LRS RULE ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Wdcockey@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:52:24 -0500 Subject: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers Any guesses what freight from England to the US would be for a fuel tank? Preferred method of shipping? Our ‘60 SII SW had a puddle under the right side today - a leaking fuel tank. To drain it I removed the plug in the bottom (using a 1/2” Craftsman combination wrench in the slot) and nothing came out - strange since it had a quarter tank or so of fuel. There was a black membrane across the openning, which I ruptered and had a gusher. Looks like I’ll be springing for a new tank unless it turns out to be something minor like a leaking fuel line (unlikely). But then new springs and shocks, redone brakes, and either major frame work or a new frame are also needed. We bought the LR from the son of the original owner and have most of the receipts since new. Didn’t find any for either gas tank replacement or sealing. Did the factory coat the tanks with a black paint originally? Any thoughts on coating a new tank with a good sealer? BTW, I also confirmed the feasibility of moving a LR using the crank with the plugs out, per Trevor. 1st High was fine on the level, but Low range was needed on a slope. Not sure the factory crank handle would be effective through mud. Anybody making off road crank handles with a two handed grip and larger lever arm? David Cockey Rochester, Michigan ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Wdcockey@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:10:49 -0500 Subject: Re: 1968 LR fenders Kier writes: "He is looking for a replacement fender for his 68 109 LR, he says that it needs a fender that has no square indent around the light assemblies on the front. He has one on his vehicle that is this way(without the indent). The other has the indent around the lights. I was wondering is there such a thing out there or did someone take a older fender and cut out the holes to place the newer style headlights and signals in it?" A few transition vehicles were built with the headlights mounted in the flush panels rather than the indented panels. James Taylor has published several pictures including one in "The Land Rover Story" with the notation that only US market models were built without the recess, which would have all been 88s. Is this 109 a US vehicle or export? Also Jim Allen wrote about a '68 88" with flush panel headlights in LRO mag in the last year or so. I can't find a listing for a flush front panel with a headlamp cut-out. Best bet would be to find a flush panel (difficult, try Atlantic British) and have the appropriate holes cut. This one sounds like it is worth keeping original. In fact a photo to James Taylor might be in order. David Cockey Rochester, Michigan ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:26:08 -0800 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers You wrote: >Any guesses what freight from England to the US would be for a fuel tank? >Preferred method of shipping? >David Cockey >Rochester, Michigan If memory serves, air freight will be about $150, but you can bring in more on that sum than just the tank. I had a 109SW tank air freighted in along with some other goods a group of us ordered for about that. I don't recall the air freight was particularly variable within the weight range we were considering. I believe the tank accounted for most of the weight. Sea freight will be less but take at least a month. Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:34:27 -0800 From: Greg Moore <gmoore@mail.comox.island.net> Subject: Re: 1968 LR fenders Kier M. Ouderkirk wrote: > I had a customer come to me with a question that I am not sure of its > answer. He is looking for a replacement fender for his 68 109 LR, he says > that it needs a fender that has no square indent around the light > assemblies on the front. If I'm not mistaken that would be a US spec 11A fender. Cheers, Greg ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ASFCO@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:12:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers Here's my suggestion.....look in the yellow pages under Radiators for an authorized dealer of "Gas Tank Renu-USA" my Tank was real bad..full of holes on the rear-end it cost around $200 to have them dis-assemble the whole thing from the skid-plate cut out the entire side /sandblast the inside/repair the metal/coat the inside/and coat the outside/re-solder and attach the skidplate....it is guaranteed for life ...seems lots of municipal agencies use this process on firetrucks etc..it also used by antique auto restorers..I would not recommend using a slosh around inside the tank sealer...... For the cost of the tank/shipping it was worth it I won't have to worry about it again..... Rgds, Steve ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:01:29 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: New owner adventures! > Congrats on the new Dormobile. Best guess is that there were only > about 500 Land Rovers converted to Dormobiles I thought there were only 160 LR Dormobiles? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:01:19 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: RE: WAIT A MINUTE I don't know anything about Renewed Traditions, and personally will remain rather skeptical until someone I trust (like someone on this list) can personally vouch for them, but I have to open my big mouth about this... [misc dates snipped] > So I ask you this: How in the HELL do you get a perfectly legal > "Stage One V8" by using parts that are based on a pre-1969 Land Rover? The parts aren't pre-1969, the donor vehicle is. They (say they) take a pre-69 rover, put sIII seats in, a V-8, misc. other upgraded pieces on, etc., and what you have left over after swapping every single part is a pre-1969 rover with all the wrong (stage 1 v-8) parts on it. This is something I've had to deal with in terms of managing computers -- after you swap out enough cards and drives and so on, when is it not the same computer? > You are ripping consumers off-BIGTIME! Your business practices are > misleading and fraudulent. If anyone is being misled, it's the DMV. I think you misread the original message... > I will expound in brief: It is completely legal to restore a pre-1969 > Land Rover, it is perfectly legal to do mechanical upgrades to a [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > Rover.Then once you have upgraded the interior and front end you have a > PERFECTLY LEGAL STAGE 1 V-8. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:02:22 -0800 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: NYC Car Owners, Listen Up! -Fwd Do you think this would work with Land Rovers? ---- Forwarded from Craig Grilley <cgrilley@nccc.org>: A great idea for the car owners of NYC: Before going to Europe on business, a man drove his Rolls-Royce to a downtown NY City bank and went in to ask for an immediate loan of $5,000. The loan officer, taken aback, requested collateral. "Well, then, here are the keys to my Rolls-Royce", the man said. The loan officer promptly had the car driven into the bank's underground parking for safe keeping, and gave him $5,000. Two weeks later, the man walked through the bank's doors, and asked to settle up his loan and get his car back. "That will be $5,000 in principal, and $15.40 in interest", the loan officer said. The man wrote out a check and started to walk away. "Wait sir", the loan officer said, "while you were gone, I found out you are a millionaire. Why in the world would you need to borrow $5,000?" The man smiled. "Where else could I park my Rolls-Royce in Manhattan for two weeks and pay only $15.40?" ---- End of forwarded message ---- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/ ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: jpappa01@interserv.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:29:07 -0500 Subject: Re: BSROA & Globe The BSROA's recent winter driving course at Rovers North was given front page coverage in the Automotive section of today's Boston Sunday Globe!! Thanks very very much to Camel Trophy photographer/journalist Susan Mead for this exposure for our club! For her effort, we are pleased to announce that Susan will receive a complementary membership in the BSROA as a token of the Board of Director's appreciation. The annual Cape Cod party was held also today at Badger Coachworks. A good turnout was on hand, and, for the first time in many moons, Series vehicles outnumbered new product!! Chris Laws is busy hatching his latest top for the Defender 90 - wait until you see this thing!! Also in the skunkworks is a complete line of *Tickford* luggage!! cheerz Jim `67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid `67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid `67 2A lightweight `68 2B 110 F/C diesel `70 P6B 3500S `90 Range Rover County `93 D110 (#457/500) `95 D90 #1958 ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: jpappa01@interserv.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:40:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Supply and Dementia Is a gold President Rolex worth 30 grand? Is a Wilson Audio Wham speaker system worth over 70 thou? What is *anything* worth? The sum of its parts? Not usually. Value is, has always been, and will forever be a complex combination of desirability, exclusivity, functionality, and market demand. What is a Jeep Cherokee worth in the United Kingdom? A heck of a lot more than they fetch here in the USA where they sprout like weeds... Somehow the message about the *value* of a D110 in the USA by supply and dimentia is lost on me - I must be missing something. Sounds like supply and demand to me. Nothing more, nothing less... Jim ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:34:21 -0500 From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com> Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers At 09:52 PM 3/24/96 -0500, you wrote: >Any guesses what freight from England to the US would be for a fuel tank? >Preferred method of shipping? [ truncated by lro-digester (was 33 lines)] >larger lever arm? >David Cockey >Rochester, Michigan David If the leaks on your fuel tank are easy to get at, there is a old VW trick (at least from an old VW repair manual) to make a temporary fix. Take a bar of soap and rub it into the hole(s). Continue rubbing until the fuel leak stops. This is suppose to work for gas and diesel. I never had to try it on an auto fuel tank but some years back it worked for me on a heating fuel tank. I had poked some small holes in the bottom of a full 275 gallon heating oil tank (never mind how or why) causing several steady drips. Rubbing a bar of soap into the holes stopped the leaks and the soap was still holding a few years later when I sold the house. Jeff Kessler 1988 Range Rover (leaking from the top of the new tank) Newport New Hampshire USA 603-863-7883 ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:43:41 -0800 From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (Sandy Cooper) Subject: Land rovers in Trk Trader I saw 3 land rovers in the Truck Trader today. One 73 series 111 swb with safari top and od for 6500. One 67 series 11a 109 for 13,000 looked to be missing sills from under doors also with safari top. And One 69 series 11a swb with all kinds of goodies included for 16,500. Pacific Northwest. ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Land Rover Toy News From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 96 18:57:15 -0500 A large number of people have asked to be put on the toy mailing list. I have just today sent Dixon all those who have asked me, so you should get stuff Moday night / Tuesday morning. If you want to subscribe DO NOT E MAIL DIXON AT HIS EMR ADDRESS. USE THIS ONE: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca Robin -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 96 23:35:00 -0500 Subject: Pos. vs Neg. ground? Greetings, I have a question for the wizards of the digest. I have recently acquired a 67' 109 wagon with a 2.6 liter engine. The Lucas generator was replaced with a Delco alternator. Other than that, (and a missing air cleaner and battery) the engine compartment seems to be intact. I Would like to attempt to start this engine. How can I tell if it has a positive or negative ground. Jim Cirbus 94' D-90 #730 70' Ser IIa 88" (for sale $1700 OBO) 67' Ser IIa 109" ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:54:35 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Justin Chala <rchala@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Subject: Axles? Hello Everyone, I was wondering how long, from backing plate to backing plate, the axles are on series III 109". Also the early defender's. Were the early defenders leaf sprung? I am looking into swapping axles with my ser.III 88" Just thinking out loud. Thanks, Rich ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:03:02 -0800 Subject: Re: Axles? On Sun, 24 Mar 1996, Richard Justin Chala <rchala@gladstone.uoregon.edu> wrote: >I was wondering how long, from backing plate to backing plate, the axles >are on series III 109". Also the early defender's. Were the early >defenders leaf sprung? I am looking into swapping axles with my ser.III 88" Not sure on the exact measurement but the Def axles are about 4"-5" wider. The early Defenders (known as Land Rover 90 or 110) were all coil sprung..that's why they went to the new naming structure (not Series IV). Theoretically, however, it is not too much work to put leaf spring mounts on a Def/RR axle to take advantage of the disc brakes and better turning radius.... Hope this helps... Regards, Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com Subject: Land Rover Discovery in Consumer Reports Date: Sun, 24 Mar 96 22:13:54 PST The annual auto issue of Consumer Reports just came out, and as before, they gave very poor ratings to the Land Rover Discovery in just about every category. I guess they're no fan of the legendary marque... -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Peng (408)765-7863 Intel Corporation Design Technology, Physical CAD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:37:58 -0800 From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates) Subject: Talk In Vancouver yesterday. Saw a really nice D90 soft top that looked *a lot* like an ex military model, or at least a darned good copy. Olive soft top and that olive/black streaky camo. -- __x___x_ / Clinton D. Coates uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca |__|__|__\/__ | | |_ | *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs (_)"""""(_)" *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover* ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 05:17:17 EST From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com> Subject: Heated Windscreens *** Resending note of 03/24/96 21:56 |The last time that I checked with Rovers North, the heated windscreen |kit for a D90 was L850.00 and the heated windscreen kit for the Series [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] |Rovers North (802) 879-0032 | Theodore Sawyer These prices really are extracing the urine. The price I paid was either 50 or 60 UK pounds. At that rate you could pay for somebody to hop on a plane, buy half a dozen, pay up the import duty and still make a profit, er I mean sell them to others on the list at a discount. That price is per side BTW. How can anybody justify L465 for a 2' by 18" pane with some wires in it? As they say one born every minute... Tara, Steve ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:09:32 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: Grafton in SA >when is Andy coming back? Judging by the tone of his letters.....not if he can help it!!! Well,would you? Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960325 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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