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msg | Sender | lines | Subject |
1 | azw@aber.ac.uk | 15 | Mercedes Question-Reply G-wagen info |
2 | azw@aber.ac.uk | 12 | Re: Locking hubs in the LRO FAQ...Defender related |
3 | Roy Wassili [wassili@AMC | 29 | Re: Flimsy Discos |
4 | "Steve Reddock" [steve_r | 23 | I'm jumping the pond |
5 | benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/ | 22 | Series: Thanks for the enlightment |
6 | azw@aber.ac.uk | 15 | D90 manual |
7 | azw@aber.ac.uk | 10 | Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift |
8 | ericz@cloud9.net | 18 | Re: Flimsy Discos |
9 | ericz@cloud9.net | 33 | Re: Diesels and Imports |
10 | "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE | 29 | JERRY CANS (not really LR related) |
11 | "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE | 36 | Re: 2.5l VM Turbo Diesel |
12 | ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi | 27 | Diesels |
13 | Sanjay Prasad [Prasad@ba | 12 | RR: County |
14 | "John C. White, III" [jc | 20 | Re: Power steering leak(or ooze) on a Disco |
15 | "John C. White, III" [jc | 27 | Re: Vanna of my dreams! |
16 | Hugo Madden [madhugo@bes | 17 | [not specified] |
17 | "John C. White, III" [jc | 19 | Re: Diesel overkill my ... |
18 | Russell Burns [burns@cis | 15 | Re: Diesels |
19 | Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D | 35 | Vacuum Advance |
20 | "John C. White, III" [jc | 10 | Re: Splitting the List. |
21 | Patty Burke [PBURKE@amer | 24 | Dateline trashing of Disco? |
22 | Alan Richer [Alan_Richer | 23 | Odd acceleration quirk - opinions? |
23 | debrown@srp.gov | 62 | Jerry cans leaking - Very LR-ish. |
24 | Gerald Tan [gtan@bbchw.d | 12 | Vibration? |
25 | Mark Ritter [70472.1130@ | 20 | Isuzu Diesels |
26 | David.Tinley@bbc.co.uk ( | 16 | [not specified] |
27 | "Andrew A. Dallas" [adal | 26 | [not specified] |
28 | debrown@srp.gov | 28 | Relating to Doug Scott |
29 | Tebbin Salvesen [tsalves | 14 | Re: Dateline trashing of Disco? |
30 | Tebbin Salvesen [tsalves | 16 | Re: RR: County |
31 | "Ron Franklin" [oldhaven | 20 | Re: Snubbed by a Plushmobile |
32 | matts@cacilj.caciasl.com | 9 | tire step |
33 | Mark.Kraieski@mailport.d | 18 | Update: BMW Discovery |
34 | crash@merl.com | 13 | Re: Manuals, floor mats for sale... |
35 | M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mik | 51 | Re: Diesels |
36 | John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv | 25 | Re: CAR and DRIVER article on 87 RR -Reply |
37 | "barnett childress" [bar | 49 | re::Disco, SUV safety. |
38 | John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv | 23 | Re: Borg Warner Transfer Box RR '89 Model Year onwards |
39 | Christopher Boese [cboes | 23 | Re: CAR and DRIVER article on 87 RR -Reply |
40 | m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fu | 40 | Waving |
41 | "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE | 44 | re::Disco, SUV safety. |
42 | David Olley at New Conce | 34 | Re: Borg Warner Transfer Box RR '89 Model Year onwards |
43 | "John B. Friedman" [joha | 18 | Re: :Disco, SUV safety and Insurance costs |
44 | amaravil@copper.ucs.indi | 32 | Re: Dateline trashing of Disco? |
45 | Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D | 20 | Diesels vs Petrol |
46 | lopezba@atnet.at | 20 | Re: Hand crank instead of winch |
47 | lopezba@atnet.at | 19 | Re: Welding Birmabright |
48 | lopezba@atnet.at | 54 | Re: Pinzgauer |
49 | "DAVE MCKAIN" [MCKAIN@ce | 20 | Re: Vacuum Advance |
50 | "Hugh Grierson" [Hugh_Gr | 15 | Re: D90 manual |
51 | Kathryn Krages [krages@o | 20 | Insurance Question re 57 Series I |
52 | Simon Barclay [sbar@jna. | 56 | RE: Dateline trashing of Disco? |
53 | jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben | 16 | put D's with Series!!! |
54 | IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILL | 22 | Roadwheels needed |
55 | "Robert Watson (CNA)" [a | 38 | RE: Dateline trashing of Disco? |
56 | TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co | 19 | Re: put D's with Series!!! |
57 | [RALPH@smuggits.mhs.comp | 18 | Frozen Bolts. |
58 | "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE | 24 | Re: Roadwheels needed |
59 | "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE | 22 | Re: Frozen Bolts. |
60 | Gerald Tan [gtan@bbchw.d | 19 | Re: Re: Borg Warner Transfer Box RR '89 Model Year onwards |
61 | PurnellJE@aol.com | 19 | Re: Snubbed by a Plushmobile |
62 | PurnellJE@aol.com | 21 | Re: Hand crank instead of winch |
63 | PurnellJE@aol.com | 11 | Re: put D's with Series!!! |
64 | PurnellJE@aol.com | 18 | Re: CAR and DRIVER article on 87 RR -Reply |
65 | "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa | 23 | Re: Roadwheels needed |
66 | Daryl Webb [dwebb@waite. | 17 | Re:List splitting garbage |
67 | William Owen [IB011CA@sm | 20 | Re: Dateline trashing of Disco? -Reply |
68 | "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa | 19 | List splitting garbage |
69 | ericz@cloud9.net | 26 | Re: put D's with Series!!! |
70 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 10 | Re: Hand crank instead of winch |
71 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 22 | Re: Roadwheels needed |
72 | PDoncaster@aol.com | 28 | Series Insurance |
73 | TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co | 78 | driving out the plushies |
74 | David Olley at New Conce | 27 | Re: Borg Warner Transfer Box RR '89 Model Year onwards |
75 | smitha@mail.CandW.lc | 27 | Re: put D's with Series!!! |
76 | smitha@mail.CandW.lc | 41 | Joy riders crash-test 90 |
77 | SACME@aol.com | 53 | Re: Snubbed by a Plushmobile |
78 | Mark.Kraieski@mailport.d | 36 | RE: Dateline trashing of Disco? |
79 | amaravil@copper.ucs.indi | 12 | Re:List splitting |
80 | TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co | 18 | Re: driving out the plushies-oopps |
81 | Daryl Webb [dwebb@waite. | 22 | Re: space shuttle tiles |
82 | Daryl Webb [dwebb@waite. | 21 | Re: driving out the plushies-oopps |
83 | smitha@mail.CandW.lc | 39 | Re: driving out the plushies |
84 | John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv | 60 | Re: List split, Boneshakers, Plushmobiles |
85 | John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv | 22 | Re: Snubbed by a Plushmobile |
86 | "Robert Watson (CNA)" [a | 26 | RE: driving out the plushies (or snubbed by a series) |
87 | "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove | 33 | RE: Roadwheels needed |
88 | IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILL | 16 | Re: Joy riders crash-test 90 |
89 | TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co | 14 | Re: List split, Boneshakers, Plushmobiles |
90 | spatzek@alaska.net | 13 | Re: tire step |
91 | jpappa01@interserv.com | 40 | Re: What's the point? |
92 | David Scott Mary Ann [bi | 10 | Europarts-gene |
93 | michelbe@login.net (Mich | 26 | Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
94 | William Terry [wterry@sa | 29 | Lists |
95 | John Antram [rewt@sover. | 49 | Waving, Series VS New Rovers and other recent things. |
96 | ASFCO@aol.com | 9 | Re: :Disco, SUV safety and Insurance costs |
97 | Hugo Madden [madhugo@bes | 22 | [not specified] |
98 | Hugo Madden [madhugo@bes | 14 | [not specified] |
99 | Hugo Madden [madhugo@bes | 34 | [not specified] |
100 | "John C. White, III" [jc | 28 | Re: Lists |
101 | landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi | 16 | Re: driving out the plushies-oopps |
102 | Arron [asd1@ukc.ac.uk> | 15 | Re: space shuttle tiles |
103 | Arron [asd1@ukc.ac.uk> | 26 | Re: Lists |
104 | Arron [asd1@ukc.ac.uk> | 9 | Re: Lists |
105 | Alan Richer [Alan_Richer | 10 | jgoldman, are you out there? |
106 | "barnett childress" [bar | 7 | re:Re: driving out the plushies-oopps |
From: azw@aber.ac.uk Subject: Mercedes Question-Reply G-wagen info Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:48:25 UNDEFINED >exclusive US dealer is in N.M. and new ones cost $127,000. Used are >considerable cheaper with early 80's starting at around $10,000. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >suspension. 10.5 inches on wheel travel at all four wheels! rated to >cross water of 24 inches with no problem. Mercedes diesel available. Many years ago, 4 Wheel Poser did a cmpaprative offroad test of G Wagen, 90, Tonka Hi-Lux Pickup and others I forget. The G wagen came outt best on snowy roads but worst on everything else, despitet htre allround diffflocks!!!! ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: azw@aber.ac.uk Subject: Re: Locking hubs in the LRO FAQ...Defender related Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:51:25 UNDEFINED >John writes about needing ' a bit of forward and backward movement' to get >>his D90 Defender's centre diff unlocked. My experience with the Defender >>110 is the same as it is for several other Defender owners that I know... Just run the inside wheels along the verge. The windup will spin out and the diff unlocks. ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:43:52 +0000 From: Roy Wassili <wassili@AMC.UVA.NL> Subject: Re: Flimsy Discos Ok, so now we have the discussion about who has the thoughest car? A while ago the Germans did some crash testing on a Nissan Patrol GR. The car was leathal at 50 km/h ( = 31 mph ) and car damage was relative small. The dummies were wearing safty-belts. But real people whould have died due to severe ruptures of internal organs. So "flimsy cars" seem to absorb lots of energy while crashing and the driver, and passengers, have a bigger change to survive. So IMO I'd rather be the though guy in a flimsy car, instead of a sissy in a though car ;-) IMPORTANT: No offense to anyone! LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR ____ | _____/|__|| Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl> | /(-8| \ | Almere, The Netherlands ____|_/[]__|__\___|# Avalon Blue '95 Discovery, VG-XH-66 |] __=| | __ |# "The Chameleon" [|_/ \|_____|_/ \_|] ( o ) ( o ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 07:19:23 EST From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com> Subject: I'm jumping the pond Hi all, In April I will be on holiday (oops I mean a very justifiable business trip!) for 3-6 weeks in Charlotte, N.Carolina. Is there anybody around there who would like to down some beer with me whilst I am there? I will be at the IBM manufacturing plant there & will have transport, but it will be some inferior 2wd Hertz mobile. Send me a note, and I'll get in touch when I am there. As with all business trips, it isn't confirmed until the plane has taken off! Cheers, Steve Lightweight V6 Steve Reddock, Xyratex | Just as he thought he had Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450 | clinched the interview he was IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P) | visited by the ghost of Usenet Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | Postings Past. ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 08:10:37 -0500 From: benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/Kris Benedict) Subject: Series: Thanks for the enlightment TO all: In some ways it is a shame to see the list split. On one hand, the amount of mail is getting very high (to say the least), which is good; on the other hand, it has been wonderful for me to learn so much about the heritage of LR's. I did not know anything about the series when I first joined the list. I now would like to someday go a rally and learn more first hand knowledge. I'm not an expert machanic and probably never will be, but it had been great getting advice from all. Plus, I'll just miss some of the "off" conversations! (Beer bottles and etc.) I, personally, would still like to hear about rallys and off-road experences from the other list anytime after the big split happens. Keep in touch, all. Kris- 94 white Disco. "Thumper" ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: azw@aber.ac.uk Subject: D90 manual Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:13:29 UNDEFINED I recently purchased a '95 D90 shop manual >and it looks great. However, it didn't come >with a binder and I can't seem to find one. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] >A4 size) >Any help? Just a normal A4 ring binder fits just fine -uinless you ar hellbant on using all four holes........ ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: azw@aber.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:07:51 UNDEFINED >Hi-Lift jack fits real nice behind the seats and attached to the cross brace >of the D-90. This is what I do too. But it'd be a squash if I had a 5 foot jack.......... ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 05:26:59 -0800 Subject: Re: Flimsy Discos On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Mark Perry <rxq281@freenet.mb.ca> wrote: sport-utilities and came up with >conclusion that they may *look* tough, but if you drive them into a >solid barrier, d-oh, they can bend. >What's worse, they bend enough that they can be very expensive to fix. Oh, you mean the gov't requirement for crumple zones on newer vehicles ? That's merely a subsidy for our 'failing' auto body repair industry....:) Seriously, go ahead and hit something with a Series LR, I dare you NOT to be able to drive away. Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 05:27:03 -0800 Subject: Re: Diesels and Imports On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, azw@aber.ac.uk wrote: >They arent. For two reasons. Firstly the power spread is far lesss than on a >petrol. Deisels are ideal for constant rev applications and are suboptimal for [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >hardest to acheive the set revs. Get stuck in a deisel and it as far harder to >drive out than a petrol Every diesel I've seen off-road was incredible! With feet off the pedals and ticking over at idle, the vehicle was able to crawl over virtually anything. The same segment saw V8s and 2.25ls spinning like mad >The ideal car for strickling is a petrol AUTOMATIC. Ask the Icelandic glacier >merchants. Yeah, but try push-starting it! >Yup,. The fuel consumption being hjalf that of the petrol is what makes em >sell in the UK. In the US , where fuel is free with breakfast cereal, I cant >imagine why anyone would buy anything other than the 3.5V8. >down the power in very slippery situations, cos the governer will try it's Free as breakfast cereal??? You must remember that we also drive significantly larger distances than you do. I regularly put 500-600 miles A WEEK on my V8. Although not as expensive as in England, its certianly not free! Regards, Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 08:01:54 GMT -0600 Subject: JERRY CANS (not really LR related) Eric wrote: > ask which war). It seems the English had trouble with their models, causing shortages of fuel and nearly their defeat....funny how something as seemingly insignificant as a gas can can have such an effect. > This is just heresay....so please don't flame me if I got it wrong. - Assuming the British tank commander who's books I read was right, you are absolutly correct. The British were using 5 gal tins, those shinny tall square deals made from very thin tin. They would develop leaks and rupture due to the vibration. This was before the yanks got in on the action in North Africa. I believe the US brought into action our feeble immitation of the Germans' cans. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 08:14:42 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: 2.5l VM Turbo Diesel > Does a smudged or blown turbo gasket imply a buggered or soon to be history > turbo? Maybe yes, maybe no. Depends partly on what gasket. and if it's a gasket at all or one of the oil seals which is really like a piston ring sort of. The gaskets are on the exhaust housing flange, probably no big deal if it's blown, but I'd inspect the exhaust system good as they should last as long as the turbo is installed. Unlees the mounting bolts came loose. Sometime there's a like gasket on the intake, I don't know that particular engine. Then there's the seal (the piston ring type) on the impeller shaft. It could be blown for any number of reasons, some worse than others. The only way to know for sure is to tear down the turbo. You can pretty much bet on the turbine blades needing to be cleaned up. When the seal goes, it passes oil into the compressor end and it cokes up on the blades. It could be blown because teh housing in worn beyound spec. (New housing needed) Or it could have blown because the oil drain line got blocked. If there's a bypass on the exhaust it might have failed, but usually that just results in too much or no boost. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:24:51 -0500 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith) Subject: Diesels Dear Mike Rooth, You can't tell me that you seriously think the 62 hp diesel is overkill. Do you understand the meaning of the word. A 600 hp gas turbine in a SIIA 88 is overkill. A low rpm 4 cylinder diesel is not overkill. That is the point. Yes diesels have thier plus side to be sure, mileage etc, but balanced out for road use in the USA, which is what we are talking about, it is not a well rounded vehicle. Well rounded would mean you would give it to your wife to drive to Boston, the store, or drive up a tree. Diesels excell off road, that is why I have one, but the fact still remains, and you can dispute it as long as you like, but a 62 hp engine is in no way overkill. Maybe it is because I am from the land of horsepower, where 200 horse is average and gas is 1.25 a gallon. My other truck has a 7.7L, and my other car has a 7.8L, so I guess you and I have a drastic difference in what is considered overkill. A blown V8 with Nitros oxide and 2 4bbl carbs is overkill. Putting a Cat 3208 turbo diesel in a 109 is overkill. BTW, I am a certified Caterpillar, John Deere, Luggar, and MTU diesel machanic, I used to be a Marine Engineer who rebuilt diesels with bigger blocks than entire Land Rovers, so if you think I have experience with only one diesel you are severly mistaken. Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co. ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:22:32 -0500 From: Sanjay Prasad <Prasad@ba-iplaw.com> Subject: RR: County I just saw a message referring to County style wood trim on a RR. I have a '90 RR which doesn't have the County designation on the tailgate. Does anyone know what the difference is between the County and non-County versions in the '90 RR? Sanjay Prasad Boston, Massachusetts ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 06:37:37 -0800 From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com> Subject: Re: Power steering leak(or ooze) on a Disco I'm a little new at this Land Rover ownership gig myself; however, I do have it on good authority that a bit of leakage on Land Rovers is like a wet nose on a dog. It's healthy. Gung Hay Fat Choy! John '95 Discovery (healthy) San Francisco At 17:03 26.02.97 -0600, John B. Friedman wrote: >I find a few drops of PS fluid on the ground under Disco and two >drops of same beaded on the ferrules of the oil cooler hoses. But no [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)] >where this stuff is a escaping from please let me know or post >generally. Thanks, John Friedman ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 06:37:41 -0800 From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com> Subject: Re: Vanna of my dreams! At 19:55 26.02.96 -0800, Michael Carradine wrote: Wheel of Fortune prize today: $37,000 Land Rover Discover, Grey/Grey I want! (...sorry, Rumpole) ______ Michael Carradine [__[__\== Rumpole of the Bay 510-988-0900 [________] Land-Rover 4x4 cs@crl.com ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^ '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88) _________________________________________________________________________ Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html ========================================================================== What's this? Another Series owner lusting after a plushmobile??? Uuuuuhmmmm. I'm tellin' TeriAnn on you. Gung Hay Fat Choy! John '95 Discovery (Say it loud! I'm plush, and I'm proud!) San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Sodium Hydroxide aka drain cleaner Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 06:39:12 -0000 From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com> >Now before someone flames me for non LR content, please remember that what >you [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >Matthew (fizz, pop, BANG) >ZA Yes you should only use bicarbonate for battery acid spills. Bicarb won't touch the ally _______ //_/_|__\___ \_ - ___ - _d (o) (o) ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 06:37:59 -0800 From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com> Subject: Re: Diesel overkill my ... At 19:56 27.02.96 -0800, ericz@cloud9.net wrote: Just because I seriously considered getting a radar detector for my series vehicle.....:) :) :) =============================== Why stop there? I'd check with NASA about getting some of those heat shield tiles they use on the space shuttle. Gung Hay Fat Choy! John '95 Discovery (Take us out of orbit, Mr. Sulu.) San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: Re: Diesels Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 6:45:37 PST Mike, I have been thinking of replacing my 3.9 with a diesel in my D-90 Any recommendations. Thanks Russ 94 D-90 95 D-90sw 91 R-Rover ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Vacuum Advance Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 10:04:00 EST Ian Harper wrote:-Can anyone explain to me the Vacuum advance? I know the principles, ie it advances the timing under acceleration to increase efficiency, Actually, Ian, it retards the timing under acceleration and advances it under steady state running. The purpose of ignition advance is to initiate the explosion within the cylinder early enough that, to put it simply, the bang arrives at the piston as the piston arrives at top dead centre. Because it takes a finite time for the mixture in the cylinder to burn and this time is fairly constant than as the engine speed increases the spark must fire sooner. This is what advance does. When accelerating in order to get the most push out of a full charge in the cylinder the spark must occur later and the vacuum advance effects this because when accelerating the vacuum is lower. In steady state cruising the light load and partial charge means that the explosion can be initiated earlier and the burn can be more complete before TDC to extract the energy most efficiently. Or something like that The vacuum advance is ported from the carburettor at a point such that the closed throttle blanks the vacuum advance to prevent overadvance at idle. A vacuum gauge should be connected to the manifold in the same way as the brake servo. It ought to show about 20 inches (From memory, please correct me if I'm wrong) at idle, drop on acceleration and increase on the overrun. Errattic timing may be indicative of sticking centrifugal advance mechanism, worn distributor shaft, or vacuum leaks. Trevor Easton ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 07:08:29 -0800 From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com> Subject: Re: Splitting the List. At 01:54 28.02.96 -0500, William Caloccia wrote: > The list is now *officially* split. And all the king's horses and all the king's men... ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 09:55:54 EST From: Patty Burke <PBURKE@american.edu> Subject: Dateline trashing of Disco? My friends are all informing me that I am driving an "unsafe" vehicle, based on some "Dateline/NBC" report on the general lack of safety standards in SUVs. Apparently "Disco is the worst" of the lot. All I know is that someone driving a Ford Taurus rear-ended me at a speed that couldn't have exceeded 5MPH. I did not feel the slightest bump, only heard the CRUNCH of his demolished front-end (almost up to his windshield!), and my Disco had a cracked bumper-light. There was absolutely no other evidence that I had been hit. So, I am highly skeptical of these reports -- what kind of "tests" were performed to suggest results so contrary to my personal experience? I have my gripes about the quality control of LRNA Discos, but it seems to be quite a sturdy vehicle to me. I'm glad I won't have to pay the sticker price for sure-to-be-legislated new safety requirements, but I am annoyed that such reports will likely result in higher insurance rates (now lower than what I was paying on my Audi--of course, that rate was courtesy of 60 minutes and the sudden acceleration scare). ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer <Alan_Richer.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 28 Feb 96 10:52:36 EST Subject: Odd acceleration quirk - opinions? I have an odd acceleration quirk in my 109, that an opinion would be appreciated on. It's like this: When I keep the revs down on clutching in at a light, the engine spiutters like spark is failing. If at the same light I keep the revs high, it pulls away nicely, not sputtering at all. As I have an electronic ignition in the beast, i don't think it's the points.....8*) However, I do think that perhaps I might have mispositioned the IR sensor so that, upon acceleration it's moving the spark firing point off the cap tower for the plug, causing misfires. Anybody got any idea how I can figure this one out? -ajr ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: debrown@srp.gov Date: 28 Feb 96 09:12:52 MST Subject: Jerry cans leaking - Very LR-ish. FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 John writes: > If I have this right, the cans were designed to leak out the top seal as a > mechanism for keeping dirt and sand out of the fuel, this allowed carbs and > filters to have extended life in desert conditions. How *very* Land-Rover like!!! That *must* explain the oil leaks of our beloved (or is that "bewitched"?) beasts! Frame oiler, designed to keep out dirt and sand... What will they think of *next*? P.S. With *only* around 100 messages a day, the digest goes by *much* too quickly!! Why, by the early afternoon, I've already browsed through the entire digest! Come-on people! I have a couple of hours left of work time to kill! Surely we can push the volume up past 200-300 posts!!! Oops! Almost forgot... *** WARNING!!!! *** THE ABOVE WAS *NOT* INTENDED TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BY THOSE FEW ON THE LIST WHO SEEM TO HAVE *NO* SENSE OF HUMOR. Any resemblance to truth is purely coincidental. These are not the opinions of my employer, heck, they're not even *mine*! I *stole* them! Yeah! That's it! I stole them!! I snagged them from some poor sap on the internet!!! All information contained herein is copyrighted. None of it may be used, cited, reproduced, or in any way, shape, form, or media, be used, duplicated, or even read. If you've read this far, then you must report yourself to the internet police, and send me $10 to cover damages! Thank you, and have a nice day... Oh yeah! I forgot the "smileys" to show that it's humor!! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) HUMOR!!! (Or at least, an attempt!!) ;-) #=====# #========# -------,___ _________ |___|__\___ |___|__|__\___ |--' | | \_|_ //__/__|__\___ | _ | |_ |} | _ | | |_ |} | _ |--+--|_ | \__/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""(_)" "(_)"""""""(_)" ||_/_\___|__/_\_|} (_) (_) (_) (_) 1971 "88" IIa 1970 "109" IIa 1994 Discovery (Sold) '87 Range Rover LIC: LION B8 Historic plates (Too hard to "draw") rear Lock-Right Phoenix Arizona USA (602) 820-8052 Crane cam Have: tools, knowledge, couch, etc... Pager: (602) 275-2508 #6486 P.P.S. Just to spark some conversation... Plushmobile, bottle opener, rust, seat switch, over powered, under powered, oil leak, whining overdrive, spam, parts, manual, rodent, heater, worms, waving, tires, snubbed, ABS, leaks, galvanize, importing, bleeding brakes, splitting the list, and finally, Taylor like questions!!! So THERE! ;-) ;-) #=======# _________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ //__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \__/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:48:29 GMT From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk> Subject: Vibration? How's your vibration problem? Gerald -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Gerald Tan EMail gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk | | Purely my own opinions - not those of my employer | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 28 Feb 96 11:16:46 EST From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com> Subject: Isuzu Diesels I have read several articles in LR world and Owner about the installation of Isuzu Diesels into LR products. In Australia they seem to use the 3.9 litre turbo diesel. A trip to my local Isuzu truck dealer the other day revealed that this engine is indded available in the US. It is known as the 4BD1 engine. It produces 129 hp and a mountain of torque. In a conversation with a tow truck driver who used and Isuzu truck equipped with this engine me told that the truck had half a million mile on the original engine with only a valve job. Does anybody out there know a a company who produces the necessary conversion parts to fit this engine into Land Rovers, Range Rovers and Dicovery's? I'm thinking that some of you "down under" probobly have acces to this info as LR's sometimes come eqipped new in OZ this this engine. There are several people in our club SOLAROS who are trying to find a diesel conversion for the LR's and RR's and this engine is readily available here. Mark Ritter ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Diesels From: David.Tinley@bbc.co.uk (Dave Tinley) Date: 28 Feb 96 16:20:52 EST The best all round performance comes from the 300TDi. It suits the chassis well & as a bonus all parts can be sourced from LR. (LRNA ?? not sure). I have owned a 200TDi 90 & was the best LR I ever had - until it was stolen (3 years ago). It's also worth considering the ZF4 speed auto while your swapping engines. I know of a couple of 90's that were converted for disabled drivers. _______ [____|\_\== david.tinley@bbc.co.uk [_-__|__|_-] ___.._(0)..._.(0)__.._ ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:23:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Odd acceleration quirk - opinions? From: "Andrew A. Dallas" <adallas@systemsoft.com> I had a similar problem in my 1975 BMW R90 motorcycle. After about a month of fiddling, I replaced one of the two ignition coils. Everything cleared up. Odd behavior of the motorcycle included occasional power loss and poor idling.Initially it seemed that temperature or outside humidity levels seemed to be affecting performance. The coil appeared to be OK when I tested it with an ohm meter so I couldn't detect that anything was wrong until I replaced it. Upon removal of the old coil, I noticed a carbon deposit on the end of the cable. I hope this helps. -AD ************************************************************************ Andrew A. Dallas Full Spectrum Software, Inc. 30 Whittemore Road Newton, MA 02158, USA (617) 965-7580, On Site Office: (508) 647-2948 email: adallas@tiac.net, Web Page: http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/ ************************************************************************ ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: debrown@srp.gov Date: 28 Feb 96 09:24:24 MST Subject: Relating to Doug Scott FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 Doug, I can relate! I "usually" drive the RR, and wave at *all* LR's, and rarely do I receive a return wave. Once in Flagstaff AZ, a Disco actually flashed it's lights AT ME! I returned a "flash." (Could have gotten arrested for that! ;-) ) I had a total of two RR's respond to me while driving the 109. Once in Washington state (or was that Vermont???), and once in Arizona. As someone else stated: Maybe if I washed my LR more often... But take heart... Some day, you may wave at ME! And unless I'm sleeping at the time, I *will* wave back! (If I *am* sleeping at the time, please honk to wake me. Sleeping while driving *could* be a bad thing.) Dave ("wavey Dave") Brown #=======# _________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ //__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \__/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:27:18 -0700 (MST) From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us> Subject: Re: Dateline trashing of Disco? On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Patty Burke wrote: > My friends are all informing me that I am driving an "unsafe" vehicle, > based on some "Dateline/NBC" report on the general lack of safety [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > based on some "Dateline/NBC" report on the general lack of safety > standards in SUVs. Apparently "Disco is the worst" of the lot---- actually the RODEO was the worst---remember crash tests are like statistics --- if you set it up right you can make it say anything you want! ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:32:37 -0700 (MST) From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us> Subject: Re: RR: County On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Sanjay Prasad wrote: > I just saw a message referring to County style wood trim on a RR. I have > a '90 RR which doesn't have the County designation on the tailgate. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] > Sanjay Prasad > Boston, Massachusetts the county not only has the ARB feature (air re-breather) but in the ARB locker in the rear it has an APMD (automatic poupon mustard dispenser), a must whilst attending tailgate parties at the polo field! ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:53:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Snubbed by a Plushmobile > Give it up. I live in Rover city..or so it seems. Discos & Range Rovers are > very common here. In my 109 I probably get a wave back in about one of every [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] > I just think they don't care > TeriAnn I have to admit that I spent years driving series LR's and just didn't see enough RR's to watch for them. It was only when I saw someone a couple of years ago waving wildly at me from a vehicle which seemed strangely more attractive than the average SUV that I began to look for and wave to RR's and Discovery's. So thanks to the anonymous Discovery driver in Brunswick Maine who at least knew what I was. (and was probably encouraged that a Land Rover could look that bad and still run) Bowdoin, Maine, USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:17:38 -0800 From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Subject: tire step I'm looking for one of those steps that you take out and fit over a tire, for getting at the roof rack. I've seen them, but I can't remember where. Anyone know a source? -Matt ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com Date: 28 Feb 96 12:20:45 -0500 Subject: Update: BMW Discovery The latest issue of Autoweek quotes a higher-up in BMW who indicates that BMW will not rebadge Land Rover products as BMWs. But he did say we shouldn't be surprised if Land Rover badged Discoveries appear in BMW showrooms as Land Rovers. No time frame was given for when this might occur. Maybe this will improve LR dealer competition and pricing, as well as providing more places for vehicle servicing. Here in Atlanta we have 2 LR dealerships, neither conveniently located for me, and both owned by the same people. This issue of Autoweek also listed the big gainers in North American sales for Jan '96 versus Jan '95. LR posted the biggest gains of all makes. ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: crash@merl.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:28:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Manuals, floor mats for sale... If the person who had the Disco floormats for sale would please call me, that would be great! (Email to your address bounces). -Bill Yerazunis 617-621-7530 crash@merl.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:30:39 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: Diesels >Dear Mike Rooth, > You can't tell me that you seriously think the 62 hp diesel is >overkill. Do you understand the meaning of the word. Indeed I do.Overkill is not the realms of fancy,such as you describe, as well as being a physical impossibilty.Overkill is,in fact,any situation where there is more of a given requirement than is strictly necessary to acheive a given end.Therefore two bullets used where one will do the job is overkill.A complete magazine is wasteful. >. >etc, but balanced out for road use in the USA, which is what we are talking >about, it is not a well rounded vehicle. Well rounded would mean you would [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >remains, and you can dispute it as long as you like, but a 62 hp engine is >in no way overkill. There's more to measuring engine performance than HP.And up until now, road use in the USA has not been mentioned either by me,or yourself. I would quite cheerfully give mine to my wife to drive anywhere,but she would have more sense than to drive it up a tree.I consider my 88" a perfectly well rounded vehicle,thanks.(Truth to tell,like all series vehicles,the adjective "rounded" doesnt sit well with them,but there you go,they're just the wrong shape for the word). >where 200 horse is average and gas is 1.25 a gallon. My other truck has a >7.7L, and my other car has a 7.8L, so I guess you and I have a drastic [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] >bigger blocks than entire Land Rovers, so if you think I have experience >with only one diesel you are severly mistaken. I dont question your experience with a multitude of makes.What I actually said was "one diesel *Land Rover*".And if the thing underperformed,why not get it sorted so it didnt? I fail to see what the price of fuel has to do with the discussion.I assume your diesel is equally cheap?We are all well aware of the relatively inexpensive nature of fuel in the USA.But that doesnt mean you have to try to use it all at once,surely?You are,of course,entitled to your opinion,as you are to state that opinion.But IMO,you are *not* entitled to state it as fact. Aside from this,folks.It occurred to me the other day,that diesel fuel in the UK rejoices in the name of DERV.For Diesel Engined Road Vehicles. Isnt it a good thing they didnt use the same convention for Petrol? Think about it......... Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 10:14:37 -0800 (PST) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: CAR and DRIVER article on 87 RR -Reply On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, David Olley at New Concept wrote: > Please repeat: A VCU RR DOES NOT HAVE A CENTRE DIFF! Wait -- slight correction -- a VCU RR DOES have a center diff, providing the direct mechanical coupling to the front wheels at all times. It's just that the viscous coupling locks this diff when it senses wheelspin. This is in contrast to various "all wheel drive" vans and other pseudo 4X4's like the "Four Wheeler of the year" 1996 V8 Jeep Grand Cherokee which have a viscous coupling with no center diff. In the latter case the vehicle is effectively in 2 wheel drive unless a rear wheel starts spinning, causing a difference in speed between the front and rear driveshafts and bringing the viscous gizmo into play to send some torque to the front. Cheers John Brabyn 89RR WITH a center differential ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 13:17:28 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re::Disco, SUV safety. >My friends are informing me that I drive an "unsafe" vehicle. I don't know about anyone else, but if I'm in an accident I would rather be in a LR with a good solid frame and (roll cage), than some unibody piece of junk. >SUV's cost more to fix than cars. Foreign SUV's are even more expensive to repair. Duh! They cost more to begin with, and so do the parts. After watching the way the media handles everything these days I have to wonder about the truth content of these reports. I have a hard time believing any of it. The number one item seems to be "shock value" for the best ratings, not truth in reporting. While on the subject of safety. One thing I have noticed about the way some people drive... It seems like air bags, anti lock brakes, Etc. have given the average SUV "mall hopper" the impression of invulnerability. All of these safety (improvements?) have there place, but these toys by themselves are not going to keep them safe. No matter (what) you drive the best "safety device" in the vehicle is you! Nothing will ever replace good driving habits and staying cool in a panic situation! All of this reminds me of Consumer Reports wanting everyone to believe that SUV's are inherently unsafe. "Due to their high center of gravity, they don't handle like a car in a panic situation." The bottom line is simple. If you make a habit of driving like an idiot your chances of having an accident are greater. Now I guess there will be more legislation and higher insurance rates for SUV's? Does anyone know if insurance rates are calculated more for what type of vehicle you drive, or your driving record? Sorry, just venting. (sick of government trying to legislate common sense). Barnett 95 D90 with OME HD suspension (1.5 inches extra height), front/rear swaybars removed, and the brains to drive my LR safely and not take all of these consumer safety reports as the "truth". ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 10:20:17 -0800 (PST) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: Borg Warner Transfer Box RR '89 Model Year onwards On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Gerald Tan wrote: > The Viscous Coupling Unit (VCU) is fitted across the centre differential (not > instead of it), to automatically lock the differential when a significant speed > difference between front and rear prop shafts is sensed. Land Rover > optimistically state that it will lock up after half a wheel's revolution, but > that's another story. Actually I've found it seems to lock quite immediately in the dirt and even squeals the tires in a tight turn on concrete. It also provides enough "give" in the drivetrain to prevent binding and hopefully damage due to wind-up as experienced in mechanically locked up vehicles used on rocks or pavement. Cheers John Brabyn 89RR ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 10:29:45 -0800 From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us> Subject: Re: CAR and DRIVER article on 87 RR -Reply John Brabyn wrote: > This is in contrast to various "all wheel drive" vans and other pseudo > 4X4's like the "Four Wheeler of the year" 1996 V8 Jeep Grand Cherokee [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > driveshafts and bringing the viscous gizmo into play to send some torque > to the front. Not to mention the "new" Ford Explorer, which is also always in two-wheel-drive until wheelspin at the rear is sensed and power is transferred to the front axle. Great for those slippery spots at the entrance to the mall parking lot. -- Christopher Boese County of San Bernardino, California Information Services, Information Systems Security Office '95 beluga black Discovery V8i ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:41:18 -0500 (EST) From: m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate) Subject: Waving TeriAnn writes: "In my 109 I probably get a wave back in about one of every 300 to 400 Disco and range Rover close encounters. i get a wave from about one in ten Defender close encounters. Heck, the last 88 that went by on a 2 lane road didn't even wave. " Perhaps criticism should be directed away from the owners of the vehicles specifically, and onto the populous in general. Around here, if I can make eye contact with another Rover driver, I get a return wave about 95% of the time. My wife tells of another RR driver waving furiously to her as they passed on our city's main street after our last foot-deep snow storm. We went to church one morning during the same storm, and were flagged down by another RR. The guy driving it is a nationally known defense attorney. Just wanted to talk Rovers for a second. People around here are just a bit more amenable to waving. Heck, in the neighborhood around my Dad's farm, nearly everybody waves at everybody. It's subtle, though. Procedure is thus: 1) With left or right hand at either 11 or 1 o'clock (respectively) raise index finger exactly 4 seconds when another person is nearing closest point of approach. 2) Expect return gesture. 3) More hearty waves are reserved for people you actually know. Too bad in other parts of this country people are more likely to raise another finger. Additionally she says: "I just think they don't care." Obviously not. Have you considered moving to a place where the natives are friendly? Bye Y'all (wave). Scott (No, I'm not affiliated with the Chamber of Commerce.) Fugate Knoxville, TN 1970 IIa 88 1989 RR ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:48:08 GMT -0600 Subject: re::Disco, SUV safety. > SUV's? Does anyone know if insurance rates are calculated more for what > type of vehicle you drive, or your driving record? - Call me cynical, but I expect it's dependent on which way they can get the most money. Actually, I had an insurance co. in VT (I forget which) refuse to insure my LR because they didn't insure Jeeps anymore. (this after the 60 min. report years ago on rollovers) Regarding "panic situations". Sure you can't avoid all of them (there will always be the idiot that will come from nowhere) but you can avoid alot of them by being aware of your surroundings and keeping an escape path open. Case in point: In a construction zone outside of Cleveland where the left lane was closed, I was sitting in backed up traffic, the last car in line. I usually don't sit at lights etc, with the tranny in neutral, and this time it paid off. I heard tire squeals and the only place it could be coming from was behind me. I looked in my rearview to see a SUV nose down (read hard braking) with the boat he was towing, starting to come around. He obviously was depending on his brakes to keep from hitting me, which weren't going to do it. So I popped the clutch and pulled between the barrels into the left lane. It was scarry, and I got quite an adrenaline rush about 15 minutes later. (the space left after he stopped was less than a car length. So, it pays to be prepared (as much as you can) for the person who is driving beyond their limits, or not paying attention, or both. And don't depend on those safety devices to save your life. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:54:15 +0000 From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> Subject: Re: Borg Warner Transfer Box RR '89 Model Year onwards Gerald Tan wrote: > The Viscous Coupling Unit (VCU) is fitted across the centre differential (not > instead of it), Thanks for that Gerald. I am glad that someone who has obviously looked at the drawings (or maybe inside a box) has come to my aid. I based my text on "hearsay", which was obviously incorrect. I am a simple Series soul, and cannot be expected to know about these fancy quiet, warm, comfortable vehicles! I cannot see why a diff should be used, however, since it's only purpose is to allow for minor front/rear revolution differences. This is surely done by the VCU. Is this another case of design overkill? A cone clutch, rather like the old electro overdrives would surely be sufficient to lock the front/rear drive train. I would love to see a drawing from the manual, showing the design. Any chance that you could fax me a copy? Anyway, in the interests of accuracy, I will amend my web page on the subject. If anyone else sees nonsense in my mutterings, I will be happy to be rebuked. -- David Olley ..................................................................................... Winchester, England Tel: +44(0)1962-840769 Fax : +44(0)1962-867367 Home Page: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept ..................................................................................... ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 97 12:51:36 -0600 From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: :Disco, SUV safety and Insurance costs We have a 1990 Saab 900 sedan with abs, driver air bag but no burglar alarm., This was the safest car on the road at the time. We also have a 1995 Disco 5 speed manual. We are both middle aged non smoking drivers with perfect records. The insurance costs are 1805.00, with the SAAB costing 893.00 and Land Rover Discovery 912.00 a year. This coverage is for 250k deductible. Bodily Injury Liability each person 500,000.00. Medical payments 50,000.00; collision 250.00 deductible; uninsured motorists 500,000 each occurrence; comprehensive 100.00 deductible on each car, towing 75.00 per disablement. I thought those figures were interesting in the light of this discussion. John B. Friedman ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:59:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Dateline trashing of Disco? I must agree with you on this one. With all new cars now having crumple zones they are going to be more costly to replace. A car can be totalled now a days at 20mph, but baout 20 years ago when tey were built like tanks that wouldn't be the case. I still believe one is safer in a head on crash with an SUV than in a car, because we are higher up. I have been getting a lot sh_t about my discovery since this report, but many of these people come change their view once I speak to them. THe reason why it is such big news is because our present society believes that SUV's are indestructable. It can be seen on the highways during bad weather when SUV's pass you up going 55mph or faster. When i bought my Pathfinder and Disco I knew what I was getting into, it is just plain common sense. Bigger vehicle longer stopping distance and because on has 4 wheel drive it doesn't expempt one from sliping on ice or wet roads. It just gives better traction in deep snow, gravel, sand, etc. Did they mention that if a Porsche or Ferrari is damage in an accident that it would be expensive to fix those types of cars as well?As you said, since it is a foreign car of course it will be expensive. Well I better get going now. I can debate about this all day. John Maravilla '95 Bronze Discovery No matter what NBC says, Rover's are still the best! >On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Patty Burke wrote: [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)] >actually the RODEO was the worst---remember crash tests are like >statistics --- if you set it up right you can make it say anything you want! ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Diesels vs Petrol Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 14:17:00 EST From: azw@aber.ac.uk Writes " They are superb for idling thru probelms feet off - about the best way to get em thru many, cos the governer automatically compensates for the varying demasd on the engine." Has anyone tried a cruise control tied to engine revs to achieve the same effect from the petrol engine. ie dial in 1000 rpm, engine loads up control opens throttle. Dip clutch control, closes throttle etc. Trevor "mr Gadget" Easton ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:16:51 +0100 From: lopezba@atnet.at Subject: Re: Hand crank instead of winch Trevor Easton wrote: >A further use for the hand crank is by those of us who can't afford or don't >want a winch. With the vehicle in low first it is possible, if one is fit [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >only results in wheelspin. >Trevor"puff, pant, grunt, groan" Easton Trevor - maybe you left that little piece of info out by design, but it is usually recommended to remove all the spark plugs first, or you will really be puffing, etc. Alternatively, have sombody step on the clutch pedal all the time. Or do real men do it the hard way? Peter Hirsch SI 107in S/W Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1) ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:16:43 +0100 From: lopezba@atnet.at Subject: Re: Welding Birmabright Gentle readers, because of positive replies I will try and type the Land-Rover Series One Newsletter article about Birmabright welding on the weekend and mail it then. However, to provide reasonably complete information to the North American LRO's, can somebody mail me sources and/or alternative products in the US and/or Canada for the following products: Lumiweld As an alternative to Lumiweld you can use birmabright, but then you need: Hari-Kari Aluminium Welding Flux (sounds extremely unlikely, hope you can come up with an alternative!) Till later Peter Hirsch ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:16:54 +0100 From: lopezba@atnet.at Subject: Re: Pinzgauer I was not going to respond to that, but I am only human, no matter what my fellow-workers say. So: Benjamin Archer wrote: >Subject: Re: Mercedes G >Shall we correct this minor misunderstanding? The Pinzgauer is a competant >offroad truck, although it is cosnsiderably more expensive per unit that the [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] >before you even come close to looking at the political implications of the >verdict. The LR is a very good compromise between a roadworthy vehicle and a very competent off-road vehicle. The Pinzgauer, IMNSHO, is much better off road, and a pain in the neck and several other parts of the body on the road. Some people would argue that it is important for a field ambulance to reach casualties pretty much whereever they are, and troop morale would be better for that reason. As for cost - the Vauxhall standard truck would have been even better price-wise, and easier to maintain than the LR. But: > Calling our government unfair for choosing the superior wolf is to >be blind to the facts, upto =A3500m worth of orders relied on the purchace= > of >=A3200m worth of home grown produce. And that sums it up very neatly, and I have full sympathy for it. If Austria was going to spend so much money on its army (which it is not, thank heavens), I would hate to see the contract go abroad, too, EU or no EU. It does not change the basic truth: the Pinzgauer is more specialized and better off-road, and it is much more expensive for that reason. >As to the claim that the Austrian is >superior is misquoting the facts, the Austrian was considdered the "Gold >Plated Option," and unnecessarily costly for the role of a field ambulance. > I hope that straightens thing out slightly. See above under Possibly Desirable Capabilities of a Field Ambulance. Well, got it out of the system now, and that's that for me. Actually the original message was meant to be funny like ;>) or :-) or c=:>o (a frightened cook in case you don't know)... >>> are Made in Austria, by the way, if I may say so, by Steyr-Daimler-Puch= > who [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] >> intruded... >Ben Archer Peter Hirsch SI 107in S/W Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1) ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "DAVE MCKAIN" <MCKAIN@cemr.wvu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:31:26 EDT Subject: Re: Vacuum Advance Vacuum advance is used to minimize pre-ignition in the cylinders during acceleration due to increased combustion chamber temperatures associated with that event. I think. David McKain 1972 SIII SWB (parting) 1970 SIIA SWB (parting) 1969 SIIA SWB (rebuilding) 1959 SII Ex-Mil SWB 1963 SIIA SWB (parting) mckain@cemr.wvu.edu (304) 599-0120 Morgantown, WV USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Hugh Grierson" <Hugh_Grierson@trimble.co.nz> Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:16:17 +1300 Subject: Re: D90 manual > >and it looks great. However, it didn't come > >with a binder and I can't seem to find one. > Just a normal A4 ring binder fits just fine -uinless you ar hellbant on > using all four holes........ But Andy, these wacky 'murcans aren't too hot on A4. -- Hugh Grierson hugh_grierson@trimble.co.nz ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:58:25 -0800 From: Kathryn Krages <krages@ohsu.edu> Subject: Insurance Question re 57 Series I Thanks to all who responded two weeks ago to my husband's request for advice about his flooded '57 Land Rover Series I 88 in Portland, Oregon. He drained all the fluids and found a good LR mechanic who is currently working on it and thinks we got to it in time. My husband also found the last of the seat cushions which had floated away. Now that it looks as if the vehicle may actually be driveable in a few weeks, we have a question about determing the value to get car insurance. When I called our insurance agent last week, she couldn't find any Blue Book value for the LR and said we needed some kind of proof of its value. We know how much we paid for it, but my husband and now this mechanic have put a lot of work into it over the past two years. Has anyone else had problems obtaining insurance for an old Land Rover or setting its value? --Kathryn Krages krages@ohsu.edu ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au> Subject: RE: Dateline trashing of Disco? Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 07:47:00 EST There were similar "findings" here is Oz. a couple of years ago (maybe last year!!) when two motoring bodies/insurance companies did crash testing on 4WD's. I think the Discovery came out worst of all in that situation. But how many people drive at 38km/h head-on into a 50 tone block of concrete!! Hasn't slowed their sales at all, there are everywhere. There was another "finding" published before this which was the result of survey of 250,000 accidents in the states of New South Wale and Victoria which involved death or serious injuries and it listed the top 5 (most save vehicles) where these were (I think this was the order) 5 series BMW, Mercedes (can't remember the model) Pugote 504(sp??), Honda Prelude and Range Rover! It also listed the worst 5 which included on or two small the Jap/Korean 4wd's. So you can read what you like into these things. I've been driving Land Rover products for more than 20 years and I'm not going to change now because some insurance company tells me that the 50 tone block is going to win every time! Simon Barclay Sydney Australia '90 5sp RR '51 Series 1 (Louie) ---------- From: LRO-Owner Subject: Dateline trashing of Disco? Date: Wednesday, 28 February 1996 9:55AM My friends are all informing me that I am driving an "unsafe" vehicle, based on some "Dateline/NBC" report on the general lack of safety standards in SUVs. Apparently "Disco is the worst" of the lot. All I know is that someone driving a Ford Taurus rear-ended me at a speed that couldn't have exceeded 5MPH. I did not feel the slightest bump, only heard the CRUNCH of his demolished front-end (almost up to his windshield!), and my Disco had a cracked bumper-light. There was absolutely no other evidence that I had been hit. So, I am highly skeptical of these reports -- what kind of "tests" were performed to suggest results so contrary to my personal experience? I have my gripes about the quality control of LRNA Discos, but it seems to be quite a sturdy vehicle to me. I'm glad I won't have to pay the sticker price for sure-to-be-legislated new safety requirements, but I am annoyed that such reports will likely result in higher insurance rates (now lower than what I was paying on my Audi--of course, that rate was ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 16:26:28 EST From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Subject: put D's with Series!!! Re: splitting the list.. Why put the D90/110 with the plushmobiles? (Does my vote count?) OK, then... where will a StageI go? It's got a v8.. but it's got springs. And what about a series coiler conversion? I think the split should be not along the "coils" vs. "leaves" line, but along the "burmabright dash" vs. "burl" divide. Just though I'd start something here.. :) Jan ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:39:47 From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Subject: Roadwheels needed An expert in the field has informed me that I cannot run tubes in a tubeless tire for safety reasons. Since I have the riveted roadwheels I am now in the market for the welded kind so that I can install tubeless tires. Anyone with an extra wheel or two is invited to respond. Vehicle type is a 1966 S2A Diesel Station Wagon. I know that there are some out there hiding in a dark corner of of the garage. Grungy condition accepted. Bill Adams 3Dmentia computer animation 4016 Spruell Drive Kensington, MD 20895 301-949-9475 '66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel ...all there ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com> Subject: RE: Dateline trashing of Disco? Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:42:07 -0800 >My friends are all informing me that I am driving an "unsafe" vehicle, >based on some "Dateline/NBC" report on the general lack of safety >standards in SUVs. Apparently "Disco is the worst" of the lot. Wasn't "Dateline/NBC" the same show that, several years ago, showed how unsafe the GMC pickups with "side-saddle" (i.e. on the outside of the frame rails) fuel tanks were. They demonstrated that if you hit them from the side and had a spark plug in the tank, it would explode?! Now, there's a credible source! (I went out after that show and removed all spark plugs from the fuel tanks in my cars :-) >So, I am highly skeptical of these reports -- what kind of "tests" >were performed to suggest results so contrary to my personal >experience? The web page at http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/A/Safety3.html shows the result of a 1994 Disco after meeting a cement wall at 60 km/h (37 mph). While I wouldn't want to play crash-test-dummy and find out for myself, it looks like the cabin is relatively in-tact. Add an air-bag and it looks downright survivable, though probably pretty uncomfortable. I'd rather pay more to have my car replaced because it absorbed the impact, then spend time in the hospital because I absorbed the impact. But I'm funny that way, I suppose :-) _____ /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA | _|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ N7UMU >So, I am highly skeptical of these reports -- what kind of "tests" ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:52:08 -0800 Subject: Re: put D's with Series!!! I think the Defenders really belong in both groups and I hope that Defender owners will subscribe to both lists. The Defenders have many mechanical things in common with the Discoverys and the Range Rovers that make contact important. However, the Defender is the modern day series Land Rover and there are also a lot of parts that interchange there too. You CAN subscribe to both groups. Its not like anyone is saying you have a series car so you can only subscribe to the series list. Its a mater of WHERE YOU POST QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. Its not like a group of people have to go away. Its a matter of paying attention to the address when posting to make sure it goes into the right subject group. TeriAnn ------------------------------[ <- Message 57 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 28 Feb 96 16:59:00 EST From: <RALPH@smuggits.mhs.compuserve.com> Subject: Frozen Bolts. This is a quick plea for help. I was removing the exhaust on my 101 prior to fitting a new one and it seems I am the first to try this since it's construction. The bolts joining the front pipes to the manifold are seized (and rusted) in place. I have already snapped the head off one of them which I anticipate will cause me some problems. I have already tried all the standard tricks (plusgas, tapping, swearing etc.) and would be grateful if anyone has any ideas. Thanks Ralph. 101 FC. ------------------------------[ <- Message 58 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:04:13 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Roadwheels needed > An expert in the field has informed me that I cannot run tubes in a tubeless > tire for safety reasons. Since I have the riveted road wheels I am now in the - Which expert? I bet I can find several that will say otherwise. I have asked tire mfg. that question and they said you could, but it was a waste. (unless of course your rims won't work with tubeless tires) Anyway, I've done it on a Ford PU with no problem, except the tubes stuck to the tires because they weren't dusted well enough with talc. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 59 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:24:13 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Frozen Bolts. > all the standard tricks (plusgas, tapping, swearing etc.) and would be > grateful if anyone has any ideas. A nut cracker (and I don't mean a wayward handcrank). It's a tool has a ring that fits over the nut and has a sharp wedge (like a chisel) that's threaded. You crank it down onto the nut and it splits it. There may or may not be room to fit it in there though. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 60 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:50:20 GMT From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re: Borg Warner Transfer Box RR '89 Model Year onwards In your message dated Wednesday 28, February 1996 you wrote : > Actually I've found it seems to lock quite immediately in the dirt and > even squeals the tires in a tight turn on concrete. I've always wanted to, but never had the opportunity, to compare a mechanical diff lock vs. viscous coupled vehicle, side by side, in a variety of situations. Gerald. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Gerald Tan EMail gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk | | Purely my own opinions - not those of my employer | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 61 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:43:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Snubbed by a Plushmobile In a message dated 96-02-28 11:57:41 EST, (Ron Franklin) writes: > (and was probably encouraged that a Land >Rover could look that bad and still run) [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >Rover could look that bad and still run) >Bowdoin, Maine, USA After about 2 minutes on the floor gasping for breath, I am just able to hold my hand steady enough to say: "ha ha ha, Ron, ha ha ha." Touche... JOhn, D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 62 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:43:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Hand crank instead of winch In a message dated 96-02-28 14:24:11 EST, you write: Trevor - maybe you left that little piece of info out by design, but it is >usually recommended to remove all the spark plugs first, or you will really >be puffing, etc. >Alternatively, have sombody step on the clutch pedal all the time. >Or do real men do it the hard way? >Peter Hirsch So Peter, you are saying that a v8 Land Rover, like my Defender (if I were to equip it for hand cranking), would require 3 people to start it via hand cranks? 1 to push the clutch in, and the other two on the two cranks? Where is my ignition key? John, D90, electric start...can you believe that? ------------------------------[ <- Message 63 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:43:20 -0500 Subject: Re: put D's with Series!!! I demand that the list not be split. there. solved. John, D90 (the series-style one...) ------------------------------[ <- Message 64 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:43:56 -0500 Subject: Re: CAR and DRIVER article on 87 RR -Reply In a message dated 96-02-28 13:19:11 EST, you write: >> Please repeat: A VCU RR DOES NOT HAVE A CENTRE DIFF! >Wait -- slight correction -- a VCU RR DOES have a center diff, series don't have center diffs...series don't have center diffs...series don't have center diffs...series don't have center diffs... what was that web page address? oh yea...here it is... series don't have center diffs...series don't have center diffs...series don't ------------------------------[ <- Message 65 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:47:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Subject: Re: Roadwheels needed On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, WILLIAM ADAMS wrote: > An expert in the field has informed me that I cannot run tubes in a tubeless > tire for safety reasons. Since I have the riveted roadwheels I am now in the > market for the welded kind so that I can install tubeless tires. Huh? Time for an informed second opinion, I think. Based on my questions along these lines, the problem comes when a tube made for bias ply tires is used in a radial tubeless tire. I've been running radial-type tubes in nominally tubeless tires for many years with no known problem. Rgds, Walt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Walter C. Swain | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us * * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover * * Davis, California | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------[ <- Message 66 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re:List splitting garbage Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 09:17:12 +1030 (CDT) Jan asks: > OK, then... where will a StageI go? It's got a v8.. but it's Hey its simple, I post my "brakes are playing up" question here and my "What is wrong with my CD175's?" to the Rangie list. It isnt too painful to be subscribed to both, at least not yet (g) -- Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au) ------------------------------[ <- Message 67 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:51:59 -0600 From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us> Subject: Re: Dateline trashing of Disco? -Reply One thing that never seems to come out in press reports on passenger safety tests is that the test simulates a collision with a like sized vehicle or a solid wall. Although compact car x may test well, in a collision between compact x and a Suburban I'd rather be in the larger truck than the highly rated compact. As for insurance rates, my agent says costs of repair, esp parts, is the main reason for LRs being so high. My Cherokee is relatively cheap despite it being an evil SUV. Also, on Dateline's segment on the danger of raised trucks, I didn't notice any LR's at all in that piece. :) Perhaps dateline could suggest that federal regulations require all SUV's be made with such good suspensions that the modifications they criticized would not be necessary. :) ------------------------------[ <- Message 68 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:00:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Subject: List splitting garbage As much as I fail to see the need or desirability to split the list (being a cross breed with family in each camp) I'm willing to do it if it will avoid another round of garbage on the subject. I did subscribe to the RRO List some time ago (one of the 24 cited by Bill) and have gotten next to no traffic, but I'm ready. So let's do it or not, but let's not TALK about it. Enough is enuf. Rgds, Walt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Walter C. Swain | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us * * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover * * Davis, California | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------[ <- Message 69 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:08:13 -0800 Subject: Re: put D's with Series!!! On Wed, 28 Feb 96, jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) wrote: >Re: splitting the list.. >Why put the D90/110 with the plushmobiles? (Does my vote count?) >OK, then... where will a StageI go? It's got a v8.. but it's >got springs. And what about a series coiler conversion? Oh, and my therapist said I was starting to get over my identity conflicts....;) >I think the split should be not along the "coils" vs. "leaves" line, >but along the "burmabright dash" vs. "burl" divide. What about the plastic ones? Do we divide along the beer bottly friendly line? :) >Just though I'd start something here.. :) You did! Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 70 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:34:49 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Hand crank instead of winch > So Peter, you are saying that a v8 Land Rover, like my Defender (if I were to > equip it for hand cranking), would require 3 people to start it via hand > cranks? 1 to push the clutch in, and the other two on the two cranks? That is my understanding too... :-) ------------------------------[ <- Message 71 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:41:53 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Roadwheels needed On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, WILLIAM ADAMS wrote: > An expert in the field has informed me that I cannot run tubes in a tubeless > tire for safety reasons. Since I have the riveted roadwheels I am now in the > market for the welded kind so that I can install tubeless tires. Rubbish... > Anyone with an extra wheel or two is invited to respond. Vehicle type is a > 1966 S2A Diesel Station Wagon. The big Green Beastie, aka a 1964 IIA petrol Station Wagon with the same rims as you is running radial tires with radial tubes. Note: Radial tubes go with radial tires and biasply tubes go with biasply tires. You cannot mix and match. if you do, tube life is greatly reduced. You do need tubes on your current rims. Get the Michelin radial tubes. ------------------------------[ <- Message 72 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PDoncaster@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:56:56 -0500 Subject: Series Insurance John Purnell wrote: >I forget who was having problems with their insurance >carrier not correctly identifying their Land Rover, but I just >got some renewal info and they finally have it correct: State >Farm now acknowledges that I am in fact insuring a 1994 >(year) Land Rover (make) Defender (model) and they even have >the correct VIN. >John. #1336 That was probably me John, and to update; I was prepared with postings from numerous people who have LRO's insured with State Farm, and lots of other helpful information from LR gurus and from an LRO insurance agent. I was ready for a battle, but it never happened. It turns out that it is not my 64 IIA that they are afraid of, but, rather, my sordid history of moves, multiple licences and various aliases that they dont like. Peter Doncaster New Orleans, USA '64 IIA 88 SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 73 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:03:22 -0800 Subject: driving out the plushies Upon reading Bills email about splitting the list this morning I put together a boiler plate letter and have been forwarding it to Disco & RR posters. So far only one flame. I'm on a campain to drive them there plushies off our range. I noticed the new & vastly improved Europart web site today. TeriAnn Below is a copy of my boilerplate: ----------- Your posting seem to have been accidently posted to the wrong Land Rover List. Ether that or you missed the message from the list admin stating that the list was officially split. This list is for series Land Rover related subjects only. You probably wanted to post your message in the Range Rover, Discovery, Defender list. I have provided a copy of Bill's announcement, along with the majordomo information to help you make sure you are subscribing and posting to the correct list. ---------- Bill's posting announcing the split ------------------- The list is now *officially* split. You heard it here first. Majordomo will spell it out for you in the future. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ If rro gets enough spam (THIS IS NOT A CHALLENGE), then I'll make adjustments as necessary. >From: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net >Subject: Majordomo results >>>> lists Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net serves the following lists: rro Range Rover (& 90"/110"/Disco) Owners ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ land-rover-owner (Series) Land Rover Owners (world-wide, real-time) ^^^^^^ lro-digest LRO mail in Digest form (<- START HERE !) lro-digest-ltd LRO Digest Limited (split into pieces) au-lro Austrailia & New Zealand LRO (real-time) eu-lro European LROs (real-time) za-lro South African LROs (real-time) uk-lro UK & IE LROs (real-time) uk-lro-digest UK & IE LROs Daily Digest uk-arc Association of Rover Clubs (UK) uk-arc-nr Attending the next ARC National Rallye Ciao, --bill caloccia@OpenMarket.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 74 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 00:09:14 +0000 From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> Subject: Re: Borg Warner Transfer Box RR '89 Model Year onwards Gerald, thanks for faxing me the drawings from the RR Manual. They show very clearly the transfer box (epicyclic reduction gears) and the VCU. They do not show any detail of a differential unit, however. It appears to be contained within the hub of the driven sprocket which drives the VCU. I wonder what the diff unit looks like. Item 7 in the drawing, though, is the reduction gear assembly, not the diff. Thanks (but is there a drawing showing the diff?). BTW I should cure my vibrations when I get a chance to deal with the gearbox. I suspect the bearings are shot. -- David Olley ..................................................................................... Winchester, England Tel: +44(0)1962-840769 Fax : +44(0)1962-867367 Home Page: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept ..................................................................................... ------------------------------[ <- Message 75 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:19:39 -0500 Subject: Re: put D's with Series!!! On Wed, 28 Feb 96, jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) wrote: >Re: splitting the list.. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)] >Jan >Or revive it? I'll wave to any LR, but to me there are square LRs and contoured ones. The '95 90 I have is based on Series workhorse philosophy, as are most of the world's Defenders. The NAS90 is the only one with that level of plushness. Of course there are plenty of RR owners who know that their suspension went into the latest formidable square series, and use it similarly, but they there is nothing to stop them from subscribing to both. >BTW, no LR drivers wave here, unless they are friends to begin with. I've never seen a more po-faced category of drivers. Up to a year ago I had been driving Lada Nivas for a decade and could always depend on a flash of headlights from any approaching Niva. (We use the electron version of the wave in this part of the world, lights, hooter (oops, horn), or both). Given the relatively small communities, there is a lot of flashing and hooting involved in driving through town. Allan Smith 300 Tdi 90 el Galeon St. Lucia ------------------------------[ <- Message 76 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:21:09 -0500 Subject: Joy riders crash-test 90 Warmest greetings from St. Lucia This morning I parked in an empty lot near my lab, and went to work. At lunch time, anticipating a relaxing hour on my verandah on the beach, I returned to the lot to find my vehicle 50 yards away, on the other side of the lot, with its nose smashed into the galvanised-iron sheeting fence around someone's yard. The vehicle was still locked, the ground was flat, it was in 2nd gear, and the battery was so dead that it probably won't be revived. I have had problems with the ignition switch for the past 2 weeks and have been expecting a replacement contact unit from the UK any day. So the first thought was that the defective contacts had activated the starter, which had driven the car through the brush to crash into the wall. So, rip out the dash and steering column covers, extract the ignition contact unit (and if you have ever tried to remove both of the screws that hold it in, while the ignition/steering lock unit is in situ, you know what a pain it is). Then prise open the contact unit and find ..... ants! Hundreds of the buggers, live, squashed or electrocuted, all had contributed to weeks of problems, culminating in a hot-wired joy-ride into an unresisting wall. After evicting the Hymenopteran joy-riders, and replacing the battery, everything worked, much to my surprise. I had expected a melt-down of the starter and other wiring. When I had the 90 custom-made last year, one of the many options was an under-body screen to prevent small animals from climbing into a warm engine bay at night and then getting the cuisinart treatment from the fan in the morning. They didn't tell me that 2mm long ants could totally disable one of Solihull's finest! One last thing, with reference to today's postings of crumple zones, I only had to wipe some rust dust off my front bars; the iron fence is remodelled with a fold >. That makes 3 times that the bar has saved the front end - contact with loose cows and horses (a problem here and the reason I had the unit fitted) and now this. Allan Smith 300 Tdi 90 el Galeon St. Lucia ------------------------------[ <- Message 77 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SACME@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:39:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Snubbed by a Plushmobile Thanks to all who responded, both directly to me and in the digest. I think you all should know that I heard from the RR that snubbed me - a gracious, apologizing, but most important, explanatory message. I do not think it is proper for me to give out his identity, but I think all of us need to think about what he said. First, he is a former 109 owner who changed to a RR because it meets his needs of today much better. The reason he snubbed me, and I think this bears some thinking about, is that he assumed that I was just another of those who, on the digest, heap scorn on anything that isn't "Series". To put it another way, his feelings were hurt long before mine. I think we have both learned something we can use in the future - stereotyping is wrong and unfair. How would I have reacted if, a few miles down the road, he was pulled over with a flat tire? I would probably have driven right by him! I have laughed myself silly at the plushmobile/series exchanges in the digest, and will continue to do so when they are in fun or tongue-in-cheek, but I/we need to pull back once in a while and acknowledge that unless the Land-Rover name was to become ancient history only, Solihull had to move with the times and build what would be sellable and what would meet the very rigorous safety and pollution standards that exist today. I drive a Series III and I have, honest, never been in a Defender, Discovery or Range Rover. And you know what, I'm a little scared to try them out because I just might find one of them irresistable...and a lot more comfortable for 55-year old kidneys and eardrums. At the same time, I'm sure some of the post-Series owners who have been plagued with high-tech, especially EMU/ECU and the like, problems envy those of us who can still see road on either side of the engine block. They have my sympathy and my promise of any help I can provide, even if on the newer models it is probably about zip. I have made two decisions: First, I'm not going to use the word "plushmobile" any more in connection with Solihull products, and, second, I'm going to work every way I can to foster inclusion of all Solihull products in the BB - starting with being the first to wave, and the first to stop and help, no matter what has happended in the past. (How many times have SERIES drivers waved to me, and I just didn't see them?? How many post-Series drivers weren't even born yet, or at least into cars, when I bought my Rover? Why should they be expected to recognize mine as part of the LR family, especially in its current condition of multi-colors and mud?) 'Nough said, and apologies for excessive bandwidth. Doug (taken the BB Pledge) Scott 2 ea. Older Solihull Lumps (OSLs for the acronym inclined) ------------------------------[ <- Message 78 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com Date: 28 Feb 96 19:46:19 -0500 Subject: RE: Dateline trashing of Disco? Last night I watched my first and last episode of Dateline. What lousy, biased and cheap journalism! This is the video equivalent of the Star and Inquirer. First up was a bunch of violent accidents involving lifted 4x4's. The point being that they are killing people in cars hit by them. In all cases shown the impact damage was excessive indicating high closing speeds - I seriously doubt the occupants would have survived regardless of the trucks' bumper height. Everything was heresay and innuendo, and opinion, no substantial facts. At the end, after much torture to the viewers over the in-between segments, they finally showed the segment on Sport Utes. Contrary to some of the posts here, their point was NOT that these vehicles are unsafe - these were very low speed barrier impacts. Their point was that damage was excessive - and they are correct. They hinted at the real cause - worthless 2.5 MPH impact requirements for cars and none at all for trucks - and then blamed the manufacturers for designing vehicles that met all federal requirements. If 10 MPH bumpers were mandated on sport-utes, they'd be there. This is an issue of standards, not shoddy manufacturers. The other thing they did was refer to the vehicles as 4x4's - as if that made them unsafe. Every vehicle they showed, except the Disco, is available in 2WD and, in fact, I'm pretty sure the Rodeo was not 4WD. Boy did it crunch when they backed it into a pole! The Disco fell in the upper end of the repair damage range but they did not call it out special. It was interesting that they did NOT compare damage relative to vehicle cost, all were compared equally. The report did convince me that I should order HD front and rear bumpers. ------------------------------[ <- Message 79 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:58:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re:List splitting Ok, this may be a stupid question, butnhow do I get off this list since I have a Discovery, and how do I get on the new one? Thanks, John Maravilla (The internet ignorant one) '95 Discovery ------------------------------[ <- Message 80 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:18:07 -0800 Subject: Re: driving out the plushies-oopps I do appologise I did NOT mean for that message to go out to the entire list It was supposed to go to one person. I do appologise, I do appologise, I do appologise, I do appologise, I do appologise, I do appologise, I do appologise, I do appologise, I do appologise, I do appologise, I do appologise Ooooppps TeriAnn ------------------------------[ <- Message 81 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: space shuttle tiles Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:52:18 +1030 (CDT) Stage 1 Eric writes: > Just because I seriously considered getting a radar detector for my series > vehicle.....:) :) :) What I want is a speed camera detector, the local plod have a couple of incriminating photos of VRB-298.. (not as good as the LRW one though :-) John White suggests: > Why stop there? I'd check with NASA about getting some of those heat shield > tiles they use on the space shuttle. No thanks, stage 1's have enough cracked body panels as it is...... -- Daryl ------------------------------[ <- Message 82 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: driving out the plushies-oopps Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:59:31 +1030 (CDT) > Ooooppps Nah Nah nan Nah NaH, TerriAnn's got a new mailer, TerriAnn's got a new mailer. (dontchu just luv it when they upgrade to something "user friendly" you dont understand) It's OK "Mum" we understand. TerriAnn's got a new mailer, TerriAnn's got a new mailer.......... Your loving son -- Daryl ------------------------------[ <- Message 83 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:35:29 -0500 Subject: Re: driving out the plushies On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com wrote: >Upon reading Bills email about splitting the list this morning I put together > a boiler plate letter and have been forwarding it to Disco & RR posters. So >far only one flame. I'm on a campain to drive them there plushies off our >range. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)] >Your posting seem to have been accidently posted to the wrong Land Rover >List. Ether that or you missed the message from the list admin stating that >the list was officially split. > This list is for series Land Rover related subjects only. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] >Defender list. >Then as far as I'm concerned, the US Series aficionados, whom I admire greatly for their commitment and knowledge, will be separated from the rest of the world's Defenders, which are a part of the Series evolution. My custom-built 90 has little in common with the NAS90. If US buyers could order the type of Defender that comes here there would be no temptation to relegate the model to plushworthiness. The 300 Tdi 90 is the latest vehicle to carry the Series banner, as far as I'm concerned. To quote an interested bystander at the gas station recently: *Yes man, das da bes jeep you have* Like the USA, much of the world has had a hiatus in LR presence, but people here still recognize a 1995 90 as the next in line to the the models that were here 20 years ago. Sorry, but the Defender is a series vehicle in most of the world and I like the international aspect of the net. Allan Smith 300Tdi 90 el Galeon St. Lucia ------------------------------[ <- Message 84 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:38:00 -0800 (PST) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: List split, Boneshakers, Plushmobiles On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Jan Ben wrote: > Why put the D90/110 with the plushmobiles? (Does my vote count?)... > I think the split should be not along the "coils" vs. "leaves" line, > but along the "burmabright dash" vs. "burl" divide. Folks -- I trust you will take my following comments with a grain of salt, tongue in cheek, and in the spirit of camaraderie in which they are intended -- as I cannot resist a parting ramble on this subject. As someone who is rather irritated to find suddenly that the list is to be split (my fault since I have been ignoring all previous traffic on the subject thinking it's just the annual debate) I am glad that at least the Defenders will be in with the "plushmobiles". For the mechanical type questions this makes the most sense since the running gear is all nearly identical. For off roading discussions (and also sheer mechanical know-how) it will be a severe blow to lose the Series folks who (at least in the US) possibly do more of it than either type of modern machine -- since most Defenders here are currently status symbols exceeding Range Rovers in prestige. Regarding the "burmabright versus burl" divide, this phrase is an interesting new variant on the old and enjoyable series of veiled insults to the latter group by the former, generally in the context of defending the old as superior to the new. This is generally a one-way criticism (we seldom see "plushmobile" owners assaulting the behaviour of Series owners -- although such barbs could equally readily be composed. There isn't even a semi-derogatory name for Series machines that's equivalent to the oft-used "plushmobile" term). Even though we plushmobile folks have generally had the losing end of this exchange, despite my futile efforts to restore the balance, I will sorely miss this amusing aspect of the combined list. In order to provide some hope for the future of this debate, I hereby propose that counterparts to the "plushmobile" terminology be developed, possibly with a grant from the Ministry of Silly Names. It looks like the list is to be split along the Coil versus Cart spring lines, whereas the philosophical divide is more on the "BONESHAKER VERSUS PLUSHMOBILE" lines, with Defenders suffering an identity crisis and falling somewhere in between. In any case this "divide", such as it is, is more likely to be reduced if the groups stick together and keep communicating than if they are forced apart. So if the list has to be split it's good to include some Burmabright in with the Burl! So -- I vote for keeping the Defenders in with the Range Rovers and Discoverys if we must be split. My apologies for these sentimental ramblings John Brabyn Incorrigible plushmobile devotee ------------------------------[ <- Message 85 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:46:51 -0800 (PST) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: Snubbed by a Plushmobile This was a great message to read and expresses sentiments most of us share -- it will be sad to miss out on things like this in the future when in the immortal words of TeriAnn we plushies are driven off the Series turf!! (no offense taken TeriAnn!) Cheers and good wishes to all John Brabyn plushie who waves On Wed, 28 Feb 1996 SACME@aol.com wrote: > Thanks to all who responded, both directly to me and in the digest. > I think you all should know that I heard from the RR that snubbed me - a [ truncated by lro-digester (was 48 lines)] > Doug (taken the BB Pledge) Scott > 2 ea. Older Solihull Lumps (OSLs for the acronym inclined) ------------------------------[ <- Message 86 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com> Subject: RE: driving out the plushies (or snubbed by a series) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 17:24:18 -0800 >From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com[SMTP:TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com] >Subject: driving out the plushies [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] >our >range. If it weren't for my thick (aluminum) skin, those would sound like fightin' words. While I'm fundamentally opposed to changing things for the sake of PC-ness (Politically Correct)-ness, "on a campain (sic) to drive them there plushies..." has an ominous tone about it. :-( I thought we were all in this together. _____ /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA | _|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/Plushness is only upholstery deep. >From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com[SMTP:TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com] ------------------------------[ <- Message 87 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 01:49:06 UT From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> Subject: RE: Roadwheels needed I have a good set of 4 with BF Goodrich 31X15 on them, good tread for at least another 20K miles. These wheels came off a SIIA. 15" Mark ---------- From: WILLIAM ADAMS Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 1996 4:47 PM Subject: Roadwheels needed An expert in the field has informed me that I cannot run tubes in a tubeless tire for safety reasons. Since I have the riveted roadwheels I am now in the market for the welded kind so that I can install tubeless tires. Anyone with an extra wheel or two is invited to respond. Vehicle type is a 1966 S2A Diesel Station Wagon. I know that there are some out there hiding in a dark corner of of the garage. Grungy condition accepted. Bill Adams 3Dmentia computer animation 4016 Spruell Drive Kensington, MD 20895 301-949-9475 '66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel ...all there ------------------------------[ <- Message 88 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:11:14 From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Subject: Re: Joy riders crash-test 90 No, this is too wierd. I think you are making this one up. Besides, if it is for real, you deserve it for living on a tropical island while the rest of us throng suffer up here in the cold. Bill Adams 3Dmentia computer animation 4016 Spruell Drive Kensington, MD 20895 301-949-9475 '66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel ...all there ------------------------------[ <- Message 89 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:50:45 -0800 Subject: Re: List split, Boneshakers, Plushmobiles John, I really think defenders belong in both lists and I hope all Defender owners will join both lists and contribute to the plushie list for drive train & running gear stuff and the series list for body and soul. TeriAnn I know a new series car when I see one ------------------------------[ <- Message 90 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: spatzek@alaska.net Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 18:55:21 -0900 Subject: Re: tire step For the person looking for the wheel-steps (they fit over the front or rear wheel and let you reach the top of the roof) they can be found in any issue of LRO Magazine, the specific vendor is 4 x 4 Simmonites. Yes, these appear to be the same family that races every off-road major race in England. Paul Spatzek hopefully a Rover in the future ------------------------------[ <- Message 91 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: jpappa01@interserv.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:58:03 -0800 Subject: Re: What's the point? A program with a history of crummy credentials, NBC's *Dateline* has seen fit to be bribed, or em, er, *asked* to do a completely objective report on damage performance of sport utilities. All I can say is.... here we go again. Last year, *trucks* outsold *cars* in the USA. Think about it. Bigger vehicles, more mass, more weight, more force with distance, etc. etc. So they get and sustain some damage. Report didn't deal with crashworthiness and occupant protection. So perhaps the Insurance Institute is getting tired of paying claims out of the interest accrued by their zillions of premium-generated portfolios. More and more of these types of vehicles are around, so... surprise, more accidents. More claims. And of course, Dateline, fresh from their GM truck phonied-up camera work debacle, can't resist jumping in with both feet to generate some ratings on a dead and dying show. I'm really unclear as to what the show proved. The word *flimsy* is used to describe them because damage results to sheet metal when struck into a solid barrier. No sheet, shorelick! What about the robust undercarriage, heavy chassis, etc. Most 18-wheelers have fiberglass cabs that you can actually see flutter in the wind. I guess that these are *really flimsy* vehicles. Sheesh.... Another crusade. Just what we all need... cheerz Jim - sick and tired of the media trying to destroy anything that is doing well... `67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid `67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid `68 2B 110 F/C diesel `70 P6B 3500S `90 Range Rover County `93 D110 (#357/500) `93 D90 #1958 ------------------------------[ <- Message 92 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: David Scott Mary Ann <birddog@auburn.campus.mci.net> Subject: Europarts-gene Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:14:14 -0600 Lets not look over a fact. Gene at europarts was deceitful in his first = post. Nothing wrong with Capitalism on either side of the pond. There = is a hell of a lot wrong with dishonesty anywhere. Screw europarts.. = and here here to the digest member who exposed him! birddog ------------------------------[ <- Message 93 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:15:50 -0500 From: michelbe@login.net (Michel) Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest On Tuesday, Feb 27, Douglas wrote: >#2: Nissan has a similar TV add showing >their vehicle being chased by a Rhino, [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >and not at all treading lightly. >Kinda makes you think... Have you realized that in every single NISSAN add or picture featuring a Pathfinder, this particular truck has a full-equipped roof rack filled with luggage to the limit, although there is absolutely nothing inside the truck except for the driver. Looks like the Pathfinder has a lot of fuel to waste or a centre of gravity so low it can afford such luxury. I think their marketind department never left the pavement.... Michel Bertrand Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada 1963 109 PU (Rudolph) 1968 109 SW (ex-Mada, in the works) 1973 88 SW (21st century project) ------------------------------[ <- Message 94 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: William Terry <wterry@sartre.minerva.bah.com> Subject: Lists Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:31:44 -0500 (EST) I proposed this once before, but didn't seem to get much response. I've also seen related suggestions. To me the rro list represents a loss of comraderie as does the lists for locales. How about a suite of tech lists and a general owner's list? Such as: Series-tech RR-tech Def-tech and LR-enthusiasts The tech list would be just that. After all what percentage of RR tech is going to help me with my IIA? But the non-tech stories, humor, comraderie, etc. of RR owners is something I don't want to miss. I would sub to the Series-tech and LR-enthusiasts lists to get the parts of the LR correspondance I want without the traffic which doesn't apply to my situation or interest. I would get OZ stories about biltong and how to tune my Series carb. Someone who owns a RR and Def could get their useful tech and still get stuck, um, enjoy my stories without having to deal with my requests for technical help. To me list splits by vehicle or location splits the group. I'm suggesting splitting the list by topics of interest (and pertinance), and the group stays together for the general LR-enthusiasts topics. ______________W__i__l__l__i__a__m_____D__a__n_____T__e__r__r__y______________ How do we acquire wisdom along with all these shiny things? (David Brin) wterry@sartre.minerva.bah.com http://glenfiddich.minerva.bah.com:8062/CyberJungle.html MINERVA Development Team, Booz, Allen & Hamilton ------------------------------[ <- Message 95 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:39:16 -0500 (EST) From: John Antram <rewt@sover.net> Subject: Waving, Series VS New Rovers and other recent things. Series / RR / Discovery Waving: I wave at most every Solihull product I see; occasionally I can't tell it's a Discovery or new RR untill they're right next to me (headlights being so damned bright - is this why I don't get waved to? or is it that I'm already making a scene waving?) I think some people who aren't waving back are people that wouldn't fit in with the overall attitude of this list. These people bought thier Rovers for whatever reason but don't seem to understand much more then 'Its better then a j**p and it has leather' - Not a great loss IMHO. I continue to wave and make a scene when I see them, and leaving notes on windshields to join our new local Rover group if they're in town for a couple of days or more. So, if you're visiting Middlebury, Vermont - that's my note under your wiper. :) Splitting the List: I, for one - have both... and my father in law has an 89' RR so I'm interested in almost every post. ( I can't afford a Def90 (too!)) I don't think its a good idea no matter what the volume. Local Rover Group: We have just started a local group, and I'd like advice from other people who have worked in or setup groups; mainly, when did you become official with the State/Federal people? We have about 25 members and we hope to have hands-on repairs and with any luck, a driving day this summer and naturally we'll see everyone at Down East & British Invasion. My Series rover: After being called 'the worst' in respect to its mechanicals ( Frame, swivel balls, brake system etc etc ) my $500 rover is turning into a $6000 project. Not that I mind... even just a little driving around the field caused my friends and I to grin like idiots for hours. So, when it is paid for (tommorow) I hope to see it again soon. ( Yes, I wimped and had somone who knew what they were doing do my first frame-over and the springs and most of the other major things.) I'm not sure I'll be driving it when its -25F here in Vermont, but we'll see. John Antram rewt@sover.net RR 3 Box 888 Middlebury, VT 05753 1972 Land Rover Series III 88", sunrooves (badly improvised by PO), Red 1995 Land Rover Discovery, 5-speed, sunrooves, Roman Bronze 1987 Mercedes-Benz 300SDL, Anthracite Gray ------------------------------[ <- Message 96 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ASFCO@aol.com Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:58:14 -0500 Subject: Re: :Disco, SUV safety and Insurance costs John, What part of the country are you from?? Rgds, Steve ------------------------------[ <- Message 97 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: driving out the plushies-oopps Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 21:14:04 -0000 From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com> >I do appologise, I do appologise, I do appologise, I do appologise, I do >appologise, I do appologise, I do appologise, I do appologise, I do [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >Ooooppps >TeriAnn Don't worry TeriAnn, the Plushies Revenge will catch up with you one day (BTW, do you have some Lucas electronics in your computer? I thought you worked for Apple!) Hugo Plushie, Poupon and Proud of it. _______ //_/_|__\___ \_ - ___ - _d (o) (o) ------------------------------[ <- Message 98 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Pinzgauer Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 21:18:14 -0000 From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com> >heavens), I would hate to see the contract go abroad, too, EU or no EU. It >does not change the basic truth: the Pinzgauer is more specialized and >better off-road, and it is much more expensive for that reason. 'bout time we split out a Pinzgauer list, IMHO _______ //_/_|__\___ \_ - ___ - _d (o) (o) ------------------------------[ <- Message 99 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Vacuum Advance Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 21:35:50 -0000 From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com> >Vacuum advance is used to minimize pre-ignition in the cylinders >during acceleration due to increased combustion chamber temperatures >associated with that event. I think. I always understood that vacuum advance was an emission control thing. As somebody has already said, the timing needs to be advanced smoothly as rpm increases to ensure optimum combustion efficiency at all engine speeds. This is effected by weights in the distributor which move outwards by centrifugal force as rpm increases and physically rotate the points backwards slightly. This centrifugal advance means that at zero rpm (i.e. as the engine is started), the timing is sifgnificantly retarded (equal in fact to the static advance that you would dieal in with the timing light during tune up). While this is just fine for starting, it doesn't make for a very clean-burining idle. To meet current emissions regs, it's necessary to advance the timing somewhat while the engine is idling. The centrifugal advance doesn't really kick in significantly at idle. The vacuum advance system provides the necessary ignition advance by taking ported vacuum from the carburettor to give finer advance and hence emissions at idle and off-idle conditions. Once the throttle is opened, the vacuum signal to the vacuum advance drops to nothing, however by now the engine has begun to accelerate and the centrifugal advance has kicked in. There is never any significant vacuum advance under acceleration 'cos the throttle is open too far. _______ //_/_|__\___ \_ - ___ - _d (o) (o) ------------------------------[ <- Message 100 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:01:10 -0800 From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com> Subject: Re: Lists At 23:31 28.02.96 -0500, William Terry wrote: [snip] How about a suite of tech lists and a general owner's list? Such as: Series-tech RR-tech Def-tech and LR-enthusiasts The tech list would be just that. After all what percentage of RR tech is going to help me with my IIA? But the non-tech tories, humor, comraderie, etc. of RR owners is something I don't want to miss. ============================================ I like it! I like it! This makes more sense than chopping us up along purely model lines. Cheers! John '95 Discovery San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 101 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 02:37:19 -0500 From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice) Subject: Re: driving out the plushies-oopps TeriAnne sez.... >I did NOT mean for that message to go out to the entire list >It was supposed to go to one person. >Ooooppps - And we all thought it was just the West Coast List Police in action.... :) Cheers Mike ------------------------------[ <- Message 102 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:48:30 +0000 From: Arron <asd1@ukc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: space shuttle tiles All you need to protect yourself from Radar traps and speeding cameras is a special covering for your landy. I'm sure if you ask the Pentagon they will supply you with enough to cover your landy, just ask for the material that they cover the stelf bomber in. The material has a special quality that effectivly absorbs all the energy from enemy radar, just like impedance matching on our own internet links. The downside is its expensive and makes the stelf bloody difficult to fly, however it would have to be serious stuff to make a landy handle worse. arron ------------------------------[ <- Message 103 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 10:57:30 +0000 From: Arron <asd1@ukc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Lists Split the lists. Well how ? Instead of you type i.e. Series, Defender, RangeRover & Disc's, how about by DRIVER ATTITUDE. As I'am sure I'm gona affend here I'll make it short. Some drivers out there of LANDROVER products just sit on this list and BITCH about the state of the list ( use the delete key ). If you really intend to getr the list split up more try these cats.. Casual landy owners ( all types ) Serious off roaders ( series, ranges, defenders ) Green laners AND THE BITCHING REST Once again just delete the messages you dont want to read ( Crist you dont need a vast I.Q. toi grasp that idea ). Arron ------------------------------[ <- Message 104 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:28:16 +0000 From: Arron <asd1@ukc.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Lists Sorry about the typo errors in the last message but I was in a rush to get to a lecture. Arron ------------------------------[ <- Message 105 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer <Alan_Richer.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 29 Feb 96 6:38:39 EST Subject: jgoldman, are you out there? Sorry about the waste of bandwidth, but I have some manifold studs for him and a disk crash took my address book out....damn Lucas computers. ajr ------------------------------[ <- Message 106 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 6:48:02 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re:Re: driving out the plushies-oopps Well Terriann, just showing your true colors? Barnett ------------------------------[ <- Message 107 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960229 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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