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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 6:57:49 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Re: Driving the 109 or ouch that coffee's hottt!

Tom,

All I know is the mug is labeled "GOJO". Though I have drank some coffee 
that tasted like it might be great for washing grease off of your hands!

Cheers,
Barnett

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 7:25:12 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Re: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

Pete,
Thanks for the tip. Now I will have to get matching "AA yellow" towels to 
keep in my air lockers!

Cheers
Barnett
(My face hurts from all that slapping)
Childress

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 26 Feb 96  7:30:56 EST
Subject: Re: biltong is..

Alan Richer wrote to me: "
Tell me what it is and I might agree with you. It's not something as actively 
unpleasant as Vegemite, is it?"

Biltong is 
wind-dried game meat with spices (mainly coriander). We do make it from beef 
too, but this is considered infra-dig. 

Biltong should not be confused or equated with beef-jerky which is a sad, 
forlorn relative (only by virtue of marriage anyway), and if you come on the 
LROC ZA goody next year there are a number of things which you have to eat in 
order to earn the wings.

1.  Kudu or at least Implala biltong
2.  Vetkoek
3.  Koeksuster
4.  Askoek
5.  Potjiekos
6.  Bredie
7.  at least one exotic meal of Warthog, Crocodile, Giraffe, or Mopane-worm
8.  Bunnychow
9.  Ostrich
10.  Maroela

You must also drink wine, beer, witblits, and mampoer

Matthew, I am of French-Canadian ancestry, and am well-known to eat damned near 
anything that doesn't move woo quick, but I refuse to eat anything I can't 
define at all. 

I assume this list of things above are all native furry creatures to South 
Africa? Sounds more and more interesting all the time...

I think the only thing I might look askance at is the Mopane-worm, 
whateverthehell that is.... I don't do worms...8*)

   aj"One of each, and a Diet Coke"r

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 07:50:50 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: cup holders etc

Matthew
"Eat biltong, carry a big stick"
ZA

Matthew, would you care to explain to this unenlightened, coffee drinking, 
cigarette smokin, antique-owner just what exactly is a "biltong", and would one 
really eat it?

Dave "Not using my dash as a cutting board thank you" B.

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 08:04:45 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: cup holders etc

Matthew, would you care to explain to this unenlightened, coffee drinking, 
cigarette smokin, antique-owner just what exactly is a "biltong", and would one 
really eat it?

Dave "Not using my dash as a cutting board thank you" B.

Never mind. Saw the "biltong is..." messages right after I sent this. Time to 
get some coffee.:-)

Dave

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:19:32 -0500
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Aluminium Primer Question (Welding vs. Brazing)

> Nat writes:
> >By the way, for those of you who followed my thread on aluminium
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> >welding/brazing, after several unsuccessful attempts,  I'm not so sure the torch and
> >brazing rods are all that great.

Wdcockey@aol.com wrote:
> What kind of rods did you try? From what I've heard aluminum is very tricky
> to repair with aluminum rods for the uninitiated because the melting temps
> are similar and the al doesn't change color. Does anyon have experience with
> "Lumiweld" or similar which is a low melting point alloy intended for
> brazing/soldering aluminum, zinc, etc?

I was using the BernzoMatic torch with Propane and Oxygen.  I could never get 
the rod to stick well to the birmabright.  I even tried to melt it. (I have 
an old front fender piece I used as test metal)  I couldn't seem to get the 
birmabright hot enough for a good weld/brazing. For the time I put in working 
with it, it was cheaper to have the machine shop do it and they got a result 
I could never get.  Nothing like having new pieces manufactured and welded in

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:45:49 -0500
Subject: JERRY CANS, ACHTUNG!

I dont like to advertize for mail order houses, but the Sportsman Guide cat.
#20134 has 
E. German surplus 20L jerry cans, made by actual jerries, for $14.97 (item
B6-13486), and with a cool spout for  $19.97 (item B6-14186). Unissued, but
w/ storage wear of course. These cans are esentially the same as Brit./NATO
cans costing more elsewhere. I ordered the can & spout this morning, cost was
$27 w/shipping. Be warned however, if you buy you'll be on their mailing list
forever and ever. But if you like surplus gear you wont mind.  Note: They
wont fit U.S. jerry can holders. Almost forgot - call 1-800-888-3006. Cheers.
Andy Blackley AKBlackley@AOL.com 

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 06:07:43 -0800
Subject: Re: Electric water heater

On Sun, 25 Feb 1996, PurnellJE@aol.com wrote:

>Peter, I drive one of those fancy, electric start, double cup-holdered
>Defender 90s, I couldn't crank it for the life of me!

I wouldn't be so sure of that....I've started my V8 several times with the 
crank!  You do need some electric power, though, for the fuel pump.

Eric

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:21:46 -0500
Subject: Re: JERRY CANS, ACHTUNG!

They are in St. Paul, Minesota. Big firm. I quote catalog:"New never
issued.Fact is you might spot some minor surface flaws such as dirt,
scratches or slight rust." Olive drab etc. "the can has lock tight opening
with air tight "O" ring seal and built in  carry handle" 'Course it does it a
jerry ca. There is a lovely full color pic "shown with optional nozzle".
Looks genuine. I bought a similer one from a surplus store a couple yyears
ago, also ex-commie. Works wunder schon. Except for the baddies from "Diehard
with a Vengence" the Peoples Army has been hors de combat for at least five
years now. Lots of E.German stuff around.

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:22:37 -0500
Subject: MINERVA SERIES I

All the recent chat about Minervas brings to mind a bit last year in the
Aluminium Workhorse about a load of Minervas to be imported in the U.S.,
which one could purchase from the enterprising individual for about $3k.
 What happened? Was this another proverbial "jeeps stored in cosmolene for
only $50" story.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:24:05 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: JERRY CANS, ACHTUNG!

Andy Blackley wrote:

> I dont like to advertize for mail order houses, but the Sportsman Guide cat.
 #20134 has 
 E. German surplus 20L jerry cans, made by actual jerries, for $14.97 (item
> B6-13486), and with a cool spout for  $19.97 (item B6-14186). Unissued, but
-
I decided to take a chance and ordered a can ( I have two already, 
but you can always use more) and spout. The B6-14186 is out of stock 
and discontinued, the spouts ($6.+) are back ordered until the end 
of March.
 

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:22:47 -0500
Subject: Unleaded Range Rover

This question keeps coming up. See recent Feb. "Drive Train" in LROI mag.
Heres my experience: I did a ring job on my '83 3.5 V8 last year. It had 112k
miles on it then. The bores were perfect, by the way, but the blow by was
horrendous. Spewed oil out of every joint. New rings gapped like new. I
digress. This truck was imported about 1984 and was labeled for unleaded
only. I presume thats what was used. The valves and seats required  grinding
only and did not need replacement. I use 92 or 93 Octane unleaded now, with
slight retard on ignition. Runs great. PS Series motors do need unleaded
conversion.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 08:34:01 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels

> Popular in Oz, where hot weather and turbo cars often meet, is what
> is known as a TURBO TIMER, which keeps the engine idling for a pre-set
> time after the key is turned off.
-
That's a good inexpensive idea.
The oiler I mentioned is even better, but more expensive. One of it's 
features is rather than have your engine idle for awhile, it has a 
thermo switch that activates an oil pump and feeds oil through the 
turbo housing until it's cooled dowm to a certain temp. It draws the 
oil from your sump, through a fliter, flushes it through the turbo, 
and returns it to the engine sump, ready to cook those fries.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:35:05 -0500
Subject: Kraut Karstoffel Kontainers

Since I dont get the LRO list (my wife is telling to get to work all ready
soz we kin feed the young 'uns) if anybody wants a pic of said jerry cans
send me your fax number and I'll fax you the ad. Fax to: Andy Blackley , C.W.
Courtney Co. (216) 449-0883 
See you later. I love this LRO Digest thing!

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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:35:28 -0500
Subject: Disco Diagnostic Code updates, ABS info.

Oh, two updates/errors  on the Disco diagnostic codes:

1: Somebodyu noticed a typo - I listed "fuel thermistor" as code
 59.  It's not.  It's code 15.

2: I found the "Data Link Cable" - it's a white, flat, oval, five-pin
 connector with a pair of orange side flags.  It lives about one foot
 straight up from the right foot of the passenger in a Disco.
 (in other words, you have to remove the fiberboard cover below 
 the glovebox to get to it).  

 The data link pair is kinda funky- imagine a cable that ends in
 a connector with two wires spliced back out of the connector.  Now,
 plug in a mating connector to the one on the end of the cable,
 and run the two spliced-back wires back into a the connector
 end you just added. 

Disco Hint Du Jour:  Don't flick your ignition switch on and off
a bazillion times.  You'll blow the fuse on the ABS pump.  
And- to reset the system crowbar you need to disconnect the
battery, disconnect and reconnect the ABS brain, replace the
fuse, and reconnect the battery.  The ABS brain is located 
about one foot toward the bow from the glovebox.  There's 
about six brains in there, and the ABS brain is the big 
metal one with a HUGE black right-angle connector that says 
"WABCO" on the side, mounted vertically in a frame. (the engine 
fuel injection brain is the big black plastic one mounted 
right to the fenderside, both are accessed by removing the
glovebox (4 7mm hex-head bolts) and then it's easy to work on.

	-Bill 

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 26 Feb 96  9:03:35 EST
Subject: Seen on TV last night.....

As the wife was channel-surfing, I happened to see a commercial with some Rover 
content.

A 109 pickup, with a VERY large chain attached to its pintle hitch, is driving 
forward until the chain comes taut, lifting the rear off the ground, all with 
spectacular clouds of dust. The screen then goes black, with a voice over 
stating "This is Australian for dentist." (Remind me never to get a toothache 
in Canberra!)

A large can of Foster's lager then appears on the screen, with the voice-over, 
"This is Australian for beer.".

All I could think of was the ease with which Foster's had just undone years of 
work by the Tourist Board. If that's the state of their beermaking and 
dentistry, I don't want to go there.... -ajr

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:14:37 -0500
Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels

In a message dated 96-02-25 21:11:04 EST, you write:

>nd will
>>eventually foul the bearings and lead to premature failure. There are
>Popular in Oz, where hot weather and turbo cars often meet, is what
>is known as a TURBO TIMER, which keeps the engine idling for a pre-set
>time after the key is turned off.

Moroso makes a neat device that might be easier to rig up than the Turbo
Timer, or at least safer, you don't leave your car running while you walk
into the bank. 

It is a pre/post oiler.  A hydraulic cylinder is pressurized with oil while
the engine runs, and when you shut the engine off the cylinder senses the low
pressure, and begins releasing its oil into the system.  If you plumb it only
to the turbo, you can give the bearing some oil as it is cooling down.  I
believe it can also be electrically activated before starting the car, to
pre- oil the engine before you crank it.  

John.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:14:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Unleaded for UK v8 RR

In a message dated 96-02-25 15:59:13 EST, you write:

>ALL UK Range Rover V8's will run unleaded. If yours is a 1972 model, then it

>will be a low compression engine. It will run unleaded without any
>adjustment. 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Gerald.
>-- 

But, the point isn't necessarily compression is it?  I thought this gent was
concerned about hardened valve seats.    Do all RRs use the good valve
 seats?  
John.

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:53:17 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: 2.25 diesel overkill!!??

Dear all,
        Read an emial from Dale D. today that stated a Rover 2.25 diesel
was overkill. Overkill for a Corgi toy Rover maybe! You've got to be
kidding me! You can't think that 62 horsepower is anywhere near adequate
for a Rover! We had a 109 3 door diesel recently, good strong engine, it
would pull down a house low end, but top end was absolutely the stupidest
thing I have ever driven in my life. As far as how fast a Rover should
go... It should go as fast as you want it to go, and the top end of a 2.25
diesel Rover is not good for much on road use at todays speeds. I agree
that diesel Rovers have their place, they are the best in some situations,
especially off road, but are not a well rounded vehicle. Dale, if you truly
think an old 2.25 diesel is overkill, then I wonder why Rover invented the
Tdi and such...I guess they are just trying to kill us all with the
blinding overkill speeds that these diesel Rovers put out. What next...
Lucas electrical systems just too trouble free!!
        Give me a break.

Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:53:40 -0500
Subject: Re: NaOH + Al = blech!
From: "Andrew A. Dallas" <adallas@systemsoft.com>

>From my brother the chemist...

I think the person answering your question about NaOH + Al was confusing
things with, for example, HCl + Al, which would create heat and fizz
(hydrogen) assuming the Al2O3 protective coat on the aluminum was 
breached.
Aluminium is very reactive, but immediately oxidizes in air to coat itself
with Al2O3 (a/k/a sapphire) which is quite impervious.

If I recall (and I'm not sure I do), NaOH + Al -> white gel, the exact
composition I don't recall.  Perhaps NaAlO2 + H2.

-AD

************************************************************************
 Andrew A. Dallas
 Full Spectrum Software, Inc.
 30 Whittemore Road
 Newton, MA 02158, USA

 (617) 965-7580, On Site Office: (508) 647-2948
 email: adallas@tiac.net, Web Page: http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/
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Subject: Re: NaOH + Al = blech!
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 08:20:07 -0000
From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com>

>Aluminium is very reactive, but immediately oxidizes in air to coat itself
>with Al2O3 (a/k/a sapphire) which is quite impervious.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>composition I don't recall.  Perhaps NaAlO2 + H2.
>-AD

Oh, but sodium hydroxide will *rapidly* dissolve the hydrated aluminium 
oxide coating (keep the NaOH away from yer jewellery!) and the aluminium 
beneath giving, as the first correspondant so correctly stated, lots of 
hydrogen and an aqueous solution of sodium aluminate.

                                                        _______
                                                       //_/_|__\___
                                                       \_ - ___ - _d 
                                                         (o)   (o)

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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: Customs Brokerage
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 10:38:43 -0600 (CST)

Can anyone recommend a good customs brokerage in the port of Newark
who can run down all the paperwork for me when I ship my vehicle
back?  Has anyone had any experiences with this?

Vel
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Vel Natarajan                            Phone:  +44-1793-566-323
Motorola Inc.                            Fax:    +44-1793-420-915
Email:  nataraja@cig.mot.com             Mobile: +49-171-854-6670
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From: "Boehme, Doug" <boehmed@iscg.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 11:48:00 PST

I recently purchased a '95 D90 shop manual
and it looks great.  However, it didn't come
with a binder and I can't seem to find one.
I would be willing to order one if someone
has an address.  The paper has 4 holes,
the width of the paper is roughly 8 1/2",
but the length is longer than letter size
and shorter than legal.  (I think it might be
A4 size)

Any help?

(I know, I know, a binder is a "plushmobile"
sort of thing, but I have a funny feeling that
I'll be using it quite a bit.)  :)

Thanks,
Douglas Boehme

'95 Red D90 #2767
boehmed@iscg.com

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From: "DAVE MCKAIN" <MCKAIN@cemr.wvu.edu>
Date:          Mon, 26 Feb 1996 11:51:09 EDT
Subject:       LR Identification

Does anyone out there know what the meaning of an A stamped before 
the serial number on a SII would mean? I have a 1959 SII which was 
thought to at one time to be an ex-Canadian military vehicle that has 
that stamp. Also, has anyone ever seen a non-military LR that was 
painted olive drab (mil green) from the factory that wasn't a 
military vehicle?
Thanks,

David McKain
1972 SIII SWB (parting)
1970 SIIA SWB (parting)
1969 SIIA SWB (parting)
1959 SII Ex-Mil SWB
1963 SIIA SWB
mckain@cemr.wvu.edu
(304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV
USA                     

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 10:55:53 -0600
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: 

I bought all my manuals  from LRO books,Diss,  Norfolk, England. They  
may have some binders or could get you one. I got the electrical  
manual and the parts manual and if you take out the TDI and MPI and  
other pages, amounting to 200 pp or more of cars not relevant to  
disco ownership in US you could put your pages in the one binder.I  
would recommend the electrical and parts books to you as there is  
very little electric. info in the official big manual and the parts  
book shows how sub assemblies go together. John Friedman

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:34:34 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: '89 RR camber setting

Oscar, someone else may be able to correct me, but I was not aware there 
is any camber adjustment on RRs. Maybe the problem lies elsewhere??

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Oscar wrote:

> Anyone know what my options are to a terribly off set front left camber
> setting, -0.41  degrees?  Eating up the outer threads badly.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Oscar
> omont@mnl.sequel.net

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:32:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: A4 binders

Douglas,

> has an address.  The paper has 4 holes,
> the width of the paper is roughly 8 1/2",
> but the length is longer than letter size
> and shorter than legal.  (I think it might be
> A4 size)

    Yes, that is A4, which to use ugly inch sizes is approximately 8"x12" 
    That's the "standard Letter size" paper for most of Europe.  The
    Brits, always doing things different, use 4-ring binders and 4
    holes, but in fact a 2-ring binder from anywhere else in Europe will
    work just fine and let the pages turn easier.

    A4 binders are available in the US, but you have to dig...

    Duncan

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Date: 26 Feb 96 12:56:03 EST
From: Paul.Smail@Washcoll.EDU (Paul Smail)
Subject: Re: Range Rover Part Truck

I recently saw a thread in which a Range Rover Parts Truck was up for sale. I
think it is located in Southern New Hampshire, and I'd like some more
information on it. My only problem is that I have lost the related e-mail
address. Any assistance would be appreciated....If the owner comes across this
message, I'd like more information on the status of the vehicle, including
model year, features, etc.

Thanks very much! I shall be more careful with my mail in the future.

Paul Smail
Chestertown, Maryland

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 10:09 PST
From: gmoore@comox.island.net (Greg Moore)
Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels

>Moroso makes a neat device that might be easier to rig up than the Turbo
>Timer... 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>believe it can also be electrically activated before starting the car, to
>pre- oil the engine before you crank it.

I had one of these on a previous vehicle. I just used a tap to fill and
empty it - no electrics to fail. Kind of neat to watch the oil pressure
warning light go out before the key is turned :-)

Cheers, Greg

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:09:46 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: 2.25 diesel overkill!!??

>go... It should go as fast as you want it to go, and the top end of a 2.25
>diesel Rover is not good for much on road use at todays speeds.

Wrong,IMO.A 25 yr old Rover should go as fast as it was *designed* to
go,not as fast as you want it to,necessarily.Bit like saying a Dakota
should go at 550knots.And they werent designed for todays road speeds.

>that diesel Rovers have their place, they are the best in some situations,
>especially off road, but are not a well rounded vehicle. Dale, if you truly
>think an old 2.25 diesel is overkill, then I wonder why Rover invented the
>Tdi and such...
Nothing is so good it cant be improved upon.....given the money.And the Tdi
fitted into a Series vehicle is even less well rounded.Because by the
time you've fiddled about upgrading brakes,transmission,suspension etc
you've got a Tdi Defender,probably at greater cost than if you bought one
from scratch.
What the devil all these people are in such a *hurry* for I just dont know.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Subject: Re: Unleaded Range Rover
From: David.Tinley@bbc.co.uk (Dave Tinley)
Date: 26 Feb 96 19:25:41 EST

Thanks all for the info.  I think LR have used 3 different compression 
ratios in the RR V8 (before EFi), and the general consensus is that all 
can use UL fuel without conversion, assuming timing is ok.  I've been 
told SD1 car V8's aren't suitable for RR's due to sump not allowing oil 
flow when vehicle is at angle (hill climbing etc.) - also these cannot 
run UL.

Any thoughts or info would be much appreciated.  I now subsrcribe to LRO 
magazine - a great read!
       _______
      [____|\_\==              david.tinley@bbc.co.uk   
      [_-__|__|_-]           
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__.._
                                  

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:00:11 -0500
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Frame-over Restorations

Hi all

This is a quick note to give follow-up for those who followed threads a few 
months ago concerning the frame I purchased for AB which had minor dents in 
the left side outriggers:

This weekend Chris Stevens came over and helped me finish reattaching the 
dashpanel to the frame.  My dashpanel has minor damage to the right doorpost 
which we were able to pull straight before tightening the bolts on the 
support bracket.  The dashpanel measures close to square on both sides and is 
off slightly to the same degree on both sides.  

I know that Mike Smith up at East Coast Rover had mentioned he had troubles 
with frames from AB not meeting spec and having to adjust to fit items on, 
but I can say I have not seen this problem with this.  (If you remember, AB 
discounted the price to me due to the outrigger damage, although it has 
turned out not to be an issue.)

As soon as I get the clutch and brake pedals back in place, tighten down all 
the nuts and bolts, I'm ready to put the bodywork back on! (BTW, even after 
sitting all winter, after the electric was finished, I touched the starter 
and the engine easily cranked...what a bonus)

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:44:29 -0500
From: benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/Kris Benedict)
Subject: Disco.: "The Car Wash Leak"

To all:

Last week, I noticed several posting in referrence to water leaks in the
rear of Discos after being at a car wash.  I didn't print these postings,
and should have, since I am now in need of them.  This past warm weekend, as
I decided I wanted a white Disco instead of gray.  After leaving the car
wash, I thought I'd check out the rear for leaks, after reading about all
the problems, and yep, there it was: leaking out of the bottom of the pass.
side rear speaker.  If anyone has any of the postings or can tell me how
they solved their problem, please e-mail me (marked with high priority) :
benedick@pa.net

Thanks
Kris 94 White (sometimes gray) Disco.

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From: 73363.427@compuserve.com
Date: 26 Feb 96 13:54:40 EST
Subject: Front Drivetrain ?'s

I am currently undergoing some major front drivetrain work on the serIII. First
of all, make certain that you LOCK THOSE HUBS, every once and a while. The PO
didn't and I have just discovered what damage can be caused. The needle bearing
in the U-joints wore down to the point that the stub shaft was wearing on the
stub axle. This then damaged the halfshaft bearings and I have some blueing on
the stub half shaft. I haven't checked yet, but the vibration may have also
damaged the flanges on the locking hubs. Anyway, as I have just started getting
into this and have a few questions.

1. What should the preload be on the Swivel Pin Housing? The LR SerIII shop
manual says 8-10lbs, but an article in the March LROI says that it should be
14-16lbs. Both are without the swivel pin gasket. So why would there be such a
difference between the two sources? 

2. Has anyone found a way to remove the halfshaft bearing race/retaining collar
without destroying the retaining collar. I need to replace the bearings, but
would rather not buy new collars.

3. Both stub shafts have some blueing/scoring from where it rubbed against the
stub axle. Does this require that I replace the stub shafts?

Thanks for any help

  
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Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:50:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Electric water heater/hand crank-starts

In a message dated 96-02-26 09:12:17 EST, you write:

>:
>>Peter, I drive one of those fancy, electric start, double cup-holdered
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>crank!  You do need some electric power, though, for the fuel pump.
>Eric

Wait a minute, are you telling me that there actually is provision to hand
crank a Def90?  I don't see a hole in the bodywork for a crank rod.  Maybe
just in the earlier V8 equipped rovers?

John, 90 wisconsins. 

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From: JEPurnell@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:49:54 -0500
Subject: Insurance Identification

I forget who was having problems with their insurance carrier not correctly
identifying their Land Rover, but I just got some renewal info and they
finally have it correct:
State Farm now acknowledges that I am in fact insuring a 1994 (year)  Land
Rover (make) Defender (model) and they even have the correct VIN.

John. #1336

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:55:40 -0500
Subject: RE: Italian FWD (not rover related)

The Italian's do import a FWD to USA.   I think it's called "Laforsa"
(Forensa?) or something like that.  It's a sport utility that I think looks
like a cross between a Mercedes G-wagon and a Jeep Cherokee.  It has a Ford
5.0L V-8 engine.  I pass by one every day, and supposedly the guy has a
warehouse full of 'em and sells them.  I believe they are in the $40k price
range....

Chris Fisher
Denver, Colorado     '73 LR 88 S III

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:59:48 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Front Drivetrain ?'s

> 2. Has anyone found a way to remove the halfshaft bearing race/retaining collar
> without destroying the retaining collar. 
-
Use  a bearing remover and a press.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:11:46 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Range Rover wood trim

I had an inquiry from a fellow Range Rover owner who wants to get a kit 
of County style wood trim for his (non-County) vehicle. Does anyone know a 
good source for such a thing? 

(Parenthetically, he also asked me how to operate the transfer case 
shifter, which he had not used -- but assured me he was going to, as he 
was off to Arizona to explore the Indian country. Hopefully he will end 
up as another off-road enthusiast).

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 96 15:04:43 LCL
From: Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Disco.: "The Car Wash Leak"

Kris, I have not been able to locate the source for my leak.  After washing my
96 Disco (including flushing out the wheel wells),  the rear load area was
soaked.  I had to remove the rear seats, carpet, and insulation for it to dry
out.

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 12:13:54 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: SF Bay Area - Discovery Advice

I can't advise you about where to buy, but I can tell you I once received 
service from the dealer in Sacramento.  It was OK but not phenomenal.  If 
you buy in Sacramento, look somewhere else for service.
-Matt

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:24:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Roll Bar (Series III)

I reciently checked on having a full cage installed into my '73 88 Series
III.  The shop where I checked wanted $1000 (it seems a bit steep, so I'm
still shopping).  The only problem they saw was having to "crimp" the front
loop to allow access to the heater controls.  They also pointed out that it
needs to connect back to the frame to be any good, and you need to make sure
that you can access all the necessary screws for removing things like trim,
headliner, and dash...  Another suggestion they had was to remount the seat
belts to tabs welded onto the new cage.  You'll also need to decide if you
want to go internal or external with the cage...   Any good weld shop can
custom fabricate the cage (usually alot cheaper than a 4x4 shop).

Now I have a question about roll-cages in Series vehicles...  If you put in a
full cage a reinforce it horizontally, could you (in theory) remove the
bulkhead behind the drivers seats?  Why I was wondering, is bucket seats
would be a nice upgrade, but the reclining position is defeated by the
bulkhead.  (I was thinking something similar to the Defender..)

Thanks, Chris Fisher

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Date:         Mon, 26 Feb 96 15:21:13 LCL
From: Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Discovery Service in Colorado

I'm going to be driving to Colorado this spring and will have some service
done on my Disco.  Does anyone recommend which dealer (Denver,Aspen,Co Sprgs)
for service?  thanks...

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:29:50 -0500
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: NOTAJEEP, 15 minutes of fame

I finally got a copy of the February LRO this weekend.  I thought it was
interesting to see a photo of Steve Denis' former truck NOTAJEEP in Jim
Allen's reinstated Stateside column.  Interesting because another shot of
NOTAJEEP appears in the article on the Mid-Atlantic Rally in the February
issue of LRW.  (If you look closely at this one, you can see the vice
attached to the front bumper.)  The LRW photo can also be found in the
RoverWeb feature on the Mid-Atlantic Rally.

Poor Steve.  He gets rid of his Rover just before it reaches media
superstardom.  Kind of like a friend of mine who used to date a (now) well
known actress.  Ah well, at least he too can look at the magazine photos
and know in his heart that he had her first...

RoverOn!

JAB

==                                                                      ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
                          ==================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)
==                                                                      ==

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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: RE: braaivleis, biltong, sunny skies,......
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 07:40:00 EST

I hope there will be plenty of cold Castles for all these thirsty 
"explorers"!!

Simon, Sydney Oz.
 ----------
From: LRO-Owner
Subject: braaivleis, biltong, sunny skies,......
Date: Monday, 26 February 1996 8:29AM

Peter Hirsch wrote: "I thought that *real* men just used their teeth for
biltong, after opening
their beer bottles with their teeth, of course?"

Yes we do, but it leads to broken driver-side windows, as the head suddenly
jerks when the biltong tears. Also it leads to much higher dental premiums.
My insurer on discovering that I was a series driver made me sign a codicil 
in
which I promise *never* to tear biltong with my teeth while driving. It is
considered just as manly to cut the biltong on the dash with the proviso 
that
you do it with (1) A large panga, or (2) With an axe, or (3) with a swiss
army knife or meat-cleaver, as long as you have a wooden cutting-board 
screwed to
the dash.

Just gnawing the end until its a wet mess is considered *very* unmanly 
*unless* you also have a long beard, wear an earring like Oom Paul Kruger, 
and have at least one mammal in a shirt pocket.(lions teeth or claws are 
only considered manly *if* they are actually imbedded in your body)

Oom Matthew "pass the witblits"
ZA

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:51:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Range Rover wood trim

> I had an inquiry from a fellow Range Rover owner who wants to get a kit 
> of County style wood trim for his (non-County) vehicle. Does anyone know a 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> was off to Arizona to explore the Indian country. Hopefully he will end 
> up as another off-road enthusiast).

He'd better watch it; They say the pioneers take all the arrows. The wood 
trim must be for camouflage. 
 Lewis and Clark in a Range Rover?  

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 13:03:35 -0800
Subject: Re: Disco.: "The Car Wash Leak"

I can tell that you people have missed the long thread about washing Land
Rovers.  

The majority opinion is that real Land Rovers should not be washed and real
Land Rover owners do not wash or have washed their Land Rovers.  Putting wax
on the car was so far beyond the scope of the imagination it didn't even make
the thread.

Bottom line, if you car leaks when you wash it and that bothers you, don't
wash it.

TeriAnn
One of the minority who thought a Land Rover should be washed at least once a
year to remove the lichens growing on the roof.

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:58:03 GMT
From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Unleaded for UK v8 RR

In your message dated Monday 26, February 1996 you wrote :

> But, the point isn't necessarily compression is it?  I thought this gent was
> concerned about hardened valve seats.    Do all RRs use the good valve
>  seats?  
> John.

The point is that there are 2 points. One about the valve seats, and the second 
point is about getting it to run. All Rover V8's that were originally Range 
Rover (not Rover saloon V8) have valve seats that enable unleaded to be used. 
However, high compression engines require an adjustment to the ignition timing, 
whereas those with low compression engines do not. But, as a personal opinion, I 
run leaded anyway, for a variety of reasons, I prefer it to unleaded in my RR.

Gerald
-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Gerald Tan    EMail gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk                              |
| Purely my own opinions - not those of my employer                       |
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:08:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: NOTAJEEP, 15 minutes of fame

Jeffrey, 
This is just totally inappropriate dialog for this list.
You talk about women as if they were property such as 4WD automobiles.
Talk like this should be confined to super market tabloids.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
You will rot in H**L
So there
Jon
........................ 
Poor Steve.  He gets rid of his Rover just before it reaches media
superstardom.  Kind of like a friend of mine who used to date a (now) well
known actress.  Ah well, at least he too can look at the magazine photos
and know in his heart that he had her first...
 
RoverOn!
 
JAB
 
==                                                                      ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:22:30 -0500
Subject: Re: NOTAJEEP, 15 minutes of fame
From: "Andrew A. Dallas" <adallas@systemsoft.com>

If we're going to be P.C. shouldn't it be, "You will rot in Heck?"
-AD

>Jeffrey, 
>This is just totally inappropriate dialog for this list.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 15 lines)]
>known actress.  Ah well, at least he too can look at the magazine photos
>and know in his heart that he had her first...

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From: ARPollard@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:28:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Discovery Service in Colorado

For the person looking for service in Colorado:

I highly recommend Land Rover Colorado Springs.  Their service has always
been exemplary IMHO.  They were Land Rover's deler of the year last year.
 Their lead Rover mechanic, John Torres, is excellent, with many top factory
awards.  He is always happy to welcome you into his work area, answer all
your questions, and discuss the job at whatever level of detail you want.
 Their prices are also reasonable (for a dealer).  Their parts prices are
never significantly higher than Rovers North and can be significantly lower
than Pioneer Centres.

Alan Pollard
Colorado Springs, CO
arpollard@aol.com

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From: 73363.427@compuserve.com
Date: 26 Feb 96 16:38:06 EST
Subject: Re: Front Drivetrain ?'s

>> > 2. Has anyone found a way to remove the halfshaft bearing race/retaining
collar
> without destroying the retaining collar. 
-
Use  a bearing remover and a press. <<

The only problem is I don't have either that has a capacity of 30" or so for the
shaft
  
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    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_______________________]
     EEEI           EEEI

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 26-Feb-1996

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:43:38 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Cranky Defenders

John Purnell wrote:

>In a message dated 96-02-24 16:51:50 EST, you write:

>>John - do you mean to say you actually use your starter? Not your crank? 
>>Peter Hirsch
>	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>>SI 107in S/W
>>Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

>Peter, I drive one of those fancy, electric start, double cup-holdered
>Defender 90s, I couldn't crank it for the life of me!

>:>)  Johnny-boy.

>(I almost said: "Defenders don't *have* cranks.")  oooohhhh the feeling.
> (remember? series don't have center diffs...)

John - *I* never said that, although it was at the tip of my keyboard. 
However, thousand years of Central European history have taught me to keep 
my mouth shut.

As for this obvious defect of your vehicle - couldn't you have your engine 
adapted to accomodate a crank? Or two cranks, if it is a V8? Shall I ask my 
friend about it? We hit a snag with our razor blade bull bar, and he seems a 
little depressed...
Just let me know!
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:43:41 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Welding Birmabright

Re the current thread on aluminium welding - the Land Rover Series One 
Newsletter had the definitive article on welding a few years ago. If there 
is enough interest, I could type it and send it to the list. While the 
suppliers listed in the article are in the UK, maybe somebody else could add 
US sources. Let me know whether you want me to slave over a hot keyboard!
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:43:43 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Biltong and witblits

Matthew Loxton wrote:
>Peter Hirsch wrote: "I thought that *real* men just used their teeth for 
>biltong, after opening 
>their beer bottles with their teeth, of course?"

>Yes we do, but it leads to broken driver-side windows, as the head suddenly 
>jerks when the biltong tears. 

Side windows? *Real* men do not have side windows.

>It is considered just as manly to cut the biltong on the dash with the 
proviso that 
>you do it with (1) A large panga, or (2) With an axe, or (3) with a swiss army 
>knife or meat-cleaver, as long as you have a wooden cutting-board screwed to 
>the dash.

Swiss army knife? Swiss army knife? Tell me you did not mean to say that! A 
slip of the keyboard for "Large Russian bayonet"?

>Oom Matthew "pass the witblits"
>ZA

Witblits, for the uninitiated, might be translated as White Lightning. I 
always thought the stuff was worse than lightning until lightning singed me 
on a hike in the Alps. Pretty bad galvanic corrosion, I can assure you! 
Nothing compared to what witblits will do to your inside, though. Also, 
lightning supposedly never strikes the same place twice, while witblits 
does, if you are not careful.
Longing to go back - maybe 1997
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:10:14 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Front Drivetrain ?'s

> Use  a bearing remover and a press. <<
 
 The only problem is I don't have either that has a capacity of 30" or so for the
> shaft

I resorted to going to a machine shop.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:23:42 -0500
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: Series Washing: (was Re: Disco.: "The Car Wash Leak")

>The majority opinion is that real Land Rovers should not be washed and real
>Land Rover owners do not wash or have washed their Land Rovers.

>TeriAnn

>One of the minority who thought a Land Rover should be washed at least once a
>year to remove the lichens growing on the roof.

Funny you should mention this TeriAnn.  I too am amongst that minority who
feels as you do: tools work better if they're kept clean.  My problem isn't
lichens, but rather road salt, which  out East is spread around willy-nilly
as if the stuff could just be found laying around in the ground!  While I
no longer spend weekends buffing out Blue Coral (like I used to with my
GTi), I do like to keep the Rover reasonably clean if for no other reason
than to save my clothing from salt stains everytime I brush against the
side.

We're currently "suffering"  a bout of spring-like weather here in
Connecticut, (please...don't ...stop)  so today I took the Rover up to the
coin-op self wash to pressure wash the underside and rinse the surface
mud/dirt/salt off of the body and soft top.  (Wax wasn't considered.)

The Rover thanked me for these kind attentions by refusing to start -- for
the first time ever.  (Well, maybe not true.  Now that I think about it, it
may have balked last year when I gave it a post-winter rinse!)

Of course, when it didn't start right up, I managed to flood it trying to
get it too catch.  The worst part was walking up to the woman behind me in
her Nissan Pathfinder and explaining why she should back up and choose
another lane.  She, of course, "reported me" to the office.  (OOoooooh!
Buuustttted...)  Suddenly eight third world mechanics, who are currently
employed as dryers in the full service part of the car wash, gathered
around my truck and began offering helpful suggestions.  Unfortunately in
Spanish, which, best intentions aside, is a language that I've yet found
time to master.  (True, some say the same for my English.)

At the pandomimed insistence of my new friends, I popped the bonnet.
Before I could say a word they had my distributer cap off.  No water (and I
mean NONE!) , but they wiped it out anyway.  Once replaced, they motioned
me to try again.  By this time the carb flood had subsided, and I guess
whatever was wet had dried out somewhat, because the car turned right over,
caught, and began to idle, albiet roughly.  Of course, the gathering of
"mechanics" cheered and begun slapping each other on the back,
congratulating themselves on another successful repair.  The leader flashed
me a thumbs up, and suggested that I get some spray for my distributer cap
(even though the thing was bone-dry.)  I thanked them for their help and
threw a few of dollars in their tip bucket.  (It never hurts to keep
friends once you've made them, and these guys may be bailing me out again
this year if we get another storm, which will require another rinsing.)

All-in-all, it was a lot of fun,  but I'd really like to know why she
wouldn't catch to begin with.  I'm reasonably certain it wasn't the
distributer.  Driving home I couldn't let the engine loaf at all or it
would want to die.  No problems so long as I kept the RPMs up.  When I got
home, the Rovewr would idle no problem  but she was reluctant to start
again.  Hopefully, this problem works itself out soon.

 I may reluctantly end up in the never wash camp.  Or at least do the
washing in the driveway using less water pressure...

RoverOn!

JAB

==                                                                      ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
                          ==================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)
==                                                                      ==

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:12:40 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: RE: Italian FWD (not rover related)

On Mon, 26 Feb 1996 ChrisF6724@aol.com wrote:
to the best of my knowledge the la forza is just a full sized bronco with
minor body mods. I believe the company went bankrupt about 2 yrs ago > 
> The Italian's do import a FWD to USA.   I think it's called "Laforsa"
> (Forensa?) or something like that.  It's a sport utility that I think looks
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Chris Fisher
> Denver, Colorado     '73 LR 88 S III

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:38:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Cranky Defenders

On Mon, 26 Feb 1996 lopezba@atnet.at wrote:

> However, thousand years of Central European history have taught me to keep 
> my mouth shut. We hit a snag with our razor blade bull bar, and he seems a 
> little depressed...

	You central European types... <sigh>  Still using ancient technology.
	No wonder your friend is depressed.  Us Northwestern European types
	(decendents) have moved away from such primitive technologies.
	[Remember, we are used to larger animals scurrying about... Elk etc]
	Give Rovers North a call.  Lanny should have the front crank or
	pto chainsaw bull bars.  Razor blades just won't cut it when you are
	after some moose or elk for those really big Land Rover gatherings.
	Also useful when you realise that your course down the hydro cut 
	has tall wooden objects appearing in your path (Damn Ents...)

	Rgds from the land of *big* game...

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:45:19 -0500
From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net>
Subject: Land Rover Pays!

Received my refund check for $587.13 today from LRNA to cover the 
replacement fuel tank, labor and tax I had to have installed 18 months 
ago. Plus, I got a third tank (replacing the nearly new one) at no 
additional charge. I've read some mixed reviews of LRNA, but they do pay 
their bills (took less than 30 days after a I submitted a reimbursement 
request).

Shaun Carrigan
'88 RR

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:49:02 -0500
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: Re: Cranky Defenders

Dixon Writes:
>        Give Rovers North a call.  Lanny should have the front crank or
>        pto chainsaw bull bars.  Razor blades just won't cut it when you are
>        after some moose or elk for those really big Land Rover gatherings.
>   >> Also useful when you realise that your course down the hydro cut <<
>    >> has tall wooden objects appearing in your path (Damn Ents...)<<

More propaganda from the Dept. of Forestry Dixon?  I seem to remember you
muttering a mantra when you changed jobs a few months ago.  I believe it
went something like "Strip mining: Bad!  Clear cutting: Good!". Now it
seems you've altered your Rover to promote the cause.  Or maybe this allows
you to attend OVLR events during working hours under the guise of "being in
the field"?

RoverOn!

JAB

==                                                                 ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg         Purple Shark Media             Rowayton, CT
                        jeff@purpleshark.com
                                *****
Look what happens when you love someone, and they don't love you.
                                       --Warren Zevon, The Heartache
==                                                                 ==

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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 17:03:53 -0600
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Power steering leak(or ooze) on a Disco

I find a few drops of PS fluid on the ground under Disco and two  
drops of same beaded on the ferrules of the oil cooler hoses. But no  
low PS fluid in tank. I see some ooze at the pipes from tank into  
rubber hoses to PS pump. I will as soon as warmer tighten the  
aircraft  clips holding the hoses to these pipes. But as I did not  
see any obvious drip from the PS pump, if anyone has some ideas on  
where this stuff is a escaping from please let me know or post  
generally. Thanks, John Friedman

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 18:50:21 -0500
Subject: Re: JERRY CANS, ACHTUNG!

 The history of these cans is that the original design by the Wehrmacht was
so good both sides of the Iron Curtain adopted it as standard design, in
their own factories of course. Both West and East German armies continued to
use tried and true equipment designs in the cold war. My old can is Russian
w/  a lamda in stead of an L for liter. When mine arrives I'll report on the
quality. Cheers. AKBlackley

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:12:04 -0500
Subject: UNLEADED IN V8

Another thought re: subject: I had same concern when I bought mine and was
told that all V8s used same hardened valve seat, which is the only genuine
replacement sold now(this from RN) and not to worry. But it occurs that this
may be true only for engines built after Rover federalized the V8 for the
TR-8 in the late seventies. Anyone else know/or verify? .
Cheers AKBlackley

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:34:18 -0700
From: Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com>
Subject: Disco ABS & Comments

Week 1 with my new (to me) '94 Disco. Found one w/ 9K mi in perfect
condition, 5 speed cloth. The way I wanted it. I have some  questions:

 - Is there any way to temporarily disable ABS? I found it disconcerting to
NOT be able to lock up the wheels on dirt roads or in deep snow. Has anyone
experimented with installing an override switch? The manual describes 3
different fuses for the ABS system! BMW R1100GS motorcycles  (a dual sport)
use a system where if you depress a button when starting the bike, the ABS
remains disabled until next start. ABS light remains lit to remind you of
the override. This would be my ideal modification.

- Bull bars / brush guards: LR genuine is quite expensive in US. Any third
party bars available in US? Any experience with shipping over 3rd party from
England, where they seem CHEAP compared to here? Anyone seen the new "soft"
LR factory bar which is not available in US?  I am aware that only the LR
non-soft is "certified" for use with the SRS system, but I am assuming that
is a NHTSA reg. issue and not a genuine safety issue. Thoughts?

Also,  The volume on this list seems TREMENDOUS! Any thoughts of splitting
it into Series vehicles / RR, Disco?

-Paul Orland - Boulder, Colorado
94 Disco, Portifino Red.

------------------------------

From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:28:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Seen on TV last night.....

In a message dated 96-02-26 10:20:15 EST, you write:

>All I could think of was the ease with which Foster's had just undone years
>of 
>work by the Tourist Board. If that's the state of their beermaking and 
>dentistry, I don't want to go there.... -ajr

This reminds me of a Honda Passport (suv? really?) adv in a magazine.  The
"vehicle" is shown blowing over some rough terrain (no, really, it is more
than a few old crushed Haagen Dasz cartons...) with at least one wheel off
the ground (I bet that particlular truck never saw the light of day again...)
and lots of dust and everything.  

At the bottom?  TREAD LIGHTLY info.  Come on.  Look at the picture?  you call
that treading lightly?  "Honda is a proud sponsor of the TREAD LIGHTLY
campaign to save..."......blah blah blah. 

Bad marketting sure can undo years of hard work.

John.

------------------------------

From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 20:30:23 -0500
Subject: hand crank facility

The demise of the crank handle - more that a start aid.
There certainly isn't any way to hand crank a recent Defender that is not 
NAS.  There is no access hole and in any case no fitting on the front end 
of the crank shaft, just a bolt. I found this surprising for this type of 
truck. My Lada Niva has a working crank handle that is a great help in 
setting points etc. The lack in the D90 means that a controlled turn over 
of the engine has one under the vehicle with a wrench, unable to see where 
the tappets are when you want to check gaps.
Allan Smith
300 Tdi 90  el Galeon
St. Lucia

>Wait a minute, are you telling me that there actually is provision to hand
>crank a Def90?  I don't see a hole in the bodywork for a crank rod.  Maybe
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>just in the earlier V8 equipped rovers?
>John, 90 wisconsins. 

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:28:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: It's too loud in here...

> Also,  The volume on this list seems TREMENDOUS! Any thoughts of splitting
> it into Series vehicles / RR, Disco?

    Hey, now *there's* an idea!  (and he thought there were a lot of
    messages before....)

    I find when the volume on the list gets too high, I just crank it
    down to 1 or 2, or stuff earplugs in...

    Duncan

------------------------------

From: Solihul@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:34:34 -0500
Subject: need help in JaxFL

I saw an ad for an import place in Jacksonville that has some diesel engines.
Spoke to a fellow who *thinks* he *may* have some 2.25s. Is there an LRO in
Jax, reading this list that can go  check this out? There's a possibility of
military surplus Iron Dukes, too. Cheers! John Dillingham Woodstock, GA

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:34:37 -0800
Subject: Re: Disco ABS & Comments

On Feb 26,  3:34pm, Paul Orland wrote:
> Subject: Disco ABS & Comments
<snip>
>Also,  The volume on this list seems TREMENDOUS! Any thoughts of
splitting
>it into Series vehicles / RR, Disco?
>-Paul Orland - Boulder, Colorado
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>94 Disco, Portifino Red.
>-- End of excerpt from Paul Orland

Paul,

I hope you are new to the list with this kind of comment!!!!
otherwise, go away :>) This comes up from time to time, and we
*just* got the noise level down. Face it, the series folks can't
live without their younger siblings, and they keep insisting that
we Disco/RR/D90 folks stick around ::>>)) (I am currently covered
with flame retardant so go ahead folks, flame me ::>>))

Seriously, this gets bounced around from time to time and so far we
fortunately have been able to stay one big happy family learning
things (hopefully) from each other besides knowning that Rovering
is Good.

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Splitting the list(s)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:13:38 +1030 (CDT)

 Paul Orland suggests:

> Also,  The volume on this list seems TREMENDOUS! Any thoughts of splitting
> it into Series vehicles / RR, Disco?

No Please dont start this again, we go this route every few months...
Hey am I the only one getting messages from Bill C. ?
The list *IS* split already  Honest!

You want proof  OK  Bill Posted this Yesterday

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 00:23:15 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

	Major Domo now has over 1000 subscribers on the combined LRO lists

	Land-Rover-Owner 911 members (741 digest, 186 real-time)
	UK-LRO 		 166 members (  7 digest, 159 real-time)
	AU/EU/ZA	  75 members ( 40 AU, 35 EU, 20 ZA )
	RRO		  23 members

RRO is the Range Rover Owners list, and ISTR when it was first set up it 
was basically for all of the more recent Land Rovers including Discos etc..

Please the list *is* already split, lets not have another flame war my 
mailer cant handle it..

cheers
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:56:28 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Lumiweld

David Cockey wrote with questions about aluminum "brazing" rods...
sometimes called "Lumiweld" though there are a handful of others.  While I 
haven't used it on Birmabright yet, I have been able to patch up .50 cal 
holes punched in beer cans with a chisel.  If you can patch up a beer can 
without burning through, then you can patch *anything*.  Lumiweld and all of 
its clones melt at 732 F, so you can fill in largish holes with ease.  
The curious thing is that the resulting metal is Rockwell 55-60 in 
hardness - damned bloody hard to machine or drill.  It can be used on all 
non-ferrous metals (and for joining dissimilar ones) including brass, 
bronze, and "white" or "pot-metal" (zinc-rich alloys).  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: RE: Disco ABS & Comments
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 11:59:00 EST

Hi there Paul

> - Is there any way to temporarily disable ABS? I found it disconcerting to
>NOT be able to lock up the wheels on dirt roads or in deep snow. Has anyone
>experimented with installing an override switch? The manual describes 3
>different fuses for the ABS system! BMW R1100GS motorcycles  (a dual sport)

A few years ago when ABS was first fitted to RR's some guys in our local 
club (Range Rover Club of Australia - NSW Branch) experimented with putting 
a toggle switch in the ABS circuit.  If my memory is correct they could 
quite happily disable the ABS by turning the switch to the other position. 
 But to re-engage you had to turn the ignition off and allow the cpu to go 
through it start up self testing routine.  Don't know if the factory has 
done anything about override yet though.

>- Bull bars / brush guards: LR genuine is quite expensive in US. Any third
>party bars available in US? Any experience with shipping over 3rd party 
from
>England, where they seem CHEAP compared to here? Anyone seen the new "soft"

ARB build some very good bars for RR's/Disco/Defenders... standard bars fit 
over the existing bumper and the deluxe type replace it and are capable 
(separate model) of mounting high or low mount Warn winches.

>Also,  The volume on this list seems TREMENDOUS! Any thoughts of splitting
>it into Series vehicles / RR, Disco?

Check the digest from a few weeks ago.  There was a HUGH debate raging over 
splitting this list - I will say no more...

Simon Barclay
Sydney Australia

'90 5sp RR
'51 Series 1 (Louie)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:15:48 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: RE: Avon Rangemaster 215-75-16 Tires

Has anyone had experience with these tires -- are the Avons the right size
for a Range Rover? I am told the Avon Rangemasters are equivalent
replacements for stock Range Rover Michelins. However, I would have thought
the outside diameter of a 215-75-R16 would be slightly smaller than the
205R16 -- can anyone shed enlightenment on this subject? 

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 20:26:16 -0500
Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels

In a message dated 96-02-26 15:18:01 EST, you write:

>.
>I had one of these on a previous vehicle. I just used a tap to fill and
>empty it - no electrics to fail. Kind of neat to watch the oil pressure
>warning light go out before the key is turned :-)

Greg thanks for the note...I 've only read about these, glad ato hear that
they actually work!
John, D90-non turbo model.

------------------------------

From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 20:26:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Unleaded for UK v8 RR

In a message dated 96-02-26 16:14:45 EST, you write:

>But, as a personal opinion, I 
>run leaded anyway, for a variety of reasons, I prefer it to unleaded in my
>RR.
>Gerald

Thanks Gerald, in the case that all RRs "could" use unleaded (since all have
the better valve seats), I guess then the problem reduces down to simply the
timing/compr ratio  issue.  Thanks.
John.

------------------------------

From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 17:30:38 -0800
Subject: Re: Disco ABS & Comments

Opps ... from the title I thought the subject would be abdomen muscle
strengthening through dancercise.  But while I'm here....

> Face it, the series folks can't
> live without their younger siblings, and they keep insisting that
> we Disco/RR/D90 folks stick around ::>>))
>  (I am currently covered with flame retardant so go ahead folks,
 > flame me ::>>))
;
Don't be ridiculous!  

Us series only owners have been trying to get away from the huge volume of CD
changer, seat switch, ECU, & leaks postings that  have as much in common with
series Land Rovers as Jeep discussions..maybe less.

The plushmobile crowd seems to feel insecure about going it alone and cling
to the series group for a sense of identity and history.  The North American
series owners did just fine on this news group before it got taken over by
hordes of plushmobile owners.

TeriAnn

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From: David Scott Mary Ann <birddog@auburn.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Progress
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 20:59:53 -0600

Stripped the bulkhead of Lady Di, took all afternoon with a helper,  but =
all parts are off.  will strip the paint sand and prime this week.  =
Don't see how any non super natural human can rewire this thing.  =
Hopefully Prince Charles will get his new engine installed, tranny, =
exhaust and brake lines  this wk-end.  Frogman justs sits there in his =
kit.  May change the name from Frogman to Clinton, as he seems to come =
back from anything. birddog

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Subject: Re: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet 
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:10:42 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199602231630.IAA26820@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>you wrote:

> It might interest some of you that there is a new place to buy Land 
> rover parts and accessories on the net. The address is 
> http://www.techline.com/~europart It's a nice page with lots of LR links 

	A very interesting page.   Very interesting.  "Lot's of LR links"
Yup, all to Lloyd Allison's page.  Funny, their background image looks
very familiar.  It's the exact one as the OVLR and FAQ pages.  (I spent a
lot of time tweaking that image so I know it).  And under their 90/110
part is a picture of Spot from the Joe Lucas Mendocino Trip last April,
that just happens to be a photograph that I shot and has been on the OVLR
page for months.  Their photo of a D110 is one that I took at the 1st
Mid-Atlantic Rally and also has been on the OVLR pages for months.  Their
Disco photo is another one of mine from the OVLR pages that was taken at the
1st Mid-Atlantic Rally in Virginia.   Funny that I didn't know that these
images were being used until I went and looked at his page.

	Ahh, the Web at work.  Just snag any image that you can find on 
the web and use it for an advertisement to hawk your wares.  I wonder if
he has Land Rover's permission to use the Land Rover logo in his 
advertisements...

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

------------------------------

From: KROPP_J@CC.DENISON.EDU
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:25:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Looking for LR

Hello all,
	I am in need of some help to locate a late IIa or III 88".  If anybody 
has any suggestions of were I might try would be helpful. Prefer it to be 
running and in good condition.  I was in the CT area last weekend and noticed 
a ton.  If anybody knows of any or who I could talk to would be a great help. I 
have been looking since Sept. but buying a car over the phone is not an easy 
task. Appreciate ANY help you may have, J.B. Kropp  Kropp_J@Denison.edu

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:55:58 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Vanna of my dreams!

 Wheel of Fortune prize today: $37,000 Land Rover Discover, Grey/Grey

 I want!    (...sorry, Rumpole)

                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 

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From: flo8@usa.pipeline.com (Flo)

I've recently moved to South Florida from the British Virgin Islands where
I had the pleasure to own 2 SWB Series III's, one of which I did a
chassis-up rebuild.  I am now suffering from LR withdrawl symptoms.   
 
I'm contemplating on importing an ex-Ministry-of-Defense Series III
Lightweight.  Is this possible with the EPA and DOT regulations? 
Can I import it minus the engine and then re-engine with a suitable
domestic V6 or V8 that would pass the emissions test?  Is the Rover 3.5 V8
based on a US engine? 
 
Also, If I do this I'm going to have to something about the rear axle. 
Will a Range Rover axle fit a Lightweight?  I've changed enough half-shafts
in my life.   
 
Anybody got any suggestions on the above?  By the way, my rebuilt Series
III SWB is still for sale, if anyone's looking to move to the British
Virgin Islands. 
 
Frogman  

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From: 104115.3255@compuserve.com
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:46:27 -0500
Subject: disco manual for sale

FOR SALE:

Disco Factory Workshop Manual with original binder for US$70.00 - brand new
Disco 3-piece Genuine Carpet Floor Mat for US$50.00 - new, came with purchase

If interested, please respond back by e-mail.  Thank you.

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:32:30 -0800
Subject: Re: Disco ABS & Comments

On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Paul Orland <paulor@chs.com> wrote:

>Also,  The volume on this list seems TREMENDOUS! Any thoughts of splitting
>it into Series vehicles / RR, Disco?

Aaaaaahhhhh!!!!!  Not again....there's going to be more volume on the split than 
 on anything Rover related.

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:32:35 -0800
Subject: Re: 2.25 diesel overkill!!??

On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) wrote:

>Wrong,IMO.A 25 yr old Rover should go as fast as it was *designed* to
>go,not as fast as you want it to,necessarily.Bit like saying a Dakota
>should go at 550knots.And they werent designed for todays road speeds.

I have to agree in theory.  Series Rovers really can only safely go so fast.  My 
vehicle is basically a 1 ton SIII with a V8 engine.  Although I thirst for power 
for towing and acceleration, the top speed can only be so much.  You then get 
into problems of braking and steering control.  That's why the 90/110 has disc 
brakes and a revised steering system (also to clear the pesky exhast manifold). 
I find it takes particular attention when taking advantage of the extra speed, 
much more than on a vehicle originally designed for such power.  Granted, a 
2.25l diesel propels a Rover nowhere near anything that could be considered an 
unsafe speed on a paved roadway ;).

IMHO, of course.

Eric

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:32:46 -0800
Subject: Rover SD1 Engines

Has anyone had experience with bolting an SD1 engine in a RR or Stage 1?  A 
recent post mentioned the oil sump as a problem...can i just bolt the old one 
on?  I have an opportunity to buy one and I was hoping to use the engine as an 
interim measure until I can rebuild my original mill.

Regards,
Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:32:42 -0800
Subject: Re: JERRY CANS, ACHTUNG!

On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, AKBLACKLEY@aol.com wrote:

> The history of these cans is that the original design by the Wehrmacht was
>so good both sides of the Iron Curtain adopted it as standard design, in
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>w/  a lamda in stead of an L for liter. When mine arrives I'll report on the
>quality. Cheers. AKBlackley

An additional note on jerrycan history.  As you folks probably already know, 
they were named as such by the Brits fighing Rommel in North Africa (don't dare 
ask which war).  It seems the English had trouble with their models, causing 
shortages of fuel and nearly their defeat....funny how something as seemingly 
insignificant as a gas can can have such an effect.  

This is just heresay....so please don't flame me if I got it wrong.

Eric

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:32:50 -0800
Subject: Re: Seen on TV last night.....

On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, PurnellJE@aol.com wrote:

>This reminds me of a Honda Passport (suv? really?) adv in a magazine.  The
>"vehicle" is shown blowing over some rough terrain (no, really, it is more
>than a few old crushed Haagen Dasz cartons...) with at least one wheel off
>the ground (I bet that particlular truck never saw the light of day again...)
>and lots of dust and everything.  

Same BS with the new Pathfinder run of commercials set in Africa (yeah, right). 
 I don't find anything wrong with driving fast, so long as its not on some 
pristine (yes, still in some places in Africa) natural landscape.  Just promotes 
the monster mudder - jacked sky high - more power than most OTR trucks, image of 
off road driving.

IMHO
Eric

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:07:13 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet 

At 07:10 PM 2/26/96 -0800, Ben Smith wrote:
:
:>> It might interest some of you that there is a new place to buy Land 
:>> rover parts and accessories on the net. The address is 
:>> http://www.techline.com/~europart It's a nice page with lots of LR links
: 
:Funny, their background image looks very familiar.  It's the exact one as
:the OVLR and FAQ pages.  And under their 90/110 just happens to be a
:photograph that I shot and has been on the OVLR page for months.  Their
:photo of a D110 is one that I took and also has been on the OVLR pages for
:months.  Their Disco photo is another one of mine from the OVLR pages.
:
:	Ahh, the Web at work.  Just snag any image that you can find on 
:the web and use it for an advertisement to hawk your wares.

 Plagiarism is the most sincerest form of flattery.

 YIKKES!!  They have a link to our Series Aftermarket Parts page.
 ....I thought no-one ever read that!

                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 

------------------------------

Subject: Re: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet 
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 23:28:41 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <bulk.20108.19960226230832@Land-Rover.Team.Net>you wrote:

>  Plagiarism is the most sincerest form of flattery.

	Usually, except when used it for personal, financial profit.
 
>  YIKKES!!  They have a link to our Series Aftermarket Parts page.
>  ....I thought no-one ever read that!

	Wow, they are updating quickly.  That wasn't there last time I checked.
I wonder how long until they start selling your list to their customers?

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

------------------------------

From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Rover SD1 Engines etc
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:06:11 +1030 (CDT)

Eric asks: 
> Has anyone had experience with bolting an SD1 engine in a RR or Stage 
1?  A recent post mentioned the oil sump as a problem...can i
just bolt the old one on?  I have an opportunity to buy one and I was
hoping to use the engine as a interim measure until I can rebuild my
original mill. 

AFAIK you will need to change the sump and timing cover/water pump assy, 
maybe the front pully, and of course  retain the vehicles exhaust 
manifolds. thats about it.  I dont know what the go is re: fuel injection

Why not rebuild the SD1 motor, and swap necessaries on installation?

cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 07:24:41 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: 2.5l VM Turbo Diesel

I have been warned that a particular make of Turbo Diesels fitted to 
Range-Rover's was a lemon. The person said that the cylinders had individual 
head gaskets, and were prone to blow, necessitating the whole lot to be 
changed etc. 
There is a suspicion in my mind that the 1990 Range-Rover I am trying to buy 
is one of these. It has the 2.5L Turbo VM diesel (VM is the supplier, 
Stabilimenti Meccanici VM SpA of
Cento Italy).
Does anyone know anything of the VM engine, is this the lemon motor?

Also, this particular engine has a blown gasket on the turbo, and the PO says 
that they are waiting for a replacement, but in the mean time it has been 
wired(?) down, and is running OK.

Does a smudged or blown turbo gasket imply a buggered or soon to be history 
turbo?

Please help
Matthew "pass the wrench"
ZA

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 00:00:00 -0800
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Re: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet

Jason LaBranch writes in response to a fake testimonial for a sleazy online
rover product "vendor" who URL shall remain nameless:

:The way your post looks, seems like you are just a satisfied customer.  But,
:please don't take this wrong, it REALLY looks like you are affiliated somehow
:to this company.  Their home page and your home page have the exact same errors
:in them.  You both exist on the same server.
:
:THIS IS NOT BAD.  However it would be usefull information if you were to state
:how you are affiliated, if you are at all.  Please, don't take this as an
attack.

Gene,

Ummm, I'd say it *was* bad. His post is nothing more than thinly veiled
spam. And illegal copyright-violation-ridden spam at that.  I wonder if
"EURO PARTS LTD." is incorporated, or if "Gene" and his cohorts are
personally liable for all the companies finances? They are a little vague
about their company details, mnentioning a nameless "parent company" who
has been "trading" since the 1950s, but who shall apparently remain
nameless. Please, feel free to take this as an attack.

-jory

ps: For what it's worth, Techline is located in Washington State. Perhaps
someone on the list could drop them some potted meat product.

pps: Note how the sleaze level of the spam was subtly enhanced by the fact
that their page urges you to use a Microsoft browser, and is ride with html
errors.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:33:43 GMT
From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: RE: Avon Rangemaster 215-75-16 Tires

In your message dated Monday 26, February 1996 you wrote :

> Has anyone had experience with these tires -- are the Avons the right size
> for a Range Rover? I am told the Avon Rangemasters are equivalent
> replacements for stock Range Rover Michelins. 

When they first introduced the EFi models in Oct 1985, the standard fitment of 
tyres (tires?) were either
Michelin XM&S200 R16 or
Avon Rangemaster 215/75 R16

But for an '89 model, it changed again anyway, to Michelin XM&S244 R16.

Gerald
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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 08:48:53 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: turbo engine timer

James, you wrote "Popular in Oz, where hot weather and turbo cars often meet, 
is what
is known as a TURBO TIMER, which keeps the engine idling for a pre-set
time after the key is turned off."

This is illegal in ZA (Road Traffic Act29 of 1989), "thou shalt not leave 
thine engine running unattended" or something to that effect.

Are you sure its legal in OZ?

Matthew "Pass the bobbejaanspanner"
ZA

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 07:39:39 GMT
From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Rover SD1 Engines

In your message dated Monday 26, February 1996 you wrote :

> Has anyone had experience with bolting an SD1 engine in a RR or Stage 1?  A 
> recent post mentioned the oil sump as a problem...can i just bolt the old one 
> on?  I have an opportunity to buy one and I was hoping to use the engine as an 
> interim measure until I can rebuild my original mill.

If you are an "0ff-road aniaml", you won't be happy with the high compression 
ratio of the engine, plus there is less low-down torque from the car engine then 
there is from a LR engine. But if you want it for on-road work only as an 
interim measure, go ahead!

Gerald 
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