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1 "barnett childress" [bar34Driving the 109 or ouch that coffee's hottt!
2 Gerald Tan [gtan@bbchw.d27Re: Disco Auto Transmission
3 Owner-LRO-Digest.Land-Ro130 The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
4 benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/10Bowie British Car Show
5 "barnett childress" [bar9RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long)
6 EvanD103@aol.com 16Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
7 "barnett childress" [bar21RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries.
8 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE23Re: "Truth" in advertising
9 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE25Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels
10 benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/6Re: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long)
11 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE54Re: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries.
12 Rahul [com1@ix.netcom.co6Re: Unsubscribe
13 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co21Re: 50th Tour of RSA
14 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co10Re: Bowie British Car Show
15 William Owen [IB011CA@sm7 Re: FYI: Trip to RN Winter Off-road Driving School (long)
16 rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Le106Recall info
17 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob27Re[2]: Bowie British Car Show
18 PurnellJE@aol.com 41Re: Arctic LR Disco Survial...synthetic changeover= DO IT
19 PurnellJE@aol.com 16Re: Range Rover's for sale
20 PurnellJE@aol.com 139Re: RN Winter Off-road Driving School "Repost"
21 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em11Re: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long)
22 JDolan2109@aol.com 26Fwd; From another list...
23 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D10Whers the digest gone?
24 debrown@srp.gov 33DRIVING THE 109
25 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob26Re: DRIVING THE 109
26 Jeff Gauvin [jeffg@miner14At the risk of being repetitive...
27 LTC Larry Smith [smithla24 Re: DRIVING THE 109
28 gmoore@comox.island.net 15Re: coffee cups
29 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob16Re[2]: coffee cups
30 jve@phaseone.dk 17My gearstick BROKE !!!
31 "barnett childress" [bar31re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
32 mumcar@ix.netcom.com (Wi28Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift
33 Alan Richer [Alan_Richer60re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
34 John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv15Re: Thanks to lro----Range Rover question
35 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em33re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
36 "barnett childress" [bar15re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
37 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em11OVLR Birthday Party
38 Gerald Tan [gtan@bbchw.d23Re: Re: Unlocking the central diff-lock
39 "barnett childress" [bar10re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
40 Dennis Seiler [PA7508@UT6 Re: OVLR Birthday Party
41 Tebbin Salvesen [tsalves16re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
42 Gus Macintosh [John.A.Ma10subscribe
43 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em28Re: OVLR Birthday Party
44 "Robert Watson (CNA)" [a34RE: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries.
45 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob45Re[2]: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
46 ericz@cloud9.net 19re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
47 ericz@cloud9.net 11LRNA Sales.
48 ericz@cloud9.net 12Re: OVLR Birthday Party
49 "Robert Watson (CNA)" [a36RE: Re[2]: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
50 ChrisF6724@aol.com 57Outback trip..(not really rover related)
51 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em22Re: OVLR Birthday Party
52 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co55Re: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
53 "William L. Leacock" [7528Free wheel hubs
54 sim1@cornell.edu (Steve 91Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels
55 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove13Winch for RR
56 ASFCO@aol.com 15Remote Starter for sale
57 "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa26Re: Winch for RR
58 ericz@cloud9.net 20Re: OVLR Birthday Party
59 SLYKDYK@aol.com 13Mogul bashing
60 jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (16D90 Commuting
61 PurnellJE@aol.com 68Alternator goes...then what?
62 David Olley at New Conce30Re: Brinelling
63 David Olley at New Conce26Re: Alternator goes...then what?
64 "Robert Watson (CNA)" [a11FW: D90 Alternators...and battery capacity
65 uf974@freenet.victoria.b22Galvanic corrosion
66 uf974@freenet.victoria.b16Series Lightweight Questions
67 Paul.Smail@Washcoll.EDU 18Diesels and Imports
68 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob28Re: Galvanic corrosion
69 XINCLXLRO@learnlink.emor15Re: Alternator goes...then what?
70 SACME@aol.com 73TeriAnn's List of Spares & Ian's request for copy
71 SACME@aol.com 38Brake system maintenance
72 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 16Zenith Carbs
73 gmoore@comox.island.net 8Re: Galvanic corrosion
74 Pat Hubbard [patito@mail18Disco Auto Transmission
75 "Robert Watson (CNA)" [a25RE: Disco Auto Transmission
76 Michael & Krista Kirk [m14Re: Galvanic corrosion
77 JDSalerno@aol.com 9Service manual
78 PurnellJE@aol.com 37Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
79 PurnellJE@aol.com 18Re: DRIVING THE 109
80 PurnellJE@aol.com 13Re: Unlocking the central diff-lock
81 PurnellJE@aol.com 12Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
82 PurnellJE@aol.com 32Re: D90 Alternators and Warrantee work/ time on the bat. only...
83 Tebbin Salvesen [tsalves14jump on this one!
84 PurnellJE@aol.com 19Re: OVLR Birthday Party
85 bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian23Series Brake Shoes
86 ericz@cloud9.net 17Re: Galvanic corrosion
87 ericz@cloud9.net 12Re: Mogul bashing
88 ericz@cloud9.net 13Re: jump on this one!
89 CrankIt@aol.com 12Re: Mile Marker hydro winches
90 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em12Re: OVLR Birthday Party
91 CrankIt@aol.com 10Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift
92 ericz@cloud9.net 16Re: Brake system maintenance
93 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em15Re: OVLR Birthday Party
94 bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian18Swivel Housing Removal
95 bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian164-wheel high?
96 wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy 22Re: Arctic LR Disco Survial
97 Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-m22Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
98 hugh.davies@rnb.com (Hug26Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
99 hugh.davies@rnb.com (Hug21Galvanic corrosion
100 David Olley at New Conce20Re: Leaky master cilinder
101 monk@math.udel.edu 19Unlocking the center diff.
102 David Olley at New Conce18Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
103 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE23re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
104 rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A21Mercedes Question, D110 owner?, MA, USA
105 crash@merl.com 171Discovery diagnostic readout codes!
106 "Matthew Loxton" [mloxto20cup holders etc
107 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE31Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels
108 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE20Re: OVLR Birthday Party
109 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE20Re: Alternator goes...then what?
110 crash@merl.com 25Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
111 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE22Re: Series Lightweight Questions
112 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co27Re: jump on this one!
113 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co22Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift
114 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co28Re: Swivel Housing Removal
115 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co14Re: 50th Tour of RSA
116 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A22Re: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
117 jeff@purpleshark.com (Je32re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
118 PurnellJE@aol.com 18Re: Series Lightweight Questions
119 73363.427@compuserve.com26Discovery diagnostic readout codes!
120 "barnett childress" [bar14re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
121 hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.co25Bowie, MD vs *Bodie*, CA
122 Gene Sparks [galleryg@te18New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet
123 "Andrew A. Dallas" [adal17[not specified]
124 ccray@showme.missouri.ed19Re: Alternator goes...then what?
125 Slade@sisna.com (Michael27Re: Swivel Housing Removal
126 hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.co41Re: 109s/Coffee/Macho, etc.
127 "Steve Methley" [sgm@hpl14Re: Series Lightweight Questions
128 Chuck Huston [huston@com31SF Bay Area - Discovery Advice
129 rlarson@lsil.com (Rick L28D90 Tow hooks and Batteries
130 matts@cacilj.caciasl.com7RR fuel tank recall
131 M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mik12Re: OVLR Birthday Party
132 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE21Re: Driving the 109 or ouch that coffee's hottt!
133 wheelman@pipeline.com (L41[not specified]
134 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob25Re: Leaky master cilinder
135 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob27Re[2]: Galvanic corrosion
136 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob31Re: Driving the 109 or ouch that coffee's hottt!
137 PETER ESTIBEIRO - CGR [P24 Stripping swivels
138 "Soren Vels Christensen"11Frog LW
139 "Soren Vels Christensen"28Re: DRIVING THE 109
140 Shaun Carrigan [shaunc@i11Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
141 Shaun Carrigan [shaunc@i23Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
142 PurnellJE@aol.com 17Re: OVLR Birthday Party
143 PurnellJE@aol.com 20Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
144 PurnellJE@aol.com 16Re: Alternator goes...then what?
145 PurnellJE@aol.com 16Re: Driving the 109 or ouch that coffee's hottt!
146 lopezba@atnet.at 60Re: Twisted attachments
147 lopezba@atnet.at 25Re: FWH stickers
148 lopezba@atnet.at 52Re: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
149 "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa19Re: Frog LW
150 "Robert Watson (CNA)" [a44RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
151 Chuck Huston [huston%com31SF Bay Area - Discovery Advice
152 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob17Peter Hirsch E-mail me
153 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE32Re: Frog LW
154 kirkwood@strider.fm.inte56Re: SF Bay Area - Discovery Advice
155 "Tom Rowe" [trowe@AE.AGE30LR for sale
156 William Owen [IB011CA@sm20 Mercedes Question-Reply G-wagen info
157 SACME@aol.com 31Re: Arctic LR Disco Survival, etc.
158 smitha@mail.CandW.lc 18Re: Frog LR
159 David Olley at New Conce21Re: OVLR Birthday Party
160 David Olley at New Conce28Re: Mercedes Question, D110 owner?, MA, USA
161 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 41Transfer Case Noise Part 1
162 ericz@cloud9.net 32Re: Re[2]: Galvanic corrosion
163 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A17Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
164 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 39Trans Noise Part 2
165 smitha@mail.CandW.lc 16Re: Beamer Discos?
166 ericz@cloud9.net 24Re: Frog LW
167 landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi19Re: OVLR Birthday Party
168 landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi13Re: Mogul bashing
169 David Scott Mary Ann [bi13Zenith carb Base repair
170 CrankIt@aol.com 13Re: Unlocking the center diff.
171 CrankIt@aol.com 12Re: 1995 D90 Bullbar Wanted
172 Jeff & Laura Kessler [lm17Re: Winch for RR
173 Jeff & Laura Kessler [lm31Re: RR fuel tank recall
174 rover@pinn.net (Alexande22Re: Reformulated gas
175 rover@pinn.net (Alexande22RE: My gearstick BROKE
176 rover@pinn.net (Alexande31Bowie British Car Day
177 Jeff & Laura Kessler [lm16Re: Mercedes Question, D110 owner?, MA, USA
178 Duncan Brown [DB@CHO004.15Re: [Wet?] LR for sale
179 fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Fra7Dream Machine
180 Michael & Krista Kirk [m20Re: Discovery diagnostic readout codes!
181 Michael & Krista Kirk [m13Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels


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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 7:26:17 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Driving the 109 or ouch that coffee's hottt!

My humble apologies to all;

I had no idea that coffee, or tea (Terriann) was such an important part of 
Rovership! Coffee after drinking beer. Coffee with scotch, coffee (one of 
the four major Rover food groups), Etc.

I have been doing it all wrong, getting up a little early and drinking my 
coffee before I leave for work, and taking Advil after drinking!

I got an official LR GOJO travel coffee mug as a gift from LR Metro West 
last weekend at the Rovers North driving event, and it fits quite smartly 
in my factory Defender twin beverage holders! (and doesn't interfere with 
the center diff lock). 

Okay lets see...real coffee or tea, good! Cellular phone, (can be used in 
emergencys) good. ARB air locker's, tolerable (hot towels). 
Radio/cassette/CD, tolerable.

Expresso, flavored coffee, Grey Pupon BAD!!!!!

Hope to see some of you at the Downeast rally in Maine!

Cheers,
Barnett

Childress
95 D90 (not a "plushie" just some of the same "civilized options").

  

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:58:32 GMT
From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Disco Auto Transmission

I think you could be referring to the "lock-up" of the torque converter, that 
takes place around 50 mph.

The auto box as programmed will change up pretty quickly, it will be in 4th by 
the time you're at 35 mph, and then the torque converter will lock up solid to 
prevent fluid losses at around 50-52 mph.

For your own satisfaction, you can try the following test. Start off in 1, 
accelerate, move the stick to 2, accelerate, move the stick to 3, accelerate, 
and at about 40 mph, move the stick to D. You will find that you have changed up 
to 4th gear, and when you reach 50-52 mph, the rev counter will drop, and you 
will feel a slight jerk, and that's the sign that the torque converter has 
locked-up.

Hope this helps.
Gerald

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	  Contents:
    1 benedick@emh1.pa.n Thu Feb 22 04:32   24/962   Bowie British Car Show
    2 barnett=childress% Thu Feb 22 04:51  153/9076  RN Winter Driving School/
    3 EvanD103@aol.com   Thu Feb 22 05:15   24/1041  Re: The Land Rover Owner 
    4 barnett=childress% Thu Feb 22 05:56   30/1277  RN TRIP.../D90 alternator
    5 trowe@AE.AGECON.WI Thu Feb 22 06:01   43/1496  Re: "Truth" in advertisin
    6 trowe@AE.AGECON.WI Thu Feb 22 06:05   44/1479  Re: care & feeding of tur
    7 benedick@emh1.pa.n Thu Feb 22 06:17   19/830   Re: RN Winter Driving Sch
    8 trowe@AE.AGECON.WI Thu Feb 22 06:30   75/3248  Re: RN TRIP.../D90 altern
    9 com1@ix.netcom.com Thu Feb 22 06:34   21/793   Re: Unsubscribe
   10 TWakeman/Apple@ewo Thu Feb 22 06:46   28/997   Re: 50th Tour of RSA
   11 TWakeman/Apple@ewo Thu Feb 22 06:49   17/726   Re: Bowie British Car Sho
   12 IB011CA@smtpaoc.ts Thu Feb 22 07:11   20/817   Re: FYI: Trip to RN Winte
   13 rdl@NomuraNY.COM   Thu Feb 22 07:23  120/5437  Recall info
   14 dbobeck@INETGATE.u Thu Feb 22 07:25   42/1844  Re[2]: Bowie British Car 
   15 PurnellJE@aol.com  Thu Feb 22 07:28   48/2463  Re: Arctic LR Disco Survi
   16 PurnellJE@aol.com  Thu Feb 22 07:28   24/914   Re: Range Rover's for sal
   17 PurnellJE@aol.com  Thu Feb 22 07:29  149/7921  Re: RN Winter Off-road Dr
   18 dkenner@emr.ca     Thu Feb 22 07:56   26/837   Re: RN Winter Driving Sch
   19 JDolan2109@aol.com Thu Feb 22 08:00   35/1202  Fwd; From another list...
   20 TEASTON@DQC2.DOFAS Thu Feb 22 08:23   30/1395  Whers the digest gone?
   21 debrown@srp.gov    Thu Feb 22 08:30   45/2045  DRIVING THE 109
   22 dbobeck@INETGATE.u Thu Feb 22 08:56   38/1715  Re: DRIVING THE 109
   23 jeffg@minerva.ncrm Thu Feb 22 09:04   28/1331  At the risk of being repe
   24 smithla@arngrc-emh Thu Feb 22 09:43   31/988   Re:  DRIVING THE 109
   25 gmoore@comox.islan Thu Feb 22 10:06   22/1049  Re:  coffee cups
   26 dbobeck@INETGATE.u Thu Feb 22 10:20   33/1110  Re[2]: coffee cups
   27 jve@phaseone.dk    Thu Feb 22 10:24   31/1200  My gearstick BROKE !!!
   28 barnett=childress% Thu Feb 22 10:51   40/1749  re::DRIVING THE 109, or o
   29 mumcar@ix.netcom.c Thu Feb 22 10:51   42/1461  Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift
   30 Alan_Richer.LOTUS@ Thu Feb 22 11:26   77/3184  re::DRIVING THE 109, or o
   31 brabyn@skivs.ski.o Thu Feb 22 11:52   29/1152  Re: Thanks to lro----Rang
   32 dkenner@emr.ca     Thu Feb 22 11:53   47/1746  re::DRIVING THE 109, or o
   33 barnett=childress% Thu Feb 22 11:56   24/962   re::DRIVING THE 109, or o
   34 dkenner@emr.ca     Thu Feb 22 12:04   26/842   OVLR Birthday Party
   35 gtan@bbchw.demon.c Thu Feb 22 12:11   42/1620  Re: Re: Unlocking the cen
   36 barnett=childress% Thu Feb 22 12:12   19/772   re::DRIVING THE 109, or o
   37 @uga.cc.uga.edu:PA Thu Feb 22 12:14   19/854   Re: OVLR Birthday Party
   38 tsalves@slcpl.slcp Thu Feb 22 12:18   57/2235  re::DRIVING THE 109, or o
   39 John.A.Macintosh@j Thu Feb 22 12:20   25/886   subscribe
   40 dkenner@emr.ca     Thu Feb 22 12:23   45/1585  Re: OVLR Birthday Party
   41 a-robw@MICROSOFT.c Thu Feb 22 12:26   46/2198  RE: RN TRIP.../D90 altern
   42 dbobeck@INETGATE.u Thu Feb 22 12:30   59/2648  Re[2]: DRIVING THE 109, o
   43 ericz@cloud9.net   Thu Feb 22 13:09   35/1338  re::DRIVING THE 109, or o
   44 ericz@cloud9.net   Thu Feb 22 13:10   23/842   LRNA Sales.
   45 ericz@cloud9.net   Thu Feb 22 13:10   32/1055  Re: OVLR Birthday Party
   46 a-robw@MICROSOFT.c Thu Feb 22 13:12   49/2265  RE: Re[2]: DRIVING THE 10
   47 ChrisF6724@aol.com Thu Feb 22 13:21   64/3154  Outback trip..(not really
   48 dkenner@emr.ca     Thu Feb 22 13:26   35/1332  Re: OVLR Birthday Party
   49 TWakeman/Apple@ewo Thu Feb 22 13:31   69/3007  Re: re::DRIVING THE 109, 
   50 75473.3572@compuse Thu Feb 22 13:55   39/1982  Free wheel hubs
   51 sim1@cornell.edu   Thu Feb 22 14:17  107/4974  Re: care & feeding of tur
   52 Land_Rover@msn.com Thu Feb 22 14:17   21/793   Winch for RR
   53 ASFCO@aol.com      Thu Feb 22 14:22   22/745   Remote Starter for sale
   54 wcswain@wheel.dcn. Thu Feb 22 14:34   39/1918  Re: Winch for RR
   55 ericz@cloud9.net   Thu Feb 22 14:57   37/1298  Re: OVLR Birthday Party
   56 SLYKDYK@aol.com    Thu Feb 22 15:27   20/1006  Mogul bashing
   57 jjbpears@ix.netcom Thu Feb 22 15:50   26/1022  D90 Commuting
   58 PurnellJE@aol.com  Thu Feb 22 15:57   77/3539  Alternator goes...then wh
   59 newconcept@tcp.co. Thu Feb 22 16:03   43/1908  Re: Brinelling
   60 newconcept@tcp.co. Thu Feb 22 16:18   41/1678  Re: Alternator goes...the
   61 a-robw@MICROSOFT.c Thu Feb 22 16:25   39/1924  FW: D90 Alternators...and
   62 uf974@freenet.vict Thu Feb 22 16:31   33/1190  Galvanic corrosion
   63 uf974@freenet.vict Thu Feb 22 16:53   27/1011  Series Lightweight Questi
   64 Paul.Smail@Washcol Thu Feb 22 17:45   27/971   Diesels and Imports
   65 dbobeck@INETGATE.u Thu Feb 22 17:49   45/2056  Re: Galvanic corrosion
   66 Jules@learnlink.em Thu Feb 22 18:10   31/1417  Re: Alternator goes...the
   67 SACME@aol.com      Thu Feb 22 18:14   81/2693  TeriAnn's List of Spares 
   68 SACME@aol.com      Thu Feb 22 18:14   45/2246  Brake system maintenance
   69 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com Thu Feb 22 18:33   23/1242  Zenith Carbs
   70 gmoore@comox.islan Thu Feb 22 18:36   20/702   Re: Galvanic corrosion
   71 patito@mail.unicom Thu Feb 22 19:00   30/1237  Disco Auto Transmission
   72 a-robw@MICROSOFT.c Thu Feb 22 19:11   38/1738  RE: Disco Auto Transmissi
   73 michaelk@infi.net  Thu Feb 22 20:05   30/1215  Re: Galvanic corrosion
   74 JDSalerno@aol.com  Thu Feb 22 20:39   16/741   Service manual
   75 PurnellJE@aol.com  Thu Feb 22 21:16   48/1761  Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or 
   76 PurnellJE@aol.com  Thu Feb 22 21:16   27/1003  Re: DRIVING THE 109
   77 PurnellJE@aol.com  Thu Feb 22 21:16   20/789   Re: Unlocking the central
   78 PurnellJE@aol.com  Thu Feb 22 21:16   20/807   Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or 
   79 PurnellJE@aol.com  Thu Feb 22 21:16   40/1847  Re: D90 Alternators and W
   80 tsalves@slcpl.slcp Thu Feb 22 21:16   27/1010  jump on this one!
   81 PurnellJE@aol.com  Thu Feb 22 21:16   27/980   Re: OVLR Birthday Party
   82 bcotton@lia.co.za  Thu Feb 22 21:31   37/1587  Series Brake Shoes
   83 ericz@cloud9.net   Thu Feb 22 21:35   32/1222  Re: Galvanic corrosion
   84 ericz@cloud9.net   Thu Feb 22 21:35   26/874   Re: Mogul bashing
   85 ericz@cloud9.net   Thu Feb 22 21:38   29/951   Re: jump on this one!
   86 CrankIt@aol.com    Thu Feb 22 21:49   19/854   Re: Mile Marker hydro win
   87 dkenner@emr.ca     Thu Feb 22 21:49   28/993   Re: OVLR Birthday Party
   88 CrankIt@aol.com    Thu Feb 22 21:52   17/646   Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift
   89 ericz@cloud9.net   Thu Feb 22 21:53   31/1206  Re: Brake system maintena
   90 dkenner@emr.ca     Thu Feb 22 22:02   30/1053  Re: OVLR Birthday Party
   91 bcotton@lia.co.za  Thu Feb 22 22:06   34/1255  Swivel Housing Removal
   92 bcotton@lia.co.za  Thu Feb 22 22:21   29/1216  4-wheel high?
   93 wassili@AMC.UVA.NL Thu Feb 22 23:25   43/1585  Re: Arctic LR Disco Survi
   94 Franz.Parzefall@lr Thu Feb 22 23:28   42/1826  Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or 
   95 igor@tinet.ch      Thu Feb 22 23:51   49/1945  Re: Service manual
   96 Marc.Rengers@miner Fri Feb 23 00:00   22/838   test mail
   97 smitha@mail.CandW. Fri Feb 23 00:10   49/1557  Re: Galvanic corrosion
   98 fhyap@ix.netcom.co Fri Feb 23 00:52   76/3932  Why Rovers cost so much .
   99 pdandrew@iafrica.c Fri Feb 23 01:01   55/2025  Re: 50th Tour of RSA
  100 igor@tinet.ch      Fri Feb 23 01:30   50/1951  Re: Service manual
  101 smitha@mail.CandW. Fri Feb 23 01:39   34/1228  Re: Service manual
  102 philippe.carchon@r Fri Feb 23 01:53   32/1354  Travelling through Europe
  103 mloxton@msn.com    Fri Feb 23 02:16   20/673   NaOH + Al = blech!
  104 philippe.carchon@r Fri Feb 23 02:14   34/1540  Leaky master cilinder
  105 mloxton@msn.com    Fri Feb 23 02:16   30/1562  ...attempt at humour, no

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:40:08 -0500
From: benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/Kris Benedict)
Subject: Bowie British Car Show

Sandy:

>"same place, same time, same organizers." as last year.  

For thoses who haven't experienced this, do you care to give the details?!?

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 7:52:16 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long)

The size of the Message Text is  6105(> 6K), So it is kept in the First
Attachment

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From: EvanD103@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:16:41 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

I posted a query to the Digest 2/20 regarding transfer box noises.  Mike and
Rob were kind enough to Email me directly, but for some reason I have not
recieved the Digest for Feb 21 nor Feb 22.  If someone posted a response to
me those dates I thank you, but have not been able to read it.  A direct
E-mail would be welcome.  I'll recheck later in the day to see if I've
recieved the digest before I panic.
Sincerely,
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia
'73 Ser III 88"

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 8:56:17 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries.

Sorry to all for the multiple postings on the trip. I have been getting 
mail from folks complaining that the message was scrambled so I thought no 
one got it.

I'm done, really!

P.S. After reading the posts on D90 alternators.

What size and brand alternator does anyone suggest for winching, lights, 
Etc.? How do you go about installing dual Optima batteries? Are they wired 
in parallel? I have heard that an isolator is good from some folks and bad 
from others, any comments? Should you have an emergency cut off switch for 
the winch? I would like to upgrade my system but I need some advice.

Cheers,
Barnett

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:03:45 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: "Truth" in advertising

Sandy Grice writes:
snip
> In other news, the Bowie British Car Show, probably the biggest (after 
> Hershey) and oldest on the East Coast is back on.  The organizers were 
snip
I went to the Bowie, Maryland show some years back, either late '70's or early 
'80's, I can't remember, and there were qiute a few LR's there, 
probabaly around 10. Hope that nuber has gone up.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:08:29 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels

Matthew Loxton asks:
snip
> this comes with the 2.5L VM Turbo Diesel. I would like to hear from anyone
who 
> can give me some hints on the care and feeding of a TD. Whats all the buzz 
snip

I posted a piece on the care and feeding of turbos last year. Does 
anyone still have that (I tend to not save my drivel)? If not, I guess I can
redo it.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:26:06 -0500
From: benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/Kris Benedict)
Subject: Re: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long)

The third times a Charm!!  Try Again!!

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:32:59 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries.

> What size and brand alternator does anyone suggest for winching, lights, 
 Etc.? How do you go about installing dual Optima batteries? Are they wired 
 in parallel? I have heard that an isolator is good from some folks and bad 
 from others, any comments? Should you have an emergency cut off switch for 
> the winch? I would like to upgrade my system but I need some advice.
-
I'd go with the most common in your country. In the US I went with a 
Delco 108amp, although a number of people on the list use Delco's of a 
lower rating with success. I just believe in overkill when it doesn't 
cost much more. That's why I also went with 1/0 welding cable for the 
hot and ground, and while I was at it rewired my starter with 1/0. 
>From the alternator to the battery I ran ,hmmm, #2 ithink, maybe #4, 
welding cable. I used welding cable because it has more strands and 
so is easier to route.

Unless the winch mfgs. have become elightened since I bought my Warn, 
throw out the cables that come with it, *especially* the ground 
cable. They're way too small.

Don't know about Optima batteries in the Defender. A D owner can 
probably help you. An isololator would be a good idea if you're the 
careless type who would completely drain your battery with the winch. 
Or if you wanted an extra margin of leeway. An emergency cut off is a 
good idea. Solenoids have been known to stick. You wouldn't find it 
pleasureable if they stuck at the same time you were caught in the 
cable. (no jokes Dixon or David) Mount it wher you can get to it from 
the near the winch.

See Alan Richer's post on converting to a Delco if that's the route 
you go. It's for series vehicles, but has things that might apply to 
Defenders.

As an aside for you Series owners. If you do much electrical work 
(and what LR owner doesn't) I highly recommend getting a copy of the 
*old* Haynes electrical book (published in the '70's-early '80's, now 
out of print). 
It's the only one I could find that had a reasonable description and 
schematic of a US spec '67 diesel charging system. Besides it's other 
useful Lucas info.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:33:11 -0800
From: Rahul <com1@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe

How do I unsubscribe these messages ?

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:46:57 -0800
Subject: Re: 50th Tour of RSA

Bruce.

The tour of South Africa sounds interesting.  If one were thinking of
shipping their 109 there for the duration of the trip, are therer any South
African regulations I should be aware of governing the temporary import of an
older Land Rover?

I have a six week sabatical coming up that I could postphone a year and add
vacation time to.

Just wondering

TeriAnn

People keep asking me if the car has seen Africa

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:50:36 -0800
Subject: Re: Bowie British Car Show

Is this the Bowie that is the ghost town on the Eastern side of the Seria
Navada mountain range?  If it is, I would like to hear more

TeriAnn

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:51:24 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  Re: FYI: Trip to RN Winter Off-road Driving School (long) 

I got both copies of the great report just fine.  Sounds fantastic.  Only
trouble now is how to talk my wife into a Vermont vacation.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:23:38 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Recall info

 The DOT maintains a list of recalls that you can get to on the Web.

 http://www.dot.gov/affairs/recalls.htm

 If you have a Web browser, you should check it for recalls on ANY vehicle
 you own. Anyway, for people out there who don't have Web access, I 
 pulled out all the current recall info I could find on LRs. 

 Rob
 94 D90
===========================================================================
 
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Models:          Range Rover       Years: 1987 - 1991
Manufactured Dates:      May 1987-September 1990
Number of Vehicles:      15,378
Recall No.               95V155000
System:  Fuel tank assembly.
Vehicle Description:  Multi-purpose passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect:  The bottom of the fuel tank can corrode
over time and allow fuel to leak.
Consequence of Defect:  A fuel leak can occur and increase the
potential for a vehicle fire.  Corrective Action:  Dealers will
inspect the fuel tank and replace the tank if needed.
Note:  Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on
an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy
within a reasonable time, should contact Range Rover at
1-301-731-9040.
 
===========================================================================
 
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Model:           Range Rover       Year: 1995
Manufactured Dates:      June 1994-July 1995
Number of Vehicles:      3,147
Recall No.               95V157000
System:  Engine pulley.
Vehicle Description:  Multi-purpose 4.0SE passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect:  The idler pulley, part of the engine
front end serpentine belt system, can fail resulting in
serpentine belt damage or disengagement.
Consequence of Defect:  Disengagement of the pulley on the
roadway can cause harm to pedestrians and other vehicles.  Also,
failure of the belt causes a loss of power steering assist which
can increase the potential for an accident.
Corrective Action:  Dealers will replace the idler pulley with a
newly designed idler pulley.
Note:  While power steering assist will be lost if the belt
fails, manual steering control remains.  Note:  Owners who take
their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service
date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time,
should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
 
===========================================================================
 
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Model:              Range Rover Range Rover       Year: 1995
Manufactured Dates: June 1994-April 1995
Number of Vehicles: 2,114
Recall Number:      95V123000
System: Hydraulic brake hose.
Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect: A flexible brake hose that connects the hydraulic
pump to the anti-lock brake system (ABS) valve block assembly can leak and
cause loss of brake fluid.
Consequence of Defect: Loss of brake fluid can make the primary brake
circuit inoperable, including the rear brakes, and loss of ABS operation
with a consequent reduction in braking performance and possible increased
braking distances.  Also, brake fluid leakage in the engine compartment
could cause a fire if there is a source of ignition.
Corrective Action: Dealers will inspect the vehicles to determine which
ones are fitted with the suspect hose and then replace suspect hoses with
the latest design.
Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed
upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable
time should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
 
===========================================================================
 
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Model(s):           Range Rover County Classic  Year(s): 1995
                    Range Rover Defender        Year(s): 1995
                    Range Rover Discovery       Year(s): 1995
Manufactured Dates: December 1994-January 1995
No. of Vehicle(s):       155
Recall No.:              95V099000
System: Axle assembly.
Vehicle Description: Multipurpose vehicles.
Description of Defect: At port of entry, a quality overcheck of the
differential pinion shaft torque was performed.  This check required the
removal of the driveshafts.  When the driveshafts were reinstalled, the
wrong sized nuts were used.
Consequence of Defect: The nuts can loosen, ultimately causing one or
both driveshafts to disconnect, resulting in loss of control of the
vehicle.
Corrective Action: Dealers will replace the hardware on the involved
vehicles with hardware of the appropriate specifications.
Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an
agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a
reasonable time should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
 

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:30:09 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Bowie British Car Show

Is this the Bowie that is the ghost town on the Eastern side of the Seria
Navada mountain range?  If it is, I would like to hear more

TeriAnn

Hey, I know the answer to that one! ( no.)

The town you are referring to is called Bodie. Real interesting place, out in 
the middle of nowhere. I was there in September '94. If you haven't ever been, I
highly recommend checking it out. Sort of contrived but definitely real, lots of
interesting history stuff.  The terrain in that area is perfect for 4 wheeling, 
especially around Mono lake. I was staying in Mammoth Lakes at a friends cabin, 
and there's little dirt roads that go everywhere, and they're all accesible and 
legal since they're in the National "Forest". Of course you probably know all 
this don't you. BTW, Chevy Cavaliers don't do very well on steep sandy 
trails.:-0

The British Car Day is in Bowie Maryland, just a short drive east of DC. Lots of
neat stuff there.

Ciao.
Dave & Green Car

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Arctic LR Disco Survial...synthetic changeover= DO IT

In a message dated 96-02-21 22:50:51 EST, you write:

>Will all of the factory lubes perform ok, IE: engine, diff and
>> manual trany lube.

Melvin, 
If you are seriously going to install all the extra heater, block, battery,
etc..., I think it is highly judicious of you to also change all the lubes to
synthetic.  If you are really going to see  -40F temperatures, the synthetics
will be worth their weight in Range Rover ignition modules.  

At -25F a few weeks ago, I needed to start my D90, though no block heaters,
even with the synthetic oil (10W30) my lifters rattled for a bit, I can't
imagine how long they would've with dino oil.  But the engine heater will
solve this for you, the other major point is the diffs.  Fine, I got the
truck started, but it literally wouldn't move.  I REALLY had to slide the
clutch and rev the engine to get enough torque to turn that 90WT.  It was
like I was in a Tough Truck Competition with a F150 tied to my rear.  Only a
heated garage is gonna solve that one for you.  And to think that I had to
push the truck  this hard  with everything super cold, I didn't like it at
all.  That is not the way I like to treat equipment.

After installing the synthetic diff/transfer case lube, I was amazed at how
easy the truck rolls.  Granted I haven't experienced -25F again (Please, no
more...NO MORE.....)  but it has gotten down to +15F, and still, the truck
just rolled like it was a sunny day in Los Angeles (oh, sun, warmth, easy
starting, top off, bikin.....).

IMHO:  Change ALL the fluids to synthetic, it will be money VERY well spent.
 Barnett Childress even noticed a complete vehicle attitude change after he
did it, his truck was smoother and quieter.  I agree with the smoother bit, I
don't think it is *Completely* in my head (I just spent $6 a quart, it better
be better...).

John, 94 D90, Afflicted with Wisconsinitis 

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Range Rover's for sale

In a message dated 96-02-21 23:12:21 EST, you write:

>Look what I found on the internet a http://www.traderonline.com/....I 
>splurged and bought the list for a buck....\
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>=============================================================  	 
>        Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net"

>.
I didn't know LR even MADE that many vehicles...!

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:35 -0500
Subject: Re: RN Winter Off-road Driving School "Repost"

In a message dated 96-02-21 22:29:02 EST, you write:

>Barnett,
Nothing but garbage recieved..  Do you need to save it in a text file 
>before transmitting ?
=====================
Michael, and all who couldn't read it, try this one and see if you can read.
 I have pasted the file into this note, from my mailer it looks fine, hope
I'm not duplicating other's work and wasting bandwith...
John P.
=====================
FROM BARNETT CHILDRESS:

Hi All,

I attended the Rovers North Winter off-road driving school over the 
weekend with some of my fellow BSROA club members. The class was great. I 
have been off-roading for several years, but still learned a lot!

We left from LR Metro West in Natick, Ma. around 4:30PM on Friday. Our 
convoy consisted of two Discos, and three Defenders. It was snowing very 
heavily at the time, the traffic was terrible, and to top it off I had a 
miserable cold. 
It took 2:30hrs to travel 20 miles! After we were into New Hampshire, 
traffic started to lighten up a bit, and we picked up the pace. The snow 
was very wet and icy. My Defender windshield was icing up so bad I had to 
stop about every 20 minutes to get out and clean it. MANY, vehicles were 
sliding off of the road. A poor fellow in an Explorer right in front of us 
really lost it. He slid down an embankment and into some trees. We were do 
to arrive at the Stowhoff Inn in Stowe Vermont for dinner at 7PM. We 
didn't arrive until 2:30AM! There was a fellow in a Honda(?) blocking the 
entrance. We tried to pull him out of the way with one of the Defenders 
but the road had an icy crust under the snow and the Defender just spun 
opposing front and rear wheels. We tried my Defender and I locked both Air 
lockers and was able to pull him up the hill and out of the way. We 
checked in exhausted and went to bed.

Saturday. We were supposed to be at RN for 9AM but... by the time everyone 
got together, (we were about 10 LR's and 21 people now), and we gassed up, 
and then drove to RN (about an hour), we didn't arrive until 10AM. We were 
greeted by Mark and his staff, and there were two special guests there for 
the event. Mike Hussey (1993 USA team Camel Trophy winner), and Sue Mead 
(two time photographer for Camel Trophy), (I hope I have the names and 
spelling right).

We had a brief lecture about LR 4WD systems, gear selections, Etc., and 
then went into the garage where they showed everyone the venerable parts 
under the vehicles. Then we assembled into driving teams and got into 
their vehicles for some hands on training. Two Range Rovers, (one with a 
Dakar 4.5L engine), a Disco, A 94 Defender (with a 4.5L Dakar), and a 
Defender Tdi diesel. I choose the 94 Defender with the Dakar, (surprise)!

It was bitter cold with the wind blowing. The instructors took us through 
some tight trails in the woods. We discussed gear selection, picking the 
proper drive line, letting the vehicle do the work and not muscling thru 
Etc. The snow was really slippery and one of the RR's needed to be winched 
up a hill right off. Next we all got to drive. We practiced extreme down 
hill and uphill climbs. We worked on failed hill climbs with the vehicle 
stalled, and severe side hills, Etc.

We took a lunch break and then it was over to the obstacle course. More 
extreme hill climbs and descents. Some of the hills became extremely icy 
after several vehicles had climbed them. I had three failed attempts on a 
very steep accent, and slid down ass backwards out of control before I 
could get into reverse and restart the Defender! Mike Hopwood my 
instructor remained  calm, told me more throttle and try again! I made the 
hill on my fourth try. As slow as possible as fast as necessary! That was 
the scariest for me. Free wheeling backwards and not being quick enough to 
get into reverse and restart. I know what I will be practicing. We moved 
on to ditch and ridge crossings  without becoming cross axled. Some 
winching instruction ended the day.

We returned to the hotel and had dinner. I was still sick as a dog so I 
went to bed exhausted again, about 11PM.

Sunday. We checked out and it was snowing again. We arrived at RN and had 
a brief lecture about winching and safety. Then off to some more trails in 
the woods. I drove some really tight twisty trails. We waited for the 
disco to catch up. As the disco tried to maneuver between two trees on a 
steep side hill the rear end slid and kissed the lower tree. We brought 
the Defender back and ran the winch cable thru a pulley block to the rear 
disco hitch. No damage. After that the disco got stuck again on a steep 
side slope. The rear door was opened abruptly and it sprung the hinges. 
The door could not be closed so we tied it shut. More twisty trails, and 
we practiced marshaling to aid the drivers. Also a lot more winching. 

Then back to Stowe and lunch. RN had a special event for us to challenge 
our clubs driving, stamina, teamwork, and problem solving skills. By 
special permit we were allowed to drive the road to Smugglers Notch. This 
road is closed to vehicles in the winter and had over four feet of snow on 
it. We started at 3PM with a time limit set for 7PM. People were looking 
at us like we were crazy as the first rover hurled over the snow bank onto 
the road! It was tough going right from the start. The lead vehicle had to 
try to cut tracks into the snow. Several feet forward then reverse and 
repeat. The snow was loose and powdery. trying to stay on top without 
breaking the crust was very difficult. Tyres were aired down and this 
helped a little. We winched, pushed, and shoveled anything to gain a foot 
of two of progress. Finally one of the RR's got badly stuck. We brought 
the 94 Defender into the front and it got stuck too. Finally after 
winching free we were running out of time, and it was starting to get 
dark. They told me to take the Defender and try to go as far as I could. 
They would recover the RR and follow in my tracks. Some of the party voted 
to turn back so the disco and one RR started the decent.

I was able to make fairly good progress in the Defender and soon we were 
out of sight from everyone else! I came to a hill I could not climb. We 
raidio'd to the RR, they were free and catching up to us. We winched both 
vehicles over the hill. We were within a quarter mile from the top! 
Unfortunately we had run out of time. So sticking with the plan we turned 
the vehicles around and headed down. Mike Hopwood told me that if we had 
been able to start earlier he knew we would have made it!

We got back to Stowe gassed up and aired up the tyres around 8PM and had 
dinner courtesy of LR Metro West. The dealer also gave everyone a free LR 
coffee mug and a gift certificate for $150. I left to go home at 11PM and 
arrived in Sturbridge, MA. at 3:30PM totally exhausted and never feeling 
better!

Monday I had the day off luckily and spent it recovering! I still have a 
bad cold.

Tuesday I spent my gift certificate towards a rear roll cage and full 
bestop for my Defender.

As you can tell everyone had a wonderful time. If you ever get a chance to 
take the RN school I highly recommend it, even if you are an experienced 
off-roader.

Sorry for the long post.
Cheers
Barnett
Childress
95 D90         

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:56:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long)

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Darwyn/Kris Benedict wrote:

> The third times a Charm!!  Try Again!!

	But not UUencoded for those who don't have a clue to what I am 
	talking about here...

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:01:29 -0500
Subject: Fwd; From another list...

Subj:  [Rovernet] parts in So. America
Date:  Wed, Feb 21, 1996 12:15 PM EDT
From:  rovernet@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu
X-From: JPeters105@aol.com
Reply-to: rovernet@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu

Anyone know of a source of parts for a Range Rover in South America. The
vehicle is in Chile, and was assembled in Venezuela in '79.
     Thanks,
         Joel

================
saw the above on the 'Rovernet'. Thought someone here could help...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW
       '60 P5 (628000165)
       '68 P6 SC Auto
       '68 P6 TC
       '84 RR     <--only days away!!!
       '

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Whers the digest gone?
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 11:24:00 EST

This is a test to see where the digest has gone. Andy Blackley sent some 
stuff and was bounced. I haven't seen a digest since Tuesday.
Is there a server problem? Is it only the digest-ltd? Al, can you let me 
know if you see this note via the real time list or not, thanks

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 22 Feb 96 09:30:35 MST
Subject: DRIVING THE 109

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486

Hello friends,

Just to let you all know (yeah! Like you cared!) that I loaned my RR out
to my soon to be girlfriend (relax, I've known her for 3 years) since
her car is in need of a timing gear. TeriAnn's comment that "plushies"
are superior in the area of the beverage holder struck me Today, as I
drove in to work with the 109. (I haven't driven it in a few months, and
she started right up!) Even though I love the RR, I really do enjoy
driving the 109. (Proof that I'm seriously deranged!) I realized that
I've even missed driving her. But I digress... Anyway, I did manage to
spill a drop of coffee on my pant leg. Not that the RR has a cup holder
(it doesn't) but it does require a certain "fury of motions" to drive
the 109 whereas the RR is so simple, you could do it in your sleep.
(Seems that many people DO!)

Thanks for putting up with this dribble...

Dave ("Fists of fury") Brown

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 12:01:10 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109

Thanks for putting up with this dribble...

Nice pun, Dave. 

I find it pretty easy to drive my SIII with coffe in hand, as long as the cup 
has a handle on it. That way I can hold the cup and steering wheel with one hand
and shift with the other. Granted the motions required to drive an 88 are 
probably somewhat less furious than a 109. Especially a SIII plushie. The only 
real problem is trying to eat or roll cigarettes while driving, especially if 
there's a beverage involved too. None of this is a problem in my Honda Cynic 
which I can steer with my knees, leaving my hands free to perform other "tasks".
I can almost roll a stoger while driving the 88 but they usually come out sort 
of lumpy. 

Dave ("Fists of fury") Brown

Sounds like me trying to get my heater to work. Lately, an accurately placed 
blow to the top of the dash panel is the only way to wake up the mice. Or iss it
squirrels... uh oh, here we go again...

Dave "Mammals R' Us" Bobeck

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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
Subject: At the risk of being repetitive...
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:03:17 MST

Warmest regards from sunny Colorado!

At the risk of being the 100th person to ask, what happened
to the digest? I haven't received one for two days :-(

--
Jeffrey J. Gauvin
'94 D90 ("ColoRover" ?)

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Date:     Thu, 22 Feb 96 12:22:13 EST (1722Z)
From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil>
Subject:  Re:  DRIVING THE 109

To all,

Guess I'm too used to "making do" when it comes
to creature comforts (courtsey of Uncle Sam), or
maybe too used to doing without.  Anyway, with
all this talk of coffee/drink holders and me being
a mega coffee addict, I thought I'd throw in my
solution.

I use one of the Aladdin brand thermo mugs with the
sip-it tops.  What I do is wedge the mug in between
the passenger and middle seat bottoms on my Series.

Works great.  Always handy.  Bummer sometimes for
the passenger, but ...

'til later,

Larry

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:02:34 PSZ
From: gmoore@comox.island.net (Greg Moore)
Subject: Re:  coffee cups

Hello all,

I just subscribed to this list in time to catch some discussion of drink
holders. I use a non spill cup (of course!) and set it on the transmission
tunnel. When I got tired of the cup slipping off and spilling all over my 11A I
bought a piece of non-slip mat like they use on boats for placemats and set in
on the tunnel. Works well on the street. When the going gets rough I drink the
coffee first!

Cheers, Greg

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 13:27:17 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: coffee cups

Hello all,

I just subscribed to this list in time to catch some discussion of drink 
holders.
 I use a non spill cup (of course!) and set it on the transmission tunnel.

..ok, now where am I supposed to put my ashtray?

Dave

72SIII

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From: jve@phaseone.dk
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 18:53:27 
Subject: My gearstick BROKE !!!

In the parking lot at work this morning I was putting my 109 in first gear to 
enter a booth, when the gearstick snapped and I had it in my hand. It was
broken 
at the ball, so there I was in the middle of the parking lot in free gear and 
nothing to do about it. Eat your heart out, Donald Duck!
Good thing it is easy to replace.

Jens Vesterdahl
Copenhagen, Denmark

1972 109 sIII STW 

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 13:50:50 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

Okay guys;

WARNING!!! READ FIRST!!!! (This post contains humorous content. The author 
assumes no responsibility for anyone who takes this post seriously. This 
post is an attempt at humor. Any resemblance to anyone living or dead is 
purely coincidental!) 

I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... 
rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, we don't 
need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool guy stereotypes?

Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and  
store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of 
the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's 
important, but this...?

Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, 
installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you 
can freshen up a bit on the trail! 

Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly 
dead...

Ha...HA,
Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress
95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders)  

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:52:31 -0800
From: mumcar@ix.netcom.com (William Carter )
Subject: Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift

You wrote: 
>I need some advice on where to mount a set of tow hooks and a hi-lift 

jack on
>my '94 Defender 90.  I have the early Rover brush bar with the winch 
mounts
>from the first 10 cars.  What is the reccommended spot for tow hooks?  
Has
>anyone else put a hi-lift jack on the front?  Would the back be 
better?
>anyone else put a hi-lift jack on the front?  Would the back be 

I put my high-lift in the back using Hi-Lifts locking mounting kit.  
You can U-bolt it to the high stop light loop standing up and use the 
base holder on the rear step to keep it away from the tailgate.  You 
are still able to open the gate and it's out of the way.  As far as tow 
hooks, you're probably better off getting one mounted to the front of 
the bumper and having a welding shop strengthen the mounting point.

Good Luck,

Bill Carter
95 D90

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From: Alan Richer <Alan_Richer.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 22 Feb 96 14:22:28 EST
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

Barnett "I scratched it, so I need to buy a new Discovery" Childers blathers:

>I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... 
>rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, we don't 
>need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool guy stereotypes?

Now wait just one fat furry little mammalian minute....... We embarass Camel 
drivers, not smoke them! Damn camels keep spitting and putting out the matches, 
anyway...

>Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and  
>store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of 
>the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's 
>important, but this...?

This is part of the Series mystique. We, the rugged, manly, hairy-chested 
pilots of recycled aircraft aluminum cannot survive on beer alone. Beer is only 
one of the four basic Rover food groups, to wit:

Beer
Coffee
Manifold Bangers
Chips or Sump Fries

(or wieners and French Fries for the British-impaired among us).

This is why the FRT assembly exists in the Rover parts catalogue. You need the 
ravening case of heartburn from the coffee to keep you awake on all those rocky 
trails after consuming massive quantities of the other three groups at your 
lunch break

>Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, 
>installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you 
>can freshen up a bit on the trail! 

What do you mean looking? The Series Rover is more than capable of supporting 
all of these gadgets and more, like the coffee grinder, wind-up radio and all 
of the gadgets to make life truly civilized on the trail. My beloved 109 
dashboard has everything you mention but the espresso maker (that's on the 
engine), and even more, like:

Globe-spanning 10-meter transciever
holding rack for the cattle prod (gotta clear the sheep off the trail SOMEHOW)
Rubber blowup....er....later on that one
Urchin rack for unruly children

Manly and macho does not need to mean uncivilized.

>Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly 
>dead...

And if you hadn't nailed us to the perch we'd be pushing up daisies!

    ajr

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:54:30 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Thanks to lro----Range Rover question

Kurt -- when I was looking into getting a Great Divide bumper, LRNA told 
me it was made in the UK. It is aluminum alloy in contrast to the ARB 
steel design. There are actually two -- the one on the "Great Divide 
Edition" was not as large in the vertical dimension, as it didn't have 
provision for a winch. The one offered as the "GDE Winch/Bullbar" 
accessory is larger vertically so the winch fits neatly inside.

Cheers

John Brabyn

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:54:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, barnett childress wrote:

> Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and  
> store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of 
> the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's 
> important, but this...?

	Who's talking about in a moving vehicle?  After some evening, er,
	discussions, you need something to hold the coffee cup still
	since it appears to be in several places at once when you wake
	up in the back of your Series vehicle.  As for the bottle opener,
	you should know by now its about 5' long and comes standard on
	most Series vehicles...
	
> Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly 
> dead...

	That's generally occurs at about 4am...

> Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress

	It ain't so...

> 95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders)  

	Yes plush, unless you wish to follow Russell Burns about for an
	afternoon.  The only chap I've seen so far turn the entire front
	end of his D90 a light brown colour.  Inside and out.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 14:56:55 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

Oh Alan,
Now you know I have a "Defender and can't get a new one if I scratch it"!

As a Rover "newbee" I must admit I had no idea there were three other 
rover food groups! Thanks for setting me straight.

Rubber blow up? I'm sure this must be some special recovery device!

Cheers,
Barnett

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:05:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: OVLR Birthday Party

	OVLR Birthday Party is scheduled for June 21-23rd for those
	interested.  Same location as last year (Silver Lake, Ontario)
	

Dixon Kenner                                    (819) 997-1107
Canadian Forestry Service                       Natural Resources Canada

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:56:45 GMT
From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Unlocking the central diff-lock

In your message dated Wednesday 21, February 1996 you wrote :

> The mind boggles. All list readers should ALWAYS follow this advice and
> keep my signature handy....we do very reasonable recoveries !!!!!
> Regards, Ian

It does work, 'onest guv. I use it all the time!. As I said (name droppin 'ere) 
I wuz going round the LR track at Eastnor Castle, and this is how the
instructor 
demonstarted the technique (BTW it doesn't work for Series LR's as they 'aven't 
a central diff).

Gerald.
-- 
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| Purely my own opinions - not those of my employer                       |
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 15:13:44 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

Dixon,
I must admit brown on the (inside) hasn't happened... yet, but I'm up for 
it!
Cheers,
Barnett

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Date:         Thu, 22 Feb 96 15:14:45 LCL
From: Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: OVLR Birthday Party

What will be the agenda this year?

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:05:24 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, barnett childress wrote:

> Okay guys;

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)]
> Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress
> 95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders)  

besides---if you can't get there in a RANGE ROVER you shouldn't be there
in any vehicle. Thats what hiking boots are for!!!
2 cents worth +

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:51:32 -0800
From: Gus Macintosh <John.A.Macintosh@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: subscribe

subscribe
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:24:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Dennis Seiler wrote:

> What will be the agenda this year?

	At this early date, I'd say the same as last year.  The
	light off-road is some 45 miles long, the heavy off-road
	significantly shorter, but a wee bit more challenging.
	There is a hill climb in another part of the hydro cut
	that we are going to try (exposed bedrock, to be flattened
	flora etc).  In the evenings, I'd say a wee bit of beer.

	The Birthday Party is not a huge event like the Downeast in Maine
	or the ROAV Mid-Atlantic.  Under half the size because of location,
	but off-roading wise, er, rather different that those two locations.

	Basically its a big party.  More than a dozen people on this list
	were there last year and seemed to enjoy themselves.  Ben Smith
	drove from California to attend.

	Rgds,

Dixon Kenner                                    (819) 997-1107
Canadian Forestry Service                       Natural Resources Canada

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries.
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:25:13 -0800

>From: 	barnett
>childress[SMTP:barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com]

>What size and brand alternator does anyone suggest for winching, lights, 
>Etc.? How do you go about installing dual Optima batteries? Are they wired 
>in parallel? I have heard that an isolator is good from some folks and bad 
>from others, any comments? 
That depends on what you're running:
Parallel = double the power, but no "safety" reserve if you run the battery
down. The best of both worlds is to have them isolated for charging (so that
each one gets what it needs without draining the other) and providing the
ability to run one down without draining the other. And have an interconnect
switch or relay that bypasses the isolator (connecting the batteries in
parallel) for those occasional "big" jobs.

>Should you have an emergency cut off switch for the winch? 
I put one on my Jeep's winch so that if I bashed something real hard or if
someone wanted to cut the wires and steal the winch, I/they wouldn't short
out the battery starting a fire in the process.
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

>Should you have an emergency cut off switch for the winch? 

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 15:36:44 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

 

I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... 
rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, we don't 
need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool guy stereotypes?

Make us sound like heathen's, why don't you! 
There's an air of refinement and an appreciation of things of quality that 
seperates us from the rest of the rubber-footed herds...
Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and  
store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of 
the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's 
important, but this...?

I don't know about you but usually my beer is followed by coffee...Plus I drive 
my 88 to work, so why shouldn't I drink coffee in it. Coffee is MACHO. 
Half-caf-decaf-latte-vanilla-almond-peanut-creme-de-whatever is not.

Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, 
installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you 
can freshen up a bit on the trail! 

CD player? Nah. I like my $20 Sears cassettte player, courtesy of PO. CD's would
break from the vibration. Plus the way that dash collects water, Iit's just not 
worth it. Cell phone, sure. Could save you a long walk. If I wanted to walk 
through the woods I'd be hiking, not driving. Hot towels are in the ARB locker. 

Besides haven't you heard? These items are all symbols of the new "90's macho". 
Every Eddie Bauer wearin' yacht clubbin', trail jogging, "Men's Journal" 
readin', latte snarfin' yuppie in the country probably dreams of driving a 
Series Rover. 

Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly 
dead...

Well just don't "look up" at us when you're stuck in 3 feet of mud!!

Dave  "Pass the 90wt, these cigarettes are making me thirsty!" Bobeck

'72 SIII 88" Macho Pastel Green

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:10:20 -0800
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

On Thu, 22 Feb 96, "barnett childress" 
<barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> wrote:

>Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and  
>store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of 
>the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's 
>important, but this...?

Methinks some folks would have to disagree with you as to the importance of 
coffee to a series owner....especially when there's a little Scotch in for 
'flavour'.

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:10:32 -0800
Subject: LRNA Sales.

Does anyone know where I can find out the number of LR products sold in North 
America since LRNA (RRNA) was formed?

Thanks,
Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:10:26 -0800
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

On Thu, 22 Feb 96, Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU> wrote:
>What will be the agenda this year?

Beer, Mud, Small Mammals?  :)

Eric

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:12:26 -0800

>I don't know about you but usually my beer is followed by coffee...Plus I
>drive 
>my 88 to work, so why shouldn't I drink coffee in it. Coffee is MACHO. 
>Half-caf-decaf-latte-vanilla-almond-peanut-creme-de-whatever is not.

Agreed, but, Coffee is to 87 octane as [double/triple] Espresso is to
Hi-test. Therefore, it stands to reason that a Discovery with the
factory-installed, under-dash-mounted espresso bar and optional IV feed
would be the ultimate in machesmo! (why the IV? So the coffee cup doesn't
interfere with the transfer case shifter, of course)  It's when you start
diluting the espresso with the aforementioned additives that you regress
into the "Eddie-Bauer, boat-shoe, Levi-Dockers with
sweater-tied-around-your-neck" type mentioned below.
>Besides haven't you heard? These items are all symbols of the new "90's
>macho". 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>readin', latte snarfin' yuppie in the country probably dreams of driving a 
>Series Rover. 

Hey I bet they'd trade their Ford Explorer for one! (not that there'd be
many takers, of course :-)
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/ sans espresso bar, unfortunately

>Besides haven't you heard? These items are all symbols of the new "90's

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:22:24 -0500
Subject: Outback trip..(not really rover related)

Hey, I ran across this post on compuserve and thought maybe someone here
might be interested, so I thought I would post it here...

Begin text:_____________________________________________
G'day from the Outback,

I am an American but currently live in the Center of Australia's Outback -
Alice Springs.  I brought my 1989 Toyota 4Runner with me and have modified it
extensively for the harsh/remote conditions of the Australian Outback.  I'm
looking for someone to join me as a co-driver on the following trip.

In July/August, I'm undertaking an extensive Outback trip,  much of it across
trackless expanses of the Great Sandy Desert in West Australia.   A convoy of
10 vehicles will undertake an expedition which travels from Alice Springs, NT
to Newman, WA over a 25 day period.  There is a stretch of at least 11 days
where there is no known water sources.  Vehicles are required to carry
upwards of 260 litres of fuel and 120 litres of water.  Fuel drops will be
arranged where we intersect our bush bashing with one of the few roads (two
wheel tracks in the sand)  in West Australia - The Canning Stock route.  Each
Drop will include a 50 Gallon drum of fuel for each vehicle in the convoy.
 The trip is centered around personal exploration.  It is extremely likely
that we will traverse land which no white man has travelled before.  Daily
duties of the group range from "Dunny Duty" to puncture repair from the days
travels.   There will be days in which we will be hard pressed to make 20-30
km.

Upon reaching Newman, the group breaks up and returns to wherever their home
is.  I plan on returning to the Alice via the picturesque NW coast of
Australia.  This includes the 4wd territory of Broome, The Kimberly, etc.
 This portion will include extensive travel of the vast Outback road system
(single lane, corrugated and  washed out gravel roads with lots of wandering
stock and free roaming animals).  

The list of custom modifications to the 4Runner are long.  Some of them
include:
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(clip)
The trip runs from from 22 July 1996 to probably around 27 August 1996 (end
date is flexible) and will likely cover close to 12000 kilometers.

I'm looking for someone who is adaptable and willing to work as a team to get
the job done.  It is a truly unique experience.  I would expect the co-driver
to help cover costs.  Please feel free to contact me for further details.

Some photos and the journal of a previous trip in which I crossed America can
be seen on my web page.   Point your browser to
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~flyer

Don Burke
74244.2577@compuserve.com
Alice Springs, Australia

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:27:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 ericz@cloud9.net wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Feb 96, Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU> wrote:

> >What will be the agenda this year?

> Beer, Mud, Small Mammals?  :)

	Small mammals are optional, but I understand that Mr. Bobeck will
	be handling that aspect of the Birthday Party.  

	Besides, this may be the last Birthday Party that you can attend.
	If Buchanan is elected President, he intends to build a Great Wall
	of China along the Canada USA border to stem the flow of "bad" 
	ideas from Canada (read bilingualism, multiculturalism, socialised
	medicine, welfare, unemployment insurance etc.).  At least we have
	good beer, lots of mud, tons of small furry mammals... :-)

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:32:38 -0800
Subject: Re: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

> I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... 
> rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself,
>  we don't  need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool
>  guy stereotypes?

Not hardly

> Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to 
> drink coffee and  store coffee mugs? My heart sinks.

As a tea drinker I was also wondering if there was a place to strap down a
stainless steel tea pot on the exhaust mainold so I could get hot water for
my tea when I stop to streach my legs.  I'm willing to go back to the
refrigerator for milk to put in my tea and get tea out of the pantry.  Even
wash my cup afterwards in one of the sinks.  It just that it takes longer
than I like to heat a pot of water on the stove.

Driving when drinking tea is a bit risky.  There doesn't seem to be a good
place to put the cup and it tends to slosh a bit at the first good mud hole.
 Of course when finished, the washed and dry cup gets stored in the cupboard.

> I could
>  understand the importance of the raging debate over where
>  to install the beer bottle opener, that's important, but this...?

The opener is built into the instrument apnel on pre series III Land Rovers.
 No need to install a second.  Idealy you want to convoy with a home brewer
that has just brewed a nice ale.  Trying to be a model citizen, I think the
ale should be kept in the refrigerator out of reach wile driving.

>Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular 
> phones, installing CD players, expresso makers, and 
> hot towel dispensers so you can freshen up a bit on the trail! 

I have given some thought about a cellular phone for emergency calls for help
but I keep hearing that you are always out of range any time you may need to
call for help.  I am constructing a consol that fits over the front
windscreen though.  It will hold a CB, a radio (Yes I finally decided to go
for the plushness) and maps.  Perhaps a GPS could mount up there if I decide
to go for one.  Being above head level, it will hopefully be above water
level when the car goes wading.

I have not yet decided where to place the towel holder.  I plan to use the
rear door grab handle and put it somewhere near the ceiling.

> Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's
> are truly dead...

I haven't yet picked the colours for the curtains and the carpet

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Date: 22 Feb 96 16:55:20 EST
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Free wheel hubs

The use of free wheel hubs does not save the front prop shaft.
The bearings in the Hookes joints are needle roller, they work by rotating
between the inner and outer races of the bearing. In lightly loaded
applications, as when the drive shaft is rotated by the road wheels there is a
tendency for the rollers to skid and wear, rather than rotate. This produces
premature failure of the bearings.That is why the rear shafts seem to last
forever ( providing they are lubricated ) and front shafts don't  last long.
 When free wheels hubs are used and the shaft is not rotated then ifferenrt
problems occur, vibration causes the rollers to move to and fro slightly, this
creates wear in one spot, the worse it gets the worse it gets, eventually the
hard skin is worn away. This condition is known in the bearing business as "
brinelling " which occurs when two hardened mating surfaces are vibrated.  It
can be seen in the early stages as a series of parallel lines on the shaft or
bearing cap bore.
 This problem  occurs in all types of bearings and can occur whilst items arer
stored on the shelf if they are subject to vibration, hence in organised stores
the use of stock rotation systems and turning the shafts of motors etc by hand
at prescribed intervals.

 Next week I am off to France for a couple of days and for  three days in the
Land Rover Kingdom to o/d on Land Rovers.

 Regards   Bill Leacock   Limey in exile.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:17:47 -0500
From: sim1@cornell.edu (Steve MARGOLIS)
Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels

Tom Rowe asked:
>I posted a piece on the care and feeding of turbos last year. Does
>anyone still have that (I tend to not save my drivel)? If not, I guess I ca=

n
> redo it.
>anyone still have that (I tend to not save my drivel)? If not, I guess I ca=
I'll save you some time, Tom.  Here it is.  I'd like to chip in my 2 cents=
 worth on the value of letting an engine with a turbo idle when you start it=
 up and before you shut it down.  It worked for me with the Peugeot turbo=
 diesels that I have had.  I used to let them idle at least 30 seconds on=
 start up - sometimes 10 minutes or more in the winter - and at least 60=
 seconds before shutting them down.  I never had a problem with the turbo. =
 Carry some glass cleaner and towels.  Start the engine, then clean your=
 windshield and lights.  When you get where you're going, park, clean your=
 lights again, then shut it down.  Tom's 'drivel' follows: 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

>Date:          Fri, 7 Jul 1995 11:40:34 GMT -0600
>Subject:       increasing turbo longevity

Hello all,
I've been meaning to post some info on turbos for those who care.
I used to rebuild them and picked up a few things along the way
(sorry, I didn't pick up any turbos).
=46irst, I don't know what make turbo LR uses, but most of this will
apply to all turbos.

Starting the engine. Don't rev it up until your oil pressure is built
up as turbo clearances are less than most engine parts and it will be
the first damaged. Idealy you shouldget a T fitting and mount your
oil pressure sender at the oil inlet to the turbo. It's usually the
last thing the pressure gets too. Some designs though either have a
check valve to prevent oil leaving the line, or a direct line to the
turbo from the pump.

Shutting down. Don't park your Rover and then immediately shut down.
The turbo gets HOT and a cool down of a minute or two (longer
if you've been using a lot of boost) will be appreciated. When you
shut down with a hot turbo the oil cokes up on the shaft and will
eventually foul the bearings and lead to premature failure. There are
available resevoir kits that are charged with oil on startup then release
it to drain through the turbo on shut down. The best I've seen is a
kit that comes with it's own pump and allows you to prelub the turbo
and a heat activated switch that will post lube it until the temp
drops to an acceptable level. It draws the oil from the sump through
a fine filter that contains a magnet.

If you are working around your turbo make sure you don't foul the
drain tube if it's a flex tube. Turbos must have the drain port within
a specific range of angle and a clear drain. If either is out of spec
the oil will back up and blow by the seals and into the engine. On
it's way it will foul the impeller and if it goes on long enough you
can get enough of a build up to get the turbo out of balance. Once
out of balance, it gets progressively worse until it contacts the
housing and will take about one second to completly destroy the turbo
and possibly wipe out your engine.

If you must run the engine with the air cleaner removed, be *very*
careful that nonthing gets sucked in. Very small things will wreck it
in short order, most intake side impellers are aluminum and fragile.
This seems obvious, but you'd be supprised how many wrecked turbos we
saw because something got sucked into the air intake.

Depending on the make of turbo, you may be able to get a water cooled
housing (like the ones used on Saabs) that will help keep it cool.

If you need to get your tubo rebuilt, ask if they balance the shaft
and impellers. Some shops don't but it's important. Best, if it's a
shop you are familar with, is to ask them "How do you balance the
shaft and impellers?"

Hmm, that's all I can think of at the moment, if more comes to mind,
I'll post it.
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu

Steve Margolis
Ithaca, NY

1957 107 station wagon - still in Maine in 'kit' form - Damn! 

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 22:16:46 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Winch for RR

Anyone know of a discreet winch mount for a RR. Those familiar with LRO mag 
may remember "SYD" Gary Pusey's RR. He has a Warn mounted up under a steering 
guard at the front with the spoiler removed. I was wondering if anyone has / 
knows of what type of mount winch combo this is. 

Rgds 

Mark 

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:23:43 -0500
Subject: Remote Starter for sale

All:  I have a brand-new remote starter for sale.
..it will not work with  manual transmission vehicles.
it would be perfect for the RR, Disco etc ..
e-mail me direct if you have an interest

Rgds,
Steve Bradke
72 S lll
68 S lla

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:35:36 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Winch for RR

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Mark Talbot wrote:

> Anyone know of a discreet winch mount for a RR. Those familiar with LRO mag 
> may remember "SYD" Gary Pusey's RR. He has a Warn mounted up under a steering 
> guard at the front with the spoiler removed. I was wondering if anyone has / 
> knows of what type of mount winch combo this is. 

My 88 RR came with a very discrete winch.  I asked the PO what kind it 
was, and he didn't know.  I got down and looked at a small brass plate 
and, with the light just right, read "Manufactured by Rovers North...."

Last time I was on the phone with them, ordering the discrete "D" ring, I
asked if they still have them? Yes, they do.  I also asked about the guts,
and I think I was told it is a Warn 8000#.  I haven't had an opportunity
to really use it yet.  I don't have a spoiler either. 

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:58:10 -0800
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> wrote:

>	Besides, this may be the last Birthday Party that you can attend.
>	If Buchanan is elected President, he intends to build a Great Wall
>	of China along the Canada USA border 

Just call Lanny at RN and ask for the 'Mining Rover' kit, so you can go under 
the wall ;)  If you don't mind being shot at, a few extra snatch blocks will 
probably get you over...

....or perhaps a big ramp...where's that guy who wanted to do 180s?

Regards,
Eric

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From: SLYKDYK@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:29:19 -0500
Subject: Mogul bashing

 We're off to Telluride Co for two weeks of skiing...Maybe the Disco can do
some mogul bashing while it's up there..Our driveway sometimes requires low
if the plow hasn't got there yet (I know..I know....LROs don't need
plows)....The toughest part is convincing my spouse the the Disco was built
for conditions at 9000+ ft above sea level in February.. See you in a couple
of weeks...Maybe one of you will be up there . We have a white Disco with
bull bar, ski rack..CO # VZL 4100. Cheerio!

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:51:19 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: D90 Commuting

Just a quick idle remark following on the comments about people who 
only commute in their RRs.  I commute in my D90 and find that it has 
some advantages for this as well.  In first gear high I can take my 
feet off all pedals and the engine will tick over at about 250 rpm and 
creep the vehicle along at sub-speedometer speeds - no stalling.  This 
comes in very handy in some of the more traffic prone portions of the 
freeway.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:57:54 -0500
Subject: Alternator goes...then what?

Thought I'd post this note on this list also, problem is how long do you have
to drive after your alternator fails, and you are running on your single 12V
battery alone.  Can anyone see problems with my calcs?  I am using the
standard Bosch Automotive Handbook, 3rd Edition.
Thanks, John P.  94 D90.

In a message dated 96-02-22 10:00:25 EST,  you write:

>From what I read, it's less than 5 amps to run the engine electrical... but 
>there is the fuel pump (still less than 2 amps).  Say 7 amps on a 600 amp/hr
>battery...

Regarding how long you should be able to drive without an alternator, I did
some checking on this today.  I wanted to see if book  calculations would
mimick  the report of 30-40 minutes with headlights, because that seems a
little too short to me.   I ran into a problem because I couldn't find how
much a standard fuel injection unit draws, (nor its fuel pump--though I was
ready to use the above quoted estimate of <2amps).  

Here are some avg power consumption figures I found: (all the I (current)
values are based on 12volts, my book gave me only the watt values)

Ignition         40W  3.3A
LowBeams  90W  7.5A
Wipers           5W   .4 A (this seems real low for a motor and mechanical
device)

My own Estimates:
Fuel Pump     24W  2.0A
Injectors      120W 10.0A
                  -----------------
approx Total   280W  23A

Now, Kelly said figure on a "600 amp/hr" battery.  I figured that value was
actually 600 CCA, or cold cranking amps, not the actual nominal capacity (Ah
or Amp-hours), which is the constant  current that can be delivered for 20
hours, this is a standard test which can let you predict
performance...exactly what I want to do here.  Unfortuanately, I also can't
find a nominal capacity for a real live battery, I called the NAPA store with
my volvo battery number (6024, a 60 month group 24, just your average
battery) and got a 250 "Load Test Amps", and a 500 CCA.  I don't think  Load
Test Amps is nominal capacity, as it is very far from a value in my Bosch
book which lists as an example of an auto starter battery, a part# 56618,
12V, 66 Ah, 300 CCA, where the 66 Ah is the nominal capacity.  Fine.  Lets
use THAT battery, even though it seems like it is a pretty small battery
judging on the low CCA number. (we'll error on the good side...)

At a total load of A= 23 amps, and a nom cap of Ah = 66 Ah,   DTC (coeff) =
A/Ah = 23/66=0.35 as a "discharge time coefficient."  Using a battery
performance graph, I get just about 3 hours until battery voltage drops below
10.5 volts, a standard test voltage below which most 12v automotive devices
won't run right.    

So, there you have it, that fellow who drove 30-40 minutes must have had his
stereo with the super bass woofer pounding away, because he aught to have
been able to go about 3 hours. :>)

Now for the real test:  Does it seem like you could drive 3 hours using
battery power alone with headlights on?  Or, could you run a 23 amp device
for 3 hours with your car battery?

  

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:08:28 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Brinelling

William L. Leacock wrote:

> The use of free wheel hubs does not save the front prop shaft.
> The bearings in the Hookes joints are needle roller, they work by rotating
between the inner and outer races of the bearing.

All very plausible, but my needle bearings were not the problem. The 
splines became very worn and allowed the shaft to spin eccentrically. 
The vibration thus caused was, naturally, intense. No brinelling there, 
as the shaft extends and contracts as the suspension works up and down.

And, yes, it was very well lubricated. As the hubs are regularly locked 
for some miles to ensure inernal splash lubrication, the opportunity for 
brinelling is no greater than that which will occur, say, on the 
steering column needle roller race, I would think.

-- 
David Olley
................................................................................
.....
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
................................................................................
.....

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:22:52 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what?

PurnellJE@aol.com wrote:
> problem is how long do you have to drive after your alternator fails, 

All your calculations assume a unity load: i.e. resistive. I am not an 
expert (there are lots out there) but I believe that the load 
drawn by electric motors is subject to an adjusted formula. W=AV is not 
correct for motors. I recall this from when having something to do with 
generators, when the term KVa is used rather than KiloWatts. This takes 
into account non unity loads.

Someone with knowledge will tell us.

-- 
David Olley
................................................................................
.....
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: FW: D90 Alternators...and battery capacity
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:25:14 -0800

>One battery rating that would seem very appropriate for this type of study
>is the "Reserve Capacity" which (as I recall) is the number of minutes a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
>Just my 2 volts worth...
>>-- Bob W.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:32:07 -0800
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Galvanic corrosion

Just an idea, but i am going to try it on some less structural
joins on Emerson

-wrap the bolts in teflon tape (use stainless steel/galvanized?)
-make washers out of some suitable plastic using a gasket 
  cutting set.  I am going to cheat and try plastic milk jugs
  and a hole punch

Am I just really stupid or would this actually work?

Cheers

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:28:52 -0800
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Series Lightweight Questions

Are there any lightweight owners/knowledgeable people out there
willing to answer some questions about them (probably private
is best to save bandwidth)?

CDC

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: 22 Feb 96 20:36:48 EST
From: Paul.Smail@Washcoll.EDU (Paul Smail)
Subject: Diesels and Imports

Two quick questions for the Rover gurus:

1. Why are diesel engines (non-turbos), even with their lack of horsepower and
torque, preferred for heavy off-road use?

2. Do you have any advice for importing Series Land Rovers? Both Land Rover
Owner International and Land Rover World list in their classifieds sections
businesses which "specialize" in "USA exports." What considerations must be
taken as far as taxes and laws?

Thanks,

Paul

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 20:55:51 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion

-wrap the bolts in teflon tape (use stainless steel/galvanized?)
-make washers out of some suitable plastic using a gasket 
  cutting set.  I am going to cheat and try plastic milk jugs
  and a hole punch

Am I just really stupid or would this actually work?

I don't think anything done in an honest attempt to stop corrosion could be 
called stupid... except maybe using stainless hardware in a structural 
application...

I've used rubber plumbing washers which are about 1 or 2 mm thick, between some 
of the steel washers that come up against the aluminum. I think in general, the 
bolts aren't the culprits, it's really the nuts and washers that have a lot of 
surface area up against the Birmabrat. I'd feel comfortable using em just about 
anywhere that isn't torque spec'd as I imagine the rubber will eventually decay,
leaving the fastener a little loose. I like the idea of the milk carton stuff, 
as long as they aren't designed to be UV degradable. Even so, the area under the
steel washer wouldn't be exposed to light, so...
The teflon tape may be considered excessive but go for it. Certainly cant hurt 
anything.

Dave "Too many rust holes to worry about" B.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 21:16:17 -0500
From: XINCLXLRO@learnlink.emory.edu (LRO Conference @ learnlink.emory.edu)
Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what?

PurnellJE@aol.com,Internet writes:
>So, there you have it, that fellow who drove 30-40 minutes must have had his
>stereo with the super bass woofer pounding away, because he aught to have
>been able to go about 3 hours. :>)

The guy that had the alternator fail here in Atlanta drove back approximately
140 miles to Atlanta with lights on the whole way as well as about a half hour
inside the area we were offroading in.  He made it the whole way back without
failure, we assume on battery power.  I didn't figure you could make it that
far, but apparently it's possible.

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From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:15:41 -0500
Subject: TeriAnn's List of Spares & Ian's request for copy

I saved it, and here it is.  I don't know how to make all those ">" appear
automatically in front of TeriAnn's message, so QUOTE/UNQUOTE will have to
suffice.

QUOTE
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:53:12 -0800
Subject: Re: What do you keep in YOUR tool kit?

Tool Kit that gets loaded for long trips:
- 3/8 socket set short & long sockets, short & long ratchets, breaker bar,
extensions, and torque wrench.
- an assortment of slot & phllip screwdrivers.
- a couple of cresent wrenches and vice-grips
- a set of combination wrenches, with duplicate 1/2 and 9/16 wrenches.
- gas pliers, slip jaw pliers, long nose pliers.
- large diagonal cutters, wire stripper
- continuity tester
- A couple of clip leads
- a tube of blue RTV that comes in the silver tube
- a hand full of rags
- file
- a pice of sand paper
- feeler guages
- hammer
- assorted punches & chissles

Additional Tools that stay home:
- ring pliers
- electric impact wrench & sockets
- compressor. sand blaster, cut off wheel, grinder
- pickle fork
- multimeter
- crimper
- allan wrench set
- electric side grinder

Spares:
- engine oil
- 90 wt
- rear 'U' bolts & nuts
- special hoses
- fan belt
- water pump
- plugs, cap, rotor, points, spark plug wire
- length of insulated electrical wire.
- a bale's worth of baling wire

Probably the most important part;
Before going on long trips or offroading I carefully inspct the car and
check/fill all fluids.  I do the inspection at least two weekends before the
trip so I can have a weekend to do repairs or replacements.  I restrict my
Land Rover to the road or home if I do not think the car is not mechanically
in very good shape.  I check all the fluids just before leaving.  I do not
want to be the one who breaks down.  

I think people lose patience for someone who breaks down every time that they
come out on an offroad meet.

TeriAnn
UNQUOTE

TeriAnn - Sorry I couldn't get this on the digest in time to save you trying
to reconstruct it from memory.  I saved many of the substantial submissions
on that topic, so my tool kit will have EVERYTHING in it... and be carried in
a following 18-wheeler!  

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From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:15:02 -0500
Subject: Brake system maintenance

Following onto the bandwidth about using silicone brake fluid, hygroscopic
characteristics, etc., yours truly thought he would be brilliant and
suggested that the problem could be reduced by regular bleeding, i.e.,
flushing the water out.  

On reflection, and again bear in mind that I am talking here about drum
brakes (I don't know if or how this applies to discs) I think I was grossly
mistaken.  The bleed screw and the brake line connection, on Series vehicles,
 are both at the TOP of the wheel cylinder, where they have to be to allow
air purging, therefore, it seems to me, you could pump a tanker load of
Castrol LMA through the brake lines, and you won't make a dent in the water
that has been absorbed/adsorbed in the fluid in the wheel cylinders
themselves.  Am I right in thinking that the only solution, if one continues
to use "antique" hygroscopic brake fluid, is to periodically strip down the
wheel cylinders and dry 'em out, honing, replacing, or rebuilding as
necessary. 

I am already severely depressed by Sandy Grice of the Rover Owner's
Association of Virginia telling me that I can expect serious problems from
the reformulated gas that our state (Maine) has mandated, naturally without
any effort to tell us taxpayers what we might face in the way of problems
(carb seals turning to mush, etc.), so be nice when you tell me I have
completely forgotten about the framistan connecting to the gronikle on Suffix
A Series III's.

Doug Scott
2 ea. 72 Series III  and charter member of the BB (hoping for lots of company
on the BB, it will be only as strong as the commitment of its "subscribers" -
Solihull product owners being in place to provide reasonable help to other
Solihull product owners.)

  

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:34:28 -0500
Subject: Zenith Carbs

Re: Zenith carb slop. The fit of the throttle shaft in the carb body is
critical and these carbs, as well as S.U. carbs and others, will wear out the
soft carb body and allow a bad air leak. In order to idle properly the mix is
set too rich which causes poor running in general. If you know a good local
machine shop have them line drill the body, fit bronze bushings, and ream the
bushings, and install a new shaft. If  there are no local companies try
Hemmings Motor News under MG etc. for an S.U. carb specialist. I had mine
fixed local and it worked great, and will outlast a new carb as the bronze to
bronze wont wear out for a long time. Good luck. Andy Blackley 83 RR 4sp. no
power junk Email to AKBlackley@AOL.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 18:28:46 PSZ
From: gmoore@comox.island.net (Greg Moore)
Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion

Has anyone experimented with sacrificial anode?

Cheers,Greg

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From: Pat Hubbard <patito@mail.unicom.net>
Subject: Disco Auto Transmission
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:59:07 -0600

I really like my brand new Discovery, but ...

The auto transmission holds off the 3rd to 4th gear shift until we reach =
52 mph. Does anyone know if this is this normal? Does it mean that 4th =
gear is really an overdrive, or does it mean a trip to the dealer?

Pat Hubbard
Lee's Summit, Missouri

patito@sh3.com

1996 Portofino Red Discovery

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Disco Auto Transmission
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:12:19 -0800

>The auto transmission holds off the 3rd to 4th gear shift until we reach =
>52 mph. Does anyone know if this is this normal? Does it mean that 4th =
>gear is really an overdrive, or does it mean a trip to the dealer?

My '95 is almost the opposite, it up-shifts very early (IMO) so much so,
that I keep the selector in 3rd around town and only use 4th (OD) on the
freeway when it's flat or downhill. The demonstrator's I've driven were like
this, too (which makes marginal acceleration very unimpressive). So, to me,
it sounds like something needs adjustment. Of course, maybe it's mine that
needs the adjustment :-)
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

>The auto transmission holds off the 3rd to 4th gear shift until we reach =

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:12:10 -0500
From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion

Is that the same as retaliating on a spammer ?
-- 
=============================================================  	 
        Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net"
       92 Range Rover (No ABS, No Sway Bars, No Air Bags, No EFI Light)
      Graduate Student, MBA Program, Old Dominion University
      Norfolk, VA, USA  
       (804) 440-5383   
=============================================================

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From: JDSalerno@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:40:57 -0500
Subject: Service manual

My son recently bought a sIII, 88 STW and would like to obtain a service or
owners manual.  Local book stores have very little Land Rover material
available.  Does anyone have a suggestion on how to obtain a  manual?  

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:46 -0500
Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

In a message dated 96-02-22 13:58:53 EST, you write:
>Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly 
>dead...
>Ha...HA,
>Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress
>95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders)  

I must agree wholeheartedly with El Senior Barnetto, if you remember, I
posted earlier that my plushmobile came factory equipped with 2 beverage
holders.  

Now, I try to choose my words carefully, and I said 'beverage' holders
because that would leave open the choice of beverage, I didn't want to say
espresso, or Fresca, or what I wish resided in there more:  Newcastle Brown
Ale (ok, it doesn't really fit neatly), because of the associations the
SERIES OWNERS would make, and of course, post accusatorily with impunity.  

...and now...this.  

I am full of shame.  Embarrassment.  VENGEANCE.    

ok, here it goes:

I DRINK ESPRESSO IN MY LAND ROVER!  AND SOMETIMES I BUY IT ALREADY MADE FOR
ME...INSTEAD OF MAKING IT HOMEBREW STYLE!

Whew!

I'm ok now.  Sorry.   John, D90, with 2 spots for loose change, spray-n-wash
tokens and old fuses (NOW where do I put my espresso?  It's like driving a
Range Rover or a Series...) 

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:19 -0500
Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109

In a message dated 96-02-22 11:33:33 EST, Dave Brown, he  write:

>Just to let you all know (yeah! Like you cared!) that I loaned my RR out
>to my soon to be girlfriend
..;
Some people use greeting cards, some use roses, heck, some even use Pick Up
lines from some book bought at one of those naughty bit stores...and yes,
some, some very special, unique individuals...use Range Rovers.

What a world.  Ya know, it's great to be alive.

Wisconsin John.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Unlocking the central diff-lock

In a message dated 96-02-22 15:17:16 EST, you write:

>BTW it doesn't work for Series LR's as they 'aven't 
>a central diff).

repeat after me: 
Series have no central diff...Series have no central diff...Series have no

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:24 -0500
Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

In a message dated 96-02-22 14:59:13 EST, Dixon, he write:

>The only chap I've seen so far turn the entire front
>	end of his D90 a light brown colour.  Inside and out.

hasn't been on wisconsin roads much, i don't think.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:58 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 Alternators and Warrantee work/ time on the bat. only...

In a message dated 96-02-22 12:34:18 EST, it was  written:

With headlights, taillights, etc you are going to increase that number to
around
22 amps or more. I don't know how one would convert this to and amp/hr rating
though. I did call last night to see how the D90 made it back on Sunday, and
found out that it made the 120 mile drive back without any trouble, and that
was
with headlights on, and starting the car a few times. Without headlights, who
knows how far you could make it. 
===========================================

Hey! My homework proved pretty darn correct!  What did I estimate...just
about 3 hours?  And, I came up with 23 amps in my estimation of the current
draw...SOMEBODY GIMME A JOB!!! 

Where is that Land Rover recruiter when I need 'em.  O yea, I forgot, I'm not
ready to move to England, yet.  

If anyone has one of those wonderful ammeters with the hook on it, go out and
run your car with the lights and wipers on and post the current reading at
the battery cable will ya...I just gotta see what the real answer is!  

John, 94 D90, and the Bosch Handbook...y'all gotta have one of these things!
(and don't forget the horn rimmed glasses, pocket calculator, pocket
protector, and Kraftwerk cassette...)

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:00:03 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: jump on this one!

>From the Salt Lake Tribune Thurs Feb 22, 1996

"61 english land rover 88. safari roof, extra cleen. 4000 actual miles.
price nego. R>H> Bell (801) 896-6615 or 116 No. 500 West Richfiel Utah 84701"

This is not a gag I actually found this in the paper, check for yourselves
sound like a dream for all you antique owners. good luck!
Tebbin salvesen
87 RR   EYS edition

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:30 -0500
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

In a message dated 96-02-22 15:10:47 EST, you write:

>	OVLR Birthday Party is scheduled for June 21-23rd for those
>	interested.  Same location as last year (Silver Lake, Ontario)

Thanks Dixon.  I guess I won't see you this year, you going to owl's head the
following week? 

And is there a contact for that meet on this list?  

Thanks.
John, D90, wedding: June 23rd, hopeful Roverish honeymoon...the following
week.

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:12:15 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: Series Brake Shoes

THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'VE SENT THIS BIT IN TO THE MAJOR (THIRD TIME LUCKY)
:-( 
>Even the genuine shoes are like this, but they come with two self tapping
>screws. It takes a little work to get them started, but I have never had much
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>tap through the holes first.Works a treat,and you *do* have the retaining
>tab to make sure the self tappers dont self untap!
 Our Landies have 2 little bolts (not screws) that hold the "banjo" on the shoe.
>No idea what the banjo is for,though.
 DO NOT ASSEMBLE THE BRAKE SHOES WITHOUT THE BANJO !
 The banjo is to stop the trailing shoes from binding and locking in the drums.

Cheers, Brian Cotton
bcotton@lia.co.za
South Africa

Try this URL   http://www.lia.co.za/users/bcotton/
fore some info on the LROC of SA

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:35:54 -0800
Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion

On Thu, 22 Feb 96, "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> wrote:

>I don't think anything done in an honest attempt to stop corrosion could be 
>called stupid... except maybe using stainless hardware in a structural 
>application...

>From what I understand "extra strength" stainless fasteners are the same 
strength as a grade 5 fastener.  Does anyone know how to get these or how they 
might be identified technically?

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:36:19 -0800
Subject: Re: Mogul bashing

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, SLYKDYK@aol.com wrote:
(I know..I know....LROs don't need plows)....

How does the man who drives the plow get to the plow....?

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:38:56 -0800
Subject: Re: jump on this one!

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us> wrote:

 ....for all you antique owners. good luck!

Them's fightin' words...watch out!  :)

Eric

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From: CrankIt@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:49:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Mile Marker hydro winches

I talked to Mile Marker and they said that they will work fine on LR's but to
expect less than the rated pull because the LR power steering pumps don't
pump to high enough pressure.  They actually suggested replacing the pump
with a Saginaw unit to allow their winch to reach rated pull power.

gene

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:49:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

> Just call Lanny at RN and ask for the 'Mining Rover' kit, so you can go under 
> the wall ;)  If you don't mind being shot at, a few extra snatch blocks will 
> probably get you over...

	Don;t worry, Tundra North with have the factory kits available
	by then.  Current production problems are revolving about the 
	difference between moose and deer...

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From: CrankIt@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:52:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift

Hi-Lift jack fits real nice behind the seats and attached to the cross brace
of the D-90.

gene

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:35:59 -0800
Subject: Re: Brake system maintenance

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, SACME@aol.com wrote:

>I am already severely depressed by Sandy Grice of the Rover Owner's
>Association of Virginia telling me that I can expect serious problems from
>the reformulated gas that our state (Maine) has mandated, 

I ran a few tanks of this through my V8 when I was up there with no ill effects 
so far...are the expected problems only with the older engines or older seals?

Eric

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:03:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

On Fri, 23 Feb 1996 PurnellJE@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks Dixon.  I guess I won't see you this year, you going to owl's head the
> following week? 

	Owl's Head is two weeks after the Birthday Party...  Will be there,
	runnig for a 1st in "most disgusting engine bay" competition...
	Not to be confused with those who use Gunk and other toxic 
	substances that invoke ime\mediate projectile v*m*t***
	when viewed... :-)

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:47:15 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: Swivel Housing Removal

Simon, I think ?

The reason why you can't get that collar off is because it IS a pressfit.
The problem is that it takes about 10 TONNS of pressure to get it on in the
first place !
The common way to get it off is to shatter it and fit a new one but...
When you put the new one on you can heat the collar and GENTLY BASH :-0 it
in place, maybe you can get the old one off the same way but heating it in
the shaft is a bit more tricky.

Have fun
Cheers Brian
LROC of Southern Africa

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:02:22 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: 4-wheel high?

Gentlemen, lets broaden our minds !

There is a cover that bolts onto the front of the front output shaft housing
to keep mud and gunge from fowling the two shafts that operate the high
range gears inside the output shaft housing, anyway, grit caused the above
mentioned shafts to stick and render 4WD High inoperative on my girlfriends
Landy, clean them, knock them abit and lube them then all might work again.    

Cheers
Brian
LROC of Southern Africa

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:26:01 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Re: Arctic LR Disco Survial

>I'm about to purchase a 1996 Disco and will be driving it to Fairbanks AK
>in the Spring.  Im wondering if anyone has any advise on winterizing the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>in the Spring.  Im wondering if anyone has any advise on winterizing the
>Disco?  Will all of the factory lubes perform ok, IE: engine, diff and

Well hello Mel,

You should pay some attention to the washerfliud, cause it will freeze at 0 C.
LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
                ____
      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Discovery, VG-XH-66
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#         "The Chameleon"
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
[|_/  \|_____|_/  \_|]
  ( o )        ( o )

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:28:24 +0100 (MET)

Hi
Barnett writes:
> Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and  
> store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of 
> the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's 
> important, but this...?
Maybe it's just a seasonal problem related to the Serie heaters? Even that
thing I have in my 110 lets me drive at least in think pullover etc.
I onnestly thought about taking a thermocan of tea with me (fits better
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:52:13 +0000 (GMT)
From: hugh.davies@rnb.com (Hugh J.E. Davies)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

> From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> into account non unity loads.
> Someone with knowledge will tell us.

You're thinking of power factors, which are applied to all loads
that are not purely resistive. But, it only applies to AC supplies,
not DC like in cars.

Regards,

Hugh.

('89 Range Rover Vogue Efi Automatic. And 4 foot snowdrifts, at the moment.)

-----
Hugh J.E. Davies, AVP Unix Support,
Republic National Bank, 30 Monument Street, London.
This is *NOT* an official publication of RNB.
Personal email to huge@axalotl.demon.co.uk, please.

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:56:53 +0000 (GMT)
From: hugh.davies@rnb.com (Hugh J.E. Davies)
Subject: Galvanic corrosion

What I've done on the front wings (fenders) of my '89 RR is to replace the
mild steel that holds the tops of the inner and outer wings together
with a piece of stainless steel angle and stainless steel bolts. It's
worth having a look round your local ships chandler since they have a lot
of usefull hardware, and electrolytic corrosion is a way of life on
boats.

Regards,

Hugh.

-----
Hugh J.E. Davies, AVP Unix Support,
Republic National Bank, 30 Monument Street, London.
This is *NOT* an official publication of RNB.
Personal email to huge@axalotl.demon.co.uk, please.

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:08:19 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Leaky master cilinder

Philippe Carchon wrote:
> The master cilinder of my clutch is leaky for a while now and became > worse when it became cold outside. 

Sounds like the piston seals became inelastic due to the cold, not 
allowing them to expand under pressure to create an adequate seal.

Could be time to replace the seals. Have fun.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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From: monk@math.udel.edu
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:24:05 -0500
Subject: Unlocking the center diff.

Our local dealer told me that I didn't need to worry about the
locking light.  They said to select (for example) unlock/hi-ratio
(usually the light stays on) and then drive.  Sooner or later the
light will go off (and it has so far....). Is this good advice or
should I be more careful?

Thanks
Peter (1996 Disco - watertight and healthy)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
     Department of Mathematical Sciences      Phone: 302-831-1873
     University of Delaware                   FAX  : 302-831-4511
     Newark, DE 19716
     USA 

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:28:18 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Hugh J.E. Davies wrote:

> You're thinking of power factors, which are applied to all loads
> that are not purely resistive. But, it only applies to AC supplies,
> not DC like in cars.
> Thanks, Hugh. I knew someone would set me straight.
-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:41:30 GMT -0600
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

 
> WARNING!!! READ FIRST!!!! (This post contains humorous content. The author 
 assumes no responsibility for anyone who takes this post seriously. This 
 post is an attempt at humor. Any resemblance to anyone living or dead is 
> purely coincidental!) 
-
dag-nab-it, you went and spoiled it! I always take everything I read 
here as the gospel. Just ask Dixon.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:45:37 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Mercedes Question, D110 owner?, MA, USA

Not completely on topic, so I'll keep it short.  Saw an awesome Mercedes
4wd in Weston, MA, USA the other day.  First thought it was a unimog, not
knowing what one was.  Checked on net and found it wasn't, so I'm guessing
it is a g-wagon.  Anyone know where I can find a picture of one on the web
so I can confirm?  Anyone know who the owner is?

Also, is the owner of the White D110 in this area on the net?  I've waved
twice in the past couple of weeks, but no response.  (Don't think this was
you, Jim, as (a) I assume you'd wave back, and (b) seen in Weston/Wayland
area near 27/126.

Sorry for the local topic, but no way to choke down distribution I know of.
-Bob Virzi

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:48:06 -0500
Subject: Discovery diagnostic readout codes!

I have good news: Discoveries have a digital diagnostic readout 
box built in; it's under the passenger seat, facing backwards, and
looks like a black plastic box about 1" x 2.5" x 3".  It's actually
deep red semitransparent plastic and it contains a red LED readout
with no segments illuminated if nothing's broke.  It's clipped under
the seat, and can be unclipped and positioned where the driver can
see it.

It doesn't give anything close to what Testbox gives, but it's 
in the car already.  (note- this may or may not apply to the 96's 
with OBD II systems built in)

The folks at Land Rover Metro West even gave me a photocopy of the
codes, which I reproduce below:

--- human typein follows  ---

Description of fault codes:

The fault codes are listed in order of priority.  Where more than
one fault exists, clearing the first fault code will permit
the next code to be displayed.

Note: fault code 02 will show if the ECU has just been reconnected.
Switch on ignition to clear the display.

Clearing fault code display"

It is necessary to clear the code displayed when the fault
has been rectified, and to access any further fault codes that may 
exist.  Clear the fault code displayed by the following procedure:

1) Switch ON ignition.

2) disconnect serial link mating plug, wait 5 seconds, reconnect.

3) switch OFF ignition, wait for main relay to drop out.

4) Switch ON ignition.  The display should now be reset.  If no 
other faults exist, and the original fault has been rectified,
the display will be blank.

5) if multiple faults exist repeat steps 1  to 4, as each
fault is cleared the code will change until all faults are 
cleared.  The display will now be blank.

CODE 29 - ECU memory check.  If this fault is detected, all other
faults are unreliable and must gheerefore be ignored.

Proceed as follows:

1) leave battery connected
2) switch ignition off
3) wait for approximately 5 seconds
4) disconnect ECU plug.
5) reconnect ECU plug
6) switch ignition on and check display unit.

	NOTE: if fault code 29 is detected again, 
	substitute ECU and restart test sequence.

CODE 44 - Lambda sensor A - left bank
CODE 45 - Lambda sensor B - right bank

If one of these fault codes is displayed check the wiring to
that particular lambda sensor. 

If both codes are displayed, the voltage supply to the heater coils
of the sensors must be checked.  Refer to test 26, continuity test 
procedure.

CODE 25 - Ignition misfire

This code indicates that an ignition system misfire has been 
detected.  Codes 40 or 50 indicate on which bank the misfire
has occurred.

CODE 40 - Misfire bank A - left bank
CODE 50 - Misfire bank B - right bank

If both fault codes are displayed, check the following components
common to both banks:

Distributor cap
rotor arm
coil
electrical connectioins
pick-up (air gap)
amplifier
injectors (if code 34 or 36 is displayed)

If either fault code 40 or 50 is displayed check components
applicable to the particular bank that the misfire has occurred on.

Spark plugs
HT leads
distributor cap
Injectors - if code 34 bank A or 36 bank B displayed

CODE 12 - Airflow meter.  Refer to test 19, continuity test procedure.

CODE 21 - fuel tune select - identifies that the tune select resistor
is open circuit- refer to tune select resistor test.

CODE 34 - Injector bank A - dhe display will indicate if the 
injector(s) are causing the engine to run rich or lean.

If the bank is running rich, check for - faulty injector wiring and
connectors, stuck open injectors.

If the bank is running lean, check for - faulty injector wiring and
connectors, blocked injectors.

CODE 36 - Injector bank B - as code 34, except relevant to bank
A injectors.

CODE 14 - Coolant thermistor - refer to test 14, continuity test procedure.

CODE 17 - Throttle potentio meter - refer to test 17, continuity test
procedure.

CODE 18 - Throttle potentiometer input high/airflow meter low - refer to
tests 17, 18, and 19 of the continuity test procedure.

CODE 19 - Throttle potentiometer input low/airflow meter high - refer to 
tests 17, 18, and 19 of the continuity test procedure.

CODE 88 - Purge valve leak - refer to test 9 and 10 of the continuity
test procedure.

CODE 28 - Air leak - check for air leaks in the following areas:

hose, air flow meter to plenum
breather system hoses to plenum
brake servo hose
vacuum reservoir hose (fresh air solenoid)
distributor vacuum advance
hose, purge valce to plenum
injector seals
joint -	bypass air valve to plenum
	plenum chamber to ram housing
	ram housing to inlet manifold
	inlet manifold to cylinder head
	bypass air valve hose

CODE 23 - Fuel supply - check fuel system pressure, test 20 of continuity
test procedure.

CODE 48 - Stepper motor - check base idle speed- see setting procedure.  
Refer to tests 15 and 16 of continuity test procedure.  Check road
speed sensor- refer to test 25 of continuty test procedure.

CODE 68 - Road speed sensor - refer to test 25 of continuity test procedure.

CODE 69 - Gearswitch - refer to test 24 of continuity test procedure.

CODE 59 - group faults 23/28.  This indicates that a fault has been
registered that is caused by the fuel spply or an air leak but the 
exact fault cannot be identified.  Check all items outlined under
codes 23 and 28.

Code 59 - Fuel thermistor - Refer to test 13 of the continuity
test procedure.

	-Bill

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 13:30:00 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: cup holders etc

Barnett, you said "Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular 
phones, 
installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you 
can freshen up a bit on the trail! "

Well alright, but we are still the types that cook on the manifold, have 
"Roadkill Cooking Guides", and weld vices onto the bumper. Personally I have 
no time for this coffee guzzling stuff, but if I *have* drink, its either 
stored wedged between the backrest and seat cushion, or I use velcro to stick 
it to the dash. If you can't cut biltong on your Series dash then you haven't 
lived yet.

Matthew
"Eat biltong, carry a big stick"
ZA

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:18:20 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels

Thanks to  Steve Margolis for saving my "drivel"
-
I finally found the catalog from the company that makes the automatic 
turbo oiler .

Turbo Power
2317 De La Cruz Blvd.
Santa Clara, CA 95050
408-748-0151
A division of Gillum Turbo Systems, Inc.

This is an '87 catalog so I don't know if they are still in business.
The unit was called the Tturbo Life oiling system, PN TL1A and listed 
for $189 then.

They aslo sell/sold turbos, kits and parts.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:21:26 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

> ....or perhaps a big ramp...where's that guy who wanted to do 180s?

Last I heard it was something about his seatbelt failing, and the 
bull bar cables and, well.....
Stop me Dixon.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:26:01 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what?

John,
There's two important factors I didn't see in the calcs. Age of 
battery, and level of charge when the alternator goes. Both of these 
would be difficult to factor in, the former being the hardest I would 
think. 

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:22:48 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Pat asks:

 "The auto transmission hodls off the 3rd o 4th gear shift until we reach
 52 mph.  Does anyone know if this is normal?  Does it mean that 
 4th gear is really an overdrive, or does it mean a trip to the dealer?

That's not 4'th gear, that's the lockup clutch on the torque converter.
The Disco auto trans (a ZF24HP) has four gear ratios forward PLUS a 
locking converter.  The four speeds are shifted automatically on both
road speed, engine RPM, and throttle, and the converter lockup happens 
on road speed and throttle, nominally at 50 to 53 MPH.  

You're probably not hearing the 1-2 shift, which happens at very low speed.

And yes, fourth gear is an overdrive and fourth with the converter
locked is _very_ overdrive.  :-)

	-Bill (who went over the service manual last weekend - bored
		to tears, I was! )

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:30:00 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Series Lightweight Questions

> Are there any lightweight owners/knowledgeable people out there
> willing to answer some questions about them (probably private
> is best to save bandwidth)?

Fire away. However, if they are mechanical/electrical questions the 
lightweights are almost identical to SIIa & SIII 88's so many on this 
list could answer them I imagine. 

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:28:07 -0800
Subject: Re: jump on this one!

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us> wrote:

> ....for all you antique owners. good luck!

Some things strike a resonance in people's souls and are made well enough to
last.  These "antique" Land Rovers are such a thing.  There is something
about the charisma, the way that it puts you into life and lets you feel
alive and participating in life that draws certain kinds of souls and
invigorates them.

Since there isn't a lot of them, its fortunate that not all souls strike a
cord with the series Land Rovers.  Most souls seem content to experience life
vicariously through television and books... living other people's fantasies.
 Still others want to live their own lives, but want it sanitized and
comfortable.  Thankfully, for this group there are Range Rovers and motels.

TeriAnn

"Life's too short not to drive a roadster, to drink bad wine, or not to drive
a series I,II,IIA,III,Stage 1 ,or Defender Land Rover....Make the most of it
while you can"

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:32:35 -0800
Subject: Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift

> Hi-Lift jack fits real nice behind the seats and attached to the
> cross braceof the D-90.

> gene

Gene, at last an elegent solution to a problem that has been palguing US spec
D90 owners.  The jack is firmly stored, out of the weather.

I was never convinced that the Hi-Lift jack was sturdy enough to make a
proper front bumper protector, and its way to heavy to have bouncing loose
with your camping gear.

I'm happy that someone seems to have come up with a sensable solution.

TeriAnn
They fit behind the seat on a 2 door 109

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:39:12 -0800
Subject: Re: Swivel Housing Removal

----------------------------- Begin Original Text
-----------------------------

> The common way to get it off is to shatter it and fit a new one but...

> When you put the new one on you can heat the collar and
 > GENTLY BASH :-0 it
 > in place, maybe you can get the old one off the same way but 
> heating it in the shaft is a bit more tricky.

If the bearing is hot from a propane tourch and the hub is cool, you should
be able to drop it on and have the bearing fall into place before it cools
down.  You need to male sure the stub hub's shaft is clean and smooth,
sitting upright.   Drop the bearing  using your surplus Norton Bomb site as
soon as possible after removing heat.

I even went as far as stuffing the hub full of ice.

The other way is to take it to an automotice machine shop where they can
properly press it on with a big press for a few dollars.

TeriAnn

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:46:34 -0800
Subject: Re: 50th Tour of RSA

Anyone have a feel for the cost of shipping a 109 from West coast US to South
Aferica?

East coast US to South Aferica?

Reads like an adventure with photo ops to me

TeriAnn

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 23 Feb 96  9:15:22 EST
Subject: Re: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

In response to your question about the tea-heater:

Personally, i'd wrap a section of the manifold with large-diameter stainless 
tubing. Add a small reservoir at either end and a non-return valve at the cold 
side and you've the makings of a very nice camper water-heater. The temeratures 
there are more than adequate to heat a fair quantity of water, and an insulated 
reservoir would keep it hot for hours.

A far easier hookup, though, would be to add an on-demand electric heater to 
your kitchen sink. These can provide instantaneous 160F water with not a 
helluva lot of current, and would seem to me to be easier. Also give you hot 
water for food prep and washing-up, too....

Talk to a camper-goods supplier - they're not all that expensive.

    aj"Being practical for once"r

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:03:21 -0500
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

>Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and
>store coffee mugs?

>Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones,
>installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you

Gee, as the coffee drinking  owner of a Spillmaster Jr. Drink holder,
Cellular, and CD equipped Series IIa I could really resemble that remark!
It's a good thing I respect Barnett for *really using* (and so nicely
equipping)  his 90 or I'd...  No worries mate, I come equipped with a
well-developed sense of humor! :-)

RoverOn!

JAB

==                                                                      ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
                          ==================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)
==                                                                      ==

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:13:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Series Lightweight Questions

In a message dated 96-02-22 20:00:48 EST, you write:

>Are there any lightweight owners/knowledgeable people out there
>willing to answer some questions about them (probably private
>is best to save bandwidth)?

Hey, don't write it privately, this is exactly why the list is here.  I need
to hear all this Series info, too.  There's gonna be a day when others
attempt to make me a laughing stock for not knowing something about Series,
and your posts may help me save face.  I already lost part of it on the
center diff deal...
John :>) 

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From: 73363.427@compuserve.com
Date: 23 Feb 96 11:13:45 EST
Subject: Discovery diagnostic readout codes!

>> 2) disconnect serial link mating plug, wait 5 seconds, reconnect. <<

Anybody have a clue what this is, I found no reference to it in the RR manual
except for the above line.

  
     -------------------       
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_______________________]
     EEEI           EEEI

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 23-Feb-1996

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 11:17:56 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

Jeff,
I already surendered this morning!

Rover on!

Barnett
(Nothin' on the radio anyhow, and HOW do you get the towels in the air 
locker?)
Childress

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From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 11:17:39 EST
Subject: Bowie, MD vs *Bodie*, CA

TeriAnn,

Have been to both, though did Bodie pre-LR (unfortunately).  
There's a parking area outside of "town," and a short walk 
to actually get into Bodie proper.  Just as well, 'cause a 
Series II parked next to the old schoolhouse would just 
delay your eventual departure because of all the tourists 
snapping photos of each other standing in front of "the old 
West car!"  Would be a nice tame day trip for a bunch of 
untamed LROs just the same.

Anyway, Bodie is worth a look, a National Park site, I 
think, right outa Gunsmoke.  Bowie, well that's right outa, 
I dunno, Brady Bunch or something "suburbian" like that.

Living in Eastern Suburbia but yearning 
for the high Nevada desert,
Hank
(formerly with NV tags "BRIT4X4")

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From: Gene Sparks <galleryg@techline.com>
Subject: New source for Land Rover parts on the Internet
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:29:27 -0800

It might interest some of you that there is a new place to buy Land =
rover parts and accessories on the net. The address is =
http://www.techline.com/~europart It's a nice page with lots of LR links =
and their prices are great. I've bought from this company before and had =
a good experience. (I got a Brush guard for my Disco for $375) I just =
recently ordered LR Safari 5000 lamps for only $119. My dealer wanted =
$175 for these little jewels. They have a LR Gift section and Clothing =
section too but they seem incomplete so far.

Gene
96 Disco 5 speed w/character dent
Proud member of Birmabright brotherhood 

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:30:12 -0500
Subject: 1995 D90 Bullbar Wanted
From: "Andrew A. Dallas" <adallas@systemsoft.com>

Anyone out there have a D90 Bullbar for sale? Perhaps one of you people 
who was searching for winch options might have an extra now.
-AD

************************************************************************
 Andrew A. Dallas
 Full Spectrum Software, Inc.
 30 Whittemore Road
 Newton, MA 02158, USA

 (617) 965-7580, On Site Office: (508) 647-2948
 email: adallas@tiac.net, Web Page: http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/
************************************************************************

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:46:20 -0600 (CST)
From: ccray@showme.missouri.edu
Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what?

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 PurnellJE@aol.com wrote:

> Thought I'd post this note on this list also, problem is how long do you have
> to drive after your alternator fails, and you are running on your single 12V
> battery alone.  Can anyone see problems with my calcs?  I am using the

FWIW, i drove across kansas from 12midnight to dawn -- say 5:30am -- two
summers ago with a bum generator.  headlights got very dim towards dawn, 
but never a problem.   brand new sears die-hard at the time.  drove 
another 1+ hours before stopping for breakfast.  2.0 hours on a fast 
charger -- say 40amps or so.  thendrove for 3 days without using the 
lights on that charge.  always used the starter.

ray harder (siia 88 (lulu))

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 09:00:55 -0700
From: Slade@sisna.com (Michael Slade)
Subject: Re: Swivel Housing Removal

TeriAnn wrote:
>I even went as far as stuffing the hub full of ice.
>The other way is to take it to an automotice machine shop where they can
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>properly press it on with a big press for a few dollars.
>TeriAnn

I did something similar w/my last hub job.

I put the hub in the freezer overnight (wrapped in a plastic bag) and then
the next day I put the collar on top of a 100W light bulb for about an
hour.  I didn't have a propane torch and wouldn't know how to use one if I
did (didn't want to blow up the apartment).

The collar slipped on without incident, but not without a couple of nudges
from a wooden mallet, but it went on nicely.

Getting the old one off was another thing though!

Michael
slade@sisna.com
'70 109 Station Wagon

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From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 12:12:53 EST
Subject: Re: 109s/Coffee/Macho, etc.

True story, personal experience....

A few years ago, before the Def 90 and Disco invasion, I 
drove the beast to work here outside of DC.  1960 Ser 2 109 
SW, tyre on the bonnet, pseudo-olive drab PO paint, big mud 
flaps with logo, etc.  (No cell phone, no CD player, no 
heat...)

My co-worker, a real spritzer-swilling starving artist 
playwrite wannabe had a friend visit at work, a 
peripheral-type Hollyweed participant, 
sometimes-working-sometimes-not but always in therapy trying 
to figure out what to be when she grows up (30s).  They're 
yacking, reassuring each other that it's okay not to let real 
responsibility interfere with pursuing one's dreams, lack of 
talent notwithstanding, when she says to him, " hey, did you 
see that truck out there."  "That's Hank's vehicle" says he, 
causing her to be amazed for about the third time now.  She 
responds that the driver of such a vehicle would surely be a 
"*Hero*" out where she is.

As I see it, problem is that anyone who intentionally drove 
a 30plus-year-old LWB Safari as a "keeper" *and* was 
interested in such hero "status" would necessarily be 
suffering from multiple personality disorder.  

Gotta run -- working on a new idea for a romantic comedy 
screenplay... (Just kidding)

Love my Disco, but the *old* L-R what makes me a look like a 
hero to my kids, and who else matters?

Never-Offensive Hank

"The mind wobbles"  -  Kelly Bundy

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From: "Steve Methley" <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:46:59 +0000
Subject: Re: Series Lightweight Questions

Clinton asks:

>Are there any lightweight owners/knowledgeable people out there...

Sure....
--
Best Regards,
Steve.

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 09:53:28 PST
From: Chuck Huston <huston@com>
Subject: SF Bay Area - Discovery Advice

Hi Net,

I live in Fairfield, CA and work in Walnut Creek (East SF Bay Area).  My wife
and I are thinking about buying a LR Discovery and find that our closest Rover
dealer is Cole European (Walnut Creek).  I also think there's a dealer in 
Sacramento (my wife's home town).

1)  Have you had good experience with this dealership (purchase/service)
and/or can you recommend any others within driving distance?

2)  We currently own a 4dr/4wd Explorer but, since we like the Disco's
spec's much better, we thought it would be a good vehicle "upgrade" - any
advice?

Thanks,

Chuck
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 09:46:22 PST
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: D90 Tow hooks and Batteries

Tow hooks:

Front:  Genuine Land Rover Military tow loops, from Rovers North, BP, your
dealer, etc.  are probably the easiest, cleanest way to go.  They bolt
on the frame just back of the bumper.

Rear:  Can just loop a cable throught the receiver hitch.  Many of us
us a receiver -> shackle adaptor.  Just makes life a bit easier.  Warn
makes them and they are available at almost any 4x4 store.  (Actually lots
of companies make them.)

Batteries:

Two Optimas fit easily in the D90 battery compartment.  I've also got
the solenoids for my winch in there.   I plan on eventually putting a
solenoid to allow multiple battery configurations in there to.

-Rick
'94 D90    

Richard Larson
LSI Logic Corporation
(408) 433-7149

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:11:30 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: RR fuel tank recall

I had the recall service done on my '88 RR, and paid nothing.  
-Matt

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:55:29 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

>> ....or perhaps a big ramp...where's that guy who wanted to do 180s?

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>bull bar cables and, well.....
>Stop me Dixon.
Do no such thing,Dixon.Come on Tom,more,more.....
Mike Rooth

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:26:35 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Driving the 109 or ouch that coffee's hottt!

> I got an official LR GOJO travel coffee mug as a gift from LR Metro West 
-
Hmmm, I've heard of adding a lot of flavors, and even tried a few, to 
coffee, but GOJO is a new one on me. I've only used it for cleaning 
my hands. Now, was it the variety with pumice or sans pumice, and was 
it the regular flavor, or the new orange flavor?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:34:43 -0500
Subject: Rented a disco
From: wheelman@pipeline.com (Lee Levitt)

So this week I rented a Disco in San Jose...spent 3 days driving around
getting a really good feel for the Disco... 
 
I had previously testdriven one briefly, and this extended drive gave me a
better perspective on its handling/comfort/usability... 
 
I was really impressed...very comfortable overall...I don't alway like the
ergonomics of cars' cockpits...and I *did* like the Disco a lot... 
 
I was also quite impressed with the driveability and tossability of the
Disco around town...drove it kinda hard, in fact, and it just stuck to the
pavement... 
 
Which unfortunately, I wasn't able to leave...The road to Santa Cruz was
washed out with mud slides, and I figured it was a perfect opportunity to
check out the Disco's offroad capabilities, but most of the rest of the
cars on their way to Santa Cruz didn't have similar capabilities, and a 50
minute ride would have taken 4 hours...so I skipped it. 
 
If anyone wants to rent a Disco, I'd recommend calling the local Enterprise
office (wherever you're travelling to) and ask them if they have one or if
they know of another office that does...it took me a little work to find
one, and I've already reserved it for my next trip to the area... 
 
Now if only they had the 4.6 SE... 
 
BTW, now that I've gotten some good seat time in the Disco, my next mission
is to go drive a late model Rangie and figure out which one I really
want... :) 
 
Lee 
 
-- 
----- 
Lee Levitt 
wheelman@pipeline.com 
 

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 14:18:23 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Leaky master cilinder

Hi, 
The master cilinder of my clutch is leaky for a while now and became worse 
when it became cold outside. ...snip... Now (2 weeks later) the 
pedal isn't feeling spongy anymore, the thing doesn't leak anymore (to be 
honest a very, very small amount) and I didn't bleed the system !...snip...
is a Landy such a good car that it even repairs itself...  

My clutch hydraulics are in a similar state right now. I was 200 miles from home
with NO clutch. Bled them, and it was fine. I have to refill it about once a 
week. Cold weather makes them leak more, so if it's warmed up then it probably 
wont leak as much. You're better off replacing it then having it give up the 
ghost without warning. Also if it's leaking from the M/C than you are getting 
brake fluid on the firewall, and it is eating your paint. Mine leaks from the 
slave into the bell housing, where it mixes with all the other leaks. I plan on 
replacing mine *soon* but for now I am practicing speed shifting just in case...

Cheers
David Bobeck
Washington  DC USA
'72 SIII 88

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 14:20:02 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Galvanic corrosion

>From what I understand "extra strength" stainless fasteners are the same 
strength as a grade 5 fastener.  Does anyone know how to get these or how they 
might be identified technically?

Interesting. Looking at McMaster Carr catalog... here it is...

304 Stainless Steel "for high temperature service" Min. tensile 
strength-75,000psi/ Min. yield strngth 30,000 psi.
18-8 stainless steel- Min. tensile strength 75,000 psi.
Grade 8 High Strngth- Min. tensile strength 150,000 psi.
Grade 5 - minimum tensile strngth 120,000 psi.
for Grade 5's minimum tensile strngth decreases for bolts ove 1" diameter, to a 
low of 90,000psi for bolts over 1 1/2" diameter. 
Grade 2"Standard Strength bolts are rated for 74,000 psi.
Titanium- Min. tensile strength 40,000 psi. strngth declines as temperature 
increases
Alloy 20 Stainless Steel- Min. Tensile strength- 85,000psi
Monel (nickel copper alloy 400) min. tensile strength 80,00 psi
Silicon bronze- Minimum tensile strngth 75,000 psi.

Hope this is helpful.
Dave B.

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 14:23:21 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Driving the 109 or ouch that coffee's hottt!

Glad to see you learning so fast, Barnett.:-) 

Expresso, flavored coffee, Grey Pupon BAD!!!!!

I'll settle for eSpresso, but I prefer turkish coffee, it's got alot more of 
that sludge in the bottom. Sort of like my air filter. i have to admit that 
those little miniature cups make me feel a bit silly though. 

Hope to see some of you at the Downeast rally in Maine!

I may have to choose between that and OVLR B'day Party. I like the sound of a 45
mile off road...

(No fear of adding that factory CD player/subwoofer now).

Hmm. Interesting concept. CD's I don't know about. I still stand by  my "Sears 
Special", mounted where only the passenger can reach it. (definitely a SPOT, 
fortunately one of very few). Although some would fault me even for having that.
Childress
95 D90 (not a "plushie" just some of the same "civilized options").

Give it a few decades.

Cheers

Dave "Pinkies up" B.

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From: PETER ESTIBEIRO - CGR <PETERE@srv0.bio.ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:05:26 +0000
Subject:       Stripping swivels

>>I'm trying to remove the swivel ball from the housing, as the whole unit 
requires a major overhaul.  The whole lot is siting on the floor and I have 
removed the retaining collar (axle side) the one that bolts on, but have 
been unable to remove the one under this which seems (from the workshop 
manual) just to be a press fit just and retains the seal.  Looks like the 
thing has seized<<

I've just stripped and rebuilt a swivel housing on my SIII.  The 
thing under the retaining collar is part of  the oil seal, it protrudes 
slightly and in my experience can't be removed without destroying it. 
 As you should replace it anyway this doesn't matter!!  Hold a chisel 
against it and belt it with your biggest hammer.  It should knock out 
of its housing and you can then lever it the rest of the way.
Good luck
Peter.
SIII 109 safari
SI 86"
>.

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:28:36 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Frog LW

On TV it looked like Jacques Chirac uses a LWB Lightweight for parades.

I thought that France supplied themselves with ministry and gov'ment cars??

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:28:34 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109

In message Thu, 22 Feb 96 12:01:10 EST,
  "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>  writes:

> SIII plushie. The only  real problem is trying to eat or roll cigarettes

> leaving my hands free to perform other "tasks". I can almost roll a
> stoger while driving the 88 but they usually come out sort  of lumpy.

If there is a strong wind from the side on the motorway it can be very
exciting to roll a smoke in a 109. Perhaps they are right about smoking and
health and all that. I once tried to roll one in my brothers 88 but that
little thing is like a wild pony. Half a pack landed on the floor. "Gimme a
smoke, bro".
A good trophy exercise could be rolling cigarettes and drinking coffee in an
88, driving over potholes in the city while frying saussages on the
manifold, running a dog over and dropping oil slicks at specified intervals.
This should really separate us living people from the decaf nonsmoking health
food anti pollution be nice to animals crowd.

Naa...too macho. Skip the potholes.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:12:21 -0500
From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Given the recent delay in the digest, this comment may be of late 
interest. But, there was no additional charge for a fuel filter or 
anything else when my RR tank was replaced.

Shaun Carrigan
'88 RR

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:45:26 -0500
From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Mark Talbot's recent offer of a bull bar (I was too late) has got me 
thinking about installing a winch (and bar?) on my '88 Range Rover.

There must be many options, including the official ($$$) bar / winch kit 
I see in the Atlantic British catalog. I'm looking for the ideal 
solution (price and reasonable performance).

How much pulling capacity does one really need to pull through the 
occasional mudhole or ditch? I've seen "portable" winches advertised 
that are basically a plastic-housed block and tackle with a motor 
attached. Anybody every used or seen one?

Are you better off with or without the bar? What about weight and 
battery considerations? I'm looking for a little off-road security, not 
a megabuck conversion. Thanks to all.

Shaun Carrigan
'88 RR

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:40:00 -0500
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

In a message dated 96-02-23 01:07:52 EST, you write:

>	Owl's Head is two weeks after the Birthday Party...  Will be there,
>	runnig for a 1st in "most disgusting engine bay" competition...

Given what I read is the natural proclivity of Land Rovers to constantly
flush all oil seals with clean engine oil to prevent ingress of sand and
foreign matter, your drive to Owl's Head should help you win that
competition, no?

John.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:40:13 -0500
Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

In a message dated 96-02-23 11:09:48 EST, you write:

>A far easier hookup, though, would be to add an on-demand electric heater to

your kitchen sink. These can provide instantaneous 160F water with not a 
>helluva lot of current, and would seem to me to be easier. Also give you hot

>water for food prep and washing-up, too....

If you give me the specs, I will calculate/factor/figure exactly how much tea
you can make, and hands can be washed, to leave you with an hours worth  of
radio in your battery while you wait for someone to find you and give you a
jump start.
JOhn. 

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:40:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what?

In a message dated 96-02-23 10:28:08 EST, you write:

>John,
>There's two important factors I didn't see in the calcs. Age of 
>battery, and level of charge when the alternator goes. Both of these 
>would be difficult to factor in, the former being the hardest I would 
>think. 
Definately correct, and yea, the factors I used were indeed based on a fully
charged, excellent condition battery of course.
John. 

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:40:49 -0500
Subject: Re: Driving the 109 or ouch that coffee's hottt!

In a message dated 96-02-23 07:30:59 EST, you write:

>t, and it fits quite smartly 
>in my factory Defender twin beverage holders! (and doesn't interfere with 
>the center diff lock). 

I didn't know that Defenders had center diff locks?  I knew about the
beverage holders though.

John, 94 D90

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:02:35 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Twisted attachments

Sorry to be so slow in responding, but somehow I did not get a digest for 
two days, and by the time they arrived my hands were shaking so badly that I 
could not hold the mouse steady. And I had to go and talk to my friend, too, 
before answering.

Tom Rowe wrote:
>Dixon writes:
>> 	While I have you here, I recall that you have the rear pto coffee
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>rear one. If you did that I'd install a pair of the bull bar to roof 
>rack wires. That way your road kill would be sliced already for you.

Tom - been there, not worth it, does not really slice. Damn things are too 
thick, and the LR is too slow, and the little animals are too tough, they 
just slide up the cable and accumulate in the roof rack, which makes the car 
topheavy. However, since the local health authorities are getting concerned 
about the cost of injuries caused by bull bars anyway, my friend and I have 
started developing a razor-blade-style attachment to the bull bar that is 
normally vertical, but will turn horizontal on impact and kill instead of 
just maiming, thus saving both health cost and future pensions. Maybe that 
could be modified for slicing little animals, with the slices falling into a 
removable galvanized grill between the bumper and the breakfast which would 
fit on the manifold. My friend and I could certainly make the wire grill, 
galvanizing is still very cheap in Slovakia where they have lots of 
unspoiled environment that needs to be fixed anyway.

>And if you modified the hopper on the grinder, and hit at the right 
>speed, why, you wouldn't even need to get out of your Landy to feed 
>the mill. I'm sure Peter HIrsch's friend could modify the coffee mill 
>with a meat grinder attachment.

I talked to him, and he would rather add a separate grinder to the gearing 
since a lot of people like a cup of coffee while they wait for their meal to 
be prepared. All depends on whether we can get the heavy duty Salisbury 
axles for the intermediate gear so it can run two attachments. 

>> 	While this could be messy, wouldn't a sparkplug mounted on the side
>> 	of the grinder in conjuction with running the FRT6A5 via the ARB
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>can't say for sure because I only have the ARB Locker, not an 
>actual ARB. But I also don't like to get FRT's around my food.

My friend and I do not recommend this. All LR's are extremely reliable, and 
the suggested power supply for the self-cleaning attachment to the grinder 
would be dependent on many rather unreliable influences, like for instance 
the Lucas wiring and switches for the sparkplug. However, my friend is sure 
he will come up with a feasible solution, probably involving lots of 
galvanizing.

>bon appetite

Aren't we disgusting?
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:02:29 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: FWH stickers

Dave Bobeck wrote:
>Contemplating
>some sort of sticker for the dashboard as reminder to get out and >lock the 
damn 
>things.

Dave - just in case you want something reasonably original, there is an 
official Land-Rover warning plate. You can get a very nice remake from the 
Series One Club for 4 GBP plus postage. If you are interested, mail me directly.

>I've seen alot of Rovers w/o them, so obviously you don't need them, and they 
>could be a big pain if most of your use is off road...I personally like them. 

Actually I heard of people who put them on all four wheels as an anti-theft 
device. Unlock all four when you walk leave the car, and a lot of funriders 
would be baffled. Seems to work in Africa and Asia, too.
Good Freewheeling
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:02:49 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

Barnett wrote:

>Okay guys;
>I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's 
>important, but this...?

Well, Barnett, is your memory that bad? There was a very serious message 
here not so long ago about the total incompatibility of drinking (even beer) 
and driving (even Series vehicles). *Everybody* immediately switched to 
coffee. Since we are talking American coffee, you have to drink it all the 
time to stay awake - in some European countries it would be sufficient to 
have a cup of coffee while you are refuelling, which is every two hours or 
so with a Series L-R anyway. so it is only natural that we are not talking 
beer bottles any more, but coffee. And remember the only radio talk was 
about a center PTO driven radio!
 
>Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, 
>installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you 
>can freshen up a bit on the trail! 

No, I don't think so. Although - who knows? My friend might come up with a 
hot towel dispenser that works off the center PTO and uses the manifold 
heat... Have to talk to him about that. Anyway, the towels would be bronze 
green, I assure you.

>Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly 
>dead...

Come on now!! Snap out of it!! (I am slapping your face, left-right-left. 
You break down, sobbing hysterically. My hand is on your shoulder while I say)
No, Barnett, it isn't so!

>Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress
>95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders)  

Peter Hirsch
Real Series Vehicle
Real European Country

P.S.: Sorry-I read that too late:

>WARNING!!! READ FIRST!!!! (This post contains humorous content. The author 
>assumes no responsibility for anyone who takes this post seriously. This 
>post is an attempt at humor. Any resemblance to anyone living or dead is 
>purely coincidental!) 

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:14:31 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Frog LW

On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Soren Vels Christensen wrote:

> On TV it looked like Jacques Chirac uses a LWB Lightweight for parades.
 
> I thought that France supplied themselves with ministry and gov'ment cars??

A LWB Lightweight?  Maybe this is just a Frogmobile (as opposed to a 
Plushmobile) that looks like a vehicle that Land Rover never made?

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:23:22 -0800

>How much pulling capacity does one really need to pull through the 
>occasional mudhole or ditch? I've seen "portable" winches advertised 
>that are basically a plastic-housed block and tackle with a motor 
>attached. Anybody every used or seen one?
The "cheap" (i.e. <US$100) ones aren't very helpful: motor too weak,
cable too short to do much good except in the simplest of cases. Warn
makes a "portable" winch that fits in a 2" receiver, and has 8000#
capacity. The advantange of a HD winch is they have more cable, stronger
cable and are more efficient (more pull per amp). Also they are more
expensive. The advantage of the portable winch is, assuming you have a
2" receiver in the front and rear, is that you can take them off when
you're driving around town and put them in the appropriate end (of the
rover)  if and when you get stuck. Ramsey also makes one that's a bit
smaller with a shorter cable.
>Are you better off with or without the bar? What about weight and 
>battery considerations? I'm looking for a little off-road security, not
>a megabuck conversion. Thanks to all.
>attached. Anybody every used or seen one?

I'd suggess the front receiver and small to medium portable winch for
the "casual" off-roader. This saves wear and tear on the vehicle and the
stock battery should be adequate, though not wonderful, for the
occasional use. For the "serious"
(I'm-not-leaving-until-I-get-stuck-real-good)  type, then having a
permanent and/or heavy duty portable winch with corresponding electrical
system enhancements. Understand that regardless of which set up you end
up with, the nearest winch point will always be exactly
winch-cable-length + 6' (or 2-m outside of the US) :-)
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/             Winchless in Seattle

(I'm-not-leaving-until-I-get-stuck-real-good)  type, then having a
>battery considerations? I'm looking for a little off-road security, not

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 09:53:28 PST
From: Chuck Huston <huston%com@playground.sun.com>
Subject: SF Bay Area - Discovery Advice

Hi Net,

I live in Fairfield, CA and work in Walnut Creek (East SF Bay Area).  My wife
and I are thinking about buying a LR Discovery and find that our closest Rover
dealer is Cole European (Walnut Creek).  I also think there's a dealer in 
Sacramento (my wife's home town).

1)  Have you had good experience with this dealership (purchase/service)
and/or can you recommend any others within driving distance?

2)  We currently own a 4dr/4wd Explorer but, since we like the Disco's
spec's much better, we thought it would be a good vehicle "upgrade" - any
advice?

Thanks,

Chuck
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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 16:42:45 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Peter Hirsch E-mail me

Dave - just in case you want something reasonably original, there is an 
official Land-Rover warning plate. You can get a very nice remake from the 
Series One Club for 4 GBP plus postage. If you are interested, mail me directly.

Peter-

thanks. Can you come back w/ your e-mail address? For some reason I don't get 
them with the real time messages.

Thanks 
Dave
dbobeck@ushmm.org

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:47:17 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Frog LW

> On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Soren Vels Christensen wrote:
 
 On TV it looked like Jacques Chirac uses a LWB Lightweight for parades.
 I thought that France supplied themselves with ministry and gov'ment cars??
 and Walt Swain replied:

 A LWB Lightweight?  Maybe this is just a Frogmobile (as opposed to a 
> Plushmobile) that looks like a vehicle that Land Rover never made?

Actually Santana made a LWB that looked very much like the 
lightweight. Hard to tell teh difference at a glance.

Speaking of which, a few years back Popular Science here in the US 
did a piece on SUV's and pictured a 4WD to be imported from Italy I 
believe. I forget what they called it, but it was obviuosly a LR 
based on the Lightweight. Anybody have any knowledge if that ever 
happened?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:26:14 -0800
Subject: Re: SF Bay Area - Discovery Advice

Hi Chuck,

I bought my Disco at Hubacher and was not impressed much with the
qualifications of the salesmen. Most didn't know didly. At the
time, apparently they were moving to a set of salesmen who had
specific expertise for just the LR products. I can't say now. About
1.5 weeks ago, my wife took the Disco down for yet more warranty
work and said there were many! Discos and RRs there. Maybe one
Def90. We were able to dicker about 10% off the total price for
fully loaded and accesorized (sp?). With more cars now, it may be
even easier especially as you hit the end of the month. Plan to
haggle and waste their time. Recent notes suggest RAB in the North
Bay as well as several in SF and SJ.

On Feb 23,  9:53am, Chuck Huston wrote:
> Subject: SF Bay Area - Discovery Advice
>Hi Net,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Hi Net,
>I live in Fairfield, CA and work in Walnut Creek (East SF Bay
Area).  My wife
>and I are thinking about buying a LR Discovery and find that our
closest Rover
>dealer is Cole European (Walnut Creek).  I also think there's a
dealer in
>Sacramento (my wife's home town).
>1)  Have you had good experience with this dealership
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>and/or can you recommend any others within driving distance?
>2)  We currently own a 4dr/4wd Explorer but, since we like the
Disco's
>spec's much better, we thought it would be a good vehicle
"upgrade" - any
>advice?
>Thanks,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> ==Home Internet Account==> E-Mail: huston@sparc1.castles.com
>                            WWW Page:
http://vader.castles.com/huston/
> Work Info:
> Varian Chromatography Systems    Phone: 510-945-2317
> GC/MS Research and Engineering   Fax:   510-945-2334
> Walnut Creek, CA  94598  USA     Email:
chuck.huston@csb.varian.com
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-- End of excerpt from Chuck Huston
> GC/MS Research and Engineering   Fax:   510-945-2334

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:42:55 GMT -0600
Subject: LR for sale

Found this on the 4x4 usenet

-------------------------------------

1967 SIIa 109 ambulance ex army, rebuilt trans new clutch in last 1000
mi, very original except for exterior paint (now red and white), Runs
and drives great, Anti roll bars front and rear, Oil cooler, all the
military mod's, custom removable tow bar, 61k miles                   
      $6500

I am located about 35mi east of Washington DC
301 261 5675
qrover80@aol.com

----------------------------------

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:02:18 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  Mercedes Question-Reply   G-wagen info

The G-wagon is the only non-rover vehicle I really "need." :)  The
exclusive US dealer is in N.M. and new ones cost $127,000.  Used are
considerable cheaper with early 80's starting at around $10,000. 
Interior and ride are like an S class sedan(they say).  It has true lockers
front, rear and center, each controlled by switch in the cab.  Spring
suspension. 10.5 inches on wheel travel at all four wheels!  rated to
cross water of 24 inches with no problem.  Mercedes diesel available.  

  This is the only competition the RR really has for my affection, but NM
is a long way away and I'm sure the ones in my price range are far
below the quality of the RR at the same price.  Still, maybe one day I can
have both.  Of course the "plushmobile" comments would be unbearable
if I drove a vehicle with a "star" on the front. 

William

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From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:21:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Arctic LR Disco Survival, etc. 

In a message dated 96-02-21 22:50:51 EST, Melvin wrote:

>Will all of the factory lubes perform ok, IE: engine, diff and
>> manual trany lube.

Melvin, 

A possible solution to keeping the 90 WT warm (relatively) in the diffs.
 NAPA auto parts stores have a magnetic heater in their catalog, that will
grip a magnetic surface while heating it.  I have used it on my Ford tractor
(engine sump) and it seems to work fairly well.  Another possibility, and
this may sound crazy at first, is a couple of electric heating pads.  Wrap
'em around the diffs and hold 'em in place with bungee cords. 

Also, assuming you have 115 VAC where you will be parking, is a
kerosene-powered salamander.  Just make a skirt that will go around three
sides of the car , leaving the front open and a "relief" opening at the rear,
and blast the salamander into it from a safe distance for a short while
before driving off.  The smallest size salamander should be more than
adequate - it's a very handy thing to have for thawing all sorts of things
out; I suppose it could even be run off an inverter from your Rover, or with
a small portable generator.  

Doug Scott
  

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From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:53:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Frog LR

On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk> wrote:
>On TV it looked like Jacques Chirac uses a LWB Lightweight for parades.

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>I thought that France supplied themselves with ministry and gov'ment cars??
>The French Govt Mission here decided to get a Defender. But anything they buy 
has to come from France. So they have a left-hand-drive 110 in a 
right-hand-drive country. Very French.
Allan Smith
90 Tdi
St. Lucia
>On TV it looked like Jacques Chirac uses a LWB Lightweight for parades.

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:57:34 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

> ....or perhaps a big ramp...where's that guy who wanted to do 180s?

This afternoon, while cruising round the local Land Rover breakers and 
spares stores, I spotted a vehicle designed to do tricks. Like a 360 deg 
roll. It was an ex military SIII fitted with a very neat circular roll 
cage (around the fore-aft axis)just on the centre bulkhead. If the 
vehicle rolls over it just keeps on going till it's back on it's wheels. 
Nice party piece. The vehicle is for sale.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:57:51 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Mercedes Question, D110 owner?, MA, USA

Robert A. Virzi wrote:
> Saw an awesome Mercedes 4wd in Weston, MA, USA the other day.  First thought 
> it was a unimog, not knowing what one was.  Checked on net and found it > 
> wasn't, so I'm guessing it is a g-wagon.

Unimogs might be considered awesome, but a G-wagen? I think not.

The G-wagen is a Mercedes interpretation of a Defender. Stuffed with all the 
mechanical toys that you all want on axles, not as good looking as a Defender 
but priced up there with the Range Rover, it sells mainly to Military users and 
posers who want the three pointed star on anything they drive. Very well 
engineered, though.

Merc are planning an assault on the RR with a new vehicle because they realise 
the G-wagen can't cut it.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:14:33 -0500
Subject: Transfer Case Noise Part 1

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I am attempting to attach a .txt file with a note about transfer case noise.
Beg pardon if it doesnt come through.

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	Greetings to all on the list. Reading the digest of 2/21 I saw some requ=
ests for information and thought I'd jump in. I am new to the list but ow=
ned and drove daily a SIIA for several years and now do same with a not-s=
o plush 83 Rangie 4sp. no power junk (no winter start up problems either =
with manual choke carbs).
To Richard Chala re: no  4WD high engagement. Had this same prob. on the =
SIIA. Low worked fine but danged yellow knob would nt stay down. Take up =
passenger floor board and you will see a little metal cover on the front =
of the transfer case. Your problem may be that this thing is rusted throu=
gh (mine was) and leaks and has allowed the selector shaft to become rust=
y and seize in the alum. front case. The yellow knob lifts a pin which th=
en allows the spring loaded selector shaft to move forward and engage 4 W=
D high, but can't 'cause it is seized, or if you're lucky the afore menti=
oned metal housing, into which the front of selector shaft moves, is dent=
ed or full of crud, thus preventing full engagement. Dont count on it. Yo=
urs truly tried soaking the offending shaft in WD40 and "tapping" it with=
 a punch and hammer after removing said cover. Bad move. It snapped in tw=
o at the lift pin hole. Oh well..maybe if  youre more patient than I was =
it won't happen to you. Good luck.
 I

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:17:27 -0800
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Galvanic corrosion

On Fri, 23 Feb 96, "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org> wrote:

>Interesting. Looking at McMaster Carr catalog... here it is...

>304 Stainless Steel "for high temperature service" Min. tensile 
>strength-75,000psi/ Min. yield strngth 30,000 psi.
>18-8 stainless steel- Min. tensile strength 75,000 psi.
>Grade 8 High Strngth- Min. tensile strength 150,000 psi.
>Grade 5 - minimum tensile strngth 120,000 psi.

Thanks,
According to this, there is no equivalent stainless bolt to a grade 5.  
According to an article in 'Peterson's 4 Wheel and Off Road' March 1996 issue, 
"Also note that stainless steel bolts have tensile strengths of about 78,000 psi 
and good high-strength stainless steel bolts have tensile strengths of about 
120,000 or about equal to Grade 5."

I'm inclined to believe the Mc Master Carr catalog...does anyone know what these 
"good high-strength stainless steel bolts" are, I'd like to use them for some 
structural applications on the frame (brush bar, etc) to avoid corrosion but I 
certianly want to use a suitable fastener, not a possible projectile under 
winching conditions.  Also, what would the fatigue duty cycle and shear strength 
be for stainless versus a grade 5?

Thanks,
Eric

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 23 Feb 96 19:23:05 EST
Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

Re: Electric H2O heater:
 .
>If you give me the specs, I will calculate/factor/figure exactly how much tea
>you can make, and hands can be washed, to leave you with an hours worth  of
>radio in your battery while you wait for someone to find you and give you a
>jump start.
>JOhn. 

Geeeeeze....let him get one thing right and he becomes an expert already.....8*)

   aj"Already was one...."r 

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:35:24 -0500
Subject: Trans Noise Part 2

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 Tranfer case problems I've lived through Part 2
  This brings me to the whining noise inquiry from Erik Van Dyck. When I =
bought mine I knew the rear diff. was bad (obvious seal failure and yowli=
ng on over run). I sourced a good used diff from RN. Noise abatted somewh=
at but still there. Removed the transfer box cover. A mess of bronze gunk=
 and bad looseness. Removed overdrive, trans. brake (use 4WD low, get wif=
e to stand on brakes to lock up drive while loosening nut on rear output =
shaft) etc. Was lucky and idler shaft came out without any fuss. Rebuilt =
all as Erik did, including new cage bearings and new idler shaft. Found g=
ood used selector shaft and all need parts from friendlies at RN. Reassem=
ble. Drive. Still noisy/juddery. ARRGH! Everything I did decreased the no=
ise but some was still there. I drove it like this for a while. Check'd p=
rop. shaft splines for wear. Hmm..not bad by MGB standards. But wait! Unl=
ike most prop. shafts the SII 88" rear shaft is short and works at a very=
 steep angle. Any wear in the splines will be noticed and felt. A brand n=
ew factory shaft ($$$) seemed to be the cure.(dont bother with rebuilders=
 it doesnt work!)  There was still some whine but with the overdrive it w=
as now acceptable. Peace at last. Hell, the  LT95 in my Rangie whines som=
e. Its part of the experience. Hope this helps good luck.

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From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:37:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Beamer Discos?

smitha@candw.lc wrote:
>Hi all - if my March LROI arrived today in this dot on the map then I assume 
>all of you in NA have it, so I'm surprised that no one has commented on the 
>rumour therein that the 97 Disco, to be built in the US and UK, will be 
badged 
>BMW. At least the ones with H***A badges stay in Japan. How awful! Dank sei 
>Gott they didn't mention the Defender!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
>300 Tdi 90 
>St. Lucia

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:17:37 -0800
Subject: Re: Frog LW

On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> wrote:

>> On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Soren Vels Christensen wrote:
> On TV it looked like Jacques Chirac uses a LWB Lightweight for parades.
> I thought that France supplied themselves with ministry and gov'ment cars??
> and Walt Swain replied:

> A LWB Lightweight?  Maybe this is just a Frogmobile (as opposed to a 
>> Plushmobile) that looks like a vehicle that Land Rover never made?
>Actually Santana made a LWB that looked very much like the 
>lightweight. Hard to tell teh difference at a glance.

Knowing the French, I doubt very much that Chirac would ride around in a vehicle 
built by a 'roastbeef' (what the French call the English). Very likely its a 
Peugeot 4x4 or some derivative thereof.  They do have somewhat of the same 
angular front of a lightweight...thoughts?

Eric

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:19:32 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

John moans...

>Thanks Dixon.  I guess I won't see you this year, you going to owl's head the
>following week? 
>John, D90, wedding: June 23rd, hopeful Roverish honeymoon...the following week.

-
WHAT! You mean you're going to get married instead of attending a Land Rover
event! 

What *is* this world coming to....

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:19:33 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Mogul bashing

>How does the man who drives the plow get to the plow....?
>Eric

-
According to an old Volkswagen ad, he drove a VW Beetle.... :)

Cheers
Mike

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From: David Scott Mary Ann <birddog@auburn.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Zenith carb Base repair
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:21:24 -0600

Thanks everyone for the great info on the carb repair.  I found a =
servicable used base from Britpac, but am taking the old base and trying =
the bronze bushing with a local machine shop.  Will let you know on the =
outcome.  A new  pickup was born this  week, in concept only  now, but =
all the parts are outside.  A early  11a 109 diesel pickup all stock =
with  snorkel,  roll cage for cab and windshield, named FROGMAN.  Will =
send you all a picture on completion.  Have a great day, birddog

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From: CrankIt@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:36:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Unlocking the center diff.

My experience with the light on my D-90 has been the same.  Light stays on
for a while after the shift has been made out of the locked position.  I even
think that I read in a manual that you should expect a delay.  Anyway the
diff was unlocked because I was on a hard surface and would have noticed if
it didn't unlock.

gene

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From: CrankIt@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:48:53 -0500
Subject: Re: 1995 D90 Bullbar Wanted

Yes, I've got a new (less than 2000 miles on my D-90)  bullbar that I want to
sell.  It's a great looking bar I'm just replacing it with an ARB winch
bumper to get the winching capability.  Respond if you are interested or have
any questions.

Gene  

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:49:11 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: Winch for RR

At 10:16 PM 2/22/96 UT, you wrote:
>Anyone know of a discreet winch mount for a RR. Those familiar with LRO mag 
>may remember "SYD" Gary Pusey's RR. He has a Warn mounted up under a steering 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>Rgds 
>Mark 

Rovers North has a concealed winch mounting for the Range Rover.  Mounts
between the chassis horns with the cable coming from behind a flip up
license plate holder.

Jeff

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:05:42 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: RR fuel tank recall

At 10:08 PM 2/21/96 -0500, you wrote:
>I had the fuel tank replaced Monday under LR's recall.  I also had some
>other things done (new O2 sensor).
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 37 lines)]
>Newport New hampshire
>603-863-7883
Today I filled my new fuel tank and drove 12 miles to work.  At lunchtime
someone came in and reported my RR to be leaking gas!

What do you know?  Drip...drip...drip...nice puddle underneath too.

Dripping from the front of the tank right in the center, dripping off the
bolts holding the tank cradle.  I think it is leaking from the fuel pump
gasket, filling that little recess and running down to the front of the tank
and dripping off.  Any other thought?

Home now, 30 miles since fueling and no drip and little smell.

I had the tank replaced on our (USA) President's Day holiday.  Think I can
make the 2 hour to the dealer, have the tank removed to get at that gasket,
replace the tank and get back to work on my lunch hour?

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover...drip...drip...drip...drip...
Newport New Hampshire
603-863-7883

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:28:35 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Re: Reformulated gas

Eric wrote: 
>I ran a few tanks of this through my V8...with no ill effects so far....
>are the expected problems only with the older engines or older seals?

That's the point.  We got reformulated gas last winter as an attempt to 
reduce winter-time air pollution, *but it never left*.  And in conversations 
with the local gas station owner, it apparently is here to stay.  This 
formulation (of methyl tetra butyl ether) is *very aggressive* on older 
rubber compounds.  Curiously, the price of carb rebuild kits has suddenly 
trippled....
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:28:32 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: RE: My gearstick BROKE

Jens Vesterdahl <jve@phaseone.dk> wrote:

>In the parking lot at work this morning...the gearstick snapped and I had 
>it in my hand...

Been there, done that.  'cept it was on a deserted road in a -35F blizzard 
in Vermont.  Check out the metal in the cross-section of the shaft.  I'll 
bet you'll find striations of abnormal 'crystal' alignment (for lack of a 
better term) in the metal.  I welded mine back, only to have it break two 
*summers* later.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:28:26 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Bowie British Car Day

Okay, for those who haven't heard of the *original* British car day, it's 
Sunday, June 23 at Allen Pond Park in the city of Bowie, MD.  (The site is 
about two miles from the intersection of US Rts. 50 & 301 if you are looking 
for it on the map.  And yes, it is the same weekend as the OVLR Silver Lake 
bash, as I've just learned.)  This is a *big* show with well over a thousand 
vehicles from Rollers to Rovers.  The Rovers get position #1.  It's closest 
to the beer tent and has a pretty lakeside location.

The auto jumble is one of the best on the east coast...more and more Rover 
parts are appearing each year.  Registration forms usually don't get mailed 
out to last year's participants until late May.  Last year, we had 25 or so 
Rovers and were given recognition as the class that had grown the most over 
the years.

I'll post the address of the organizers next week...it's on my desk at work. 
And for those who tried Smugglers' Notch...was that the Stowe side or the 
Smugglers' side?

 Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:25:36 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: Mercedes Question, D110 owner?, MA, USA

At 09:45 AM 2/23/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Also, is the owner of the White D110 in this area on the net? 

If I recall correctly, the 500 1993 D110 came in any color you wanted as
long as it was white.

Jeff Kessler
1998 Range Rover (RTC5730T or RTC5730A for the handy paragraph size spray can)
Newport New Hampshire
603-863-7883

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:55:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: [Wet?] LR for sale

> 1967 SIIa 109 ambulance ex army, rebuilt trans new clutch in last 1000
    .
> I am located about 35mi east of Washington DC

    That would put him in the Atlantic somewhere, right?

    Unless he's in, say, VT...which is 35 miles east of DC (oh and a bit
    north too...)

    Duncan

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:01:49 -0800
From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Franklin H. Yap )
Subject: Dream Machine

Tonight's MotorWeek (Bay Area PBS Ch60) named the RR 4.6HSE as one of 
its Dream Machine.

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:38:49 -0500
From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Discovery diagnostic readout codes!

This is verbatim from the RR or Disco shop manual.  It is just lacking 
the pictures (i.e. where the serial mating connector is? A.under 
passenger seat - 5 wire plug with a cap).

I turned my display unit around so that I could read it from behind the 
passenger seat (fully raised).  This is before I got my check engine 
light problem fixed.
-- 
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        Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net"
       92 Range Rover (No ABS/Sway Bars/Air Bags/Check engine Light)
      Graduate Student, MBA Program, Old Dominion University
      Norfolk, VA, USA  
       (804) 440-5383   
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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:45:22 -0500
From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels

Try Canton-Mecca @ (203) 484-4900.  $125 for the turbo oiler.  Catalogue 
costs $3.  They make racing oiling accesories (stock car, formula 1, 
etc.)
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Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net"
92 Range Rover (No ABS/Sway Bars/Air Bags/Check Engine Light)
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