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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:29:36 +0900
From: Alan Logue <alan@a011.aone.net.au>
Subject: Raised Air Cleaner - Series III

Is there anyone who can help with the location of an original Land Rover
Raised Air intake kit to suit a 2.6 Litre six cylinder petrol Series III
Land Rover.

The part number which I have is 608154 which I got out of a 1984 Optional
Equipment Parts Catalogue.  

I did try a few dealers in the UK a few years ago, but no one knew anything
about them. I guess they all went to Africa???

Alan Logue, Series III Military Restorer.

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	  Contents:
    1 barnett=childress% Fri Feb 23 04:26   44/1702  Driving the 109 or ouch t
    2 gtan@bbchw.demon.c Fri Feb 23 05:13   43/1849  Re: Disco Auto Transmissi
    3 Owner-LRO-Digest.L Fri Feb 23 05:35 2600/102781 The Land Rover Owner Dail
    4 hugh.davies@rnb.co Fri Feb 23 05:53   57/2412  Re: The Land Rover Owner 
    5 hugh.davies@rnb.co Fri Feb 23 05:57   45/1977  Galvanic corrosion
    6 newconcept@tcp.co. Fri Feb 23 06:03   35/1460  Re: Leaky master cilinder
    7 monk@math.udel.edu Fri Feb 23 06:20   29/1339  Unlocking the center diff
    8 newconcept@tcp.co. Fri Feb 23 06:23   33/1394  Re: The Land Rover Owner 
    9 trowe@AE.AGECON.WI Fri Feb 23 06:38   43/1511  re::DRIVING THE 109, or o
   10 rvirzi@gte.com     Fri Feb 23 06:45   37/1412  Mercedes Question, D110 o
   11 crash@merl.com     Fri Feb 23 06:49  186/6078  Discovery diagnostic read
   12 mloxton@msn.com    Fri Feb 23 06:54   30/1184  cup holders etc
   13 trowe@AE.AGECON.WI Fri Feb 23 07:15   51/1581  Re: care & feeding of tur
   14 trowe@AE.AGECON.WI Fri Feb 23 07:18   42/1308  Re: OVLR Birthday Party
   15 trowe@AE.AGECON.WI Fri Feb 23 07:23   40/1349  Re: Alternator goes...the
   16 crash@merl.com     Fri Feb 23 07:24   41/1667  Re: The Land Rover Owner 
   17 trowe@AE.AGECON.WI Fri Feb 23 07:27   43/1466  Re: Series Lightweight Qu
   18 TWakeman/Apple@ewo Fri Feb 23 07:27   35/1570  Re: jump on this one!
   19 TWakeman/Apple@ewo Fri Feb 23 07:31   33/1118  Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift
   20 TWakeman/Apple@ewo Fri Feb 23 07:38   37/1463  Re: Swivel Housing Remova
   21 TWakeman/Apple@ewo Fri Feb 23 07:45   21/752   Re: 50th Tour of RSA
   22 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lo Fri Feb 23 07:59   37/1749  Re: re::DRIVING THE 109, 
   23 jeff@purpleshark.c Fri Feb 23 08:01   45/1947  re::DRIVING THE 109, or o
   24 PurnellJE@aol.com  Fri Feb 23 08:13   25/1104  Re: Series Lightweight Qu
   25 73363.427@compuser Fri Feb 23 08:17   37/1256  Discovery diagnostic read
   26 barnett=childress% Fri Feb 23 08:17   23/822   re::DRIVING THE 109, or o
   27 hlapa@Zeus.signalc Fri Feb 23 08:18   38/1606  Bowie, MD vs *Bodie*, CA
   28 galleryg@techline. Fri Feb 23 08:29   31/1543  New source for Land Rover
   29 adallas@systemsoft Fri Feb 23 08:31   30/1140  1995 D90 Bullbar Wanted
   30 ccray@lulu.cc.miss Fri Feb 23 08:49   34/1482  Re: Alternator goes...the

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:42:13 -0800
Subject: Re: Mercedes Question, D110 owner?, MA, USA

On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com> wrote:

>At 09:45 AM 2/23/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>Also, is the owner of the White D110 in this area on the net? 
>If I recall correctly, the 500 1993 D110 came in any color you wanted as
>long as it was white.

Unless, you're Ralph Lauren, who won't take delivery unless its painted to your 
specs.  I've seen his D110 (yes, it is US spec), its painted either Black or a 
very dark green.

Eric

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:12:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Outback trip..(not really rover related)

Sounds like a fun trip, but that's a long way to travel to get a  ride in a
4-Runner....not as far from the West Coast..

J " had one and didn't like it" SB

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:14:30 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

>>	Owl's Head is two weeks after the Birthday Party...  Will be there,
>>	runnig for a 1st in "most disgusting engine bay" competition...
.......
>Given what I read is the natural proclivity of Land Rovers to constantly
>flush all oil seals with clean engine oil to prevent ingress of sand and
>foreign matter, your drive to Owl's Head should help you win that
>competition, no?

-
This assumes that Dixon actually *has* oil in the Big Green Beastie...

Cheers
Mike

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:35:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion (Stainless is bad)

>What I've done on the front wings (fenders) of my '89 RR is to replace the
>mild steel that holds the tops of the inner and outer wings together
>with a piece of stainless steel angle and stainless steel bolts.

Replacing mild steel with stainless steel in contact with aluminum MAY BE
VERY BAD, and severly increase galvanic corrosion.

The most common form of corrosion is oxidation such as rust on steel or the
white powder and pits sometimes seen on aluminum. This involves only one
metal, and a source of oxygen ions such as water. Stainless steel is
cometimes considered non-corroding because many types don't rust. Boats use
stainless steel hardware for this reason. Depending on the type stainless
steel can have assorted undesirable properties.

Galvanic corrosion is basically the same as the reaction in a battery. Two
different metals in electrical contact and an electrolyte such as salt water
are one recipe. Among the factors governing galvanic corrosion is the
difference in galvanic potential of the two metals. Mild steel is above
aluminum on the galvanic scale, which means that aluminum ions depart the
aluminum headed for the steel. Stainless steel, is much further above the
aluminum which means the galvanic corrosion of the aluminum will be much
faster. While the stainless steel won't rust holes in the aluminum may be a
result. 

The only two ways to prevent galvanic corrosion of disimilar metals are to
remove the electrolyte (move to Arizona) or to electrically isolate the
metals. Use of stainless fasteners with alumimum on a boat without taking
precautions results in large holes in the aluminum.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:45:33 -0500
Subject: Re: [Wet?] LR for sale

In a message dated 96-02-23 23:59:29 EST, Duncan wrote:

>> I am located about 35mi east of Washington DC
>    That would put him in the Atlantic somewhere, right?

Minor geography lesson needed.
35 miles east of Washington DC is near Annapolis, Maryland on the west side
of the Chesapeake Bay, and 75 miles or so short of the Atlantic.

BTW, there is a fellow in the Annapolis area who imports and resells LRs from
Britain, mostly SIs. Don't know if this is him.

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan (about 550 miles north west of DC, and NORTH of Windsor,
Canada)

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:00:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: [Wet?] LR for sale

On Sat, 24 Feb 1996 Wdcockey@aol.com wrote:

> BTW, there is a fellow in the Annapolis area who imports and resells LRs from
> Britain, mostly SIs. Don't know if this is him.

	The address and location corresponds to Quintin Aspen who does bring
	over early Land Rovers from the UK.  He has six currently on the way,
	but am not sure what they are (list is at work).

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 20:44:56 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: RE: Mercedes Question-Reply   G-wagen info

In message Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:02:18 -0600,
  William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>  writes:

> The G-wagon is the only non-rover vehicle I really "need." :)  The
> exclusive US dealer is in N.M. and new ones cost $127,000.  Used are
> considerable cheaper with early 80's starting at around $10,000.
> Interior and ride are like an S class sedan(they say).  It has true

The price above is the sore butt spec trying to compete with the Rangy.
The mil spec is very stripped and quite Defenderish. All iron (rust!).Axle
snapping not uncommon. If you really want one, tell the dealer to bring one
over with the next shipment. If you want a serious G-waggie, ask for the
armoured one. Thick panzer all over. Three inch windows. Neat detail: has a
little drawer in the door so you can show your drivers licence, passport,
mil id etc to bosnian/serb sentries. Expect to pay a little extra.

The GD is currently the standard in it's class in the Danish defence.

rgds,
sv/aurens

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 20:44:54 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Frog LW

In message Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:17:37 -0800, ericz@cloud9.net  writes:

>>Actually Santana made a LWB that looked very much like the
>>  lightweight. Hard to tell teh difference at a glance.

> Knowing the French, I doubt very much that Chirac would ride around in a
> vehicle  built by a 'roastbeef' (what the French call the English). Very
Really?. Remenber, they did let the british keep their saussages.

> likely its a  Peugeot 4x4 or some derivative thereof.  They do have
> somewhat of the same  angular front of a lightweight...thoughts?

Well, everything was sprayed green except the lights so it was hard to see
the details in that short clip. But it had an oval plate over the grille.

Someone mentioned an "Italian job". Perhaps Le Frog Ministre d'Affairs Grand
Kaboom was paid by an italian licensee. Was done in Belgium with
helicopters.

Well, who cares what the French do anyway.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:52:25 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Zenith Carb. Linkage - Help!

Can anyone out there describe the appropriate linkage arrangment from 
the bellcrank assembly below a Zenith carb. to the bulkhead.

I've checked with RN when ordering the parts for a Zenith (yes Lanny :) 
) and they say the control rod is identical between carbs.  I assume 
this is true.  However, no matter how I've manipulated the arrangement 
between the bellcrank unit and the accelerator roda at the bulkhead 
connection the control rod is either too short or there is no control of 
the carb. or the whole unit is too sloppy.  I've got one or two more 
positions to try before I give up and manufacture a control rod whose 
length works.  (yeah, I know that last position I try will be the right 
one) but I thought I'd check before I reach the point of total 
frustration.

The problem seems to be in relative position of the carburettor relay 
lever (the roughly triangular part between the actual bellcrank lever 
and the bracket mount on the bulkhead).  What is the appropriate mount 
position for this for the Zenith?

Thanks for any advice (no- don't tell me to use a different carb. :) ).

Arrrgghhh,

Jeremy

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:26:20 -0500
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Wahoo!!! Wiring's done!

After numerous phone calls to Charlie at RN and some creative wiring for 
those accessories not in the manual, I finished re-wiring the Rover.  By and 
large the manual is good if you have a Rover harness but they don't mention a 
few things:
1. Ignition coil + terminal goes to white wire (key switch); - goes to low 
tension wire of distributor.
2. Solid green wire (from fusebox) goes to B on voltage stablizer, light 
green wire goes to top of fuel gauge and temp gauge to - terminal on 
stabilizer. (The connectors help here since one is male, one female on the 
voltage stablizer.)
3. If you get a RN harness, note that brown wire from voltage regulator to 
starter solenoid needs larger female clips than those on it.  Ditto for one 
of the brown with blue stripe wires.
4. If you don't have the right tool (fish tape) for running the rear harness, 
loop a piece of string into the rear frame hole, run a tape measure down 
through the frame from the front hole (about 89 inches on 88 frame), tie the 
string to the tape measure, pull the string back through with the tape 
measure, tie the string to the rear harness and pull it through.  It works 
better in this direction since the fuel sender wire is ver thin and could be 
easily damaged if it snagged.

Other than that, it goes together like a connect-the-dot picture.

Back to the brakelines and pedals.

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: 24 Feb 1996 21:47:20 U
From: "Marc Rengers" <Marc.Rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl>
Subject: RE: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift

Hello!

I wonder if anyone has found a really good place in an 110 StaWag (10 =
seater) for a high lift jack.

A bouncing jack isn't handy at all! I've got to search that thing each =
time after or during off road driving!

Who's creative enough for this problem?

And I've got also a question for the readers in Holland: I want to change =
my 110 Stawag into a camper. Has someone a good idea on how to fit a bed =
and cooking (Coleman) equipment?

Marc Rengers

marc.rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl

Groningen, Holland

SIII  88" HardTop Petrol 1977
     110" StaWag  Diesel 1987

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From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:15:53 -0500
Subject: Re:  corrosion inhibitors

Seeing the recent pieces on corrosion, has anyone had any experience with 
the electrical add-ons that are supposed to slow rusting? They appeared 
down here a couple of years ago, the particular unit being a Rust Arrestor, 
made in the US. 
Allan Smith
St. Lucia

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Date: 24 Feb 1996 22:15:52 U
From: "Marc Rengers" <Marc.Rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl>
Subject: RE: Unlocking the center diff.

Our local dealer told me that I didn't need to worry about the
locking light.  They said to select (for example) unlock/hi-ratio
(usually the light stays on) and then drive.  Sooner or later the
light will go off (and it has so far....). Is this good advice or
should I be more careful?

Thanks
Peter (1996 Disco - watertight and healthy)

Well Peter, my D110 has the same *problem*, but don't worry! Sometimes it =
unlocks immediatly, and when it doesn't unlocks try to shift gear or just =
press the clutch-pedal (and release it of course).

Marc Rengers

marc.rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl

Groningen, Holland

SIII  88" HardTop Petrol 1977
     110" StaWag  Diesel 1987

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:25:27 -0500
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Aluminium Primer Question

Just a question,

Anyone have the name of a good aluminium primer?  Secondly, if the old paint 
is in good (not peeling) shape, can I just paint the topcoat over it?

By the way, for those of you who followed my thread on aluminium 
welding/brazing, after several unsuccessful attempts, I took my seatbase to a 
local machine shop.  After talking to the guy, I'm not so sure the torch and 
brazing rods are all that great.  In his opinion, heliarc welding is the only 
way to get good results with aluminium... which he really did get.  He 
replaced the pieces which contact steel with a slightly thicker gauge 
aluminium.  It's so beautiful, I almost cried.

Nate "a thing of beauty is a joy forever" Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: 24 Feb 1996 22:30:12 U
From: "Marc Rengers" <Marc.Rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl>
Subject: RE: Leaky master cilinder

These strange things happen! It happend on my 88". Very strange!

This TCDIBIS-priciple can be usefull! (The Car Does It By It Self)
I only filled it up after I cleaned the slafe-cilinder at the gearbox. 
And it still works!

Marc Rengers

marc.rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl

Groningen, Holland

SIII  88" HardTop Petrol 1977
     110" StaWag  Diesel 1987

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:44:37 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Africa

TeriAnn wrote:
>Bruce.
>The tour of South Africa sounds interesting.  If one were thinking of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>Just wondering
>TeriAnn
>People keep asking me if the car has seen Africa
TerriAnn - last year in Zimbabwe I met a Brit/limey who had had his D110 
shipped to South Africa. If I remember correctly he said it cost him 3,000 
GBP, which would be the better part of 5,000 USD. I would guess it would be 
even more expensive from sunny California. Maybe you could just show your 
car a video of Africa?
Sorry, would love to do that, too
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:44:40 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Mercedes G

obert A. Virzi wrote:

>Not completely on topic, so I'll keep it short.  Saw an awesome Mercedes
>4wd in Weston, MA, USA the other day.  First thought it was a unimog, not
>knowing what one was.  Checked on net and found it wasn't, so I'm guessing
>it is a g-wagon.  Anyone know where I can find a picture of one on the web
>so I can confirm?  Anyone know who the owner is?

The Mercedes G has very straight lines, no curves at all, and does not taper 
at the waist; straight line from the bottom of the doors up to the edge of 
the roof, almost like my Series One. Rather massive rubber profile on the 
side of the car, about 3 feet/90 cm from the ground. Independant suspension 
and lots of difflocks (the ARB locker would probably be much too small if 
you wanted to put them in there). Gearbox and drivetrain for the Mercedes G 
are Made in Austria, by the way, if I may say so, by Steyr-Daimler-Puch who 
should have gotten the contract for the British Army ambulances because the 
Pinzgauer is *vastly* superior to the D130 in many ways, but the Brits are 
*so* unfair.
So there. 
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:44:43 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Biltong

Metthew from South Africa wrote:
>If you can't cut biltong on your Series dash then you haven't 
>lived yet.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>"Eat biltong, carry a big stick"
>ZA
I thought that *real* men just used their teeth for biltong, after opening 
their beer bottles with their teeth, of course?
Peter Hirsch
Shocked in Vienna, Austria
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:44:46 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Electric water heater

John Purnell wrote:
>If you give me the specs, I will calculate/factor/figure exactly how much tea
>you can make, and hands can be washed, to leave you with an hours worth  of
>radio in your battery while you wait for someone to find you and give you a
>jump start.
>JOhn.

John - do you mean to say you actually use your starter? Not your crank? 
What is this country coming to...
Shattered in Vienna
Peter Hirsch
Cranky SI 107in S/W
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:44:51 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: French Lt/Wt

Soren wrote:
> On TV it looked like Jacques Chirac uses a LWB Lightweight for parades.
> I thought that France supplied themselves with ministry and gov'ment cars??
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> A LWB Lightweight?  Maybe this is just a Frogmobile (as opposed to a 
>> Plushmobile) that looks like a vehicle that Land Rover never made?

and Tom Rowe wrote:
>Actually Santana made a LWB that looked very much like the 
>lightweight. Hard to tell teh difference at a glance.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>based on the Lightweight. Anybody have any knowledge if that ever 
>happened?
And Peter adds his 2CW:
Did not see the Chiracmobile, but I doubt very much that a French president 
would even *think* of using a non-French vehicle for official business in 
France. Maybe a Peugeot military truck? Not much resemblance to a lt/wt now, 
but the older models had the hood and the mudguards cut a little like a 
Land-Rover 1/2 ton, or Rover I. Delahaye made something that vaguely 
resembled a lightweight in the 50's and 60's, but that would be too small 
for a great man like Chirac. 

Santana is Spanish, and they made very nice L-R vehicles with some local 
modifications, same as the Belgians and the Germans and the South Africans. 

Italy has made many 4WD vehicles over the years, mostly unsuccssfully, 
though. Alfa made a Jeep in the 50's, standard issue for the police in Italy 
then, much faster than the original, as could be expected from Alfa. Lancia 
experimented with one, but never got it to the production stage, as far as I 
know. MV Agusta produced a very weird-looking vehicle called the Diana (but 
not resembling her at all) in the 60's. Little-known Fabbrica Autoveicoli 
Rimorchi Torino made a 4WD vehicle based on the Fiat 500 cc Giardiniera in 
the 1960's, but I doubt they would have exported it to the US since they 
named it FART breack (I swear I am not making this up!) It looked its name, 
too. Almost in the same league as the Chevy No-va namewise... Fiat made 
Suzuki-like cars in the fifties. The Fiat 600 and 850 were used by some 
small Italian car makers as a base for 4WD vehicles; funny enough, none of 
these was ever too successful, maybe because the engine was not particularly 
powerful and needed high revs for maximum torque... No, I doubt there was 
ever an Italian 4WD that was exported to the US. Maybe some confusion with 
the Rumanian ARO? That was exported to Western Europe in some numbers. Or 
maybe the Lada Niva, a Russian 4WD car based on Fiat 124 technology? Still 
being exported, and not a bad vehicle, drove one in Iceland on vacation once.
Oh well - so many cars, but needless to say we have the best (except for the 
Pinzgauer, which is incomparable and in a class by itself).
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Not enough money for a Pinzgauer
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:27:45 -0800
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Mercedes G

Robert A. Virzi wrote:
>>Not completely on topic, so I'll keep it short.  Saw an awesome Mercedes
>>4wd in Weston, MA, USA the other day.  First thought it was a unimog, not
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>>it is a g-wagon.  Anyone know where I can find a picture of one on the web
>>so I can confirm?  Anyone know who the owner is?

G-Wagens have completely straight body lines (no curves) and  a five-door
body.  To my knowledge Mercedes' only production 4x4's were the Unimog and
G-Wagen, so what you saw is almost surely the latter.

In researching a hoped-for Range Rover purchase I read a number of
comparison tests of the MBZ G-wagen and the RR.  Essentially the consistent
remarks were:  (1) The RR has considerably more ground clearance under the
belly than the G-Wagen, (2)  The RR has much more axle articulation and
wheel travel than the G-Wagen, (3)  The G-Wagen has locking diffs and needs
them to make up for the poorer axle articulation (i.e.; wheels are off the
ground more often than with the RR), (4) The G-Wagen cost the same as the RR
but was spartan inside, (5) Both vehicles have good motors (the G-Wagen has
a variant of the MBZ 6-cyl.).  My conclusion was that unless I was a
Mercedes afficionado (which I am, owning a 1978 280CE, but only for street
cars) I would much, much rather have a RR.

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Date: 24 Feb 1996 23:47:29 U
From: "Marc Rengers" <Marc.Rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl>
Subject: RE: Mercedes G

obert A. Virzi wrote:

>Not completely on topic, so I'll keep it short.  Saw an awesome Mercedes
>4wd in Weston, MA, USA the other day.  First thought it was a unimog, not
>knowing what one was.  Checked on net and found it wasn't, so I'm =
guessing
>it is a g-wagon.  Anyone know where I can find a picture of one on the =
web
>so I can confirm?  Anyone know who the owner is?
The Mercedes G has very straight lines, no curves at all, and does not =
taper 
at the waist; straight line from the bottom of the doors up to the edge of =

the roof, almost like my Series One. Rather massive rubber profile on the 
side of the car, about 3 feet/90 cm from the ground. Independant =
suspension 
and lots of difflocks (the ARB locker would probably be much too small if 
you wanted to put them in there). Gearbox and drivetrain for the Mercedes =
G 
are Made in Austria, by the way, if I may say so, by Steyr-Daimler-Puch =
who 
should have gotten the contract for the British Army ambulances because =
the 
Pinzgauer is *vastly* superior to the D130 in many ways, but the Brits are =

*so* unfair.
So there. 
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria (officially 1,000 years old this November 1)

I red in the March-issue of Land Rover Owner Internatiol magazine that the =
Land Rover ambulance has won the contest!
So the Brits are still fair

Marc Rengers

marc.rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl

Groningen, Holland

SIII  88" HardTop Petrol 1977
     110" StaWag  Diesel 1987

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:35:26 -1000
From: "ROGER HALL: HNL M.E. GROUP" <ROGER_H@verifone.com>
Subject: 2 RRs for sale

For what it's worth, there are two used range rovers for sale:

'91 RR County, grey metallic, 43K miles (I think), $US22K
'93 RR County, black, 25K miles (not sure about that either), $US29K

Both appear immaculate. Both have bush bars.  Neither look like they've been
off-road.   Both at Continental Cars, Honolulu (as I said, for what it's
worth).

I'm told both are really good deals .... the second County is supposed to be
way below what they're into the car for.  

Anyway, if you're interested, contact Jim  808-537-5365.

Roger
'89RR 

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From: EvanD103@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:43:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Transfer Box Whines

Thanks to AKBLACKLEY for info re his experience with "transfer box" noise
actually caused by worn rear driveshaft (propshaft) splines.  I may have that
problem too, but I'm rather sure I'm hearing the transfer box.  I used a
Steelman "Chassis Ear" electronic squeck and rattle detector (seriously) to
isolate the source of the noise.  This tool has six probes, an
amplifier/selector control box, and a set of head phones.  The probes were
clipped to the transfer box, gearbox, overdrive, and rear diff.  I couldn't
clip it to the driveshaft 'cause the lead would have gotten wrapped around
it, and the headphones jerked off....:(.  In any event, the whine came from
the transfer box.
Rob Dennis was kind enough to come by my house today.  He drove my truck, and
I drove his.  To make a long story short - my truck is no noisier than his,
and he's not concerned too much about his.  So - "don't worry, be happy" is
now my motto.  Thank you Rob, I appreciate you spending your Saturday morning
doing this.  I'll get some ear plugs I guess.  Or carpeting, or a loud radio
- make a plushmobile out of my truck to cover the racket.  8-)
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia
'73 Ser. III

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:54:34 -0800
Subject: Re: Frog LW

On Sat, 24 Feb 1996, "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk> wrote:
>> likely its a  Peugeot 4x4 or some derivative thereof.  They do have
>> somewhat of the same  angular front of a lightweight...thoughts?
>Well, everything was sprayed green except the lights so it was hard to see
>the details in that short clip. But it had an oval plate over the grille.

How old was this clip?  The Belgians built the Minerva derivative of the LR back 
in the late 50s, had a different front end, a lot like the lightweight...if what 
you say about this clip being in Belgium is correct, then that could be it.

>Well, who cares what the French do anyway.

Now, now, lets not let European "Community" politics get in the way...

Regards,
Eric

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:10:42 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

> John moans...
 
Thanks Dixon.  I guess I won't see you this year, you going to owl's head the
following week? 
John, D90, wedding: June 23rd, hopeful Roverish honeymoon...the following week.

Mike Loiodice is astounded:

 WHAT! You mean you're going to get married instead of attending a Land Rover
 event! 
 
> What *is* this world coming to....
 
Actually, I think they should have the wedding *at* the OVLR party. 
Maybe a first and a cover story for the LRO mag.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:16:28 GMT -0600
Subject: Re:  turbo oilers

> Try Canton-Mecca @ (203) 484-4900.  $125 for the turbo oiler.  Catalogue 
 costs $3.  They make racing oiling accesories (stock car, formula 1, 
> etc.)

Is this the same item? The turbo power is the best I've seen. There 
are qiute a few on the market, some better than others.
But if it's the same unit, I'm glad to know about it.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: HalatGRM@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 20:16:55 -0500
Subject: cruise and abs on disco

Today my cruise control refused to work on my 96 Discovery.  The next time I
started the car, the "ABS" light came on and stayed on (instead of turning
off after the car reaches 5 mph).

The fuses are ok, and the connections in the fuse box under the hood are
tight (per a discussion a few weeks ago about loose connections causing
electrical havoc.)  The dashboard cruise control switch illuminates, but
cruise will not engage.  I tested the ABS operation on a dirt road and felt
it working, but I can't tell if it's working on all four channels.

It's a 5-speed SD, if that helps.

It's under warranty (only 1100 miles), but taking it to the dealer is enough
trouble that I thought I'd ask if anyone on the list has any suggestions on
what I might check, or even if the cruise and abs are related.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Hal Hunnicutt
'96 Disco

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 09:19:08 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: Bill Wood's Web Page

Don't see many, if at all, lro list members in the guestbook.........

Bill Wood's new web page, http://www.billwood.com/u7.htm, is worth a visit.
Great photos of u7 and series vehicles in India, old ones.

Oscar
omont@mnl.sequel.net

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 21:00:52 -0500
Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

In a message dated 96-02-23 20:28:07 EST, you write:

>Geeeeeze....let him get one thing right and he becomes an expert
>already.....8*)
>   aj"Already was one...."r 

  :>)   ok, ok, so I got all charged up over this one...

Johnny-boy.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 21:01:03 -0500
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

In a message dated 96-02-23 21:22:50 EST, you write:

>WHAT! You mean you're going to get married instead of attending a Land Rover
>event! 
>What *is* this world coming to....

Hey, remember, I'm a plushmobile driver...
JOhn, 94D90

------------------------------

From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 21:01:08 -0500
Subject: reformulated fuel (another real long one...)

In a message dated 96-02-23 00:58:03 EST, it was written:

I am already severely depressed by Sandy Grice of the Rover Owner's
>>Association of Virginia telling me that I can expect serious problems from
the reformulated gas that our state (Maine) has mandated, 
>I ran a few tanks of this through my V8 when I was up there with no ill
>effects so  far...are the expected problems only with the older engines or
older
>seals?  >Eric

I have some information sources for the RFG (reformulated gasoline) that some
of you
might be interested in.  I am enclosing some  phone
numbers for the Calif Air Resources Board RFG hotline and some Federal EPA
info.   Though some of you in
the 49 states may be better callling EPA, since you are outside Ca,  CARB has
a better attitude toward providing information on their activities than does
Fed EPA.  I think it has to do with size and previous public relation
failures that want to be avoided by CARB.  

There is a series of publications outlining the whole switch to RFG, some of
the reasoning, etc..., called the "RFG Fact Sheet."  There is also an "RFG
Forum" with more info to read.    I assume writing or calling would get you
the stuff in the mail.  I am doing so now, and can relate anything I receive.

Here is the info:

California Air Resources Board
PO Box 2815, Sacramento, CA  95812
800-ARB-HLP2 (in calif.)  916-323-3336 (outside Cal.)  or fax them
at 916-445-5023.

A Motor Vehicles  Fuels Manual is available from CARB, call Michele Vale,
916-327-7211.

Federal EPA Info:
Sylvia Dugre  415-744-1224

Some Internet addresses:
Federal EPA: http://wastenot.inel.gov/envirosense.
Cal-EPA:        http://www.cahwnet.gov/epa

A little background:  The *Federal*  EPA required "Federal RFG-Phase 1" in
the nine "worst-polluted" areas
of the country for Jan. 95.  I think some other areas and markets chose to
get on the bandwagon in an effort to provide a bigger market and keep cost
down, in addition to being able to claim that they were "working toward
cleaner air."  (E.g., Maine? air pollution, really?)  A prediction of 5-15
cents a gallon increase has been made. 

Get ready though, as in the year 2000, the next phase, Phase 2 comes along,
and at least those 9 areas will be burning a  newer fuel...Federal
RFG-Phase 2.  

Of course, California is different, and has chosen to not only accelerate the
implementation, but also chose to use an even more refined  "cleaner-burning"
fuel than the Federal fuels.  So while the 9 zones must use Federal RFG-Phase
1  from Jan. 95 until Jan. 2000 when Federal RFG Phase 2 is required...by
June 1996 all fuel sold in California will be California RFG-Phase2.  The
California RFG will meet and beat the federal fuels...so to speak.

Confused?  If so, you're not alone.  In fact, ARB has hired a private Public
Relations Firm to create a campaign to inform and educate people on the
change.  One of the ideas that they will try to get you to understand is that
using the new fuel helps stave off more drastic Smog Check measures. Some
folks outside of California are just starting to experience auto emissions
check programs, so "more drastic" is a moot point there.  Anyone in
California see any of these promos yet???  Of course, don't expect the
Federal EPA to be kind enough to explain THEIR actions.  Ah, the beauty of a
big beauracracy (me thinks I have too many letters in that word.)

As far as vehicle response (as opposed to health or political response) from
the reformulated gas,  the older vehicles could be more prone to rubber and
seal
problems simply because of the age of the rubber fittings.  I base this not
on testing, but on some knowledge of the ingredients in the new fuel.    Like
methanol, the mtbe
or etbe (methyl- or ethyl- tertiary butyl ether) used in oxygenating the fuel
is a bit more  corrosive and destructive to the membranes in fuel pumps and
hosing,
etc... they can be dried out more quickly by the oxygenate.  

For your amusement and enjoyment, I will  type the "Official" response to
this issue taken from the literature:

 ----------------------OFFICIAL...NOT ME...NOT
ME...--------------------------

*TESTED EXTENSIVELY*

Under the guidance of an Advisory Committee which inludes experts
representing automobile manufacturers, gasoline manufacturers, and
government, the ARB extensively tested cleaner-burning gasoline in hundreds
of vehicles.  Over five million miles were driven on cleaner-burning
gasoline.  This comprehensive test program did not identify any increase in
problems with the use of cleaner-burning gasoline.

Many car parts, especially fuel system components, fail and require
replacement during the normal life of the vehicle.  Cleaner-burning gasoline
will not change this.  The test program indicated that cleaner-burning
gasoline did not increase problems in fuel systems.  However, testing did
show that, on average, vehicles about ten years old and older, particularly
those with over 90,000 miles, can experience a fairly high level of fuel
system problems due to normal wear and tear.  Owners of such vehicles are
encouraged to have their fuel system inspected and to follow their vehicle
manufacturer's recommendation regarding maintenance of fuel system parts.

*GAS MILEAGE*

On average, cleaner-burning gasoline may results in a very small (less than
one-half mpg) reduction in gasoline mileage when compared to the fule that is
curreently being used. 

--THE ABOVE WAS NOT WRITTEN BY ME--------------------------------

Did you enjoy that little missive?  Thought so.  You're welcome.

ok...I'm back again, now I am writing again:

OEMs were involved in formulating the new fuel, and obviously are OK with it
or they would have fought harder against it due to increased warranty claims
from fuel systems.  On the other hand, it is easier for the OEMs to meet the
new emissions standards using the new fuel as it does in fact reduce tail
pipe emission numbers.  So there is some give/get there.  I don't know if
OEMs are changing rubber/gasket/diaphram compounds due to the new fuel, if
they are I never heard about it.  

I am trying to find fuel specs for all the different gasolines (I have most),
and also to find out the difference in the winter-time oxygenated fuels.  I
am not sure if the people claiming problems due to the "new" fuel are using
the Federal RFG-Phase 1, or the winter-time oxygenated fuel.  I believe there
is a difference.  I think the winter-time fuels have a higher concentration
of  oxygenates (mtbe or etbe ) in them.  

For the chemist types, the main fuel properties that are changing from
"normal" to RFG gasolines  (as opposed to the winter-time fuel) are:
1) reduced RVP (Reid Vapor Pressure),
2) reduced Aromatics, and lower distillation temperatures.  
3) And of course, lower sulfur levels, as  sulfur fuel is known to reduce
catalytic converter effectiveness and life.  

The main result of 1 and 2 is that you'll have a tad less vaporization, and
less evaporative emissions from when your car sits in the warm sun.  The
lower RVP will be welcome on warmer days, but if it gets cold it may be low
enough to hamper easy vaporization and could affect cold startability.  There
is STILL provisions for increasing RVP during winter months to aid winter
starting (from 6.9 to 12 psi) , but the summer values will be lower than
before...i.e. you aint gonna like it if you take a tank of summer fuel into
the mountains on a super cold day.  actually, with EFI nowadays atomizing the
fuel under high pressure, I think that is less a problem, especially when
coupled with high energy ignition systems, but you'll have to wait longer if
you flood your car.  (I know, again, the Series owners suffer...)

Also, some baddies are removed from the fuel via extra refining, which go to
lowering the aromatic volume percent.  I believe this is the culprit in
slightly less energy content (BTU/gal)  of the fuel, and hence a bit lower
MPG, becasue some of these compounds which aren't really necessary for
combustion, actually do burn, and thus give some chemical energy in the
process.  It is just that they result in more a proportionate share of
pollution and toxicity  than the other compounds.  I believe a few examples
are toluene and certain benzene rings.  

Number 3 is just a good deal for everyone except the oil refineries who get
their fuel from higher sulfur sources.  OEMs like it becasue the cats work
longer, and they incur less risk of in-use violations of standards, most
notably the 50,000 mile standard.  The lower sulfur also lengthens the life
of  oxygen sensors which are critical components in any computer driven car,
and even more so with OBD2 now.  Also, there is less valve deposits running
lower sulfur fuel.  

This lower sulfur standard hurts some regional refineries as crude oil from
different parts of the world has different levels of sulfur.  So one refinery
may have to spend a lot more effort ($$$) to lower the sulfur to the standard
than another refiner who purchases their crude from a location that has lower
sulfur.  I forget the parts of the world that benefits from this, but I think
Saudi crude is lower sulfur than South AMerican and Indonesian.  

OK, bye bye for now.  I'm gonna change my email address.  Let me know if you
all think the LRO list is not the appropriate place for these kinds of posts.
 If so, I won't use up the bandwidth.  Or, I guess I could try to keep it
shorter. 

John, Madison Wisconsin.  94 D90 #1336...boy is she clean today...it was over
55F here!! I even took off my door tops!  Where is all the mud?  I've got an
alternator to fill up..

PS...the above opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer's...
     "wait a minute...I'm unemployedl!"

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 21:29:17
From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: That Yellow knob

Hi All,
  I have just fixed the Yellow knob problem which is a release to put the LR 
into 4 wheel high.  On the front of the transfer casr is a cover which must 
be removed to fix the yellow function.  Once removed the steel shafts that 
come through the case must move freely.  I used no-seeze on all of the 
shafts.  This I hope will stop the problem from happening again. I also used 
gasket material on the cover when it was reinstalled.
  It was east to fix once I realized that the shaft would not come out with 
the internal spring pressure(don't attempt to drive the shaft in which I did 
at first) I was able to free my shaft by putting a pin in the "lock pin hole 
& gentle pry it out.

I hope sharing this experience will help someone with this problem.

Regards,
Rob Davis_chicago 

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 96 20:19 PST
From: gmoore@comox.island.net (Greg Moore)
Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion (Stainless is bad)

>The only two ways to prevent galvanic corrosion of disimilar metals are to
>remove the electrolyte (move to Arizona) or to electrically isolate the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>David Cockey
>Rochester, MI

So has anyone tried bolting a sacrificial anode (zinc) to the old girl?

Cheers, Greg

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From: David Scott Mary Ann <birddog@auburn.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Lady Di,  Bug eye 69  s11a  88
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:30:09 -0600

Progress on the 88 bent frame members.  Cut the Tranny x-member and the =
x-member in front of that out.  Cut the same members out of a =
sacrificial frame.  ground all the parts and mooring spots clean.  Had a =
friend/expert welder weld them in place with a mig welder.  6 hours!   =
Lady Di's corsett stays are now as good as new.  Tomorrow is water =
blast, grind, sand, os-pho, prime, and paint the frame.  Doubt I will  =
finish, then on to the bushings, replace brake lines etc.   Someone =
mentioned  an old post by Alan Richer on delco alt conversions.  How can =
I find it.  Have a great day|  birddog	  67 88 gal frame up in =
progress(Prince Charles),  69 88 Bugeye  Frame up in prog (lady Di),  62 =
109 diesel pickup kit (Frogman)  Poss 109 stwgn next week!				

------------------------------

From: David Scott Mary Ann <birddog@auburn.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Karl Dienst
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:42:18 -0600

Scott I called about the 88 Karl had for sale.  He called me back even =
though it was sold we got to talking, I have seven LR restoration =
project vehicles,  Three in progress He couldn't stand it.  He was to be =
in Atlanta the next week, came to Auburn and spent the night.  We =
feasted on Solihull and Liquor, worked out some parts for labor and =
rented a U haul for him to take a diesel engine,  bulkheads, cowlings =
etc to Fla.  He talked me out of a series 111 88 I had, gave me great =
ideas,  a really fruitful telephone call for us both.  Karl is a nice =
guy and with 8 restorations under his belt quite knowlegable.  Thanks =
for the post!  birddog

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Subject: Diesels and Imports
From: dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Dale Desprey)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 09:41:01 -0500

Paul.Smail@Washcoll.EDU (Paul Smail) writes:

> Two quick questions for the Rover gurus:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> 1. Why are diesel engines (non-turbos), even with their lack of horsepower an
> torque, preferred for heavy off-road use?
Speaking as someone who has owned a petrol and currently own a diesel 
Land Rover I can say they are quite a different animal.  

The diesel has much better low end torque.  With the petrol on say, a 
bumpy through the bush, you pump the gas corresponding to the terrain.  
The diesel can idle over alot of stuff.  You are in much more control.

When a diesel is running at idle, it cools down, while the opposite is 
true of the petrol.  

They have a built in smoke signal, so other drivers know exactly where 
you are.  Also keeps the bugs down.

Not dependant on electrics to run.  No puddle will stop these.  

Less to go wrong.  If it is running, it will stay running.  It will not 
mysteriously die.  

Better fuel economy.  The petrol I had seemed very thirsty off road.  The 
diesel, if all it had to do was off road work, would be verky happy 
indead.

The down side is that they don't like to start below -10C. and are not 
for short trips to the store.

People malign diesels as underpowered.  this is simply untrue.  I would 
go as far to say that the 2.25 diesel is overkill,  given the powertrain 
it is attached to.  True that it is not a high reving engine,  how fast 
do you want to go in a series rig.  Both the petrol and diesels are not 
high speed rigs.

--
Dale Desprey, dd@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 00:42:51 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>

subscribe lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 00:45:34 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>

which dplace@SirNet.mb.ca

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 00:47:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: corrosion inhibitors

On Sat, 24 Feb 1996 smitha@mail.CandW.lc wrote:

> Seeing the recent pieces on corrosion, has anyone had any experience with 
> the electrical add-ons that are supposed to slow rusting? They appeared 
> down here a couple of years ago, the particular unit being a Rust Arrestor, 
> made in the US. 

	When I was working at CANMET I asked some of our scientists about
	this.  They basically laughed themselves silly.  CANMET co-ordinates
	several large international consortia on pipelines that deal
	specifically with corrosion et cetera.  Corrosion on pipelines
	is a major concern, domestically it would cost at least C$100 billion
	to replace our pipeline network.  If there was a cheap, easy way
	to deal with corrosion, they would have figured it out by now.
	Basically, if you imerse your frame in salt water, or bury it,
	this stuff will work.  But then again, if you do, current technology
	used on pipelines is cheaper.

	BTW, they also felt + earth was better for vehicles too...

	Rgds,

	Dixon
	(former International Relations Officer for CANMET.  CANMET is 
	the Canadian federal R&D and S&T laboratories for minerals, 
	mining, energy, and explosives)

Dixon Kenner                                    (819) 997-1107
Canadian Forestry Service                       Natural Resources Canada

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 00:51:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Mercedes G

On Sat, 24 Feb 1996 lopezba@atnet.at wrote:

> are Made in Austria, by the way, if I may say so, by Steyr-Daimler-Puch who 
> should have gotten the contract for the British Army ambulances because the 
> Pinzgauer is *vastly* superior to the D130 in many ways, but the Brits are 
> *so* unfair.

	My understanding was that MOD did pick the Steyr..., but politics
	intruded...

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 01:00:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

On Sat, 24 Feb 1996 PurnellJE@aol.com wrote:

> >WHAT! You mean you're going to get married instead of attending a Land Rover
> >event! 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Hey, remember, I'm a plushmobile driver...
> JOhn, 94D90

	Rather be showered with rice than with mud eh...  :-)

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 20:37:32 +1100 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: light weights

There is some info' and contacts at
http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/LW/index.html
(contributions sought)

Lloyd

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