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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 7:26:17 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: Driving the 109 or ouch that coffee's hottt! My humble apologies to all; I had no idea that coffee, or tea (Terriann) was such an important part of Rovership! Coffee after drinking beer. Coffee with scotch, coffee (one of the four major Rover food groups), Etc. I have been doing it all wrong, getting up a little early and drinking my coffee before I leave for work, and taking Advil after drinking! I got an official LR GOJO travel coffee mug as a gift from LR Metro West last weekend at the Rovers North driving event, and it fits quite smartly in my factory Defender twin beverage holders! (and doesn't interfere with the center diff lock). Okay lets see...real coffee or tea, good! Cellular phone, (can be used in emergencys) good. ARB air locker's, tolerable (hot towels). Radio/cassette/CD, tolerable. Expresso, flavored coffee, Grey Pupon BAD!!!!! Hope to see some of you at the Downeast rally in Maine! Cheers, Barnett Childress 95 D90 (not a "plushie" just some of the same "civilized options"). ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:58:32 GMT From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Disco Auto Transmission I think you could be referring to the "lock-up" of the torque converter, that takes place around 50 mph. The auto box as programmed will change up pretty quickly, it will be in 4th by the time you're at 35 mph, and then the torque converter will lock up solid to prevent fluid losses at around 50-52 mph. For your own satisfaction, you can try the following test. Start off in 1, accelerate, move the stick to 2, accelerate, move the stick to 3, accelerate, and at about 40 mph, move the stick to D. You will find that you have changed up to 4th gear, and when you reach 50-52 mph, the rev counter will drop, and you will feel a slight jerk, and that's the sign that the torque converter has locked-up. Hope this helps. Gerald -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Gerald Tan EMail gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk | | Purely my own opinions - not those of my employer | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Owner-LRO-Digest.Land-Rover.Team.Net@SMROUTER.AAC.COM Date: 23:00:00 PST Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest --Inter_Part_Boundary_Wrr0GcaD3n Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII ------------------------ Text Item ------------------------ Land-Rover-Owner List & Land Rover Owner Daily Digest List ( now direct from Sunny San Francisco, CA ! ) Send submissions to the list to: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net To UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: MajorDomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net with the text: unsubscribe lro-digest Tell your friends SUBSCRIBE send a message to: MajorDomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net with the text: subscribe lro-digest Majordomo can also respond to other commands, send text: help Contents: 1 benedick@emh1.pa.n Thu Feb 22 04:32 24/962 Bowie British Car Show 2 barnett=childress% Thu Feb 22 04:51 153/9076 RN Winter Driving School/ 3 EvanD103@aol.com Thu Feb 22 05:15 24/1041 Re: The Land Rover Owner 4 barnett=childress% Thu Feb 22 05:56 30/1277 RN TRIP.../D90 alternator 5 trowe@AE.AGECON.WI Thu Feb 22 06:01 43/1496 Re: "Truth" in advertisin 6 trowe@AE.AGECON.WI Thu Feb 22 06:05 44/1479 Re: care & feeding of tur 7 benedick@emh1.pa.n Thu Feb 22 06:17 19/830 Re: RN Winter Driving Sch 8 trowe@AE.AGECON.WI Thu Feb 22 06:30 75/3248 Re: RN TRIP.../D90 altern 9 com1@ix.netcom.com Thu Feb 22 06:34 21/793 Re: Unsubscribe 10 TWakeman/Apple@ewo Thu Feb 22 06:46 28/997 Re: 50th Tour of RSA 11 TWakeman/Apple@ewo Thu Feb 22 06:49 17/726 Re: Bowie British Car Sho 12 IB011CA@smtpaoc.ts Thu Feb 22 07:11 20/817 Re: FYI: Trip to RN Winte 13 rdl@NomuraNY.COM Thu Feb 22 07:23 120/5437 Recall info 14 dbobeck@INETGATE.u Thu Feb 22 07:25 42/1844 Re[2]: Bowie British Car 15 PurnellJE@aol.com Thu Feb 22 07:28 48/2463 Re: Arctic LR Disco Survi 16 PurnellJE@aol.com Thu Feb 22 07:28 24/914 Re: Range Rover's for sal 17 PurnellJE@aol.com Thu Feb 22 07:29 149/7921 Re: RN Winter Off-road Dr 18 dkenner@emr.ca Thu Feb 22 07:56 26/837 Re: RN Winter Driving Sch 19 JDolan2109@aol.com Thu Feb 22 08:00 35/1202 Fwd; From another list... 20 TEASTON@DQC2.DOFAS Thu Feb 22 08:23 30/1395 Whers the digest gone? 21 debrown@srp.gov Thu Feb 22 08:30 45/2045 DRIVING THE 109 22 dbobeck@INETGATE.u Thu Feb 22 08:56 38/1715 Re: DRIVING THE 109 23 jeffg@minerva.ncrm Thu Feb 22 09:04 28/1331 At the risk of being repe 24 smithla@arngrc-emh Thu Feb 22 09:43 31/988 Re: DRIVING THE 109 25 gmoore@comox.islan Thu Feb 22 10:06 22/1049 Re: coffee cups 26 dbobeck@INETGATE.u Thu Feb 22 10:20 33/1110 Re[2]: coffee cups 27 jve@phaseone.dk Thu Feb 22 10:24 31/1200 My gearstick BROKE !!! 28 barnett=childress% Thu Feb 22 10:51 40/1749 re::DRIVING THE 109, or o 29 mumcar@ix.netcom.c Thu Feb 22 10:51 42/1461 Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift 30 Alan_Richer.LOTUS@ Thu Feb 22 11:26 77/3184 re::DRIVING THE 109, or o 31 brabyn@skivs.ski.o Thu Feb 22 11:52 29/1152 Re: Thanks to lro----Rang 32 dkenner@emr.ca Thu Feb 22 11:53 47/1746 re::DRIVING THE 109, or o 33 barnett=childress% Thu Feb 22 11:56 24/962 re::DRIVING THE 109, or o 34 dkenner@emr.ca Thu Feb 22 12:04 26/842 OVLR Birthday Party 35 gtan@bbchw.demon.c Thu Feb 22 12:11 42/1620 Re: Re: Unlocking the cen 36 barnett=childress% Thu Feb 22 12:12 19/772 re::DRIVING THE 109, or o 37 @uga.cc.uga.edu:PA Thu Feb 22 12:14 19/854 Re: OVLR Birthday Party 38 tsalves@slcpl.slcp Thu Feb 22 12:18 57/2235 re::DRIVING THE 109, or o 39 John.A.Macintosh@j Thu Feb 22 12:20 25/886 subscribe 40 dkenner@emr.ca Thu Feb 22 12:23 45/1585 Re: OVLR Birthday Party 41 a-robw@MICROSOFT.c Thu Feb 22 12:26 46/2198 RE: RN TRIP.../D90 altern 42 dbobeck@INETGATE.u Thu Feb 22 12:30 59/2648 Re[2]: DRIVING THE 109, o 43 ericz@cloud9.net Thu Feb 22 13:09 35/1338 re::DRIVING THE 109, or o 44 ericz@cloud9.net Thu Feb 22 13:10 23/842 LRNA Sales. 45 ericz@cloud9.net Thu Feb 22 13:10 32/1055 Re: OVLR Birthday Party 46 a-robw@MICROSOFT.c Thu Feb 22 13:12 49/2265 RE: Re[2]: DRIVING THE 10 47 ChrisF6724@aol.com Thu Feb 22 13:21 64/3154 Outback trip..(not really 48 dkenner@emr.ca Thu Feb 22 13:26 35/1332 Re: OVLR Birthday Party 49 TWakeman/Apple@ewo Thu Feb 22 13:31 69/3007 Re: re::DRIVING THE 109, 50 75473.3572@compuse Thu Feb 22 13:55 39/1982 Free wheel hubs 51 sim1@cornell.edu Thu Feb 22 14:17 107/4974 Re: care & feeding of tur 52 Land_Rover@msn.com Thu Feb 22 14:17 21/793 Winch for RR 53 ASFCO@aol.com Thu Feb 22 14:22 22/745 Remote Starter for sale 54 wcswain@wheel.dcn. Thu Feb 22 14:34 39/1918 Re: Winch for RR 55 ericz@cloud9.net Thu Feb 22 14:57 37/1298 Re: OVLR Birthday Party 56 SLYKDYK@aol.com Thu Feb 22 15:27 20/1006 Mogul bashing 57 jjbpears@ix.netcom Thu Feb 22 15:50 26/1022 D90 Commuting 58 PurnellJE@aol.com Thu Feb 22 15:57 77/3539 Alternator goes...then wh 59 newconcept@tcp.co. Thu Feb 22 16:03 43/1908 Re: Brinelling 60 newconcept@tcp.co. Thu Feb 22 16:18 41/1678 Re: Alternator goes...the 61 a-robw@MICROSOFT.c Thu Feb 22 16:25 39/1924 FW: D90 Alternators...and 62 uf974@freenet.vict Thu Feb 22 16:31 33/1190 Galvanic corrosion 63 uf974@freenet.vict Thu Feb 22 16:53 27/1011 Series Lightweight Questi 64 Paul.Smail@Washcol Thu Feb 22 17:45 27/971 Diesels and Imports 65 dbobeck@INETGATE.u Thu Feb 22 17:49 45/2056 Re: Galvanic corrosion 66 Jules@learnlink.em Thu Feb 22 18:10 31/1417 Re: Alternator goes...the 67 SACME@aol.com Thu Feb 22 18:14 81/2693 TeriAnn's List of Spares 68 SACME@aol.com Thu Feb 22 18:14 45/2246 Brake system maintenance 69 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com Thu Feb 22 18:33 23/1242 Zenith Carbs 70 gmoore@comox.islan Thu Feb 22 18:36 20/702 Re: Galvanic corrosion 71 patito@mail.unicom Thu Feb 22 19:00 30/1237 Disco Auto Transmission 72 a-robw@MICROSOFT.c Thu Feb 22 19:11 38/1738 RE: Disco Auto Transmissi 73 michaelk@infi.net Thu Feb 22 20:05 30/1215 Re: Galvanic corrosion 74 JDSalerno@aol.com Thu Feb 22 20:39 16/741 Service manual 75 PurnellJE@aol.com Thu Feb 22 21:16 48/1761 Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or 76 PurnellJE@aol.com Thu Feb 22 21:16 27/1003 Re: DRIVING THE 109 77 PurnellJE@aol.com Thu Feb 22 21:16 20/789 Re: Unlocking the central 78 PurnellJE@aol.com Thu Feb 22 21:16 20/807 Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or 79 PurnellJE@aol.com Thu Feb 22 21:16 40/1847 Re: D90 Alternators and W 80 tsalves@slcpl.slcp Thu Feb 22 21:16 27/1010 jump on this one! 81 PurnellJE@aol.com Thu Feb 22 21:16 27/980 Re: OVLR Birthday Party 82 bcotton@lia.co.za Thu Feb 22 21:31 37/1587 Series Brake Shoes 83 ericz@cloud9.net Thu Feb 22 21:35 32/1222 Re: Galvanic corrosion 84 ericz@cloud9.net Thu Feb 22 21:35 26/874 Re: Mogul bashing 85 ericz@cloud9.net Thu Feb 22 21:38 29/951 Re: jump on this one! 86 CrankIt@aol.com Thu Feb 22 21:49 19/854 Re: Mile Marker hydro win 87 dkenner@emr.ca Thu Feb 22 21:49 28/993 Re: OVLR Birthday Party 88 CrankIt@aol.com Thu Feb 22 21:52 17/646 Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift 89 ericz@cloud9.net Thu Feb 22 21:53 31/1206 Re: Brake system maintena 90 dkenner@emr.ca Thu Feb 22 22:02 30/1053 Re: OVLR Birthday Party 91 bcotton@lia.co.za Thu Feb 22 22:06 34/1255 Swivel Housing Removal 92 bcotton@lia.co.za Thu Feb 22 22:21 29/1216 4-wheel high? 93 wassili@AMC.UVA.NL Thu Feb 22 23:25 43/1585 Re: Arctic LR Disco Survi 94 Franz.Parzefall@lr Thu Feb 22 23:28 42/1826 Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or 95 igor@tinet.ch Thu Feb 22 23:51 49/1945 Re: Service manual 96 Marc.Rengers@miner Fri Feb 23 00:00 22/838 test mail 97 smitha@mail.CandW. Fri Feb 23 00:10 49/1557 Re: Galvanic corrosion 98 fhyap@ix.netcom.co Fri Feb 23 00:52 76/3932 Why Rovers cost so much . 99 pdandrew@iafrica.c Fri Feb 23 01:01 55/2025 Re: 50th Tour of RSA 100 igor@tinet.ch Fri Feb 23 01:30 50/1951 Re: Service manual 101 smitha@mail.CandW. Fri Feb 23 01:39 34/1228 Re: Service manual 102 philippe.carchon@r Fri Feb 23 01:53 32/1354 Travelling through Europe 103 mloxton@msn.com Fri Feb 23 02:16 20/673 NaOH + Al = blech! 104 philippe.carchon@r Fri Feb 23 02:14 34/1540 Leaky master cilinder 105 mloxton@msn.com Fri Feb 23 02:16 30/1562 ...attempt at humour, no ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:40:08 -0500 From: benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/Kris Benedict) Subject: Bowie British Car Show Sandy: >"same place, same time, same organizers." as last year. For thoses who haven't experienced this, do you care to give the details?!? ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 7:52:16 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long) The size of the Message Text is 6105(> 6K), So it is kept in the First Attachment ---------- mailman.txt in separate attachment. ---------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: EvanD103@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:16:41 -0500 Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest I posted a query to the Digest 2/20 regarding transfer box noises. Mike and Rob were kind enough to Email me directly, but for some reason I have not recieved the Digest for Feb 21 nor Feb 22. If someone posted a response to me those dates I thank you, but have not been able to read it. A direct E-mail would be welcome. I'll recheck later in the day to see if I've recieved the digest before I panic. Sincerely, Erik van Dyck Stone Mountain, Georgia '73 Ser III 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 8:56:17 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries. Sorry to all for the multiple postings on the trip. I have been getting mail from folks complaining that the message was scrambled so I thought no one got it. I'm done, really! P.S. After reading the posts on D90 alternators. What size and brand alternator does anyone suggest for winching, lights, Etc.? How do you go about installing dual Optima batteries? Are they wired in parallel? I have heard that an isolator is good from some folks and bad from others, any comments? Should you have an emergency cut off switch for the winch? I would like to upgrade my system but I need some advice. Cheers, Barnett ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:03:45 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: "Truth" in advertising Sandy Grice writes: snip > In other news, the Bowie British Car Show, probably the biggest (after > Hershey) and oldest on the East Coast is back on. The organizers were snip I went to the Bowie, Maryland show some years back, either late '70's or early '80's, I can't remember, and there were qiute a few LR's there, probabaly around 10. Hope that nuber has gone up. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:08:29 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels Matthew Loxton asks: snip > this comes with the 2.5L VM Turbo Diesel. I would like to hear from anyone who > can give me some hints on the care and feeding of a TD. Whats all the buzz snip I posted a piece on the care and feeding of turbos last year. Does anyone still have that (I tend to not save my drivel)? If not, I guess I can redo it. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:26:06 -0500 From: benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/Kris Benedict) Subject: Re: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long) The third times a Charm!! Try Again!! ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:32:59 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries. > What size and brand alternator does anyone suggest for winching, lights, Etc.? How do you go about installing dual Optima batteries? Are they wired in parallel? I have heard that an isolator is good from some folks and bad from others, any comments? Should you have an emergency cut off switch for > the winch? I would like to upgrade my system but I need some advice. - I'd go with the most common in your country. In the US I went with a Delco 108amp, although a number of people on the list use Delco's of a lower rating with success. I just believe in overkill when it doesn't cost much more. That's why I also went with 1/0 welding cable for the hot and ground, and while I was at it rewired my starter with 1/0. >From the alternator to the battery I ran ,hmmm, #2 ithink, maybe #4, welding cable. I used welding cable because it has more strands and so is easier to route. Unless the winch mfgs. have become elightened since I bought my Warn, throw out the cables that come with it, *especially* the ground cable. They're way too small. Don't know about Optima batteries in the Defender. A D owner can probably help you. An isololator would be a good idea if you're the careless type who would completely drain your battery with the winch. Or if you wanted an extra margin of leeway. An emergency cut off is a good idea. Solenoids have been known to stick. You wouldn't find it pleasureable if they stuck at the same time you were caught in the cable. (no jokes Dixon or David) Mount it wher you can get to it from the near the winch. See Alan Richer's post on converting to a Delco if that's the route you go. It's for series vehicles, but has things that might apply to Defenders. As an aside for you Series owners. If you do much electrical work (and what LR owner doesn't) I highly recommend getting a copy of the *old* Haynes electrical book (published in the '70's-early '80's, now out of print). It's the only one I could find that had a reasonable description and schematic of a US spec '67 diesel charging system. Besides it's other useful Lucas info. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:33:11 -0800 From: Rahul <com1@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe How do I unsubscribe these messages ? ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:46:57 -0800 Subject: Re: 50th Tour of RSA Bruce. The tour of South Africa sounds interesting. If one were thinking of shipping their 109 there for the duration of the trip, are therer any South African regulations I should be aware of governing the temporary import of an older Land Rover? I have a six week sabatical coming up that I could postphone a year and add vacation time to. Just wondering TeriAnn People keep asking me if the car has seen Africa ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:50:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Bowie British Car Show Is this the Bowie that is the ghost town on the Eastern side of the Seria Navada mountain range? If it is, I would like to hear more TeriAnn ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:51:24 -0600 From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us> Subject: Re: FYI: Trip to RN Winter Off-road Driving School (long) I got both copies of the great report just fine. Sounds fantastic. Only trouble now is how to talk my wife into a Vermont vacation. ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:23:38 EST From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio) Subject: Recall info The DOT maintains a list of recalls that you can get to on the Web. http://www.dot.gov/affairs/recalls.htm If you have a Web browser, you should check it for recalls on ANY vehicle you own. Anyway, for people out there who don't have Web access, I pulled out all the current recall info I could find on LRs. Rob 94 D90 =========================================================================== Range Rover NA., Inc. Models: Range Rover Years: 1987 - 1991 Manufactured Dates: May 1987-September 1990 Number of Vehicles: 15,378 Recall No. 95V155000 System: Fuel tank assembly. Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose passenger vehicles. Description of Defect: The bottom of the fuel tank can corrode over time and allow fuel to leak. Consequence of Defect: A fuel leak can occur and increase the potential for a vehicle fire. Corrective Action: Dealers will inspect the fuel tank and replace the tank if needed. Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time, should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040. =========================================================================== Range Rover NA., Inc. Model: Range Rover Year: 1995 Manufactured Dates: June 1994-July 1995 Number of Vehicles: 3,147 Recall No. 95V157000 System: Engine pulley. Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose 4.0SE passenger vehicles. Description of Defect: The idler pulley, part of the engine front end serpentine belt system, can fail resulting in serpentine belt damage or disengagement. Consequence of Defect: Disengagement of the pulley on the roadway can cause harm to pedestrians and other vehicles. Also, failure of the belt causes a loss of power steering assist which can increase the potential for an accident. Corrective Action: Dealers will replace the idler pulley with a newly designed idler pulley. Note: While power steering assist will be lost if the belt fails, manual steering control remains. Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time, should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040. =========================================================================== Range Rover NA., Inc. Model: Range Rover Range Rover Year: 1995 Manufactured Dates: June 1994-April 1995 Number of Vehicles: 2,114 Recall Number: 95V123000 System: Hydraulic brake hose. Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose passenger vehicles. Description of Defect: A flexible brake hose that connects the hydraulic pump to the anti-lock brake system (ABS) valve block assembly can leak and cause loss of brake fluid. Consequence of Defect: Loss of brake fluid can make the primary brake circuit inoperable, including the rear brakes, and loss of ABS operation with a consequent reduction in braking performance and possible increased braking distances. Also, brake fluid leakage in the engine compartment could cause a fire if there is a source of ignition. Corrective Action: Dealers will inspect the vehicles to determine which ones are fitted with the suspect hose and then replace suspect hoses with the latest design. Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040. =========================================================================== Range Rover NA., Inc. Model(s): Range Rover County Classic Year(s): 1995 Range Rover Defender Year(s): 1995 Range Rover Discovery Year(s): 1995 Manufactured Dates: December 1994-January 1995 No. of Vehicle(s): 155 Recall No.: 95V099000 System: Axle assembly. Vehicle Description: Multipurpose vehicles. Description of Defect: At port of entry, a quality overcheck of the differential pinion shaft torque was performed. This check required the removal of the driveshafts. When the driveshafts were reinstalled, the wrong sized nuts were used. Consequence of Defect: The nuts can loosen, ultimately causing one or both driveshafts to disconnect, resulting in loss of control of the vehicle. Corrective Action: Dealers will replace the hardware on the involved vehicles with hardware of the appropriate specifications. Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040. ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:30:09 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> Subject: Re[2]: Bowie British Car Show Is this the Bowie that is the ghost town on the Eastern side of the Seria Navada mountain range? If it is, I would like to hear more TeriAnn Hey, I know the answer to that one! ( no.) The town you are referring to is called Bodie. Real interesting place, out in the middle of nowhere. I was there in September '94. If you haven't ever been, I highly recommend checking it out. Sort of contrived but definitely real, lots of interesting history stuff. The terrain in that area is perfect for 4 wheeling, especially around Mono lake. I was staying in Mammoth Lakes at a friends cabin, and there's little dirt roads that go everywhere, and they're all accesible and legal since they're in the National "Forest". Of course you probably know all this don't you. BTW, Chevy Cavaliers don't do very well on steep sandy trails.:-0 The British Car Day is in Bowie Maryland, just a short drive east of DC. Lots of neat stuff there. Ciao. Dave & Green Car ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Arctic LR Disco Survial...synthetic changeover= DO IT In a message dated 96-02-21 22:50:51 EST, you write: >Will all of the factory lubes perform ok, IE: engine, diff and >> manual trany lube. Melvin, If you are seriously going to install all the extra heater, block, battery, etc..., I think it is highly judicious of you to also change all the lubes to synthetic. If you are really going to see -40F temperatures, the synthetics will be worth their weight in Range Rover ignition modules. At -25F a few weeks ago, I needed to start my D90, though no block heaters, even with the synthetic oil (10W30) my lifters rattled for a bit, I can't imagine how long they would've with dino oil. But the engine heater will solve this for you, the other major point is the diffs. Fine, I got the truck started, but it literally wouldn't move. I REALLY had to slide the clutch and rev the engine to get enough torque to turn that 90WT. It was like I was in a Tough Truck Competition with a F150 tied to my rear. Only a heated garage is gonna solve that one for you. And to think that I had to push the truck this hard with everything super cold, I didn't like it at all. That is not the way I like to treat equipment. After installing the synthetic diff/transfer case lube, I was amazed at how easy the truck rolls. Granted I haven't experienced -25F again (Please, no more...NO MORE.....) but it has gotten down to +15F, and still, the truck just rolled like it was a sunny day in Los Angeles (oh, sun, warmth, easy starting, top off, bikin.....). IMHO: Change ALL the fluids to synthetic, it will be money VERY well spent. Barnett Childress even noticed a complete vehicle attitude change after he did it, his truck was smoother and quieter. I agree with the smoother bit, I don't think it is *Completely* in my head (I just spent $6 a quart, it better be better...). John, 94 D90, Afflicted with Wisconsinitis ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Range Rover's for sale In a message dated 96-02-21 23:12:21 EST, you write: >Look what I found on the internet a http://www.traderonline.com/....I >splurged and bought the list for a buck....\ [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >============================================================= > Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net" >. I didn't know LR even MADE that many vehicles...! ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:35 -0500 Subject: Re: RN Winter Off-road Driving School "Repost" In a message dated 96-02-21 22:29:02 EST, you write: >Barnett, Nothing but garbage recieved.. Do you need to save it in a text file >before transmitting ? ===================== Michael, and all who couldn't read it, try this one and see if you can read. I have pasted the file into this note, from my mailer it looks fine, hope I'm not duplicating other's work and wasting bandwith... John P. ===================== FROM BARNETT CHILDRESS: Hi All, I attended the Rovers North Winter off-road driving school over the weekend with some of my fellow BSROA club members. The class was great. I have been off-roading for several years, but still learned a lot! We left from LR Metro West in Natick, Ma. around 4:30PM on Friday. Our convoy consisted of two Discos, and three Defenders. It was snowing very heavily at the time, the traffic was terrible, and to top it off I had a miserable cold. It took 2:30hrs to travel 20 miles! After we were into New Hampshire, traffic started to lighten up a bit, and we picked up the pace. The snow was very wet and icy. My Defender windshield was icing up so bad I had to stop about every 20 minutes to get out and clean it. MANY, vehicles were sliding off of the road. A poor fellow in an Explorer right in front of us really lost it. He slid down an embankment and into some trees. We were do to arrive at the Stowhoff Inn in Stowe Vermont for dinner at 7PM. We didn't arrive until 2:30AM! There was a fellow in a Honda(?) blocking the entrance. We tried to pull him out of the way with one of the Defenders but the road had an icy crust under the snow and the Defender just spun opposing front and rear wheels. We tried my Defender and I locked both Air lockers and was able to pull him up the hill and out of the way. We checked in exhausted and went to bed. Saturday. We were supposed to be at RN for 9AM but... by the time everyone got together, (we were about 10 LR's and 21 people now), and we gassed up, and then drove to RN (about an hour), we didn't arrive until 10AM. We were greeted by Mark and his staff, and there were two special guests there for the event. Mike Hussey (1993 USA team Camel Trophy winner), and Sue Mead (two time photographer for Camel Trophy), (I hope I have the names and spelling right). We had a brief lecture about LR 4WD systems, gear selections, Etc., and then went into the garage where they showed everyone the venerable parts under the vehicles. Then we assembled into driving teams and got into their vehicles for some hands on training. Two Range Rovers, (one with a Dakar 4.5L engine), a Disco, A 94 Defender (with a 4.5L Dakar), and a Defender Tdi diesel. I choose the 94 Defender with the Dakar, (surprise)! It was bitter cold with the wind blowing. The instructors took us through some tight trails in the woods. We discussed gear selection, picking the proper drive line, letting the vehicle do the work and not muscling thru Etc. The snow was really slippery and one of the RR's needed to be winched up a hill right off. Next we all got to drive. We practiced extreme down hill and uphill climbs. We worked on failed hill climbs with the vehicle stalled, and severe side hills, Etc. We took a lunch break and then it was over to the obstacle course. More extreme hill climbs and descents. Some of the hills became extremely icy after several vehicles had climbed them. I had three failed attempts on a very steep accent, and slid down ass backwards out of control before I could get into reverse and restart the Defender! Mike Hopwood my instructor remained calm, told me more throttle and try again! I made the hill on my fourth try. As slow as possible as fast as necessary! That was the scariest for me. Free wheeling backwards and not being quick enough to get into reverse and restart. I know what I will be practicing. We moved on to ditch and ridge crossings without becoming cross axled. Some winching instruction ended the day. We returned to the hotel and had dinner. I was still sick as a dog so I went to bed exhausted again, about 11PM. Sunday. We checked out and it was snowing again. We arrived at RN and had a brief lecture about winching and safety. Then off to some more trails in the woods. I drove some really tight twisty trails. We waited for the disco to catch up. As the disco tried to maneuver between two trees on a steep side hill the rear end slid and kissed the lower tree. We brought the Defender back and ran the winch cable thru a pulley block to the rear disco hitch. No damage. After that the disco got stuck again on a steep side slope. The rear door was opened abruptly and it sprung the hinges. The door could not be closed so we tied it shut. More twisty trails, and we practiced marshaling to aid the drivers. Also a lot more winching. Then back to Stowe and lunch. RN had a special event for us to challenge our clubs driving, stamina, teamwork, and problem solving skills. By special permit we were allowed to drive the road to Smugglers Notch. This road is closed to vehicles in the winter and had over four feet of snow on it. We started at 3PM with a time limit set for 7PM. People were looking at us like we were crazy as the first rover hurled over the snow bank onto the road! It was tough going right from the start. The lead vehicle had to try to cut tracks into the snow. Several feet forward then reverse and repeat. The snow was loose and powdery. trying to stay on top without breaking the crust was very difficult. Tyres were aired down and this helped a little. We winched, pushed, and shoveled anything to gain a foot of two of progress. Finally one of the RR's got badly stuck. We brought the 94 Defender into the front and it got stuck too. Finally after winching free we were running out of time, and it was starting to get dark. They told me to take the Defender and try to go as far as I could. They would recover the RR and follow in my tracks. Some of the party voted to turn back so the disco and one RR started the decent. I was able to make fairly good progress in the Defender and soon we were out of sight from everyone else! I came to a hill I could not climb. We raidio'd to the RR, they were free and catching up to us. We winched both vehicles over the hill. We were within a quarter mile from the top! Unfortunately we had run out of time. So sticking with the plan we turned the vehicles around and headed down. Mike Hopwood told me that if we had been able to start earlier he knew we would have made it! We got back to Stowe gassed up and aired up the tyres around 8PM and had dinner courtesy of LR Metro West. The dealer also gave everyone a free LR coffee mug and a gift certificate for $150. I left to go home at 11PM and arrived in Sturbridge, MA. at 3:30PM totally exhausted and never feeling better! Monday I had the day off luckily and spent it recovering! I still have a bad cold. Tuesday I spent my gift certificate towards a rear roll cage and full bestop for my Defender. As you can tell everyone had a wonderful time. If you ever get a chance to take the RN school I highly recommend it, even if you are an experienced off-roader. Sorry for the long post. Cheers Barnett Childress 95 D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:56:41 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long) On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Darwyn/Kris Benedict wrote: > The third times a Charm!! Try Again!! But not UUencoded for those who don't have a clue to what I am talking about here... ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JDolan2109@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:01:29 -0500 Subject: Fwd; From another list... Subj: [Rovernet] parts in So. America Date: Wed, Feb 21, 1996 12:15 PM EDT From: rovernet@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu X-From: JPeters105@aol.com Reply-to: rovernet@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu Anyone know of a source of parts for a Range Rover in South America. The vehicle is in Chile, and was assembled in Venezuela in '79. Thanks, Joel ================ saw the above on the 'Rovernet'. Thought someone here could help... Jim '61 LR 88" SW '60 P5 (628000165) '68 P6 SC Auto '68 P6 TC '84 RR <--only days away!!! ' ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Whers the digest gone? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 11:24:00 EST This is a test to see where the digest has gone. Andy Blackley sent some stuff and was bounced. I haven't seen a digest since Tuesday. Is there a server problem? Is it only the digest-ltd? Al, can you let me know if you see this note via the real time list or not, thanks ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: debrown@srp.gov Date: 22 Feb 96 09:30:35 MST Subject: DRIVING THE 109 FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 Hello friends, Just to let you all know (yeah! Like you cared!) that I loaned my RR out to my soon to be girlfriend (relax, I've known her for 3 years) since her car is in need of a timing gear. TeriAnn's comment that "plushies" are superior in the area of the beverage holder struck me Today, as I drove in to work with the 109. (I haven't driven it in a few months, and she started right up!) Even though I love the RR, I really do enjoy driving the 109. (Proof that I'm seriously deranged!) I realized that I've even missed driving her. But I digress... Anyway, I did manage to spill a drop of coffee on my pant leg. Not that the RR has a cup holder (it doesn't) but it does require a certain "fury of motions" to drive the 109 whereas the RR is so simple, you could do it in your sleep. (Seems that many people DO!) Thanks for putting up with this dribble... Dave ("Fists of fury") Brown #=======# _________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ //__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \__/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 12:01:10 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109 Thanks for putting up with this dribble... Nice pun, Dave. I find it pretty easy to drive my SIII with coffe in hand, as long as the cup has a handle on it. That way I can hold the cup and steering wheel with one hand and shift with the other. Granted the motions required to drive an 88 are probably somewhat less furious than a 109. Especially a SIII plushie. The only real problem is trying to eat or roll cigarettes while driving, especially if there's a beverage involved too. None of this is a problem in my Honda Cynic which I can steer with my knees, leaving my hands free to perform other "tasks". I can almost roll a stoger while driving the 88 but they usually come out sort of lumpy. Dave ("Fists of fury") Brown Sounds like me trying to get my heater to work. Lately, an accurately placed blow to the top of the dash panel is the only way to wake up the mice. Or iss it squirrels... uh oh, here we go again... Dave "Mammals R' Us" Bobeck ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com> Subject: At the risk of being repetitive... Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:03:17 MST Warmest regards from sunny Colorado! At the risk of being the 100th person to ask, what happened to the digest? I haven't received one for two days :-( -- Jeffrey J. Gauvin '94 D90 ("ColoRover" ?) ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 12:22:13 EST (1722Z) From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil> Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109 To all, Guess I'm too used to "making do" when it comes to creature comforts (courtsey of Uncle Sam), or maybe too used to doing without. Anyway, with all this talk of coffee/drink holders and me being a mega coffee addict, I thought I'd throw in my solution. I use one of the Aladdin brand thermo mugs with the sip-it tops. What I do is wedge the mug in between the passenger and middle seat bottoms on my Series. Works great. Always handy. Bummer sometimes for the passenger, but ... 'til later, Larry ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:02:34 PSZ From: gmoore@comox.island.net (Greg Moore) Subject: Re: coffee cups Hello all, I just subscribed to this list in time to catch some discussion of drink holders. I use a non spill cup (of course!) and set it on the transmission tunnel. When I got tired of the cup slipping off and spilling all over my 11A I bought a piece of non-slip mat like they use on boats for placemats and set in on the tunnel. Works well on the street. When the going gets rough I drink the coffee first! Cheers, Greg ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 13:27:17 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> Subject: Re[2]: coffee cups Hello all, I just subscribed to this list in time to catch some discussion of drink holders. I use a non spill cup (of course!) and set it on the transmission tunnel. ..ok, now where am I supposed to put my ashtray? Dave 72SIII ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: jve@phaseone.dk Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 18:53:27 Subject: My gearstick BROKE !!! In the parking lot at work this morning I was putting my 109 in first gear to enter a booth, when the gearstick snapped and I had it in my hand. It was broken at the ball, so there I was in the middle of the parking lot in free gear and nothing to do about it. Eat your heart out, Donald Duck! Good thing it is easy to replace. Jens Vesterdahl Copenhagen, Denmark 1972 109 sIII STW ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 13:50:50 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Okay guys; WARNING!!! READ FIRST!!!! (This post contains humorous content. The author assumes no responsibility for anyone who takes this post seriously. This post is an attempt at humor. Any resemblance to anyone living or dead is purely coincidental!) I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, we don't need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool guy stereotypes? Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's important, but this...? Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you can freshen up a bit on the trail! Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly dead... Ha...HA, Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress 95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders) ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:52:31 -0800 From: mumcar@ix.netcom.com (William Carter ) Subject: Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift You wrote: >I need some advice on where to mount a set of tow hooks and a hi-lift jack on >my '94 Defender 90. I have the early Rover brush bar with the winch mounts >from the first 10 cars. What is the reccommended spot for tow hooks? Has >anyone else put a hi-lift jack on the front? Would the back be better? >anyone else put a hi-lift jack on the front? Would the back be I put my high-lift in the back using Hi-Lifts locking mounting kit. You can U-bolt it to the high stop light loop standing up and use the base holder on the rear step to keep it away from the tailgate. You are still able to open the gate and it's out of the way. As far as tow hooks, you're probably better off getting one mounted to the front of the bumper and having a welding shop strengthen the mounting point. Good Luck, Bill Carter 95 D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer <Alan_Richer.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 22 Feb 96 14:22:28 EST Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Barnett "I scratched it, so I need to buy a new Discovery" Childers blathers: >I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... >rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, we don't >need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool guy stereotypes? Now wait just one fat furry little mammalian minute....... We embarass Camel drivers, not smoke them! Damn camels keep spitting and putting out the matches, anyway... >Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and >store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of >the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's >important, but this...? This is part of the Series mystique. We, the rugged, manly, hairy-chested pilots of recycled aircraft aluminum cannot survive on beer alone. Beer is only one of the four basic Rover food groups, to wit: Beer Coffee Manifold Bangers Chips or Sump Fries (or wieners and French Fries for the British-impaired among us). This is why the FRT assembly exists in the Rover parts catalogue. You need the ravening case of heartburn from the coffee to keep you awake on all those rocky trails after consuming massive quantities of the other three groups at your lunch break >Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, >installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you >can freshen up a bit on the trail! What do you mean looking? The Series Rover is more than capable of supporting all of these gadgets and more, like the coffee grinder, wind-up radio and all of the gadgets to make life truly civilized on the trail. My beloved 109 dashboard has everything you mention but the espresso maker (that's on the engine), and even more, like: Globe-spanning 10-meter transciever holding rack for the cattle prod (gotta clear the sheep off the trail SOMEHOW) Rubber blowup....er....later on that one Urchin rack for unruly children Manly and macho does not need to mean uncivilized. >Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly >dead... And if you hadn't nailed us to the perch we'd be pushing up daisies! ajr ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:54:30 -0800 (PST) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: Thanks to lro----Range Rover question Kurt -- when I was looking into getting a Great Divide bumper, LRNA told me it was made in the UK. It is aluminum alloy in contrast to the ARB steel design. There are actually two -- the one on the "Great Divide Edition" was not as large in the vertical dimension, as it didn't have provision for a winch. The one offered as the "GDE Winch/Bullbar" accessory is larger vertically so the winch fits neatly inside. Cheers John Brabyn ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:54:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, barnett childress wrote: > Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and > store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of > the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's > important, but this...? Who's talking about in a moving vehicle? After some evening, er, discussions, you need something to hold the coffee cup still since it appears to be in several places at once when you wake up in the back of your Series vehicle. As for the bottle opener, you should know by now its about 5' long and comes standard on most Series vehicles... > Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly > dead... That's generally occurs at about 4am... > Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress It ain't so... > 95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders) Yes plush, unless you wish to follow Russell Burns about for an afternoon. The only chap I've seen so far turn the entire front end of his D90 a light brown colour. Inside and out. ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 14:56:55 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Oh Alan, Now you know I have a "Defender and can't get a new one if I scratch it"! As a Rover "newbee" I must admit I had no idea there were three other rover food groups! Thanks for setting me straight. Rubber blow up? I'm sure this must be some special recovery device! Cheers, Barnett ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:05:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: OVLR Birthday Party OVLR Birthday Party is scheduled for June 21-23rd for those interested. Same location as last year (Silver Lake, Ontario) Dixon Kenner (819) 997-1107 Canadian Forestry Service Natural Resources Canada ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:56:45 GMT From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re: Unlocking the central diff-lock In your message dated Wednesday 21, February 1996 you wrote : > The mind boggles. All list readers should ALWAYS follow this advice and > keep my signature handy....we do very reasonable recoveries !!!!! > Regards, Ian It does work, 'onest guv. I use it all the time!. As I said (name droppin 'ere) I wuz going round the LR track at Eastnor Castle, and this is how the instructor demonstarted the technique (BTW it doesn't work for Series LR's as they 'aven't a central diff). Gerald. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Gerald Tan EMail gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk | | Purely my own opinions - not those of my employer | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 15:13:44 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Dixon, I must admit brown on the (inside) hasn't happened... yet, but I'm up for it! Cheers, Barnett ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 15:14:45 LCL From: Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party What will be the agenda this year? ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:05:24 -0700 (MST) From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us> Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, barnett childress wrote: > Okay guys; [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)] > Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress > 95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders) besides---if you can't get there in a RANGE ROVER you shouldn't be there in any vehicle. Thats what hiking boots are for!!! 2 cents worth + ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:51:32 -0800 From: Gus Macintosh <John.A.Macintosh@jpl.nasa.gov> Subject: subscribe subscribe ----- Gus Macintosh gus.macintosh@jpl.nasa.gov ----- ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:24:05 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Dennis Seiler wrote: > What will be the agenda this year? At this early date, I'd say the same as last year. The light off-road is some 45 miles long, the heavy off-road significantly shorter, but a wee bit more challenging. There is a hill climb in another part of the hydro cut that we are going to try (exposed bedrock, to be flattened flora etc). In the evenings, I'd say a wee bit of beer. The Birthday Party is not a huge event like the Downeast in Maine or the ROAV Mid-Atlantic. Under half the size because of location, but off-roading wise, er, rather different that those two locations. Basically its a big party. More than a dozen people on this list were there last year and seemed to enjoy themselves. Ben Smith drove from California to attend. Rgds, Dixon Kenner (819) 997-1107 Canadian Forestry Service Natural Resources Canada ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com> Subject: RE: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries. Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:25:13 -0800 >From: barnett >childress[SMTP:barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com] >What size and brand alternator does anyone suggest for winching, lights, >Etc.? How do you go about installing dual Optima batteries? Are they wired >in parallel? I have heard that an isolator is good from some folks and bad >from others, any comments? That depends on what you're running: Parallel = double the power, but no "safety" reserve if you run the battery down. The best of both worlds is to have them isolated for charging (so that each one gets what it needs without draining the other) and providing the ability to run one down without draining the other. And have an interconnect switch or relay that bypasses the isolator (connecting the batteries in parallel) for those occasional "big" jobs. >Should you have an emergency cut off switch for the winch? I put one on my Jeep's winch so that if I bashed something real hard or if someone wanted to cut the wires and steal the winch, I/they wouldn't short out the battery starting a fire in the process. _____ /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA | _|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ N7UMU >Should you have an emergency cut off switch for the winch? ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 15:36:44 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> Subject: Re[2]: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, we don't need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool guy stereotypes? Make us sound like heathen's, why don't you! There's an air of refinement and an appreciation of things of quality that seperates us from the rest of the rubber-footed herds... Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's important, but this...? I don't know about you but usually my beer is followed by coffee...Plus I drive my 88 to work, so why shouldn't I drink coffee in it. Coffee is MACHO. Half-caf-decaf-latte-vanilla-almond-peanut-creme-de-whatever is not. Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you can freshen up a bit on the trail! CD player? Nah. I like my $20 Sears cassettte player, courtesy of PO. CD's would break from the vibration. Plus the way that dash collects water, Iit's just not worth it. Cell phone, sure. Could save you a long walk. If I wanted to walk through the woods I'd be hiking, not driving. Hot towels are in the ARB locker. Besides haven't you heard? These items are all symbols of the new "90's macho". Every Eddie Bauer wearin' yacht clubbin', trail jogging, "Men's Journal" readin', latte snarfin' yuppie in the country probably dreams of driving a Series Rover. Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly dead... Well just don't "look up" at us when you're stuck in 3 feet of mud!! Dave "Pass the 90wt, these cigarettes are making me thirsty!" Bobeck '72 SIII 88" Macho Pastel Green ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:10:20 -0800 Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! On Thu, 22 Feb 96, "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> wrote: >Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and >store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of >the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's >important, but this...? Methinks some folks would have to disagree with you as to the importance of coffee to a series owner....especially when there's a little Scotch in for 'flavour'. Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:10:32 -0800 Subject: LRNA Sales. Does anyone know where I can find out the number of LR products sold in North America since LRNA (RRNA) was formed? Thanks, Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:10:26 -0800 Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party On Thu, 22 Feb 96, Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU> wrote: >What will be the agenda this year? Beer, Mud, Small Mammals? :) Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com> Subject: RE: Re[2]: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:12:26 -0800 >I don't know about you but usually my beer is followed by coffee...Plus I >drive >my 88 to work, so why shouldn't I drink coffee in it. Coffee is MACHO. >Half-caf-decaf-latte-vanilla-almond-peanut-creme-de-whatever is not. Agreed, but, Coffee is to 87 octane as [double/triple] Espresso is to Hi-test. Therefore, it stands to reason that a Discovery with the factory-installed, under-dash-mounted espresso bar and optional IV feed would be the ultimate in machesmo! (why the IV? So the coffee cup doesn't interfere with the transfer case shifter, of course) It's when you start diluting the espresso with the aforementioned additives that you regress into the "Eddie-Bauer, boat-shoe, Levi-Dockers with sweater-tied-around-your-neck" type mentioned below. >Besides haven't you heard? These items are all symbols of the new "90's >macho". [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >readin', latte snarfin' yuppie in the country probably dreams of driving a >Series Rover. Hey I bet they'd trade their Ford Explorer for one! (not that there'd be many takers, of course :-) _____ /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA | _|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ sans espresso bar, unfortunately >Besides haven't you heard? These items are all symbols of the new "90's ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ChrisF6724@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:22:24 -0500 Subject: Outback trip..(not really rover related) Hey, I ran across this post on compuserve and thought maybe someone here might be interested, so I thought I would post it here... Begin text:_____________________________________________ G'day from the Outback, I am an American but currently live in the Center of Australia's Outback - Alice Springs. I brought my 1989 Toyota 4Runner with me and have modified it extensively for the harsh/remote conditions of the Australian Outback. I'm looking for someone to join me as a co-driver on the following trip. In July/August, I'm undertaking an extensive Outback trip, much of it across trackless expanses of the Great Sandy Desert in West Australia. A convoy of 10 vehicles will undertake an expedition which travels from Alice Springs, NT to Newman, WA over a 25 day period. There is a stretch of at least 11 days where there is no known water sources. Vehicles are required to carry upwards of 260 litres of fuel and 120 litres of water. Fuel drops will be arranged where we intersect our bush bashing with one of the few roads (two wheel tracks in the sand) in West Australia - The Canning Stock route. Each Drop will include a 50 Gallon drum of fuel for each vehicle in the convoy. The trip is centered around personal exploration. It is extremely likely that we will traverse land which no white man has travelled before. Daily duties of the group range from "Dunny Duty" to puncture repair from the days travels. There will be days in which we will be hard pressed to make 20-30 km. Upon reaching Newman, the group breaks up and returns to wherever their home is. I plan on returning to the Alice via the picturesque NW coast of Australia. This includes the 4wd territory of Broome, The Kimberly, etc. This portion will include extensive travel of the vast Outback road system (single lane, corrugated and washed out gravel roads with lots of wandering stock and free roaming animals). The list of custom modifications to the 4Runner are long. Some of them include: *** Include file cannot be found *** (clip) The trip runs from from 22 July 1996 to probably around 27 August 1996 (end date is flexible) and will likely cover close to 12000 kilometers. I'm looking for someone who is adaptable and willing to work as a team to get the job done. It is a truly unique experience. I would expect the co-driver to help cover costs. Please feel free to contact me for further details. Some photos and the journal of a previous trip in which I crossed America can be seen on my web page. Point your browser to http://www.ozemail.com.au/~flyer Don Burke 74244.2577@compuserve.com Alice Springs, Australia ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:27:40 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 ericz@cloud9.net wrote: > On Thu, 22 Feb 96, Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU> wrote: > >What will be the agenda this year? > Beer, Mud, Small Mammals? :) Small mammals are optional, but I understand that Mr. Bobeck will be handling that aspect of the Birthday Party. Besides, this may be the last Birthday Party that you can attend. If Buchanan is elected President, he intends to build a Great Wall of China along the Canada USA border to stem the flow of "bad" ideas from Canada (read bilingualism, multiculturalism, socialised medicine, welfare, unemployment insurance etc.). At least we have good beer, lots of mud, tons of small furry mammals... :-) ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:32:38 -0800 Subject: Re: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! > I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... > rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, > we don't need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool > guy stereotypes? Not hardly > Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to > drink coffee and store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. As a tea drinker I was also wondering if there was a place to strap down a stainless steel tea pot on the exhaust mainold so I could get hot water for my tea when I stop to streach my legs. I'm willing to go back to the refrigerator for milk to put in my tea and get tea out of the pantry. Even wash my cup afterwards in one of the sinks. It just that it takes longer than I like to heat a pot of water on the stove. Driving when drinking tea is a bit risky. There doesn't seem to be a good place to put the cup and it tends to slosh a bit at the first good mud hole. Of course when finished, the washed and dry cup gets stored in the cupboard. > I could > understand the importance of the raging debate over where > to install the beer bottle opener, that's important, but this...? The opener is built into the instrument apnel on pre series III Land Rovers. No need to install a second. Idealy you want to convoy with a home brewer that has just brewed a nice ale. Trying to be a model citizen, I think the ale should be kept in the refrigerator out of reach wile driving. >Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular > phones, installing CD players, expresso makers, and > hot towel dispensers so you can freshen up a bit on the trail! I have given some thought about a cellular phone for emergency calls for help but I keep hearing that you are always out of range any time you may need to call for help. I am constructing a consol that fits over the front windscreen though. It will hold a CB, a radio (Yes I finally decided to go for the plushness) and maps. Perhaps a GPS could mount up there if I decide to go for one. Being above head level, it will hopefully be above water level when the car goes wading. I have not yet decided where to place the towel holder. I plan to use the rear door grab handle and put it somewhere near the ceiling. > Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's > are truly dead... I haven't yet picked the colours for the curtains and the carpet ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 22 Feb 96 16:55:20 EST From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> Subject: Free wheel hubs The use of free wheel hubs does not save the front prop shaft. The bearings in the Hookes joints are needle roller, they work by rotating between the inner and outer races of the bearing. In lightly loaded applications, as when the drive shaft is rotated by the road wheels there is a tendency for the rollers to skid and wear, rather than rotate. This produces premature failure of the bearings.That is why the rear shafts seem to last forever ( providing they are lubricated ) and front shafts don't last long. When free wheels hubs are used and the shaft is not rotated then ifferenrt problems occur, vibration causes the rollers to move to and fro slightly, this creates wear in one spot, the worse it gets the worse it gets, eventually the hard skin is worn away. This condition is known in the bearing business as " brinelling " which occurs when two hardened mating surfaces are vibrated. It can be seen in the early stages as a series of parallel lines on the shaft or bearing cap bore. This problem occurs in all types of bearings and can occur whilst items arer stored on the shelf if they are subject to vibration, hence in organised stores the use of stock rotation systems and turning the shafts of motors etc by hand at prescribed intervals. Next week I am off to France for a couple of days and for three days in the Land Rover Kingdom to o/d on Land Rovers. Regards Bill Leacock Limey in exile. ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:17:47 -0500 From: sim1@cornell.edu (Steve MARGOLIS) Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels Tom Rowe asked: >I posted a piece on the care and feeding of turbos last year. Does >anyone still have that (I tend to not save my drivel)? If not, I guess I ca= n > redo it. >anyone still have that (I tend to not save my drivel)? If not, I guess I ca= I'll save you some time, Tom. Here it is. I'd like to chip in my 2 cents= worth on the value of letting an engine with a turbo idle when you start it= up and before you shut it down. It worked for me with the Peugeot turbo= diesels that I have had. I used to let them idle at least 30 seconds on= start up - sometimes 10 minutes or more in the winter - and at least 60= seconds before shutting them down. I never had a problem with the turbo. = Carry some glass cleaner and towels. Start the engine, then clean your= windshield and lights. When you get where you're going, park, clean your= lights again, then shut it down. Tom's 'drivel' follows: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 11:40:34 GMT -0600 >Subject: increasing turbo longevity Hello all, I've been meaning to post some info on turbos for those who care. I used to rebuild them and picked up a few things along the way (sorry, I didn't pick up any turbos). =46irst, I don't know what make turbo LR uses, but most of this will apply to all turbos. Starting the engine. Don't rev it up until your oil pressure is built up as turbo clearances are less than most engine parts and it will be the first damaged. Idealy you shouldget a T fitting and mount your oil pressure sender at the oil inlet to the turbo. It's usually the last thing the pressure gets too. Some designs though either have a check valve to prevent oil leaving the line, or a direct line to the turbo from the pump. Shutting down. Don't park your Rover and then immediately shut down. The turbo gets HOT and a cool down of a minute or two (longer if you've been using a lot of boost) will be appreciated. When you shut down with a hot turbo the oil cokes up on the shaft and will eventually foul the bearings and lead to premature failure. There are available resevoir kits that are charged with oil on startup then release it to drain through the turbo on shut down. The best I've seen is a kit that comes with it's own pump and allows you to prelub the turbo and a heat activated switch that will post lube it until the temp drops to an acceptable level. It draws the oil from the sump through a fine filter that contains a magnet. If you are working around your turbo make sure you don't foul the drain tube if it's a flex tube. Turbos must have the drain port within a specific range of angle and a clear drain. If either is out of spec the oil will back up and blow by the seals and into the engine. On it's way it will foul the impeller and if it goes on long enough you can get enough of a build up to get the turbo out of balance. Once out of balance, it gets progressively worse until it contacts the housing and will take about one second to completly destroy the turbo and possibly wipe out your engine. If you must run the engine with the air cleaner removed, be *very* careful that nonthing gets sucked in. Very small things will wreck it in short order, most intake side impellers are aluminum and fragile. This seems obvious, but you'd be supprised how many wrecked turbos we saw because something got sucked into the air intake. Depending on the make of turbo, you may be able to get a water cooled housing (like the ones used on Saabs) that will help keep it cool. If you need to get your tubo rebuilt, ask if they balance the shaft and impellers. Some shops don't but it's important. Best, if it's a shop you are familar with, is to ask them "How do you balance the shaft and impellers?" Hmm, that's all I can think of at the moment, if more comes to mind, I'll post it. Tom Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Steve Margolis Ithaca, NY 1957 107 station wagon - still in Maine in 'kit' form - Damn! ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 22:16:46 UT From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> Subject: Winch for RR Anyone know of a discreet winch mount for a RR. Those familiar with LRO mag may remember "SYD" Gary Pusey's RR. He has a Warn mounted up under a steering guard at the front with the spoiler removed. I was wondering if anyone has / knows of what type of mount winch combo this is. Rgds Mark ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ASFCO@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:23:43 -0500 Subject: Remote Starter for sale All: I have a brand-new remote starter for sale. ..it will not work with manual transmission vehicles. it would be perfect for the RR, Disco etc .. e-mail me direct if you have an interest Rgds, Steve Bradke 72 S lll 68 S lla ------------------------------[ <- Message 57 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:35:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Subject: Re: Winch for RR On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Mark Talbot wrote: > Anyone know of a discreet winch mount for a RR. Those familiar with LRO mag > may remember "SYD" Gary Pusey's RR. He has a Warn mounted up under a steering > guard at the front with the spoiler removed. I was wondering if anyone has / > knows of what type of mount winch combo this is. My 88 RR came with a very discrete winch. I asked the PO what kind it was, and he didn't know. I got down and looked at a small brass plate and, with the light just right, read "Manufactured by Rovers North...." Last time I was on the phone with them, ordering the discrete "D" ring, I asked if they still have them? Yes, they do. I also asked about the guts, and I think I was told it is a Warn 8000#. I haven't had an opportunity to really use it yet. I don't have a spoiler either. Walt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Walter C. Swain | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us * * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover * * Davis, California | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------[ <- Message 58 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:58:10 -0800 Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> wrote: > Besides, this may be the last Birthday Party that you can attend. > If Buchanan is elected President, he intends to build a Great Wall > of China along the Canada USA border Just call Lanny at RN and ask for the 'Mining Rover' kit, so you can go under the wall ;) If you don't mind being shot at, a few extra snatch blocks will probably get you over... ....or perhaps a big ramp...where's that guy who wanted to do 180s? Regards, Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 59 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SLYKDYK@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:29:19 -0500 Subject: Mogul bashing We're off to Telluride Co for two weeks of skiing...Maybe the Disco can do some mogul bashing while it's up there..Our driveway sometimes requires low if the plow hasn't got there yet (I know..I know....LROs don't need plows)....The toughest part is convincing my spouse the the Disco was built for conditions at 9000+ ft above sea level in February.. See you in a couple of weeks...Maybe one of you will be up there . We have a white Disco with bull bar, ski rack..CO # VZL 4100. Cheerio! ------------------------------[ <- Message 60 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:51:19 -0800 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: D90 Commuting Just a quick idle remark following on the comments about people who only commute in their RRs. I commute in my D90 and find that it has some advantages for this as well. In first gear high I can take my feet off all pedals and the engine will tick over at about 250 rpm and creep the vehicle along at sub-speedometer speeds - no stalling. This comes in very handy in some of the more traffic prone portions of the freeway. Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------[ <- Message 61 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:57:54 -0500 Subject: Alternator goes...then what? Thought I'd post this note on this list also, problem is how long do you have to drive after your alternator fails, and you are running on your single 12V battery alone. Can anyone see problems with my calcs? I am using the standard Bosch Automotive Handbook, 3rd Edition. Thanks, John P. 94 D90. In a message dated 96-02-22 10:00:25 EST, you write: >From what I read, it's less than 5 amps to run the engine electrical... but >there is the fuel pump (still less than 2 amps). Say 7 amps on a 600 amp/hr >battery... Regarding how long you should be able to drive without an alternator, I did some checking on this today. I wanted to see if book calculations would mimick the report of 30-40 minutes with headlights, because that seems a little too short to me. I ran into a problem because I couldn't find how much a standard fuel injection unit draws, (nor its fuel pump--though I was ready to use the above quoted estimate of <2amps). Here are some avg power consumption figures I found: (all the I (current) values are based on 12volts, my book gave me only the watt values) Ignition 40W 3.3A LowBeams 90W 7.5A Wipers 5W .4 A (this seems real low for a motor and mechanical device) My own Estimates: Fuel Pump 24W 2.0A Injectors 120W 10.0A ----------------- approx Total 280W 23A Now, Kelly said figure on a "600 amp/hr" battery. I figured that value was actually 600 CCA, or cold cranking amps, not the actual nominal capacity (Ah or Amp-hours), which is the constant current that can be delivered for 20 hours, this is a standard test which can let you predict performance...exactly what I want to do here. Unfortuanately, I also can't find a nominal capacity for a real live battery, I called the NAPA store with my volvo battery number (6024, a 60 month group 24, just your average battery) and got a 250 "Load Test Amps", and a 500 CCA. I don't think Load Test Amps is nominal capacity, as it is very far from a value in my Bosch book which lists as an example of an auto starter battery, a part# 56618, 12V, 66 Ah, 300 CCA, where the 66 Ah is the nominal capacity. Fine. Lets use THAT battery, even though it seems like it is a pretty small battery judging on the low CCA number. (we'll error on the good side...) At a total load of A= 23 amps, and a nom cap of Ah = 66 Ah, DTC (coeff) = A/Ah = 23/66=0.35 as a "discharge time coefficient." Using a battery performance graph, I get just about 3 hours until battery voltage drops below 10.5 volts, a standard test voltage below which most 12v automotive devices won't run right. So, there you have it, that fellow who drove 30-40 minutes must have had his stereo with the super bass woofer pounding away, because he aught to have been able to go about 3 hours. :>) Now for the real test: Does it seem like you could drive 3 hours using battery power alone with headlights on? Or, could you run a 23 amp device for 3 hours with your car battery? ------------------------------[ <- Message 62 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:08:28 +0000 From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> Subject: Re: Brinelling William L. Leacock wrote: > The use of free wheel hubs does not save the front prop shaft. > The bearings in the Hookes joints are needle roller, they work by rotating between the inner and outer races of the bearing. All very plausible, but my needle bearings were not the problem. The splines became very worn and allowed the shaft to spin eccentrically. The vibration thus caused was, naturally, intense. No brinelling there, as the shaft extends and contracts as the suspension works up and down. And, yes, it was very well lubricated. As the hubs are regularly locked for some miles to ensure inernal splash lubrication, the opportunity for brinelling is no greater than that which will occur, say, on the steering column needle roller race, I would think. -- David Olley ................................................................................ ..... Winchester, England Tel: +44(0)1962-840769 Fax : +44(0)1962-867367 Home Page: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept ................................................................................ ..... ------------------------------[ <- Message 63 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:22:52 +0000 From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what? PurnellJE@aol.com wrote: > problem is how long do you have to drive after your alternator fails, All your calculations assume a unity load: i.e. resistive. I am not an expert (there are lots out there) but I believe that the load drawn by electric motors is subject to an adjusted formula. W=AV is not correct for motors. I recall this from when having something to do with generators, when the term KVa is used rather than KiloWatts. This takes into account non unity loads. Someone with knowledge will tell us. -- David Olley ................................................................................ ..... Winchester, England Tel: +44(0)1962-840769 Fax : +44(0)1962-867367 Home Page: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept ................................................................................ ..... ------------------------------[ <- Message 64 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com> Subject: FW: D90 Alternators...and battery capacity Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:25:14 -0800 >One battery rating that would seem very appropriate for this type of study >is the "Reserve Capacity" which (as I recall) is the number of minutes a [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)] >Just my 2 volts worth... >>-- Bob W. ------------------------------[ <- Message 65 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:32:07 -0800 From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates) Subject: Galvanic corrosion Just an idea, but i am going to try it on some less structural joins on Emerson -wrap the bolts in teflon tape (use stainless steel/galvanized?) -make washers out of some suitable plastic using a gasket cutting set. I am going to cheat and try plastic milk jugs and a hole punch Am I just really stupid or would this actually work? Cheers -- __x___x_ / Clinton D. Coates uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca |__|__|__\/__ | | |_ | *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs (_)"""""(_)" *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover* ------------------------------[ <- Message 66 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:28:52 -0800 From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates) Subject: Series Lightweight Questions Are there any lightweight owners/knowledgeable people out there willing to answer some questions about them (probably private is best to save bandwidth)? CDC -- __x___x_ / Clinton D. Coates uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca |__|__|__\/__ | | |_ | *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs (_)"""""(_)" *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover* ------------------------------[ <- Message 67 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 22 Feb 96 20:36:48 EST From: Paul.Smail@Washcoll.EDU (Paul Smail) Subject: Diesels and Imports Two quick questions for the Rover gurus: 1. Why are diesel engines (non-turbos), even with their lack of horsepower and torque, preferred for heavy off-road use? 2. Do you have any advice for importing Series Land Rovers? Both Land Rover Owner International and Land Rover World list in their classifieds sections businesses which "specialize" in "USA exports." What considerations must be taken as far as taxes and laws? Thanks, Paul ------------------------------[ <- Message 68 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 20:55:51 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion -wrap the bolts in teflon tape (use stainless steel/galvanized?) -make washers out of some suitable plastic using a gasket cutting set. I am going to cheat and try plastic milk jugs and a hole punch Am I just really stupid or would this actually work? I don't think anything done in an honest attempt to stop corrosion could be called stupid... except maybe using stainless hardware in a structural application... I've used rubber plumbing washers which are about 1 or 2 mm thick, between some of the steel washers that come up against the aluminum. I think in general, the bolts aren't the culprits, it's really the nuts and washers that have a lot of surface area up against the Birmabrat. I'd feel comfortable using em just about anywhere that isn't torque spec'd as I imagine the rubber will eventually decay, leaving the fastener a little loose. I like the idea of the milk carton stuff, as long as they aren't designed to be UV degradable. Even so, the area under the steel washer wouldn't be exposed to light, so... The teflon tape may be considered excessive but go for it. Certainly cant hurt anything. Dave "Too many rust holes to worry about" B. ------------------------------[ <- Message 69 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 21:16:17 -0500 From: XINCLXLRO@learnlink.emory.edu (LRO Conference @ learnlink.emory.edu) Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what? PurnellJE@aol.com,Internet writes: >So, there you have it, that fellow who drove 30-40 minutes must have had his >stereo with the super bass woofer pounding away, because he aught to have >been able to go about 3 hours. :>) The guy that had the alternator fail here in Atlanta drove back approximately 140 miles to Atlanta with lights on the whole way as well as about a half hour inside the area we were offroading in. He made it the whole way back without failure, we assume on battery power. I didn't figure you could make it that far, but apparently it's possible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 70 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SACME@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:15:41 -0500 Subject: TeriAnn's List of Spares & Ian's request for copy I saved it, and here it is. I don't know how to make all those ">" appear automatically in front of TeriAnn's message, so QUOTE/UNQUOTE will have to suffice. QUOTE From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:53:12 -0800 Subject: Re: What do you keep in YOUR tool kit? Tool Kit that gets loaded for long trips: - 3/8 socket set short & long sockets, short & long ratchets, breaker bar, extensions, and torque wrench. - an assortment of slot & phllip screwdrivers. - a couple of cresent wrenches and vice-grips - a set of combination wrenches, with duplicate 1/2 and 9/16 wrenches. - gas pliers, slip jaw pliers, long nose pliers. - large diagonal cutters, wire stripper - continuity tester - A couple of clip leads - a tube of blue RTV that comes in the silver tube - a hand full of rags - file - a pice of sand paper - feeler guages - hammer - assorted punches & chissles Additional Tools that stay home: - ring pliers - electric impact wrench & sockets - compressor. sand blaster, cut off wheel, grinder - pickle fork - multimeter - crimper - allan wrench set - electric side grinder Spares: - engine oil - 90 wt - rear 'U' bolts & nuts - special hoses - fan belt - water pump - plugs, cap, rotor, points, spark plug wire - length of insulated electrical wire. - a bale's worth of baling wire Probably the most important part; Before going on long trips or offroading I carefully inspct the car and check/fill all fluids. I do the inspection at least two weekends before the trip so I can have a weekend to do repairs or replacements. I restrict my Land Rover to the road or home if I do not think the car is not mechanically in very good shape. I check all the fluids just before leaving. I do not want to be the one who breaks down. I think people lose patience for someone who breaks down every time that they come out on an offroad meet. TeriAnn UNQUOTE TeriAnn - Sorry I couldn't get this on the digest in time to save you trying to reconstruct it from memory. I saved many of the substantial submissions on that topic, so my tool kit will have EVERYTHING in it... and be carried in a following 18-wheeler! ------------------------------[ <- Message 71 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SACME@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:15:02 -0500 Subject: Brake system maintenance Following onto the bandwidth about using silicone brake fluid, hygroscopic characteristics, etc., yours truly thought he would be brilliant and suggested that the problem could be reduced by regular bleeding, i.e., flushing the water out. On reflection, and again bear in mind that I am talking here about drum brakes (I don't know if or how this applies to discs) I think I was grossly mistaken. The bleed screw and the brake line connection, on Series vehicles, are both at the TOP of the wheel cylinder, where they have to be to allow air purging, therefore, it seems to me, you could pump a tanker load of Castrol LMA through the brake lines, and you won't make a dent in the water that has been absorbed/adsorbed in the fluid in the wheel cylinders themselves. Am I right in thinking that the only solution, if one continues to use "antique" hygroscopic brake fluid, is to periodically strip down the wheel cylinders and dry 'em out, honing, replacing, or rebuilding as necessary. I am already severely depressed by Sandy Grice of the Rover Owner's Association of Virginia telling me that I can expect serious problems from the reformulated gas that our state (Maine) has mandated, naturally without any effort to tell us taxpayers what we might face in the way of problems (carb seals turning to mush, etc.), so be nice when you tell me I have completely forgotten about the framistan connecting to the gronikle on Suffix A Series III's. Doug Scott 2 ea. 72 Series III and charter member of the BB (hoping for lots of company on the BB, it will be only as strong as the commitment of its "subscribers" - Solihull product owners being in place to provide reasonable help to other Solihull product owners.) ------------------------------[ <- Message 72 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:34:28 -0500 Subject: Zenith Carbs Re: Zenith carb slop. The fit of the throttle shaft in the carb body is critical and these carbs, as well as S.U. carbs and others, will wear out the soft carb body and allow a bad air leak. In order to idle properly the mix is set too rich which causes poor running in general. If you know a good local machine shop have them line drill the body, fit bronze bushings, and ream the bushings, and install a new shaft. If there are no local companies try Hemmings Motor News under MG etc. for an S.U. carb specialist. I had mine fixed local and it worked great, and will outlast a new carb as the bronze to bronze wont wear out for a long time. Good luck. Andy Blackley 83 RR 4sp. no power junk Email to AKBlackley@AOL.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 73 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 18:28:46 PSZ From: gmoore@comox.island.net (Greg Moore) Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion Has anyone experimented with sacrificial anode? Cheers,Greg ------------------------------[ <- Message 74 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Pat Hubbard <patito@mail.unicom.net> Subject: Disco Auto Transmission Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:59:07 -0600 I really like my brand new Discovery, but ... The auto transmission holds off the 3rd to 4th gear shift until we reach = 52 mph. Does anyone know if this is this normal? Does it mean that 4th = gear is really an overdrive, or does it mean a trip to the dealer? Pat Hubbard Lee's Summit, Missouri patito@sh3.com 1996 Portofino Red Discovery ------------------------------[ <- Message 75 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com> Subject: RE: Disco Auto Transmission Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:12:19 -0800 >The auto transmission holds off the 3rd to 4th gear shift until we reach = >52 mph. Does anyone know if this is this normal? Does it mean that 4th = >gear is really an overdrive, or does it mean a trip to the dealer? My '95 is almost the opposite, it up-shifts very early (IMO) so much so, that I keep the selector in 3rd around town and only use 4th (OD) on the freeway when it's flat or downhill. The demonstrator's I've driven were like this, too (which makes marginal acceleration very unimpressive). So, to me, it sounds like something needs adjustment. Of course, maybe it's mine that needs the adjustment :-) _____ /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA | _|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ N7UMU >The auto transmission holds off the 3rd to 4th gear shift until we reach = ------------------------------[ <- Message 76 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:12:10 -0500 From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net> Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion Is that the same as retaliating on a spammer ? -- ============================================================= Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net" 92 Range Rover (No ABS, No Sway Bars, No Air Bags, No EFI Light) Graduate Student, MBA Program, Old Dominion University Norfolk, VA, USA (804) 440-5383 ============================================================= ------------------------------[ <- Message 77 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JDSalerno@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:40:57 -0500 Subject: Service manual My son recently bought a sIII, 88 STW and would like to obtain a service or owners manual. Local book stores have very little Land Rover material available. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to obtain a manual? ------------------------------[ <- Message 78 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:46 -0500 Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! In a message dated 96-02-22 13:58:53 EST, you write: >Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly >dead... >Ha...HA, >Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress >95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders) I must agree wholeheartedly with El Senior Barnetto, if you remember, I posted earlier that my plushmobile came factory equipped with 2 beverage holders. Now, I try to choose my words carefully, and I said 'beverage' holders because that would leave open the choice of beverage, I didn't want to say espresso, or Fresca, or what I wish resided in there more: Newcastle Brown Ale (ok, it doesn't really fit neatly), because of the associations the SERIES OWNERS would make, and of course, post accusatorily with impunity. ...and now...this. I am full of shame. Embarrassment. VENGEANCE. ok, here it goes: I DRINK ESPRESSO IN MY LAND ROVER! AND SOMETIMES I BUY IT ALREADY MADE FOR ME...INSTEAD OF MAKING IT HOMEBREW STYLE! Whew! I'm ok now. Sorry. John, D90, with 2 spots for loose change, spray-n-wash tokens and old fuses (NOW where do I put my espresso? It's like driving a Range Rover or a Series...) ------------------------------[ <- Message 79 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:19 -0500 Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109 In a message dated 96-02-22 11:33:33 EST, Dave Brown, he write: >Just to let you all know (yeah! Like you cared!) that I loaned my RR out >to my soon to be girlfriend ..; Some people use greeting cards, some use roses, heck, some even use Pick Up lines from some book bought at one of those naughty bit stores...and yes, some, some very special, unique individuals...use Range Rovers. What a world. Ya know, it's great to be alive. Wisconsin John. ------------------------------[ <- Message 80 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Unlocking the central diff-lock In a message dated 96-02-22 15:17:16 EST, you write: >BTW it doesn't work for Series LR's as they 'aven't >a central diff). repeat after me: Series have no central diff...Series have no central diff...Series have no ------------------------------[ <- Message 81 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:24 -0500 Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! In a message dated 96-02-22 14:59:13 EST, Dixon, he write: >The only chap I've seen so far turn the entire front > end of his D90 a light brown colour. Inside and out. hasn't been on wisconsin roads much, i don't think. ------------------------------[ <- Message 82 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:58 -0500 Subject: Re: D90 Alternators and Warrantee work/ time on the bat. only... In a message dated 96-02-22 12:34:18 EST, it was written: With headlights, taillights, etc you are going to increase that number to around 22 amps or more. I don't know how one would convert this to and amp/hr rating though. I did call last night to see how the D90 made it back on Sunday, and found out that it made the 120 mile drive back without any trouble, and that was with headlights on, and starting the car a few times. Without headlights, who knows how far you could make it. =========================================== Hey! My homework proved pretty darn correct! What did I estimate...just about 3 hours? And, I came up with 23 amps in my estimation of the current draw...SOMEBODY GIMME A JOB!!! Where is that Land Rover recruiter when I need 'em. O yea, I forgot, I'm not ready to move to England, yet. If anyone has one of those wonderful ammeters with the hook on it, go out and run your car with the lights and wipers on and post the current reading at the battery cable will ya...I just gotta see what the real answer is! John, 94 D90, and the Bosch Handbook...y'all gotta have one of these things! (and don't forget the horn rimmed glasses, pocket calculator, pocket protector, and Kraftwerk cassette...) ------------------------------[ <- Message 83 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:00:03 -0700 (MST) From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us> Subject: jump on this one! >From the Salt Lake Tribune Thurs Feb 22, 1996 "61 english land rover 88. safari roof, extra cleen. 4000 actual miles. price nego. R>H> Bell (801) 896-6615 or 116 No. 500 West Richfiel Utah 84701" This is not a gag I actually found this in the paper, check for yourselves sound like a dream for all you antique owners. good luck! Tebbin salvesen 87 RR EYS edition ------------------------------[ <- Message 84 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:30 -0500 Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party In a message dated 96-02-22 15:10:47 EST, you write: > OVLR Birthday Party is scheduled for June 21-23rd for those > interested. Same location as last year (Silver Lake, Ontario) Thanks Dixon. I guess I won't see you this year, you going to owl's head the following week? And is there a contact for that meet on this list? Thanks. John, D90, wedding: June 23rd, hopeful Roverish honeymoon...the following week. ------------------------------[ <- Message 85 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:12:15 +0200 From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton) Subject: Series Brake Shoes THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'VE SENT THIS BIT IN TO THE MAJOR (THIRD TIME LUCKY) :-( >Even the genuine shoes are like this, but they come with two self tapping >screws. It takes a little work to get them started, but I have never had much [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >tap through the holes first.Works a treat,and you *do* have the retaining >tab to make sure the self tappers dont self untap! Our Landies have 2 little bolts (not screws) that hold the "banjo" on the shoe. >No idea what the banjo is for,though. DO NOT ASSEMBLE THE BRAKE SHOES WITHOUT THE BANJO ! The banjo is to stop the trailing shoes from binding and locking in the drums. Cheers, Brian Cotton bcotton@lia.co.za South Africa Try this URL http://www.lia.co.za/users/bcotton/ fore some info on the LROC of SA ------------------------------[ <- Message 86 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:35:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion On Thu, 22 Feb 96, "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> wrote: >I don't think anything done in an honest attempt to stop corrosion could be >called stupid... except maybe using stainless hardware in a structural >application... >From what I understand "extra strength" stainless fasteners are the same strength as a grade 5 fastener. Does anyone know how to get these or how they might be identified technically? Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 87 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:36:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Mogul bashing On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, SLYKDYK@aol.com wrote: (I know..I know....LROs don't need plows).... How does the man who drives the plow get to the plow....? Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 88 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:38:56 -0800 Subject: Re: jump on this one! On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us> wrote: ....for all you antique owners. good luck! Them's fightin' words...watch out! :) Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 89 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: CrankIt@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:49:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Mile Marker hydro winches I talked to Mile Marker and they said that they will work fine on LR's but to expect less than the rated pull because the LR power steering pumps don't pump to high enough pressure. They actually suggested replacing the pump with a Saginaw unit to allow their winch to reach rated pull power. gene ------------------------------[ <- Message 90 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:49:53 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party > Just call Lanny at RN and ask for the 'Mining Rover' kit, so you can go under > the wall ;) If you don't mind being shot at, a few extra snatch blocks will > probably get you over... Don;t worry, Tundra North with have the factory kits available by then. Current production problems are revolving about the difference between moose and deer... ------------------------------[ <- Message 91 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: CrankIt@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:52:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift Hi-Lift jack fits real nice behind the seats and attached to the cross brace of the D-90. gene ------------------------------[ <- Message 92 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:35:59 -0800 Subject: Re: Brake system maintenance On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, SACME@aol.com wrote: >I am already severely depressed by Sandy Grice of the Rover Owner's >Association of Virginia telling me that I can expect serious problems from >the reformulated gas that our state (Maine) has mandated, I ran a few tanks of this through my V8 when I was up there with no ill effects so far...are the expected problems only with the older engines or older seals? Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 93 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:03:33 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party On Fri, 23 Feb 1996 PurnellJE@aol.com wrote: > Thanks Dixon. I guess I won't see you this year, you going to owl's head the > following week? Owl's Head is two weeks after the Birthday Party... Will be there, runnig for a 1st in "most disgusting engine bay" competition... Not to be confused with those who use Gunk and other toxic substances that invoke ime\mediate projectile v*m*t*** when viewed... :-) ------------------------------[ <- Message 94 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:47:15 +0200 From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton) Subject: Swivel Housing Removal Simon, I think ? The reason why you can't get that collar off is because it IS a pressfit. The problem is that it takes about 10 TONNS of pressure to get it on in the first place ! The common way to get it off is to shatter it and fit a new one but... When you put the new one on you can heat the collar and GENTLY BASH :-0 it in place, maybe you can get the old one off the same way but heating it in the shaft is a bit more tricky. Have fun Cheers Brian LROC of Southern Africa ------------------------------[ <- Message 95 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:02:22 +0200 From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton) Subject: 4-wheel high? Gentlemen, lets broaden our minds ! There is a cover that bolts onto the front of the front output shaft housing to keep mud and gunge from fowling the two shafts that operate the high range gears inside the output shaft housing, anyway, grit caused the above mentioned shafts to stick and render 4WD High inoperative on my girlfriends Landy, clean them, knock them abit and lube them then all might work again. Cheers Brian LROC of Southern Africa ------------------------------[ <- Message 96 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:26:01 +0001 From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili) Subject: Re: Arctic LR Disco Survial >I'm about to purchase a 1996 Disco and will be driving it to Fairbanks AK >in the Spring. Im wondering if anyone has any advise on winterizing the [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >in the Spring. Im wondering if anyone has any advise on winterizing the >Disco? Will all of the factory lubes perform ok, IE: engine, diff and Well hello Mel, You should pay some attention to the washerfliud, cause it will freeze at 0 C. LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR ____ | _____/|__|| Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl> | /(-8| \ | Avalon Green '95 Discovery, VG-XH-66 ____|_/[]__|__\___|# "The Chameleon" |] __=| | __ |# [|_/ \|_____|_/ \_|] ( o ) ( o ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 97 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:28:24 +0100 (MET) Hi Barnett writes: > Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and > store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of > the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's > important, but this...? Maybe it's just a seasonal problem related to the Serie heaters? Even that thing I have in my 110 lets me drive at least in think pullover etc. I onnestly thought about taking a thermocan of tea with me (fits better ------------------------------------------------ Attachment C:\MAILSYS\GATEWAY\CCROUTER\mailman.txt can not be processed. ------------------------------------------------- --Inter_Part_Boundary_Wrr0GcaD3n-- ------------------------------[ <- Message 98 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:52:13 +0000 (GMT) From: hugh.davies@rnb.com (Hugh J.E. Davies) Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest > From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> > Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what? [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)] > into account non unity loads. > Someone with knowledge will tell us. You're thinking of power factors, which are applied to all loads that are not purely resistive. But, it only applies to AC supplies, not DC like in cars. Regards, Hugh. ('89 Range Rover Vogue Efi Automatic. And 4 foot snowdrifts, at the moment.) ----- Hugh J.E. Davies, AVP Unix Support, Republic National Bank, 30 Monument Street, London. This is *NOT* an official publication of RNB. Personal email to huge@axalotl.demon.co.uk, please. ------------------------------[ <- Message 99 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:56:53 +0000 (GMT) From: hugh.davies@rnb.com (Hugh J.E. Davies) Subject: Galvanic corrosion What I've done on the front wings (fenders) of my '89 RR is to replace the mild steel that holds the tops of the inner and outer wings together with a piece of stainless steel angle and stainless steel bolts. It's worth having a look round your local ships chandler since they have a lot of usefull hardware, and electrolytic corrosion is a way of life on boats. Regards, Hugh. ----- Hugh J.E. Davies, AVP Unix Support, Republic National Bank, 30 Monument Street, London. This is *NOT* an official publication of RNB. Personal email to huge@axalotl.demon.co.uk, please. ------------------------------[ <- Message 100 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:08:19 +0000 From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> Subject: Re: Leaky master cilinder Philippe Carchon wrote: > The master cilinder of my clutch is leaky for a while now and became > worse when it became cold outside. Sounds like the piston seals became inelastic due to the cold, not allowing them to expand under pressure to create an adequate seal. Could be time to replace the seals. Have fun. -- David Olley ..................................................................................... Winchester, England Tel: +44(0)1962-840769 Fax : +44(0)1962-867367 Home Page: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept ..................................................................................... ------------------------------[ <- Message 101 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: monk@math.udel.edu Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:24:05 -0500 Subject: Unlocking the center diff. Our local dealer told me that I didn't need to worry about the locking light. They said to select (for example) unlock/hi-ratio (usually the light stays on) and then drive. Sooner or later the light will go off (and it has so far....). Is this good advice or should I be more careful? Thanks Peter (1996 Disco - watertight and healthy) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Department of Mathematical Sciences Phone: 302-831-1873 University of Delaware FAX : 302-831-4511 Newark, DE 19716 USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 102 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:28:18 +0000 From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Hugh J.E. Davies wrote: > You're thinking of power factors, which are applied to all loads > that are not purely resistive. But, it only applies to AC supplies, > not DC like in cars. > Thanks, Hugh. I knew someone would set me straight. -- David Olley ..................................................................................... Winchester, England Tel: +44(0)1962-840769 Fax : +44(0)1962-867367 Home Page: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept ..................................................................................... ------------------------------[ <- Message 103 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:41:30 GMT -0600 Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! > WARNING!!! READ FIRST!!!! (This post contains humorous content. The author assumes no responsibility for anyone who takes this post seriously. This post is an attempt at humor. Any resemblance to anyone living or dead is > purely coincidental!) - dag-nab-it, you went and spoiled it! I always take everything I read here as the gospel. Just ask Dixon. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 104 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:45:37 -0500 From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi) Subject: Mercedes Question, D110 owner?, MA, USA Not completely on topic, so I'll keep it short. Saw an awesome Mercedes 4wd in Weston, MA, USA the other day. First thought it was a unimog, not knowing what one was. Checked on net and found it wasn't, so I'm guessing it is a g-wagon. Anyone know where I can find a picture of one on the web so I can confirm? Anyone know who the owner is? Also, is the owner of the White D110 in this area on the net? I've waved twice in the past couple of weeks, but no response. (Don't think this was you, Jim, as (a) I assume you'd wave back, and (b) seen in Weston/Wayland area near 27/126. Sorry for the local topic, but no way to choke down distribution I know of. -Bob Virzi rvirzi@gte.com Think Globally. === +1(617)466-2881 === Act Locally! ------------------------------[ <- Message 105 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: crash@merl.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:48:06 -0500 Subject: Discovery diagnostic readout codes! I have good news: Discoveries have a digital diagnostic readout box built in; it's under the passenger seat, facing backwards, and looks like a black plastic box about 1" x 2.5" x 3". It's actually deep red semitransparent plastic and it contains a red LED readout with no segments illuminated if nothing's broke. It's clipped under the seat, and can be unclipped and positioned where the driver can see it. It doesn't give anything close to what Testbox gives, but it's in the car already. (note- this may or may not apply to the 96's with OBD II systems built in) The folks at Land Rover Metro West even gave me a photocopy of the codes, which I reproduce below: --- human typein follows --- Description of fault codes: The fault codes are listed in order of priority. Where more than one fault exists, clearing the first fault code will permit the next code to be displayed. Note: fault code 02 will show if the ECU has just been reconnected. Switch on ignition to clear the display. Clearing fault code display" It is necessary to clear the code displayed when the fault has been rectified, and to access any further fault codes that may exist. Clear the fault code displayed by the following procedure: 1) Switch ON ignition. 2) disconnect serial link mating plug, wait 5 seconds, reconnect. 3) switch OFF ignition, wait for main relay to drop out. 4) Switch ON ignition. The display should now be reset. If no other faults exist, and the original fault has been rectified, the display will be blank. 5) if multiple faults exist repeat steps 1 to 4, as each fault is cleared the code will change until all faults are cleared. The display will now be blank. CODE 29 - ECU memory check. If this fault is detected, all other faults are unreliable and must gheerefore be ignored. Proceed as follows: 1) leave battery connected 2) switch ignition off 3) wait for approximately 5 seconds 4) disconnect ECU plug. 5) reconnect ECU plug 6) switch ignition on and check display unit. NOTE: if fault code 29 is detected again, substitute ECU and restart test sequence. CODE 44 - Lambda sensor A - left bank CODE 45 - Lambda sensor B - right bank If one of these fault codes is displayed check the wiring to that particular lambda sensor. If both codes are displayed, the voltage supply to the heater coils of the sensors must be checked. Refer to test 26, continuity test procedure. CODE 25 - Ignition misfire This code indicates that an ignition system misfire has been detected. Codes 40 or 50 indicate on which bank the misfire has occurred. CODE 40 - Misfire bank A - left bank CODE 50 - Misfire bank B - right bank If both fault codes are displayed, check the following components common to both banks: Distributor cap rotor arm coil electrical connectioins pick-up (air gap) amplifier injectors (if code 34 or 36 is displayed) If either fault code 40 or 50 is displayed check components applicable to the particular bank that the misfire has occurred on. Spark plugs HT leads distributor cap Injectors - if code 34 bank A or 36 bank B displayed CODE 12 - Airflow meter. Refer to test 19, continuity test procedure. CODE 21 - fuel tune select - identifies that the tune select resistor is open circuit- refer to tune select resistor test. CODE 34 - Injector bank A - dhe display will indicate if the injector(s) are causing the engine to run rich or lean. If the bank is running rich, check for - faulty injector wiring and connectors, stuck open injectors. If the bank is running lean, check for - faulty injector wiring and connectors, blocked injectors. CODE 36 - Injector bank B - as code 34, except relevant to bank A injectors. CODE 14 - Coolant thermistor - refer to test 14, continuity test procedure. CODE 17 - Throttle potentio meter - refer to test 17, continuity test procedure. CODE 18 - Throttle potentiometer input high/airflow meter low - refer to tests 17, 18, and 19 of the continuity test procedure. CODE 19 - Throttle potentiometer input low/airflow meter high - refer to tests 17, 18, and 19 of the continuity test procedure. CODE 88 - Purge valve leak - refer to test 9 and 10 of the continuity test procedure. CODE 28 - Air leak - check for air leaks in the following areas: hose, air flow meter to plenum breather system hoses to plenum brake servo hose vacuum reservoir hose (fresh air solenoid) distributor vacuum advance hose, purge valce to plenum injector seals joint - bypass air valve to plenum plenum chamber to ram housing ram housing to inlet manifold inlet manifold to cylinder head bypass air valve hose CODE 23 - Fuel supply - check fuel system pressure, test 20 of continuity test procedure. CODE 48 - Stepper motor - check base idle speed- see setting procedure. Refer to tests 15 and 16 of continuity test procedure. Check road speed sensor- refer to test 25 of continuty test procedure. CODE 68 - Road speed sensor - refer to test 25 of continuity test procedure. CODE 69 - Gearswitch - refer to test 24 of continuity test procedure. CODE 59 - group faults 23/28. This indicates that a fault has been registered that is caused by the fuel spply or an air leak but the exact fault cannot be identified. Check all items outlined under codes 23 and 28. Code 59 - Fuel thermistor - Refer to test 13 of the continuity test procedure. -Bill ------------------------------[ <- Message 106 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 13:30:00 UT From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com> Subject: cup holders etc Barnett, you said "Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you can freshen up a bit on the trail! " Well alright, but we are still the types that cook on the manifold, have "Roadkill Cooking Guides", and weld vices onto the bumper. Personally I have no time for this coffee guzzling stuff, but if I *have* drink, its either stored wedged between the backrest and seat cushion, or I use velcro to stick it to the dash. If you can't cut biltong on your Series dash then you haven't lived yet. Matthew "Eat biltong, carry a big stick" ZA ------------------------------[ <- Message 107 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:18:20 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels Thanks to Steve Margolis for saving my "drivel" - I finally found the catalog from the company that makes the automatic turbo oiler . Turbo Power 2317 De La Cruz Blvd. Santa Clara, CA 95050 408-748-0151 A division of Gillum Turbo Systems, Inc. This is an '87 catalog so I don't know if they are still in business. The unit was called the Tturbo Life oiling system, PN TL1A and listed for $189 then. They aslo sell/sold turbos, kits and parts. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 108 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:21:26 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party > ....or perhaps a big ramp...where's that guy who wanted to do 180s? Last I heard it was something about his seatbelt failing, and the bull bar cables and, well..... Stop me Dixon. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 109 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:26:01 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what? John, There's two important factors I didn't see in the calcs. Age of battery, and level of charge when the alternator goes. Both of these would be difficult to factor in, the former being the hardest I would think. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 110 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: crash@merl.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:22:48 -0500 Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Pat asks: "The auto transmission hodls off the 3rd o 4th gear shift until we reach 52 mph. Does anyone know if this is normal? Does it mean that 4th gear is really an overdrive, or does it mean a trip to the dealer? That's not 4'th gear, that's the lockup clutch on the torque converter. The Disco auto trans (a ZF24HP) has four gear ratios forward PLUS a locking converter. The four speeds are shifted automatically on both road speed, engine RPM, and throttle, and the converter lockup happens on road speed and throttle, nominally at 50 to 53 MPH. You're probably not hearing the 1-2 shift, which happens at very low speed. And yes, fourth gear is an overdrive and fourth with the converter locked is _very_ overdrive. :-) -Bill (who went over the service manual last weekend - bored to tears, I was! ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 111 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:30:00 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Series Lightweight Questions > Are there any lightweight owners/knowledgeable people out there > willing to answer some questions about them (probably private > is best to save bandwidth)? Fire away. However, if they are mechanical/electrical questions the lightweights are almost identical to SIIa & SIII 88's so many on this list could answer them I imagine. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 112 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:28:07 -0800 Subject: Re: jump on this one! On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us> wrote: > ....for all you antique owners. good luck! Some things strike a resonance in people's souls and are made well enough to last. These "antique" Land Rovers are such a thing. There is something about the charisma, the way that it puts you into life and lets you feel alive and participating in life that draws certain kinds of souls and invigorates them. Since there isn't a lot of them, its fortunate that not all souls strike a cord with the series Land Rovers. Most souls seem content to experience life vicariously through television and books... living other people's fantasies. Still others want to live their own lives, but want it sanitized and comfortable. Thankfully, for this group there are Range Rovers and motels. TeriAnn "Life's too short not to drive a roadster, to drink bad wine, or not to drive a series I,II,IIA,III,Stage 1 ,or Defender Land Rover....Make the most of it while you can" ------------------------------[ <- Message 113 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:32:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift > Hi-Lift jack fits real nice behind the seats and attached to the > cross braceof the D-90. > gene Gene, at last an elegent solution to a problem that has been palguing US spec D90 owners. The jack is firmly stored, out of the weather. I was never convinced that the Hi-Lift jack was sturdy enough to make a proper front bumper protector, and its way to heavy to have bouncing loose with your camping gear. I'm happy that someone seems to have come up with a sensable solution. TeriAnn They fit behind the seat on a 2 door 109 ------------------------------[ <- Message 114 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:39:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Swivel Housing Removal ----------------------------- Begin Original Text ----------------------------- > The common way to get it off is to shatter it and fit a new one but... > When you put the new one on you can heat the collar and > GENTLY BASH :-0 it > in place, maybe you can get the old one off the same way but > heating it in the shaft is a bit more tricky. If the bearing is hot from a propane tourch and the hub is cool, you should be able to drop it on and have the bearing fall into place before it cools down. You need to male sure the stub hub's shaft is clean and smooth, sitting upright. Drop the bearing using your surplus Norton Bomb site as soon as possible after removing heat. I even went as far as stuffing the hub full of ice. The other way is to take it to an automotice machine shop where they can properly press it on with a big press for a few dollars. TeriAnn ------------------------------[ <- Message 115 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:46:34 -0800 Subject: Re: 50th Tour of RSA Anyone have a feel for the cost of shipping a 109 from West coast US to South Aferica? East coast US to South Aferica? Reads like an adventure with photo ops to me TeriAnn ------------------------------[ <- Message 116 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 23 Feb 96 9:15:22 EST Subject: Re: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! In response to your question about the tea-heater: Personally, i'd wrap a section of the manifold with large-diameter stainless tubing. Add a small reservoir at either end and a non-return valve at the cold side and you've the makings of a very nice camper water-heater. The temeratures there are more than adequate to heat a fair quantity of water, and an insulated reservoir would keep it hot for hours. A far easier hookup, though, would be to add an on-demand electric heater to your kitchen sink. These can provide instantaneous 160F water with not a helluva lot of current, and would seem to me to be easier. Also give you hot water for food prep and washing-up, too.... Talk to a camper-goods supplier - they're not all that expensive. aj"Being practical for once"r ------------------------------[ <- Message 117 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:03:21 -0500 From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg) Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! >Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and >store coffee mugs? >Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, >installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you Gee, as the coffee drinking owner of a Spillmaster Jr. Drink holder, Cellular, and CD equipped Series IIa I could really resemble that remark! It's a good thing I respect Barnett for *really using* (and so nicely equipping) his 90 or I'd... No worries mate, I come equipped with a well-developed sense of humor! :-) RoverOn! JAB == == Jeffrey A. Berg Purple Shark Media Rowayton, CT jeff@purpleshark.com ================== My garden is full of papayas and mangos. My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos. Taste for the good life, I can see it no other way. --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version) == == ------------------------------[ <- Message 118 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:13:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Series Lightweight Questions In a message dated 96-02-22 20:00:48 EST, you write: >Are there any lightweight owners/knowledgeable people out there >willing to answer some questions about them (probably private >is best to save bandwidth)? Hey, don't write it privately, this is exactly why the list is here. I need to hear all this Series info, too. There's gonna be a day when others attempt to make me a laughing stock for not knowing something about Series, and your posts may help me save face. I already lost part of it on the center diff deal... John :>) ------------------------------[ <- Message 119 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: 73363.427@compuserve.com Date: 23 Feb 96 11:13:45 EST Subject: Discovery diagnostic readout codes! >> 2) disconnect serial link mating plug, wait 5 seconds, reconnect. << Anybody have a clue what this is, I found no reference to it in the RR manual except for the above line. ------------------- | | | | _ _ ____|____ _ _ | Rob Dennis O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O 73363.427@Compuserve.com \____===_=====_===____/ Atlanta, GA USA |oo |(_)###(_)| oo| (404) 875-4537 | | ### | | | | ####### | | 1972 SerIII 88 |_____|_#######_|_____| 1990 RangeRover [_______________________] EEEI EEEI Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com On 23-Feb-1996 ------------------------------[ <- Message 120 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 11:17:56 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Jeff, I already surendered this morning! Rover on! Barnett (Nothin' on the radio anyhow, and HOW do you get the towels in the air locker?) Childress ------------------------------[ <- Message 121 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 11:17:39 EST Subject: Bowie, MD vs *Bodie*, CA TeriAnn, Have been to both, though did Bodie pre-LR (unfortunately). There's a parking area outside of "town," and a short walk to actually get into Bodie proper. Just as well, 'cause a Series II parked next to the old schoolhouse would just delay your eventual departure because of all the tourists snapping photos of each other standing in front of "the old West car!" Would be a nice tame day trip for a bunch of untamed LROs just the same. Anyway, Bodie is worth a look, a National Park site, I think, right outa Gunsmoke. Bowie, well that's right outa, I dunno, Brady Bunch or something "suburbian" like that. Living in Eastern Suburbia but yearning for the high Nevada desert, Hank (formerly with NV tags "BRIT4X4") ------------------------------[ <- Message 122 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Gene Sparks <galleryg@techline.com> Subject: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:29:27 -0800 It might interest some of you that there is a new place to buy Land = rover parts and accessories on the net. The address is = http://www.techline.com/~europart It's a nice page with lots of LR links = and their prices are great. I've bought from this company before and had = a good experience. (I got a Brush guard for my Disco for $375) I just = recently ordered LR Safari 5000 lamps for only $119. My dealer wanted = $175 for these little jewels. They have a LR Gift section and Clothing = section too but they seem incomplete so far. Gene 96 Disco 5 speed w/character dent Proud member of Birmabright brotherhood ------------------------------[ <- Message 123 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:30:12 -0500 Subject: 1995 D90 Bullbar Wanted From: "Andrew A. Dallas" <adallas@systemsoft.com> Anyone out there have a D90 Bullbar for sale? Perhaps one of you people who was searching for winch options might have an extra now. -AD ************************************************************************ Andrew A. Dallas Full Spectrum Software, Inc. 30 Whittemore Road Newton, MA 02158, USA (617) 965-7580, On Site Office: (508) 647-2948 email: adallas@tiac.net, Web Page: http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/ ************************************************************************ ------------------------------[ <- Message 124 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:46:20 -0600 (CST) From: ccray@showme.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what? On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 PurnellJE@aol.com wrote: > Thought I'd post this note on this list also, problem is how long do you have > to drive after your alternator fails, and you are running on your single 12V > battery alone. Can anyone see problems with my calcs? I am using the FWIW, i drove across kansas from 12midnight to dawn -- say 5:30am -- two summers ago with a bum generator. headlights got very dim towards dawn, but never a problem. brand new sears die-hard at the time. drove another 1+ hours before stopping for breakfast. 2.0 hours on a fast charger -- say 40amps or so. thendrove for 3 days without using the lights on that charge. always used the starter. ray harder (siia 88 (lulu)) ------------------------------[ <- Message 125 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 09:00:55 -0700 From: Slade@sisna.com (Michael Slade) Subject: Re: Swivel Housing Removal TeriAnn wrote: >I even went as far as stuffing the hub full of ice. >The other way is to take it to an automotice machine shop where they can [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >properly press it on with a big press for a few dollars. >TeriAnn I did something similar w/my last hub job. I put the hub in the freezer overnight (wrapped in a plastic bag) and then the next day I put the collar on top of a 100W light bulb for about an hour. I didn't have a propane torch and wouldn't know how to use one if I did (didn't want to blow up the apartment). The collar slipped on without incident, but not without a couple of nudges from a wooden mallet, but it went on nicely. Getting the old one off was another thing though! Michael slade@sisna.com '70 109 Station Wagon ------------------------------[ <- Message 126 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 12:12:53 EST Subject: Re: 109s/Coffee/Macho, etc. True story, personal experience.... A few years ago, before the Def 90 and Disco invasion, I drove the beast to work here outside of DC. 1960 Ser 2 109 SW, tyre on the bonnet, pseudo-olive drab PO paint, big mud flaps with logo, etc. (No cell phone, no CD player, no heat...) My co-worker, a real spritzer-swilling starving artist playwrite wannabe had a friend visit at work, a peripheral-type Hollyweed participant, sometimes-working-sometimes-not but always in therapy trying to figure out what to be when she grows up (30s). They're yacking, reassuring each other that it's okay not to let real responsibility interfere with pursuing one's dreams, lack of talent notwithstanding, when she says to him, " hey, did you see that truck out there." "That's Hank's vehicle" says he, causing her to be amazed for about the third time now. She responds that the driver of such a vehicle would surely be a "*Hero*" out where she is. As I see it, problem is that anyone who intentionally drove a 30plus-year-old LWB Safari as a "keeper" *and* was interested in such hero "status" would necessarily be suffering from multiple personality disorder. Gotta run -- working on a new idea for a romantic comedy screenplay... (Just kidding) Love my Disco, but the *old* L-R what makes me a look like a hero to my kids, and who else matters? Never-Offensive Hank "The mind wobbles" - Kelly Bundy ------------------------------[ <- Message 127 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Steve Methley" <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:46:59 +0000 Subject: Re: Series Lightweight Questions Clinton asks: >Are there any lightweight owners/knowledgeable people out there... Sure.... -- Best Regards, Steve. ------------------------------[ <- Message 128 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 09:53:28 PST From: Chuck Huston <huston@com> Subject: SF Bay Area - Discovery Advice Hi Net, I live in Fairfield, CA and work in Walnut Creek (East SF Bay Area). My wife and I are thinking about buying a LR Discovery and find that our closest Rover dealer is Cole European (Walnut Creek). I also think there's a dealer in Sacramento (my wife's home town). 1) Have you had good experience with this dealership (purchase/service) and/or can you recommend any others within driving distance? 2) We currently own a 4dr/4wd Explorer but, since we like the Disco's spec's much better, we thought it would be a good vehicle "upgrade" - any advice? Thanks, Chuck ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Huston ==Home Internet Account==> E-Mail: huston@sparc1.castles.com WWW Page: http://vader.castles.com/huston/ Work Info: Varian Chromatography Systems Phone: 510-945-2317 GC/MS Research and Engineering Fax: 510-945-2334 Walnut Creek, CA 94598 USA Email: chuck.huston@csb.varian.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 129 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 09:46:22 PST From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson) Subject: D90 Tow hooks and Batteries Tow hooks: Front: Genuine Land Rover Military tow loops, from Rovers North, BP, your dealer, etc. are probably the easiest, cleanest way to go. They bolt on the frame just back of the bumper. Rear: Can just loop a cable throught the receiver hitch. Many of us us a receiver -> shackle adaptor. Just makes life a bit easier. Warn makes them and they are available at almost any 4x4 store. (Actually lots of companies make them.) Batteries: Two Optimas fit easily in the D90 battery compartment. I've also got the solenoids for my winch in there. I plan on eventually putting a solenoid to allow multiple battery configurations in there to. -Rick '94 D90 Richard Larson LSI Logic Corporation (408) 433-7149 ------------------------------[ <- Message 130 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:11:30 -0800 From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder) Subject: RR fuel tank recall I had the recall service done on my '88 RR, and paid nothing. -Matt ------------------------------[ <- Message 131 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:55:29 +0000 From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth) Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party >> ....or perhaps a big ramp...where's that guy who wanted to do 180s? [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] >bull bar cables and, well..... >Stop me Dixon. Do no such thing,Dixon.Come on Tom,more,more..... Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 132 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:26:35 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Driving the 109 or ouch that coffee's hottt! > I got an official LR GOJO travel coffee mug as a gift from LR Metro West - Hmmm, I've heard of adding a lot of flavors, and even tried a few, to coffee, but GOJO is a new one on me. I've only used it for cleaning my hands. Now, was it the variety with pumice or sans pumice, and was it the regular flavor, or the new orange flavor? Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 133 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:34:43 -0500 Subject: Rented a disco From: wheelman@pipeline.com (Lee Levitt) So this week I rented a Disco in San Jose...spent 3 days driving around getting a really good feel for the Disco... I had previously testdriven one briefly, and this extended drive gave me a better perspective on its handling/comfort/usability... I was really impressed...very comfortable overall...I don't alway like the ergonomics of cars' cockpits...and I *did* like the Disco a lot... I was also quite impressed with the driveability and tossability of the Disco around town...drove it kinda hard, in fact, and it just stuck to the pavement... Which unfortunately, I wasn't able to leave...The road to Santa Cruz was washed out with mud slides, and I figured it was a perfect opportunity to check out the Disco's offroad capabilities, but most of the rest of the cars on their way to Santa Cruz didn't have similar capabilities, and a 50 minute ride would have taken 4 hours...so I skipped it. If anyone wants to rent a Disco, I'd recommend calling the local Enterprise office (wherever you're travelling to) and ask them if they have one or if they know of another office that does...it took me a little work to find one, and I've already reserved it for my next trip to the area... Now if only they had the 4.6 SE... BTW, now that I've gotten some good seat time in the Disco, my next mission is to go drive a late model Rangie and figure out which one I really want... :) Lee -- ----- Lee Levitt wheelman@pipeline.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 134 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 14:18:23 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org> Subject: Re: Leaky master cilinder Hi, The master cilinder of my clutch is leaky for a while now and became worse when it became cold outside. ...snip... Now (2 weeks later) the pedal isn't feeling spongy anymore, the thing doesn't leak anymore (to be honest a very, very small amount) and I didn't bleed the system !...snip... is a Landy such a good car that it even repairs itself... My clutch hydraulics are in a similar state right now. I was 200 miles from home with NO clutch. Bled them, and it was fine. I have to refill it about once a week. Cold weather makes them leak more, so if it's warmed up then it probably wont leak as much. You're better off replacing it then having it give up the ghost without warning. Also if it's leaking from the M/C than you are getting brake fluid on the firewall, and it is eating your paint. Mine leaks from the slave into the bell housing, where it mixes with all the other leaks. I plan on replacing mine *soon* but for now I am practicing speed shifting just in case... Cheers David Bobeck Washington DC USA '72 SIII 88 ------------------------------[ <- Message 135 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 14:20:02 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org> Subject: Re[2]: Galvanic corrosion >From what I understand "extra strength" stainless fasteners are the same strength as a grade 5 fastener. Does anyone know how to get these or how they might be identified technically? Interesting. Looking at McMaster Carr catalog... here it is... 304 Stainless Steel "for high temperature service" Min. tensile strength-75,000psi/ Min. yield strngth 30,000 psi. 18-8 stainless steel- Min. tensile strength 75,000 psi. Grade 8 High Strngth- Min. tensile strength 150,000 psi. Grade 5 - minimum tensile strngth 120,000 psi. for Grade 5's minimum tensile strngth decreases for bolts ove 1" diameter, to a low of 90,000psi for bolts over 1 1/2" diameter. Grade 2"Standard Strength bolts are rated for 74,000 psi. Titanium- Min. tensile strength 40,000 psi. strngth declines as temperature increases Alloy 20 Stainless Steel- Min. Tensile strength- 85,000psi Monel (nickel copper alloy 400) min. tensile strength 80,00 psi Silicon bronze- Minimum tensile strngth 75,000 psi. Hope this is helpful. Dave B. ------------------------------[ <- Message 136 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 14:23:21 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org> Subject: Re: Driving the 109 or ouch that coffee's hottt! Glad to see you learning so fast, Barnett.:-) Expresso, flavored coffee, Grey Pupon BAD!!!!! I'll settle for eSpresso, but I prefer turkish coffee, it's got alot more of that sludge in the bottom. Sort of like my air filter. i have to admit that those little miniature cups make me feel a bit silly though. Hope to see some of you at the Downeast rally in Maine! I may have to choose between that and OVLR B'day Party. I like the sound of a 45 mile off road... (No fear of adding that factory CD player/subwoofer now). Hmm. Interesting concept. CD's I don't know about. I still stand by my "Sears Special", mounted where only the passenger can reach it. (definitely a SPOT, fortunately one of very few). Although some would fault me even for having that. Childress 95 D90 (not a "plushie" just some of the same "civilized options"). Give it a few decades. Cheers Dave "Pinkies up" B. ------------------------------[ <- Message 137 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PETER ESTIBEIRO - CGR <PETERE@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:05:26 +0000 Subject: Stripping swivels >>I'm trying to remove the swivel ball from the housing, as the whole unit requires a major overhaul. The whole lot is siting on the floor and I have removed the retaining collar (axle side) the one that bolts on, but have been unable to remove the one under this which seems (from the workshop manual) just to be a press fit just and retains the seal. Looks like the thing has seized<< I've just stripped and rebuilt a swivel housing on my SIII. The thing under the retaining collar is part of the oil seal, it protrudes slightly and in my experience can't be removed without destroying it. As you should replace it anyway this doesn't matter!! Hold a chisel against it and belt it with your biggest hammer. It should knock out of its housing and you can then lever it the rest of the way. Good luck Peter. SIII 109 safari SI 86" >. ------------------------------[ <- Message 138 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:28:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk> Subject: Frog LW On TV it looked like Jacques Chirac uses a LWB Lightweight for parades. I thought that France supplied themselves with ministry and gov'ment cars?? rgds sv/aurens ------------------------------[ <- Message 139 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:28:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk> Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109 In message Thu, 22 Feb 96 12:01:10 EST, "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> writes: > SIII plushie. The only real problem is trying to eat or roll cigarettes > leaving my hands free to perform other "tasks". I can almost roll a > stoger while driving the 88 but they usually come out sort of lumpy. If there is a strong wind from the side on the motorway it can be very exciting to roll a smoke in a 109. Perhaps they are right about smoking and health and all that. I once tried to roll one in my brothers 88 but that little thing is like a wild pony. Half a pack landed on the floor. "Gimme a smoke, bro". A good trophy exercise could be rolling cigarettes and drinking coffee in an 88, driving over potholes in the city while frying saussages on the manifold, running a dog over and dropping oil slicks at specified intervals. This should really separate us living people from the decaf nonsmoking health food anti pollution be nice to animals crowd. Naa...too macho. Skip the potholes. rgds sv/aurens ------------------------------[ <- Message 140 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:12:21 -0500 From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net> Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Given the recent delay in the digest, this comment may be of late interest. But, there was no additional charge for a fuel filter or anything else when my RR tank was replaced. Shaun Carrigan '88 RR ------------------------------[ <- Message 141 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:45:26 -0500 From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net> Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Mark Talbot's recent offer of a bull bar (I was too late) has got me thinking about installing a winch (and bar?) on my '88 Range Rover. There must be many options, including the official ($$$) bar / winch kit I see in the Atlantic British catalog. I'm looking for the ideal solution (price and reasonable performance). How much pulling capacity does one really need to pull through the occasional mudhole or ditch? I've seen "portable" winches advertised that are basically a plastic-housed block and tackle with a motor attached. Anybody every used or seen one? Are you better off with or without the bar? What about weight and battery considerations? I'm looking for a little off-road security, not a megabuck conversion. Thanks to all. Shaun Carrigan '88 RR ------------------------------[ <- Message 142 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:40:00 -0500 Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party In a message dated 96-02-23 01:07:52 EST, you write: > Owl's Head is two weeks after the Birthday Party... Will be there, > runnig for a 1st in "most disgusting engine bay" competition... Given what I read is the natural proclivity of Land Rovers to constantly flush all oil seals with clean engine oil to prevent ingress of sand and foreign matter, your drive to Owl's Head should help you win that competition, no? John. ------------------------------[ <- Message 143 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:40:13 -0500 Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! In a message dated 96-02-23 11:09:48 EST, you write: >A far easier hookup, though, would be to add an on-demand electric heater to your kitchen sink. These can provide instantaneous 160F water with not a >helluva lot of current, and would seem to me to be easier. Also give you hot >water for food prep and washing-up, too.... If you give me the specs, I will calculate/factor/figure exactly how much tea you can make, and hands can be washed, to leave you with an hours worth of radio in your battery while you wait for someone to find you and give you a jump start. JOhn. ------------------------------[ <- Message 144 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:40:13 -0500 Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what? In a message dated 96-02-23 10:28:08 EST, you write: >John, >There's two important factors I didn't see in the calcs. Age of >battery, and level of charge when the alternator goes. Both of these >would be difficult to factor in, the former being the hardest I would >think. Definately correct, and yea, the factors I used were indeed based on a fully charged, excellent condition battery of course. John. ------------------------------[ <- Message 145 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:40:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Driving the 109 or ouch that coffee's hottt! In a message dated 96-02-23 07:30:59 EST, you write: >t, and it fits quite smartly >in my factory Defender twin beverage holders! (and doesn't interfere with >the center diff lock). I didn't know that Defenders had center diff locks? I knew about the beverage holders though. John, 94 D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 146 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:02:35 +0100 From: lopezba@atnet.at Subject: Re: Twisted attachments Sorry to be so slow in responding, but somehow I did not get a digest for two days, and by the time they arrived my hands were shaking so badly that I could not hold the mouse steady. And I had to go and talk to my friend, too, before answering. Tom Rowe wrote: >Dixon writes: >> While I have you here, I recall that you have the rear pto coffee [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] >rear one. If you did that I'd install a pair of the bull bar to roof >rack wires. That way your road kill would be sliced already for you. Tom - been there, not worth it, does not really slice. Damn things are too thick, and the LR is too slow, and the little animals are too tough, they just slide up the cable and accumulate in the roof rack, which makes the car topheavy. However, since the local health authorities are getting concerned about the cost of injuries caused by bull bars anyway, my friend and I have started developing a razor-blade-style attachment to the bull bar that is normally vertical, but will turn horizontal on impact and kill instead of just maiming, thus saving both health cost and future pensions. Maybe that could be modified for slicing little animals, with the slices falling into a removable galvanized grill between the bumper and the breakfast which would fit on the manifold. My friend and I could certainly make the wire grill, galvanizing is still very cheap in Slovakia where they have lots of unspoiled environment that needs to be fixed anyway. >And if you modified the hopper on the grinder, and hit at the right >speed, why, you wouldn't even need to get out of your Landy to feed >the mill. I'm sure Peter HIrsch's friend could modify the coffee mill >with a meat grinder attachment. I talked to him, and he would rather add a separate grinder to the gearing since a lot of people like a cup of coffee while they wait for their meal to be prepared. All depends on whether we can get the heavy duty Salisbury axles for the intermediate gear so it can run two attachments. >> While this could be messy, wouldn't a sparkplug mounted on the side >> of the grinder in conjuction with running the FRT6A5 via the ARB [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] >can't say for sure because I only have the ARB Locker, not an >actual ARB. But I also don't like to get FRT's around my food. My friend and I do not recommend this. All LR's are extremely reliable, and the suggested power supply for the self-cleaning attachment to the grinder would be dependent on many rather unreliable influences, like for instance the Lucas wiring and switches for the sparkplug. However, my friend is sure he will come up with a feasible solution, probably involving lots of galvanizing. >bon appetite Aren't we disgusting? Peter Hirsch SI 107in S/W Vienna, Austria ------------------------------[ <- Message 147 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:02:29 +0100 From: lopezba@atnet.at Subject: Re: FWH stickers Dave Bobeck wrote: >Contemplating >some sort of sticker for the dashboard as reminder to get out and >lock the damn >things. Dave - just in case you want something reasonably original, there is an official Land-Rover warning plate. You can get a very nice remake from the Series One Club for 4 GBP plus postage. If you are interested, mail me directly. >I've seen alot of Rovers w/o them, so obviously you don't need them, and they >could be a big pain if most of your use is off road...I personally like them. Actually I heard of people who put them on all four wheels as an anti-theft device. Unlock all four when you walk leave the car, and a lot of funriders would be baffled. Seems to work in Africa and Asia, too. Good Freewheeling Peter Hirsch SI 107in S/W Vienna, Austria ------------------------------[ <- Message 148 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:02:49 +0100 From: lopezba@atnet.at Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Barnett wrote: >Okay guys; >I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] >the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's >important, but this...? Well, Barnett, is your memory that bad? There was a very serious message here not so long ago about the total incompatibility of drinking (even beer) and driving (even Series vehicles). *Everybody* immediately switched to coffee. Since we are talking American coffee, you have to drink it all the time to stay awake - in some European countries it would be sufficient to have a cup of coffee while you are refuelling, which is every two hours or so with a Series L-R anyway. so it is only natural that we are not talking beer bottles any more, but coffee. And remember the only radio talk was about a center PTO driven radio! >Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, >installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you >can freshen up a bit on the trail! No, I don't think so. Although - who knows? My friend might come up with a hot towel dispenser that works off the center PTO and uses the manifold heat... Have to talk to him about that. Anyway, the towels would be bronze green, I assure you. >Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly >dead... Come on now!! Snap out of it!! (I am slapping your face, left-right-left. You break down, sobbing hysterically. My hand is on your shoulder while I say) No, Barnett, it isn't so! >Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress >95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders) Peter Hirsch Real Series Vehicle Real European Country P.S.: Sorry-I read that too late: >WARNING!!! READ FIRST!!!! (This post contains humorous content. The author >assumes no responsibility for anyone who takes this post seriously. This >post is an attempt at humor. Any resemblance to anyone living or dead is >purely coincidental!) ------------------------------[ <- Message 149 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:14:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Subject: Re: Frog LW On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Soren Vels Christensen wrote: > On TV it looked like Jacques Chirac uses a LWB Lightweight for parades. > I thought that France supplied themselves with ministry and gov'ment cars?? A LWB Lightweight? Maybe this is just a Frogmobile (as opposed to a Plushmobile) that looks like a vehicle that Land Rover never made? Walt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Walter C. Swain | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us * * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover * * Davis, California | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------[ <- Message 150 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com> Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:23:22 -0800 >How much pulling capacity does one really need to pull through the >occasional mudhole or ditch? I've seen "portable" winches advertised >that are basically a plastic-housed block and tackle with a motor >attached. Anybody every used or seen one? The "cheap" (i.e. <US$100) ones aren't very helpful: motor too weak, cable too short to do much good except in the simplest of cases. Warn makes a "portable" winch that fits in a 2" receiver, and has 8000# capacity. The advantange of a HD winch is they have more cable, stronger cable and are more efficient (more pull per amp). Also they are more expensive. The advantage of the portable winch is, assuming you have a 2" receiver in the front and rear, is that you can take them off when you're driving around town and put them in the appropriate end (of the rover) if and when you get stuck. Ramsey also makes one that's a bit smaller with a shorter cable. >Are you better off with or without the bar? What about weight and >battery considerations? I'm looking for a little off-road security, not >a megabuck conversion. Thanks to all. >attached. Anybody every used or seen one? I'd suggess the front receiver and small to medium portable winch for the "casual" off-roader. This saves wear and tear on the vehicle and the stock battery should be adequate, though not wonderful, for the occasional use. For the "serious" (I'm-not-leaving-until-I-get-stuck-real-good) type, then having a permanent and/or heavy duty portable winch with corresponding electrical system enhancements. Understand that regardless of which set up you end up with, the nearest winch point will always be exactly winch-cable-length + 6' (or 2-m outside of the US) :-) _____ /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA | _|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ Winchless in Seattle (I'm-not-leaving-until-I-get-stuck-real-good) type, then having a >battery considerations? I'm looking for a little off-road security, not ------------------------------[ <- Message 151 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 09:53:28 PST From: Chuck Huston <huston%com@playground.sun.com> Subject: SF Bay Area - Discovery Advice Hi Net, I live in Fairfield, CA and work in Walnut Creek (East SF Bay Area). My wife and I are thinking about buying a LR Discovery and find that our closest Rover dealer is Cole European (Walnut Creek). I also think there's a dealer in Sacramento (my wife's home town). 1) Have you had good experience with this dealership (purchase/service) and/or can you recommend any others within driving distance? 2) We currently own a 4dr/4wd Explorer but, since we like the Disco's spec's much better, we thought it would be a good vehicle "upgrade" - any advice? Thanks, Chuck ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Huston ==Home Internet Account==> E-Mail: huston@sparc1.castles.com WWW Page: http://vader.castles.com/huston/ Work Info: Varian Chromatography Systems Phone: 510-945-2317 GC/MS Research and Engineering Fax: 510-945-2334 Walnut Creek, CA 94598 USA Email: chuck.huston@csb.varian.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 152 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 16:42:45 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org> Subject: Peter Hirsch E-mail me Dave - just in case you want something reasonably original, there is an official Land-Rover warning plate. You can get a very nice remake from the Series One Club for 4 GBP plus postage. If you are interested, mail me directly. Peter- thanks. Can you come back w/ your e-mail address? For some reason I don't get them with the real time messages. Thanks Dave dbobeck@ushmm.org ------------------------------[ <- Message 153 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:47:17 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Frog LW > On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Soren Vels Christensen wrote: On TV it looked like Jacques Chirac uses a LWB Lightweight for parades. I thought that France supplied themselves with ministry and gov'ment cars?? and Walt Swain replied: A LWB Lightweight? Maybe this is just a Frogmobile (as opposed to a > Plushmobile) that looks like a vehicle that Land Rover never made? Actually Santana made a LWB that looked very much like the lightweight. Hard to tell teh difference at a glance. Speaking of which, a few years back Popular Science here in the US did a piece on SUV's and pictured a 4WD to be imported from Italy I believe. I forget what they called it, but it was obviuosly a LR based on the Lightweight. Anybody have any knowledge if that ever happened? Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 154 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:26:14 -0800 Subject: Re: SF Bay Area - Discovery Advice Hi Chuck, I bought my Disco at Hubacher and was not impressed much with the qualifications of the salesmen. Most didn't know didly. At the time, apparently they were moving to a set of salesmen who had specific expertise for just the LR products. I can't say now. About 1.5 weeks ago, my wife took the Disco down for yet more warranty work and said there were many! Discos and RRs there. Maybe one Def90. We were able to dicker about 10% off the total price for fully loaded and accesorized (sp?). With more cars now, it may be even easier especially as you hit the end of the month. Plan to haggle and waste their time. Recent notes suggest RAB in the North Bay as well as several in SF and SJ. On Feb 23, 9:53am, Chuck Huston wrote: > Subject: SF Bay Area - Discovery Advice >Hi Net, [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >Hi Net, >I live in Fairfield, CA and work in Walnut Creek (East SF Bay Area). My wife >and I are thinking about buying a LR Discovery and find that our closest Rover >dealer is Cole European (Walnut Creek). I also think there's a dealer in >Sacramento (my wife's home town). >1) Have you had good experience with this dealership [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] >and/or can you recommend any others within driving distance? >2) We currently own a 4dr/4wd Explorer but, since we like the Disco's >spec's much better, we thought it would be a good vehicle "upgrade" - any >advice? >Thanks, [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > ==Home Internet Account==> E-Mail: huston@sparc1.castles.com > WWW Page: http://vader.castles.com/huston/ > Work Info: > Varian Chromatography Systems Phone: 510-945-2317 > GC/MS Research and Engineering Fax: 510-945-2334 > Walnut Creek, CA 94598 USA Email: chuck.huston@csb.varian.com >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- End of excerpt from Chuck Huston > GC/MS Research and Engineering Fax: 510-945-2334 -- Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838 ------------------------------[ <- Message 155 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:42:55 GMT -0600 Subject: LR for sale Found this on the 4x4 usenet ------------------------------------- 1967 SIIa 109 ambulance ex army, rebuilt trans new clutch in last 1000 mi, very original except for exterior paint (now red and white), Runs and drives great, Anti roll bars front and rear, Oil cooler, all the military mod's, custom removable tow bar, 61k miles $6500 I am located about 35mi east of Washington DC 301 261 5675 qrover80@aol.com ---------------------------------- Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 156 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:02:18 -0600 From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us> Subject: Mercedes Question-Reply G-wagen info The G-wagon is the only non-rover vehicle I really "need." :) The exclusive US dealer is in N.M. and new ones cost $127,000. Used are considerable cheaper with early 80's starting at around $10,000. Interior and ride are like an S class sedan(they say). It has true lockers front, rear and center, each controlled by switch in the cab. Spring suspension. 10.5 inches on wheel travel at all four wheels! rated to cross water of 24 inches with no problem. Mercedes diesel available. This is the only competition the RR really has for my affection, but NM is a long way away and I'm sure the ones in my price range are far below the quality of the RR at the same price. Still, maybe one day I can have both. Of course the "plushmobile" comments would be unbearable if I drove a vehicle with a "star" on the front. William ------------------------------[ <- Message 157 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SACME@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:21:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Arctic LR Disco Survival, etc. In a message dated 96-02-21 22:50:51 EST, Melvin wrote: >Will all of the factory lubes perform ok, IE: engine, diff and >> manual trany lube. Melvin, A possible solution to keeping the 90 WT warm (relatively) in the diffs. NAPA auto parts stores have a magnetic heater in their catalog, that will grip a magnetic surface while heating it. I have used it on my Ford tractor (engine sump) and it seems to work fairly well. Another possibility, and this may sound crazy at first, is a couple of electric heating pads. Wrap 'em around the diffs and hold 'em in place with bungee cords. Also, assuming you have 115 VAC where you will be parking, is a kerosene-powered salamander. Just make a skirt that will go around three sides of the car , leaving the front open and a "relief" opening at the rear, and blast the salamander into it from a safe distance for a short while before driving off. The smallest size salamander should be more than adequate - it's a very handy thing to have for thawing all sorts of things out; I suppose it could even be run off an inverter from your Rover, or with a small portable generator. Doug Scott ------------------------------[ <- Message 158 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:53:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Frog LR On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk> wrote: >On TV it looked like Jacques Chirac uses a LWB Lightweight for parades. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] >I thought that France supplied themselves with ministry and gov'ment cars?? >The French Govt Mission here decided to get a Defender. But anything they buy has to come from France. So they have a left-hand-drive 110 in a right-hand-drive country. Very French. Allan Smith 90 Tdi St. Lucia >On TV it looked like Jacques Chirac uses a LWB Lightweight for parades. ------------------------------[ <- Message 159 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:57:34 +0000 From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party > ....or perhaps a big ramp...where's that guy who wanted to do 180s? This afternoon, while cruising round the local Land Rover breakers and spares stores, I spotted a vehicle designed to do tricks. Like a 360 deg roll. It was an ex military SIII fitted with a very neat circular roll cage (around the fore-aft axis)just on the centre bulkhead. If the vehicle rolls over it just keeps on going till it's back on it's wheels. Nice party piece. The vehicle is for sale. -- David Olley ..................................................................................... Winchester, England Tel: +44(0)1962-840769 Fax : +44(0)1962-867367 Home Page: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept ..................................................................................... ------------------------------[ <- Message 160 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:57:51 +0000 From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> Subject: Re: Mercedes Question, D110 owner?, MA, USA Robert A. Virzi wrote: > Saw an awesome Mercedes 4wd in Weston, MA, USA the other day. First thought > it was a unimog, not knowing what one was. Checked on net and found it > > wasn't, so I'm guessing it is a g-wagon. Unimogs might be considered awesome, but a G-wagen? I think not. The G-wagen is a Mercedes interpretation of a Defender. Stuffed with all the mechanical toys that you all want on axles, not as good looking as a Defender but priced up there with the Range Rover, it sells mainly to Military users and posers who want the three pointed star on anything they drive. Very well engineered, though. Merc are planning an assault on the RR with a new vehicle because they realise the G-wagen can't cut it. -- David Olley ..................................................................................... Winchester, England Tel: +44(0)1962-840769 Fax : +44(0)1962-867367 Home Page: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept ..................................................................................... ------------------------------[ <- Message 161 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:14:33 -0500 Subject: Transfer Case Noise Part 1 --PART.BOUNDARY.0.8795.emout06.mail.aol.com.825124471 Content-ID: <0_8795_825124471@emout06.mail.aol.com.35091> Content-type: text/plain I am attempting to attach a .txt file with a note about transfer case noise. Beg pardon if it doesnt come through. --PART.BOUNDARY.0.8795.emout06.mail.aol.com.825124471 Content-ID: <0_8795_825124471@emout06.mail.aol.com.35092> Content-type: text/plain; name="TRANS1.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings to all on the list. Reading the digest of 2/21 I saw some requ= ests for information and thought I'd jump in. I am new to the list but ow= ned and drove daily a SIIA for several years and now do same with a not-s= o plush 83 Rangie 4sp. no power junk (no winter start up problems either = with manual choke carbs). To Richard Chala re: no 4WD high engagement. Had this same prob. on the = SIIA. Low worked fine but danged yellow knob would nt stay down. Take up = passenger floor board and you will see a little metal cover on the front = of the transfer case. Your problem may be that this thing is rusted throu= gh (mine was) and leaks and has allowed the selector shaft to become rust= y and seize in the alum. front case. The yellow knob lifts a pin which th= en allows the spring loaded selector shaft to move forward and engage 4 W= D high, but can't 'cause it is seized, or if you're lucky the afore menti= oned metal housing, into which the front of selector shaft moves, is dent= ed or full of crud, thus preventing full engagement. Dont count on it. Yo= urs truly tried soaking the offending shaft in WD40 and "tapping" it with= a punch and hammer after removing said cover. Bad move. It snapped in tw= o at the lift pin hole. Oh well..maybe if youre more patient than I was = it won't happen to you. Good luck. I --PART.BOUNDARY.0.8795.emout06.mail.aol.com.825124471-- ------------------------------[ <- Message 162 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:17:27 -0800 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Galvanic corrosion On Fri, 23 Feb 96, "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org> wrote: >Interesting. Looking at McMaster Carr catalog... here it is... >304 Stainless Steel "for high temperature service" Min. tensile >strength-75,000psi/ Min. yield strngth 30,000 psi. >18-8 stainless steel- Min. tensile strength 75,000 psi. >Grade 8 High Strngth- Min. tensile strength 150,000 psi. >Grade 5 - minimum tensile strngth 120,000 psi. Thanks, According to this, there is no equivalent stainless bolt to a grade 5. According to an article in 'Peterson's 4 Wheel and Off Road' March 1996 issue, "Also note that stainless steel bolts have tensile strengths of about 78,000 psi and good high-strength stainless steel bolts have tensile strengths of about 120,000 or about equal to Grade 5." I'm inclined to believe the Mc Master Carr catalog...does anyone know what these "good high-strength stainless steel bolts" are, I'd like to use them for some structural applications on the frame (brush bar, etc) to avoid corrosion but I certianly want to use a suitable fastener, not a possible projectile under winching conditions. Also, what would the fatigue duty cycle and shear strength be for stainless versus a grade 5? Thanks, Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 163 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 23 Feb 96 19:23:05 EST Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Re: Electric H2O heater: . >If you give me the specs, I will calculate/factor/figure exactly how much tea >you can make, and hands can be washed, to leave you with an hours worth of >radio in your battery while you wait for someone to find you and give you a >jump start. >JOhn. Geeeeeze....let him get one thing right and he becomes an expert already.....8*) aj"Already was one...."r ------------------------------[ <- Message 164 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:35:24 -0500 Subject: Trans Noise Part 2 --PART.BOUNDARY.0.8795.emout06.mail.aol.com.825125723 Content-ID: <0_8795_825125723@emout06.mail.aol.com.35193> Content-type: text/plain This is the second part. --PART.BOUNDARY.0.8795.emout06.mail.aol.com.825125723 Content-ID: <0_8795_825125723@emout06.mail.aol.com.35194> Content-type: text/plain; name="TRANS2.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tranfer case problems I've lived through Part 2 This brings me to the whining noise inquiry from Erik Van Dyck. When I = bought mine I knew the rear diff. was bad (obvious seal failure and yowli= ng on over run). I sourced a good used diff from RN. Noise abatted somewh= at but still there. Removed the transfer box cover. A mess of bronze gunk= and bad looseness. Removed overdrive, trans. brake (use 4WD low, get wif= e to stand on brakes to lock up drive while loosening nut on rear output = shaft) etc. Was lucky and idler shaft came out without any fuss. Rebuilt = all as Erik did, including new cage bearings and new idler shaft. Found g= ood used selector shaft and all need parts from friendlies at RN. Reassem= ble. Drive. Still noisy/juddery. ARRGH! Everything I did decreased the no= ise but some was still there. I drove it like this for a while. Check'd p= rop. shaft splines for wear. Hmm..not bad by MGB standards. But wait! Unl= ike most prop. shafts the SII 88" rear shaft is short and works at a very= steep angle. Any wear in the splines will be noticed and felt. A brand n= ew factory shaft ($$$) seemed to be the cure.(dont bother with rebuilders= it doesnt work!) There was still some whine but with the overdrive it w= as now acceptable. Peace at last. Hell, the LT95 in my Rangie whines som= e. Its part of the experience. Hope this helps good luck. --PART.BOUNDARY.0.8795.emout06.mail.aol.com.825125723-- ------------------------------[ <- Message 165 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:37:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Beamer Discos? smitha@candw.lc wrote: >Hi all - if my March LROI arrived today in this dot on the map then I assume >all of you in NA have it, so I'm surprised that no one has commented on the >rumour therein that the 97 Disco, to be built in the US and UK, will be badged >BMW. At least the ones with H***A badges stay in Japan. How awful! Dank sei >Gott they didn't mention the Defender! [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)] >300 Tdi 90 >St. Lucia ------------------------------[ <- Message 166 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:17:37 -0800 Subject: Re: Frog LW On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> wrote: >> On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Soren Vels Christensen wrote: > On TV it looked like Jacques Chirac uses a LWB Lightweight for parades. > I thought that France supplied themselves with ministry and gov'ment cars?? > and Walt Swain replied: > A LWB Lightweight? Maybe this is just a Frogmobile (as opposed to a >> Plushmobile) that looks like a vehicle that Land Rover never made? >Actually Santana made a LWB that looked very much like the >lightweight. Hard to tell teh difference at a glance. Knowing the French, I doubt very much that Chirac would ride around in a vehicle built by a 'roastbeef' (what the French call the English). Very likely its a Peugeot 4x4 or some derivative thereof. They do have somewhat of the same angular front of a lightweight...thoughts? Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 167 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:19:32 -0500 From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice) Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party John moans... >Thanks Dixon. I guess I won't see you this year, you going to owl's head the >following week? >John, D90, wedding: June 23rd, hopeful Roverish honeymoon...the following week. - WHAT! You mean you're going to get married instead of attending a Land Rover event! What *is* this world coming to.... Cheers Mike ------------------------------[ <- Message 168 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:19:33 -0500 From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice) Subject: Re: Mogul bashing >How does the man who drives the plow get to the plow....? >Eric - According to an old Volkswagen ad, he drove a VW Beetle.... :) Cheers Mike ------------------------------[ <- Message 169 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: David Scott Mary Ann <birddog@auburn.campus.mci.net> Subject: Zenith carb Base repair Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:21:24 -0600 Thanks everyone for the great info on the carb repair. I found a = servicable used base from Britpac, but am taking the old base and trying = the bronze bushing with a local machine shop. Will let you know on the = outcome. A new pickup was born this week, in concept only now, but = all the parts are outside. A early 11a 109 diesel pickup all stock = with snorkel, roll cage for cab and windshield, named FROGMAN. Will = send you all a picture on completion. Have a great day, birddog ------------------------------[ <- Message 170 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: CrankIt@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:36:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Unlocking the center diff. My experience with the light on my D-90 has been the same. Light stays on for a while after the shift has been made out of the locked position. I even think that I read in a manual that you should expect a delay. Anyway the diff was unlocked because I was on a hard surface and would have noticed if it didn't unlock. gene ------------------------------[ <- Message 171 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: CrankIt@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:48:53 -0500 Subject: Re: 1995 D90 Bullbar Wanted Yes, I've got a new (less than 2000 miles on my D-90) bullbar that I want to sell. It's a great looking bar I'm just replacing it with an ARB winch bumper to get the winching capability. Respond if you are interested or have any questions. Gene ------------------------------[ <- Message 172 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:49:11 -0500 From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com> Subject: Re: Winch for RR At 10:16 PM 2/22/96 UT, you wrote: >Anyone know of a discreet winch mount for a RR. Those familiar with LRO mag >may remember "SYD" Gary Pusey's RR. He has a Warn mounted up under a steering [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)] >Rgds >Mark Rovers North has a concealed winch mounting for the Range Rover. Mounts between the chassis horns with the cable coming from behind a flip up license plate holder. Jeff ------------------------------[ <- Message 173 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:05:42 -0500 From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com> Subject: Re: RR fuel tank recall At 10:08 PM 2/21/96 -0500, you wrote: >I had the fuel tank replaced Monday under LR's recall. I also had some >other things done (new O2 sensor). [ truncated by lro-digester (was 37 lines)] >Newport New hampshire >603-863-7883 Today I filled my new fuel tank and drove 12 miles to work. At lunchtime someone came in and reported my RR to be leaking gas! What do you know? Drip...drip...drip...nice puddle underneath too. Dripping from the front of the tank right in the center, dripping off the bolts holding the tank cradle. I think it is leaking from the fuel pump gasket, filling that little recess and running down to the front of the tank and dripping off. Any other thought? Home now, 30 miles since fueling and no drip and little smell. I had the tank replaced on our (USA) President's Day holiday. Think I can make the 2 hour to the dealer, have the tank removed to get at that gasket, replace the tank and get back to work on my lunch hour? Jeff Kessler 1988 Range Rover...drip...drip...drip...drip... Newport New Hampshire 603-863-7883 ------------------------------[ <- Message 174 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:28:35 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: Re: Reformulated gas Eric wrote: >I ran a few tanks of this through my V8...with no ill effects so far.... >are the expected problems only with the older engines or older seals? That's the point. We got reformulated gas last winter as an attempt to reduce winter-time air pollution, *but it never left*. And in conversations with the local gas station owner, it apparently is here to stay. This formulation (of methyl tetra butyl ether) is *very aggressive* on older rubber compounds. Curiously, the price of carb rebuild kits has suddenly trippled.... *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------[ <- Message 175 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:28:32 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: RE: My gearstick BROKE Jens Vesterdahl <jve@phaseone.dk> wrote: >In the parking lot at work this morning...the gearstick snapped and I had >it in my hand... Been there, done that. 'cept it was on a deserted road in a -35F blizzard in Vermont. Check out the metal in the cross-section of the shaft. I'll bet you'll find striations of abnormal 'crystal' alignment (for lack of a better term) in the metal. I welded mine back, only to have it break two *summers* later. Cheers *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------[ <- Message 176 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:28:26 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: Bowie British Car Day Okay, for those who haven't heard of the *original* British car day, it's Sunday, June 23 at Allen Pond Park in the city of Bowie, MD. (The site is about two miles from the intersection of US Rts. 50 & 301 if you are looking for it on the map. And yes, it is the same weekend as the OVLR Silver Lake bash, as I've just learned.) This is a *big* show with well over a thousand vehicles from Rollers to Rovers. The Rovers get position #1. It's closest to the beer tent and has a pretty lakeside location. The auto jumble is one of the best on the east coast...more and more Rover parts are appearing each year. Registration forms usually don't get mailed out to last year's participants until late May. Last year, we had 25 or so Rovers and were given recognition as the class that had grown the most over the years. I'll post the address of the organizers next week...it's on my desk at work. And for those who tried Smugglers' Notch...was that the Stowe side or the Smugglers' side? Cheers *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------[ <- Message 177 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:25:36 -0500 From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com> Subject: Re: Mercedes Question, D110 owner?, MA, USA At 09:45 AM 2/23/96 -0500, you wrote: >Also, is the owner of the White D110 in this area on the net? If I recall correctly, the 500 1993 D110 came in any color you wanted as long as it was white. Jeff Kessler 1998 Range Rover (RTC5730T or RTC5730A for the handy paragraph size spray can) Newport New Hampshire 603-863-7883 ------------------------------[ <- Message 178 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:55:02 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM> Subject: Re: [Wet?] LR for sale > 1967 SIIa 109 ambulance ex army, rebuilt trans new clutch in last 1000 . > I am located about 35mi east of Washington DC That would put him in the Atlantic somewhere, right? Unless he's in, say, VT...which is 35 miles east of DC (oh and a bit north too...) Duncan ------------------------------[ <- Message 179 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:01:49 -0800 From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Franklin H. Yap ) Subject: Dream Machine Tonight's MotorWeek (Bay Area PBS Ch60) named the RR 4.6HSE as one of its Dream Machine. ------------------------------[ <- Message 180 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:38:49 -0500 From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net> Subject: Re: Discovery diagnostic readout codes! This is verbatim from the RR or Disco shop manual. It is just lacking the pictures (i.e. where the serial mating connector is? A.under passenger seat - 5 wire plug with a cap). I turned my display unit around so that I could read it from behind the passenger seat (fully raised). This is before I got my check engine light problem fixed. -- ============================================================= Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net" 92 Range Rover (No ABS/Sway Bars/Air Bags/Check engine Light) Graduate Student, MBA Program, Old Dominion University Norfolk, VA, USA (804) 440-5383 ============================================================= ------------------------------[ <- Message 181 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:45:22 -0500 From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net> Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels Try Canton-Mecca @ (203) 484-4900. $125 for the turbo oiler. Catalogue costs $3. They make racing oiling accesories (stock car, formula 1, etc.) -- ============================================================= Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net" 92 Range Rover (No ABS/Sway Bars/Air Bags/Check Engine Light) ============================================================= ------------------------------[ <- Message 182 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960224 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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