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1 William Caloccia [calocc98[not specified]
2 David Olley at New Conce37Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
3 lopezba@atnet.at 17Re: The good old days
4 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co30Re: The good old days
5 PurnellJE@aol.com 15Re: Aluminium Primer Question
6 PurnellJE@aol.com 20Re: OVLR Birthday Party
7 PurnellJE@aol.com 23Re: Electric water heater
8 FTWAROG@moose.uvm.edu 24Howdy folks!
9 David.Tinley@bbc.co.uk (14[not specified]
10 Wdcockey@aol.com 27Re: Galvanic corrosion (anodes and electrical current)
11 fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Fra15Re: Italian 4WD
12 smthengr@sirius.com (Jef30Re: cruise and abs on disco
13 Rob Bailey [baileyr@cuug14For Sale: 1968 88" Safari
14 "Soren Vels Christensen"17Re: Frog LW
15 Gerald Tan [gtan@bbchw.d21Re: Unleaded for UK v8 RR
16 Wdcockey@aol.com 30LR toy models from swap meet
17 Wdcockey@aol.com 23Re: Aluminium Primer Question (Welding vs. Brazing)
18 GMA [calvin-gm@granite.m10For Sale: 1989 RR Parts truck
19 James Carley [carley@man26Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels
20 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn19Re: OVLR Birthday Party
21 Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn65Re: OVLR Birthday Party
22 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em19Re: OVLR Birthday Party
23 Xavier541@aol.com 9Roll Bar
24 amaravil@copper.ucs.indi19Re: cruise and abs on disco
25 amaravil@copper.ucs.indi17Re: OVLR Birthday Party
26 John Putnam [jdputnam@pa42RE:Alternator Goes
27 Oscar [omont@mnl.sequel.12'89 RR camber setting
28 Igor Cerutti [igor@tinet34Re: Italian 4WD
29 "Matthew Loxton" [mloxto13LROC - ZA anniversary
30 "Matthew Loxton" [mloxto37biltong is..
31 "Matthew Loxton" [mloxto25braaivleis, biltong, sunny skies,......


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Subject: Major D, Updated pages 
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 00:23:15 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Mailing List:		Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	Due to the increasing number to totally screwed-up mailers out there,
I've had to change the way the land-rover-owner real-time list is done.  In
theory, it should go 'paws-up' and die if someone sends it something really
gross (such as the CC-MAILER at AAC.COM sending anything), or certain
other known atrocities being comitted.

	I can't promise that all the spam will be delete entirely, but
	0 to 30 lines is better than 1000 lines of forwarded digest :-)

	As for the land-rover-owner real-time and digest users, you may have
noticed that the mail is reaching you sooner after it is sent.  This is 
thanks to a utility called Bulk Mailer (1.3), which Major Domo has enlisted
to assist in sending out the hundreds of messages.

	Major Domo now has over 1000 subscribers on the combined LRO lists

	Land-Rover-Owner 911 members (741 digest, 186 real-time)
	UK-LRO 		 166 members (  7 digest, 159 real-time)
	AU/EU/ZA	  75 members ( 40 AU, 35 EU, 20 ZA )
	RRO		  23 members

	Subscribe to the uk-lro-digest with 'subscribe uk-lro-digest' by
writing to your favorite mailing list: majordomo@land-rover.team.net

	I'm still looking for UK/IE volunteer to help administer the UK List.

adds, drops and generic Majordomo-Owner stuff.

	back issues of the digest are available under 		lro-digest
    Starting two weeks ago:
	back issues of the UK-digest are available under 	uk-lro-digest
	and the down-under mail pile is available under		au-lro

	==================================================

Updated pages:
	http://www.OpenMarket.com/personal/caloccia/lr/pages.html
	http://www.OpenMarket.com/personal/caloccia/lr/lr-images/

Hi Y'all,

	Well, last week I drove to Rochester to run the 'SnowFlake' road
rallye in my Rangie and co-driver Richard Welty (he runs the BMW, school,
and italian car lists, BTW).  We did ok, it was wicked cold out, and after
about 48 hours with a 50%+ duty cycle, the Range Rover's heater blower motor
started to cook.  It still works, and I've tried not to use it much, 'cause
I'm not looking forward to tearing the dash apart. I logged a total of 850 
miles from Friday evening to Sunday night, most of it in either blizard 
conditions, or freezing cold, or a wee bit of both, upon returning the 
entire vehicle was covered with a fine powder of calcium chloride, white
on green from roo-bar to receiver.

	Then I get back to find out that the bastards at Shoreline Development,
towed my '63 IIA while I was away, even though I told them I wasn't going to be
about to move it if it snowed.  Then I had to deal with the Mass RMV,
and they accessed me $363 sales tax on the '63 IIa, even though I only paid
$800 for it :-(  time to file more forms to get that money back.

	And the Hounslow council sent another demand for the tax money that
my theiving landlord supposedly paid with my rent deposit...  arrrrgh ! 

	So life sucks, and then Dixon beat me up 'cause I had some old
info on my 'pages.html', so that was something I could fix, and it wouldn't
cost me a pence ! 

	Now I've updated that, with all the recent pointers (I went through the
archive for this year :-), so everything there should be current and
up-to-date.  Lots of new folks on there, as well as the ancients :-)

	Under lr-images/, you'll find an image browser that will let you
check out recently scanned images of the '95 Welsh Hill Rallye, the
'95 August Bank Holiday Pennine LRC event at Keighly (sp?), and a shot of
Me, Pierre Kitteridge as well as my '72 Rangie 'DAJ802L' and his Series I
'ALA' up near some fells in the Pennines, 'green laning' as it were. There
is also a couple shots from the British Motor Industry Heritage Trust Centre
in Gaydon (like a 101" in drag -- dressed by hollywood for checker cab duty),
an SAS series II, and the 'roving oil can' - perfect sweep vehicle for any
British car event !

	Well, I've skived off enough for today, time to get back to work.

    Cheers,
        --bill  caloccia@OpenMarket.com		   P
                       http://www.OpenMarket.com/personal/caloccia/
						   D
   R  1  3  2wd  H        1  3 R  dl OD  L      L  3     
   +--|--|   o   |        |--|-+  o  |   |      |  2
      2  4  4wd  L        2  4    ul N   H      H  1
   '63 SIIa RHD 88"       '72 Range Rover     '90 RR County
      793-PTA                DAJ-802-L
			    (for sale
			   Dewsbury, UK)

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:23:35 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Shaun Carrigan wrote:
> I've seen "portable" winches advertised that are basically a 
> plastic-housed block and tackle with a motor attached. Anybody every 
> used or seen one?.... I'm looking for a little > off-road security, 
> not a megabuck conversion. Thanks to all.
> A portable winch has many benefits, as far as I can see.
1. The winch can be stowed in the vehicle where it is protected from the 
elements (so many winches don't actually work when needed because the 
armatures are corroded into the motor housing).
2. The winch can be used to haul the vehicle backwards. The next time 
you see a vehicle nose down in a ditch, think how useful that front 
mounted winch is to the recovery operation. But hitch up the portable 
and it is as good as getting a tow.
3. These winches are usually designed to secure to a ball hitch, so all 
that is needed is a hitch mounted to a secure point on the front bumper 
(a useful adjunct anyway).

I remember about 15 years ago using a very small petrol powered portable 
capstan winch to haul a one ton sailboat up a slipway. The unit was made 
in the USA, and seemed the ideal thing for off road recoveries, as 
battery power is not in the equation, which is important if the vehicle 
engine cannot be run for any reason (like if the ditch is full of water 
and the engine is submerged).

Pulling power, not posing power.
-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:28:41 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: The good old days

Just to say that I finally got around to weeding out and filing the LRO 
Digest archives up to April 1993. What treasures! It is hard to imagine but 
now I will know even more! But what will I tell my boss tomorrow since I 
have not touched any of the work I took home on Friday?
Good rovering
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria
Celebrating the end of its first millenium this year
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 07:15:59 -0800
Subject: Re: The good old days

Peter,

Never having been subscribed to the digest, I hsd no idea that the digest was
going back then.  Do you have any idea how far back they go?  At one time we
didn't need a digest.  Messages could be a couple of weeks appart.

I bet they didn't spend much time talking about Discoveries , Defenders or
Range Rovers then.  I think most people were series owners.

April '93  I think that was right about the time Dixon was thrashing around
trying to get his first Land Rover resurected after a 14 year sleep. He was
working in a cold barn.  I was getting my 109's engine & transmission
rebuilt, putting in a new radiator and refinishing the front third of my
frame.  Dixon & I got into a race to see who got on the road first.  I think
we both made it within a couple of days of each other.  That was when a
fellow Land Rover owner who lives in walking distance from me put dirt down
the crankcase of my engine because I wouldn't give him the sides off my hard
top.

Interesting days those.

I'm kinda glad this group has a written history

TeriAnn

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:22:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Aluminium Primer Question

In a message dated 96-02-24 16:30:03 EST, you write:

> It's so beautiful, I almost cried.
>Nate "a thing of beauty is a joy forever" Dunsmore

Congrats Nate.  Don't ya just love it when something comes out better than
you thought it could?

John.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:22:35 -0500
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

In a message dated 96-02-24 20:12:46 EST, you write:

> WHAT! You mean you're going to get married instead of attending a Land
Rover
 event! 
 
 What *is* this world coming to....
Actually, I think they should have the wedding *at* the OVLR party. 
Maybe a first and a cover story for the LRO mag. >
c
Oh, what a great idea, whly couldn't you have harassed me BEFORE we started
tellling people it was here in Madison, and that 4 WD was not required...

ha. JP.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:22:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Electric water heater

In a message dated 96-02-24 16:51:50 EST, you write:

John - do you mean to say you actually use your starter? Not your crank? 
What is this country coming to...
>Shattered in Vienna
>Peter Hirsch
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>SI 107in S/W
>Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

Peter, I drive one of those fancy, electric start, double cup-holdered
Defender 90s, I couldn't crank it for the life of me!

:>)  Johnny-boy.

(I almost said: "Defenders don't *have* cranks.")  oooohhhh the feeling.
 (remember? series don't have center diffs...)

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From: FTWAROG@moose.uvm.edu
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:40:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Howdy folks!

Well, again I have been away from the computer for a while - this time 
with a good excuse...  I *finally* (after a very long search) purchased 
myself a yellow labrador retriever :)  She is 11 weeks old now and has 
proven to have the best personality and temperment of any lab I have 
met.  At 6 weeks, she was sitting/staying on command and only 4 days 
after we got her, she had pretty much mastered the 
hold-it-til-we-make-it-outside routine and has had few accidents since.  
I am only informing the general public of this major event because she 
has become as much a part of my life as my Rover- so next rally watch out 
for Zoe and beware - she is quite the socialite and loves to kiss people!

Anyway, the Rover's doing well up here in VT - not much snow to contend 
with though, as it appears to have been reserved for the folks down in 
Boston... that storm that some of you wrote about on the way up 89 (I was 
headed south) was the first one in a month and a half - but proved to be
deadly for wreckless drivers.  

Frank Twarog

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Subject: Unleaded for UK v8 RR
From: David.Tinley@bbc.co.uk (Dave Tinley)
Date: 25 Feb 96 17:41:33 EST

Can anyone tell me the definative verdict on using unleaded fuel with an 
early Range Rover V8 (uk model 1972)?  There seem to be several opinions. 
 I was told by a uk dealer that any RR can run UL.
 
       _______
      [____|\_\==              david.tinley@bbc.co.uk   
      [_-__|__|_-]           
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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:54:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion (anodes and electrical current)

In a message dated 96-02-24 23:26:09 EST, you write:

>So has anyone tried bolting a sacrificial anode (zinc) to the old girl?

There's already considerable zinc on Series LRs in the form of galvanized
trim. It obviously isn't sufficient by itself. A sacrifical anode works by
being having the lowest galvanic potential in the "system", and zinc has
about the lowest potential. However, a hunk of zinc bolted on somewhere
doesn't due much if it isn't part of the fastener-aluminum sheet system or
the like. OTOH galvanized fastenters should eliminate corrsion of the
aluminum.

As for the magic electrical boxes that are periodically mentioned I'd be very
weary. Galvanic corrison is an electrical process, and in a marine enviorment
stray currents cause all sorts of severe corrosion. In theory if the current
flows in the right direction the corrosion process can be nullified BUT if
you get it wrong it makes things worse. And in a LR trying to figure out
which way the current will flow is near impossible.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:01:57 -0800
From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Franklin H. Yap )
Subject: Re: Italian 4WD

You wrote: 
> No, I doubt there was 
>ever an Italian 4WD that was exported to the US. 

Many years ago (late 80s/early 90?), some of the "Rambo Lambos" were 
sold in the US.  At the SF Auto Show there was a two-fer special of the 
Rambo Lambo/Countach for about $400K.

I have seen one driving around SF.  The V-12 engine sounds quite 
healthy.

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 12:18:24 -0800
From: smthengr@sirius.com (Jeff Smith)
Subject: Re: cruise and abs on disco

A similar thing happened to my 96 SD 5 speed except the air bag light
remained on and the cruise control went out. RAB motors took care of it
immediatley, saying it was something very simple, but I could not get the
details of the problem from the front man. I probably could have asked the
mechanic. It only took him a half a day to fix including a broken seat
knob. I too was hoping to bypass the dealer and try to fix it myself except
the broken seat problem required disassembling the entire seat back. Sorry
that I am of no help, but good luck.

>Today my cruise control refused to work on my 96 Discovery.  The next time I
>started the car, the "ABS" light came on and stayed on (instead of turning
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
>Hal Hunnicutt
>'96 Disco
Regards,

Jeff Smith. S.E.
Chair SEAONC Computer Applications Committee
phone: (415) 543-8651
fax: (415) 543-8679
email: smthengr@sirius.com

Smith Engineering
27 South Park
San Francisco, CA 94107

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:20:30 -0700 (MST)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: For Sale: 1968 88" Safari

A friend of mine is selling his Land Rover, he doesn't have email, so it 
would be best to contact him directly:

1968 88" Safari, newly rebuilt engine, excellent mechanical condition, 
almost completely restored. Does need some finishing work in the interior. 
NO frame rust. Vehicle located in Victoria, British Columbia. May deliver 
the vehicle if required. Asking $6000. Pierre, (604)474-5570.

Rob

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 21:36:25 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Frog LW

In message Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:54:34 -0800, ericz@cloud9.net  writes:

> How old was this clip?  The Belgians built the Minerva derivative of the
> LR back  in the late 50s, had a different front end, a lot like the
> lightweight...if what  you say about this clip being in Belgium is
> correct, then that could be it.

I believe the clip was made from a parade (the frogs loves them) that took
place in Chirac's current period of presidency. Couldn't be Belgium though.
It was the annual parade on Champs Elysee.

sv

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 20:40:54 GMT
From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Unleaded for UK v8 RR

In your message dated Sunday 25, February 1996 you wrote :

> Can anyone tell me the definative verdict on using unleaded fuel with an 
> early Range Rover V8 (uk model 1972)?  There seem to be several opinions. 
>  I was told by a uk dealer that any RR can run UL.

ALL UK Range Rover V8's will run unleaded. If yours is a 1972 model, then it 
will be a low compression engine. It will run unleaded without any adjustment. 
9.35:1 CR engines will need an adjustment to the ignition timing.

Gerald.
-- 
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| Gerald Tan    EMail gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk    |
| My own opinions, not those of my employer!    |
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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:50:02 -0500
Subject: LR toy models from swap meet

>From the local car model/toy swap meet today:

SII/IIA (narrow headlights) 109 SW - Medium blue. Already in Lloyd's list
though this one is blue rather than green. 2.3 in long, blanked off side
windows.

SI 8?/10? open top - light blue. Flexible rubber/vinyl. Appears same as
Stanvanger/Vinyl Line in Lloyd's list with driver and dog in front, milk can
in rear. No identifying marks other than "18". About 3.5 in long.

Also saw a Corgi SI 109 Pickup green with gray tilt in excellent condition.
Didn't get, instead got Corgi Unimog with snowplow, mint in box. Mistake?

Another dealer had a number of "Husky" die cast models including LR 109 FC
(already have). These are all in original bubble cards. Did someone find some
NOS somewhere?

BTW, a major toy show is in Toledo, Ohio on March 10 at the Lucas County
arena? (next to Mud Hen stadium). Very large with several vendors
specializing in old Matchbox, reasonable but not large amount of Corgi &
Dinky. In past years there has been a large dealer from England.

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:59:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Aluminium Primer Question (Welding vs. Brazing)

Nat writes:

>By the way, for those of you who followed my thread on aluminium 
>welding/brazing, after several unsuccessful attempts, I took my seatbase to
a
>local machine shop.  After talking to the guy, I'm not so sure the torch and

>brazing rods are all that great.

What kind of rods did you try? From what I've heard aluminum is very tricky
to repair with aluminum rods for the uninitiated because the melting temps
are similar and the al doesn't change color. Does anyon have experience with
"Lumiweld" or similar which is a low melting point alloy intended for
brazing/soldering aluminum, zinc, etc?

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 20:26:48 -0500
From: GMA <calvin-gm@granite.mv.net>
Subject: For Sale: 1989 RR Parts truck

I have a 1989 Range Rover that I am parting out or selling complete, what's
left. It rolled over and I used the complete interior for an other RR. Only
good body panels are the front doors. It has complete drive train, runs and
drives. I have five very good wheels w/four very good tires. Frame and
suspension is good. It is located in southern New Hampshire, USA.

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 13:07:45 EST
From: James Carley <carley@manly.civeng.unsw.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels

>Shutting down. Don't park your Rover and then immediately shut down.
>The turbo gets HOT and a cool down of a minute or two (longer
>if you've been using a lot of boost) will be appreciated. When you
>shut down with a hot turbo the oil cokes up on the shaft and will
>eventually foul the bearings and lead to premature failure. There are

Popular in Oz, where hot weather and turbo cars often meet, is what
is known as a TURBO TIMER, which keeps the engine idling for a pre-set
time after the key is turned off.

Any auto electrician or boffin should be able to rig one up.  I think
I can remember seeing kits advertised in Oz 4WD mags.

My mother (in her 50's) borrowed my brother's turbo car for a while 
once, and people kept running after her in shopping centre car parks
telling her she'd left the motor running.

James Carley
Water Research Laboratory
University of New South Wales
Sydney, Australia

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:19:11 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

> Ben Smith drove from California to attend.

Oh sure, just because I had to *work*, and could afford the extra time, 
go ahead and forget all about me.  Sure.  Just you wait and see.  Next 
time I'll drive and I'll come by way of mexico city!  So there!

8^)

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 19:19:08 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

> What will be the agenda this year?

Based on my experiences last year, it should go something like this:

Friday

Show up, and unload the beer.
Drink beer
More people show up
Drink their beer
Eat dinner
drink beer
sit around talking about land rovers and drinking beer
drink more beer
pass out

Saturday

Wake up
Drink beer
eat breakfast and drink some beer
drive around a bit
drink beer
have lunch
after-lunch beer snack.
drive around some more
look at other people's land rovers
drink more beer
eat dinner
drink beer
look in other people's land rovers for more beer
sing and dance (Dale and John)
drink more beer
contests of manliness
drink beer
pass out

Sunday

wake up
make breakfast
drink beer
eat breakfast
install new engines in various land rovers
drink beer
various repairs to damage done by trees with bad reflexes
drink more beer
eat lunch
drink beer
buy rover stuff you don't need and can't afford
drink more beer
drive home
pass out

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Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 22:51:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

On Sun, 25 Feb 1996, Roger Sinasohn wrote:

> 	pass out
> Saturday
> 	Wake up

	You miss one aspect of your experience...

> 	pass out
> Sunday
> 	wake up

	To be truthful, could you describe your sleeping arrangements?
	:-)

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From: Xavier541@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 23:13:20 -0500
Subject: Roll Bar

I have a '73 SIII '88 and am interested in putting in a roll bar.  Has anyone
put one in and/or could offer some suggestions.  Price? Instalation? Model?
ect...

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From: amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 00:28:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: cruise and abs on disco

You are the first I have heard with that problem and sorry I can't answer 
that.  But yes it is a hassle, so have your dealer pick up the car and give 
you a loaner at your home.  When my Disco needed warranty work, they just 
needed to change a steering column cover or something like that, I was 
irritated becaus ethe dealer was out of the way.  So I complained to the 
dealer about the product they gave me and they picked up a car and sent over 
a loaner.  Why don't you try that?
John '95 Disco
>Today my cruise control refused to work on my 96 Discovery.  The next time I
>started the car, the "ABS" light came on and stayed on (instead of turning
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>Hal Hunnicutt
>'96 Disco

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From: amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 00:32:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

Can someone send me the date, place and time again?  I wiped all of my 
folders on Eudora by accident.
THanks in advance,
John
'95 Disco Bronze>
>In a message dated 96-02-24 20:12:46 EST, you write:
>> WHAT! You mean you're going to get married instead of attending a Land
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>Oh, what a great idea, whly couldn't you have harassed me BEFORE we started
>tellling people it was here in Madison, and that 4 WD was not required...
>ha. JP.

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From: John Putnam <jdputnam@pacifier.com>
Subject: RE:Alternator Goes
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 12:51:28 -0800

Hi Gang,

	In response to everybody's calculated battery powered locomotion, I =
have some imperical data.  Last October I found myself and my '70 SIIa =
doing a little GPS mapping in the Nevada desert about 100 mile form the =
nearest fan belt.  While using the rover to plow through the dense sage =
brush at a staggering 7 to 3 miles an hour, I lost my only fanbelt. My =
first thoughts were "I knew I should have thrown one of those belts in =
here" followed "Its one hell of a long walk into Duck Valley".  After =
regaining my composure I wondered how McGiever would have handled this.  =
>From behind the rear seat I pulled out by trusty length of cord and made =
a temporary fan belt.  This fix got me to the rest of my party ( they =
were on foot using RTK GPS in the areas that needed more accurate data =
about 1-1/2 miles away ).  Once there I commandeered their Suburban and =
drove into Mountain City only to find that they had not a single fan =
belt.  While there I bought a package of panty-hose to use as a make =
shift belt.  The next day we worked until about 2300 hrs and then =
started the long trip back to Boise.  With my newly acquired Legs =
fanbelt I made the trek form Duck Valley, Nevada 100 miles to Interstate =
84 just outside of Mountain Home, Idaho before the battery would go no =
more.  In the end, the engine would not run with the lights on, so I =
followed the Sub until I could go no further.  The remainder of the trip =
was a tow to Boise were I promptly purchase 2 new belts before I =
continued home to Portland.

As a note, the battery is very large and was in prime condition when =
this occurred.  Given the fact that a SIIa has a mechanical fuel pump, =
my only power needs were for ignition and lights (started w/ the crank). =
 I don't think D90 with all of its electronics would fair so well.

The moral of the story, ALWAYS CARRY A SPARE BELT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and =
that sage brush will clean the undercarriage like nothing else.

John Putnam
'70 SIIa
Beaverton, OR

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:21:42 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: '89 RR camber setting

Anyone know what my options are to a terribly off set front left camber
setting, -0.41  degrees?  Eating up the outer threads badly.

Thanks all.

Oscar
omont@mnl.sequel.net

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 10:13:15 +0100
From: Igor Cerutti <igor@tinet.ch>
Subject: Re: Italian 4WD

Hello,

this car was a Lamborghini LM 001 or LM 002.
The engine of this car is a V12, about 5000 ccm (maybe 4750 ccm) with baout
450 BHP.
Is the same engine from early Lamborghini Countach.
The car was build with dual lock diff and electric winch !
Nice car for the desert.
If someone came to Switzerland, there is a place around the Geneva area,
where you can see a lot of this cars.

Cheers
IGOR

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 08:14:34 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: LROC - ZA anniversary

I read with alarm the quoted figures for bringing your LR's out here. Another 
option is to take advantage of the execrable exchange rate Rand to 
Dollar/Pound/Mark, and buy or hire a suitable vehicle.

Hmmm?

Matthew
ZA 

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 08:57:53 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: biltong is..

Alan Richer wrote to me: "
Tell me what it is and I might agree with you. It's not something as actively 
unpleasant as Vegemite, is it?"

Alan, Alan, geez. PROPER biltong is only *actively* unpleasant (but 
challenging) if you bite it while the PO is still jumping. Biltong is 
wind-dried game meat with spices (mainly coriander). We do make it from beef 
too, but this is considered infra-dig. Biltong making on the road is a very 
pleasant and rewarding pastime, and all you need is those wire things attached 
to the LR and a saline bath, and some herbs&spices. This adds a new dimension 
to the roadkill aspect.

Biltong should not be confused or equated with beef-jerky which is a sad, 
forlorn relative (only by virtue of marriage anyway), and if you come on the 
LROC ZA goody next year there are a number of things which you have to eat in 
order to earn the wings.

1.  Kudu or at least Implala biltong
2.  Vetkoek
3.  Koeksuster
4.  Askoek
5.  Potjiekos
6.  Bredie
7.  at least one exotic meal of Warthog, Crocodile, Giraffe, or Mopane-worm
8.  Bunnychow
9.  Ostrich
10.  Maroela

You must also drink wine, beer, witblits, and mampoer
Warmly Yours
Matthew "pass the panga"
ZA

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 08:29:34 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: braaivleis, biltong, sunny skies,......

Peter Hirsch wrote: "I thought that *real* men just used their teeth for 
biltong, after opening 
their beer bottles with their teeth, of course?"

Yes we do, but it leads to broken driver-side windows, as the head suddenly 
jerks when the biltong tears. Also it leads to much higher dental premiums. My 
insurer on discovering that I was a series driver made me sign a codicil in 
which I promise *never* to tear biltong with my teeth while driving. It is 
considered just as manly to cut the biltong on the dash with the proviso that 
you do it with (1) A large panga, or (2) With an axe, or (3) with a swiss army 
knife or meat-cleaver, as long as you have a wooden cutting-board screwed to 
the dash.

Just gnawing the end until its a wet mess is considered *very* unmanly 
*unless* you also have a long beard, wear an earring like Oom Paul Kruger, and 
have at least one mammal in a shirt pocket.(lions teeth or claws are only 
considered manly *if* they are actually imbedded in your body)

Oom Matthew "pass the witblits"
ZA

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