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1 Jos Prinsen [100735.233020Copy of: Copy of: Brake repairs questions
2 RoverNut@aol.com 21Fwd: looking for IIa or III
3 IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILL24Supply and Dementia
4 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em30Re: Supply and Dementia
5 Wdcockey@aol.com 24Re: Supply and Dementia (Simple Economics)
6 ASFCO@aol.com 25Re: Carb black inside
7 "Steven L. Meier" [1021108Remote Brake Servo & Adjust 109 Brakes
8 David L Dean [DEAND@kea.44Re: LPG (propane gas) powered LRs
9 gthrall@ix.netcom.com (G38Re: Kit Cars Again
10 John Antram [rewt@sover.22Series III locks
11 "Kier M. Ouderkirk" [km_171968 LR fenders
12 Wdcockey@aol.com 31Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers
13 Wdcockey@aol.com 30Re: 1968 LR fenders
14 jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (23Re: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers
15 Greg Moore [gmoore@mail.15Re: 1968 LR fenders
16 ASFCO@aol.com 21Re: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers
17 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn16Re: New owner adventures!
18 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn41Re: RE: WAIT A MINUTE
19 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn38NYC Car Owners, Listen Up! -Fwd
20 jpappa01@interserv.com 30Re: BSROA & Globe
21 jpappa01@interserv.com 21Re: Supply and Dementia
22 Jeff & Laura Kessler [lm31Re: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers
23 scooper@scooper.seanet.c9Land rovers in Trk Trader
24 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca19[not specified]
25 JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk20Pos. vs Neg. ground?
26 Richard Justin Chala [rc14Axles?
27 ericz@cloud9.net 22Re: Axles?
28 rpeng@cadev6.intel.com 16Land Rover Discovery in Consumer Reports
29 uf974@freenet.victoria.b15Talk
30 "Steve Reddock" [steve_r24Heated Windscreens
31 M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mik10Re: Grafton in SA


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Date: 24 Mar 96 08:59:53 EST
From: Jos Prinsen <100735.2330@compuserve.com>
Subject: Copy of: Copy of: Brake repairs questions

RE:	Copy of: Brake repairs questions

hello peter,

The last time i had to renew my brakelinings on my '71 S IIA  i started
unfastening the lower side of the shoes first. Because of the lever-action of
the shoe itselfe you can pull of the lower side much easier than the topside
which is nearer to  the spring.  After the lower side is pulled out  on both
sides the spring releases itselfe by slowly crossing the brake linings over
eachother .  Just don't forget to keep an eye on the brake cylinder and prevent
the cups from falling out by keeping the pressure on both brake linings about
equal while releasing them.
Reassembly is also easier this way.

Jos

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:31:46 -0500
Subject: Fwd: looking for IIa or III

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Subj:    looking for IIa or III
Date:    96-03-24 09:25:36 EST
From:    RoverNut

CC:      RoverNut

I am currently looking for a series IIa or III. There is one for sale
locally, but the guy is stalling (even though I've offered him his price )
and another guy wants 13,000 for his '72, which is a bit rich for my blood.
I'm ready to buy soon so I can start taking the load off of my trusty '89
Range Rover and get the real thing. Thanks!     ph# 910-260-7443    leave
message

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:54:55
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Supply and Dementia

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but a D110 is no $40,000 + vehicle. No way, 
no how, the same way a Harley-Davidson Heritage Softtail is no $18,000 
motorcycle. The prices have been blown WAY out of proportion to the actual 
value of the vehicle simply by virtue of rarity. Look at what these trucks 
sell for in the UK where there is a greater abundance. That's what they're 
worth. 
I think anyone who would pay much more for something than it is worth is a 
fool. If you fall into that category, I'm sorry for you. If it's an 
investment you want buy 40 K worth of mutual funds, then in ten years you can 
buy your own, brand new, overpriced D110.
Sheesh.

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 12:03:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Supply and Dementia

On Sun, 24 Mar 1996, WILLIAM ADAMS wrote:

> Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but a D110 is no $40,000 + vehicle. No way, 
> no how, the same way a Harley-Davidson Heritage Softtail is no $18,000 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> sell for in the UK where there is a greater abundance. That's what they're 
> worth. 

	WHile I might tend to agree with you in one sense (for $40kUS I could
	take one of my 109 SW's and 110ize it with lots of change for the
	single malt celebration after) there is one slight problem with your
	analysis.  Yes, these are rare in the USA and they are cheaper in the
	UK.  *But, with current USA import laws you can't even get a Series
	III vehicle into the USA, let alone a D110.*  This rarity exists in
	the USA because there are people that want D110's and there are
	only 500 (originally, without write-offs) available.  Put these two
	numbers together and you justify a $40kUS+ price.  Like with the
	Harley (an overratted machine IHMO), there is a demand for them,
	and as long as supply is limited, supply and demand curves out of
	your basic economics produce this price.  However, as you say,
	this is no investment and that $40k spent on a mutual fund several
	years ago would be worth more in current dollars than the D110 holding
	its original sticker price.

	Rgds,

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 13:49:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Supply and Dementia (Simple Economics)

Bill writes

> The prices have been blown WAY out of proportion to the actual 
>value of the vehicle simply by virtue of rarity. Look at what these trucks 
>sell for in the UK where there is a greater abundance. That's what they're 
>worth. 

>From my way of thinking what something is worth to an individual is what they
are willing to pay for it.  And supply is definately a factor, along with
alternatives and amount of cash on hand. The difference in 110 prices between
here and the UK is a supply effect. OTOH look at how much more Discoveries
are in the UK than the US. Are those in the UK paying more than the Discovery
is worth? What it is worth to you will be different than what it is worth to
other folks. I don't think D110s are a good financial investment. Frequently
prices for limited volume vehicles peak shortly after production stops, and
then drops.

David Cockey

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:24:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Carb black inside

Jan;     Assuming you have done the compression and leakdown tests on the
engine and have found the results to be normal and can't seem to otherwise
explain the oil loss etc..
    My pcv system is routed as follows; from the bottom of the oil fill
tube,a  short rubber hose (LR Part 547698) into a metal pipe (574262) which
runs across the front of the engine under the top radiator hose and connects
to another short rubber hose(546588) which connects to the Flat PCV Valve
assembly ( RTC6855). Coming off the bottom of this is another short rubber
hose(574750) which connects to PCV union(Hose to carb base 546590) a
washer(243958)and then screws into the base of the carb.
     the oil breather should be the sealed type (LR part ERC2867)
This is what I Have and seems to have corrected the problem
 Another thought..check your engine oil for the presence of Petrol..drain the
oil or just smell the dipstick...if you suspect petrol, I would change the
diaphragm on your fuel pump( Fuel pump overhaul kit AEU2760) this would also
be an additional source of oil loss...
I hope this info helps...
Rgds
Steve

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Date: 24 Mar 96 16:36:23 EST
From: "Steven  L. Meier" <102141.3253@compuserve.com>
Subject: Remote Brake Servo & Adjust 109 Brakes

I'm new to the list and very pleased to be here.  I look to it's continued 
learning experience and some social and off road contact with others involved 
in the Series Land Rover "Romance" on and off road.  Holly who lives with and 
indulges me owns a 1967 109 Safari (her only vehicle . . . perhaps the reason 
for living with and indulging) with a 292 Chey 6 conversion and the "Earth 
Angel" interior package . . . as Peter said at the National Rally last year in
CO, "I see you've moved up from your VW Bus".  I'm currently preparing an 88 
for on/off road . . . I swear I'll keep this one for me, really.  

Re. the recent questions concerning adding vacuum assisted brakes to Series 
Rovers with a single system.

6 cylinder 109's were originally equipped with a remote servo unit mounted 
behind the engine compartment battery box.  The original Girling units are not
rebuildable and used ones, due to age and a leather diaphragm, are not really 
safe . . . failure results in your brake fluid being sucked into the engine 
through the vacuum line, burned in a cloud of white smoke and no brakes.  Yet 
another Land Rover fun experience. This does not mean reversion to no power 
assist on the 109's so equipped or the inability to add power assist to any 
single brake system.

AP Lockheed, England, still makes new remote servo units and lists Girling 
interchangeability for 88's and 109's.  I have replaced the original 6 
cylinder 109 units with these on two restoration projects and have added these
to others with great results.  It's a whole new braking experience for the 
Land Rover . . . no more "standing position" stops and you can actually lock 
up the wheels, so some caution and driver retraining is required. After a few 
test panic stops, relax and enjoy!  Finally, servo failure does not result in 
brake failure . . . just the old pedal pressure you're now using will be in 
effect.

Complete and very understandable installation instructions come with each new 
unit.  Follow the "rules" and all will work well.  Location within the right 
hand side of the  engine compartment  is ideal (can be a tight, but not 
impossible, fit with the oil bath air cleaner and battery in the original 
position).  A suitable alternative is within the right wing (see instructions 
re. extension hose be fitted to the air control valve inlet due to dirt, grit 
and water exposure).  In addition to your normal brake bleeding routine you 
will now need to bleed the servo unit twice . . . 1st before bleeding the 
wheel cylinders and 2nd re-bleed the servo after the wheel cylinders.

The following part(s) numbers apply.

LR      Install Kit*    Servo           Boost Ratio     
88      LE72696 LR17818 1.90:1
109     LE10118 LR15248 2.00:1
109     LE10117 LR18221 3.00:1**

*       Not absolutely necessary if you're good at fabrication of mounts, 
pipes and hoses, etc.
**      I have used this unit on two 109's and the added boost is quite nice 
on road, but it is to much for off road use . . . on rocky descents it is too 
easy to lock up the brakes resulting in tyre sliding rather than controlled 
wheel turning.

Steve at BRITPAC has access to these units . . . it think by special order.  
Call him for details, $, etc.

If you have question/problems re. availability/installation e-Mail to me or 
post on the list.

Re. questions concerning adjusting 109 brakes

>From Land-Rover Instruction Manual . Series IIA & IIB by Land Rover Ltd and 
applies to Series 107's and 109's + Forward Controls equipped with the front 
dual wheel cylinder set up and the single rear wheel set up.  This is not 
found in the Haynes Manual and is "unclear" in the factory workshop manual.  A
bit of Land Rover Factory "humor" , teaching . . . if a first you don't 
succeed, read yet another source! If in "= my comments"

1.      Jack up each wheel in turn.  "Up on 4 jack stands is quicker and 
easier in the long run."
2.      Each shoe is independently set by means of a hexagon adjustment bolt 
operating through a serrated cam.   "Two per wheel."
3.      Apply the brake and set the snail cam adjusters so that the brake 
shoes are in firm contact with the drums.  "After firmly applying the brakes 
(this serves to center the floating shoes to the drum), use a stick to hold 
the pedal down.  If on jack stands, you can now set all the wheel adjusters.  
Now, remove the stick holding the pedal down."
4.      Slacken off each adjuster just sufficiently for the drum to rotate 
freely.  "Switch between the two on each wheel to get a balanced adjustment.  
If, due to worn snail cams, the adjustment is not precise, go for a bit of 
extra slack rather than leaving the shoes rub a bit . . . too tight = locked 
brakes when they heat up."
5.      Repeat for the other wheels in turn.  "If not on jack stands."
Note:   The rear brake shoes should be adjusted individually to obtain the 
best results.  "I've never quite understood this . . . sounds like a British 
attempt to translate to Japanese and back to English . . .  perhaps  you all 
will understand and explain it to me."
6.      Road test and readjust as needed (seldom a problem, but not one for 
heavy traffic later).

I think the key point is applying the brakes to center the shoes . . . a 
logical requirement due to the floating shoe design of the system.  It's 
quick, easy and best of all it works.

Keep the "Romance" Alive . . . Steven L. Meier
ROVERS YOU CAN RIDE . Santa Fe . New Mexico
Specializing in Complete Frame Up Restorations
Engine/Gearbox Conversions and other Options Available
e-Mail 102141.3253@Compuserve.com  1.505.438.2475  FAX 1.505.989.7622

 

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:56:09 +1200
From: David L Dean <DEAND@kea.lincoln.ac.nz>
Subject: Re: LPG (propane gas) powered LRs

Jonathan & LRO,

> Thanks for your info about LPG things in NZ. If only our own governemnt
> were enlightened enough to make LPG so cheap!

It's probably because we have more gas than oil resources.

> I think all this is due to my lack of compression on 2 cylinders,
> below average on 2 more, & average on the remaining 2. Anyone got
> any ideas? - I'm doing a head rebuild already.

>From my experience, the LPG units have a idle mixture adjustment 
which allows a small amount of gas to flow independent of the normal 
delivery system.  If this isn't working the revs would have to be 
very high to keep the motor going.  I'm sure the lack of compression 
doesn't help.
 
> One other question; Should LPG go in before or after the carb?

If the LPG unit goes in before the carb AND you have an automatic 
choke, it makes it almost impossible to run LPG on a cold engine.  
When the choke is engaged, there isn't enough vacuum to drive the LPG 
delivery system.  

> I was told that my low speed running would be enhanced if the LPG
> went in after the carb, but on examining the system the special LPG
> inlet addition can only go pre-carb, & was obviously designed as
> such.

I've seen the main delivery system pre-carb and the idle feed directly 
into one of the vacuum connections in the manifold.

Hope this helps.....

Cheers,

------- (David L. Dean - Department of Economics & Marketing) -------
----------- (Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand) -----------
--- ("sober fearless pursuit of truth, beauty, & righteousness") ----

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:40:22 -0800
From: gthrall@ix.netcom.com (Glenn Wm. Thrall )
Subject: Re: Kit Cars Again

>If you build a "reconstructed" vehicle (at least here in NJ),
>you need to meet EPA specs of the year of the engine.

>Jan

>>My question is: as long as it's registered as a 109, then...

I don't think you will be able to register a homebuilt/kit car as a 
Land Rover 109. Rather it would be registered as a "reconstructed 
vehicle" or something similar depending on state. I've also heard of 
several states including Calif. using the date of engine for emmision 
requirements.

David,

California uses the date of the engine or the date of the body/frame, 
whichever is latest. I.e. if the engine is a 1970 and the frame/body is 
a 1974 the date of the vehicle for California purposes is 1974.

Formerly the only date that mattered was the date of the engine. That 
changed when the California State Department of Motor Vehicles 
discovered drivers were replacing engines with older "muscle car" 
engines. The law change enabled the state to classify the vehicle with 
the later date instead of the earlier date. In California, the latest 
date applies.

Hope this helps.

Glenn

glenn Thrall
gthrall@ix.netcom.com
San Gabriel, CA

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:51:54 -0500 (EST)
From: John Antram <rewt@sover.net>
Subject: Series III locks

	While replacing my back-door this evening, I noticed that my 
series III lock/latch had been assaulted with a screwdriver by the P.O. 
Knowing the key would never fit ( and this replacement door is to be a 
tailgate soon anyway ) I thought I'd chop the top of the lock off so I 
wouldn't have to cut a hole in the replacement IIa door I was going to 
use. So, torch in hand, off comes the top 3/8" of the lock. Only thing 
is, what *was* the metal around the very top of the cylnder? Is it a 
birmabright ring to reduce corrosion? Also - is it worth getting a 
key set for when I replace the dead door/tailgate with a full door? i.e. 
are the locks really going to keep people out? and is anyone likely to 
test that answer?

John Antram rewt@sover.net RR 3 Box 888 Middlebury, VT 05753 
Membership coordinator, "Green Mountian Rover Association" 
1972 Land Rover Series III 88", sunrooves (badly improvised by PO), Red 
1995 Land Rover Discovery, 5-speed, sunrooves, Roman Bronze 
1987 Mercedes-Benz 300SDL, Anthracite Gray

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:22:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Kier M. Ouderkirk" <km_ouderkirk@sunyit.edu>
Subject: 1968 LR fenders

I had a customer come to me with a question that I am not sure of its 
answer. He is looking for a replacement fender for his 68 109 LR, he says 
that it needs a fender that has no square indent around the light 
assemblies on the front. He has one on his vehicle that is this 
way(without the indent). The other has the indent around the lights. I 
was wondering is there such a thing out there or did someone take a older 
fender and cut out the holes to place the newer style headlights and 
signals in it? Thank You

				Kier Ouderkirk
				1970 88 IIA
				lic # LRS RULE

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:52:24 -0500
Subject: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers

Any guesses what freight from England to the US would be for a fuel tank?
Preferred method of shipping?

Our ‘60 SII SW had a puddle under the right side today - a leaking fuel tank.
To drain it I removed the plug in the bottom (using a 1/2” Craftsman
combination wrench in the slot) and nothing came out - strange since it had a
quarter tank or so of fuel. There was a black membrane across the openning,
which I ruptered and had a gusher. Looks like I’ll be springing for a new
tank unless it turns out to be something minor like a leaking fuel line
(unlikely). But then new springs and shocks, redone brakes, and either major
frame work or a new frame are also needed.

We bought the LR from the son of the original owner and have most of the
receipts since new. Didn’t find any for either gas tank replacement or
sealing. Did the factory coat the tanks with a black paint originally? Any
thoughts on coating a new tank with a good sealer?

BTW, I also confirmed the feasibility of moving a LR using the crank with the
plugs out, per Trevor. 1st High was fine on the level, but Low range was
needed on a slope. Not sure the factory crank handle would be effective
through mud. Anybody making off road crank handles with a two handed grip and
larger lever arm?

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:10:49 -0500
Subject: Re: 1968 LR fenders

Kier writes:

"He is looking for a replacement fender for his 68 109 LR, he says 
that it needs a fender that has no square indent around the light 
assemblies on the front. He has one on his vehicle that is this 
way(without the indent). The other has the indent around the lights. I 
was wondering is there such a thing out there or did someone take a older 
fender and cut out the holes to place the newer style headlights and 
signals in it?"

A few transition vehicles were built with the headlights mounted in the flush
panels rather than the indented panels. James Taylor has published several
pictures including one in "The Land Rover Story" with the notation that only
US market models were built without the recess, which would have all been
88s. Is this 109 a US vehicle or export? Also Jim Allen wrote about a '68 88"
with flush panel headlights in LRO mag in the last year or so.

I can't find a listing for a  flush front panel with a headlamp cut-out. Best
bet would be to find a flush panel (difficult, try Atlantic British) and have
the appropriate holes cut. This one sounds like it is worth keeping original.
In fact a photo to James Taylor might be in order.

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:26:08 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers

You wrote: 

>Any guesses what freight from England to the US would be for a fuel tank?
>Preferred method of shipping?
>David Cockey
>Rochester, Michigan

If memory serves, air freight will be about $150, but you can bring in more 
on that sum than just the tank.  I had a 109SW tank air freighted in along 
with some other goods a group of us ordered for about that.  I don't recall 
the air freight was particularly variable within the weight range we were 
considering. I believe the tank accounted for most of the weight.

Sea freight will be less but take at least a month.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:34:27 -0800
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@mail.comox.island.net>
Subject: Re: 1968 LR fenders

Kier M. Ouderkirk wrote:

> I had a customer come to me with a question that I am not sure of its
> answer. He is looking for a replacement fender for his 68 109 LR, he says
> that it needs a fender that has no square indent around the light
> assemblies on the front.

If I'm not mistaken that would be a US spec 11A fender.

Cheers, Greg

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:12:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers

Here's my suggestion.....look in the yellow pages under Radiators for an
authorized dealer of "Gas Tank Renu-USA" my Tank was real bad..full of holes
on the rear-end
it cost around $200 to have them dis-assemble the whole thing from the
skid-plate cut out the entire side /sandblast the inside/repair the
metal/coat the inside/and coat the outside/re-solder and attach the
skidplate....it is guaranteed for life ...seems lots of municipal agencies
use this process on firetrucks etc..it also used by antique auto restorers..I
would not recommend using a slosh around inside the tank sealer......
For the cost of the tank/shipping it was worth it I won't have to worry about
it again.....
Rgds,
Steve

 

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:01:29 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: New owner adventures!

> Congrats on the new Dormobile.  Best guess is that there were only 
> about 500 Land Rovers converted to Dormobiles  

I thought there were only 160 LR Dormobiles?  

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:01:19 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: RE: WAIT A MINUTE

I don't know anything about Renewed Traditions, and personally will 
remain rather skeptical until someone I trust (like someone on this list) 
can personally vouch for them, but I have to open my big mouth about 
this...

[misc dates snipped]
> So I ask you this:  How in the HELL do you get a perfectly legal 
> "Stage One V8" by using parts that are based on a pre-1969 Land Rover? 

The parts aren't pre-1969, the donor vehicle is.  They (say they) take a 
pre-69 rover, put sIII seats in, a V-8, misc. other upgraded pieces on, 
etc., and what you have left over after swapping every single part is a 
pre-1969 rover with all the wrong (stage 1 v-8) parts on it.  

This is something I've had to deal with in terms of managing computers -- 
after you swap out enough cards and drives and so on, when is it not the 
same computer?  

> You are ripping consumers off-BIGTIME!  Your business practices are
> misleading and fraudulent.  

If anyone is being misled, it's the DMV.  I think you misread the 
original message...

> I will expound in brief: It is completely legal to restore a pre-1969 
> Land Rover, it is perfectly legal to do mechanical upgrades to a 
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> Rover.Then once you have upgraded the interior and front end you have a 
> PERFECTLY LEGAL STAGE 1 V-8.

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:02:22 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: NYC Car Owners, Listen Up! -Fwd

Do you think this would work with Land Rovers?

---- Forwarded from Craig Grilley <cgrilley@nccc.org>: 

A great idea for the car owners of NYC:

  Before going to Europe on business, a man drove his Rolls-Royce to a
  downtown NY City bank and went in to ask for an immediate loan of
  $5,000. The loan officer, taken aback, requested collateral. "Well,
  then, here are the keys to my Rolls-Royce", the man said. The loan
  officer promptly had the car driven into the bank's underground parking
  for safe keeping, and gave him $5,000.

  Two weeks later, the man walked through the bank's doors, and asked to
  settle up his loan and get his car back. "That will be $5,000 in
  principal, and $15.40 in interest", the loan officer said. The man
  wrote out a check and started to walk away.

  "Wait sir", the loan officer said, "while you were gone, I found out
  you are a millionaire. Why in the world would you need to borrow
  $5,000?"

  The man smiled. "Where else could I park my Rolls-Royce in Manhattan
  for two weeks and pay only $15.40?"

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:29:07 -0500
Subject: Re: BSROA & Globe

The BSROA's recent winter driving course at Rovers North was given front page 
coverage in the Automotive section of today's Boston Sunday Globe!! Thanks 
very very much to Camel Trophy photographer/journalist Susan Mead for this 
exposure for our club! For her effort, we are pleased to announce that Susan 
will receive a complementary membership in the BSROA as a token of the Board 
of Director's appreciation. 

The annual Cape Cod party was held also today at Badger Coachworks. A good 
turnout was on hand, and, for the first time in many moons, Series vehicles 
outnumbered new product!! Chris Laws is busy hatching his latest top for the 
Defender 90 - wait until you see this thing!! Also in the skunkworks is a 
complete line of *Tickford* luggage!!

cheerz
Jim

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A lightweight
`68 2B 110 F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:40:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Supply and Dementia

Is a gold President Rolex worth 30 grand? Is a Wilson Audio Wham speaker 
system worth over 70 thou? 

What is *anything* worth? The sum of its parts? Not usually. Value is, has 
always been, and will forever be a complex combination of desirability, 
exclusivity, functionality, and market demand. 

What is a Jeep Cherokee worth in the United Kingdom? A heck of a lot more than 
they fetch here in the USA where they sprout like weeds...

Somehow the message about the *value* of a D110 in the USA by supply and 
dimentia is lost on me - I must be missing something. Sounds like supply and 
demand to me. Nothing more, nothing less...

Jim

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:34:21 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Tanks - Shipping & Sealers

At 09:52 PM 3/24/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Any guesses what freight from England to the US would be for a fuel tank?
>Preferred method of shipping?
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>larger lever arm?
>David Cockey
>Rochester, Michigan
David

If the leaks on your fuel tank are easy to get at, there is a old VW trick
(at least from an old VW repair manual) to make a temporary fix.

Take a bar of soap and rub it into the hole(s).  Continue rubbing until the
fuel leak stops.

This is suppose to work for gas and diesel.  I never had to try it on an
auto fuel tank but some years back it worked for me on a heating fuel tank.
I had poked some small holes in the bottom of a full 275 gallon heating oil
tank (never mind how or why) causing several steady drips.

Rubbing a bar of soap into the holes stopped the leaks and the soap was
still holding a few years later when I sold the house.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover (leaking from the top of the new tank)
Newport New Hampshire USA  603-863-7883

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:43:41 -0800
From: scooper@scooper.seanet.com (Sandy Cooper)
Subject: Land rovers in Trk Trader

I saw 3 land rovers in the Truck Trader today.  One 73 series 111 swb with
safari top and od for 6500.  One 67 series 11a 109 for 13,000  looked to be
missing sills from under doors also with safari top.   And One 69 series 11a
swb with all kinds of goodies included for 16,500.  Pacific Northwest.

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Subject: Land Rover Toy News
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 96 18:57:15 -0500

A large number of people have asked to be put on the toy mailing list.

I have just today sent Dixon all those who have asked me, so you should 
get stuff Moday night / Tuesday morning.

If you want to subscribe DO NOT E MAIL DIXON AT HIS EMR ADDRESS.

USE THIS ONE: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca

Robin

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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From: JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 96 23:35:00 -0500
Subject: Pos. vs Neg. ground?

Greetings,

I have a question for the wizards of the digest.

I have recently acquired a 67' 109 wagon with a 2.6 liter engine.  The
Lucas generator was replaced with a Delco alternator.  Other than that,
(and a missing air cleaner and battery) the engine compartment seems to
be intact.  I Would like to attempt to start this engine.  How can I tell
if it has a positive or negative ground.

Jim Cirbus
94' D-90  #730
70' Ser IIa 88"  (for sale $1700 OBO)
67' Ser IIa 109"

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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:54:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Richard Justin Chala <rchala@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Axles?

Hello Everyone,

I was wondering how long, from backing plate to backing plate, the axles 
are on series III 109".  Also the early defender's.  Were the early 
defenders leaf sprung?  I am looking into swapping axles with my ser.III 88"

Just thinking out loud.
Thanks,
Rich

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:03:02 -0800
Subject: Re: Axles?

On Sun, 24 Mar 1996, Richard Justin Chala <rchala@gladstone.uoregon.edu> wrote:

>I was wondering how long, from backing plate to backing plate, the axles 
>are on series III 109".  Also the early defender's.  Were the early 
>defenders leaf sprung?  I am looking into swapping axles with my ser.III 88"

Not sure on the exact measurement but the Def axles are about 4"-5" wider.  The 
early Defenders (known as Land Rover 90 or 110) were all coil sprung..that's why 
they went to the new naming structure (not Series IV).  Theoretically, however, 
it is not too much work to put leaf spring mounts on a Def/RR axle to take 
advantage of the disc brakes and better turning radius....

Hope this helps...

Regards,
Eric

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From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com
Subject: Land Rover Discovery in Consumer Reports
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 96 22:13:54 PST

The annual auto issue of Consumer Reports just came out, and as before,
they gave very poor ratings to the Land Rover Discovery in just about 
every category. I guess they're no fan of the legendary marque...

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Roger Peng                                     (408)765-7863
Intel Corporation
Design Technology, Physical CAD
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:37:58 -0800
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Talk

In Vancouver yesterday.  Saw a really nice D90 soft top that 
looked *a lot* like an ex military model, or at least a darned
good copy.  Olive soft top and that olive/black streaky 
camo.

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 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 05:17:17 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Heated Windscreens

*** Resending note of 03/24/96 21:56
|The last time that I checked with Rovers North, the heated windscreen
|kit for a D90 was L850.00 and the heated windscreen kit for the Series
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|Rovers North (802) 879-0032
| Theodore Sawyer
These prices really are extracing the urine.  The price I paid was
either 50 or 60 UK pounds.  At that rate you could pay for somebody
to hop on a plane, buy half a dozen, pay up the import duty and still
make a profit, er I mean sell them to others on the list at a discount.
  
That price is per side BTW.
  
How can anybody justify L465 for a 2' by 18" pane with some wires in it?
  
As they say one born every minute...
  
Tara, Steve
  

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:09:32 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Grafton in SA

>when is Andy coming back?

Judging by the tone of his letters.....not if he can help it!!!
Well,would you?
Mike Rooth

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