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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:18:15 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Front Locking Hubs - Use 'Em

>research is to jack up the front axle and rotate a wheel with hubs
>first locked, then unlocked. Any change in effort required will indicate
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>sensible fitment for hard road driving?
>Some of us may be dumb, but not stupid.
Oh dear.I'm beginning to wish I'd never asked the question in the
first place.And all I wanted was a manufacturers name.Grateful thanks
BTW,to those who furnished the info.Why is it that the mere mention
of FWH on this list produces instant internecine strife?
However,with reference to the above,I seem to remember reading somewhere
about a similar bit of empirical research being done by Land Rover
themselves.It consisted of pulling two vehicles one fitted with FWH,
one not,by hand,across a warehouse floor,with a spring balance in the
tow line.If my memory is correct,this seems a bit stupid,because the
two vehicles would have different rolling resistances anyway.Much better
to just use the one vehicle.However,the upshot was they couldnt see why
the hubs were fitted.Didnt make much difference apparently.But I'm *still*
going to fit them!
Cheers
Mike Rooth (Unrepentant)

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From: David Scott Mary Ann <birddog@auburn.campus.mci.net>
Subject: TeriAnn post
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:03:31 -0600

TeriAnn's post on patching up Land Rovers hit a real chord with me.  I =
just finished tearing down an engine off a great 69 88.  The PO Had used =
silicone sealant to replace the water pump and  sump pan instead of a =
few bucks for the gasket.  The silicone had traveled from the Wtr pump =
to the head gasket and  closed the small water hole for the number two =
cylinder.  this had over heated the cylinder and had caused it to wear =
to the point the block had to be bored to 40 over rather than be honed.  =
It also  was running with a bent push rod.  This engine also had an =
electric, jury rigged, fuel pump.  She accepted this well ran darn good =
except for  a small oil use of one qt per 30mi.  Also running pretty =
good with an unrebuildable carb. 
I just read TeriAnn's post from the archives 94.2 on tools to carry and =
checklist for long trips.  An absolute must read for those who haven't.  =
Thanks TeriAnn, hope to meet up with you some day if I can survive =
restoring one of these abused children.
Question:  how do you all in Roverland  clean/touch up galvinized metal. =
 Mine was painted, now stripped
birddog   4 11a pickups, 3 88's, 89kRR,  Wanted 38k def 110 NAS

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:11:59 +0000
From: Arron <asd1@ukc.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: TeriAnn post

Don't touch it up. get it redone.  Cost about # 30.00 for the 
galv body strips, door strips & corner pieces.

	But you will need some new rivits to put it all back.

	Arron

	P.S. there are different grades of galv. some are a bit rough, so 
check first.

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Date:         Wed, 21 Feb 96 08:27:16 LCL
From: Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Help! Leaking from Alpine windows in a Discovery!

I've also had water leaks with my 96 Disco.  After a good washing including
flushing out the wheel wells, water soaked the rear load carpets and mats.
I had to remove the rear seats and all carpet/mats for it to dry out.  While
it was 'bare' I took the hose and tried to find the leak (I had no luck).
Does anyone have any ideas??  thanks....

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 08:44:30 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: "Don't forget to lock Hubs"

.Didnt make much difference apparently.But I'm *still*
going to fit them!
Cheers
Mike Rooth (Unrepentant)

Ok, time for my two (2) cents here. FWH's are a good thing, but you don't NEED 
them. During snowy periods I keep 'em locked, so that I can just pop the little 
yellow guy down and blast through 5 foot snow drifts. I can attest to the fact 
that the car (truck, Rover, cursed demon bastard heap of Birmabrat or whatever 
you call it) is definitely slower with the hubs engaged. Overall speed doesn't 
change but acceleration is less. Also noise increases dramatically. Also more 
gear oil flies out of the hubs when they are engaged. Another good thing about 
engaging them once in a while is that spinning the propshaft allows all the 
water to come out of the U-joints. This makes room for grease or more water, 
depending on your preference. Seriously though, if you have a crappy propshaft, 
like somebody said earlier, you could be in BIG trouble if it gives it up. I 
imagine it would be somewhat akin to a large metal "snake coming out of a hole" 
(not my words:-)) that would tear up everything in its path. Things like oil 
filters, engine blocks, small mammals(not again!) and the like. Another drawback
to FWH's is forgetting to lock them. Green Car has performed some pretty 
astounding (some not quite so) feats in "2 wheel drive low range". Contemplating
some sort of sticker for the dashboard as reminder to get out and lock the damn 
things.
I've seen alot of Rovers w/o them, so obviously you don't need them, and they 
could be a big pain if most of your use is off road...I personally like them. 

Warmest Regards from our(USA) nation's capitol,
Dave Bobeck
dbobeck@ushmm.org 

Larry Smith please email me.  

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:50:19 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Radio for PTO

Peter Hirsch wrote:
snip
> way? Do you own a Series vehicle or are you an outsider? Really! Next thing 
snip

Yep, I'm an outsider. I drive a lightweight. 

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 9:00:31 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Trip to RN Winter Off-road Driving School (long)

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From: HalatGRM@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:08:58 -0500

e source of accessories, parts, etc. for
Discoveries?  Send me your sources and reasons why you like them (price,
service, delivery, etc.), and I'll repost a summary.  (Unless, of course,
someone notes this has recently been discussed ad nauseum  :)

I'm also curious as to where I can find a good set of shop manuals.

Thanks,
Hal Hunnicutt
96 Disco, 842 miles and a damn frustrated off-road virgin (the car, not me)

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:21:15 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Mass. charged me 46% sales tax on my 1963 Land Rover !

Bill Caloccia complains (and rightly so)

It seems that those cretins at the Mass. Dept. of Revenue, use
``book'' value in accessing sales taxes, and it would seem that their
book value for a 1963 Land Rover is some $6800. 

Did you show them the customs forms? Of course with the "States 
Rights" movement now so popular (it was also popular in the South in 
the 1860's) I imagine MA enjoys an opportunity to say F*** off to the 
Feds.
But I think you'd have a pretty good case for appeal. In VA, where I 
used to live, I think they had the same policy, but if you could prove 
you *really* paid what you said for it, they used that figure. I can 
sort of understand thier point of view, there were alot of $500 BMW's 
and such, but check the fine print of the rules, there may be an out 
for you. 

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:23:06 +0000
Subject:       Re: Message not deliverable

Quoting Administrator_at_GSA-2P__1@cc, from 20 Feb 96

> I am wondering which type of spark plug leads are best for my 86in 1954
> SI, original solid (Cu) core leads (not worried about radio reception,
> just original performance, or a set of carbon spark plug leads off the
> shelf?
I have an old (mid '70's) Mini distributor cap and lead set - abit with a 
longer coil lead.

It's all "off the shelf" stuff, and cheap ;-)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scotissityness"

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:51:12 -0500
From: Martin_Eglitis@nih.gov (Martin Eglitis)
Subject: I don't need no stinking lights

Well, after owning my Discovery for 1 1/2 yr, Mr Lucas has finally paid me
a visit. Does anyone have any advice as to the source of the following
behaviour?

Episode One: Starting in cold (-8C) weather; turned on lights at steering
column switch bu nothing happened. Jiggled the switch, finally turned off
the car to walk around and scratch my head. Turned car back on, now the
lights turned on, no problem.

Wrote this off to random craziness, but last night,
Episode Two: driving home in light (but soaking) drizzle, temp about 5C,
used column switch to indicate a lane change, and all the signals began
flashing. Despite much jiggling of the switch, would not return to normal.
Would not turn off even when I turned off the ignition (ie behaving like
emergency flashers). Still flashing when I went to start her up this
morning, but, once started, the flashing stopped and now everything works
normally.

The puzzling thing is the apparent re-set when re-started. Does anyone have
a suggestion of how to describe this to the dealer at next service? Or had
it happen to them? Is this a symptom of impending electrical system
melt-down, or should I accept this as another loveable LR quality?

Martin Eglitis
'94 Black Discovery

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:23:15 -0500
Subject: Re: "Don't forget to lock Hubs".....attempt at humour, no real LR content. 

In a message dated 96-02-21 08:43:58 EST, you write:
>Ok, time for my two (2) cents here. FWH's are a good thing, but you don't
NEED them. During snowy periods I keep 'em locked, so that I can just pop the
little  yellow guy down and blast through 5 foot snow drifts.>>
>.
Now, this is exactly why I bought a Defender, rather than a Series...I didn't
want to get sucked into the FWH arguments, especially since I wouldn't be
able to lock the center diff on the older trucks...

John D90
(...if I cut a hole in my front rims, *I* could use free wheeling hubs...)

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:11:54 -0500
From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Message not deliverable

Can you please change the Subject line on your messages, so we don't 
have to read devery message ????????
-- 
=============================================================  	 
        Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net"
       92 Range Rover (No ABS, No Sway Bars, No Air Bags, No EFI Light)
      Graduate Student, MBA Program, Old Dominion University
      Norfolk, VA, USA  
       (804) 440-5383   
=============================================================

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 12:13:38 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: ...attempt at humour, no...No what?

Now, this is exactly why I bought a Defender, rather than a Series...I didn't
want to get sucked into the FWH arguments, especially since I wouldn't be
able to lock the center diff on the older trucks...

Its always locked:-)

Once off the truck, FWH's make excellent paperweights. Or nutcrackers. Or if you
find any small mammals hiding about your vehicle they do a nice job on those 
too. Now, how did that manifold cooking go again?

Dave "The Rolling Chef" B.
(wire grill for 'roo burgers, manifold stove, and "icebox" in the back)

oh yeah and 7.00x 15 meat tenderizers!

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:14:12 -0500
From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Trip to RN Winter Off-road Driving School (long)

What does it say?  Mine was scrambled....maybe you have to convert it to 
straight text format.....??? : (
-- 
=============================================================  	 
        Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net"
       92 Range Rover (No ABS, No Sway Bars, No Air Bags, No EFI Light)
      Graduate Student, MBA Program, Old Dominion University
      Norfolk, VA, USA  
       (804) 440-5383   
=============================================================

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:04:06 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: "Don't forget to lock Hubs"

>Ok, time for my two (2) cents here. FWH's are a good thing, but you don't NEED

>them.
>I've seen alot of Rovers w/o them, so obviously you don't need them, and they
>could be a big pain if most of your use is off road...I personally like them.

Oh,I agree.There was evidence that my 11A once had them,when I bought it,
to whit,a notice on the dashboard giving chapter and verse on do's and dont's.
But someone had taken 'em off (bastards),and I've managed for nine years
without any.But then,I managed for seven years with the temperature gauge
registering little more than cold,until I had a good think about it,and
solved the problem.
But...I've used 4WD about three times in nine years.The Land Rover is my only
vehicle,and it was bought because(this is my story,and I'm sticking to it)
I considered it the ideal vehicle to have if you've got a horse.Cars get
*filthy* around horses,embarrassingly so,but no one even *expects*a Land Rover
to be clean,so sod 'em say I.On the occasions 4WD *has* been necessary,such
as recovering a horse trailer from a sloping,wet,grassed field..uphill,
(A Volvo pulled it down there),I would have had plenty of time to get out
and set the hubs.Its actually surprising what you can do with a Land Rover
in 2WD,it will go nearly anywhere.But no,you certainly dont need them.I just
want some,that's all.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 12:20:23 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: ...attempt at humour, no...No what?

sorry last message got chopped- here's the intended ending. -D

Dave "The Rolling Chef" B.
(wire grill for 'roo burgers, manifold stove, and "icebox" in the back)

and 7.00 x 15" meat tenderizers on all four corners!

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 12:28:49 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: ...attempt at humour, no...No what?

one more try...

Dave "The Rolling Chef" B.
(wire grill for 'roo burgers, manifold stove, and "icebox" in the back)
and 7.00 x 15 meat tenderizers! 

------------------------------

From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:24:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Message not deliverable

Hello all - when I download my mail almost all of it is now listed as coming 
from the administrator, with the subject being message not deliverable, while 
there are actual messages there to be read. It gegan a few days ago with one 
or two. Any suggestions on what is causing this?
Thanks in advance.
Allan Smith
St. Lucia
Tdi 90

------------------------------

From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:23:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Message not deliverable

Hello all - when I download my mail almost all of it is now listed as coming 
from the administrator, with the subject being message not deliverable, while 
there are actual messages there to be read. It gegan a few days ago with one 
or two. Any suggestions on what is causing this?
Thanks in advance.
Allan Smith
St. Lucia
Tdi 90

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:13 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: RE: front hitch receiver

>Matt,
>How much was the hitch ? Are you using it to mount a winch ??? I want to do 
>the same thing, put on a receiver hitch then mount a Warn winch. 

It was $195.  I do plan to get a receiver mounted winch ultimately, but for 
the moment I just fitted a tow shackel.

-Matt

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:32:22 -0800
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: FYI: Trip to RN Winter Off-road Driving School (long)

The size of the Message Text is  7300(> 6K), So it is kept in the First Attachment

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end

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:34:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: 88 RR: Fuel Pump

Recently I had the fuel pump fail outside Ottawa. Otto's supplied the 
replacement.

The 88 RR was never imported into Canada, so I am wondering what fuel 
pump was installed. I asked the garage for the part number - but no luck 
yet. They handled me the old one - just the pump itself, no top (that 
screws on to the tank), no cradle.

I spoke to Lanny at Rovers North. He thinks it might be a pump for a 91 
RR. Can anyone help? Does anyone know the lore of RR fuel pumps?

...chris
88 RR
Montreal, Canada

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:36:35 +0100
Subject: Faxing to Solihull or anywhere in UK

In the process of sending some faxes to the UK I learned any cheaper 
way for me to do it is to email to:

remote-printer.PERSON/COMPANY@44NNNNNNNNNN.iddd.tpc.int

where you subsitute the name of the recipient for PERSON; the name of 
the company for COMPANY and the UK phone number (without the leading 
0) for NNNNNNNNN. Works for faxes to some other places, but the whole 
of UK is covered.

I used this to ask for information from several LR parts suppliers in 
the UK.

If you are concerned about what you put in email messages (such as
credit card numbers) remember the message travels by Internet email 
part of the way.

--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:51:37 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: ...attempt at humour, no...No what?

> Once off the truck, FWH's make excellent paperweights. Or nutcrackers. Or if you
> find any small mammals hiding about your vehicle they do a nice job on those 
> too. 

???? I don't get it. My small mammals are always unlocked. 

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:57:40 +0000
Subject:       TeriAnn's list of spares....

Can someone tell me whare to find the above list (I didn't keep a copy and 
my quick troll around the Net has not located it..)

Much appreciated...

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scotissityness"

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 13:00:15 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[3]: ...attempt at humour, no...No what?

why is my comment about meat tenderizing getting wiped out?

one more try...

Dave "The Rolling Chef" B.
(wire grill for 'roo burgers, manifold stove, and "icebox" in the back)

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From: Administrator_at_GSA-2P__1@ccgate1.gsa.gov
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 07:14:56 est
Subject: Message not deliverable

David Olley wrote:
>lopezba@atnet.at wrote:
>> apparently it is the water contained in the normal brake fluid that 
starts to boil. 
>It is not normal for brake fluid to contain water. If this is the case, 
>then the whole system should be drained and filled with fresh fluid.
  [ truncated by lro-lite (was 9 lines)]
>recommend changes at intervals.
>David Olley

Sorry, I was not exact in what I said. I did not mean to imply that brake 
fluid normally contains water, except that it does, of course, if it is in 
the hydraulic system, since nobody believes the manufacturers claim that it 
is hygroscopic and will deteriorate over time - everybody thinks it is a 
sales ploy, and nobody changes the brake fluid, so *normally* it contains 
water, except when it is in the original container, when it hopefully does not.

Hygros is the Greek word for moisture, BTW, so it is hygroscopic, not 
hydroscopic. Boy, the erudition on this list!

However - am I right in saying that silicone fluid does not attract moisture 
and will not start to boil when brakes overheat? (And will not cause 
corrosion in your valuable original steel brake pipes?) And what could the 
problem be that started all this?
Hungry for more technical/chemical/physical/roverical information
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria

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From: Administrator_at_GSA-2P__1@ccgate1.gsa.gov
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 07:15:50 est
Subject: Message not deliverable

I'm also interested in using this brake fluid.  Silicone is not hygroscopic, so
I would assume that the impact that water has on caliper pistons, brake lines,
etc.  would be practically eliminated.  However, does this brake fluid have the
same compression characteristics as regular brake fluid?  Will the silicone
attack rubber?  Why is it that this brake fluid is not recommended for ABS
brakes?

Anybody know?

Roger Hall
'89 RR 

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:33:12 -0800

Ya know,

I think I know why new Rovers cost so much compared to other SUVs:
LR has already figured in the cost of warranty work into their sale
price. I figure this because LR dealers fix everything under
warranty with few questions (they just pass the cost on to LR). If
LR sold these trucks for a more reasonable cost but with the same
problems, they would go bankrupt quickly. If they actually improved
quality from the factory, they could charge much less because they
wouldn't be paying for warranty work.

Apparently, they finally determined that it was impossible to get
the factory help to do quality work so crank up the price and cover
the warranty costs later at the dealership (maybe the workmanship
at the dealer is better than at the factory).

This goes a long way in explaining why the trucks are expensive and
yet fall have so many quality problems. Personally, I think it is a
stupid way of doing business: fire the lazy buggers, put out a
quality product, lower the price and dramatically increase sales.
It is much cheaper to do the job right the first time.

My $5.67 worth (I am overcharging for 2 cents worth of opinion for
necessary warranty work in the future: I am to shoddy to make a
quality opinion the first time :>}

On Feb 21,  9:42am, BRITPAC@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: D90 Alt's and Range Rover threads
>Thanks, folks, for all the good postings! It appears that (1)
D90's do indeed
>have a problem with 'stuff' getting to the alternator, and (2) the
dealers

>are only too happy to send in warranty claims to LRNA. So far,
apart from the
>sales staff and multiple-marque dealers, it seems that Land Rover
service
>departments are doing a good job. Has anyone had a bad experience
with
>warranty work at a Land Rover Center?
>This kind of information is really helpful to us and makes for

good reading.
>There is no substitute for field experience.
>Steve/BRITPAC
>-- End of excerpt from BRITPAC@aol.com

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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From: "DAVE MCKAIN" <MCKAIN@cemr.wvu.edu>
Date:          Tue, 20 Feb 1996 12:02:48 EDT
Subject:       Re: Electrolysis, Alum

We used to use zinc chromate like it was going out of style when I 
was in the Navy but chromates seem to be a carcinogen. I do know that 
you used to be able to get ZC for about $30 US as gallon but with new 
regulations it went up to $80. BTW I never saw a drop of Naval Jelly 
(phosphric acid) while I was in the Navy. Some guy had previously 
managed to dump a 5 gallon bucket on himself so the Navy stopped using it. 
Dupont now has an special aluminum primer (don't remember the number) 
but it's prohibitively expensive compared to the two part systems.
Does anyone know the chemical reaction between sodium hydroxide and 
anluminum?

David McKain
1972 SIII SWB (parting)
1970 SIIA SWB (parting)
1969 SIIA SWB (parting)
1959 SII Ex-Mil SWB
1963 SIIA SWB
mckain@cemr.wvu.edu
(304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV
USA                     

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From: "DAVE MCKAIN" <MCKAIN@cemr.wvu.edu>
Date:          Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:47:29 EDT
Subject:       Re: The Birmabright Brotherhood

Since my address and phone # are on my e-mail signiture and I have a 
few whitworth wrenches I guess I can be part of the Brotherhood. All 
I want to know is the secret handshake and sign. Seriously, anyone 
who has trouble in the neighborhood give me a ring and I'll try to 
help them out. I do have plenty of series spares (xmissions, diffs, 
etc...). Whosoever is in charge of the list can put me on if they 
want.
Take care,

David McKain
1972 SIII SWB (parting)
1970 SIIA SWB (parting)
1969 SIIA SWB (parting)
1959 SII Ex-Mil SWB
1963 SIIA SWB
mckain@cemr.wvu.edu
(304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV
USA                     

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From: "DAVE MCKAIN" <MCKAIN@cemr.wvu.edu>
Date:          Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:56:53 EDT
Subject:       Re: Front Locking Hubs - Use 'Em

> For those who have opined to the contrary, my suggestion for empirical 
> research is to jack up the front axle and rotate a wheel with hubs 
> first locked, then unlocked. Any change in effort required will indicate 
> power required to turn the extra mass of components.

That only indicated the additional torque required, the extra power 
used will be Power = Torque (ft-lbf) * Speed (rpm) / 5252.
The only other losses will be due to inertia which is
Torque (inertial) = I (Rotational Inertia of parts) * alpha 
(rotational acceleration of the parts) which BTW is insignificant. As 
you said, wear and tear is probably the greatest concern.

Later,

 

David McKain
1972 SIII SWB (parting)
1970 SIIA SWB (parting)
1969 SIIA SWB (parting)
1959 SII Ex-Mil SWB
1963 SIIA SWB
mckain@cemr.wvu.edu
(304) 599-0120
Morgantown, WV
USA                     

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:57:21 -0800
Subject: Re: TeriAnn's list of spares....

Ian,

I'll try to reconstruct it off the top of my head

I carry:
- Tools, shop towels, fluids (90 wt, 20-50, brake fluid) RTV.
- A set of radiator hoses & a length of heater hose equal to the length of my
longest heater hose.
- fan belt
- water pump
- distributer ready to put in or points, condensor, rotor, cap.
- at least one long spark plug wire
- set of spark plugs
- a pair of rear 'U' bolts (recently added because i ripped a pair out on a
recent rock climbing run, and a friend ripped a pair out on the run after)
- new fuel filter
- fuel pump
- coil
- bailing wire
- drop cloth
- two clip leads & a length of insulated electrical wire.
- parts book and phone number of a LR parts house

I try to cover what is likely to break without notice and leave you stranded.
 To me the most important thing is preperation.  If I do not think my drive
train, steering and suspension are in excellent condition the Green Rover
does not venture off road.  Two weekends before a trip I go over the car
checking parts, clearences, tightness, wear, etc. I also pay close attention
to the condition of the engine and transmision mounts.  This allows me time
to order & install parts before the trip.  The weekend before the trip, I
check all fluids and air pressures.  My goal is not to break down in the
first place.

I have special rear axles.  If I did not, I would carry a pair of new ones as
spares.  I would also run a line the length of the installed axles and
inspect the line before venturing out, replacing both axles if there is any
sign of twisting of one of the lines.

Its nice convoying with others because they often carry different spares and
tools adding to the pool of parts available in case of emergency.  If someone
else hadn't had a spare 'U' bolt and some one else a hand sludge, I would
have been stranded near the top of a canyon overlooking Death Valley.

I don't remember what I wrote originally, but the above should be ball park.
 My spares pile varies over time (I now carry a new distributer and a carb
rebuild kit).  As I said I think the single most important thing is the
condition of your car starting out on a trip.

Take care,

Maybe I can say hi at the Billing meet

TeriAnn

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Date: 	Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:57:31 -0800
From: cyoungso@direct.ca (Chris Youngson)
Subject: LRNA ads in LRO/LRW

I found it interesting that LRNA has ads in LRW/LRO. They are they same ads
as in American magazines. They even have US prices. When did they start 
this? 73

Chris Youngson, VE7CST
West Vancouver, BC
1965 109

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:06:58 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: email - lroi

The new owners of LROI (EMAP Publishing Group) are now running the mag 
as a pure money making enterprise. The previous owners, whilst being 
thorough-going businessmen, had a slightly different attitude. The new 
owners have no time (or inclination methinks) for modern technology, and 
it is pretty clear that they don't monitor this list. I think they 
should, because it is a very good way to keep abreast of opinions in the 
Land Rover Owning community. They could even contribute!!!!

I suspect that the email address given is probably that of an employee 
who runs his own private Internet facility.

This could explain the delays in replies. Rather unprofessional, ain't 
it?

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 21 Feb 96 12:18:17 MST
Subject: Hi-lift jack mounting in a RR or Disco.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
I found a place to mount my Hi-lift jack in my RR. Using the Hi-lift
"mounting/lock" kit, I attached the mounting bracket to the center of
the angled floor part in front of the rear seat. The handle of the jack
facing down (floor), and the base on the passenger side, close to the
door. The other "mounting hook" that came with the kit I didn't use. The
wing nut is sufficient to secure the jack from sliding or moving at all.
The seats still fold forward, though the base of the jack can press into
the seat cushion if the front passenger seat is not back far enough.
(This will make sense when you try it out.) The only disadvantage is a
slight inconvenience (foot room) when entering the passenger rear door.
It really isn't that bad though. I figured two bolts to attach the
bracket to the floor was sufficient. (Very non-Land-Rover, eh?)

I too, had it in the rear of the RR and got the carpet gouged and torn
on the tailgate after some hard wheeling. A little weatherstrip adhesive
took care of it, and unless you were looking for the tears...

I also mounted two tie down hooks on each side of the rear area. The
right side is no problem, lot's of places to attach it to. For the left
side, I attached one on the inside rear (facing the front of the
vehicle) next to the tailgate. The other, right in front of the spare
tire. I can't imaging where one would mount tie down hooks in a Disco
though. (Other than the floor, of course.)

I must admit, it sure is nice NOT to have my 4-wheeling junk box and
tool box sliding around and the tool box rolling over.

Now, to remount the CD changer so it doesn't skip... Any suggestions?

#=======#         _________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:21:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: ...attempt at humour, no...No what?

On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Bobeck, David R. wrote:

>  off the truck, FWH's make excellent paperweights. Or nutcrackers. Or if you
> find any small mammals hiding about your vehicle they do a nice job on those 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Dave "The Rolling Chef" B.
> (wire grill for 'roo burgers, manifold stove, and "icebox" in the back)
>.
	You forgot to put in the description of your authentic Series
	"Real Man"<tm> manifold cooker.  While the quiche crowd here
	plays with aluminium meatloaf pans and such, you have that heavy
	wire cage bolted to the top of the exhaust manifold.  If I
	remember correctly, you got that as a "Christmas" present
	from Will after you complained that the small mammals that
	you found along side of the road kept falling off.  I understand
	that the cage came with "The Field Guide to Flattened Fauna" as
	well as "The Roadkill Cookbook".  The complete set, of course from
	Rovers North with Genuine cage...   I think I'll just go phone
	Lanny and see if they are still on special.

	Rgds,

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 19:28:27 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: NH WINTER SAFARI

All, 

Anyone interested in a upcoming winter Safari through to woods of South 
Western NH. ??

A group of Series vehicles and a Range Rover will be departing @ 10am Saturday 
16th from KEENE NH for some moderate to light non damaging off roading, water, 
lots of water and MUD, oh boy will there be MUD !!!! 

Pack a lunch. 

This WILL  be fun !

Those interested e-mail me back.  And I will send you a map of where to meet. 

Mark

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:33:38
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Re: Diesels and Imports

1. Why are diesel engines (non-turbos), even with their lack of horsepower
and torque, preferred for heavy off-road use?

Simply because the loud noise scares off the bears and the smoke allows for 
easy spotting.
BTW they are VERY torquey. What they lack is high end oomph.

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:35:42
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Re: Help! Leaking from Alpine windows in a Discovery!

Water is obviously not coming from the alpine window. Amy other holes in your 
head(liner)?

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:40:42 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Front Locking Hubs - Use 'Em

DAVE MCKAIN wrote:

> That only indicated the additional torque required.....

I can be pedantic too, Dave. There is a wider meaning of the word 
_indicate_. I did not use it in the loose sense that you seem to think. 
I fully appreciate your scientific explanation, but to those of us 
unfamiliar with the formulae for calculating (let alone making the 
distinction between torque and power), turning something which is hard 
to turn would _indicate_ a greater _power_ requirement than something 
which is easy to turn. By the way, the other losses must also include 
friction, which, despite lubricants, is still present in buckets. No? 
Especially in winter, and the drive train is not subject to much 
heating, unlike the engine and gearbox.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 21 Feb 96 12:59:08 MST
Subject: LR Manuals...

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
I just recently got a 2 volume set of RR manuals for $79.95 from a
company called "Car Tech." Phone number: 1-800-551-4754. I also got a
Series II parts manual, and original owners manual. (Probably a reprit,
but none the less.) They have a $ back guarantee, so it's worth a shot!

They also sent me a listing of various car workshop manuals, everything
from Abarth to Volvo. Many odd-ball vehicles (auburn, cord, duesenberg,
bristol, daimler, facel, etc.)

Cheers...

Dave (now complete with manuals) Brown

#=======#         _________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:55:20 -0800
Subject: Re: 	Misc.

1- The BSROA Winter Driving Course from last weekend was one of the best 
events in the history of the Club. A full staff was on hand to manage the 
group of 15 (fully booked) in five school vehicles. The group itself arrived 
in 8 rovers and battled its way there in the winter storm of last Friday 
night! Boston to Stowe? Left at 4PM. Arrived at 2AM Sat!! Many, many vehicles 
slid off the highway into the median. Many Jeeps and Fords. We saw one Disco 
that had spun out as well. Bad cars or design. No. Just plain ol' bad drivers. 
Passing in near zero visibility on snowy/icy roads doing in excess of 70 mph! 
This is just beyond belief.

Our hosts also surprised the group by having none other than Mike Hussey (`93 
US Camel Trophy) aboard as a guest instructor. Also Sue Mead (`95 Camel Trophy 
U.S. photographer) along to gather material for an upcoming article.

Saturday spent at the off-road course. You never know it all - even after 
years of off-roading!! This is the lesson I learned. In fact, I was depressed 
after I realized just how much I didn't know - even after attending two other 
off-road schools! So the moral is.... etc. etc.

Sunday was the ultimate team challenge. Our task? Climb Smuggler's Notch!!! In 
Land Rovers! We were given special permission to attempt the climb on this 
closed road. Well, 6 hours of maximum effort later... winching, pushing, 
digging, snatching and sliding produced two vehicles - a 4.5L D90 and a Range 
Rover within quarter mile of the notch! We called it quits at that point due 
to darkness and the time. What a ball, though! Everyone who attended had an 
intensified feeling towards the Land Rover after the weekend. We will offer 
this event again next year. Thanks to the staff at RN for a brilliant effort 
and thanks to the BSROA attendees who provided the spirit and excitement!

2- I noticed with sadness the posting by M. Wilkinson about his *lemon* Disco. 
I totally empathize with his plight. I'm sorry that he feels abandoned by LR. 
I think rather than deal with Solihull (will get even more disillusioned due 
to distance/size) he needs to refocus his efforts at the dealer level. Mike, 
you have a great warranty with your Land Rover. Use it! If you genuinely have 
a *lemon,* then there is clear remedy available to you depending upon which 
state you live in! Driving with signs and talking negative to people 
ultimately will only serve to hurt the existing owners! Not prospective 
owners! Please allow the system to respond to your plight and I feel certain 
that you will be satisfied with the resolution of your problem(s). If you feel 
that the QC and quality of materials is so poor, please go out and look at the 
competition! I have. Unless I'm really missing the boat, I haven't seen 
anything out there that is as good as a Discovery in overall terms of chassis 
rigidity, choice of materials, fit and finish (Four Wheeler Magazine also -to 
their shock and surprise- echoed that sentiment that the fit and finish of 
Disco took first place over the Ford/Blazer/Jimmy et al. Get in your rig and 
go out and drive it off road! Rediscover what's great about Discovery! If your 
dealer is not giving you appropriate attention to your situation, call the 
owner care number at LRNA. Please believe me when I say that everyone at LRNA 
and at the dealer level (at least at our Centre) has nobody but the customer's 
satisfaction at the fore. Who in the heck wants an unhappy owner?? Think about 
it from a business sense if nothing else. LR (and anyone else in mfg.) 
appreciates the value of one happy customer for the long run in terms of 
repeat sales and referrals. The life blood of selling a product line. So I 
wish you a successful outcome in your current situation and that you will 
ultimately want to remain a part of the Land Rover family.

3- Somebody commented surprise about materials choice on an early NAS Range 
Rover. An `88 I believe. Again, I must be living in the sand or blissfully 
ignorant or myopic (probably the latter) when it comes to Land Rovers. In my 
vocation I see a constant sea of other brands of 4x4's being traded in on the 
Land Rover product line. Somebody please post me and tell me which models are 
so wonderfully superior in build quality and materials selection. It can't be 
any of the domestic product - I've seen `em all and they are decently 
assembled but offer inferior materials in the areas of chassis design, 
powertrain componentry and even in interior materials grade. European? Aside 
from Rover, we have G-wagen - but is really a niche vehicle to the extreme. 
Asian? Japanese are best from the Pacific Rim as far as build quality. Choice 
of materials? I say not as good. I live in New England. As nice as Toys are 
when they're new, they just don't hold up in our market as long as a Land 
Rover. Japanese interiors tend to wear terribly. Either that or we only are 
getting the real junk traded here. Our latest trade? A `94 loaded Land Cruiser 
w/18K miles on it. The owner took a new 4.0SE Range Rover and called me to 
burn my ear for 20 minutes on how much he loved the new car! My point? All 
Land Rovers are clearly designed for a 10-20 year service life with proper 
maintenance. If you are a Roverhead, the life expectancy is indeterminate - 
you just keep on keeping it going. You cannot design in this type of service 
life with less-than robust componentry and cheap materials. This is the real 
world! Every mfg. builds to a price point - at least any mfg. of any volume. 
So some areas of the product might be a little less than leading edge. If I 
had to pick (and everyone does) I'll settle for the best 
chassis/suspension/engine/tranny design and accept very good switchgear and 
seat coverings rather than the best of the latter with running gear ported 
over from some other cheaper model in the lineup. Ford Explorer? Pure Ford 
Ranger. Jeep? Look inside any Chrysler car ( I can look inside my wife's 
Intrepid - soon to be replaced by Disco I hope- and see the Grand Cherokee 
interior - overhead consold looks identical). Disco was also a port job - but 
it was ported over from a more expensive model - the classic Range Rover! You 
don't mind it when it works that way!

4- Range Rover 4.0SE quirks! Yes, I love our product but realize that no one 
builds a perfect one! A few people have called in complaining of bizarre 
central locking via remote in their newstyle Range Rovers. Lock with remote 
only to have the locks pop up. Ready for this? Apparently (esp. in dry cold 
weather) static builds up on the plastic xmitter body and when the unit put 
into pants pocket or pocketbook and the folding key touches something metal 
(coins, etc.) enough of a zap is generated to light the LED and xmit the 
unlock signal!!! So.... just be aware of this. Keep your change in the other 
pocket!!

cheers
Jim

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`68 2B 110 FC diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:40:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: email - lroi

On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, David Olley at New Concept wrote:

> I suspect that the email address given is probably that of an employee 
> who runs his own private Internet facility.
> This could explain the delays in replies. Rather unprofessional, ain't 
> it?

	My experience differs.  While my messages seem to enter a black
	hole, results do flow out regarding articles submitted by others
	(without net access), issues gone astray suddenly appear having
	been resent by LRO (Two never appeared at my address, sent a note,
	and two weeks later a package with both in one envelope arrived).

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 15:59:20 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: Attempt at twisted humor...

> You forgot to put in the description of your authentic Series
> "Real Man"<tm> manifold cooker.  While the quiche crowd here
> plays with aluminium meatloaf pans and such, you have that heavy
> wire cage bolted to the top of the exhaust manifold.

Actually, when they arrived I relaized it was merely a relabeled pair of rear 
light guards. Since they didn't fit over my NAS 4" turn signals, i used them for
the intended purpose. I took the liberty of attaching a small handle to one of 
them. What for you may ask? Sump fries! This is a very involved process which 
involves a quick release sump and lots of time cooking, since in a well tuned 
Rover the oil doesn't get hot enough for quick time deep frying. this whole mess
could be avoided by simply placing a small deep fry pan on the manifold, in the 
usual fashion, but nothing beats the taste of real sump fries. Between the 
crankase fumes and the fresh hot 20W-50, they are scrumptious! Or better yet, 
they are "sumpthin" else! As for the mammals, they tend to get caught up in the 
crankshaft so your best bet is to leave 'em on the manifold. Don't forget to 
order the dash mounted meat thermometer and timer. This accesory makes a nice 
addition to any Rover, with or without the Sump-a-licious deep fry attachment. 
The galvanising really adds an extra dimension of flavor, but unfortunately it 
cooks off after a few squirrel pot pies. 

> I understand
> that the cage came with "The Field Guide to Flattened Fauna" as
> well as "The Roadkill Cookbook".  The complete set, of course from
> Rovers North with Genuine cage...   I think I'll just go phone
> Lanny and see if they are still on special.

Hint#1: When using roadkill, it helps to have a real aggresive tread, so that 
you can relly tenderize the meat. BTW, never under any circumstances eat someone
else's roadkill. Use only the freshest leanest meat you can hit, and you won't 
be dissapointed.
 
Hint#2: When you're finished, bloated and satisfied with your carnivorous 
repast, sit back for a nice ride, and connect you driver seat mounted "exhaust 
gas recirculation pump". This recycles gasses emitted by the driver back into 
the intake manifold, where they mingle with the crankcase fumes and mixture, 
producing octane levels unheard of since the early seventies! This also is an 
original Rover item, developed for the US at the outset of the 70's fuel 
shortage. Since Rover pulled out in 74 they never sold a single one. However 
there's still lots of new old stock around, so go ahead and call Lanny. Ask him 
for part# FRT6A5, Cabin Gas Recirculation Pump and Valve, w/ external clean air 
intake.

 Rgds,

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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: Re: Message not deliverable
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 07:56:00 EST

I have been suffering the same fate.  The first few dozen messages were all 
duplicates of 20 Feb.  In fact I have received lots of duplicates in the 
last week or so.

Anyone know what's going on??

Simon Barclay
Sydney Australia
 ----------
From: LRO-Owner
Subject: Re: Message not deliverable
Date: Wednesday, 21 February 1996 1:24PM

Hello all - when I download my mail almost all of it is now listed as coming 

from the administrator, with the subject being message not deliverable, 
while
there are actual messages there to be read. It gegan a few days ago with one 

or two. Any suggestions on what is causing this?
Thanks in advance.
Allan Smith
St. Lucia
Tdi 90

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:05:57 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Attempt at twisted humor...

David Bobeck writes:
snip
> there's still lots of new old stock around, so go ahead and call Lanny. Ask him 
> for part# FRT6A5, Cabin Gas Recirculation Pump and Valve, w/ external clean air 
> intake.
snip

I got one recently, but was embarrassed to mention it on the list, but 
since you brought it up....
Anyway, two will  fit very nicely (when not in use) in the ARB Locker. However, if you do 
end up getting an actual ARB, I wouldn't recommend stowing it in your 
ARB Locker after you've put your FRTs in there.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 16:27:40 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: FRT's + ARB's = TNT!

Anyway, two will  fit very nicely (when not in use) in the ARB Locker. However, 

snip 8<

DON'T DO IT TOM!!
 The gases that are recirculated by this unit can be extremely volatile. The 
best thing to do is to leave it hooked up and just run the fresh air through it.
Storing this bomb in an ARB locker would really be asking for trouble. I don't 
personally own one (gag) but I'm curious to know how well it works. I've also 
heard that the same thing can be rigged up for mouth-breathers. Alan Richer can 
tell you all about the little known Mouth-Breather Rover. It was a rare model 
but there's still plenty of 'em around.

Warmest Regards, 
Dave "I told you not to light that, man" B.

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:23:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Attempt at twisted humor...

> I got one recently, but was embarrassed to mention it on the list, but 
> since you brought it up....  Anyway, two will  fit very nicely (when 
> not in use) in the ARB Locker. However, if you do end up getting an 
> actual ARB, I wouldn't recommend stowing it in your ARB Locker after 
> you've put your FRTs in there. 

	Hmmm...

	While I have you here, I recall that you have the rear pto coffee
	grinder installed on your lightweight.  Dave supplied some recipies
	(BTW, the wire mesh guards for Series III headlamps are good for
	holding fish etc while cooking.  Useless for anything else of course)
	that require fitting some XCL's to the Rover.  However, since these
	are out of production I thought the coffee grinder could be used
	to make ground meat out of, whatever you manage to hit, for dinner.
	While this could be messy, wouldn't a sparkplug mounted on the side
	of the grinder in conjuction with running the FRT6A5 via the ARB
	pump to the grinder help in cleaning?

	Rgds,

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:28:46 -0500
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: Re: Front Locking Hubs - Use 'Em

More fuel to fire the "hottest" debate on this list since the term
"plushmobile" was innocently coined.  My experience is essentially the same
as Ben Smith's.  On the highway I get a slightly better top speed,
seemingly a bit more "pep", and definitely have a much  easier time
maintaining speed uphill, with the hubs unlocked.  Around town, I notice no
real difference. So, I drive with the hubs locked most of the time, which
gives me four wheel drive on demand.  If I'm headed off on a long highway
voyage, (and snow isn't in the immediate forcast) I unlock the hubs while
I'm topping off the fuel and checking the engine oil.

For me it's not an issue of gas mileage, or even of wear and tear.  I just
like being able to cruise at 65MPH when the road points up.  Or at least
60... Well, okay 55... You know, 50 is really alright... Damn it, not 45 on
the interstate!...

RoverOn!

JAB

==                                                                      ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
                          ==================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)
==                                                                      ==

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:44:48 +0100
Subject: RE: NAS delivery in UK

On 19 Feb 96 at 13:43, Walter C. Swain wrote:

. . . .
 
> up small items.  Maybe he could find out if the dealer would order NAS 
> vehicles if the factory won't make such deliveries.  

A dealer in London told me last 3 months ago they were not allowed to 
sell for export to North America.

Does BMW still do this? If so keep after Solihull to get with the
program.

--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:48:20 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: FRT's + ARB's = TNT!

> DON'T DO IT TOM!!
>  The gases that are recirculated by this unit can be extremely volatile. The 
> best thing to do is to leave it hooked up and just run the fresh air through it.

It's ok. I should have mentioned that before stowing in the ARB 
Locker I always remove one of the mice from my heater and have 
it blow through the hose to clear it out. And having one less mouse 
for the heater for a bit really doesn't make much difference since I 
think they're always asleep in there anyway. (The only time I can get 
any heat is if I rap on the heater with a stick and scare them)
They do seem to be able to clear the hose pretty well though.
I'll be carefull though.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 16:56:04 EST
From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio)
Subject: Mile Marker hydro winches

Hi all,

Anybody know anything about these winches. I've seen
alot of adds for them lately and have checked out their
homepage but, I have yet to meet or talk to anyone who
has one or knows anyone who has one. Any opinions on 
hydro vs. electric winches ?   The only big drawback
I can see to the hydro winch is that the engine has
to be running for it to operate. Then again, if your
engine is dead and you've only got one battery, an
electric winch is only going to go for a short time
anyway. But, this may be just enough to drag you to a
spot where you can get the engine running again (stuck
in a water crossing for example). 

Thanks
Rob

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:02:51 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Attempt at twisted humor...

Dixon writes:

> 	While I have you here, I recall that you have the rear pto coffee
> 	grinder installed on your lightweight.  Dave supplied some recipies

Actually it's a center PTO, but I suppose you could mount it on a 
rear one. If you did that I'd install a pair of the bull bar to roof 
rack wires. That way your road kill would be sliced already for you. 
And if you modified the hopper on the grinder, and hit at the right 
speed, why, you wouldn't even need to get out of your Landy to feed 
the mill. I'm sure Peter HIrsch's friend could modify the coffee mill 
with a meat grinder attachment.

> 	While this could be messy, wouldn't a sparkplug mounted on the side
> 	of the grinder in conjuction with running the FRT6A5 via the ARB
> 	pump to the grinder help in cleaning?

Hmmm, maybe. Can you forward a schematic of your idea? Theoretically 
it should work, but based on David's reply it might be dangerous. I 
can't say for sure because I only have the ARB Locker, not an 
actual ARB. But I also don't like to get FRT's around my food.

bon appetite

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:15:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Attempt at twisted humor...

On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> Actually it's a center PTO, but I suppose you could mount it on a 
> rear one. If you did that I'd install a pair of the bull bar to roof 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> the mill. I'm sure Peter HIrsch's friend could modify the coffee mill 
> with a meat grinder attachment.

	Very true, we need Peter's input.  There may be some Series One
	107@ options that can be retrofitted to our later stuff.  However,
	the Little Earth Pig (my loyal 88") doesn't have a bull bar to
	attach wires to.  My front bumer is, er, modified... Well, actually
	completely replaced with a 6" L shaped, 3/8" inch girder which has
	a lovely set of aftermarket iron works welded on to support not
	only the Koneig, but to allow me to fit a 7' long long splitter
	to the front end.  Mounted like a ram, not only is it rather useful
	to drive into the woods, drop a tree, cut, split and stack in the
	back, but it also serves to catch larger mammals for those days
	when the boys show up with a couple cases of beer and gotta be
	fed.

	Ahhh, the days of the summertime chase.  The Little Earth Pig
	scurrying through the forest in chase of a nice piece of moving 
	venison.  Success, and a leasurely drive home, dinner on the 
	hook, ready to turn over the fire & gutted all in one quick
	maneouvre...

	Rgds,

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:25:18 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: '92 RR in San Diego CA U.S.

Drove by Mercedes Benz of San Diego (they're across the street from Off Road 
Warehouse), and they have a 1992 Range Rover County on the lot.  59,852 
miles, brand new Michelins, well kept interior, bronze colored.  I didn't 
crawl underneath, although if someone from out of town wants me to I will.  
Their number is 619-274-9949.
-Matt

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:35:50 -0500
Subject: re: event insurance US

Awhile back I thought I remembered seeing a string on insurance for jamboree
type events.  Anyhow, I happened to be talking with another employee of my
firm and she mentioned that her husband specializes in this sort of insurance
(special events...).  So I am going ahead and posting his name & number.
 They can supposedly insure almost anywhere in the US.
     All American Agency Facilities, Inc.
    3033 S. Parker Road, Suite 506
     Aurora, Colorado 80014
    (303) 337-4355 or (800) 568-1028
    ask for Bob or Joe

Sorry to waste any bandwidth,
Chris Fisher   '73 Land Rover 88 Series III

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:15:16 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: "Truth" in advertising

Just saw a TV ad for a Chevy full-sized pickup, touting the "big 2.2 litre 
engine".  Jeeze, I never knew my 2.25 was considered "big"....

In other news, the Bowie British Car Show, probably the biggest (after 
Hershey) and oldest on the East Coast is back on.  The organizers were 
having problems with the powers-that-be in Bowie, MD, but it is back... 
"same place, same time, same organizers." as last year.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 19:34:07 -0500
From: XINCLXLRO@learnlink.emory.edu (LRO Conference @ learnlink.emory.edu)
Subject: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift

I need some advice on where to mount a set of tow hooks and a hi-lift jack on
my '94 Defender 90.  I have the early Rover brush bar with the winch mounts
from the first 10 cars.  What is the reccommended spot for tow hooks?  Has
anyone else put a hi-lift jack on the front?  Would the back be better?

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:43:26 -1000
From: "ROGER HALL: HNL M.E. GROUP" <ROGER_H@verifone.com>
Subject: message no deliverable.... or is it

I think I just got a deja vu.  Or did I get the email below twice?

Roger Hall
Haleiwa
'89 RR

From:	IN%"Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net" 21-FEB-1996 07:36:53.23
To:	IN%"Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net"
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Message not deliverable

Hello all - when I download my mail almost all of it is now listed as coming 
from the administrator, with the subject being message not deliverable, while 
there are actual messages there to be read. It gegan a few days ago with one 
or two. Any suggestions on what is causing this?
Thanks in advance.
Allan Smith
St. Lucia
Tdi 90

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:24:29 +0000
From: Ian Robinson <ian@fourx4.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Unlocking the central diff-lock

In message <34@bbchw.demon.co.uk>, Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk>
writes
>As taught to me by the Land Rover Experience tutor:

Who ?

>When trying to dis-engage the central diff, you move the lever to "unlock", and 
>the diff lock light still stays on. This is because the diff lock components are 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>Somewhere in that free-travel, the diff-lock pin will find equilibrium, and 
>pop-out. It normally works after 3 attempts.
The mind boggles. All list readers should ALWAYS follow this advice and
keep my signature handy....we do very reasonable recoveries !!!!!

>When trying to dis-engage the central diff, you move the lever to "unlock", and 

Regards, Ian
                Forest Landrovers' 4 x 4 Centre
                Royal Forest of Dean, Glos, UK
                +44 (0)1594 822606/(0)402 000132

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From: stretch@vol.net
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 09:08:37 PST
Subject: RE: D90 Flooding, and experiences

---------------Original Message---------------

My D90 flooded again this morning and  wouldn't start.  This has 
happened a
few times before but it seems worse when the weather warms up a 
bit, today
was almost 50F.  My first reason to think this was the 
tailpipe...after only a couple
thousand miles I could really see the soot.  

In searching around the engine bay, I found the air intake hose 
from the MAF
sensor (air flow sensor) loose, and the clamp barely hanging on.  

no wonder the IAC valve couldn't compensate...there was an air
leak after the sensor. 

Also, the CTS (coolant temp sensor) plug was loose.  I am hoping 
that that
may be the flooding problem. 

I also experience a slight stumble around 2800 rpm at part 
throttle.  I see
on my truck that the spark plug cable next to the oil dip stick 
scabbard is
worn from vibrating right against the scabbard. 

Even though I have only 3 more hood openings before my hood release 
cable
permanently releases, I just absolutely love the darn 
truck...flooding and
all.  

John, #1336  , Wisco90

----------End of Original Message----------
John et al:

This is a very helpful posting...I've got 2500 miles on a 95 D90 
that's in storage while I'm in HK...during that time, I have all 
the symptoms described here, plus:

coil lead fell off, rear top tie rivets came out, hood was on 
lopsided (actually right fender was mounted crooked), seats 
rattled, radio reception intermittent (antenna cable plug was 
falling out), etc.

Two points...
a)  you're giving people like me the benefit of your mileage thus 
far
b)  at least the factory goofs are predictable and consistent.

While the dealer happily rebuilds the vehicles over and over, I 
find it incredibly inconvenient to have to go through the drop off, 
pick up, etc excercise.

One thing I've been doing is to create a punch list of stuff from 
this list, which I will be using as reference when I get back to 
US...tighten bolts, check wiring routing, check electrical crimps, 
fitting torques, etc etc.  I expect a lot of dopey crap-outs can 
thus be avoided...the issue of warranty on this sort of thing just 
isn't worth it to me...I'll save that for when the engine falls out 
or the drive shaft comes through the floor.

Thus far I love the vehicle...maybe I'm softened up a bit...my 
other car is a 85 Porsche 911...early computer engine 
control...I've learned to rebuild the sealed electrical units, etc.

Anyway, thanks to everyone for taking the time to share your 
experiences.  As I accumulate more miles, I hope to reurn the 
favor.
-------------------------------------
Name: jcollins
E-mail: stretch@vol.net
Temp assgn:  Hong Kong
Date: 02/22/96
Time: 09:08:38
-------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:11:51 +0400
From: mgrove@polarnet.com (Melvin Grove)
Subject: Arctic LR Disco Survial

I'm about to purchase a 1996 Disco and will be driving it to Fairbanks AK
in the Spring.  Im wondering if anyone has any advise on winterizing the
Disco?  Will all of the factory lubes perform ok, IE: engine, diff and
manual trany lube.
Or, should I switch to synthetic.  I'm running synthic in my F150 and have
had no problems so far but I hate to change all that new lube if its not
neccessary.  I'll definitely be adding an oil pan heater, block heater and
battery heater.  Are the freeze plugs hard to get at on the Disco?  It gets
to -40F and lower here and not many things like run at those temps so if
anyone has any advice or experience with arctic LR survial please let me
know.

Thanks,
Mel

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:08:12 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: RR fuel tank recall

I had the fuel tank replaced Monday under LR's recall.  I also had some
other things done (new O2 sensor).

When it came time to pay the bill I found a charge for a new fuel filter I
did not ask for!  Apparently on the 87 and 88 Range Rovers the fuel filter
has to be switched to fit up to the new threaded fittings from the new tank.
Not only did I get charged for the filter but I had to pay their labor
charge as well!

On Monday they said it was an in tank filter that should be replaced.  Last
night I finally had a chance to check my manuals and found no in tank filter
but found my in line filter was the one replaced.

Today the service rep said he was wrong on Monday and the filter was
required because the line from the new tank would not fit up to the old
filter.  The new arrangement has the hose threaded onto the fitting on the
filter, the old one was held by hose clamps.

While I understand why I needed the new one I was unhappy not to have been
informed prior to the start of the work (like when I asked "What else is
involved with this job? when I made my appointment).  I am now satisfied
with the response I got today from both the dealer and from LRNA about this
new filter I bought.

Has other 87 and 88 RR owners had a filter charged to them as part of the
tank replacement?  I would like to know how your dealers presented it.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover with new tank, fuel filter and O2 sensor
Newport New hampshire
603-863-7883

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:23:35 -0500
From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: Re: FYI: Trip to RN Winter Off-road Driving School (long)

Barnett,

Nothing but garbage recieved..  Do you need to save it in a text file 
before transmitting ?
-- 
=============================================================  	 
        Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net"
       92 Range Rover (No ABS, No Sway Bars, No Air Bags, No EFI Light)
      Graduate Student, MBA Program, Old Dominion University
      Norfolk, VA, USA  
       (804) 440-5383   
=============================================================

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:25:11 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: RR fuel tank recall

On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Jeff & Laura Kessler wrote:

> Has other 87 and 88 RR owners had a filter charged to them as part of the
> tank replacement?  I would like to know how your dealers presented it.

The question of a filter never came up when the tank was rteplaced on my 
88 RR.  There was a leak in the filler tube and that was replaced as part 
of the tank replacement.  There was no charge of any kind.

Walt Swain
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:35:34 +0100
Subject: Re: Arctic LR Disco Survial

On 21 Feb 96 at 21:11, Melvin Grove wrote:

> I'm about to purchase a 1996 Disco and will be driving it to Fairbanks AK
> in the Spring.  Im wondering if anyone has any advise on winterizing the
> Disco?  Will all of the factory lubes perform ok, IE: engine, diff and
> manual trany lube.

Check the windshield washer fluid too.

--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:06:33 -0500
From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: Range Rover's for sale

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Look what I found on the internet a http://www.traderonline.com/....I 
splurged and bought the list for a buck....\
Enjoy.... ;-)
-- 
=============================================================  	 
        Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net"
       92 Range Rover (No ABS, No Sway Bars, No Air Bags, No EFI Light)
      Graduate Student, MBA Program, Old Dominion University
      Norfolk, VA, USA  
       (804) 440-5383   
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Seller Phone: 2069092137

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Seller Phone: 3059891905

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Seller Phone: 9042920400

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Seller Phone: 8136668436

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Seller Phone: 4049820033

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Seller Phone: 7037681479

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     92 RANGE ROVER COUNTY, automatic, clean, full power, green/ tan
leather, 24 month lease, $299 month, $2900 down, 12000 miles year, warranty=

included, lease end value $23301, (810)642-6565 ERHARD BMW D-DT02-S6-PX21F
RR07
Seller Phone: 8106426565

     92 RANGE ROVER 4X4, Country Edition, automatic, power windows, sunroof=
,
air conditioning, leather, BLACK, $22950, (810)583-6115 PRESTIGE MOTORS LTD=
,
31675 STEPHENSON HIGHWAY, MADISON HEIGHTS D-SG60-00-8DD30G09 (810) 548-8911=

Seller Phone: 8105488911

     92 RANGE ROVER COUNTRY 4X4, automatic, power windows, loaded, alloy
wheels, air conditioning, sunroof, leather, 4 door, BLACK on TAN, reduced,
$22750, (810)583-6115 OPEN 7 DAYS, PRESTIGE MOTORS LTD D-DB60-00-8LS22E09
(810) 548-8911
Seller Phone: 8105488911

     91 RANGE ROVER 4-WD, artic WHITE, w/tan cloth, all power, sunroof,
61000 MILES, Rhino bars w/secondary lights, new Michelins, bring your
magnifying glass, this truck is beautiful, $21000 or best offer (206)
937-8216
Seller Phone: 2069378216

     1992 RANGE ROVER County, gold/tan, ADS sound system, brush guards, CD
changer, sunroof, automatic transmission, leather, 1 owner, $20900, Hi
Performance on Peachtree Ind, Blvd., 1 MILES, No, 285, exit 23B,
770-451-1817
Seller Phone: 7704511817

     90 RANGE ROVER COUNTY Euro Sport suspension, sway bars, ARB bumper,
upgraded stereo, rack, all synthetic oils, new fuel tank, stainless steel
exhaust, never off road, hwy, MILES, $19900 (206) 338-0611
Seller Phone: 2063380611

     91 RANGE ROVER, automatic, WHITE with TAN leather, sunroof, extra seat=
,
full power, 35000 miles, $19750, (313)930-1643 anniversary ARBOR
D-DT60-00-5EN02J07
Seller Phone: 3139301643

     1990, RANGE ROVER, STANDARD, asking $18980, Color WHITE, Interior TAN
leather, sunroof, power seats, alloys, removable CD player, yakima rack, ,
$18980 (708) 687-2800
Seller Phone: 7086872800

     1987 RANGE ROVER - like new, only 30000 MILES, well maintained, navy
BLUE, why pay 50000 or more when you can have this one like new for only
$18900 or best offer, must see, 602-492-0537, + (040209D)
Seller Phone: 6024920537

     1987 RANGE ROVER - like new, only 30000 MILES, well maintained, navy
BLUE, why pay 50000 or more when you can have this one like new for only
$18900 or best offer, must see, 602-492-0537, + (040209D)
Seller Phone: 6024920537

     1990 RANGE ROVER, WHITE, saddle color chrome wheels, Rhino package,
running boards, sunroof, roof rack, excellent condition, all books and
records, $18250 (918)583-9765 TULSA T-SZ-SY07-01-D09/09
Seller Phone: 9185839765

     1990 RANGE ROVER, WHITE, saddle color chrome wheels, Rhino package,
running boards, sunroof, roof rack, excellent condition, all books and
records, $18250 (918)583-9765 TULSA (918) 749-7763
Seller Phone: 9187497763

     1963 LAND-ROVER II-A, 109 SAFARI, rebuilt engine, new brake & clutch,
MASTER cylinder, slave cylinder, brakes, tank sender, straight, no rust,
Very clean, $16800 or best offer, 503-382-2789, Bend, Or
Seller Phone: 5033822789

     90 RANGE ROVER 4X4, dark GREY, automatic, fully loaded, sunroof,
leather interior, 88500 miles, $16500 or best offer, (810)435-8051 ROYAL OA=
K
D-DT60-00-8JR03L10
Seller Phone: 8104358051

     1989 RANGE ROVER, RED w/tan leather, nice condition, $16000, 2 to
choose from, AUTO SPORTS UNLIMITED, Zeeland, 616-772-6444, (08)
Seller Phone: 6167726444

     1990 RANGE ROVER 4x4, COUNTY Edition, V8, auto, leather, sunroof,
loaded $15900 (606)283-9258 SWEENEY
Seller Phone: 6062839258

     1989 RANGE ROVER 4-wheel drive, local, leather, air conditioning,
automatic transmission, P-seats, alloys, sunroof, immaculate, $14995,
EUROPEAN AUTO WHOLESALE, 503-245-3800, Portland, Or
Seller Phone: 5032453800

     1990 RANGE ROVER, dark GREY w/gray leather, fully loaded, all service
records available, COUNTY Edition, $14900, day 835-1147 or 831-8758 eve.,
dealer (205) 835-1147
Seller Phone: 2058351147

     1988 RANGE ROVER, 100000 MILES, WHITE with leather, auto, fully loaded=
,
top of the line, excellent condition, $14900, 305-884-8125 (305) 782-9589
Seller Phone: 3057829589

     1992 RANGE ROVER, WHITE, TAN leather, sunroof, CD player, 100000 miles=

w/good service records, $14800, 205-835-1147 days or 831-8758 eve., dealer
Seller Phone: 2058351147

     1988 RANGE ROVER, Rhino package, 4x4 leather, chrome wheels, CD player=
,
immaculate, $13995 WHOLESALE TRANSPORTATION (918)663-4221 TULSA
T-SZ-QL07-10-D09/08 DL
Seller Phone: 9186634221

     1988 RANGE ROVER 4-wheel drive, WHITE, excellent condition, low MILES,=

leather interior w/rr jump st, $13000, 301-654-0870 Roy, lve message,
CHEVROLET CHASE, MD
Seller Phone: 3016540870

     1988 RANGE ROVER 4-wheel drive, WHITE, excellent condition, low MILES,=

leather interior w/rr jump st, $13000, 301-654-0870 Roy, lve message,
CHEVROLET CHASE, MD
Seller Phone: 3016540870

     1987 RANGE ROVER 4-wheel drive, lo MILES, air conditioning, automatic
transmission, P-seats, cruise control, alloys, Michelin, loaded, immaculate=
,
$12995, EUROPEAN AUTO WHOLESALE, 503-245-3800, Portland, Or
Seller Phone: 5032453800

     1989 RANGE ROVER Avt., sun roof, boom & records, 4X4, like new, for
only $12550, tel, 305-884-2700, beep 366-0346, Heat Motor Corp., 1855 Palm
Ave., Hialeah
Seller Phone: 3058842700

     1987 RANGE ROVER, mint, SUPER clean, runs like MODEL A CHAMP, cold air=

conditioning, new rubber BRUSH guards, V-8 automatic transmission, tow,
extra stuff, this LAND ROVER looks like MODEL A new CLASSIC, BLUE, $12500,
nice, 305-758-3275
Seller Phone: 3057583275

     1963 LAND-ROVER II-A, 109 SAFARI, rlbt engine, new brake & clutch,
MASTER cylinders, slave cylinder, brakes, tank sender, straight, no rust,
very clean! $12000, 541-382-2789, Bend, Or
Seller Phone: 5413822789

     1987 RANGE ROVER, extra clean 4-wheel drive power windows, power seats=
,
new 1988 engine, certified at 76000 miles, green/grey SUPER clean interior,=

runs like new, must see, will sell at $11999 or trade for 92 or 93 SUBURBAN=

or Broncos, 407-876-1669
Seller Phone: 4078761669

     1987 RANGE ROVER 4-wheel drive, low miles, air conditioning, automatic=

transmission, cruise control, power seats, alloys, loaded, nice, $11995,
EUROPEAN AUTO WHOLESALE, 503-245-3800, Portland, Or
Seller Phone: 5032453800

     1988 RANGE ROVER 4x4, automatic transmission, 8 cyl., air conditioning=
,
power windows, power seats, cruise control, electric sunroof, stereo tape,
alloy wheels, garage kept, leather interior, must see and drive, trades
welcome, $11975, 305-832-9199, dealer
Seller Phone: 3058329199

     1988 RANGE ROVER 4X4, automatic transmission, 8 cyl., air conditioning=
,
power windows, P, seats, cruise control, electric, sun roof, stereo tape,
alloy wheels, garage kept, leather interior, must see & drive, trades
welcome, $11975, call 305-832-9199, dealer
Seller Phone: 3058329199

     88 RANGE ROVER, mint, loaded, $11900, DG MOTORS WHOLESALE, CLEVELAND,
(216)391-2200
Seller Phone: 2163912200

     1988 RANGE ROVER 4X4, automatic transmission, spotless, metallic slate=

blue finish, gray velour interior, all extras, looks & runs new, must sell,=

$9995, call owner, anytime, 305-565-8367, dealer
Seller Phone: 3055658367

     1988 RANGE ROVER 4X4, automatic transmission, spotless, metallic slate=

blue finish, gray velour interior, all extras, looks & runs new, must sell,=

$9995, call owner, anytime, 305-565-8367, dealer
Seller Phone: 3055658367

     1988 RANGE ROVER, power seats, power windows, power sunroof, power
locks, lea, seats, 101Kmi., runs great, body in good condition, Colorado
SILVER, $9000, 210-606-1106 days, 210-651-9023 evenings
Seller Phone: 2106519023

     87 RANGE ROVER, excellent condition, PW/PL/seats, all new brakes,
tires, and exhaust, silver/black, only 55000 MILES, 4-wheel drive, $8950
firm, (716)787-3240 ROCHESTER
Seller Phone: 7167873240

     1987, RANGE ROVER, 4X4, asking $7900, transmission Automatic, Color
GREEN, power door locks, power windows, air conditioning, am/fm stereo
cassette, cruise control, 4 doors, leather, loaded, Drive in pure luxury
this winter, , $7900 (312) 252-0088
Seller Phone: 3122520088

     1975 OLDS 88, Convert., 84000 original, miles, new top, all original,
power windows, power seats, air conditioning, cruise control, tilt wheel,
new tires and brakes, everything works, a pleasure to drive, $6000, garage
kept, 407-859-0728
Seller Phone: 4078590728

     1992 SUN-LITE DISCOVERY 19' Travel Trailer, very light weight & easy t=
o
tow, fully self contained w/bath, shower, air conditioning, refrig., now
only $4900, Tradewinds RV, Ocala, open Sun., closed Sat., 800-786-2252
Seller Phone: 8007862252

     96 DISCOVERY, RANGE ROVER, BLACK, with TAN leather interior, all power=
,
cd player, BRUSH guard, running boards, V-8, $2500 and take over payments,
(910)768-8697 or (910)784-4716 Nights WINSTON-SALEM, NC 9607-22-08
Seller Phone: 9107688697

     1991 RANGE ROVER COUNTY - SE, BLACK w/grey interior, this vehicle is
fully loaded, call British Motor Classics LTD at 602-995-2028, 8828 N BLACK=

Canyon Highway
Seller Phone: 6029952028

     1993 RANGE ROVER, long wheelbase, BLUE metallic/saddle leather, very
clean, towing package and more, low miles, loaded w/options, price reduced
to sell, 404-350-0000, dealer
Seller Phone: 4043500000

     1993 RANGE ROVER, long wheelbase, BLUE metallic/saddle leather, very
clean, towing package and more, low miles, loaded w/options, price reduced
to sell, 404-350-0000, dealer
Seller Phone: 4043500000

     1995 RANGE ROVER County CLASSIC, Epsom green, 6000 MILES, factory demo=
,
save, stk 1294, 770-587-2000
Seller Phone: 7705872000

     1996 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY, Avalon blue, automatic transmission, cloth,=

EXECUTIVE demo, 6000 MILES, stk 1320, Land Rover North Point, 770-587-2000
Seller Phone: 7705872000

     1995 DEFENDER 90, white, hard top, air conditioning, 6000 MILES, no
longer in production, stk 1322, Land Rover North Point, 770-587-2000
Seller Phone: 7705872000

     1996 RANGE ROVER, 4.6 H.S.E., red, 5000 MILES, factory EXECUTIVE demo,=

stk 1316, Land Rover North Point, 770-587-2000
Seller Phone: 7705872000

     1987 RANGE ROVER, drk GREY, fully loaded, very cool air conditioning, =
4
new Michelins, must see, best offer, 305-554-8742, beeper 478-7600
Seller Phone: 3055548742

     91 RANGE ROVER, low MILES, top of the line, model fully opt., beautifu=
l
colors, easy low payment fin, for everyone, even w/credit problems, all
trades wanted, $0 (206) 526-8300
Seller Phone: 2065268300

     1995 RANGE ROVER DISCOVERY, save vs, new! low mileage sport utility at=

its finest includes balance of factory warranty ! call for details
412-486-8333 dealer
Seller Phone: 4124868333

     1993 RANGE ROVER, long wheelbase, BLUE metallic/saddle leather, very
clean, towing package and more, low miles, loaded w/options, price reduced
to sell, 404-350-0000, dealer
Seller Phone: 4043500000

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 00:18:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Diesels and Imports

In a message dated 96-02-21 14:36:27 EST, you write:

1. Why are diesel engines (non-turbos), even with their lack of horsepower
>and torque, preferred for heavy off-road use?
>Simply because the loud noise scares off the bears and the smoke allows for 

easy spotting.
>BTW they are VERY torquey. What they lack is high end oomph.

>.
I thought the main love of the diesel for this application was no ignition
system to get wet and stall you, you know, like all those pictures of Ben in
his truck  wading for a can of WD40.

:>)  Johnny

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 21:19:39 -0800
Subject: Re: NH WINTER SAFARI

On Wed, 21 Feb 96, "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> wrote:

>Anyone interested in a upcoming winter Safari through to woods of South 
>Western NH. ??

Sure, I need to give the old 109 a little more exercise. I just love having to 
drive several hundred miles to get together with a bunch of LR fanatics ;)

>A group of Series vehicles and a Range Rover will be departing @ 10am Saturday 
>16th from KEENE NH for some moderate to light non damaging off roading, water, 
>lots of water and MUD, oh boy will there be MUD !!!! 

The 16th of what month?  March?  Unless this is an old message that didn't go 
through on time.

Regards,
Eric

____________
Eric Zipkin
109" V8 Hardtop

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 05:50:15 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: care & feeding of turbo diesels

Being optimistic, I have one week to go before I fetch my 1990 Range-Rover, 
this comes with the 2.5L VM Turbo Diesel. I would like to hear from anyone who 
can give me some hints on the care and feeding of a TD. Whats all the buzz 
about turbo run-up and run-down times, things to do and not to do. I would 
welcome any help on this one, I will have no money left to fix self inflicted 
injuries, so I'd rather learn from your mistakes, if you don't mind.

Thanks
Matthew Loxton ZA
S-III Yellow Peril (getting a make-over)
Rangie '90 (getting closer)

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:07:10 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: 50th Tour of RSA

Ladies and Gentlemen, here follows the info some of you have been waiting for:

FIFTIETH ANNIVERSARY OF THE LAND ROVER
Celebrations of the LROC of Southern Africa

In 1998, Land Rover will be fifty years years old and our club
will be celebrating this event with several functions during the
year, the main event being the fiftieth tour.

The Grand Tour

The tour is planned to take place in South Africa's most beautiful
months April and May. It will start somewhere around the 5th of 
April and continue for six weeks, and will cover approximately 6000 Km.
It is hoped that a "core" group of as many Landies as possible 
(especially Series 1's), will do the entire tour though most members
will be able to join and leave the tour as they like.

The purpose of the tour:

1. To celebrate 50 years of Land Rovers involving as many vehicles and 
   people as possible.

2. To deminstrate the longevity, durability, reliability and versatility 
   of the Land Rover.

3. To advertise the LROC (Southern Africa) and it's activities country wide
   and abroad.

4. To show the LROC (Southern Africa) to be a responsible organisation.

5. To have a jolly good time accomplishing the above.

THE ROUTE:

Stage 1: (1200 Km, 6 days)

Johannesburg, Magoebaskloof, Eastern Transvaal Escarpment (Kruber National
Park),
Swaziland, Maputoland, Natal/Kwazulu north coast (stay 4 days)
Time Passed: 11 days

Stage 2: (500 Km, 2 days)

North Coast via Nongoma and Kranskop to Pietermaritzburg;
(Functions with Natal/Kwazulu branch, stay 4 days)
Time passed: 16 days

Stage 3: (1300 Km, 9 days)

Sani Pass, Maseru, Southern Free State, Eastern Cape, Berkley East, Elliot,
Queenstown, 
Hogsback to Ciskei coast, Port Alfred (1 day on the coast).
Time passed: 23 days

Stage 4: (1500 Km, 9 days)

Port Alfred, Addo, Willowmore, Knysna, Garden Route and Mountains, Cape
Agalhus, Cape Town.
(3 days with Cape Land Rover Owners Club) 
Time passed: 37 days

Stage 5: (1800 Km, 5 days)

Cape Town, Langebaan, Lambert's Bay, Sederberge, Williston, Preska,
Bloemhof, Johannesburg.
(weekend of celebration)
Time passed: 42 days

National and Internatinal Land Rover Clubs involvement:

Although the LROC of Southern Africa will be co-ordination the Grand Tour,
we are welcomming 
the assistance of other Southern African clubs/branches in the routes and
celebrations in 
their areas. Or tentative plans include as much sponsorship as possible
(particularly from 
companies that existed 50 years ago) and to organise events at various
points on the tour to 
which the public will be invited.

We will also advertise the event outside our borders and encourage members
from overseas clubs
to join us.
Some members are willing to hire out their spare vehicles or loan them on a
reciprocal basis
as we are aware that other clubs are planning thier own celebrative events.

I have three vehicles which will probably be for hire:
All vehicles will include full camping equipment and all maintenance/repairs
will be the 
duty of the person hiring the vehicle.

Vehicle #1: LR SIIB Forward Control (Similar to 101) 4 berth camper (2.6L
6cyl P)
Vehicle #2: LR SII Extra Long/high (Caboose as we call it) 2 berth camper
(2.25 4cyl P)
Vehicle #3: LR SIII SWB Pick-up (Newly built up, is in still busy) (2.25 Diesel)

The hiring fees will ammount to approximately 40-50 US$ each per day.

There may be other vehicles available from other LROC SA members on request.

Any queries please contact me, Brian Cotton E-mail : bcotton@lia.co.za 

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:15:53 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: Series Brake Shoes

>Even the genuine shoes are like this, but they come with two self tapping
>screws. It takes a little work to get them started, but I have never had much
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>tap through the holes first.Works a treat,and you *do* have the retaining
>tab to make sure the self tappers dont self untap!
 Our Landies have 2 little bolts (not screws) that hold the "banjo" on the shoe.
>No idea what the banjo is for,though.
 DO NOT ASSEMBLE THE BRAKE SHOES WITHOUT THE BANJO !
 The banjo is to stop the trailing shoes from binding and locking in the drums.

Cheers, Brian Cotton
bcotton@lia.co.za
South Africa

Try this URL   http://www.lia.co.za/users/bcotton/
fore some info on the LROC of SA

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 02:04:16 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: LR's on Tonight Show

 Last night (2/21) Jay Leno listed the severity indicators of how much
 rain has fallen.  As I recall, at... 

 1"   OJ gives up looking for Nicole's killers.
 2"   ....
 3"   Unfashionable people get swept into Starbucks Cafe.
 4"   ....
 5"   People who own Land Rovers get to use their four-wheel drive for the
      first time.
 6"   ....
 

 Cheers,

                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:14:06 GMT
From: "Mr. Paul Garside" <infocomm@infocomm.dungeon.com>

MAIL FROM: <infocomm@infocomm.dungeon.com>
RCPT TO: <steve@omi.co.uk (Steve Hunt)>
From: infocomm@infocomm.dungeon.com (Paul Garside)
Date: 22 Feb 1996 11:34:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Director
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
X-Mailer: InterTalk

Hi Steve,

Nice to hear from you

In your earlier message you wrote:
>Hi Paul,
>Hope you are having lots of snow-related fun in your truck. 

I haven't really put the Disco to the test yet. We were
cut off by four-foot drifts on Monday night, but we chose that night to spend
up in Norfolk, so when we returned the farmers had dug a way through - shame! 
I have nearly been caught out by ice a couple of times. The steering suddenly
went light as I was turning onto a narrow bridge. As the flimsy railing loomed 
up, revealing a steep drop below, I thought '4WD doesn't really help you in
this situation'!

>How is the Director documentation going?  I trust that the paperwork
>at this end has been carried out and everything is under way. 

I haven't seen anything yet. Having been caught out before, I'd rather 
wait for the PO before I begin. Or a PO number, anyhow.

I have in the meantime been asked to do the Network Computer Architecture Reference docn, 
which as you can imagine is a big undertaking. So if you are agreeable, Steve, I
would propose that Martin Ley takes on the Director job when the PO comes through.
Martin is keen to do it, and knows Director already, rather better than I, in fact.

I will brief him and give him all the information you gave to me. He has a Mac
with CD-ROM drive, so can run that version.

I hope you don't mind - I'm sorry to muck you about.

Best regards,

Paul.

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