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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 06:35:30 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Underpants

|>Why are my underpants outside my trousers???
|Some strange Brit dressing custom?? Been drinking 90Wt again??
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
|Cheers
|Mike
  
Actually it was a Superman joke.
  
I have had to give up the 90wt on medical advice.
  
Steve Reddock, Xyratex       | Just as he thought he had
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450     | clinched the interview he was
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)           | visited by the ghost of Usenet
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | Postings Past.

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 06:59:39 -0500
From: GMA <calvin-gm@granite.mv.net>
Subject: For Sale: 1989 RR Parts truck

I have a 1989 Range Rover parts truck. It rolled over and I used the
complete interior for an other RR. Only good body panels are the front
doors. It has complete drive train, runs and drives. I have five very good
wheels w/four very good tires. Frame and suspension is good. Many, many
parts left. It is located in southern New Hampshire, USA.

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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 96 07:23:52 EST
From: admin@po.cle.ab.com (ccMail SMTPLINK)
Subject: ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message

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From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:52:59 -0500
Subject: Re: SIII cold starting difficulties

Xavier (?) wrote:
>I recently bought a '73 SIII.  In the morning the temp. would be below
>freezing and the battery would barely turn over the engine.  I replaced the
>battery and now the engine turns over but usualy doesn't fire.  After a few
>minutes of trying the battery can barely turn over the engine.  Is my
starter
>moter drawing too much ampage or is there another problem?
Above quote stolen from Peter H's signal, without permission!  

I agree with Peter Hirsch's comments, but would add that in operating my SIII
for 20 odd years in Maine, when I have had starting problems (hard for
starter to turn engine over) it has been because of dirty or loose
connections, and, after some 20 years, just plain worn out cables.  My
suggestion is that you get a battery terminal brush and thoroughly clean the
battery terminals, then go right through the high amperage wiring - battery
to solenoid to starter and really clean (bright & shiny) all the cable ends,
posts, washers and nuts.  Finally, do the same cleaning job on the ground
cable.  Replace any cable that looks/feels (broken strands, cracked
insulation) less than serviceable.  If after doing all the above, the engine
still cranks hard, I would have the battery load tested.  A battery can show
12 or more volts on a voltmeter and still not be able to deliver the very
high amperage required for starting. 

Good luck!

Doug (Now, where did I put those jumper cables, since I forgot to park on the
hill) Scott
2 ea. Series III and charter member of the (all inclusive) BB.

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From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:53:42 -0500
Subject: Series Wiper Blades

I have for years used a generic arm and wiper blade available from the NAPA
auto parts stores.  While not Solihull original for sure, they have the nice
feature of allowing one to rotate the blade carrier on the end of the wiper
arm, thus customizing the sweep of the blade to meet personal preferences.  I
don't have the part no. right at hand, but I bought a set in January for my
son's SIII, so I know they still carry them..

Can't remember where you are.  If no NAPA store where you are, I would be
happy to get details, price, etc. for you.

While we're cleaning windshields, and at the risk of being flamed for using
bandwidth, I finally got fed up with the OEM windshield washer setup on my
SIII.  So, I bought a generic washer pump, bolted it to the wing wall near
the reservoir, then ran clear tubing back and up through a hole drilled in
the wing just forward of the firewall.  The tube goes up the edge of the
windscreen and across the top to the midpoint of the passenger side
windscreen.  The tube rides in nylon cable clamps, which are held by screws
going into the rubber between the top and windscreen (no, they haven't leaked
a drop even in heavy rain).  The "squirters" are "T's" from the local
aquarium shop, the passenger side becomes an "elbow" by capping the unneeded
end with a short piece of tubing with a screw turned into it.  I have used
the system all winter, at speeds up to 65 mph.  Since the squirters point
down and are large openings, as compared to "sprayers", I have had no
problems at all with clogging.  It's also nice to hit the switch and watch
the liquid come up the tube on the left side of the windscreen (I am so easy
to please!)  It is wired into the OEM washer/wiper switch.  Next task is to
extend system to rear window, headlights, taillights and side
mirrors...Whaaat?

Doug (my son says my windshield washer system looks awful) Scott

     

Doug 

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Date: 3 Mar 1996 22:46:16 U
From: "Marc Rengers" <Marc.Rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl>
Subject: Splitting ?? What?? Oh NO!!!!!

Goood morning world !

Coming back from a week-during holiday and it's a WAR !!

Listen and read below:

A LANDROVER is A LANDROVER !!

Disco or Range or Series or Defender, it's a LR !!!!

please don't act like 'jeep-ers'

Marc Rengers

marc.rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl

Groningen, Holland

SIII  88" HardTop Petrol 1977
     110" StaWag  Diesel 1987

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Date: 3 Mar 1996 23:18:45 U
From: "Marc Rengers" <Marc.Rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl>
Subject: RE: 110 questions

>      1.)  The back of the vehicle lists  permanently to port - I'm =
guessing 
>      that the rear springs need replacing - is it a relatively easy job =
?? 
>      do I need any special tools ??

Yes, it's a very easy job and requires only jacks, wheel stands and 
preferably a spring compressor but some wire will work for holding the 
spring in a compressed position.

It is even much easier!

Unscrew the top of the shockabsorber and take it loose of the chassis. Now =
use a jack and jack the Landy up. The axle will stay on the ground so the =
spring will come loose and can be excanged wit another.

Simple, isn't it?

Marc Rengers

marc.rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl

Groningen, Holland

SIII  88" HardTop Petrol 1977
     110" StaWag  Diesel 1987

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Date: 03 Mar 96 17:38:53 EST
From: <RALPH@smuggits.mhs.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re:Seats

The junk yards are a good bet for seats. The other place to look are the 
car classifieds. I am currently in the process of fitting a new set of 
seats to my 101. They cost me 60ukp ($90) and are made by Recaro 
(Decent). The only problem is the plushmobile image they give and that 
you will have to use the rails that come with seats, however any sports 
car seats will be pretty minimalistic so this shouldn't be a problem.

Ralph.

101 FC.

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From: morison@alumni.caltech.edu
Subject: split list & prejudice
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:07:18 -0800 (PST)

 I prefer to lurk but this is out of hand...

 First, I have seen this question by not a single reply to it.  If one
 is subscribed to LRO Digest, does that mean they get all the lists
 combined in their digest?

 Second, I respect the favoritism of various LR vehicles.  But the
 CHILDLIKE name calling and finger pointing is driving everybody
 away.  It is a shame because LR are great vehicles... ALL OF THEM!

 How can various people post angry messages about other vehicle's drivers
 not waving back when the list can't even maintain respect for all LR
 vehicles and their drivers.  PERHAPS, the other drivers are ex-LRO
 list members who would rather just enjoy their vehicles and not have
 to defend why they drive a Disco or Defender, or the RR? 

 If only this list could be friendly and bring out the joys and frustrations
 of LR's rather than become the  elite snobby police state it has become.

 It is in contradiction to the English publication devoted to LR vehicles:
 Land Rover World (which I learned about via the LRO list).  In that mag
 they have articles about all vehicles from Series to RR and all in between
 including unusual modified "strange-rovers."  They seem to be able to
 recognize that Land Rover means just that: LAND ROVER.

 The list splits are fine. (Although I would prefer just one list.)
 But that doesn't change the terrible nasty attitudes that prevail 
 among the non-plushie people.  They put down the plushies but are 
 far bigger SNOBs than the so-called yuppies they rag on. So tell me,
 why would anyone want to wave to a bunch of mean snobs?

 Janine

 morison@alumni.cco.caltech.edu

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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 96 23:33:15 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: RE: split list & prejudice

If this does not sum up the attitudes of the majority I don't what does. The 
minority, you should be ashamed, especially your attitude Russell !    

The minority have spoilt it for everyone, as usual. 

Mark, (sick and tired of the Series Snobs..................From the more civil 
list.)      

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From:  morison@alumni.caltech.edu
Sent:  Sunday, March 03, 1996 6:07 PM
Subject:  split list & prejudice

 I prefer to lurk but this is out of hand...

 First, I have seen this question by not a single reply to it.  If one
 is subscribed to LRO Digest, does that mean they get all the lists
 combined in their digest?

 Second, I respect the favoritism of various LR vehicles.  But the
 CHILDLIKE name calling and finger pointing is driving everybody
 away.  It is a shame because LR are great vehicles... ALL OF THEM!

 How can various people post angry messages about other vehicle's drivers
 not waving back when the list can't even maintain respect for all LR
 vehicles and their drivers.  PERHAPS, the other drivers are ex-LRO
 list members who would rather just enjoy their vehicles and not have
 to defend why they drive a Disco or Defender, or the RR? 

 If only this list could be friendly and bring out the joys and frustrations
 of LR's rather than become the  elite snobby police state it has become.

 It is in contradiction to the English publication devoted to LR vehicles:
 Land Rover World (which I learned about via the LRO list).  In that mag
 they have articles about all vehicles from Series to RR and all in between
 including unusual modified "strange-rovers."  They seem to be able to
 recognize that Land Rover means just that: LAND ROVER.

 The list splits are fine. (Although I would prefer just one list.)
 But that doesn't change the terrible nasty attitudes that prevail 
 among the non-plushie people.  They put down the plushies but are 
 far bigger SNOBs than the so-called yuppies they rag on. So tell me,
 why would anyone want to wave to a bunch of mean snobs?

 Janine

 morison@alumni.cco.caltech.edu

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Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 18:53:26
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Life's a breeze

	I just got back from the Eastern Shore where I was working on my 
"other" diesel, the two-banger Volvo in the boat.It's a great engine but is 
suffering some rust from too much procrastination. also the motor mounts and 
prop shaft need replacing...oh hell, what do you care. BTW, I have a tip for 
all you winter refitters out there: If you have water in the bilge and no 
batteries on board,try a siphon tube out thru a cockpit scupper. Miracle.
	Anyway, lets just say that they don't get to see many Land-Rovers in 
Cambridge,MD., especially a 109 with a huge rack on top. "Whudja just get 
back from a safari?" Ha Ha, such original wit,I was overwhelmed. 
	The real thrust of all this is that the trip home was a real 
pain-in-the-a** due to the 25-30 knot headwind all the way(about 100 miles) 
Going over the bridge at the Choptank and the Bay Bridge was quite an 
adventure! Overall traffic was light and I was aided by a couple of semi rigs 
that I was able to slipstream on a few uphills. 
	I have to say that I wouldn't hesitate to take the truck on long hauls 
even in such adverse conditions. I am in no hurry and even so it only took 15 
minutes more than in a passenger car. With no headwind it would keep up with 
traffic thanx to the OD unit.
	BTW Choptank oysters are the best oysters on the face of the globe bar 
none. I've had those Virginia and Louisiana bivalves and they taste like mud. 
Only the unique combination of sweet and salt water can produce such 
wonderful creatures. I pity you all.

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:12:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Splitting ?? What?? Oh NO!!!!!

Too Late they already have
Rgds, Steve

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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 16:24:01 -0800
From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Franklin H. Yap )
Subject: Waxoyl

I got mine from Tripe C Motors.  They used to be in California but is 
now in the Mid-West.  They have a mail order flyer and sell some LR 
toys.

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 08:44:50 +0800
From: Chua Hian Koon <gischk@sgh.gov.sg>

Can you arrange for gzztsj@sgh.gov.sg to be unsubscribed from
majordomo@

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Subject: Land Rover toy digest news
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 96 19:34:44 -0500

I have been trying to set up a system so that those of us interested in 
Land Rover toys can get our jollies but am in need of some help, you s~ee 
uncle Dixon (oh great wise Rover man from the North) was supposed to set 
it up for me. He needs some encourage ment to do so , so let him know 
that you want it and send him some encouragement at  dkenner@emr1.emr.ca

rgds

Robin

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:23:34 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Famous Splits...

Lesseeee...  There was that split betwixt the north & south part of the 
US...  Yugoslavia split up, didn't they?  The beatles split up...  And 
now the LRO list...  One more disaster, what's the difference?

When I'm short on time, I delete "plushie" messages without reading them. 
 But I also delete series tech stuff too.  When I have time, I find 
there's a lot I can learn about my rover byreading about electric seat 
switches failing, or where to put cupholders, or what-have-you.  

Mind you, I'm on the realtime list, so I get to delete each message 
individually.  Y'all on the digest just have to scroll past 'em.  What 
d'y'all do when you have to change a tire or add gear oil?  AAA is for 
mazda & toyota owners.  Land Rover owners know how to use a wrench 
(7/16") and the delete key.

P.S., personally, I've got more important things to worry about than how 
many leaky disco or leaky series messages I need to delete.  My dad fell 
again this morning (decided he was gonna do his own laundry), but luckily 
he ended up just sitting down hard on the stairs.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 18:23:37 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Insurance Question re 57 Seies I

When I bought my LR, I needed to have a value for the loan.  I had two 
official appraisals done.  These were based, a lot, upon info I provided. 
 I had letters from Scotty and the editor of the LROA newsletter, stating 
what they thought it was worth.  I had also collected ads of similar 
vehicles for sale in the AW and flyers from RN, AB, etc. I also pointed 
out various value-increasing items, such as the OD, winch, etc.

When I went to AAA for insurance (recently), they said that if the time 
came, they would look at what similar vehicles were being sold for at the 
time to obtain replacement value.

I dunno if its worth getting an actual appraisal, but I know I'm saving 
all the BP flyers and such I get.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: BDaviscar@aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 21:33:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Seats

In a message dated 96-03-03 17:45:14 EST, you write:

>The junk yards are a good bet for seats. The other place to look are the 
>car classifieds. 

Lets not forget the ever popular swap meets I have foud many good seats at VW
show/swap meets (I also have them VW's that is.) I just like cars the
stranger the better sometimes.

Bruce

 Chicago

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Date: 03 Mar 96 21:47:07 EST
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Cheap Disco winch

Subject: Cheap winch for Disco

I have just completed the installation of a winch on my 94 disco, the total
cost
of which was $525 (340 pounds). I used a slightly used superwinch X-9000 and
fabbed the mounting plate from 8 inch structural steel channel. The winch
sits
between the frame rails and the fairlead exits just below the front bumper.
No
modifications to the frame or bumper were required and the crush cans are
still
intact so the airbags should not be affected. The only modiification was to
the
bottom horizontal bar of the factory bull bar. It was relocated slightly
lower
to give the fairlead room. If anyone is interested in the installation call
or
E-mail me and I will fax you some pictures.. The gentleman who helped me with
the engineering and fabrication is considering making them for sale, and
though
the complete cost would be more than what I paid (used winch and sweat
equity)
it will certainly be much less than any other winch currenly offered for the
Disco.

                                                Mark Ritter
                                                Well equipped 94 Disco

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Date: 03 Mar 96 21:47:12 EST
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: All this Bull#$&*

I can't believe I'm doing this but I will be unsubscribing from the old list and
moving over to the rro list as i am sick and tired of reading through the verbal
diarrhea about who waves and whose vehicle is plush or not. I joined this list
for technical info and to share experinces about ALL LR products. Instead of
splitting the list around vehicle types how about making a poser list for those
of you who refuse to take your pride and joy off the "metalled" road. Those are
the types that I would like to see gone. In our club SOLAROS the rides are
always a mix of old and new and the talk is never of whose vehicle is better. We
are just all out to have fun. There is an element on this list (you know who you
are) that continually bashes the newer vehicles and I think I have figured out
why- you are jealous. Maybe if you expended the same time and energy at your
livelyhood that you do putting down those who can afford a $35,000 vehicle you
too could drive one. To those series owners that I have talked to over the p[ast
year thank you for your time and I hope we can talk again someday. To the elment
that is driving LR owners off this list GET A LIFE.

								Mark Ritter

If you want to respond to this please send it to my address as I will be off
this list.

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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:36:22 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: List and splits

Several months ago, someone posted an erudite message about the multiple 
stages in the life cycles of newsgroups.  Though I didn't save that post, I 
think the LRO as attained (sunk) to level 6, or worse.  Time to stop this 
internecine bickering.

        "If you don't want someone to get your goat, don't
        show them were it's tied up."
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:36:39 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Waxoyl and others

Waxoyl may indeed be the best, but there are other substances that may be 
easier/cheaper to obtain locally.  If you live near any sizeable military 
bases or have "surplus" suppliers in your area, diluted "Cosmoline" works 
well.  Another compound is Texaco's "Flocoat" though that is now out of 
produstion.  Originally designed for marine use, it was dumped by the barrel 
into a ship's flooded hold.  When the water was pumped out, the oil would 
coat every surface.

Texaco now makes "Rust Prevenative Compound L" with "L" for liquid at room 
temperature.  It is relatively cheap, available in 5 gal. pails and 35 gal 
drums.  All of these display considerable 'creep' or the ability to 
self-recover scraped off areas.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 22:47:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Land Rover toy digest news

> I have been trying to set up a system so that those of us interested in 
> Land Rover toys can get our jollies but am in need of some help, you s~ee 

	Software was up and running, being tested on some other ideas
	last year, but the software fell into disuse and got blown
	away in a searh for more disc space (500mb isn't enough...)
	Will see if I can find some back-ups or will write a new
	listserv programme for the DOS/Waffle set-up on fourfold.

	BTW, When Uncle Dixon gets some cash, such problems will be
	solved when he drops a real operating system on the replacement
	platform...  RIght now that platform is competing with a Turner
	engine.

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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 09:05:59 +0100
From: Thorsten Klein <tklein@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE>
Subject: Re: The Birmabright Brotherhood

Hallo Trevor,
If you are the keeper of the world-wide BB list, please add my name to 
the list

	Thorsten Klein
	Mainz, Germany
	Vehicle: Lightweight SIII
	Tel.: 0049/6131/618099
	e-mail: tklein@MZDMZA.ZDV:UNI-MAINZ.DE

	I offer:
	Place for sleeping bags
	Coffee, Tea, Beer
	Tools
	Towing to a independent Land Rover garage (cheap and good)

			Thank you very much
				Thorsten

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From: jve@phaseone.dk
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 96 09:54:42 
Subject: 109 loose transfer bearing?

Hi all.

Man am I tired of working with the gearbox. When I had my 109 sIII in the 
workshop a few weeks ago getting the brakes fixed, my mechanic pointed out that 
the transfer brake drum can be moved up and down by hand. This indicates that 
the bearing in the transfer box is loose. He told me that I could adjust it by 
removing some of the shims between the xfer box and the speedometer cable 
housing. I checked with my service manual and it looks like it is possible to do 
that.
I also noticed some nasty clunks when I am motor braking in 2nd gear. Could this 
be related to the loose bearing? It only happens in 2nd. I have recently renewed 
all gear wheels on the main axle in the main gearbox and it's smooth as silk 
(well, you know, in LR terms) when accelerating.

SO - what do you think? Can I adjust myself out of this or do I need surgery?

Happy rovering.

Jens Vesterdahl
Copenhagen, Denmark

1972 109 sIII STW

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From: i.mitchell@ic.ac.uk
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 09:57:40 GMT
Subject: Wanted: LWB for Africa

hi again

Well, it's got to the stage now that it has to be done! My Series III
SWB has got to go so that I can buy a LWB for the up and coming Africa
trip.

WANTED:

SIII LWB. Preferably Diesel. Must have a good chassis. Don't care too
much about gearbox or engine as will replace these unless they have
been recently reconditioned.

FOR SALE (or exchange):

SIII SWB. 2.25 Petrol, soft top. W Reg but age is a bit of a mystery.
(Chassis no. begins '903' which denotes pre 1979). Excellent Chassis.
Dual circuit brakes, new shoes all round, new cylinders at rear. New
clutch, new slave cylinder and recon. master cylinder. Hi back seats &
all round sound proofing. Cassette and mounted speakers.

At the moment our plan is to drive to Uganda via Egypt, Sudan, Eritrea,
Ethioia and Kenya. It's a 4000 mile mission (not counting distance to
Egypt) to boldly go.....

Any comments/info on getting a LR to Africa e.g. ferry lines,
 freighters etc, more than welcome.

Cheers, 
Ian 

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:07:03 +0100
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: Series wipper blades

to Matt Loxton:
I'm using on my SIII wiper blades of a 2cv Citro=EBn and they fit perfectly.

Philippe Carchon,
SIII, '81 Lightweight
Ghent, Belgium 

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Date: 04 Mar 96 07:23:24 EST
From: <RALPH@smuggits.mhs.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re:Wanted LWB for africa

Ian,

If you are interested I am doing a similar trip (leaving in about 3 
weeks) in a converted 101FC. Our route is similar, although we will be 
driving overland through Eastern Europe and the Middle East to Egypt, but 
you may be interested that at the moment the border between Egypt and 
Sudan is firmly shut. Officially it has been for  a while, but people 
were getting through. Latest reports from overlanders leaving that area 
indicate that no-one, not even pedestrians let alone vehicles are getting 
through. There are however ferries running down the Red Sea to both Port 
Sudan and Eritrea. Another point to note is that currently Egypt is 
demanding 4WD permits apparently a preventative measure due to the 
terrorism there. A friend was recently turned away at the border in their 
127 and was unable to get one in neighbouring countries. They are however 
available here. There's so much to tell and so little time, so if you are 
interested, get back to me. Additionally I am in contact with at least 
six other groups who are doing similar things and will be staying in 
contact when possible during my travels (laptop) so I could give you 
updates on the situation whilst I'm there if you like (I have recently 
been offered a satellite uplink, so you never know!) 

I'd be intested in discussing trip preparation if you are up for it, to 
see what your ideas are.

Ralph

101 FC.

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Hand Winching
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 96 08:46:00 EST

Mathew Loxton writes "Sorry I dont get it"

The idea is that the amount of torque applied by hand is so low that the 
wheels don't spin and can climb very slowly out of the mess they  were in. I 
agree a comealong or other hand winch is better but maybe your stuck without 
anything else. Of course that would never happen to an LRO, we're always 
prepared for anything.

Trevor"Pass the Bailey Bridge, this ditch is w---i---d---e" Easton 

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Wipers for SII and III
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 96 08:49:00 EST

Corvettes also use the dinky wiper and there should be a good supply of 
those. May be necessary to modify the end of the arm or the back of the 
blade.

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Vacuum Advance
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 96 08:58:00 EST

John Purnell writes "When
you shut off the engine, the retard is active and if your engine is 
dieseling
there will still be a vacuum below the butterfly and this cranks back your
ignition timing, helping to stop the dieseling.  "

But, John, when you shut off the engine there ain't no more ignition from 
the distributor so how would it stop the dieseling. I thought this was 
caused by hot spots in the cylinder created by the lean burning conditions 
due to emissions controls.

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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 08:16:45 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: diesel vs petrol

/internet
/to rro@land-rover.team.net
/report
/end
A little while ago somebody started a diesel vs petrol flame war.
I think it was sparked off by someone saying "I'm thinking of
buying a diesel series III, waadya think."
  
For a couple of weeks things escalated to a quite heated debate
(to put it mildly!).
  
The only conclusion was that the engines run on different fuel and
have different benefits & drawbacks.
  
Notice how careful I am being not to appear on either side of the
fence.
  
What about bringing LPG gas conversions into the debate this time.
ONLY JOKING!!!!
  
Cheers, Steve
  
Steve Reddock, Xyratex       | Just as he thought he had
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450     | clinched the interview he was
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)           | visited by the ghost of Usenet
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | Postings Past.

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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 09:09:45 -0500
From: Elizabeth Renee Fekete <EFEKETE@imf.org>
Subject:  The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest -Reply

To Clinton D. Coates
Re: WAXOYL
I purchased Waxoyl for my TR6 at Moss Motors.  If you don't have the
phone number, let me know.

Elisabeth Fekete
Chevy Chase, MD

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 04 Mar 96 07:49:24 MST
Subject: D90 envy!

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Robert, (I think? I have a VERY short memory!)

I'm positive that it's just Disco envy! Also, consider the age... "all"
teenyboppers have that "smarter than God" attitude. I'd like to see that
tall truck get cross angled!

I'd surely wave if I say you... of ANY other LR product. But then I'm...
well.. . a little more mature, have a "teenybpooer" of my own. Only
difference is, he LOVES LR's, and especially D90's! Yup! I'm pretty
proud of my boy!!! (Wish his school grades were better though...)

Rest assured that there is NOPLACE that some silly tall piece of junk
can go that you can't, and LOTS of places that the D90 can go that they
couldn't dream of. Ignorance! That's all it is!

#=======#         _________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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From: "Peter & Julie Rosvall" <rosvall@mi.net>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:41:15 +0000
Subject: VW Conversions?

To all:

What was the result of the recent (last week) talk about VW Diesel 
conversions? Are they possible? How would they work? Who sells the 
conversion kit?

Thanks,

Peter Rosvall
rosvall@mi.net

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: BB List
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 96 10:08:00 EST

I will be posting out the March edition of the BB list to members on 
Wednesday. If you are on the list and don't receive a copy by Friday let me 
know.
At risk of being berated for displaying the dreaded profit motive. I have 
iron on patches (approx 2 1/2 x 1 1/2 to go on poly/cotton shirt) ) of the 
BB Badge available for $5.00 inc post and packing. If you want one and are 
on the list just send me the $5 and a return address. (cackle, smirk."The'll 
never see me again" teaston@rio.com  [;-) )
Trevor Easton  124 Central Avenue, Grimsby, Ontario, Canada. L3M 4Z2

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 04 Mar 96 08:58:28 MST
Subject: Who says LR's leak???

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486

I've always put up with various minor seepage on virtually all oil
filled areas of all my LR's. But more recently, I've really noticed how
much *more* my Acura leaks, and my roommates Chevy pickup, and my other
roommates Mercury. All 3 of my LR's combined don't leak as much as
*any* one of the other "Exxon Valdeese's" parked in front of my house!
In fact, the LR's are the only ones that I'll "allow" to park in the
driveway, since they "don't leak". (That is, they don't leak like a
sieve, only tiny little drips.)

So I say... "Cheers to Land-Rover"! Always room for improvement, but
great work overall!

Dave (a satisfied customer) Brown

#=======#         _________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:03:59 GMT -0600
Subject: winches, portable and not

I'm putting together what I hope to be a rather comprehensive piece on
winches for Land Rovers. Models, pros & cons, usage/safety, stuff like
that. I'm interested in finding out what model winch you have on your
Solihull product, how you like it, any special modifications you made
to mounting/connecting it and any memorable experiences you've had
using it, good, bad or embarrassing. I won't use any names unless you
really want me to. Thanks.

Also,
I can't remember if I ever postd the name of the portable winch 
someone was asking about months ago.
It's called the Lewis winch and has a 4000# single line pull with 
150' of 3/16" cable. It weighs 20lbs and is powered by your chain saw.
Made by Lewis Products Company. The one place that I know of that 
sells it is Forestry Suppliers in Louisiana. That's all the info I 
have.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:05:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: koenig winches...

	Anyone have a general value on what the front crank version of a 
	Koenig winch would be worth?  All there, works fine...

Dixon Kenner                                    (819) 997-1107
Canadian Forestry Service                       Natural Resources Canada

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:09:27 GMT -0600
Subject: toys list

Just got word from Dixon he's working on a mailing list for for Rover 
toys. It may be a while, but keep on the lookout for two lists, one 
for Series toys, and one for coil sprung toys.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: crash@merl.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:10:44 -0500
Subject: Syn90 and synATF

I talked to both LRNA and Mobil Tech Support about the synlubes
for transmissions and diffs- they are all in agreement that the
synlubes are better at everything (including leaking...) and that
no harm will come of using them in a LR (and possibly quite a bit
of good.)

	-Bill Yerazunis (synmuble everywhere on Sally)

------------------------------

From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:16:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Famous Splits...

In a message dated 96-03-03 21:33:47 EST, Uncle Rog, he write:

>Lesseeee...  There was that split betwixt the north & south part of the 
>US...  Yugoslavia split up, didn't they?  The beatles split up...  And 
>now the LRO list...  One more disaster, what's the difference?

Paul Kennedy wrote a book called "The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers."
 Rome fell, The Mings fell, Russia fell, England fell, America will fall too,
I guess LRO has fallen.

John. D90, standin' tall on them 16 inch tyres. 

------------------------------

From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:17:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Life's a breeze

In a message dated 96-03-03 18:54:51 EST, you write:

> my 
"other" diesel, the two-banger Volvo in the boat.It's a great engine but is 
suffering some rust from too much procrastination. also the motor mounts and 
prop shaft need replacing...oh hell, what do you care.>

Hey, if it is hooked up to a Series, we care.  If it is connected in some
arcane/esoteric way to a Series we care.  Related in any way to a Series, we
care.  Heck...if it SCRATCHES or DENTS a Series...we care!

John, D90, Wisconsinite ab initiado! 

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:46:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: winches, portable and not

On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> I'm putting together what I hope to be a rather comprehensive piece on
> winches for Land Rovers. Models, pros & cons, usage/safety, stuff like
> that. any memorable experiences you've had using it, good, bad or 
> embarrassing. I won't use any names unless you really want me to. Thanks.

	Remember this?

>From trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU Mon Jul 11 11:39:13 1994
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:03:59 GMT -0600
From: Tom Rowe <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Subject: emergency winches

I have invented a really neat emergency winch for my Land Rover.  I carry 
a really long length of that yellow nylon rope, about 3/4" in diameter
in the back of the truck.  When I get stuck I thread the rope either out
through the back or front of the truck, tying it off in the u-joint of the
front or back driveshaft.  It all depends which way I really want to go.
Tried it a couple of times already.  Works well, but it is a bit of a pain
to replace the driveshafts with such regularity, but hey, I'm keen!  Thanks
for the leads on those neat books.  What was one called?  "Winching in 
Safety"?  I'll have to write the author with my new emergency procedures.
I know I'll get a mention!

Thanks for the help!

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 10:48:00 -0600
Subject: Frame Replacement Log, Week 8

Hi all,

Week 8 of the frame replacement is complete, here are a few of the gory
details...

The big new is that the front axle is now back on the new frame. I had
help in the form of my father-in-law, which made things go much, much
faster.

It had gotton cold again, as most of the midwesterners know. When we
were putting the axle back on, it was -2 (f). Big switch from the 50s
a week before. :-( That slowed me down during the week.

Re-attaching the axle was relativly painless, taking the two of us
about 2.5 hours. I was going to put my new shocks on, but without
the weight of the motor, the springs wern't compressed enough to
make them reach.

Next, we disconnected the rear drive shaft and cut the rear axle
loose. I had to cut through the rear spring mount to get the springs
down; the pins had fused into the bushings, and the bushings were so
corroded that they just spun inside the spring curl.

So, as soon as I get my shipment from England I can re-attach the rear
axle. In it are the bushings and U-bolts, as well as all my brake lines,
wheel cylinders, and a zillion other things.

Next it was on to the bulkhead to get it ready for removal. Clutch
and brake master cylinders and peddals were disconnected and removed.
Steering wheel was removed, and I pulled the steering column, frame
bracket, and drag arm off as a unit.

This week its get the rear suspension ready for attachment. I need
to do the last 6 bushings (ICK!), and hopefully my parts will arrive.

*If* I get the bushings done, then its continue to disconnect the
components on the bulkhead from the rest of the truck. I'm not going
to remove the parts from the bulkhead if I can help it until the
new one is ready. Wiring is going to be my biggest challenge, since
I'm not buying a new harness. I'd love to have a new Rover wiring
harness, but funds are getting shorter by the day... So I'll have to
make do with whats there. I hope I'm "super human" enough to get
it wired up properly. :-)

Then its lift the motor and gearbox!

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 11:59:56 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: High Ratio diffs

Dear All,
        Usually don't like to advertise on the digest, but I thought
someone building a project out there might be interested.
        For Sale...
        Set, front and rear high ratio diffs, complete, 3.54. will fit
SIIA/ SIII. Perfect shape, 500 for the pair, or best offer. Customer went
with 4.7, so we have an extra set.
        See ya.

Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.

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From: rostek@balu.kfunigraz.ac.at (Rostek Wolfgang)
Subject: used bellhousing 
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 18:43:25 LOCAL

To all,

I am in urgent need of an used (it=B4s cheaper) bellhousing to connect my=
 2,5 =

Liter naturally aspirated Diesel enginge with the standard Series 3 gearb=
ox (4 =

speed, all syncro). As far as I know also a bellhousing from a 2,25 Liter=
 =

Diesel  should fit. I am from Austria, so the bellhousing  should be some=
where =

in Europe.

Thank you for your help
Wolfgang

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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 12:05:23 -0700
From: Reese Miller <RMILLER@gw.novell.com>
Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest -Reply

I tried to respond to you address for people wanting to
unsubscribe, but the address came back unknown.

Please remove  'rmiller@novell.com' from your list, I am the wrong
person.

Thanks
Reese Miller

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: another web page
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 10:39:00 -0700 (MST)

 For those of you who collect Rover home pages, here another (with minimal 
 content): 

 http://acs5.bu.edu:8001/~mdobs
 

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:25:44 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest -Reply

> I tried to respond to you address for people wanting to
> unsubscribe, but the address came back unknown.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Please remove  'rmiller@novell.com' from your list, I am the wrong
> person.

And I thought I had problems,... or was that the other guy?

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: PZavaletta@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:24:44 -0500
Subject: Unsubscribe lro-digest 

unsubscribe lro-digest. 

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From: PZavaletta@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:24:42 -0500
Subject: Subscribe RRO

subscribe rro. 

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From: PZavaletta@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 14:25:22 -0500
Subject: Instructions Needed

How does one 'unsubscribe' from the LRO Digest and subscribe the Range 
Rover owner portion of the list? 

Thanks in advance, 

Peter M. Zavaletta 

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: subscribing/unsubscribing
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 14:53:13 EST

This is a partial repost of Bill C.'s original message (in which he
announced the split).  To subscribe or unsubscribe to any of the
following lists, send a message to the Major......at:

Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

In the *first line* of your message (NOT the Subject line), place the
command:

subscribe rro          (to subscribe to the rro list), or
unsubscribe lro        (to unsubscribe from the lro list)

and that's it.  You should receive a confirmation message within
minutes (took about 30 seconds for me), unless you are bogged down
deep within some slow internet provider.  Apparently, the Major
also serves a number of other lists that people have been asking
about.  You can, of course, do the same for them.

rgds,
and peace,
rd/nigel

>From: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>Subject: Majordomo results
>>>> lists

Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net serves the following lists:

  rro                  Range Rover (& 90"/110"/Disco) Owners
                  
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  land-rover-owner     (Series) Land Rover Owners (world-wide, real-time)
     
                        ^^^^^^
  lro-digest           LRO mail in Digest form (<- START HERE !)
              
  lro-digest-ltd       LRO Digest Limited (split into pieces)
                 

  au-lro               Austrailia & New Zealand LRO (real-time)
               
  eu-lro               European LROs (real-time)
                              
  za-lro               South African LROs (real-time)
                         

  uk-lro               UK & IE LROs (real-time)
                               
  uk-lro-digest        UK & IE LROs Daily Digest
                              

  uk-arc               Association of Rover Clubs (UK)
                        
  uk-arc-nr            Attending the next ARC National Rallye
                 

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: MajorCorrection
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 15:03:58 EST

AHHHHHHH!  Major correction here (no pun intended)....

to UNsubscribe from this list, send a message to the Major at:

Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

In the *first line* of your message (NOT the Subject line), place the
command:

unsubscribe land-rover-owner       (to unsubscribe from the lro list)

(NOT "unsubscribe lro", as I had inadvertantly placed in the last
message.)

No disinformation campain here!

not intended, anyway,
rd/nigel

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 19:36:44 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: dry-ice a/c

Chris wrote ...<snip> dry ice and place it on the tray in front of the
windscreen vents.  As air passes over the ice, it would cool, giving you
cheap AC on really hot days.   Of coarse you would have to be moving to get
any affect.  You'll probally also want to make some sort of tray holder to
protect the dash tray...  Any reason something like this won't 
work?.....<snip>.

Lets see, dry ice = frozen CO2, so besides possible uncontrollable yawning, 
and matches not staying alight. Should work! Would tend to squeal though (try 
pushing a coin into dry ice with a screwdriver and you'll hear what I mean.

Matthew
ZA

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 19:25:32 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: wheel winch

Peter asked me..<snip>.. What is a wheel-mounted capstan?...<snip>

Oho! Now this is serious series stuff!!!!

A wheel mounted capstan, or "hub capstan winch" has got to be the most 
agreeable mechanism for DIY, self reliant LRO's ever. It is a sort of slotted 
collar on the hub of two wheels on the same axle. You attach cable or rope one 
end on each hub, and obviously around some anchor, and then just drive out. 
The wheels will drive up the rope like a magic trick.

Warn winch my leather ass!

Matthew S-III (work in progress)
		  82 Rangie, (panels off, painting this week)
ZA

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:35:05 -0500 (EST)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: New Parts House in US> 

Howdy All,

I just wanted everyone to know, I will be acting as the internet gateway 
to Seminole Land Rovers in Seminole Florida.  The Proprieter, Jim 
Cartier, has been working on my truck for many months now and is a 
terrific individual to work with.  That is why I am happy to announce 
that he has become the US Distributor for County Motor Vehicle Parts U.K.

Series - Range Rover - Defender - Discovery

County is a quality replacement and O.E. Supplier to the automotive trade 
in England and worldwide.  For over 30 years they have provided quality 
parts at affordable prices, and are now available in the U.S.  A Basic 
Price sheet is available and a catalog is in the works.  (Example 
pricing:  2.25 Petrol Pistons [Standard to .060], including ring, clips and 
pin - $29.95 each!)

For more information, please contact Jim or Tim at Seminole Rovers:
(813) 580.6842 voice
(813) 545.0433 fax
or e-mail through me:
Steve Swiger
Florida Rover Canvas
swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu

Thanks for your time... I am not an employee of Seminole Rovers, just an 
enthusiastic volunteer helping get them off the ground nationwide!  I 
can't say enough for the quality of the work and helpful advice Jim has 
given me over the past 10 months.  

Steve (It'll be done the middle of March!) Swiger
Florida Rover Canvas
Sec. Florida Land Rover Owners Association.

	_________________________________
	|_______|_______|_______|_______|	"Moose"
	|   ____________    |	   |	\\	'73 III 88"
	|  /  	  |	\   |  	   |	 \\      ________
     	|  |	  |	|   |	   |	  \\    |        |
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       		           Florida Rover Canvas
	Steve Swiger   
	swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu
	(813) 874-5391
	(813) 253-0905 (Work)

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 15:43:56 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)

lists

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 12:44:37 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: dry-ice a/c

You wrote: 

>Chris wrote ...<snip> dry ice and place it on the tray in front of the
>windscreen vents.  As air passes over the ice, it would cool, giving you
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>pushing a coin into dry ice with a screwdriver and you'll hear what I mean.
>Matthew
>ZA
Well, a piece of advice.  Dry ice is used in the environmental field to purge 
gasoline tanks of oxygen (more accurately to decrease the oxygen levels to below 
the explosive limit).  The decreased levels are well below those required to 
sustain life (even of older series owners :o  :) ).  I hope you're not seriously 
considering use dry ice.  The combination of blue skin and the green ammeter light 
would be most disturbing at night.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 15:45:44 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)

subscribe rro

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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 10:45:26 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: Chaff

LRO CONTENT
------------------------
If I had known how much petty bickering / namecalling /
bandwidth_wasting_chatter / general_lack_of_respect went on in LRO, I would
have bought a  LANDCRUISER instead of my disco! :-) (before the flames melt
my monitor, notice the smiley)

RRO CONTENT
-----------------------
Actually, I have owned CJ's, FJ's,  Montero's, Bronco's (old style) in the
past and I can truthfully say the Disco V8i has the most perfect blend of
comfort, power,on-road handling, off-road ability, cargo carrying capability
of them all! Reliability and repair cost are the only issues that still
scare me about my disco!

paul.orland@chs.com

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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 22:18:33 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Mutter, mutter

Shhhhhh

Isn't it quiet?

Has everybody resigned this list, or have I somehow dissapeared into the 
wilderness?

What happened to all the cheerful conversation?

I think someone made an error of judgement..........

-- 
David Olley  -  Definitely a Series (but I would prefer a RR)
........................................................................Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
........................................................................

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 17:18:33 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: won't start (Series stuff)

When an engine starts and then stalls, it usually is a problem with the 
gas in the carb being used up and no more gas is available for a 
restart.  I would check the fuel pump to be sure it has not become 
clogged or the diaphram doesn't have a pin hole.  You can take the fuel 
line off and see if you pump a good flow of gas when you crank the 
engine.  A vacuum gauge that also can be use to check fuel pumps is the 
best way to go.  Try putting some gas directly into the carb and see if 
it keeps running.  This isolates the problem.  I had a carb that syphoned 
the gas out while sitting and then it wouldn't start.  I replaced the 
fuel pump with an electric and no more problems.  You just let the pump 
run for 10 seconds till it stops clicking indicating the carb is full and 
away she goes.  Dave VE4PN

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Instructions Needed
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 17:59:57 EST

> How does one 'unsubscribe' from the LRO Digest and subscribe the Range 
> Rover owner portion of the list? 

This is a partial repost of Bill C.'s original message (in which he
announced the split).  To subscribe or unsubscribe to any of the
following lists, send a message to the Major......at:

Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

In the *first line* of your message (NOT the Subject line), place the
command:

subscribe rro                      (to subscribe to the rro list), or
unsubscribe land-rover-owner       (to unsubscribe from the lro list)

and that's it.  You should receive a confirmation message within
minutes (took about 30 seconds for me), unless you are bogged down
deep within some slow internet provider.  Apparently, the Major
also serves a number of other lists that people have been asking
about (see below).  You can, of course, do the same for them.

rgds,
and peace,
rd/nigel

>From: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>Subject: Majordomo results
>>>> lists

Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net serves the following lists:

  rro                  Range Rover (& 90"/110"/Disco) Owners

				      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  land-rover-owner     (Series) Land Rover Owners (world-wide, real-time)
								^^^^^^
  lro-digest           LRO mail in Digest form (<- START HERE !)

  lro-digest-ltd       LRO Digest Limited (split into pieces)

  au-lro               Austrailia & New Zealand LRO (real-time)

  eu-lro               European LROs (real-time)

  za-lro             South African LROs (real-time)

  uk-lro               UK & IE LROs (real-time)

  uk-lro-digest        UK & IE LROs Daily Digest

  uk-arc               Association of Rover Clubs (UK)
										  uk-arc-nr            Attending the next ARC National Rallye 

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: dry-ice a/c
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 18:01:14 EST

> Lets see, dry ice = frozen CO2, so besides possible uncontrollable yawning, 
> and matches not staying alight. Should work! Would tend to squeal though (try 
> pushing a coin into dry ice with a screwdriver and you'll hear what I mean.

Ah, but the beer won't go flat!

rd/nige

------------------------------

Subject: Re: dry-ice a/c 
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 15:20:36 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Russel Dushin wrote:
  
> > Lets see, dry ice = frozen CO2, so besides possible uncontrollable yawning,
> > and matches not staying alight. Should work! Would tend to squeal though (t
> > pushing a coin into dry ice with a screwdriver and you'll hear what I mean.
> Ah, but the beer won't go flat!
> rd/nige

	Russ, long time no hear.   Welcome back to the list.  Is Nigel getting
more attention from movie stars than Hummers do? 

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 18:32:34 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Camel Trophy Update

The US Camel Trophy team was selected last Saturday after five greuling days 
of competition in the Andalusian Hills outside Seville, Spain.  The trials 
were particularly tough, as record winter rains had turned the hills into a 
sea of mud.

Ken Cameron, 26 from Eagle, Colorado and Fred Hoess, 29, Stanhope, New 
Jersey will have less than a month to get ready for the Trophy, which begins 
April 1 in Kalimantan, Borneo.  Cameron and Hoess narrowlly edged out Jeff 
Brandner, 31 of Chester, NJ.  Greg Oberst of Seal Beach, CA withdrew early 
in the week, as he could not bear to be parted from his newborn daughter.

Participating teams this year will include: Belgium, Canary Islands, Czech 
Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Holland, Italy, Japan, 
Morocco, Norway/Sweeden, Poland, Russia, South Africa, Switzerland, Turkey, 
the UK and the US.  The special task award will be given to the team with 
the highest empiracle score in those events, while the Team Spirit award is 
voted by the competetors.  The Camel Trophy is given to the team with the 
highest overall score.

New this year is the Land Rover Trophy, given to the team that "demonstrates 
outstanding four-wheel drive skills based on proper technical expertise and 
attention to personal and vehicle safety."  (Read: team that bashes up their 
Rover the least.)

The Camel Trophy is sponsored by Worldwide Brands, Land Rover and Coleman.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:27:10 -0500
Subject: Camel Trophy Tapes

Anybody have or know where to get camel Trophy VHS tapes showing series L-R's
doing what they do best??
 BTW...The ones advertised in LRO etc... are of a different format and are
not compatible with US vcr's 

Rgds,
Steve

------------------------------

From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:28:30 -0500
Subject: Tailgates (series related)

I have a '73 Series III and was wondering what to do about a tailgate this
summer when I take the top off.  My rear door is solid, so it has to be taken
off with the top.  I usually keep tools and plenty of spare oil in the bed,
so I don't want them sliding on out when driving around...  What do you other
Series owners do?

Chris Fisher
'73 Land Rover 88 Series III

------------------------------

Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Tapes 
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 16:48:30 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <bulk.28423.19960304162516@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you wrote:
  
> Anybody have or know where to get camel Trophy VHS tapes showing series L-R's
> doing what they do best??

	Have you contacted the various parts vendors in the US?  I've seen
Camel Trophy videos at British Pacific (I have one, but it has discos). 
I recall Rovers North advertising Camel Trophy videos.  I also think that
Atlantic British Parts also carries them, but I'm not sure.  Other parts
vendors might carry them, but I simply don't know.

>  BTW...The ones advertised in LRO etc... are of a different format and are
> not compatible with US vcr's 

	Yup.  They are in PAL and the US used NTSC (or something like that).
Converters do exist but are costly.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 19:54:49 -0500 (EST)
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: Re: Tailgates (series related)

> I usually keep tools and plenty of spare oil in the bed,
>so I don't want them sliding on out when driving around...  What do you other
>Series owners do?

I for one have a genuine Land-Rover issue tailgate.  Try it, you'll like it.

RoverOn!

JAB

==                                                                      ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
                          ==================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)
==                                                                      ==

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From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 21:01:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Mutter, mutter

On Mon, 04 Mar 1996, David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> 
wrote:
>Isn't it quiet?
>Has everybody resigned this list, or have I somehow dissapeared into the 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>wilderness?
>What happened to all the cheerful conversation?

I'm glad someone else was wondering about that. Over the week-end I 
subscribed to the AU, ZA and EU lists to see if they were all hiding out 
somewhere else, but no. With the low volume of traffic on all but one of 
the *geographic* lists (at least until recently) I didn't like the 
principal of that split. Having signed on only in December, perhaps I 
missed a lot of international squabbling? I'd be surprised. Now we have 
this split on something I'm not quite sure of. Even at its peak the traffic 
was quite manageable, and as many have pointed out, how many times can you 
click on delete in a second, and wipe out a whole thread on cupholders if 
you don't want to know? (I confess I read almost all of them for the 
humour).

I have nothing but admiration for the people who give their time to 
maintaining the lists, for the amount of knowledge out there and the 
willingness of people to share it with others. It would have been nice to 
see this commitment used to better advantage in providing some more 
constructive direction.  Certainly a list can grow and spin off 
specialities, like the recent chat about a models list, or need to be 
sub-divided for everyone's convenience, but these recent developments just 
seemed divisive. 
I'd like to see a common international Land-Rover list again, and I would 
hope that I'm not alone. When my copy of LROI arrives in the mail, I don't 
mind that there is a cover story of a model I don't have in a country I 
haven't been to. I'll read the whole issue anyway.
Allan 
little.spots.on.the.map.where.they're.all.great.vehicles-lro@Land-rover.Tea
m.Net
 

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From: MHKINGER@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:07:35 -0500
Subject: Carb Cleaner

Does anyone know of a cleaning agent for cleaning the carburetor exterior and
interior to make them look new?

Mike

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 15:58:42 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: diesel vs petrol

>For a couple of weeks things escalated to a quite heated debate
That wasnt heated.Just enjoyably warm.:-)

>.
>Notice how careful I am being not to appear on either side of the
>fence.
Ah! The reason politicians have slits in their bums,the better to
sit on fences.

>What about bringing LPG gas conversions into the debate this time.
>ONLY JOKING!!!!
Now you come to mention it.....:-)
We did once have a guy who worked here,who ran a 2.6 petrol Safari.
He intended to do this,but for the life of me I cant remember whether
he ever succeeded.It *was* a good many years ago.Nice motor though.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 21:42:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Tapes

Steve,

> Anybody have or know where to get camel Trophy VHS tapes showing series L-R's
> doing what they do best??
>  BTW...The ones advertised in LRO etc... are of a different format and are
> not compatible with US vcr's 

    I have gotten several of them from Rovers North.  But those are the
    newer ones, which show Discos and D110 support vehicles and so forth,
    and as such we can't discuss those here (heh heh heh).

    I know Mark Letorney personally has copies of some of the older
    ones, but not for sale.  He was showing them at the RN
    get-togethers, back when they still had those.

    Couldn't you just buy the PAL format ones from the UK and have them
    converted to NTSC here?  It's not all that expensive.

    Duncan

------------------------------

From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:11:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Syn90 and synATF

In a message dated 96-03-04 11:21:40 EST, you write:

> they are all in agreement that the
>synlubes are better at everything (including leaking...) 

Finallly!  I've had dino oil, and now syn lube in my Defender for a bunch of
miles, and maybe it will finally start leaking.  I've beeen wondering if I
actually own a LR or not, I haven't seen any leaks.  I'm hoping the synthetic
lubes will solve my problem.
John. D90.

PS; does anyone know when ATF was started to be used in manual
 transmissions?  This really surprised me as sthe last transmissions Ive done
were V8 chevys and V8 amc/amx 4 speeds, and of course we used 90 wt inthose.
 When I read that the newers  use type F auto trans fluid I was shocked.  But
I guess with tighter machining tolerances, you need a finer oil?  

What do the Series use?  I assume 90 wt?

------------------------------

From: Treski@aol.com
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:00:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Tapes

British Pacific  has  the   '88  Trophy    with   110 diesels.  the   video
is an hour long and  costs  about  20 bucks.   

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Date: 04 Mar 96 20:09:11 EST
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Majorette Models.

Just returned fronm a trip to Europe, found a couple of new ( to me ) Majorette
models in a  French Hypermarche , the series 3010 Range Rover 4 door  in a green
/ blue colour , it has the  rear side window hole and some of the interior
mouldings from the Sonic alarm models .and a Super Construction serie 4510 set
of a dump truck and a 90, the 90 is yellow with the logo FK enterprise on the
door and a red light bar on the roof.
Regards   Bill Leacock.

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 20:20:33 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Syn90 and synATF

You wrote: 
>What do the Series use?  I assume 90 wt?

Correct.  I'm trying synthetic 90wt in the transmission to see how it 
performs.  It'll be interesting to compare to the D90.

Cheers,

Jeremy

'65 109SW
'94 D90

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From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:31:28 -0500
Subject: Re: 90 and ATF & gaiters

On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, PurnellJE@aol.com wrote:

>Finallly!  I've had dino oil, and now syn lube in my Defender for a bunch of
>miles, and maybe it will finally start leaking.  I've beeen wondering if I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
> When I read that the newers  use type F auto trans fluid I was shocked.  But
>I guess with tighter machining tolerances, you need a finer oil?  
>During the 90/110 development, the LT85 and LT95 gearboxes plus transfer boxes 
in petrols used 15W/40-50 or thereabouts. The LT77 and LT77S in diesels up to 
200Tdi used ATF type G, and the R380 in the 300Tdi (and NAS90) uses type F, spec 
M2C-33. The LT230-type transfer boxes all use EP90, but according to the 
workshop manual can also use 15W40-50 range. I understood that the fine 
distinctions in the ATF types had to do with compatibility with the metals that 
are used. I don't have a fixation on oils - I just have a problem that none of 
the recommended types or grades are available on the island and I need to know 
what to shop for when I am travelling.  

I would appreciate some guidance on fitting gaiters. The LR kit that I have 
includes two semi-circular brackets to hold the outward end of the gaiter. Each 
bracket has a number of holes, but no combination of positions matches the 
existing bolts that hold the plate over the swivel seal. I assumed that these 
bolts would double as gaiter-bracket holders but I guess I was wrong. 
Thanks
Allan

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 23:54:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: 90 and ATF & gaiters

Allan,

> I would appreciate some guidance on fitting gaiters. The LR kit that I have 
> includes two semi-circular brackets to hold the outward end of the gaiter. Each 
> bracket has a number of holes, but no combination of positions matches the 
> existing bolts that hold the plate over the swivel seal. I assumed that these 
> bolts would double as gaiter-bracket holders but I guess I was wrong. 

    Is it a Series-vs-Defender thing?  (like, you have a D90 and teh
    gaiters are for a Series vehicle, or vice versa)?  I have gaiters on
    my SII and they went on just fine (though they're not Genuine
    Parts.)

    Duncan

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:31:59 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: 109 loose transfer bearing?

Jens sez..

>the bearing in the transfer box is loose. He told me that I could adjust it by 
>removing some of the shims between the xfer box and the speedometer cable 
>housing. I checked with my service manual and it looks like it is possible
to do 
-

Yup... that will adjust the play to some extent. You may want to open up the
top of the box and visually check the bearing before starting. If you go
through with the adjustment, you'll need to drain the oil from the box
first. Look for evidence of the bearing disintegrating. I had one do that
(on my SerIII) and had to rebuild the box. Also, if you have that much play,
you might want to consider replacing the rear seal at the same time.

>I also noticed some nasty clunks when I am motor braking in 2nd gear. Could
this 
>be related to the loose bearing? It only happens in 2nd. I have recently
renewed 
>all gear wheels on the main axle in the main gearbox and it's smooth as silk 
-

Well... 2nd gear in the main box shouldn't be directly effected by a loose
output shaft in the transfer case. Seems like the main box would be noisy in
all gears if the transfer box could cause a noise. 

Cheers
Mike

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:31:57 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Underpants

Steve's reply...

>Actually it was a Superman joke.
>I have had to give up the 90wt on medical advice.

-

Humor... oh.... LOOK! Up in the sky! It's a bird, it's a plane, it's...

STEVE REDDOCK.

More powerful than a Koenig winch
Faster than a speeding Ser I
Able to leap to the top of his bonnet in a single bound

Heh,heh,heh....

Cheers
Mike

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:32:10 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Tailgates (series related)

Chris Fisher wants to go topless...

>I have a '73 Series III and was wondering what to do about a tailgate this
>summer when I take the top off.
-

Duhh... get a tailgate??

OK, OK... Assuming you have a Rover rear crossmember, if you were to get a
real tailgate, you would also need the two latch-pins to secure it. You
should also get the chains to keep it from dropping down on the tow hitch.
You have to knock the rivits out of the two triangular shaped trim pieces on
either side of the door and replace those pieces with the pieces with the
latch pins. You will also need to remove the striker plate for the door
latch which is mounted on the left side of the door frame. (You need to have
a real crossmember since the hinge points for the tailgate are part of it)

Now, if you are planning to put on a canvas top, the tailgate makes sense.
Expensive,. but it all works. However, if you are not planning on running
under canvas, just get a piece of plywood and rig it up so it doesn't fall
out. Paint a big Union Jack on it and Voila!, instant tailgate.

Cheers
Mike

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 00:32:08 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: koenig winches...

Dixon asks...

>	Anyone have a general value on what the front crank version of a 
>	Koenig winch would be worth?  All there, works fine...
-

Last I heard, maybe $400 to $500 US for une in good shape with cable.

Cheers
Mike

------------------------------

From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 01:44:23 -0500
Subject: Re:  gaiters

>    Is it a Series-vs-Defender thing?  (like, you have a D90 and teh
>    gaiters are for a Series vehicle, or vice versa)?  I have gaiters on
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>    Duncan
>Not at all, but I guessed the principle would be the same, and that the series 
people would be the most likely to have fitted them themselves. So, in 
principle, how the hell do they go on? Do the metal brackets for the outer end 
of the gaiter indeed use the small bolts on the seal cover plate? If so then 
I'll have to assume I missed the magic position and go and try again. Each pair 
of (LR parts) brackets has a total of 10 holes, so they are obviously designed 
to fit a variety of configurations, and I have to assume that the people who 
sent the parts got the model right. 
I really want to postpone the day of the swivel seal replacement.
Regards
Allan

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 21:44:34 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: 90 and ATF & gaiters

At 11:54 PM 3/4/96 -0500, Duncan Brown <DB@cho004.cho.ge.com> writes to Allen:
:: I would appreciate some guidance on fitting gaiters. The LR kit that I have 
:: includes two semi-circular brackets to hold the outward end of the gaiter.
:: Each bracket has a number of holes, but no combination of positions matches
:: the existing bolts that hold the plate over the swivel seal. I assumed that
:: these bolts would double as gaiter-bracket holders but I guess I was wrong. 
:    Is it a Series-vs-Defender thing?  (like, you have a D90 and teh
:    gaiters are for a Series vehicle, or vice versa)?  I have gaiters on
:    my SII and they went on just fine (though they're not Genuine
:    Parts.)

 See, life is e-a-s-y ...obviously it's a Defender, since all the Series
 have been banished to the RRO list.  Or is it the other way around??

 Regards,

-Michael 'Lexdysia' Carradine

                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 22:08:53 -0800
Subject: Re: Carb Cleaner

On Mon, 4 Mar 1996, MHKINGER@aol.com wrote:
>Does anyone know of a cleaning agent for cleaning the carburetor exterior and
>interior to make them look new?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]

>Does anyone know of a cleaning agent for cleaning the carburetor exterior and
>interior to make them look new?
Last time I did a carb rebuild (at a friend's house) he pulled out a can of 
carburettor cleaner from NAPA auto stores.  It comes in a gallon can and really 
made the carb look like new.  Given the amount of cleaning done, i wouldn't 
recommend using it unless the carp was disassembled.  It was an old can so i 
don't know if its still available with new EPA regs.

Regards,
Eric

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 22:21:13 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Carb Cleaner

At 10:08 PM 3/4/96 -0800, you wrote:
:Last time I did a carb rebuild (at a friend's house) he pulled out a can
:of carburettor cleaner from NAPA auto stores.  It comes in a gallon can
:and really made the carb look like new.  Given the amount of cleaning
:done, i wouldn't recommend using it unless the carp was disassembled.  It
:was an old can so i don't know if its still available with new EPA regs.

 In these modern times they have spray cans of carb cleaner, costs about
 $2.50 or so.  You spray it onb the outside when cold, and inside the
 throat when the engine is running....  even here in California.

 Cheers,
                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: "Hugh Grierson" <Hugh_Grierson@trimble.co.nz>
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 19:15:00 +1300
Subject: Re: Tailgates (series related)

> What do you other
> Series owners do?

I picked up a $20 tailgate from a wrecker.
Parts availability in your area may vary...
-- 
Hugh Grierson   hugh_grierson@trimble.co.nz  

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:53:04 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Goodbye 

At 15:25 01.03.96 -0500, Dixon Kenner wrote:
  
	Pat Buchanan?  That right wing Yankee pin-head who's politics fit
	right in with Flush Limbaugh?  Check out his web site:

		http://www.buchanan96.org

	If anything Series owners are left-wing types who vote for Gus Hall.

===========================

And judging by the diatribes between Series and Plush on the list of late,
I'd say the extremes analogy was spot on.

Peace!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California

------------------------------

From: azw@aber.ac.uk
Subject: Diesel overkill my ...
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:02:02 UNDEFINED

>I'd hate to ride on a long trip in the US with you if you think that a
>Rover's top speed was designed to be safely used at only about 50 mph. In
>the US today 50 mph on the highway is actually quite dangerous. My 2.25

Cant let this one past.......I drive a n/a 2.5 deisel. Whikle I've had it to 
85 on the Avon Xplies, the best it will do on Wranglers is 65. So I cruise it 
at 50. It does this up the snake pass with a ton of earth in the back, and 
happily overtakes lorries while doing it.

50 too slow to be safe? Hahaha. In the UK, ytou have two safe strategies on 
motorways (freeways). 1) Go slightly faster than the rest of the traffic so 
you are in control of all the mayhem. But since this now mneas doing 100+mph 
it is not rellay an option for ANY Landrover and makes your licence temporary. 
Or 2) cruise effortlessly along in the inside lane at 50 and let it all wash 
past you. This is far SAFER than getting mixed up in the middle/outer lane 
melee.

I have visited the US a few times and seen rush hours in LA and Boston. They 
are a JOKE compared to the suburban warfare at home. Travelling at any speed 
on US freeways is far safer due to the lower traffic densities, overtaking on 
both sides, and much more polite and less psychopathically pushy driving of 
Americans compared to Europeans. I would feel far happier bumbling along a US 
freeway at 50 than a UK motorway. And bumbling along at 50 is about trhee 
safesrt option lefton UK motorways. Distance in a LR desiel. Hell, I'd happily 
drive one all round the US. (Anyone want to give me a deisel to do it in?)

>petrol is quite safe in stopping power etc at 65 mph, and people that I
>know have V8 Rovers that the running gear, axles etc. are quite similar to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.
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From: azw@aber.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Diesels and Imports
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:08:14 UNDEFINED

>>Yup,. The fuel consumption being hjalf that of the petrol is what makes em 
>>sell in the UK. In the US , where fuel is free with breakfast cereal, I cant 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>larger distances than you do.  I regularly put 500-600 miles A WEEK on my V8.  
>Although not as expensive as in England, its certianly not free!

Running costs in the US are trivial. I was very pissed off to find, when I 
visited my brother in Ventura and later SLC, that he can run his 2.5 litre 
Toyota pickup for less money than it cost me to run a 125cc motorcycle in the 
UK. Why did I run the little motorcycle? Cos it's about 1/5 the running costs 
of the car in teh UK.........

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk
Subject: hand cranking winch trick
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:14:16 UNDEFINED

>I do think that wheel mounted capstans are a great idea.

So do I. But I havent a clue where to get any :(

Anyone tried using reversed brake drums from the scrappie?

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk
Subject: Re: hand cranking winch trick
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 09:17:02 UNDEFINED

>Winches in general, whether hand-operated, capstan or electric, are fine if 
>there is a secure anchor for the cable. In some situations (no other vehicle 
>close by, no tree, no boulder...) you would need a ground anchor, and very 
>few people I know cart those around.

Take a few sacks. Fill em with earth dug from a hole. Dumpe the full sacks in 
teh hole. Cover em up with lots of earth and jump to pack the earth. Makes a 
good ersatz ground anchor.

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From: "Terje Krogdahl" <terje@multix.no>
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:04:17 +0100
Subject: 2.25 Engine trouble

I've just completed a cylinderhead & valve replacement on my 5 main
bearing 2.25 petrol. I've also replaced the distrubutor.

The problem is that I need to advance the timing to about 20 degrees
BTDC in order to make it run. Also, as the engine warms up, it runs worse
and worse, sputtering and producing large puffs of black smoke. It also
needs a lot of throttle to run at all.

The valves are properly adjusted, the points gap is ok, the dwell angle
is just above 50 degrees, so everything looks OK. Except that it runs
very poorly!

I'm fresh out of ideas, folks!

Terje K.
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: To steam or not to steam (clean)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 03:46:05 -0600 (CST)

I've got to steam clean my vehicle before I'm allowed to bring
it into the US.

I've found a place that will do the chassis for about 25 GBP (to get
all that "nasty" English mud & grass from out of the crevices.) And I
figure I'll waxoyl it when this is done.

But what about the engine?  Should I have that steam cleaned?  It's
all covered with a layer of oily muck, but if I have it removed, might
that cause a bunch of leaks to spring up???  I figure all that muck
is sealing the engine and keeping it from leaking like a sieve.  (It's
already leaking, but not it's not coming down in a stream of fluid
which is what I'm afraid will happend if I have the engine steam
cleaned.)

Does the Dept of Agriculture only mean the chassis must be steam
cleaned, or is it the engine too?

Thanks.

Vel
'66 SWB SW
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Email:  nataraja@cig.mot.com             Mobile: +49-171-854-6670
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 10:02:05 +0000
From: Arron <asd1@ukc.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Who says LR's leak???

Hate so say this but the only place by landy leaks is in the 
footwells, through the holes, where the bolts should hold on the mud 
guards ( inner wings ).  

	Some landys are dry.

Arron
SIII 109

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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 10:28:15 +0000
From: Arron <asd1@ukc.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Tailgates (series related)

I just go some rope and made a net.  Using the same method as 
fishing nets ( all be it with larger holes ).  The bottom of the net goes 
oin a steel rod that passes through the hinges for the tail gate, and the 
top ties down through the bolt holes where the hard top back panels are 
fixed.

	If you can get to a ship outfitters they have all the rope you 
need I used 5mm dia, in every colour from black to very bright 
multi-coloured stuff, they can even show you how to tie the knot.

Arron
asd1@ukc.ac.uk

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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 10:35:46 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Tailgates (series related)

ChrisF6724@aol.com wrote:
> I have a '73 Series III and was wondering what to do about a tailgate 
> this summer when I take the top off.

Well Chris, I have a tailgate as part of my soft top kit, and it is a 
simple matter to fit that after removing the rear door. The lower hinges 
should be fitted to your chassis, and all that may be needed to be 
fitted to the rear body are the two toggles, which can be bought from 
most agricultural equipment suppliers, and two chain attachment points 
to hold the tailgate when lowered.

Tailgates should be easy to come by second hand.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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From: azw@aber.ac.uk
Subject: Safari door for tailgate swap?
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:46:45 UNDEFINED

>I have a tailgate and guillotine that I am trying to replace
>with a safari door.

I'd rather do it the other way, when the door eventually dies. Does anyone 
know whetehr the Series Gguilllotine fits the 90 rear hole? Since you cant get 
the top half for 90s :( (Maybe the American model guillotine fits?)

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Subject: Bull Bars in France
From: David.Tinley@bbc.co.uk (Dave Tinley)
Date: 05 Mar 96 11:17:04 EST

I'm planning a vacation to France, apparently drivers of 4x4's with bull 
bars (or any bars) are being ordered by police to remove them before 
travelling on through France.  Can anybody confirm this - is Belgium 
same??

RR 2.5TD 1991 Vogue.
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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 06:30:03 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Chassis painting (NOTE LR content!!)

I had the misfortune to be able to have a good look inside my chassis
last night.
  
Inside looked remarkably sound. There was a good layer of mud every
where, but no rust that I could see.
  
Do the treat the inside somehow?
  
Cheers, Steve
  
Steve Reddock, Xyratex       | Just as he thought he had
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450     | clinched the interview he was
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)           | visited by the ghost of Usenet
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | Postings Past.

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