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Subject: Re: Splitting the List.
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 01:54:51 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com> writes: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:34:18 -0700
>Any thoughts of splitting it into Series vehicles / RR, Disco?

Sometime not, long ago, the Range Rover Owner list was created by yours
truely, with little or no fanfare, and it has a rather small membership of
24 members, and almost no volume, quite useful really, always at the
ready for real work, (not unlike permanent 4wd :-). 

Veni,

Vini,

Vici, &

etcetera.

	The list is now *officially* split.

	You heard it here first.

	Majordomo will spell it out for you in the future.
	               ^^^^^^^^^^^^

	If rro gets enough spam (THIS IS NOT A CHALLENGE),
	then I'll make adjustments as necessary.

>From: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>Subject: Majordomo results

>>>> lists

	Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net serves the following lists:

  rro                  Range Rover (& 90"/110"/Disco) Owners                   
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  land-rover-owner     (Series) Land Rover Owners (world-wide, real-time)      
                        ^^^^^^
  lro-digest           LRO mail in Digest form (<- START HERE !)               
  lro-digest-ltd       LRO Digest Limited (split into pieces)                  

  au-lro               Austrailia & New Zealand LRO (real-time)                
  eu-lro               European LROs (real-time)                               
  za-lro               South African LROs (real-time)                          

  uk-lro               UK & IE LROs (real-time)                                
  uk-lro-digest        UK & IE LROs Daily Digest                               

  uk-arc               Association of Rover Clubs (UK)                         
  uk-arc-nr            Attending the next ARC National Rallye                  

    Ciao,
        --bill  	caloccia@OpenMarket.com
                 http://www.OpenMarket.com/personal/caloccia/
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   R  1  3  2wd  H             L  3     
   +--|--|   o   |             |  2
      2  4  4wd  L             H  1
   '63 SIIa RHD 88"       '90 RR County
      793-PTA 

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:09:28 -0500
From: michelbe@login.net (Michel)
Subject: Bleedeing a dual master system (series)

I have installed a new brake master cylinder (dual type) on my 109. The last
time I installed a servo-assisted brake master cylinder, I just had to pump
the pedal a few times and the system was bled. Now, I'm trying to do that,
but it's not working. Is there something I'm missing, or will I have to go
through the bleeding procedure. I am mostly afraid to shear the bleeding
nipples if I have to go through this bloody procedure. Does anybody out
there have any suggestions?

Thanks, merci beaucoup!

Michel Bertrand

1963 109 PU (Rudolph)
1968 109 SW (ex-Nada, in the works)
1973 88 SW (21st century project)

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 07:39:59 PST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Looking for LR

Hello all,
 I am in need of some help to locate a late IIa or III 88". ....snip.... I 
have been looking since Sept. but buying a car over the phone is not an easy 
task. Appreciate ANY help you may have, J.B. Kropp  Kropp_J@Denison.edu

JB-
The first thing you should do is tell everybody where you live and how far you 
are willing to travel. I live in DC and have seen a few on this list that would 
be well within reach. If you aren't willing to travel very far to look at a 
vehicle then you will be limited. Buying over the phone is NOT a good idea, 
unless you have somebody that you really trust look over the car. These things 
can be real basket cases.

Cheers/Good Luck

Dave Bobeck
'72 SIII "Green Car"
Washington DC
dbobeck@ushmm.org

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From: NEIL AYLOTT <JZD5NASA@cardiff.ac.uk>
Date:          Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:34:08 GMT
Subject:       Posters

Hi out there,
     I'm a student in Cardiff (Wales) who is faced with a huge problem 
- the walls in my flat are bare & my Land Rover is at my parents home 
(a 3 hour drive away). 
Does anybody on the mailing list in the UK know where I can buy Land 
Rover posters (e.g. Camel Trophy) to make my student life more 
enjoyable? Please E-mail me on Aylott@cardiff.ac.uk

Your help will be gratefully appreciated

Neil Aylott
Aylott@cardiff.ac.uk 

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 07:57:26 PST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Lumiweld

David Cockey wrote with questions about aluminum "brazing" rods...
sometimes called "Lumiweld" though there are a handful of others. ...snip....

I have been able to patch up .50 cal 
holes punched in beer cans with a chisel.  

Really, Sandy, I think this a little excessive. Where I'm from they always give 
me new ones at the store...

Dave "either that or you're really bored" B.

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Europart Web Page
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 08:14:00 EST

If Europart are plagiarizing the OVLR /FAQ pages and have a link to the 
Series aftermarket page. Why not add a reference to this action of theirs to 
the Series Page?  We're all doing this for fun and fellowship. Profit has 
its place but not here, or there when using "stolen" data.

Trevor Easton 

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Hand Cranks
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 08:23:00 EST

A further use for the hand crank is by those of us who can't afford or don't 
want a winch. With the vehicle in low first it is possible, if one is fit 
and patient, to slowly wind out of situations where the use of the engine 
only results in wheelspin.

Trevor"puff, pant, grunt, groan" Easton

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:25:15 EST
From: steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com
Subject: biltong

  
From: Steve Reddock
Subject: biltong
All this talk if ostrich steaks, Castle beer and stuff has me keen
to go back to the RSA.
  
Do you have any special deals arranged to allow an impoverished
ex-Johanian to get there?
  
Cheers, Steve
  
Steve Reddock, Xyratex       | Just as he thought he had
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450     | clinched the interview he was
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)           | visited by the ghost of Usenet
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | Postings Past.

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:29:15 EST
From: steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com
Subject: Lady Di's wiring

  
From: Steve Reddock
Subject: Lady Di's wiring
"Only a super human could re-wire this thing."
  
Now you tell me!  My lightweight is in a similar state, no body
work, bulkhead, steering, gearbox, wires or anything.
  
Time will tell if I am super human!
  
Why are my underpants outside my trousers???
  
Steve Reddock, Xyratex       | Just as he thought he had
Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450     | clinched the interview he was
IBMMAIL (GBXYR96P)           | visited by the ghost of Usenet
Steve_Reddock@uk.xyratex.com | Postings Past.

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 05:40:00 -0800
Subject: Re: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet

On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell) wrote:

>Ummm, I'd say it *was* bad. His post is nothing more than thinly veiled
>spam. And illegal copyright-violation-ridden spam at that.  

Welcome to the real world....one where economic activity is driven by something 
other than military grants.  The copyright issues aside, I welcome informational 
posts like this on the net.  We all have to buy parts for our Rovers, why not be 
informed as to the various options?  And if someone happens to be affiliated 
with that company, so what?  I would certianly recommend that one be up front 
with their affiliations, though.  There is a bad taste when 'testimonials' are 
so thinly veiled.

Spam is the BS that we get from Krazy Kev that is a scam to begin with (e-mail 
or otherwise) and has not relation to the list topic, not an advert for a 
product or service that we truly need.  This flow of information will only serve 
to lower parts prices and get the Rover Owner the best possible service.  If 
someone wants otherwise, I believe that Cuba still practices a centrally 
controlled economy.....no Rovers, though.

Eric

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:46:43 GMT
From: u9502831@bournemouth.ac.uk (Benjamin Archer)
Subject: Re: Mercedes G

Shall we correct this minor misunderstanding?  The Pinzgauer is a competant
offroad truck, although it is cosnsiderably more expensive per unit that the
Lr.  The army have had LR's since the early days so spares are availible
easily, army mechanics are competant with the defender already which saves
the retraining for the pinzauer (yes I know they have relaced the 101).  The
crew accomodation and medical accomodation in the wolf are far superior to
anything that the Austrians provide (afterall it is an ambulance).  To
conclude all the pointers show that the wolf is the more sensible option
before you even come close to looking at the political implications of the
verdict. 
        Calling our government unfair for choosing the superior wolf is to
be blind to the facts, upto =A3500m worth of orders relied on the purchace=
 of
=A3200m worth of home grown produce.  As to the claim that the Austrian is
superior is misquoting the facts,  the Austrian was considdered the "Gold
Plated Option," and unnecessarily costly for the role of a field ambulance.
        I hope that straightens thing out slightly.

>On Sat, 24 Feb 1996 lopezba@atnet.at wrote:
>> are Made in Austria, by the way, if I may say so, by Steyr-Daimler-Puch=

 who
>> should have gotten the contract for the British Army ambulances because=
 the
>> Pinzgauer is *vastly* superior to the D130 in many ways, but the Brits=
 are
>> *so* unfair.
>	My understanding was that MOD did pick the Steyr..., but politics
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>	My understanding was that MOD did pick the Steyr..., but politics
>	intruded...
Ben Archer
SIII '88 (PHP414M)
u9502831@bournemouth.ac.uk
01428 642560

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Date: 27 Feb 96 08:57:45 EST
From: Lars Rosenmeier <100670.3705@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re:2.5l VM Turbo Diesel

Hi Matthew,

I have owned a 1987 Range Rover 2.4l VM turbo diesel which i sold to a Land
Rover dealer in 1990. The dealer was particularly interested in knowing whether
the studs for the individual heads had been changed under warranty, because the
original studs were not up to the job. I seems that they got longer and longer
because the wrong material had been used for the studs. The studs were changed
under warranty at the first oilchange and i had no problems at all with the car
during my ownership. I would expect that the 2.5l engine didnt have this  The
only complaint i have regarding the VM turbo diesel is that you tend to do a lot
of gearchanging when in high-range since not much happens below 2500 revs. On
the other side you get a very good mileage: I always got between  9 and 10
l/100km.

	yours
	
	 Lars

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Date: 27 Feb 96 09:13:48 EST
From: Lars Rosenmeier <100670.3705@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: Avon Rangemaster

Hi all

It is my experience that Avon Rangemaster 215/75-16 is a better tire than
Michelin X M+S 205-16, at least when i had them fitted to my Range Rover turbo
diesel back in 1988. The handling on-road is better and the ride is much better
because they are not bouncing around like the Michelins. Off-road both tires are
about equal.  I have no experience with the Michelin X M+S 244, so whether that
tire is better than the Avon i do not know. The Michelin X M+S dates back to the
seventies - i think it was made specially for the Range Rover. The Avon
Rangemaster is more of an eighties tire (i think).

Yours

Lars

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:10:08 GMT
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
From: flo8@usa.pipeline.com (Flo)

I've recently moved to South Florida from the British Virgin Islands where
I had the pleasure to own 2 SWB Series III's, one of which I did a
chassis-up rebuild.  I am now suffering from LR withdrawl symptoms.   
 
I'm contemplating on importing an ex-Ministry-of-Defense Series III
Lightweight.  Is this possible with the EPA and DOT regulations? 
Can I import it minus the engine and then re-engine with a suitable
domestic V6 or V8 that would pass the emissions test?  Is the Rover 3.5 V8
based on a US engine? 
 
Also, If I do this I'm going to have to something about the rear axle. 
Will a Range Rover axle fit a Lightweight?  I've changed enough half-shafts
in my life.   
 
Anybody got any suggestions on the above?  By the way, my rebuilt Series
III SWB is still for sale, if anyone's looking to move to the British
Virgin Islands. 
 
Frogman  

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:25:47 -0500 (EST)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Series IIa: Backfiring

Anyone know what is making my '69 SRIIa backfire...actually more like a
putt-putt? The problem is intermittent. The timing is right on and valves
are adjusted properly. Had a new head and all new valves, springs, et al
installed last summer. Could a small crack in the intake manifold cause
this? Carb is Zenith 34IVE.

Chris Stevens
Towson, MD

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 06:33:27 -0800
Subject: Re: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet 

Ben,
Have you been putting copyright notices on everything?  If yes you can ask
them to cease and remove your stuff or pay you a refirbishment of your 88.
 Otherwise you just put all that stuff in the public domain.

TeriAnn

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From: Andy Marshallsay <axmarsha@lag.mobil.com>
Subject: Mr. Lucas bites my Discovery
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 15:46:24 GMT

I use the term Mr. Lucas to apply to all Land Rover electrical maladies,
maybe unfair when a UK spec 94/95 Disco TDi is the vehicle is question with all
their foreign bits, but it sure seems that Lucas still has a guiding
hand ;-)

A couple of problems have arisen in my first couple of months of
ownership. They have been brought forth in my memory by reading an old
issue of LRO, a stateside vehicle proudly displayed the sticker
	Why do the British drink warm beer ?
	Because they have Lucas refrigerators

Seems reasonable.

I had a headlamp leveling motor continuously wirring away, even though I
didn't ask for the headlamps to be leveled. I had to cut a wire rather
than let something burn out. I heard some American owners having
problems with these, can anyone enlighten me on the details, or do I
just need another motor.

The tachometer now sways over a range of about 1500rpm, it was rock
steady when I first bought it. 
	Is the sender prone to failure/bad contact? 
	Where is the sender ? 
I've looked under that bonnet for more time than I care to think about 
with a bemused grin on my face, thinking "I don't understand Turbo 
Diesel Injection Electronic this, new fangled that"

Any clues as to where these electrical bugs can be found.

     ______________
    /______________\
   /    /      /    \
   |   /      /     |
 __|__o______o______|__
/__|________________|__\     94 Discovery Facelift
   ||  |        |  ||        Black 3 door Tdi (As yet un-named)
   ||  |     o  |  ||        Too difficult to draw, need a Series Trials rig ;-)
  [==================]
   \________________/
   ||||          ||||
   \||/          \||/
--
FROM:
        Andy Marshallsay
------------------------------------+------------------------------------------
DISCLAIMER:                         | Tel/Fax   UK      +44 1202 582379
Any comments or statements made are |
not those of Mobil Corporation, its | email     Mobil   axmarsha@lag.mobil.com 
subsidiaries or affiliates          | 
                                    | 

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 09:48:12 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: D90 Leak (was Re: Series Washing... "The Car Wash Leak")

 
  At yet another visit to the shop for stalling problems (you may 
  remember my 44 day nightmare posting) a field eng from LRNA found
  water in the 90's main relay.  It probably got in through the
  psngr side air vent (durring washing ?).  Water must have run down 
  the firewall and then dripped down into the relay. Anyway, the
  eng. relocated the relay to a spot away from the firewall near
  ECU. He also taped over the relay where it meets with the socket
  and packed the back of the socket with grease. The fuel pump
  relay also received this treatment.  I've fabricated a bracket
  out of some alum. to hold them better in the new location so they
  don't rattle around. Hopefuly they will stay dry now.

  The 90 seems to be free of stalling probs now. Hooray!!  However,
  still runs rough at idle.  The coil and distrib pickup module
  were changed by the dealer tech durring another visit, but made
  no differance (fishing at LRs expense).  I'm going to closely check
  the wires, rotor, cap, pickup air gap, etc., when I get a chance.

  Rob
  94 D90

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:01:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet 

On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote:

> >  YIKKES!!  They have a link to our Series Aftermarket Parts page.
> >  ....I thought no-one ever read that!
> 	Wow, they are updating quickly.  That wasn't there last time I checked.
> I wonder how long until they start selling your list to their customers?

	Wonder how long it will be before they discover the alternate
	parts pages in the FAQ...  :-)

Dixon Kenner                                    (819) 997-1107
Canadian Forestry Service                       Natural Resources Canada

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:18:38 -0800
Subject: Re: Bleedeing a dual master system (series)

Michel
You didn't mention if you have a PDM in your brake circuit.  If you do,
stomping on the brakes will close off the circuit you have open and keep
fluid from going into it untill you manually reset the PDM.

You mention you have a 109.  May I assume you used a 109 master dual cylinder
& not the 88?  The 109 master cylinder has a thicker metal body then steps
down to a smaller diameter for the half of the body farthest from the
booster.  The reason for this is one cylinder has a larger internal diameter
to provide more volume of pumped fluid to the 109's dual front wneel
cylinders.  The 88 brake master has the same diameter from the flange
outward.  The 88 only has one cylinder per wheel all the way around.

On the 109, the front brake is pumped from the master cylinder closest to the
booster, which is oposit the way the 88 is plumbed.

The 88 master cylinder does not pump enough fluid to do justice to the dual
brake cylinders up front.  Please make sure you have the right one.

I'm puzzled by your saying you are afraid of sheering the bleeding nipples.
 The bleed screws do not need to be torqued down heavily.  

If they are stuck in place from grunge, I would advise you to go through the
wheel cylinders and replace all your brake fluid before getting back on the
road.  Brake fluid, except for silicon, absorbs water and should be replaced
a couple times a year anyway.  Reusing old fluid in a new master cylinder
will shorten the life of the new cylinder (Sorry you didn't say much about
the brake job you did so I'm assuming the worst for discussion sake).

Also..... The 109 has two brake adjusters in the rear unlike the 88 I've been
told (firmly).  If you put the leading shoe on the rear and the trailing shoe
on the front of the backplate the shoes will never tighten before the peg on
the shoe falls off the adjuster cam.  This also means more travel at the
brake pedal.

You should use just the minimum torque to shut the bleed screws.

Assuming you have the correct master cylinder, new fluid, rebuilt or new
wheel cylinders all  the way around with easily openable bleed screws and
your rear brake shoes are on properly.... Lets get to your question,

Yes you need to bleed the brakes.  I personally think series LR brakes are
best bled under pressure.  You apply air pressure and a secondary fluid
resavor to the master cylinder, go to each wheel, open the bleed screw and
close it when there are no more air bubbles.  This works extreamly well on
clutch cylinders too.  You can purchase an E-Z bleed system and use your
spare tyre, bled down to 10 pounds pressure or you can pirchase a good
quality pressure bleeder from a  company like Snap on.  They are high margin
items but make the bleeding job faster and often more complete.

The way without special tools is open the wheel cylinder, press down on the
pedal, look to see if there are air bubbles coming out, close the cylinder,
lift the pedal.  If there were air bubbles repeat process else go to next
cylinder.  This takes two people.  If you have a PDA in the circuit you need
to depress the pedal slowly to keep from activating the PDA.

Bottom line is yes you need to bleed the circuit or pay someone else to do
it.  Just make sure everything is right before hand.

TeriAnn

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 10:34:24 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: New source for LR parts(Europarts)

Hi all,

I read the posts this morning on Europarts. What's going on? Is this not a 
 reputable business? They are advertising "genuine" LR parts, is this not 
the case? Has anyone had a bad experience dealing with them?

Regards,
Barnett

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From: Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com
Date: 27 Feb 96 10:44:47 -0500
Subject: ARB Working On SRS Bull Bars

I recently received a letter from ARB/USA in response to my query as to 
whether or not their bumpers and bull bars affect SRS (air bags) operation.

1. They indicated that the current bumpers/bars had a "slight" impact on SRS 
operation. Further details and elaboration were not provided.

2. They indicated that they are currently working on SRS-approved 
bumpers/bars.

Mark

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:53:49 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Europarts

All,

I think the point of this discussion has less to do with the Europarts
business than it does with this individual's apparent lack of common sense
in representing himself as a satisfied customer when in fact he is closely
affiliated with (or is, in fact, Europarts itself) and then taking, without
permission or discussion, images that are clearly not his and using them
for corporate/personal gain. 

At this point, one has to wonder if the business is run with the same
sense of ethics as the "testimonial" and transfer of Copyright images, and
take (or not take) apopropriate action when deciding who to do buisness
with, sight unseen. 

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, barnett childress wrote:

> I read the posts this morning on Europarts. What's going on? Is this not a 
>  reputable business? They are advertising "genuine" LR parts, is this not 
> the case? Has anyone had a bad experience dealing with them?

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <boehmed@iscg.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 11:04:00 PST

There is an add running in LROI showing a
green '96 D90 SW being chased by a Rhino.
(This month's LROI shows footage from the
photo shoot where the Rhino, his name is
Tank, became cranky and plowed into the
rear of the 90)

Two points:
#1: The 90 is on a dirt path, therefore
treading lightly. (actually, in the photo
shoot, the Rhino pushed the 90 off
the road, but it's okay because he
was just playing.)
#2: Nissan has a similar TV add showing
their vehicle being chased by a Rhino,
and not at all treading lightly.

Kinda makes you think...

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2747
boehmed@iscg.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:35:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Alan Hood <alanh@merlin.nhmccd.cc.tx.us>
Subject: RR models

In a Range Rover besides, the crome bumpers and finer interior, what
is the difference in the "plain" RR
s and the County
s interior?? 
1990) model

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From: Carl Byrne <SPECBB@cardiff.ac.uk>
Date:          Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:04:57 GMT
Subject:       300TDI DIESEL

I understand that the 300 TDI is available to the military in 3 litre 
capacity. In fact I was told that the 200 TDI was redesigned to be 
3ltr but is sold to the private market in 2.5ltr capacity. Why 
doesn't Solihull sell (yet?) 3ltr 300 TDI Discoveries? Is the engine 
3ltr in the Range-Rover?

I know there are a few UK companies boring out the 2.5ltr 300TDI out 
to 3ltr.

Regards Carl

1949 SI
1995 Discovery 300 TDI

Dr. Carl Byrne
University of Wales College of Cardiff,
Wales.
UK.

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:16:18 -0800
From: Vince Bobba <vincebobba@neurondata.com>
Subject: Re: disco manual for sale

At 11:46 PM 2/26/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Please call to discuss 800.876.4900 x1528#. Thanks, Vince Bobba
>FOR SALE:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>Disco 3-piece Genuine Carpet Floor Mat for US$50.00 - new, came with purchase
>If interested, please respond back by e-mail.  Thank you.

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:33:15 -0500
From: al045@freenet.carleton.ca (Dale Desprey)
Subject: Diesels

Mike Smith <ecrover@midcoast.com> muttered

- Dear all,
- Read an emial from Dale D. today that stated a Rover
2.25 diesel was overkill. Overkill for a Corgi toy Rover maybe!
You've got to be kidding me! You can't think that 62 horsepower
is anywhere near adequate for a Rover! 

I can and I do.  

- We had a 109 3 door diesel recently, good strong engine, it
would pull down a house low end, but top end was absolutely the
stupidest thing I have ever driven in my life. 

One thing about Land Rover diesels is that they will run out of
tune, with a worn injection pump and badly adjusted injectors. 
They will seem to be good strong engines when the reality is
that they have been poorly maintained.   You have had an
experience with one diesel Land Rover? 
   
- As far as how fast a Rover should go... It should go as fast
as you want it to go,

I disagree.  Series vehicles were not designed to perform like
sports cars.  

- and the top end of a 2.25 diesel Rover is not good for much on
road use at todays speeds.

This past weekend, on a test run, mine was doing 70 mph.  Yes,
the speedo is accurate!  This is faster than I need or want to
go in my series rig.

- I agree that diesel Rovers have their place, they are the
best in some situations, especially off road, but are not a
well rounded vehicle.

I did say that they were not for short trips to the grocery
store and back.  I think that "well rounded" is a very personal
test depending on the intended use of the vehicle. 

- Dale, if you truly think an old 2.25 diesel is overkill, then
I wonder why Rover invented the Tdi and such...I guess they are
just trying to kill us all with the blinding overkill speeds
that these diesel Rovers put out. 

That is not a fair analogy.  We all know that the 2.25 l diesel
and petrol was derived from the 2l diesel,  then evolved into
the 2.5 n/a diesel and petrol and then Tdi.  I would love to
have a 90 Tdi.

- What next... Lucas electrical systems just too trouble free!!
        Give me a break.

Another  advantage of diesels.  We don't have to depend on them
to run the engine.
 
- Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.
####

--
Dale Desprey                  Al045
"Of course it burns oil, Officer, it's a diesel"

------------------------------

Subject: Re: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet 
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:16:04 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <bulk.23438.19960227063242@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you wrote:

> Have you been putting copyright notices on everything?  If yes you can ask
> them to cease and remove your stuff or pay you a refirbishment of your 88.
>  Otherwise you just put all that stuff in the public domain.

	Technically, everything is always copywrited unless the author 
specifically states that a certain file or image is in the public domain.  
Putting a copywrite notice on things make it easier if you try to protect
your work, but the lack of one doesn't forfeit your right.

	Besides, do you know how trivial it is to remove a copyright notice 
from an image?  Tools such as Adobe Photoshop make it even more trivial.  It's
not that hard to change the dates on files either.  So it would be really
hard to prove who had any given image first (unless you happen to have the
negatives--like I do).  

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:43:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: Unleaded in SD1s

Re Dave Tinley's comment:

I have 2 SD1s (both 1980). Both say "Use unleaded fuel". That's what I've 
always used. No problems.

The sump on an SD1 is shallower than on a RR, so maybe that's why hill 
climbing with an SD1 V8 is a problem in a RR.

...chris haslam
montreal, canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:48:08 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Diesel overkill my ...

Dear All,
        Mike Rooth wrote that diesel 2.25 Rover engines are only designed
to go so fast. Well Mike, you are right, but in no way can the speeds and
power output of that engine and Rover combination be looked at as overkill.
A Rover will go much faster, and safely than the 2.25 diesel will throw it.
I'd hate to ride on a long trip in the US with you if you think that a
Rover's top speed was designed to be safely used at only about 50 mph. In
the US today 50 mph on the highway is actually quite dangerous. My 2.25
petrol is quite safe in stopping power etc at 65 mph, and people that I
know have V8 Rovers that the running gear, axles etc. are quite similar to
a Diesel Rover, and they go quite nicely at US highway speeds. Ask Eric Z.
if he sticks to 50 mph in his Rover, NOT. The axles etc will handle the
speed, and I don not believe that a Rover was designed to go only 50 mph.
As far as the Tdi into a Series Rover, that is not what I said. The
statement was that if the 2.25 is such overkill, why has Land Rover seen it
fit to further design new more powerful engines and put them in new
vehicles. Sorry but I'm not going to plod along at 50, then slow to 30 on a
hill. The engine is an old design, and has its uses, but it is in no way
overkill.

Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.

------------------------------

From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 09:57:07 -0800
Subject: Re: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet

> Spam is the BS that we get from Krazy Kev that
>  is a scam to begin with (e-mail or otherwise)
> and has not relation to the list topic, not an advert for a 
product or service that we truly need.

Eric I disagree.  This guy evidently misrepresented himself
just like Karzy Kev.  He tried to mislead you. I don't think
its OK, and I will not purchase any product from this
company for two reasons: 1. He tried to mislead the list
to get business.  2. The company plagrized from existing
web sites with out first asking for and obtaining
permission.  If there are no copyright notices
properly posted, he can legally do that, but it would
have been polite to ask before taking.  All this spells
a company that lacks integrity that might puropsly
mislead you to make a sale.

If thy are as sleazy as they look, they are not getting any of 
my money

TeriAnn

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 11:54:16 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: '91 RR  rolling chassis FS - NE US

Sorry if you've seen this before,
It didn't seem to show up in my digests:

'91 100" frame, axles, brakes(4 discs), propshafts, coils,shocks,
PAS steering gear, gas tank.  
66k miles, no rust.  $2300
Jan
(908)949-9537w, 872-9641h

------------------------------

From: iharper@afm.org
Subject: Paint Codes
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 13:25:13 EST

Dose anyone have the paint code for the bronze green that was used on 1974 
Series III's?   Also, any advice on good sources (Canadian) would be 
helpful....

Thanks, Ian
iharper@afm.org

---
                                              .

------------------------------

From: iharper@afm.org
Subject: Vacuum Advance
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 13:25:15 EST

Can anyone explain to me the Vacuum advance?  I know the principles, ie it 
advances the timing under acceleration to increase efficiency, but how 
does one adjust it properly?   I know that the knurled knob will advance 
or retard it, but how do you set it initially, if you think there may be a 
problem?   

If I adjust the timing, does it matter where the VA is set initially, or 
do I then just take whatever point it is at as setting 0?  I have my 
suspicions that it may not be advancing it far enough as the revs pick up, 
as there is virtually no vacuum (on the guage....totally unrelated I 
realize) at the carb intake. If I ease my foot off the gas so there is 
about 5 lbs vacuum, the truck begins to deccelerate.  Surely this isn't 
right even for a Rover (SIII engine recently overhauled..great 
compression!)

Also, does the VA hose come off of the carb throat (like the vacuum guage) 
or the exhaust manifold (like the brake servo)?  I've tried it both ways, 
and it SEEMS to run better when taken from the exhaust manifold....does 
this indicate that I have a problem?

If anyone has run into this before, let me know.   Everytime I adjust the 
points, timing etc., the engine will be fine, and then all of a sudden, 
while idling, the revs will either drop to 400 and stall, or up to 1300 
and race.   Any ideas?

Thanks, Ian
iharper@afm.org

---
                                              .

------------------------------

From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:44:06 -0800
Subject: Re: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet 

I took a look at the web pages in question.  I have no problem with the
yellow pages as it mentions that they are on other web sites.

But it sure looks like the main page is part of Lloyd's web pages the way the
Links are set up.  He makes lloyds web pages look like a part of his Web
pages.  I think there should be a reference in there stating that the hot
spot goes to Lloyds pages.

It is a lovely picture of Spot though.  Its a shame that the photographer
didn't get credit of Bruce a bi-line since its his car.

Its a nice looking set of pages.  Its a shame he stold it from a number of
sources.

Its also interesting that I didn't see any parent company name or any real
information about this company.  Somehow it doesn't feel legit

Not feeling good about this lovely site

TeriAnn

------------------------------

Subject: Re: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet 
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:51:26 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

TerriAnn wrote:

> 2. The company plagrized from existing
> web sites with out first asking for and obtaining
> permission.  If there are no copyright notices
> properly posted, he can legally do that, but it would
> have been polite to ask before taking.  

	I won't waste all of your bandwidth with lots of quotes.
Look at: 
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/faq/usenet/law/Copyright-FAQ/top.html
It is also regually posted to the Usenet groups news.misc and news.answers

	Two quick quotes are:

--begin quote----------------
1)  "If it doesn't have a copyright notice, it's not
    copyrighted."

    This was true in the past, but today almost all major
    nations follow the Berne copyright convention.  For example,
    in the USA, almost everything created privately after April 1,
    1989 is copyrighted and protected whether it has a notice or not.

[snip]

3) "If it's posted to Usenet it's in the public domain."

   False.  Nothing is in the public domain anymore unless the
   owner explicitly puts it in the public domain(*).  Explicitly,
   as in you have a note from the author/owner saying, "I grant
   this to the public domain."  Those exact words or words very
   much like them.

[snip and obligatory legal insert found with the Copyright FAQ]

   Permission is granted to freely copy this
   document in electronic form, or to print for
   personal use.  If you had not seen a notice
   like this on the document, you would have to
   assume you did not have permission to copy it.
   This document is still protected by you-know-
   what even though it has no copyright notice.
 
--end quote----------------

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:21:11 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Codes /Series Vehicles

At 01:25 PM 2/27/96 EST, Ian <iharper@afm.org> wrote:
>Dose anyone have the paint code for the bronze green that was used on 1974 
>Series III's?   Also, any advice on good sources (Canadian) would be 
>helpful....

 Ian,

 Take a look at the Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:
 http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 
     Description       Rover No.  DuPont   Ditzler  Glasurit  RM-Supermax  

     Pastel Green      RTC4041A   38504*            ROV-605   RV-028
     Bronze Green      RTC4042A   38500*   46451    LEY-637   RV-027

 *For DuPont add suffix "A" for Centari Acrylic Enamel, "L" for Laquer,
 or "D" for "DuLux" Alkyd Enamel.

 There are also links to the RoverWeb/OVLR pages with other information.

 Cheers,

                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:03:21 -0500
From: veal@execulink.com (Tim Veal)
Subject: Wanted: SOFT TOP (swb)

        I just picked up a 1967 series IIa short wheelbase Land-Rover... I
just couldn't take life after selling my old RHD Series III... so I picked
this one up.  It's apparently a Swiss model (German owners manual even!) but
I really don't know any history on it at all.  The VIN is 24428242C, so if
anyone could enlighten me on what this might have been like new, or what it
should/shouldn't have on it, I would be greatful!
        The rover presently has a hard top, with fixed side windows and the
small window on the rear hatch (yes it has a tailgate...) so I thought I
might like to fit a soft-top.  I found on my series III that removing the
hard-top made a REMARKABLE difference in performance in gas milage... and I
like the look of soft-tops.  Anyone know where I could pick one up?  I have
a price for a green top with side windows and the hardware kit (all new) for
around $1200 Canadian.  I might consider a used one...... anyone?
        Also- if you know where I could find the information on my rover,
please e-mail me:
veal@execulink.com

Thanks,
        Tim Veal, London Ontario.

"What a long, strange trip it's been..."
                                                             Garcia, 1970.

------------------------------

Date:     Tue, 27 Feb 96 14:05:43 EST (1905Z)
From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil>
Subject:  Transmission Exchange (slightly long)

To all,

Just got through reading the Feb issue of the Ottawa
Valley Newsletter.  For those who aren't a member/don't
get the newsletter, you are really missing out!

Dixon - You are doing a GREAT JOB!!

The madness behind this posting came from an article in
the newsletter by Andrew Taylor.  He talks about doing
a frame over, and in the process turns the frame over to
get at the axles.

A friend's father ran an outback garage in Western Australia
up until a few years ago.  Seems that in the early 60's, the
Australian Army was having manuevers and a convoy passed the
garage.  At the tag end was the breakdown truck towing a
Series I with a ratched transmission.  Convoy commander left
the vehicle and two Squaddies to wait on a transmission from
Perth.  Couple of days later, civilian truck passing through
drops off a crated transmission.  Garage owner says he can
get to the job in a day or so.  Squaddies, being the good
soldiers, said "No problem mate, can we borrow the tools to
do the job ourselves?"  Tools produced, Squaddies push the
truck around back of the shop, roll the truck on its side,
and proceed to replace the box, without a lift, in about
45 minutes.  Roll the truck upright, oil in the gearcase,
return the tools, thank the owner and drive off into the
sunset!  My friend's father said it was the fastest he'd
ever seen it done, but more remarkedly was that the Rover
started on the first try, and seemed to run fine after having
all the oil, etc. in a most unusual position for an extended
length of time!

'til later,

Larry

------------------------------

From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:41:05 -0600
Subject: Series Washing

Hi everyone.

I will forever keep my Rover clean. After the hell I'm going through right now
replacing this frame, I *KNOW* what rust will do to this.

Sure, I live in the rust belt, and it came from another part of the rust 
belt. Salt is not just for the table around here.

But in any climate, dirt and mud underneith trap moisture and promote rust. 
Also, coast living (sea salt) also corrodes those frames and bulkhead. 

Jeff laments that after pressure washing his rover it wouldn't start. Same 
thing happened to me last spring. I did the distributor trick, but it was 
also dry. It ended up that my coil wire had worked loose at the coil (why in 
the wash I don't know).

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

------------------------------

From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:59:36 -0600
Subject: Re: Its too loud in here...

> Also, the volume on this list seems TREMENDOUS! Any thoughts of splitting
> it into Series vehicles / RR, Disco?

Is this an echo?

Hope you got your asbestos undies on...

:-)

Tim 
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 
SW

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:46:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Wanted: SOFT TOP (swb)

On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Tim Veal wrote:

> like the look of soft-tops.  Anyone know where I could pick one up?  I have
> a price for a green top with side windows and the hardware kit (all new) for
> around $1200 Canadian.  I might consider a used one...... anyone?

	Mike Buonanduci (Bradford Vt) has softtops (no hardware that I know
	of) for US$290.  802-439-5815

------------------------------

From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:09:36 -0600
Subject: Frame Replacement Log: Week 7

Week 7

Things are still progressing slower than I had hoped, but at least they
are still moving. 

The weather cooperated last week, which was a nice switch.

First task was get the second front frame bushing in. Again, I cut
it in half. I also heated the frame (with a 500 watt lamp while
I was cutting the bush) and cooled the bush after cutting (by tossing
it into a baggie then into the snow) for 30 minutes. This made it
relativly painless getting the bushing into place with the air chisel.

Of course, having the frame stripped made it easier as well - this
would have been a *real* pain if the motor was in place...

With bushings completed, it was time to drop the front axle. Previously
I had disconnected the steering and I also removed the front drive
shaft.

First step was to loosen all the shackle nuts, and the front spring
bolt nuts. I loosened all the shackle nuts with the springs in place 
so I had something to lever against. I figured if I wated until I 
dropped the spring to do the second nut, I'd never get it loose.

Now for the scary part:

In the process of getting the springs free, both of them broke critically.
On one of them, the whole curl and bushing end just snapped off. On the 
passenger side, the whole front horn broke free of the rest of the
frame, the other front horn cracked the frame all around the weld of one
fork.

I had previously questioned whether it was financially prudent for
me to have attempted this right now. Now I'm glad that I didn't drive
it another block! This thing was a death trap. A pothole is all it
would have taken to drop the axle. And I drove my BABY around in it!

Shudder.

I can't believe that these springs actually held up the truck, much less
took any stress. They were both badly rusted and splayed.

I was supposed to have the help of a friend to get the axle free,
but he stood me up so I had to do it alone. Using my jack and assorted 
blocks, I lowered it in stages so I wouldn't drop it on the drums. A
floor jack would have helped, but I don't have one. So that was part of
the reason for not getting as much done as I would have liked. 

If you're contemplating a frame replacement, a friend who isn't afraid
to make a comittment sure is a big help... Doing all of this alone is a pain
in the touckus.

I lowered the axle and the springs as a unit, and slid it out from under.
I didn't even *try* to loosen the U-bolt nuts. I just cut them off. I have
new ones. I'm glad I planned to replace the whole suspension, seems
that is necessary anyway...

I have 90% of the new frame compleatly painted with 4 coats of
rustolium - 2 primer and 2 black. Just a small part of the rear end still
needs to be painted black.

This week also has the distinction of the official beginning of the 
reassembly. The first part, the steering relay, was replaced in the 
new frame. It took about 15 minutes to put it in, and about 3 hours
to get it out of the old frame. I hope that it typical of all sub-
assemblies that I'm dealing with :-)

Now I'm kind of getting stuck. I'm waiting for a bunch of new parts,
including shackle bolts. I hope to have the front axle replaced by the
end of the week, and lift the body tub/seat box off as well so I can do
the rear. But its getting cold again so that won't help, back down to
single digits for the week. Brrr.

Still looking for an April completion. Last time I drove it was November 5. 
Almost 4 months ago... Sigh.

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:17:31 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: RR models 1990

As far as I know, there are very few other differences other than the ones
you noted, between the County and non-County -- all amount to trim
changes. The County had a different style of leather upholstery with
horizontal rather than vertical seams (although that may have been
introduced in 91 or 92), burlwood trim and more of it instead of American
Walnut, color matched wheels, a "County" label on the tailgate, and maybe
a CD or CD wiring. There was no mechanical difference. 

In 1992 there was a mechanical difference as well -- the County had sway
bars and the regular model did not. In 1993 and on all models in the US
had the "County" designation. 

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Alan Hood wrote:

> In a Range Rover besides, the crome bumpers and finer interior, what

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> s interior?? 
> 1990) model

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:21:37 -0800
From: smthengr@sirius.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: disco manual for sale

Yes I am interested. I tried 104115.3255@compuserve.com but it keeps
bouncing. Are the mats for the front seat and back seat? What color
? Is the manual applicable for a 1996? Can you email me

>FOR SALE:
>Disco Factory Workshop Manual with original binder for US$70.00 - brand new
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>Disco 3-piece Genuine Carpet Floor Mat for US$50.00 - new, came with purchase
>If interested, please respond back by e-mail.  Thank you.
Regards,

Jeff Smith. S.E.
Chair SEAONC Computer Applications Committee
phone: (415) 543-8651
fax: (415) 543-8679
email: smthengr@sirius.com

Smith Engineering
27 South Park
San Francisco, CA 94107

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 11:39:09 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: SD-1 motors in Landies

Eric,
Hardcastle says that post-SD1 designs are stiffer blocks (good),
bigger intake valves (usually good),  at least the EFI models.
This applies to all '80 (79?) - on v8's .  Some hypothetical stageI or
RR may have either pre- or post-SD-1 motor, then.

In addition, SD-1 cars had:
- higher CR than LR/RR : OK, if used with...
- longer duration and more overlap (hotter) cam
-  => less low-end torque (not so good)

Besides the pan and the oil pickup, you'll want to replace the front
cover and pulley, as the water pump on trucks is bigger and in diff.
place.  If your Sd-1 motor has 70+k miles, it'll probably need cam/lifters
anyway.  Why not rebuild the SD-1 first, then swap just once?

Jan

------------------------------

From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:49:48 -0500
Subject: Re: JERRY CANS, ACHTUNG!

In a message dated 96-02-27 01:38:12 EST, you write:

>  It seems the English had trouble with their models, causing 
>shortages of fuel and nearly their defeat....funny how something as
seemingly
>insignificant as a gas can can have such an effect.  
>shortages of fuel and nearly their defeat....funny how something as

If I have this right, the cans were designed to leak out the top seal as a
mechanism for keeping  dirt and sand out of the fuel, this allowed carbs and
filters to have extended life in desert conditions.

John.  

------------------------------

From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:50:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Series IIa: Backfiring

In a message dated 96-02-27 09:30:04 EST, you write:

>Anyone know what is making my '69 SRIIa backfire...actually more like a
>putt-putt?

By chance do you have a friend at a garage with an electronic engine
analyzer?  These things are great for checking lots at once:  a slightly bad
plug wire, cracked porcelain on the plug, one cylinder with lower
compression--especially helpful with the intermittent problems.  You can
methodically go through all these without an analyzer, just more laborious.
 Since you only have 4 cylinders, it would seem inexpensive enough to start
at square one and replace all the electrical/ignition stuff?  cap,rotor,
wires/plugs, points.  Check dwell?  

Re the cracked intake, if crack is big enough, I'd think any problem would be
continuous, not intermittent.  Since it IS intermittent, when does it
putt-putt?  Hot or cold?  As soon as it is putt-putting take some engine
starting fluid and try to find a leak.  

Another question, does it seem the putt-putt is a single cylinder mis-firing?
 If so, I'd go after the ignition first, not the carb.  In my dealings, if
the carb was at fault, all cylinders were affected.  But maybe on the small 4
cylinder engines it's different.  I'm used to old v8s. 

Hey wait a minute, aren't '69 Land Rovers "supposed" to putt-putt?

John.
 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:52:29 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Central European technology

Dixon Kenner wrote:

>> However, thousand years of Central European history have taught me to keep 
>> my mouth shut. We hit a snag with our razor blade bull bar, and my friend 
seems a 
>> little depressed...
>	You central European types... <sigh>  Still using ancient technology.

Dixon - you don't know how true that is! We found an immigrant from Syria in 
Slovakia - the Syrians were big friends of some Communist countries when 
these still existed - and he still knows how to make damascene blades, you 
know, the good old stuff that finished off the crusaders about 800 years 
ago. We were going to make the razor blade attachment from a damascene sword 
blade. The first problem was that the blade is bent, not straight, and we 
could not get him to make a straight one for the longest time, but a bent 
one, vertically, looks stupid on a bull bar. Well, once we got that worked 
out we hit the real snag. Damascene blades can not be made from Birmabright, 
it seems, they have to be made from steel. Fine. But what do you know? 
Galvanizing takes off the edge...

>	No wonder your friend is depressed.  

No wonder my friend is depressed.

Us Northwestern European types
>	(decendents) have moved away from such primitive technologies.
>	[Remember, we are used to larger animals scurrying about... Elk etc]
>	Give Rovers North a call.  Lanny should have the front crank or
>	pto chainsaw bull bars.  

Sorry, got the capstan winch there, remember? And the center PTO would be 
self-defeating.

Razor blades just won't cut it when you are
>	after some moose or elk for those really big Land Rover gatherings.

Little in the way of moose here, except in the very north of Austria, but 
there you can only shoot them when you can convince people you took them for 
stray dogs. 

>	Also useful when you realise that your course down the hydro cut 
>	has tall wooden objects appearing in your path (Damn Ents...)

Most of the tall wooden objects have fallen victim to acid rain. You hit 
them with a baby buggy and they fall over. Life is so unfair...

No takers for the two cranks for the V8?
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 16:25:18 EST
From: dmccor03@counsel.com (David McCormack -- Hinshaw ^ Culbertson - Brookfield )
Subject: re: Europarts

 To:	lro@land-rover.team.net		Inet 	

 I called this outfit today and learned that the way they operate
is to call Land Rover Dealers in the U.S. and haggle with them to
purchase genuine parts at a discount.  They then re-sell the items
to their "customers" splitting the discount.  Apparently, the
dealers cooperate because they sell more parts and still make a
profit.  For example, the winch mount for the Disco sells for
$780.  If  Europart  was to get 20% off, my cost would be reduced
to $699.  (plus shipping).  According to the guy I spoke with, the
part is still under warranty - I even got a little lecture about
the importance of buying genuine parts.  Perhaps this is nothing
more than a tribute to the heavy mark ups on dealer supplied
parts.

Dave McCormack
McCormack@counsel.com
'95 Discovery , White, Wisconsin "Mack X 4"

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:32:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Wanted: SOFT TOP (swb)

Tim.......For origional info re Land-Rovers you could write to
Mr.John Reily
Project Engineer, Traceability
Land-Rover
Lode Lane, Solihull
West Midlands B92 8NW
England

include your Vehicle ID or chassis number..Mr. Reily will do the rest..Turn
around time from The States is about 3 weeks
Rgds,
Steve Bradke      72 S lll 88
                          68 S lla 88

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 16:54:55 PST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Vacuum Advance

Can anyone explain to me the Vacuum advance?  ...snip... If I ease my foot off 
the gas so there is 
about 5 lbs vacuum, the truck begins to deccelerate.  Surely this isn't 
right even for a Rover (SIII engine recently overhauled..great 
compression!)

I can't tell where you are writing from, but alot of Series III's, particularly 
NAS models, came with a vaccuum RETARD distributor. This was part of a whole 
emissions control setup. If everything else is no longer there, (it probably 
isn't) then it will never work. I think the hose for the vaccuum retard came off
the INTAKE manifold. If your distributors vaccuum hose was disconnected than 
perhaps that is why. I have seen them with the hose disconnected and they run 
fine, but I would switch it over to vaccuum advance if it was mine. (It was 
already done when i got it.) The parts for the emissions control should all be 
in the SIII parts guide. I have a picture of it somewhere that I got from Rovers
North 1 (802) 879 0032

Also, does the VA hose come off of the carb throat

Mine does now.

 (like the vacuum guage) 
or the exhaust manifold (like the brake servo)?  I've tried it both ways, 
and it SEEMS to run better when taken from the exhaust manifold....does 
this indicate that I have a problem?

If there a hole in your EXHAUST manifold, then yes, you have a problem.

If anyone has run into this before, let me know.   Everytime I adjust the 
points, timing etc., the engine will be fine, and then all of a sudden, 
while idling, the revs will either drop to 400 and stall, or up to 1300 
and race.   Any ideas?

I forget the ins and outs of vaccuum high/low readings but I think it's high at 
idle, than low on acceleration and then high again. I guess the VA is supposed 
to keep you going at idle?

YMMV greatly
Dave Bobeck
 '72 SIII SWB PCV valve only...

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:01:03 -0800
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: RE: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet

Here is Gene's response to my posting. Note how he carefully avoids
acknowledging either his intent to deceive, or his use of copyrighted
images for financial gain.

His reasons for hiding the identity of his "parent company" are also
suspect. Knowing a supplier shouldn't undercut his sales (or
potential/theoretical sales, since no one has ever heard of this fly by
night outfit, despite Gene's posturing as an established supplier going
back to the 50s) since presumably a legit supplier gets their edge by
buying in quantity, offering service/support and time to market (inventory)
not easily obtained directly from UK suppliers. I buy from both Dingocroft
in the UK (ie direct) and from RN depending on the item and circumstances.

Anyways, I would urge everyone to steer clear these folks.

-jory

>Jory,
>Sorry you feel this way. Please read the following file
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 52 lines)]
>Euro Parts Ltd.
>96 Discovery w Character Dent

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:13:36 -0800
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: RE: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet [2]

Here is Gene's response to my posting. Note how he carefully avoids
acknowledging either his intent to deceive, or his use of copyrighted
images for financial gain.

His reasons for hiding the identity of his "parent company" are also
suspect. Knowing a supplier shouldn't undercut his sales (or
potential/theoretical sales, since no one has ever heard of this fly by
night outfit, despite Gene's posturing as an established supplier going
back to the 50s) since presumably a legit supplier gets their edge by
buying in quantity, offering service/support and time to market (inventory)
not easily obtained directly from UK suppliers. I buy from both Dingocroft
in the UK (ie direct) and from RN depending on the item and circumstances.

Anyways, I would urge everyone to steer clear these folks.

-jory

:Jory,
:
:Sorry you feel this way. Please read the following file
:As I am human I make mistakes just like we all do. I'm sorry if you were
offended. Try to reload our page
:and you will see that the errors have been corrected. We don't name our
parent Co. because if we did that
:would give a shortcut direct to them cutting out our source and in essence
eliminating us. We have
:several thousand satisfied customers world wide and already have satisfied
customers from our internet
:connection. Our Products are GENUINE and our prices can't be beat. Look
for our adds in Four Wheeler
:Magazine. Being a business man I know you can't please everyone but if you
give me a chance I'd like to
:help you with your land rover needs.
:
:Sincerely
:Gene
:Euro Parts
:From:   Gene Sparks[SMTP:galleryg@techline.com]
:Sent:   Monday, February 26, 1996 8:00 AM
:To:     'mendo_recce@ridgecrest.ca.us'
:Subject:        Land Rover Parts on the Internet
:
:Jason LaBranch and members of the Mendo Recce list,
:
:Yes Jason, I am affiliated with Euro Parts Ltd. I started out as a
customer with them and was very
:satisfied. But since then I was hired by the owner to create a webpage for
the company and one thing led
:to another until now I am in charge of their internet sale dept. Euro
Parts is based out of New York and I
:am in Washington state. The company has been in business for 25 years with
a base of operations in
:Africa and  now has a branch in North America.
:
:I did not mean to be deceptive and to those of you that think I was I
offer my heartfelt apologies. I
:sincerely thought that this service would be of great interest to your
members and I did not want to be
:viewed as a spammer.
:
:Please check out the page again http://www.techline.com/~europart/ all of
the mistakes have been
:corrected THANKS to Jason! We offer only the finest genuine LR parts and
the prices are the best you'll
:find anywhere. My name is Gene and I'd be glad to help you with any of
your Land Rover needs. If any of
:you would like to submit URLs to be added to our yellow pages please do
so. I'd be happy to add any LR
:related links to our page. We a trying to make this the most comprehensive
Land Rover page on the net.
:
:Thank all of you for allowing me to get the record straight and once again
I sincerely apologize to any of
:you that took offense to my first post.
:
:Gene
:Euro Parts Ltd.
:96 Discovery w Character Dent
:

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 17:18:45 EST
From: tonyb@ejv.com (Tony Bromberg)
Subject: CAR and DRIVER article on 87 RR

This is what I came across when rereading an old article in
June 1987 issue of CAR and DRIVER on 87 RR.

The transfer case also has a high and a low range and a means of
locking the center differential.  In high range, the diff lock can
be engaged at any speed by flicking the transfer-case lever to the
left.

In my 89 RR the transfer case lever can only be moved between L and H.
And to my knowledge one can not lock center diff in H.  Only way is to
move the auto lever to 1 or 2nd gear.

Are they refering to a manual gearbox?

Also, I never knew that the V8 aluminum block was used in various
racing programs around the world in the 60's and 70's.  Most notably
in F1, where it scored two world championships for Jack Brabham and
Denis Hulme in 1966 and 1967!

It seems that I subconciously keep buying cars with F1 heritage.  Same
goes for my 91 BMW M3.  That same engine block was used to power
Bramham F1 to its victory piloted by Nelson Piquet.  As I recal, the
engine was turbo charged.  And in qualifying trim, with boos turned
way up, it produced 1400 bhp.  I had an aportunity to see this car in
person in 1992 October Fest in Florida.  BMW racing division gathered
all the historics in one place at Sebring and Morosso racetracks.
Unfortunately, at that time Nelson Piquet was recovering from a bad
crash either in IMSA GTP or Goup C program.  I believe he was
driving for Jaguar.  So we did not see the car in action.

TonyB
Ciao

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:30:06 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: '96 RR 4.0 SE reviewed

There's a automotive author, Robert Bowden, who has a web page where he 
reviews a different new vehicle every week.  This week he reviews the '96 
Range Rover 4.0 SE.  He doesn't say a word about offroad behavior, but still 
gives it 4 out of 4, and says: "...It is unlikely any of these [other SUV] 
manufacturers, even Mercedes-Benz, can come out of the box with a new model 
equal to or better than the world's acknowledged best: Range Rover."  It 
would be nice if we could direct him to a page featuring photos of the new 
RR offroad, but I don't think I've seen any such photos.

http://www.cftnet.com/members/rcbowden/nucar1.htm

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:50:27 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: dwell angle

Does anyone out there know the dwell angle to set the points on the Land 
Rover?  I asked this once before but didn't receive an answer.  It must 
be some standard for 4 cyl. vehicles, but I can't find it in my books.  
Dave VE4PN

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:56:35 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  CAR and DRIVER article on 87 RR -Reply

87 and 88 RRs had a center locking diff as described.  In 89 the RR
began using a viscous coupling unit (borg warner?) which eliminated
the need for a manual controlled center diff lock.  The VCU essentially
locks the center diff automatically once it detects slip.  This allows some
slip at first but also eliminates the need to manually lock the diff and is
much better in partially slick situations such as streets which are
partially cleared of snow and ice.  Thus the tranfer case knob on your
89 does not have a diff locked position because the VCU does
essentially the same job automatically.

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:11:51 -0600
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: Disco Manual

Hi folks!

Yeesterday, someone posted a Disco service manual for sale from the address
"104115.3255@CompuServe.COM"   Ithe compuserve postmaster is returning my
mail......I would like to buy that manual from you!!!

Please e-mail me directly or call!  Thanks!

Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936

Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"

 

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:26:08 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: CAR and DRIVER article on 87 RR -Reply

William Owen wrote:
> The VCU essentially locks the center diff automatically once it detects slip.

  Please repeat: A VCU RR DOES NOT HAVE A CENTRE DIFF!

Anybody who hasn't looked yet and needing a quick reference might want to check 
http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept/diff.html (for what it's worth).

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:34:40 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Wanted: SOFT TOP (swb)

Tim Veal wrote:
> Anyone know where I could pick one up? 

I bought a new soft top plus new OE galvanised frame from a British company 
who makes the canvas tops. It is very good and incredibly strong, and you can 
specify with/without side windows. It cost me about 300 Pounds complete. Even 
with shipping cost, this might be a good deal for you.

Let me know if you want the company's details.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:28:02 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: CAR and DRIVER article on 87 RR

On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, Tony Bromberg wrote:

thats because you have an "inferior" 89 RR instead of an 87 with a LOCKING
high low center diff.!!!!!!!>  > 
> This is what I came across when rereading an old article in
> June 1987 issue of CAR and DRIVER on 87 RR.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 34 lines)]
> TonyB
> Ciao

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:49:38 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Europarts

David McCormack -- Hinshaw ^ Culbertson - Brookfield wrote:
>  I called this outfit today and learned that the way they operate
> is to call Land Rover Dealers in the U.S. and haggle with them to
> purchase genuine parts at a discount.  They then re-sell the items
> to their "customers" splitting the discount. 

What's the problem? This is called Trade. It is a common concept this 
side of the pond. The last time I was in the USA I found it quite common 
over there too. One man finds a source of product or service that 
another man can't or won't and sells it at a profit.
Those who work for companies will find that their salaries are paid out 
of "profits".
Lawyers, Doctors, Lecturers and other professionals make "profits" by 
charging large sums for the use of their time and expertise. People who 
supply goods offer time and expertise and are also entitled to make a 
living. Let us not be intolerant, and let's all be friends, eh?
Our Governments make gigantic mistakes every  day, and we forgive them 
instantly (we just forgave ours officially for one of the biggest).

Just my thoughts. I don't intend to start a big issue.

Good night.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 18:55:37 PST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: dwell angle

     
Does anyone out there know the dwell angle to set the points on the Land 
Rover?  I asked this once before but didn't receive an answer.  It must 
be some standard for 4 cyl. vehicles, but I can't find it in my books.  
Dave VE4PN
     
     i THINK IT'S 60 degrees. 
     
     Dave"dwell schmell" B.

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:06:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Magnet <magnet@io.org>
Subject: Re: Power steering leak(or ooze) on a Disco

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, John B. Friedman wrote:

> I find a few drops of PS fluid on the ground under Disco and two  
> drops of same beaded on the ferrules of the oil cooler hoses. But no  
> low PS fluid in tank. I see some ooze at the pipes from tank into  

.........
> see any obvious drip from the PS pump, if anyone has some ideas on  
> where this stuff is a escaping from please let me know or post  
> generally. Thanks, John Friedman

John, I had a similar ooze from the PS pump on my 93 Range Rover.  It was
coming out of the bearing -- evidently the seal had failed.  Dealer 
replaced the pump under warranty, but it took a bit of convincing to get 
them to admit the pump was faulty, and that the leak wasn't just a loose 
hose clip.

I am told that the new pump (which has the word "Green" on the label) is 
an improved type.  I gather that this sort of thing isn't exactly unknown!

                                   Cheers,
                                            -- Bill

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
Bill Daddis -- Aurora, Ontario, Canada -- magnet@io.org
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@sparky.transdata.ca>
Subject: mopane worms and LRs
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:27:54 -0500

no kidding, mopane worms are good.  While living in Botswana I tried =
them.  Simply squeese out the innards onto a hot steel plate, when =
crunchy remove them, they taste like nuts.

In your cases, cook them on the head of a hard worked series LR!

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From: Rod Steele <rsteele@sparky.transdata.ca>
Subject: biltong recipes assebleif
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:24:23 -0500

'scuse the spelling!

OK okes, recipes please, fast and furious.  I haven't had biltong for 5 years, put me out of my misery

thanks
Rod
109/86/80-'49

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:51:51 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Unleaded and stellite

WRT the thread on unleaded in a '72 RR, the point is not compression, but 
whether the valves and other bits can handle the stuff.  I may be wrong, but 
I don't think that any car on the planet manufactured before the 1976 model 
year was built to run unleaded.

Lead additives did many things beside increase octane...they also micro-
scopically lubricated and cushioned valves/seats.  Unleaded was designed to 
burn "leaner" with residual oxygen in the exhaust flow to reduce NOx and CO 
emissions.  This oxygen functions like an oxy-acetylene cutting torch - high 
speed gas cutting - wich causes valve/seat wear and recession.

When I rebuilt the engine in '87, I was told unleaded was going to be 
"around for a while."  As I had spare valves in the kit since '76 and the 
seats were OK, I didn't go the expense of stellite.  I wish I had, as leaded 
disappeared within a year.  I use "ReLead" 9a marine fuel additive) and the 
Ampco vapor lubricator with Marvel Mystery Oil to compensate.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:55:51 -0500
From: GMA <calvin-gm@granite.mv.net>
Subject: For Sale: 1989 RR Parts truck

I have a 1989 Range Rover that I am parting out or selling complete, what's
left. It rolled over and I used the complete interior for an other RR. Only
good body panels are the front doors. It has complete drive train, runs and
drives. I have five very good wheels w/four very good tires. Frame and
suspension is good. It is located in southern New Hampshire, USA.

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From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 22:12:17 -0500
Subject: Snubbed by a Plushmobile

I'm mad, sad and my feelins is hurt.  Coming home from Boston today, on the
Maine Turnpike, just approaching the Gloucester Toll Booth, bright sunshine,
almost no traffic, I look in the (ever-vibrating-see-3-of-everything) outside
mirror of my 72 SIII 88 and "Hot Diggity, Oh Boy", here comes a big white
Range Rover!  Mad scramble to twirl window lock and slide window open in mush
of rust chips and old window channel fabric, extend arm and wave BIG HELLO!
 Reaction...zip!  Okay, Plan B, pull in behind RR and just as he stops to pay
toll hit horn button with Beep, Beep a Beep, Beep.....Beep, Beep!  Watch as
arm cloaked in Armani black suit with impeccable white cuff pulled back just
far enough to exhibit very large gold wristwatch hands toll collector
thousand dollar bill and receives large wad of ones in return.  Watch RR
accelerate like TomCat off catapult, leaving me to face toll collector who
can't understand why this scratched up, mud encrusted lump, driven by a
bearded old man in plaid shirt, jeans and red suspenders, and wearing
industrial strength ear plugs was bouncing up and down and tooting at what
was obviously a car and driver of totally different, and much higher, class
and consequence.  How do you explain these things?  I just paid, thanked her,
and drove off, the departing Range Rover by now just a faint white dot up
ahead.  

Yes, it is always possible that he was racing to Bangor to see his dying
father, or a lawyer who was thinking hard about defending his client accused
of murder.   It could also be that he bought his Range Rover because it was
the most expensive macho image toy he could find, and that he couldn't care
less about its origin and history, including the Series cars. If that is the
case, I really feel sorry for him, because he is missing out on something
really neat. 

I will "Keep the Faith" and continue to get all excited and wave whenever I
see a Solihull product, no matter what year or model.   I will also continue
to be proud of a 72 Series III (with OD) that cruised at 60-65 all the way to
Boston and back plus quite a few miles in Boston itself, without a single
hiccup.  

(Back in my VW Beetle days, we used to call out to Karmann-Ghia drivers,
"Underneath, you're still a Volkswagen!" - maybe I'll do the same to
post-Series Solihull Products from now on...except... are they?)     

I feel better now.  Thanks for listening.

Happy Rovering!

Doug Scott
2 ea. 72 Series III 88, and charter member of the BB, which, if they promise
to recognize their Series elders and wave to them, includes RR's, Disco's and
Defs!  

      

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:06:13 -0700 (MST)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: The Duke, seats and rotary motor

>Has any one thought of trying a 6 port Mazda rotary engine?
>They are pretty small and light, very quite, rev to 9k, are
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>last a loong time....and are very quiet.  Apparently
>a rebuild on one costs about $1000 CAN in Vancouver-

Rotaries are only quiet when they are run with their extremely 
restrictive production exhaust. If you put a less restrictive exhaust or 
a header on these engines, they get very loud, very quick, due to their 
extremely fast opening exhaust ports. They also lack any kind of torque 
(as was already mentioned), and the 135HP 13B FI engine only had 133lb-ft 
of torque at 2750RPM. I love the rotary engine, but I don't think that 
under the hood (bonnet) of a Land Rover is a very good place for one...

Rob

PS 
Sorry I'm responding to 1-2 week old messages, but I really am trying 
to catch up...

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:24:53 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Unleaded and stellite

At 07:51 PM 2/27/96 -0500, Alexander P. Grice <rover@pinn.net> wrote:
>WRT the thread on unleaded in a '72 RR, the point is not compression, but 
>whether the valves and other bits can handle the stuff.  I may be wrong, but 
>I don't think that any car on the planet manufactured before the 1976 model 
>year was built to run unleaded.

 Some vehicles were 'built' to run unleaded, albeit not by clairvoyant
 design.  These engines are simply so tuff that running unleaded causes no
 premature valve and seat wear; for instance, the Mercedes M180 engine in
 my '55 Unimog is made of such hard steel it is not necessary to 'upgrade'
 to stellite valves and seats.

 Cheers,
                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:29:59 -0600
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: Disco Lubes

Hello to fellow LROs!!

I am planning on switching all of our Disco's driveline components to
synthetics, and was wondering if someone could fill me in on missing
quantities and/or weights....

Engine Sump                     6.3 US qt               5W-XX or whatever
Gearbox                           10 US qt                Dexron II
Transfer Case                  2.4 US qt               80W or 90W
Front/Rear Diff                1.8 US qt each       ????

:::Am I correct that the gearbox includes the torque converter?
:::Also does the transfer case include the centre diff?

Please let me know if I am missing anything...I suppose that I could
convert the power steering to synthetic too........of questionable
merit...??  Please let me know....!

Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936

Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"

 

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 22:41:18 -0500 (EST)
From: John Antram <rewt@sover.net>
Subject: Places to go other than Solihull in England

	Other than the well spring of all Land Rovers, Solihull & the
Dunsfold collection - where else will be nice in Mid-to-late June? We
would like to rent a rover, of course, for a week or so. We are interested
in day trips and are wondering where to stay. ( This is our honeymoon so 
as much fun as it'd be to spend the whole week up to my elbows in 90wt, 
I'd get into trouble. Even though *she* got me into Rovers! )

John Antram	rewt@sover.net     RR 3 Box 888 Middlebury, VT  05753
1972 Land Rover Series III 88", sunrooves (badly improvised by PO), Red
1995 Land Rover Discovery, 5-speed, sunrooves, Roman Bronze
1987 Mercedes-Benz 300SDL, Anthracite Gray

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:56:07 -0800
Subject: Re: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet

On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com wrote:

>Eric I disagree.  This guy evidently misrepresented himself
>just like Karzy Kev.  

TeriAnn, I guess I was misunderstood.  There is no excuse for someone who 
blatantly plagarizes or misrepresents him or herself as seems to be the case 
with Europarts.  I think they're either crazy or brain dead to do such things, 
especially in the LR business where many people have already been burned by fly 
by night parts suppliers.

I do, however, support the idea of letting the list know if you're in business 
and can offer a service to the list.  I welcome accurate and simple messages 
that make us aware of what is happening.  For example:  Hi, I'm John Doe and I 
sell LR parts.  My WWW page is at ....  I supply ..... and my  prices are.. 
......please let me know if you want more info.  Honest, simple and up front... 
that's the way I'd do it.  Now, there's an idea.....:)

Regards,
Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:56:22 -0800
Subject: Re: Diesel overkill my ...

On Tue, 27 Feb 1996, ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith) wrote:
. Ask Eric Z. if he sticks to 50 mph in his Rover, NOT. 

Awwwww geez, Mike.  You let the cat out of the bag!  Now the entire NY State 
police is going to be out for me!

Just because I seriously considered getting a radar detector for my series 
vehicle.....:)  :)  :)

Eric

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:13:36 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: cruise and abs on disco

At 08:16 PM 2/24/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Today my cruise control refused to work on my 96 Discovery.  The next time I
>started the car, the "ABS" light came on and stayed on (instead of turning
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 25 lines)]
>Hal Hunnicutt
>'96 Disco

Hal

I was away a few days and am just browsed thru the messages and I am
surprised I did not see an answer to your question.

A few weeks+ ago their were several Disco owners with electrical problems
and the answer appeared to be traced to an incorrectly tighten (loose)
connection at the fuse box for the Positive (+) lead from the battery.  I
hope one of the Disco owners thart had this problem can provide more details.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport New Hampshire
603-863-7883

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:46:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Places to go other than Solihull in England

John is planning his honeymoon:

>	Other than the well spring of all Land Rovers, Solihull & the
>Dunsfold collection - where else will be nice in Mid-to-late June?

ARC National, May 24 - 28 near Ucking, East Sussex (about 15 miles north east
of Brighton). Mostly a competition event with trials on Saturday & Sunday,
Comp Safari on Monday (last year's schedule) but lots and lots of Land Rovers
and a fair selection of vendors. Well worth a day if you're into Land Rovers.

Dunsfold Collection - The collection is scattered currently, and only gets
together a few times a year. Dunsfold Land Rover has several of the
collection's vehicles, primarially unrestored ones. They don't seem to mind
unobnoxious visitors who just want to look around outside, particularly if
you purchase some parts first. Good source of hard to find parts.

British Motor Heritage Center, Gaydon (off the M40, south of Coventry)
"Largest collection of historic British vehicles". Excellent collection of
300 or so vehicles, including a very good selection of Land Rovers. Also have
an off-road course ride in a 110 SW.

Museum of Army Transport, Beverley (north of Kingston-upon-Hull). Very large
indoor collection of British Army trucks and other vehicles, including a
number of army Land Rovers. If you are into military vehicles this is a must
see.

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan 

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From: CrankIt@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:59:58 -0500
Subject: Re: No Subject

Rovers North sells the D-90 manuals with the binders..............so maybe
they would sell you a binder.  Who knows it's worth a try.  Good Luck

Gene

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:19:42 -0800
Subject: Re: Snubbed by a Plushmobile

Doug,
Give it up.  I live in Rover city..or so it seems.  Discos & Range Rovers are
very common here.  In my 109 I probably get a wave back in about one of every
300 to 400 Disco andRange Rover close encounters.  i get a wave from about
one in ten Defender close encounters.  Heck, the last 88 that went by on a 2
lane road didn't even wave back.   Maybe its because my 109 is the wrong
shade of green?  maybe it wan't recognized as another Land Rover.

I just think they don't care

TeriAnn

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Subject: Re: Snubbed by a Plushmobile
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 21:29:05 -0000
From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com>

>Happy Rovering!
>Doug Scott
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>to recognize their Series elders and wave to them, includes RR's, Disco's and
>Defs!  

Don't get too upset, Doug.  I drive a 93 Rangie around the SF Peninsula 
and I can't get many Rangie or Disco drivers to even look in my 
direction, let alone wave.  Maybe I should go through the carwash more 
often.

Hugo

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                                                         (o)   (o)

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From: Gene Sparks <galleryg@techline.com>
Subject: RE: Web site
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:41:42 -0800

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From: 	Dixon Kenner[SMTP:dkenner@emr1.emr.ca]
Sent: 	Tuesday, February 27, 1996 9:32 AM
Cc: 	Dixon Kenner
Subject: 	Web site

	I am curious if you are following the discussions on the main
	Land Rover Owner list regarding your website?  As one of the
	authors of the RoverWeb/OVLR site I am interested in your
	comments regarding some familiar looking backdrop and images.
	Some people don't seem to be very impressed, though I have not
	commented publically on any of this until I hear what you
	have to say about it.  As a new company to the Web, I am sure
	that you are aware that adverse commentary should be addressed
	and problems satisfied as in any business environment.  If
	required, I can forward some of the correspondence that has
	appeared there.

	Rgds,

Dixon,

Thank You for your concern and contact with me. Yes I would be =
interested in having you forward any appropriate Info. First of all let =
me say that I seem to have stirred up a hornets nest. I had no intention =
of doing so and have been working feverishly  trying to respond to all =
e-mail and correct as many problems and mistakes I have made in the =
process. I have made an addition to the web page thanking and giving =
credit to Lloyd Allison and OVLR for my use of their Images and =
information. I assumed, maybe incorrectly that they would like to  =
receive visitors from our page. I had no intention on ruffling anyones =
feathers and offer my sincerest apologies if that is what I've done. =
Also Regarding my post to the group(s) let me say the following. Yes I =
am a satisfied customer of Euro Parts! That is how I was offered the =
opportunity to create the page for them. Things snowballed from there =
and I was asked to handle e-mail and sales from the Internet, which I =
now do. This is my first attempt at creating a web site so please excuse =
my ignorance to web etiquette and the spamming I seem to have done. My =
attempt was not to be deceptive but only to let the readers know of a =
truly good resource for quality parts at discount prices. I too am a =
Land Rover owner and appreciated finding this resource which I spoke of =
to the group of before my involvement with the company. I hope that  the =
group can understand my reasoning in this matter and forgive me for my =
mistakes and not hold a grudge against Euro Parts. It was my mistake not =
the companies. I will do what ever is required to get back in the good =
graces of the group and will accept whatever guidance is appropriate in =
correcting any problems or hard feelings I have caused. Once again I =
offer my sincerest and heartfelt apologies to you and all members of the =
group for my ignorance and mistakes.

Gene
Euro Parts

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 19:54:48 -1000
From: "ROGER HALL: HNL M.E. GROUP" <ROGER_H@verifone.com>
Subject: Re: Snubbed by a Plushmobile

>Happy Rovering!
>Doug Scott
	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 6 lines)]
>to recognize their Series elders and wave to them, includes RR's, Disco's and
>Defs!  

>Don't get too upset, Doug.  I drive a 93 Rangie around the SF Peninsula 
>and I can't get many Rangie or Disco drivers to even look in my 
>direction, let alone wave.  Maybe I should go through the carwash more 
>often.

>Hugo

Hugo,

I agree.  My wife sometimes drives the family Range Rover and even SHE doesn't
even wave to me!

Hmm.  Come to think of it, that could be for another reason....

Never mind.

Roger

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Subject: Leaf-Sprung Time
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 01:18:20 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Mike Rooth writes:
>What the devil all these people are in such a *hurry* for I just dont know.

Well, Mike, a couple weeks back, I went from Boston, Ma to Rochester, NY  to 
participate in a Road Rally (Time-Speed-Distance type, what you folks have
between stages).  That was oh say 380 miles across both states. Now, in
the UK that would pretty much get me from London to oh, say somewhere near
Edinburgh. Then we ran the rallye (a mere 145 miles in the cold (~-15C), and
dark of night), turned about and drove back, and I would have had to done
another  120 miles or so each way to make it out to see the Limey in Exile. 

We made good time, but I hazard to think what it would have been in 
leaf-sprung time :-)

And we really didn't push the Rangie, just your normal motorway speeds,
down to 65 or so through the storm on the trip out Friday night. 
 ---
Then last weekend I went to take my S.IIa to Clinton, and that trip took
the better part of two hours, but now that's leaf-sprung time for ya,
and when you're on leaf-sprung time, why not stop off and visit a friend or
two along the way? (Hey, what's another half-hour in leaf sprung time ?)

So I dropped in on Jim Pappas at LR Metro West, swilled their java and
doughnuts then told the yuppies, why they really want to buy a new one
from Jim instead of buying a drafty old beast with character :-)

	----------------

Well, I gave Martin at Land Rover Replacments in Dewsbury a bell this
morning, and he tells me that while the dual charging system shorted
and fried large amounts plastic surrounding the cable to the non-existant
second battery, the rest of the vehicle managed to not to go up in smoke.

He made the repairs and has since sold the white money pit, er Rangie, to some
punter, as is.  So, if you see DAJ802L on the road (or at it's favorite hang
out - the petrol station), it isn't mine anymore. But I reckon with that
Vitesse block, it will still be wicked fast for a -L reg.

    Cheers,
        --bill  	caloccia@OpenMarket.com
                 http://www.OpenMarket.com/personal/caloccia/
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      793-PTA 

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Subject: Re: Snubbed by a Plushmobile
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 22:34:28 -0000
From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com>

>I agree.  My wife sometimes drives the family Range Rover and even SHE 
>doesn't
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Never mind.
>Roger

....maybe it's her that I've been waving at?

                                                        _______
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                                                         (o)   (o)

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 07:31:58 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: Splitsville

--> <snip>..Also,  The volume on this list seems TREMENDOUS! Any thoughts of 
splitting
it into Series vehicles / RR, Disco?...<snip>

Oh! What a novel idea! I want a split of Range-Rover pre morse drive and S-III 
Landies, but only Yellow SIII's and white Rangies, and only petrol yellow 
S-III's and Turbo diesel Rangies. I want exclusions of anyone who washes a 
Series, and the pillory for anyone who doesn't have moss growing on the roof. 
(I'll excuse you if you have a gecko or a furry mammal in the dash).

Teriann, you don't *wash* moss, you scrape it off with a tyre iron.

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 07:07:48 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: Sodium Hydroxide aka drain cleaner

Someones brother reckoned -->">From my brother the chemist...

I think the person answering your question about NaOH + Al was confusing
things with, for example, HCl + Al, which would create heat and fizz
(hydrogen) assuming the Al2O3 protective coat on the aluminum was 
breached.
Aluminium is very reactive, but immediately oxidizes in air to coat itself
with Al2O3 (a/k/a sapphire) which is quite impervious.

If I recall (and I'm not sure I do), NaOH + Al -> white gel, the exact
composition I don't recall.  Perhaps NaAlO2 + H2."<snip>...

Hmmm, lets go empirical (another phrase for I cant remember the theory), throw 
some birmabright snippets, some aluminium foil, and some Sodium Hydroxide 
(some drain cleaners are made of this) crystals into a non metallic, non 
heatfuckupable container (disclaimer, what you are about to do is hazardous 
and if you are related to a lawyer or in any way stupid, DONT DO THIS). Chuck 
some warm to hot water in with the mixture and watch the fun. Plenty fizz, 
plenty heat, plenty AL turn into grey goo. BTW the gas IS hydrogen and you can 
do all kinds of neat party tricks with it. (NO its not Helium, *don't* breath 
it in, you won't sound like a duck)

Now before someone flames me for non LR content, please remember that what you 
did now is what many soulful people do to neutralise spilt battery acid, and 
heaps of excess NaOH could have a LOT of fun on your Birmabrite-Buddy

Matthew (fizz, pop, BANG)
ZA

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 07:21:18 GMT
From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Places to go other than Solihull in England

In your message dated Tuesday 27, February 1996 you wrote :

> 	Other than the well spring of all Land Rovers, Solihull & the
> Dunsfold collection - where else will be nice in Mid-to-late June? We
> would like to rent a rover, of course, for a week or so. We are interested
> in day trips and are wondering where to stay.
 
British Motor Industry Heritage Trust Museum in Gaydon, Warwickshire (Lots of 
LR's and RR's), then pop down the road to Stratford-upon-Avon (Shakespere 
country), maybe then the Malvern Hills in Worcestershire (Elgar country), 
working your way down to the Cotswolds in Gloucestershire (Ian from 4x4!). All 
very very beautiful and "English";-). Perhaps some other uk readers will 
contribute!

Congratulations, Gerald.
-- 
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| Gerald Tan    EMail gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk    |
| My own opinions, not those of my employer!    |
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:57:48 +0100
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: Re: Disco, the car-wash leak

Have a good off-road trip and hope that the holes are then filled up with 
mud, this sometimes helps with my Lightweight (but in fact I'm never driving 
it into a car-wash...).

Philippe, Belgium
'81  Lightweight

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 03:15:22 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Perry <rxq281@freenet.mb.ca>
Subject: Flimsy Discos

Bad news for Discovery owners: their cars are quote-flimsy-unquote.

So sayeth one Brian O'Neill, president of something called the Insurance 
Institute for Highway Safety, some sort of Washington, D.C. lobby group, 
from the looks of it.

This in a story this date from the Associated Press, in which said 
institute crash-tested some makes of sport-utilities and came up with 
conclusion that they may *look* tough, but if you drive them into a 
solid barrier, d-oh, they can bend.
What's worse, they bend enough that they can be very expensive to fix.
Worst offender: Isuzu Rodeo, $8,000 bucks damages from a 5 mph/8km-h 
barrier crash ( tailgate,window totalled in reversing impact)
Next worse was Toyota 4Runner, $7,147, followed by Disco at $6,555, 
then things got better once the good ol' made in the U.S.A. trucks were 
pranged: Jeep Grand Cherokee, $5,763, Ford Explorer, 5,639, Chevy Blazer, 
$4,168 (all US$)
"This is very different from the rugged image Isuzu and other utility 
vehicle manufacturers are selling," O'Neill tells AP. "Instead of rugged, 
a more appropriate description for these vehicles is flimsy." To make his 
point, the results are compared to 14 mid-size cars, of which only three 
had more than $3,000 damage. 
The report says only one of the sport-utes, the Jeep, could be driven 
away from the barrier after an angle impact, the others all having body 
parts jammed into the front tire.
Some of the car makers pooh-poohed the study, but there was no comment 
from LRNA reported in the story.
So Disco owners, you have been warned. Be prepared for hard times from 
your insurers. Meanwhile, bull bars!

Cheers,

Mark Perry   Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
1966 Ser.IIA 88 Petrol Hardtop 
An adventure every time you drive it...

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 10:05:29 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Diesel overkill my ...

>        Mike Rooth wrote that diesel 2.25 Rover engines are only designed
>to go so fast.
Oh no Mike Rooth didnt.The statement was that your Rover "Should go as fast
as you want it to".To which my reply was that I disagreed,and that it
should go as fast as it was *designed* to do.Petrol *or* diesel,wasnt
specified.
Bear in mind,that petrol *or* diesel,series Land Rovers were designed for
a different era of motoring,and a pretty experimental one at that,at the
time.4X4 machinery was neither as prolific,nor as well researched as it
is today.Now if you want to wallop old machinery about like you apparently
do,fair enough,its your kit,but dont condemn those of us who prefer to
treat it with some little respect,due,among other things,to its age.
Further,dont forget that the diesel option was introduced *by popular demand*.
And continued to be sold by popular demand,as well.If the engine was as
bad as you infer,it would have gone off the market long before it did.
Also,remember this.When the original 2l engine was introduced,there were no
small diesel units available anywhere,save one made by Mercedes.Since WW11
was only recently over,it was no doubt felt that to put a German engine in
a British product wouldnt exactly endear said product to the British public,
or come to that,to the Commonwealth nations either.So Land Rover produced
their own,and continued to develop it from 2l,2,25l,2,25 5 bearing etc.
The Tdi is a quantum leap forward due mainly to the fact that it is a
direct injection unit,where the older unit is indirect injection,but it
is *a product of continuous development*.No firm stands still.If it does,it
dies.
Why you condemn the diesel after,apparently,experience of only one unit,
and that presumably in less than pristine condition,is beyond me.Far better,
surely,to get stuck in and find out *why*,and do something about it surely?
FWIW,Andy Grafton,before he left here for Africa,took a 2.25 diesel 109
with a ton on board,from here to London,some 150 miles,and the vehicle
never dropped below 50mph *and* returned around 28mpg.Similarly,a friend
of mine with an 88" regularly cruised at 60,with an average consumption
of 23-26 mpg.All the vehicles would climb the side of a house,as it were,
virtually at tickover.And if that isnt a well rounded vehicle,I dont know
what is.Somewhat of an overkill,too,I would say.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 10:48:32 GMT
From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Borg Warner Transfer Box RR '89 Model Year onwards

Sorry to say this David (Gerald pipes up meekly), but.......

The Viscous Coupling Unit (VCU) is fitted across the centre differential (not 
instead of it), to automatically lock the differential when a significant speed 
difference between front and rear prop shafts is sensed. Land Rover 
optimistically state that it will lock up after half a wheel's revolution, but 
that's another story.

If you take a Borg Warner box apart, you will find the two discreet components 
present, a viscous unit (cylindrical thing), and a centre differential assembly, 
which if you consequently disassemble, you will find familiar components of a 
diff (bevel gears, pinion gears etc).

Corrections to your web page perhaps? :-)

Sorry!. Gerald.
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From: azw@aber.ac.uk
Subject: D90 Commuting
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 10:57:51 UNDEFINED

>only commute in their RRs.  I commute in my D90 and find that it has 
>some advantages for this as well.  In first gear high I can take my 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>comes in very handy in some of the more traffic prone portions of the 
>freeway.

Landrover give you a wholeseparate gearbox for this. Hell! Even Rolls Royce 
havent thhought of this one yet.....

You can really enjoy just idling along in low firsrt or second smelling the 
burningg clutchplates from the cars behind.......

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Diesels and Imports
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:04:08 UNDEFINED

>>1. Why are diesel engines (non-turbos), even with their lack of horsepower 
and>>torque, preferred for heavy off-road use?

They arent. For two reasons. Firstly the power spread is far lesss than on a 
petrol. Deisels are ideal for constant rev applications and are suboptimal for 
cars. And secondly os they are governed. This makes it very hard to trickle 
down the power in very slippery situations, cos the governer will try it's 
hardest to acheive the set revs. Get stuck in a deisel and it as far harder to 
drive out than a petrol

The ideal car for strickling is a petrol AUTOMATIC. Ask the Icelandic glacier 
merchants.

>about.The petrol motors are seen as expensive to run,so the diesels have
>become more popular,a situation which is filtering into the secondhand

Yup,. The fuel consumption being hjalf that of the petrol is what makes em 
sell in the UK. In the US , where fuel is free with breakfast cereal, I cant 
imagine why anyone would buy anything other than the 3.5V8.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk
Subject: Diesels and Imports
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:07:49 UNDEFINED

>The diesel can idle over alot of stuff.  You are in much more control.

Well. Not exactly - it'll take the responsibility of control away from you so 
you dont make so many mistake...... They are superb for idling thru probelms 
feet off - about the best way to get em thru many, cos the governer 
automatically compensates for the varying demasd on the engine. BUT get em 
stuck and it is much harder to get em out without spinning. See my previous 
post.

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk
Subject: Stuck deisels
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:13:10 UNDEFINED

Having complained about how hard it is to get em unstuck, they DO have one 
advantage over petrols. IF you have sufficiently unaggressive tyres that the 
slightest spin DOESNT send em to Oz, then you can unstick em by using the 
governer against itself. Just use low 1 or 2, let up the clutch so the wheels 
spin (the governer will prevent any possibility of stalling, and with the left 
foot, apply the footbrake to con the diffs into beleiving they have grip at 
all four (sort of fiddle-difflock). Now you can balance brake against throttle 
as desired to get you out.

If you  are on blocky Firestones, forget it. Any spin and you are up to the 
schassis.

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