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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:40:08 -0500
From: benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/Kris Benedict)
Subject: Bowie British Car Show

Sandy:

>"same place, same time, same organizers." as last year.  

For thoses who haven't experienced this, do you care to give the details?!?

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 7:52:16 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long)

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From: EvanD103@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:16:41 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

I posted a query to the Digest 2/20 regarding transfer box noises.  Mike and
Rob were kind enough to Email me directly, but for some reason I have not
recieved the Digest for Feb 21 nor Feb 22.  If someone posted a response to
me those dates I thank you, but have not been able to read it.  A direct
E-mail would be welcome.  I'll recheck later in the day to see if I've
recieved the digest before I panic.
Sincerely,
Erik van Dyck
Stone Mountain, Georgia
'73 Ser III 88"

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 8:56:17 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries.

Sorry to all for the multiple postings on the trip. I have been getting 
mail from folks complaining that the message was scrambled so I thought no 
one got it.

I'm done, really!

P.S. After reading the posts on D90 alternators.

What size and brand alternator does anyone suggest for winching, lights, 
Etc.? How do you go about installing dual Optima batteries? Are they wired 
in parallel? I have heard that an isolator is good from some folks and bad 
from others, any comments? Should you have an emergency cut off switch for 
the winch? I would like to upgrade my system but I need some advice.

Cheers,
Barnett

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:03:45 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: "Truth" in advertising

Sandy Grice writes:
snip
> In other news, the Bowie British Car Show, probably the biggest (after 
> Hershey) and oldest on the East Coast is back on.  The organizers were 
snip
I went to the Bowie, Maryland show some years back, either late '70's or early 
'80's, I can't remember, and there were qiute a few LR's there, 
probabaly around 10. Hope that nuber has gone up.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:08:29 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels

Matthew Loxton asks:
snip
> this comes with the 2.5L VM Turbo Diesel. I would like to hear from anyone who 
> can give me some hints on the care and feeding of a TD. Whats all the buzz 
snip

I posted a piece on the care and feeding of turbos last year. Does 
anyone still have that (I tend to not save my drivel)? If not, I guess I can redo it.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:26:06 -0500
From: benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/Kris Benedict)
Subject: Re: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long)

The third times a Charm!!  Try Again!!

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:32:59 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries.

> What size and brand alternator does anyone suggest for winching, lights, 
 Etc.? How do you go about installing dual Optima batteries? Are they wired 
 in parallel? I have heard that an isolator is good from some folks and bad 
 from others, any comments? Should you have an emergency cut off switch for 
> the winch? I would like to upgrade my system but I need some advice.
-
I'd go with the most common in your country. In the US I went with a 
Delco 108amp, although a number of people on the list use Delco's of a 
lower rating with success. I just believe in overkill when it doesn't 
cost much more. That's why I also went with 1/0 welding cable for the 
hot and ground, and while I was at it rewired my starter with 1/0. 
>From the alternator to the battery I ran ,hmmm, #2 ithink, maybe #4, 
welding cable. I used welding cable because it has more strands and 
so is easier to route.

Unless the winch mfgs. have become elightened since I bought my Warn, 
throw out the cables that come with it, *especially* the ground 
cable. They're way too small.

Don't know about Optima batteries in the Defender. A D owner can 
probably help you. An isololator would be a good idea if you're the 
careless type who would completely drain your battery with the winch. 
Or if you wanted an extra margin of leeway. An emergency cut off is a 
good idea. Solenoids have been known to stick. You wouldn't find it 
pleasureable if they stuck at the same time you were caught in the 
cable. (no jokes Dixon or David) Mount it wher you can get to it from 
the near the winch.

See Alan Richer's post on converting to a Delco if that's the route 
you go. It's for series vehicles, but has things that might apply to 
Defenders.

As an aside for you Series owners. If you do much electrical work 
(and what LR owner doesn't) I highly recommend getting a copy of the 
*old* Haynes electrical book (published in the '70's-early '80's, now 
out of print). 
It's the only one I could find that had a reasonable description and 
schematic of a US spec '67 diesel charging system. Besides it's other 
useful Lucas info.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:33:11 -0800
From: Rahul <com1@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe

How do I unsubscribe these messages ?

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:46:57 -0800
Subject: Re: 50th Tour of RSA

Bruce.

The tour of South Africa sounds interesting.  If one were thinking of
shipping their 109 there for the duration of the trip, are therer any South
African regulations I should be aware of governing the temporary import of an
older Land Rover?

I have a six week sabatical coming up that I could postphone a year and add
vacation time to.

Just wondering

TeriAnn

People keep asking me if the car has seen Africa

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:50:36 -0800
Subject: Re: Bowie British Car Show

Is this the Bowie that is the ghost town on the Eastern side of the Seria
Navada mountain range?  If it is, I would like to hear more

TeriAnn

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:51:24 -0600
From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  Re: FYI: Trip to RN Winter Off-road Driving School (long) 

I got both copies of the great report just fine.  Sounds fantastic.  Only
trouble now is how to talk my wife into a Vermont vacation.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:23:38 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Recall info

 The DOT maintains a list of recalls that you can get to on the Web.

 http://www.dot.gov/affairs/recalls.htm

 If you have a Web browser, you should check it for recalls on ANY vehicle
 you own. Anyway, for people out there who don't have Web access, I 
 pulled out all the current recall info I could find on LRs. 

 Rob
 94 D90
===========================================================================
 
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Models:          Range Rover       Years: 1987 - 1991
Manufactured Dates:      May 1987-September 1990
Number of Vehicles:      15,378
Recall No.               95V155000
System:  Fuel tank assembly.
Vehicle Description:  Multi-purpose passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect:  The bottom of the fuel tank can corrode
over time and allow fuel to leak.
Consequence of Defect:  A fuel leak can occur and increase the
potential for a vehicle fire.  Corrective Action:  Dealers will
inspect the fuel tank and replace the tank if needed.
Note:  Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on
an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy
within a reasonable time, should contact Range Rover at
1-301-731-9040.
 
===========================================================================
 
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Model:           Range Rover       Year: 1995
Manufactured Dates:      June 1994-July 1995
Number of Vehicles:      3,147
Recall No.               95V157000
System:  Engine pulley.
Vehicle Description:  Multi-purpose 4.0SE passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect:  The idler pulley, part of the engine
front end serpentine belt system, can fail resulting in
serpentine belt damage or disengagement.
Consequence of Defect:  Disengagement of the pulley on the
roadway can cause harm to pedestrians and other vehicles.  Also,
failure of the belt causes a loss of power steering assist which
can increase the potential for an accident.
Corrective Action:  Dealers will replace the idler pulley with a
newly designed idler pulley.
Note:  While power steering assist will be lost if the belt
fails, manual steering control remains.  Note:  Owners who take
their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service
date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time,
should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
 
===========================================================================
 
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Model:              Range Rover Range Rover       Year: 1995
Manufactured Dates: June 1994-April 1995
Number of Vehicles: 2,114
Recall Number:      95V123000
System: Hydraulic brake hose.
Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose passenger vehicles.
Description of Defect: A flexible brake hose that connects the hydraulic
pump to the anti-lock brake system (ABS) valve block assembly can leak and
cause loss of brake fluid.
Consequence of Defect: Loss of brake fluid can make the primary brake
circuit inoperable, including the rear brakes, and loss of ABS operation
with a consequent reduction in braking performance and possible increased
braking distances.  Also, brake fluid leakage in the engine compartment
could cause a fire if there is a source of ignition.
Corrective Action: Dealers will inspect the vehicles to determine which
ones are fitted with the suspect hose and then replace suspect hoses with
the latest design.
Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed
upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable
time should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
 
===========================================================================
 
Range Rover NA., Inc.
Model(s):           Range Rover County Classic  Year(s): 1995
                    Range Rover Defender        Year(s): 1995
                    Range Rover Discovery       Year(s): 1995
Manufactured Dates: December 1994-January 1995
No. of Vehicle(s):       155
Recall No.:              95V099000
System: Axle assembly.
Vehicle Description: Multipurpose vehicles.
Description of Defect: At port of entry, a quality overcheck of the
differential pinion shaft torque was performed.  This check required the
removal of the driveshafts.  When the driveshafts were reinstalled, the
wrong sized nuts were used.
Consequence of Defect: The nuts can loosen, ultimately causing one or
both driveshafts to disconnect, resulting in loss of control of the
vehicle.
Corrective Action: Dealers will replace the hardware on the involved
vehicles with hardware of the appropriate specifications.
Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an
agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a
reasonable time should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040.
 

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:30:09 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Bowie British Car Show

Is this the Bowie that is the ghost town on the Eastern side of the Seria
Navada mountain range?  If it is, I would like to hear more

TeriAnn

Hey, I know the answer to that one! ( no.)

The town you are referring to is called Bodie. Real interesting place, out in 
the middle of nowhere. I was there in September '94. If you haven't ever been, I
highly recommend checking it out. Sort of contrived but definitely real, lots of
interesting history stuff.  The terrain in that area is perfect for 4 wheeling, 
especially around Mono lake. I was staying in Mammoth Lakes at a friends cabin, 
and there's little dirt roads that go everywhere, and they're all accesible and 
legal since they're in the National "Forest". Of course you probably know all 
this don't you. BTW, Chevy Cavaliers don't do very well on steep sandy 
trails.:-0

The British Car Day is in Bowie Maryland, just a short drive east of DC. Lots of
neat stuff there.

Ciao.
Dave & Green Car

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Arctic LR Disco Survial...synthetic changeover= DO IT

In a message dated 96-02-21 22:50:51 EST, you write:

>Will all of the factory lubes perform ok, IE: engine, diff and
>> manual trany lube.

Melvin, 
If you are seriously going to install all the extra heater, block, battery,
etc..., I think it is highly judicious of you to also change all the lubes to
synthetic.  If you are really going to see  -40F temperatures, the synthetics
will be worth their weight in Range Rover ignition modules.  

At -25F a few weeks ago, I needed to start my D90, though no block heaters,
even with the synthetic oil (10W30) my lifters rattled for a bit, I can't
imagine how long they would've with dino oil.  But the engine heater will
solve this for you, the other major point is the diffs.  Fine, I got the
truck started, but it literally wouldn't move.  I REALLY had to slide the
clutch and rev the engine to get enough torque to turn that 90WT.  It was
like I was in a Tough Truck Competition with a F150 tied to my rear.  Only a
heated garage is gonna solve that one for you.  And to think that I had to
push the truck  this hard  with everything super cold, I didn't like it at
all.  That is not the way I like to treat equipment.

After installing the synthetic diff/transfer case lube, I was amazed at how
easy the truck rolls.  Granted I haven't experienced -25F again (Please, no
more...NO MORE.....)  but it has gotten down to +15F, and still, the truck
just rolled like it was a sunny day in Los Angeles (oh, sun, warmth, easy
starting, top off, bikin.....).

IMHO:  Change ALL the fluids to synthetic, it will be money VERY well spent.
 Barnett Childress even noticed a complete vehicle attitude change after he
did it, his truck was smoother and quieter.  I agree with the smoother bit, I
don't think it is *Completely* in my head (I just spent $6 a quart, it better
be better...).

John, 94 D90, Afflicted with Wisconsinitis 

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Range Rover's for sale

In a message dated 96-02-21 23:12:21 EST, you write:

>Look what I found on the internet a http://www.traderonline.com/....I 
>splurged and bought the list for a buck....\
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>=============================================================  	 
>        Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net"

>.
I didn't know LR even MADE that many vehicles...!

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:35 -0500
Subject: Re: RN Winter Off-road Driving School "Repost"

In a message dated 96-02-21 22:29:02 EST, you write:

>Barnett,
Nothing but garbage recieved..  Do you need to save it in a text file 
>before transmitting ?
=====================
Michael, and all who couldn't read it, try this one and see if you can read.
 I have pasted the file into this note, from my mailer it looks fine, hope
I'm not duplicating other's work and wasting bandwith...
John P.
=====================
FROM BARNETT CHILDRESS:

Hi All,

I attended the Rovers North Winter off-road driving school over the 
weekend with some of my fellow BSROA club members. The class was great. I 
have been off-roading for several years, but still learned a lot!

We left from LR Metro West in Natick, Ma. around 4:30PM on Friday. Our 
convoy consisted of two Discos, and three Defenders. It was snowing very 
heavily at the time, the traffic was terrible, and to top it off I had a 
miserable cold. 
It took 2:30hrs to travel 20 miles! After we were into New Hampshire, 
traffic started to lighten up a bit, and we picked up the pace. The snow 
was very wet and icy. My Defender windshield was icing up so bad I had to 
stop about every 20 minutes to get out and clean it. MANY, vehicles were 
sliding off of the road. A poor fellow in an Explorer right in front of us 
really lost it. He slid down an embankment and into some trees. We were do 
to arrive at the Stowhoff Inn in Stowe Vermont for dinner at 7PM. We 
didn't arrive until 2:30AM! There was a fellow in a Honda(?) blocking the 
entrance. We tried to pull him out of the way with one of the Defenders 
but the road had an icy crust under the snow and the Defender just spun 
opposing front and rear wheels. We tried my Defender and I locked both Air 
lockers and was able to pull him up the hill and out of the way. We 
checked in exhausted and went to bed.

Saturday. We were supposed to be at RN for 9AM but... by the time everyone 
got together, (we were about 10 LR's and 21 people now), and we gassed up, 
and then drove to RN (about an hour), we didn't arrive until 10AM. We were 
greeted by Mark and his staff, and there were two special guests there for 
the event. Mike Hussey (1993 USA team Camel Trophy winner), and Sue Mead 
(two time photographer for Camel Trophy), (I hope I have the names and 
spelling right).

We had a brief lecture about LR 4WD systems, gear selections, Etc., and 
then went into the garage where they showed everyone the venerable parts 
under the vehicles. Then we assembled into driving teams and got into 
their vehicles for some hands on training. Two Range Rovers, (one with a 
Dakar 4.5L engine), a Disco, A 94 Defender (with a 4.5L Dakar), and a 
Defender Tdi diesel. I choose the 94 Defender with the Dakar, (surprise)!

It was bitter cold with the wind blowing. The instructors took us through 
some tight trails in the woods. We discussed gear selection, picking the 
proper drive line, letting the vehicle do the work and not muscling thru 
Etc. The snow was really slippery and one of the RR's needed to be winched 
up a hill right off. Next we all got to drive. We practiced extreme down 
hill and uphill climbs. We worked on failed hill climbs with the vehicle 
stalled, and severe side hills, Etc.

We took a lunch break and then it was over to the obstacle course. More 
extreme hill climbs and descents. Some of the hills became extremely icy 
after several vehicles had climbed them. I had three failed attempts on a 
very steep accent, and slid down ass backwards out of control before I 
could get into reverse and restart the Defender! Mike Hopwood my 
instructor remained  calm, told me more throttle and try again! I made the 
hill on my fourth try. As slow as possible as fast as necessary! That was 
the scariest for me. Free wheeling backwards and not being quick enough to 
get into reverse and restart. I know what I will be practicing. We moved 
on to ditch and ridge crossings  without becoming cross axled. Some 
winching instruction ended the day.

We returned to the hotel and had dinner. I was still sick as a dog so I 
went to bed exhausted again, about 11PM.

Sunday. We checked out and it was snowing again. We arrived at RN and had 
a brief lecture about winching and safety. Then off to some more trails in 
the woods. I drove some really tight twisty trails. We waited for the 
disco to catch up. As the disco tried to maneuver between two trees on a 
steep side hill the rear end slid and kissed the lower tree. We brought 
the Defender back and ran the winch cable thru a pulley block to the rear 
disco hitch. No damage. After that the disco got stuck again on a steep 
side slope. The rear door was opened abruptly and it sprung the hinges. 
The door could not be closed so we tied it shut. More twisty trails, and 
we practiced marshaling to aid the drivers. Also a lot more winching. 

Then back to Stowe and lunch. RN had a special event for us to challenge 
our clubs driving, stamina, teamwork, and problem solving skills. By 
special permit we were allowed to drive the road to Smugglers Notch. This 
road is closed to vehicles in the winter and had over four feet of snow on 
it. We started at 3PM with a time limit set for 7PM. People were looking 
at us like we were crazy as the first rover hurled over the snow bank onto 
the road! It was tough going right from the start. The lead vehicle had to 
try to cut tracks into the snow. Several feet forward then reverse and 
repeat. The snow was loose and powdery. trying to stay on top without 
breaking the crust was very difficult. Tyres were aired down and this 
helped a little. We winched, pushed, and shoveled anything to gain a foot 
of two of progress. Finally one of the RR's got badly stuck. We brought 
the 94 Defender into the front and it got stuck too. Finally after 
winching free we were running out of time, and it was starting to get 
dark. They told me to take the Defender and try to go as far as I could. 
They would recover the RR and follow in my tracks. Some of the party voted 
to turn back so the disco and one RR started the decent.

I was able to make fairly good progress in the Defender and soon we were 
out of sight from everyone else! I came to a hill I could not climb. We 
raidio'd to the RR, they were free and catching up to us. We winched both 
vehicles over the hill. We were within a quarter mile from the top! 
Unfortunately we had run out of time. So sticking with the plan we turned 
the vehicles around and headed down. Mike Hopwood told me that if we had 
been able to start earlier he knew we would have made it!

We got back to Stowe gassed up and aired up the tyres around 8PM and had 
dinner courtesy of LR Metro West. The dealer also gave everyone a free LR 
coffee mug and a gift certificate for $150. I left to go home at 11PM and 
arrived in Sturbridge, MA. at 3:30PM totally exhausted and never feeling 
better!

Monday I had the day off luckily and spent it recovering! I still have a 
bad cold.

Tuesday I spent my gift certificate towards a rear roll cage and full 
bestop for my Defender.

As you can tell everyone had a wonderful time. If you ever get a chance to 
take the RN school I highly recommend it, even if you are an experienced 
off-roader.

Sorry for the long post.
Cheers
Barnett
Childress
95 D90         

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:56:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long)

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Darwyn/Kris Benedict wrote:

> The third times a Charm!!  Try Again!!

	But not UUencoded for those who don't have a clue to what I am 
	talking about here...

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:01:29 -0500
Subject: Fwd; From another list...

Subj:  [Rovernet] parts in So. America
Date:  Wed, Feb 21, 1996 12:15 PM EDT
From:  rovernet@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu
X-From: JPeters105@aol.com
Reply-to: rovernet@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu

Anyone know of a source of parts for a Range Rover in South America. The
vehicle is in Chile, and was assembled in Venezuela in '79.
     Thanks,
         Joel

================
saw the above on the 'Rovernet'. Thought someone here could help...
Jim '61 LR 88" SW
       '60 P5 (628000165)
       '68 P6 SC Auto
       '68 P6 TC
       '84 RR     <--only days away!!!
       '

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Whers the digest gone?
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 11:24:00 EST

This is a test to see where the digest has gone. Andy Blackley sent some 
stuff and was bounced. I haven't seen a digest since Tuesday.
Is there a server problem? Is it only the digest-ltd? Al, can you let me 
know if you see this note via the real time list or not, thanks

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 22 Feb 96 09:30:35 MST
Subject: DRIVING THE 109

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486

Hello friends,

Just to let you all know (yeah! Like you cared!) that I loaned my RR out
to my soon to be girlfriend (relax, I've known her for 3 years) since
her car is in need of a timing gear. TeriAnn's comment that "plushies"
are superior in the area of the beverage holder struck me Today, as I
drove in to work with the 109. (I haven't driven it in a few months, and
she started right up!) Even though I love the RR, I really do enjoy
driving the 109. (Proof that I'm seriously deranged!) I realized that
I've even missed driving her. But I digress... Anyway, I did manage to
spill a drop of coffee on my pant leg. Not that the RR has a cup holder
(it doesn't) but it does require a certain "fury of motions" to drive
the 109 whereas the RR is so simple, you could do it in your sleep.
(Seems that many people DO!)

Thanks for putting up with this dribble...

Dave ("Fists of fury") Brown

#=======#         _________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 12:01:10 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109

Thanks for putting up with this dribble...

Nice pun, Dave. 

I find it pretty easy to drive my SIII with coffe in hand, as long as the cup 
has a handle on it. That way I can hold the cup and steering wheel with one hand
and shift with the other. Granted the motions required to drive an 88 are 
probably somewhat less furious than a 109. Especially a SIII plushie. The only 
real problem is trying to eat or roll cigarettes while driving, especially if 
there's a beverage involved too. None of this is a problem in my Honda Cynic 
which I can steer with my knees, leaving my hands free to perform other "tasks".
I can almost roll a stoger while driving the 88 but they usually come out sort 
of lumpy. 

Dave ("Fists of fury") Brown

Sounds like me trying to get my heater to work. Lately, an accurately placed 
blow to the top of the dash panel is the only way to wake up the mice. Or iss it
squirrels... uh oh, here we go again...

Dave "Mammals R' Us" Bobeck

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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
Subject: At the risk of being repetitive...
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:03:17 MST

Warmest regards from sunny Colorado!

At the risk of being the 100th person to ask, what happened
to the digest? I haven't received one for two days :-(

--
Jeffrey J. Gauvin
'94 D90 ("ColoRover" ?)

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Date:     Thu, 22 Feb 96 12:22:13 EST (1722Z)
From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil>
Subject:  Re:  DRIVING THE 109

To all,

Guess I'm too used to "making do" when it comes
to creature comforts (courtsey of Uncle Sam), or
maybe too used to doing without.  Anyway, with
all this talk of coffee/drink holders and me being
a mega coffee addict, I thought I'd throw in my
solution.

I use one of the Aladdin brand thermo mugs with the
sip-it tops.  What I do is wedge the mug in between
the passenger and middle seat bottoms on my Series.

Works great.  Always handy.  Bummer sometimes for
the passenger, but ...

'til later,

Larry

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:02:34 PSZ
From: gmoore@comox.island.net (Greg Moore)
Subject: Re:  coffee cups

Hello all,

I just subscribed to this list in time to catch some discussion of drink holders. I use a non spill cup (of course!) and set it on the transmission tunnel. When I got tired of the cup slipping off and spilling all over my 11A I bought a piece of non-slip mat like they use on boats for placemats and set in on the tunnel. Works well on the street. When the going gets rough I drink the coffee first!

Cheers, Greg

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 13:27:17 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: coffee cups

Hello all,

I just subscribed to this list in time to catch some discussion of drink 
holders.
 I use a non spill cup (of course!) and set it on the transmission tunnel.

..ok, now where am I supposed to put my ashtray?

Dave

72SIII

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From: jve@phaseone.dk
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 18:53:27 
Subject: My gearstick BROKE !!!

In the parking lot at work this morning I was putting my 109 in first gear to 
enter a booth, when the gearstick snapped and I had it in my hand. It was broken 
at the ball, so there I was in the middle of the parking lot in free gear and 
nothing to do about it. Eat your heart out, Donald Duck!
Good thing it is easy to replace.

Jens Vesterdahl
Copenhagen, Denmark

1972 109 sIII STW 

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 13:50:50 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

Okay guys;

WARNING!!! READ FIRST!!!! (This post contains humorous content. The author 
assumes no responsibility for anyone who takes this post seriously. This 
post is an attempt at humor. Any resemblance to anyone living or dead is 
purely coincidental!) 

I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... 
rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, we don't 
need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool guy stereotypes?

Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and  
store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of 
the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's 
important, but this...?

Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, 
installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you 
can freshen up a bit on the trail! 

Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly 
dead...

Ha...HA,
Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress
95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders)  

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:52:31 -0800
From: mumcar@ix.netcom.com (William Carter )
Subject: Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift

You wrote: 
>I need some advice on where to mount a set of tow hooks and a hi-lift 

jack on
>my '94 Defender 90.  I have the early Rover brush bar with the winch 
mounts
>from the first 10 cars.  What is the reccommended spot for tow hooks?  
Has
>anyone else put a hi-lift jack on the front?  Would the back be 
better?
>anyone else put a hi-lift jack on the front?  Would the back be 

I put my high-lift in the back using Hi-Lifts locking mounting kit.  
You can U-bolt it to the high stop light loop standing up and use the 
base holder on the rear step to keep it away from the tailgate.  You 
are still able to open the gate and it's out of the way.  As far as tow 
hooks, you're probably better off getting one mounted to the front of 
the bumper and having a welding shop strengthen the mounting point.

Good Luck,

Bill Carter
95 D90

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From: Alan Richer <Alan_Richer.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 22 Feb 96 14:22:28 EST
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

Barnett "I scratched it, so I need to buy a new Discovery" Childers blathers:

>I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... 
>rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, we don't 
>need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool guy stereotypes?

Now wait just one fat furry little mammalian minute....... We embarass Camel 
drivers, not smoke them! Damn camels keep spitting and putting out the matches, 
anyway...

>Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and  
>store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of 
>the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's 
>important, but this...?

This is part of the Series mystique. We, the rugged, manly, hairy-chested 
pilots of recycled aircraft aluminum cannot survive on beer alone. Beer is only 
one of the four basic Rover food groups, to wit:

Beer
Coffee
Manifold Bangers
Chips or Sump Fries

(or wieners and French Fries for the British-impaired among us).

This is why the FRT assembly exists in the Rover parts catalogue. You need the 
ravening case of heartburn from the coffee to keep you awake on all those rocky 
trails after consuming massive quantities of the other three groups at your 
lunch break

>Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, 
>installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you 
>can freshen up a bit on the trail! 

What do you mean looking? The Series Rover is more than capable of supporting 
all of these gadgets and more, like the coffee grinder, wind-up radio and all 
of the gadgets to make life truly civilized on the trail. My beloved 109 
dashboard has everything you mention but the espresso maker (that's on the 
engine), and even more, like:

Globe-spanning 10-meter transciever
holding rack for the cattle prod (gotta clear the sheep off the trail SOMEHOW)
Rubber blowup....er....later on that one
Urchin rack for unruly children

Manly and macho does not need to mean uncivilized.

>Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly 
>dead...

And if you hadn't nailed us to the perch we'd be pushing up daisies!

    ajr

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:54:30 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Thanks to lro----Range Rover question

Kurt -- when I was looking into getting a Great Divide bumper, LRNA told 
me it was made in the UK. It is aluminum alloy in contrast to the ARB 
steel design. There are actually two -- the one on the "Great Divide 
Edition" was not as large in the vertical dimension, as it didn't have 
provision for a winch. The one offered as the "GDE Winch/Bullbar" 
accessory is larger vertically so the winch fits neatly inside.

Cheers

John Brabyn

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:54:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, barnett childress wrote:

> Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and  
> store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of 
> the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's 
> important, but this...?

	Who's talking about in a moving vehicle?  After some evening, er,
	discussions, you need something to hold the coffee cup still
	since it appears to be in several places at once when you wake
	up in the back of your Series vehicle.  As for the bottle opener,
	you should know by now its about 5' long and comes standard on
	most Series vehicles...
	
> Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly 
> dead...

	That's generally occurs at about 4am...

> Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress

	It ain't so...

> 95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders)  

	Yes plush, unless you wish to follow Russell Burns about for an
	afternoon.  The only chap I've seen so far turn the entire front
	end of his D90 a light brown colour.  Inside and out.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 14:56:55 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

Oh Alan,
Now you know I have a "Defender and can't get a new one if I scratch it"!

As a Rover "newbee" I must admit I had no idea there were three other 
rover food groups! Thanks for setting me straight.

Rubber blow up? I'm sure this must be some special recovery device!

Cheers,
Barnett

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:05:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: OVLR Birthday Party

	OVLR Birthday Party is scheduled for June 21-23rd for those
	interested.  Same location as last year (Silver Lake, Ontario)
	

Dixon Kenner                                    (819) 997-1107
Canadian Forestry Service                       Natural Resources Canada

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:56:45 GMT
From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Re: Unlocking the central diff-lock

In your message dated Wednesday 21, February 1996 you wrote :

> The mind boggles. All list readers should ALWAYS follow this advice and
> keep my signature handy....we do very reasonable recoveries !!!!!
> Regards, Ian

It does work, 'onest guv. I use it all the time!. As I said (name droppin 'ere) 
I wuz going round the LR track at Eastnor Castle, and this is how the instructor 
demonstarted the technique (BTW it doesn't work for Series LR's as they 'aven't 
a central diff).

Gerald.
-- 
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| Gerald Tan    EMail gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk                              |
| Purely my own opinions - not those of my employer                       |
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 15:13:44 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

Dixon,
I must admit brown on the (inside) hasn't happened... yet, but I'm up for 
it!
Cheers,
Barnett

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Date:         Thu, 22 Feb 96 15:14:45 LCL
From: Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: OVLR Birthday Party

What will be the agenda this year?

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:05:24 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, barnett childress wrote:

> Okay guys;

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)]
> Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress
> 95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders)  

besides---if you can't get there in a RANGE ROVER you shouldn't be there
in any vehicle. Thats what hiking boots are for!!!
2 cents worth +

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:51:32 -0800
From: Gus Macintosh <John.A.Macintosh@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: subscribe

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:24:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Dennis Seiler wrote:

> What will be the agenda this year?

	At this early date, I'd say the same as last year.  The
	light off-road is some 45 miles long, the heavy off-road
	significantly shorter, but a wee bit more challenging.
	There is a hill climb in another part of the hydro cut
	that we are going to try (exposed bedrock, to be flattened
	flora etc).  In the evenings, I'd say a wee bit of beer.

	The Birthday Party is not a huge event like the Downeast in Maine
	or the ROAV Mid-Atlantic.  Under half the size because of location,
	but off-roading wise, er, rather different that those two locations.

	Basically its a big party.  More than a dozen people on this list
	were there last year and seemed to enjoy themselves.  Ben Smith
	drove from California to attend.

	Rgds,

Dixon Kenner                                    (819) 997-1107
Canadian Forestry Service                       Natural Resources Canada

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries.
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:25:13 -0800

>From: 	barnett
>childress[SMTP:barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com]

>What size and brand alternator does anyone suggest for winching, lights, 
>Etc.? How do you go about installing dual Optima batteries? Are they wired 
>in parallel? I have heard that an isolator is good from some folks and bad 
>from others, any comments? 
That depends on what you're running:
Parallel = double the power, but no "safety" reserve if you run the battery
down. The best of both worlds is to have them isolated for charging (so that
each one gets what it needs without draining the other) and providing the
ability to run one down without draining the other. And have an interconnect
switch or relay that bypasses the isolator (connecting the batteries in
parallel) for those occasional "big" jobs.

>Should you have an emergency cut off switch for the winch? 
I put one on my Jeep's winch so that if I bashed something real hard or if
someone wanted to cut the wires and steal the winch, I/they wouldn't short
out the battery starting a fire in the process.
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

>Should you have an emergency cut off switch for the winch? 

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 15:36:44 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

 

I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... 
rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, we don't 
need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool guy stereotypes?

Make us sound like heathen's, why don't you! 
There's an air of refinement and an appreciation of things of quality that 
seperates us from the rest of the rubber-footed herds...
Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and  
store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of 
the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's 
important, but this...?

I don't know about you but usually my beer is followed by coffee...Plus I drive 
my 88 to work, so why shouldn't I drink coffee in it. Coffee is MACHO. 
Half-caf-decaf-latte-vanilla-almond-peanut-creme-de-whatever is not.

Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, 
installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you 
can freshen up a bit on the trail! 

CD player? Nah. I like my $20 Sears cassettte player, courtesy of PO. CD's would
break from the vibration. Plus the way that dash collects water, Iit's just not 
worth it. Cell phone, sure. Could save you a long walk. If I wanted to walk 
through the woods I'd be hiking, not driving. Hot towels are in the ARB locker. 

Besides haven't you heard? These items are all symbols of the new "90's macho". 
Every Eddie Bauer wearin' yacht clubbin', trail jogging, "Men's Journal" 
readin', latte snarfin' yuppie in the country probably dreams of driving a 
Series Rover. 

Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly 
dead...

Well just don't "look up" at us when you're stuck in 3 feet of mud!!

Dave  "Pass the 90wt, these cigarettes are making me thirsty!" Bobeck

'72 SIII 88" Macho Pastel Green

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:10:20 -0800
Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

On Thu, 22 Feb 96, "barnett childress" 
<barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> wrote:

>Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and  
>store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of 
>the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's 
>important, but this...?

Methinks some folks would have to disagree with you as to the importance of 
coffee to a series owner....especially when there's a little Scotch in for 
'flavour'.

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:10:32 -0800
Subject: LRNA Sales.

Does anyone know where I can find out the number of LR products sold in North 
America since LRNA (RRNA) was formed?

Thanks,
Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:10:26 -0800
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

On Thu, 22 Feb 96, Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU> wrote:
>What will be the agenda this year?

Beer, Mud, Small Mammals?  :)

Eric

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:12:26 -0800

>I don't know about you but usually my beer is followed by coffee...Plus I
>drive 
>my 88 to work, so why shouldn't I drink coffee in it. Coffee is MACHO. 
>Half-caf-decaf-latte-vanilla-almond-peanut-creme-de-whatever is not.

Agreed, but, Coffee is to 87 octane as [double/triple] Espresso is to
Hi-test. Therefore, it stands to reason that a Discovery with the
factory-installed, under-dash-mounted espresso bar and optional IV feed
would be the ultimate in machesmo! (why the IV? So the coffee cup doesn't
interfere with the transfer case shifter, of course)  It's when you start
diluting the espresso with the aforementioned additives that you regress
into the "Eddie-Bauer, boat-shoe, Levi-Dockers with
sweater-tied-around-your-neck" type mentioned below.
>Besides haven't you heard? These items are all symbols of the new "90's
>macho". 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>readin', latte snarfin' yuppie in the country probably dreams of driving a 
>Series Rover. 

Hey I bet they'd trade their Ford Explorer for one! (not that there'd be
many takers, of course :-)
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/ sans espresso bar, unfortunately

>Besides haven't you heard? These items are all symbols of the new "90's

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:22:24 -0500
Subject: Outback trip..(not really rover related)

Hey, I ran across this post on compuserve and thought maybe someone here
might be interested, so I thought I would post it here...

Begin text:_____________________________________________
G'day from the Outback,

I am an American but currently live in the Center of Australia's Outback -
Alice Springs.  I brought my 1989 Toyota 4Runner with me and have modified it
extensively for the harsh/remote conditions of the Australian Outback.  I'm
looking for someone to join me as a co-driver on the following trip.

In July/August, I'm undertaking an extensive Outback trip,  much of it across
trackless expanses of the Great Sandy Desert in West Australia.   A convoy of
10 vehicles will undertake an expedition which travels from Alice Springs, NT
to Newman, WA over a 25 day period.  There is a stretch of at least 11 days
where there is no known water sources.  Vehicles are required to carry
upwards of 260 litres of fuel and 120 litres of water.  Fuel drops will be
arranged where we intersect our bush bashing with one of the few roads (two
wheel tracks in the sand)  in West Australia - The Canning Stock route.  Each
Drop will include a 50 Gallon drum of fuel for each vehicle in the convoy.
 The trip is centered around personal exploration.  It is extremely likely
that we will traverse land which no white man has travelled before.  Daily
duties of the group range from "Dunny Duty" to puncture repair from the days
travels.   There will be days in which we will be hard pressed to make 20-30
km.

Upon reaching Newman, the group breaks up and returns to wherever their home
is.  I plan on returning to the Alice via the picturesque NW coast of
Australia.  This includes the 4wd territory of Broome, The Kimberly, etc.
 This portion will include extensive travel of the vast Outback road system
(single lane, corrugated and  washed out gravel roads with lots of wandering
stock and free roaming animals).  

The list of custom modifications to the 4Runner are long.  Some of them
include:
(clip)
The trip runs from from 22 July 1996 to probably around 27 August 1996 (end
date is flexible) and will likely cover close to 12000 kilometers.

I'm looking for someone who is adaptable and willing to work as a team to get
the job done.  It is a truly unique experience.  I would expect the co-driver
to help cover costs.  Please feel free to contact me for further details.

Some photos and the journal of a previous trip in which I crossed America can
be seen on my web page.   Point your browser to
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~flyer

Don Burke
74244.2577@compuserve.com
Alice Springs, Australia

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:27:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 ericz@cloud9.net wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Feb 96, Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU> wrote:

> >What will be the agenda this year?

> Beer, Mud, Small Mammals?  :)

	Small mammals are optional, but I understand that Mr. Bobeck will
	be handling that aspect of the Birthday Party.  

	Besides, this may be the last Birthday Party that you can attend.
	If Buchanan is elected President, he intends to build a Great Wall
	of China along the Canada USA border to stem the flow of "bad" 
	ideas from Canada (read bilingualism, multiculturalism, socialised
	medicine, welfare, unemployment insurance etc.).  At least we have
	good beer, lots of mud, tons of small furry mammals... :-)

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:32:38 -0800
Subject: Re: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

> I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... 
> rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself,
>  we don't  need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool
>  guy stereotypes?

Not hardly

> Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to 
> drink coffee and  store coffee mugs? My heart sinks.

As a tea drinker I was also wondering if there was a place to strap down a
stainless steel tea pot on the exhaust mainold so I could get hot water for
my tea when I stop to streach my legs.  I'm willing to go back to the
refrigerator for milk to put in my tea and get tea out of the pantry.  Even
wash my cup afterwards in one of the sinks.  It just that it takes longer
than I like to heat a pot of water on the stove.

Driving when drinking tea is a bit risky.  There doesn't seem to be a good
place to put the cup and it tends to slosh a bit at the first good mud hole.
 Of course when finished, the washed and dry cup gets stored in the cupboard.

> I could
>  understand the importance of the raging debate over where
>  to install the beer bottle opener, that's important, but this...?

The opener is built into the instrument apnel on pre series III Land Rovers.
 No need to install a second.  Idealy you want to convoy with a home brewer
that has just brewed a nice ale.  Trying to be a model citizen, I think the
ale should be kept in the refrigerator out of reach wile driving.

>Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular 
> phones, installing CD players, expresso makers, and 
> hot towel dispensers so you can freshen up a bit on the trail! 

I have given some thought about a cellular phone for emergency calls for help
but I keep hearing that you are always out of range any time you may need to
call for help.  I am constructing a consol that fits over the front
windscreen though.  It will hold a CB, a radio (Yes I finally decided to go
for the plushness) and maps.  Perhaps a GPS could mount up there if I decide
to go for one.  Being above head level, it will hopefully be above water
level when the car goes wading.

I have not yet decided where to place the towel holder.  I plan to use the
rear door grab handle and put it somewhere near the ceiling.

> Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's
> are truly dead...

I haven't yet picked the colours for the curtains and the carpet

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Date: 22 Feb 96 16:55:20 EST
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Free wheel hubs

The use of free wheel hubs does not save the front prop shaft.
The bearings in the Hookes joints are needle roller, they work by rotating
between the inner and outer races of the bearing. In lightly loaded
applications, as when the drive shaft is rotated by the road wheels there is a
tendency for the rollers to skid and wear, rather than rotate. This produces
premature failure of the bearings.That is why the rear shafts seem to last
forever ( providing they are lubricated ) and front shafts don't  last long.
 When free wheels hubs are used and the shaft is not rotated then ifferenrt
problems occur, vibration causes the rollers to move to and fro slightly, this
creates wear in one spot, the worse it gets the worse it gets, eventually the
hard skin is worn away. This condition is known in the bearing business as "
brinelling " which occurs when two hardened mating surfaces are vibrated.  It
can be seen in the early stages as a series of parallel lines on the shaft or
bearing cap bore.
 This problem  occurs in all types of bearings and can occur whilst items arer
stored on the shelf if they are subject to vibration, hence in organised stores
the use of stock rotation systems and turning the shafts of motors etc by hand
at prescribed intervals.

 Next week I am off to France for a couple of days and for  three days in the
Land Rover Kingdom to o/d on Land Rovers.

 Regards   Bill Leacock   Limey in exile.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:17:47 -0500
From: sim1@cornell.edu (Steve MARGOLIS)
Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels

Tom Rowe asked:
>I posted a piece on the care and feeding of turbos last year. Does
>anyone still have that (I tend to not save my drivel)? If not, I guess I ca=

n
> redo it.
>anyone still have that (I tend to not save my drivel)? If not, I guess I ca=
I'll save you some time, Tom.  Here it is.  I'd like to chip in my 2 cents=
 worth on the value of letting an engine with a turbo idle when you start it=
 up and before you shut it down.  It worked for me with the Peugeot turbo=
 diesels that I have had.  I used to let them idle at least 30 seconds on=
 start up - sometimes 10 minutes or more in the winter - and at least 60=
 seconds before shutting them down.  I never had a problem with the turbo. =
 Carry some glass cleaner and towels.  Start the engine, then clean your=
 windshield and lights.  When you get where you're going, park, clean your=
 lights again, then shut it down.  Tom's 'drivel' follows: 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

>Date:          Fri, 7 Jul 1995 11:40:34 GMT -0600
>Subject:       increasing turbo longevity

Hello all,
I've been meaning to post some info on turbos for those who care.
I used to rebuild them and picked up a few things along the way
(sorry, I didn't pick up any turbos).
=46irst, I don't know what make turbo LR uses, but most of this will
apply to all turbos.

Starting the engine. Don't rev it up until your oil pressure is built
up as turbo clearances are less than most engine parts and it will be
the first damaged. Idealy you shouldget a T fitting and mount your
oil pressure sender at the oil inlet to the turbo. It's usually the
last thing the pressure gets too. Some designs though either have a
check valve to prevent oil leaving the line, or a direct line to the
turbo from the pump.

Shutting down. Don't park your Rover and then immediately shut down.
The turbo gets HOT and a cool down of a minute or two (longer
if you've been using a lot of boost) will be appreciated. When you
shut down with a hot turbo the oil cokes up on the shaft and will
eventually foul the bearings and lead to premature failure. There are
available resevoir kits that are charged with oil on startup then release
it to drain through the turbo on shut down. The best I've seen is a
kit that comes with it's own pump and allows you to prelub the turbo
and a heat activated switch that will post lube it until the temp
drops to an acceptable level. It draws the oil from the sump through
a fine filter that contains a magnet.

If you are working around your turbo make sure you don't foul the
drain tube if it's a flex tube. Turbos must have the drain port within
a specific range of angle and a clear drain. If either is out of spec
the oil will back up and blow by the seals and into the engine. On
it's way it will foul the impeller and if it goes on long enough you
can get enough of a build up to get the turbo out of balance. Once
out of balance, it gets progressively worse until it contacts the
housing and will take about one second to completly destroy the turbo
and possibly wipe out your engine.

If you must run the engine with the air cleaner removed, be *very*
careful that nonthing gets sucked in. Very small things will wreck it
in short order, most intake side impellers are aluminum and fragile.
This seems obvious, but you'd be supprised how many wrecked turbos we
saw because something got sucked into the air intake.

Depending on the make of turbo, you may be able to get a water cooled
housing (like the ones used on Saabs) that will help keep it cool.

If you need to get your tubo rebuilt, ask if they balance the shaft
and impellers. Some shops don't but it's important. Best, if it's a
shop you are familar with, is to ask them "How do you balance the
shaft and impellers?"

Hmm, that's all I can think of at the moment, if more comes to mind,
I'll post it.
Tom

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu

Steve Margolis
Ithaca, NY

1957 107 station wagon - still in Maine in 'kit' form - Damn! 

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 22:16:46 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Winch for RR

Anyone know of a discreet winch mount for a RR. Those familiar with LRO mag 
may remember "SYD" Gary Pusey's RR. He has a Warn mounted up under a steering 
guard at the front with the spoiler removed. I was wondering if anyone has / 
knows of what type of mount winch combo this is. 

Rgds 

Mark 

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:23:43 -0500
Subject: Remote Starter for sale

All:  I have a brand-new remote starter for sale.
..it will not work with  manual transmission vehicles.
it would be perfect for the RR, Disco etc ..
e-mail me direct if you have an interest

Rgds,
Steve Bradke
72 S lll
68 S lla

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:35:36 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Winch for RR

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Mark Talbot wrote:

> Anyone know of a discreet winch mount for a RR. Those familiar with LRO mag 
> may remember "SYD" Gary Pusey's RR. He has a Warn mounted up under a steering 
> guard at the front with the spoiler removed. I was wondering if anyone has / 
> knows of what type of mount winch combo this is. 

My 88 RR came with a very discrete winch.  I asked the PO what kind it 
was, and he didn't know.  I got down and looked at a small brass plate 
and, with the light just right, read "Manufactured by Rovers North...."

Last time I was on the phone with them, ordering the discrete "D" ring, I
asked if they still have them? Yes, they do.  I also asked about the guts,
and I think I was told it is a Warn 8000#.  I haven't had an opportunity
to really use it yet.  I don't have a spoiler either. 

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:58:10 -0800
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> wrote:

>	Besides, this may be the last Birthday Party that you can attend.
>	If Buchanan is elected President, he intends to build a Great Wall
>	of China along the Canada USA border 

Just call Lanny at RN and ask for the 'Mining Rover' kit, so you can go under 
the wall ;)  If you don't mind being shot at, a few extra snatch blocks will 
probably get you over...

....or perhaps a big ramp...where's that guy who wanted to do 180s?

Regards,
Eric

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From: SLYKDYK@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:29:19 -0500
Subject: Mogul bashing

 We're off to Telluride Co for two weeks of skiing...Maybe the Disco can do
some mogul bashing while it's up there..Our driveway sometimes requires low
if the plow hasn't got there yet (I know..I know....LROs don't need
plows)....The toughest part is convincing my spouse the the Disco was built
for conditions at 9000+ ft above sea level in February.. See you in a couple
of weeks...Maybe one of you will be up there . We have a white Disco with
bull bar, ski rack..CO # VZL 4100. Cheerio!

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:51:19 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: D90 Commuting

Just a quick idle remark following on the comments about people who 
only commute in their RRs.  I commute in my D90 and find that it has 
some advantages for this as well.  In first gear high I can take my 
feet off all pedals and the engine will tick over at about 250 rpm and 
creep the vehicle along at sub-speedometer speeds - no stalling.  This 
comes in very handy in some of the more traffic prone portions of the 
freeway.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:57:54 -0500
Subject: Alternator goes...then what?

Thought I'd post this note on this list also, problem is how long do you have
to drive after your alternator fails, and you are running on your single 12V
battery alone.  Can anyone see problems with my calcs?  I am using the
standard Bosch Automotive Handbook, 3rd Edition.
Thanks, John P.  94 D90.

In a message dated 96-02-22 10:00:25 EST,  you write:

>From what I read, it's less than 5 amps to run the engine electrical... but 
>there is the fuel pump (still less than 2 amps).  Say 7 amps on a 600 amp/hr
>battery...

Regarding how long you should be able to drive without an alternator, I did
some checking on this today.  I wanted to see if book  calculations would
mimick  the report of 30-40 minutes with headlights, because that seems a
little too short to me.   I ran into a problem because I couldn't find how
much a standard fuel injection unit draws, (nor its fuel pump--though I was
ready to use the above quoted estimate of <2amps).  

Here are some avg power consumption figures I found: (all the I (current)
values are based on 12volts, my book gave me only the watt values)

Ignition         40W  3.3A
LowBeams  90W  7.5A
Wipers           5W   .4 A (this seems real low for a motor and mechanical
device)

My own Estimates:
Fuel Pump     24W  2.0A
Injectors      120W 10.0A
                  -----------------
approx Total   280W  23A

Now, Kelly said figure on a "600 amp/hr" battery.  I figured that value was
actually 600 CCA, or cold cranking amps, not the actual nominal capacity (Ah
or Amp-hours), which is the constant  current that can be delivered for 20
hours, this is a standard test which can let you predict
performance...exactly what I want to do here.  Unfortuanately, I also can't
find a nominal capacity for a real live battery, I called the NAPA store with
my volvo battery number (6024, a 60 month group 24, just your average
battery) and got a 250 "Load Test Amps", and a 500 CCA.  I don't think  Load
Test Amps is nominal capacity, as it is very far from a value in my Bosch
book which lists as an example of an auto starter battery, a part# 56618,
12V, 66 Ah, 300 CCA, where the 66 Ah is the nominal capacity.  Fine.  Lets
use THAT battery, even though it seems like it is a pretty small battery
judging on the low CCA number. (we'll error on the good side...)

At a total load of A= 23 amps, and a nom cap of Ah = 66 Ah,   DTC (coeff) =
A/Ah = 23/66=0.35 as a "discharge time coefficient."  Using a battery
performance graph, I get just about 3 hours until battery voltage drops below
10.5 volts, a standard test voltage below which most 12v automotive devices
won't run right.    

So, there you have it, that fellow who drove 30-40 minutes must have had his
stereo with the super bass woofer pounding away, because he aught to have
been able to go about 3 hours. :>)

Now for the real test:  Does it seem like you could drive 3 hours using
battery power alone with headlights on?  Or, could you run a 23 amp device
for 3 hours with your car battery?

  

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:08:28 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Brinelling

William L. Leacock wrote:

> The use of free wheel hubs does not save the front prop shaft.
> The bearings in the Hookes joints are needle roller, they work by rotating between the inner and outer races of the bearing.

All very plausible, but my needle bearings were not the problem. The 
splines became very worn and allowed the shaft to spin eccentrically. 
The vibration thus caused was, naturally, intense. No brinelling there, 
as the shaft extends and contracts as the suspension works up and down.

And, yes, it was very well lubricated. As the hubs are regularly locked 
for some miles to ensure inernal splash lubrication, the opportunity for 
brinelling is no greater than that which will occur, say, on the 
steering column needle roller race, I would think.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:22:52 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what?

PurnellJE@aol.com wrote:
> problem is how long do you have to drive after your alternator fails, 

All your calculations assume a unity load: i.e. resistive. I am not an 
expert (there are lots out there) but I believe that the load 
drawn by electric motors is subject to an adjusted formula. W=AV is not 
correct for motors. I recall this from when having something to do with 
generators, when the term KVa is used rather than KiloWatts. This takes 
into account non unity loads.

Someone with knowledge will tell us.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: FW: D90 Alternators...and battery capacity
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:25:14 -0800

>One battery rating that would seem very appropriate for this type of study
>is the "Reserve Capacity" which (as I recall) is the number of minutes a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
>Just my 2 volts worth...
>>-- Bob W.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:32:07 -0800
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Galvanic corrosion

Just an idea, but i am going to try it on some less structural
joins on Emerson

-wrap the bolts in teflon tape (use stainless steel/galvanized?)
-make washers out of some suitable plastic using a gasket 
  cutting set.  I am going to cheat and try plastic milk jugs
  and a hole punch

Am I just really stupid or would this actually work?

Cheers

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:28:52 -0800
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Series Lightweight Questions

Are there any lightweight owners/knowledgeable people out there
willing to answer some questions about them (probably private
is best to save bandwidth)?

CDC

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: 22 Feb 96 20:36:48 EST
From: Paul.Smail@Washcoll.EDU (Paul Smail)
Subject: Diesels and Imports

Two quick questions for the Rover gurus:

1. Why are diesel engines (non-turbos), even with their lack of horsepower and
torque, preferred for heavy off-road use?

2. Do you have any advice for importing Series Land Rovers? Both Land Rover
Owner International and Land Rover World list in their classifieds sections
businesses which "specialize" in "USA exports." What considerations must be
taken as far as taxes and laws?

Thanks,

Paul

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 20:55:51 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion

-wrap the bolts in teflon tape (use stainless steel/galvanized?)
-make washers out of some suitable plastic using a gasket 
  cutting set.  I am going to cheat and try plastic milk jugs
  and a hole punch

Am I just really stupid or would this actually work?

I don't think anything done in an honest attempt to stop corrosion could be 
called stupid... except maybe using stainless hardware in a structural 
application...

I've used rubber plumbing washers which are about 1 or 2 mm thick, between some 
of the steel washers that come up against the aluminum. I think in general, the 
bolts aren't the culprits, it's really the nuts and washers that have a lot of 
surface area up against the Birmabrat. I'd feel comfortable using em just about 
anywhere that isn't torque spec'd as I imagine the rubber will eventually decay,
leaving the fastener a little loose. I like the idea of the milk carton stuff, 
as long as they aren't designed to be UV degradable. Even so, the area under the
steel washer wouldn't be exposed to light, so...
The teflon tape may be considered excessive but go for it. Certainly cant hurt 
anything.

Dave "Too many rust holes to worry about" B.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 21:16:17 -0500
From: XINCLXLRO@learnlink.emory.edu (LRO Conference @ learnlink.emory.edu)
Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what?

PurnellJE@aol.com,Internet writes:
>So, there you have it, that fellow who drove 30-40 minutes must have had his
>stereo with the super bass woofer pounding away, because he aught to have
>been able to go about 3 hours. :>)

The guy that had the alternator fail here in Atlanta drove back approximately
140 miles to Atlanta with lights on the whole way as well as about a half hour
inside the area we were offroading in.  He made it the whole way back without
failure, we assume on battery power.  I didn't figure you could make it that
far, but apparently it's possible.

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From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:15:41 -0500
Subject: TeriAnn's List of Spares & Ian's request for copy

I saved it, and here it is.  I don't know how to make all those ">" appear
automatically in front of TeriAnn's message, so QUOTE/UNQUOTE will have to
suffice.

QUOTE
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:53:12 -0800
Subject: Re: What do you keep in YOUR tool kit?

Tool Kit that gets loaded for long trips:
- 3/8 socket set short & long sockets, short & long ratchets, breaker bar,
extensions, and torque wrench.
- an assortment of slot & phllip screwdrivers.
- a couple of cresent wrenches and vice-grips
- a set of combination wrenches, with duplicate 1/2 and 9/16 wrenches.
- gas pliers, slip jaw pliers, long nose pliers.
- large diagonal cutters, wire stripper
- continuity tester
- A couple of clip leads
- a tube of blue RTV that comes in the silver tube
- a hand full of rags
- file
- a pice of sand paper
- feeler guages
- hammer
- assorted punches & chissles

Additional Tools that stay home:
- ring pliers
- electric impact wrench & sockets
- compressor. sand blaster, cut off wheel, grinder
- pickle fork
- multimeter
- crimper
- allan wrench set
- electric side grinder

Spares:
- engine oil
- 90 wt
- rear 'U' bolts & nuts
- special hoses
- fan belt
- water pump
- plugs, cap, rotor, points, spark plug wire
- length of insulated electrical wire.
- a bale's worth of baling wire

Probably the most important part;
Before going on long trips or offroading I carefully inspct the car and
check/fill all fluids.  I do the inspection at least two weekends before the
trip so I can have a weekend to do repairs or replacements.  I restrict my
Land Rover to the road or home if I do not think the car is not mechanically
in very good shape.  I check all the fluids just before leaving.  I do not
want to be the one who breaks down.  

I think people lose patience for someone who breaks down every time that they
come out on an offroad meet.

TeriAnn
UNQUOTE

TeriAnn - Sorry I couldn't get this on the digest in time to save you trying
to reconstruct it from memory.  I saved many of the substantial submissions
on that topic, so my tool kit will have EVERYTHING in it... and be carried in
a following 18-wheeler!  

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From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:15:02 -0500
Subject: Brake system maintenance

Following onto the bandwidth about using silicone brake fluid, hygroscopic
characteristics, etc., yours truly thought he would be brilliant and
suggested that the problem could be reduced by regular bleeding, i.e.,
flushing the water out.  

On reflection, and again bear in mind that I am talking here about drum
brakes (I don't know if or how this applies to discs) I think I was grossly
mistaken.  The bleed screw and the brake line connection, on Series vehicles,
 are both at the TOP of the wheel cylinder, where they have to be to allow
air purging, therefore, it seems to me, you could pump a tanker load of
Castrol LMA through the brake lines, and you won't make a dent in the water
that has been absorbed/adsorbed in the fluid in the wheel cylinders
themselves.  Am I right in thinking that the only solution, if one continues
to use "antique" hygroscopic brake fluid, is to periodically strip down the
wheel cylinders and dry 'em out, honing, replacing, or rebuilding as
necessary. 

I am already severely depressed by Sandy Grice of the Rover Owner's
Association of Virginia telling me that I can expect serious problems from
the reformulated gas that our state (Maine) has mandated, naturally without
any effort to tell us taxpayers what we might face in the way of problems
(carb seals turning to mush, etc.), so be nice when you tell me I have
completely forgotten about the framistan connecting to the gronikle on Suffix
A Series III's.

Doug Scott
2 ea. 72 Series III  and charter member of the BB (hoping for lots of company
on the BB, it will be only as strong as the commitment of its "subscribers" -
Solihull product owners being in place to provide reasonable help to other
Solihull product owners.)

  

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:34:28 -0500
Subject: Zenith Carbs

Re: Zenith carb slop. The fit of the throttle shaft in the carb body is
critical and these carbs, as well as S.U. carbs and others, will wear out the
soft carb body and allow a bad air leak. In order to idle properly the mix is
set too rich which causes poor running in general. If you know a good local
machine shop have them line drill the body, fit bronze bushings, and ream the
bushings, and install a new shaft. If  there are no local companies try
Hemmings Motor News under MG etc. for an S.U. carb specialist. I had mine
fixed local and it worked great, and will outlast a new carb as the bronze to
bronze wont wear out for a long time. Good luck. Andy Blackley 83 RR 4sp. no
power junk Email to AKBlackley@AOL.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 18:28:46 PSZ
From: gmoore@comox.island.net (Greg Moore)
Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion

Has anyone experimented with sacrificial anode?

Cheers,Greg

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From: Pat Hubbard <patito@mail.unicom.net>
Subject: Disco Auto Transmission
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:59:07 -0600

I really like my brand new Discovery, but ...

The auto transmission holds off the 3rd to 4th gear shift until we reach =
52 mph. Does anyone know if this is this normal? Does it mean that 4th =
gear is really an overdrive, or does it mean a trip to the dealer?

Pat Hubbard
Lee's Summit, Missouri

patito@sh3.com

1996 Portofino Red Discovery

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com>
Subject: RE: Disco Auto Transmission
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:12:19 -0800

>The auto transmission holds off the 3rd to 4th gear shift until we reach =
>52 mph. Does anyone know if this is this normal? Does it mean that 4th =
>gear is really an overdrive, or does it mean a trip to the dealer?

My '95 is almost the opposite, it up-shifts very early (IMO) so much so,
that I keep the selector in 3rd around town and only use 4th (OD) on the
freeway when it's flat or downhill. The demonstrator's I've driven were like
this, too (which makes marginal acceleration very unimpressive). So, to me,
it sounds like something needs adjustment. Of course, maybe it's mine that
needs the adjustment :-)
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

>The auto transmission holds off the 3rd to 4th gear shift until we reach =

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:12:10 -0500
From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion

Is that the same as retaliating on a spammer ?
-- 
=============================================================  	 
        Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net"
       92 Range Rover (No ABS, No Sway Bars, No Air Bags, No EFI Light)
      Graduate Student, MBA Program, Old Dominion University
      Norfolk, VA, USA  
       (804) 440-5383   
=============================================================

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From: JDSalerno@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:40:57 -0500
Subject: Service manual

My son recently bought a sIII, 88 STW and would like to obtain a service or
owners manual.  Local book stores have very little Land Rover material
available.  Does anyone have a suggestion on how to obtain a  manual?  

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:46 -0500
Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

In a message dated 96-02-22 13:58:53 EST, you write:
>Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly 
>dead...
>Ha...HA,
>Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress
>95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders)  

I must agree wholeheartedly with El Senior Barnetto, if you remember, I
posted earlier that my plushmobile came factory equipped with 2 beverage
holders.  

Now, I try to choose my words carefully, and I said 'beverage' holders
because that would leave open the choice of beverage, I didn't want to say
espresso, or Fresca, or what I wish resided in there more:  Newcastle Brown
Ale (ok, it doesn't really fit neatly), because of the associations the
SERIES OWNERS would make, and of course, post accusatorily with impunity.  

...and now...this.  

I am full of shame.  Embarrassment.  VENGEANCE.    

ok, here it goes:

I DRINK ESPRESSO IN MY LAND ROVER!  AND SOMETIMES I BUY IT ALREADY MADE FOR
ME...INSTEAD OF MAKING IT HOMEBREW STYLE!

Whew!

I'm ok now.  Sorry.   John, D90, with 2 spots for loose change, spray-n-wash
tokens and old fuses (NOW where do I put my espresso?  It's like driving a
Range Rover or a Series...) 

------------------------------

From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:19 -0500
Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109

In a message dated 96-02-22 11:33:33 EST, Dave Brown, he  write:

>Just to let you all know (yeah! Like you cared!) that I loaned my RR out
>to my soon to be girlfriend
..;
Some people use greeting cards, some use roses, heck, some even use Pick Up
lines from some book bought at one of those naughty bit stores...and yes,
some, some very special, unique individuals...use Range Rovers.

What a world.  Ya know, it's great to be alive.

Wisconsin John.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Unlocking the central diff-lock

In a message dated 96-02-22 15:17:16 EST, you write:

>BTW it doesn't work for Series LR's as they 'aven't 
>a central diff).

repeat after me: 
Series have no central diff...Series have no central diff...Series have no

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:24 -0500
Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!

In a message dated 96-02-22 14:59:13 EST, Dixon, he write:

>The only chap I've seen so far turn the entire front
>	end of his D90 a light brown colour.  Inside and out.

hasn't been on wisconsin roads much, i don't think.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:58 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 Alternators and Warrantee work/ time on the bat. only...

In a message dated 96-02-22 12:34:18 EST, it was  written:

With headlights, taillights, etc you are going to increase that number to
around
22 amps or more. I don't know how one would convert this to and amp/hr rating
though. I did call last night to see how the D90 made it back on Sunday, and
found out that it made the 120 mile drive back without any trouble, and that
was
with headlights on, and starting the car a few times. Without headlights, who
knows how far you could make it. 
===========================================

Hey! My homework proved pretty darn correct!  What did I estimate...just
about 3 hours?  And, I came up with 23 amps in my estimation of the current
draw...SOMEBODY GIMME A JOB!!! 

Where is that Land Rover recruiter when I need 'em.  O yea, I forgot, I'm not
ready to move to England, yet.  

If anyone has one of those wonderful ammeters with the hook on it, go out and
run your car with the lights and wipers on and post the current reading at
the battery cable will ya...I just gotta see what the real answer is!  

John, 94 D90, and the Bosch Handbook...y'all gotta have one of these things!
(and don't forget the horn rimmed glasses, pocket calculator, pocket
protector, and Kraftwerk cassette...)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:00:03 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: jump on this one!

>From the Salt Lake Tribune Thurs Feb 22, 1996

"61 english land rover 88. safari roof, extra cleen. 4000 actual miles.
price nego. R>H> Bell (801) 896-6615 or 116 No. 500 West Richfiel Utah 84701"

This is not a gag I actually found this in the paper, check for yourselves
sound like a dream for all you antique owners. good luck!
Tebbin salvesen
87 RR   EYS edition

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:30 -0500
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

In a message dated 96-02-22 15:10:47 EST, you write:

>	OVLR Birthday Party is scheduled for June 21-23rd for those
>	interested.  Same location as last year (Silver Lake, Ontario)

Thanks Dixon.  I guess I won't see you this year, you going to owl's head the
following week? 

And is there a contact for that meet on this list?  

Thanks.
John, D90, wedding: June 23rd, hopeful Roverish honeymoon...the following
week.

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:12:15 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: Series Brake Shoes

THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'VE SENT THIS BIT IN TO THE MAJOR (THIRD TIME LUCKY)
:-( 
>Even the genuine shoes are like this, but they come with two self tapping
>screws. It takes a little work to get them started, but I have never had much
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>tap through the holes first.Works a treat,and you *do* have the retaining
>tab to make sure the self tappers dont self untap!
 Our Landies have 2 little bolts (not screws) that hold the "banjo" on the shoe.
>No idea what the banjo is for,though.
 DO NOT ASSEMBLE THE BRAKE SHOES WITHOUT THE BANJO !
 The banjo is to stop the trailing shoes from binding and locking in the drums.

Cheers, Brian Cotton
bcotton@lia.co.za
South Africa

Try this URL   http://www.lia.co.za/users/bcotton/
fore some info on the LROC of SA

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:35:54 -0800
Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion

On Thu, 22 Feb 96, "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> wrote:

>I don't think anything done in an honest attempt to stop corrosion could be 
>called stupid... except maybe using stainless hardware in a structural 
>application...

>From what I understand "extra strength" stainless fasteners are the same 
strength as a grade 5 fastener.  Does anyone know how to get these or how they 
might be identified technically?

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:36:19 -0800
Subject: Re: Mogul bashing

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, SLYKDYK@aol.com wrote:
(I know..I know....LROs don't need plows)....

How does the man who drives the plow get to the plow....?

Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:38:56 -0800
Subject: Re: jump on this one!

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us> wrote:

 ....for all you antique owners. good luck!

Them's fightin' words...watch out!  :)

Eric

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From: CrankIt@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:49:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Mile Marker hydro winches

I talked to Mile Marker and they said that they will work fine on LR's but to
expect less than the rated pull because the LR power steering pumps don't
pump to high enough pressure.  They actually suggested replacing the pump
with a Saginaw unit to allow their winch to reach rated pull power.

gene

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:49:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

> Just call Lanny at RN and ask for the 'Mining Rover' kit, so you can go under 
> the wall ;)  If you don't mind being shot at, a few extra snatch blocks will 
> probably get you over...

	Don;t worry, Tundra North with have the factory kits available
	by then.  Current production problems are revolving about the 
	difference between moose and deer...

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From: CrankIt@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:52:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift

Hi-Lift jack fits real nice behind the seats and attached to the cross brace
of the D-90.

gene

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:35:59 -0800
Subject: Re: Brake system maintenance

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, SACME@aol.com wrote:

>I am already severely depressed by Sandy Grice of the Rover Owner's
>Association of Virginia telling me that I can expect serious problems from
>the reformulated gas that our state (Maine) has mandated, 

I ran a few tanks of this through my V8 when I was up there with no ill effects 
so far...are the expected problems only with the older engines or older seals?

Eric

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:03:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party

On Fri, 23 Feb 1996 PurnellJE@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks Dixon.  I guess I won't see you this year, you going to owl's head the
> following week? 

	Owl's Head is two weeks after the Birthday Party...  Will be there,
	runnig for a 1st in "most disgusting engine bay" competition...
	Not to be confused with those who use Gunk and other toxic 
	substances that invoke ime\mediate projectile v*m*t***
	when viewed... :-)

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:47:15 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: Swivel Housing Removal

Simon, I think ?

The reason why you can't get that collar off is because it IS a pressfit.
The problem is that it takes about 10 TONNS of pressure to get it on in the
first place !
The common way to get it off is to shatter it and fit a new one but...
When you put the new one on you can heat the collar and GENTLY BASH :-0 it
in place, maybe you can get the old one off the same way but heating it in
the shaft is a bit more tricky.

Have fun
Cheers Brian
LROC of Southern Africa

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:02:22 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: 4-wheel high?

Gentlemen, lets broaden our minds !

There is a cover that bolts onto the front of the front output shaft housing
to keep mud and gunge from fowling the two shafts that operate the high
range gears inside the output shaft housing, anyway, grit caused the above
mentioned shafts to stick and render 4WD High inoperative on my girlfriends
Landy, clean them, knock them abit and lube them then all might work again.    

Cheers
Brian
LROC of Southern Africa

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:26:01 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Re: Arctic LR Disco Survial

>I'm about to purchase a 1996 Disco and will be driving it to Fairbanks AK
>in the Spring.  Im wondering if anyone has any advise on winterizing the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>in the Spring.  Im wondering if anyone has any advise on winterizing the
>Disco?  Will all of the factory lubes perform ok, IE: engine, diff and

Well hello Mel,

You should pay some attention to the washerfliud, cause it will freeze at 0 C.
LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
                ____
      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Discovery, VG-XH-66
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#         "The Chameleon"
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
[|_/  \|_____|_/  \_|]
  ( o )        ( o )

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT!
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:28:24 +0100 (MET)

Hi
Barnett writes:
> Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and  
> store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of 
> the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's 
> important, but this...?
Maybe it's just a seasonal problem related to the Serie heaters? Even that
thing I have in my 110 lets me drive at least in think pullover etc.
I onnestly thought about taking a thermocan of tea with me (fits better
to the British origin of the truck ;-)

Keep on rovering
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                 tbr1102@hpmail.lrz-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]           Brumml  exmil. 1989 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 08:51:33 +0100
From: Igor Cerutti <igor@tinet.ch>
Subject: Re: Service manual

At 23:40 22.02.96 -0500, you wrote:

>My son recently bought a sIII, 88 STW and would like to obtain a service or
>owners manual.  Local book stores have very little Land Rover material
>available.  Does anyone have a suggestion on how to obtain a  manual? 

If you know about Land Rover Owner magazine, you have the possibility to
order a lot of LR books from the LRO Book Shop. You can find also genuine
manuals and also your 88 SIII Owner Manual for  ~ =A310 (Pound).
Cheers
IGOR

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 igor@tinet.ch
   |o    |  #####  |    o|               
   | ( ) |#########| ( ) |      	    '74 88 SIII Truck Cab =09
   |o    |#########|    o|                  '86 Range Rover Vogue 3.5 Efi
   |_____|_ ##### _|_____|                  '93 Defender 90 Tdi
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Date: 22 Feb 1996 10:50:32 U
From: "Marc Rengers" <Marc.Rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl>
Subject: test mail

try to test !!

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From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 04:13:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion

I missed the intro to your article. If you want to discuss rust/corrosion then 
i am an afifionado. smitha@candw.lc 

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates) wrote:

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 24 lines)]
> __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
>|__|__|__\/__   
>|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:53:21 -0800
From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Franklin H. Yap )
Subject: Why Rovers cost so much ...

>I think I know why new Rovers cost so much compared to other SUVs:
>LR has already figured in the cost of warranty work into their sale
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>quality from the factory, they could charge much less because they
>wouldn't be paying for warranty work.

I won’t get into the QC issue.  But, the Discovery is actually a 
bargain in the US.  I’ll bet the price is going to go up once it 
becomes well established (and its QC improves).  At today’s list price, 
the Discovery is priced quite competitively in the US market.  
(However, many of its competitors sometimes offer deep discounts which 
can affect the price comparisons.)  I wouldn't knock LR dealers open 
approach towards warranty claims.  It is a lot better than the stories 
I have heard of people fighting to get warranty items covered on US 
made 4x4s.  I think the true bumper-to-bumper coverage that LRNA offers 
goes a long way to offset the QC problems.

In the March LROI, a reader in England writes:  “ ... the specification 
that Discoverys arrive with as standard fit in America.  It’s way above 
what we in Britain get.  [p] Then there’s the price American’s pay for 
their vehicles.  Even taking into account USA tax and the fact that 
Oregon does not have a sales tax, we still have to pay some [UK#]7000 
over the odds for a vehicle made less than 50 miles from where I live. 
[p]  Third, and by far the most important point, every Land Rover sold 
in America comes with a three-year/42,000 mile warranty. [In England 
there is a 1 year warranty.]”

I was in Australia several years ago and looked at the Land Rover 
products that were available.  I remember the top of the line Range 
Rover was about Aus$100k -- probably more now.  

The Discovery wasn’t available yet in the US but the price was in line 
with most of the comparable Japanese 4x4s.  I’m not sure if its because 
of taxes, but I did notice that the Japanese 4x4s were considerably 
more expensive in Australia than in the US.  A fully loaded Toyota 
Landcruiser in Australia was priced a little bit less (about Aus$90k, 
although the base LC was about Aus$40k) than the Range Rover yet was 
sold in the US for about $35K. (Almost 2x as much in Australia than in 
the US!)

But, the Defender appears to be cheaper everywhere else than in the US. 
 Then again, nobody else gets the high speced US version so there is no 
true comparison (although many would prefer a lower speced at a lower 
price!).

I was walking along Auto Row in Oakland a couple months ago and noticed 
that a fully loaded Izuzu Rodeo had a sticker price in the low $30Ks 
($31-32k). (This was the "factory" sticker price and did not include 
"Additional dealer markup.")  I had to look at it several times to be 
sure what I was seeing was correct.  I know the Rodeo starts at about 
$15k (2wd) and could be enticing to someone who wants a cheap 4x4. But 
to pay $31-32k for a Rodeo when you could get a (much better than 
equivalent) Discovery for about $35k doesn't make much sense. (In all 
fairness, I bet you could get a substantial discount below the sticker 
for that Rodeo.) 

The grass is always greener ...

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:01:48 +0200 (GMT+0200)
From: Andrew Birrell <pdandrew@iafrica.com>
Subject: Re: 50th Tour of RSA

If you wish to import your vehicle to SA for the tour, then you would 
have to be in possession of a "carnet de passages". This document will 
obviate the need for paying deposits on import duties etc (in case you do 
not re-export the vehicle after the trip), and can be issued by most 
motoring organisations (eg the Automobile Association, the RAC (in the UK)).

Andrew Birrell
Cape Town

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com wrote:

> Bruce.

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> Just wondering
> TeriAnn
> People keep asking me if the car has seen Africa

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 10:31:37 +0100
From: Igor Cerutti <igor@tinet.ch>
Subject: Re: Service manual

At 23:40 22.02.96 -0500, you wrote:

I re-send this message, because of some configuration problems. I think now
is read-able!

>My son recently bought a sIII, 88 STW and would like to obtain a service or
>owners manual.  Local book stores have very little Land Rover material
>available.  Does anyone have a suggestion on how to obtain a  manual?  

If you know about Land Rover Owner magazine, you have the possibility to
order a lot of LR books from the LRO Book Shop. You can find also genuine
manuals and also your 88 SIII Owner Manual for about 10 Pounds. 
Cheers
IGOR

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    |         |		|                   Igor Cerutti
    |         |         | 		    Via Bressanella 1a	
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |      		    CH-6828 Balerna
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O                 Switzerland
   \____=== ===== ===____/                  igor@tinet.ch
   |o    |  #####  |    o|                
   | ( ) |#########| ( ) |      	    '74 88 SIII Truck Cab 	
   |o    |#########|    o|                  '86 Range Rover Vogue 3.5 Efi 
   |_____|_ ##### _|_____|                  '93 Defender 90 Tdi
  [_______________________]
     XXXX           XXXX
     XXXX	    XXXX

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From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 05:41:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Service manual

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, JDSalerno@aol.com wrote:
>My son recently bought a sIII, 88 STW and would like to obtain a service or
>owners manual.  Local book stores have very little Land Rover material
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>available.  Does anyone have a suggestion on how to obtain a  manual?  
>Everything you need is available from the Land Rover Owner Bookshop: LRO Mail 
Order Ltd, (UK), fax 011 1379 898244
>My son recently bought a sIII, 88 STW and would like to obtain a service or

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:52:44 +0100
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: Travelling through Europe in a 109

On 16/02 Ian Stuart wrote that he's planning to make a trip to Europe. 
'Little wrinkles that will cause problems for a 109 with a 2.25 (leaded) 
petrol'.
There schouldn't be any problems with such a car except maybe the bill of 
the petrol...
Be ware of one thing especially for Belgium: In the southern part of 
Belgium, the french speaking part- Wallonie, there is since 01/01/96 a new 
law with the prohibition of driving on non-metalled roads (even for 
mountain-bikes)!!
>.
Philippe, '81 Lightweight

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 09:24:27 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: NaOH + Al = blech!

David wrote: "Does anyone know the chemical reaction between sodium hydroxide 
and 
anluminum?"

Fizz, Fizz, emission of hydrogen, heat, and creation of salts...I believe :)

Matthew

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:14:29 +0100
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: Leaky master cilinder

Hi, 
The master cilinder of my clutch is leaky for a while now and became worse 
when it became cold outside. I even had to refill the resevoir 1 or two 
times a week. The pedal was feeling spongy. One day I had even no clutch at 
all, (the reservoir was empty). After refilling and a lot of pumping (I had 
no time to bleed the thing) I could drive again. Now (2 weeks later) the 
pedal isn't feeling spongy anymore, the thing doesn't leak anymore (to be 
honest a very, very small amount) and I didn't bleed the system ! Does 
somebody understand this ? Was there a little dwarf who fixed it at night or 
is a Landy such a good car that it even repairs itself...  

Philippe, Belgium, 
'81 Lightweight

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 09:45:05 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: ...attempt at humour, no

Dixon wrote about the very popular "Roadkill Cookbook". Please note that this 
should *NOT* be used without first consulting the adjunct book "The Field 
Guide to Roadkill Identification". Many people have made the fatal (socially) 
mistake of serving up dog under the mistaken notion that it was wild pig. 
Canine meat does *NOT* go well with apple jelly as does Porcine meat, and must 
rather be served thinly sliced with relish or with coriander. To avoid 
embarrassment, one should keep this guide handy at all times

Obviously the normal guides to species identification such as calls, fecal 
matter, and habitat, are not applicable to roadkill identification. (Some 
discerning folk carry fingerprint pads, in order to extract paw/hoof/foot 
prints to compare with standard guides). The Roadkill Identification Guide 
uses more pathological aids such as : damage to radiator, windscreen, bite 
marks, ID documents, drivers licenses, etc.

Enquiries can be made to W.H.A. Datfing, H.O.O. Datsplatt of Findemcookum Inc.

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