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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:30:20 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Iron Duke

>engine recently. I suppose it has more welly than a standard 4-cyl LR
>engine?

Oh,very good Tom,Iron Duke,Duke of Wellington,more welly.Are there any
more where that came from?:-)
The only Iron Duke I know of has twelve wheels,two cylinders,considerably
more welly than even a V8,but its ramp breakover angle is roughly a straight
line.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: "Ron Franklin" <oldhaven@mail.biddeford.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 07:57:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Iron Duke

 
> There seems to have been a lot of discussion about the 'Iron Duke'
> engine recently. I suppose it has more welly than a standard 4-cyl LR
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
> Tel:(01475) 530581  Fax:(01475) 530601

This is a great list.  My vocabulary gets more picturesque by the day.

Bowdoin, Maine, USA

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:20:23 GMT
From: u9502831@bournemouth.ac.uk (Benjamin Archer)
Subject: Re: CB Radio Antenna

I have my Cb antena attached to the gutter at the botton of my winscreen on
my SIII the cable then rus through the vents it works well.
Ben Archer
Bournemouth Uni

>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> * ** * To REPLY send to: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net * ** * -bc
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>C. Paul Patsis wrote:
>> Has anyone figured out a good way to mount a permanent CB Radio antenna
without drilling holes in a Defender 90?
>If it is to be permanent then use epoxy adhesive. If you don't really 
>mean permanent, then use a suction attachment.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>David Olley
>...........................................................................
..........
>Winchester, England
>Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
>    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
>...........................................................................
..........
>Winchester, England
>Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367

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Subject: Re: Majordomo results: R
From: brian.imdieke@iotp.com (BRIAN IMDIEKE)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 96 19:18:00 -0700

JI> My pleasure, Brian.

JI> Say, you took your 4.0SE off-road?  Wow, that's a first for the List
JI> would impress Teriann Wakeman who basically dismisses all Discoverie
JI> Range Rovers as "plushmobiles."  She's the one who coined that term.
JI> claim is that because of diminished ground clearance and approach/de
JI> angles, they just aren't as off-roadworthy, but still superior to ot
JI> non-Rover 4WDs.  Her other gripe (and she's not alone) is that these
JI> vehicles are used mostly as mallwagons, and the drivers of same don'

You know, it's a damn shame that it's a "first for the list".
Plushmobile?  Yeah, I'll buy that.  But anyone who doesn't think it's a
serious off roader should try to follow one some time.  I'm sure they
would be surprised in a hurry.  And I know what you mean about the
mallwagons.  I can't figure these people out.  I mean, if you're going
to spend 55 grand on a vehicle that you *know* you're never going to
take off road ("I don't want to hurt it! - weenies!") then why not buy a
luxury car?

JI> Speaking of lists, I see you are in Phoenix.  Are you aware that the
JI> "west coast" list of Land Rover owners?  We get together for off-roa
JI> beers (a.k.a. vapor lock antidote -- it's a Series Rover thing)  and

Vapor lock?  Gee, NEVER HERD OF IT!  Seriously, fuel injection is one of
the best things for off road.  You can bang up the roughest, toughest
trails and the engine just runs smooth as glass.  That make the whole
process a lot easier.  I also like the long throw of the throttle on my
Range Rover.  Just makes it that much easier to stay smooth on the
power.  Those engineers think of everything!

JI> cameraderie.  You can subscribe to it by sending a message to its ma
JI> Ben Smith.  His e-mail address is bens@ridgecrest.ca.us.  He's in
JI> Ridgecrest, California out in the desert northwest of Barstow.  Alth
JI> it's generally referred to as the West Coast List or more often Mend
JI> (Mendocino National Forest {California} Reconnaissance), its subscri
JI> from British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Hawaii and even
JI> far away as Georgia. (!?)  There are other Arizonans on the list fro
JI> Flagstaff, Phoenix and Tucson.  Hope to "see" you there, and maybe e
JI> one of our "not-a-trips."

I'll think about subscribing.  Currently I get so much mail, I can
hardly keep up!  Probably don't need another list to track!

BTW, does the dealer(s) in your area sponsor a lot of weekend outings?
The local dealer here (Scottsdale Land Rover) provides a lot of events.
About one a month or so.  My brother and I are going on one of them this
Sunday.  It's nice to go out with experienced people who know the
trails.  There's always something new to learn!  And if you do screw up,
there's plenty of help to get you on your way!

You've heard from.....

        Brian Imdieke           <brian.imdieke@iotp.com>
        Phoenix, Arizona
        USA

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 8:28:43 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:LR QC, Lawyers (Longish)

Hi all,

LR durability comes from the over-engineering and heavy duty parts used to 
build them. LR's reputation as a go anywhere vehicle comes from the 
excellent suspension design and decent gearing built in at the factory.

It is true that you can take another 4WD and try to rebuild it for serious 
off-road use. When you're done you have a lot of money tied up into a 
vehicle that is so modified it never is that reliable. Other things not 
modified keep breaking. Every time you change something you risk damaging 
something else. I have already done that with a Toyota pickup.

That's why people like myself bought the Defender instead of a J##P and 
then  swapping out axles, gears, transfer, transmission Etc. to make it 
trail worthy.

True, LR does not have the assembly process down to a science like the 
Japanese do. But the way I look at it, the design is inherently strong and 
durable. You will discover all of the factory assembly "faults" within the 
first several months and they should be fixed under warranty.

I would never take ANY vehicle WAY off-road to some remote location until 
that vehicle proved to ME to be "problem free". The only way to find this 
out is to put some miles on it, find out what's not working properly and 
fix it. After you have corrected these faults you should have a reliable 
vehicle, and shouldn't be afraid to take it anywhere that your driving 
skill allows.

To put things in perspective, some people have had major mechanical 
problems with the newer vehicles. These have been faulty parts, and or 
sloppy assembly. The fast majority that I have heard about (on this list 
anyhow) have had minor assembly "pain in the ass" problems that didn't 
strand them.

I'm not defending LR. There is always room for improvement, this is true 
in everything. LR is making a transition to a larger company. Growing 
pains and cranking the assembly lines due to increased demand will cause 
even more human error.

As long as LR stands behind there vehicles and is willing to fix these 
problems I can live with that. I have a friend that sells Fords. The nick 
name for the "Explorer" is the "Exploder" because around 60K miles kiss 
your engine good-bye. Would you rather deal with some assembly faults "up 
front", or built in "functional obsolescence"?

We bought LR's to have fun. Go have some fun!

Just my two cents worth on quality.

Barnett
Childress
95 D90  

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From: David Scott Mary Ann <birddog@auburn.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Range Rovers
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 07:28:59 -0600

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My experience with RR has been varied.  I have had an 87, bought when a =
year old and had two years good service.  Had to replace the seat =
switch, but have since learned on the net all I needed was to clean the =
contacts.  I sold the car for close to what I paid.  I  later bought an =
88 RR with 40k miles for 18k.  That was in 91 and it was a turned in =
lease car that had complete records from the local dealership.  Soon =
after purchase it was towed to the dealership, bad fuel pump 900 bucks.  =
I started putting synthetic oil in the engine and soon after a lifter =
went.  Engine did okay for 40k miles then the crankshaft broke!  The car =
had 88k mi on it at this time.  The car had little value at this point, =
but looked new inside out.  I  checked with RR they wanted 10,800 for a =
long block.  DAP had a new complete 3.5 engine in the crate for 6400.  I =
had it put in by a local mechanic  30k miles ago and its been trouble =
free except for  seat switches.  I never take it to a dealer,  do most =
of the maintenance myself, and save enough  money to send my kid to =
college.  I have a physian friend who has all his maintenanc done at the =
dealership  and routinely pay 1k for major service.  He had tons of =
electrical problems that the Atl dealership couldn"t find.  A local =
mechanic found a loose ground wire and he has had great service since.  =
The upgrade in 91 for anti sway bars made the vehicles much more highway =
friendly and I did an upgrade on my susp from Atl british, love it.  =
Despite trouble with my   current one I now have 120k on mine still =
looks like new and I plan to drive till it is totally dead and buy =
another 3 yr old one.  I have had  willys jeeps, scouts, broncos, 4wd =
pickups,  a brief tour with a cherokee,  nothing comes close off or on =
road.  Hope this helps.   birddog

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:43:37 -0500
Subject: Re: '95 DISCO STOLEN!!!

In a message dated 96-02-14 12:32:29 EST, you write:

>> I think the best theft proofing would be a serious disabler for the 
>> car, or a silent hidden alarm with a tracking device. 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>I 
>believe they haven't had one nicked yet!

>.
...and how many owners have actually been able to get in and start their car?
John. :)

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From: "ERIK BARR" <019542b@axe.acadiau.ca>
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:54:25 AST4ADT
Subject: 67 6cyl. NADA SU carb rebuild?

My wife and I were given a 109" dormobile for a wedding gift 2 years 
ago.  Although I had not done much work on vehicles before I had to 
replace the frame last winter.  It was a great way to learn and I got 
it all back together!  I was hoping someone could help with a few 
questions.  I have many more but will save them for another day.

First, I changed the plugs and oil last week and since then it has 
been backfiring a bit when using the engine as a break while going 
down long hills.  I did change to a synthetic blend 10w30 from 20w50. 
Could someone please tell me what needs adjusting?  

Second, it was above freezing on Sun. and then it went down to -18C 
at the beginning of the week.  It has not started since Sun.  I 
checked the carb and found the piston to be frozen.  With a light bulb 
and a towel I was able to warm it up enough to get it free. I think I 
must have had some water in the gas as there were some ice crystals 
in the carb itself.  I will change the gas in the float and see if 
that helps.  Other than using gas line antifreeze is there anything 
else I should do to keep this from happening again?

Third, when the choke is on gas drips off the bottom of the carb so I 
assume it needs rebuilding. Are kits available for this?  

Thanks for your help.
Erik Barr 
Nova Scotia, Canada  
Erik Barr
At The University                      At Home

Department of Psychology        Box 309
Acadia University                      Wolfville, NS
Wolfville, NS                             B0P 1X0
B0P 1X0

(902) 542-2201x1589               (902) 542-1448
Fax   542-3323 

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:11:48 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Majordomo results: R

    Brian Imdieke  writes:
> Vapor lock?  Gee, NEVER HERD OF IT!  Seriously, fuel injection is one of
> the best things for off road.  You can bang up the roughest, toughest

Yet another reason why, in my book, diesel is tops for off pavement 
driving.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com
Date: 15 Feb 96 09:15:09 -0500
Subject: RE: CB Radio Antenna

Mount it on the front bumper ala Australian style. Yeah, you may have to put 
a hole in the bumper but the macho look of a front bumper mounted antenna is 
worth it. Use a medium length bottom-loaded flexible steel whip such as on 
the Wilson 1000/2000. These antennas come with blact plastic covers so the 
antenna can be quickly unscrewed at the base and removed and the cover put 
on to protect the connector. Comes in handy when you don't want to advertise 
there is a CB inside or want reduced vehicle height for parking garages.

Mark
 ----------

>Has anyone figured out a good way to mount a permanent CB Radio antenna
>without drilling holes in a Defender 90?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Paul Patsis
>'95 D90

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:19:26 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: BB list

Dixon writes:
> 	Just playing devil's advocate here.  Many people don't want their
> 	name and phone number strewn about the countryside.

I agree. I'd be glad to help out a fellow Rover owner, certainly done 
it in the past, but I don't want my name to end up on a list that 
every Tom, Dick and Harriette has in their glove box. If someone 
wants to offer to put together a list that will only be distributed 
to LR owners I'll be glad to put my name on it. Until then, I'm in 
the phone book. No garage, but any tool you might need, manuals, and 
lot's of experience on the Series beasts.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:27:44 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Parts Cleaner Solvent

 
> I was reading my mail, and came across a message which 
> mentioned parts cleaner.  What type of cleaner does 
> everyone use? 73

I use Drydene (not generally available except in the Eastern US). 
It's the only one I've tried that doesn't make me sick when I get it 
on my hands. Alot of them have fumes that bother me also. There's a 
company here in the states (I forget their name) that for a fee will 
provide a cleaning tank nad change the cleaner once a month, or 
whenever you need it. Given the disposal problems with things like 
that, it's not too bad a deal last I checked, if you do a lot of 
work. And the fumes don't bother me, but I do wear gloves.
AH! Safety Kleen I think may be the name. They're nation wide I 
believe.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: BB Birmabright Brotherhood
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 09:31:00 EST

The first edition of the Birmabright Brotherhood will shortly be on its way 
to members. Anyone wishing to offer their services in assistance of fellow 
members please mail me your details. The list is being exclusively 
circulated to those who have joined so if you want to know who can help you 
when out on the road, you must be willing to help others also. the list will 
show you name, email address and phone numbers plus the services you can 
provide. Please preface any "helper" related mail with 'BB".
As yet we have no secret handshake, mystic initiation ceremony or solemn 
promises, an identifying badge is being worked on.

Trevor Easton, current "Keeper of the BBs" teaston@dqc2.dofasco.ca

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 06:28:04 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: LR QC, Lawyers (Longish)

At 01:19 15.02.96 -0800, Franklin H. Yap wrote:

However, lawyers don't make the laws.  Courts 
>and legislatures do. 

Really?  And who are most of the legislators and judges?

Cheers!
John

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:36:06 +0000
Subject:       Re: BB list

Quoting Tom Rowe, from 15 Feb 96

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>  * ** * To REPLY send to: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net * ** * -bc
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> in the past, but I don't want my name to end up on a list that every Tom,
> Dick and Harriette has in their glove box.
Ditto. (except that my home number is ex-directory - and for good 
reasons!)

If anyone want's any help - no problem.
If anyone wants access to tools or parts, I'll help
If everyone want's my home number - go jump..

I can be emailed and phoned at work and I'd love to meet anyone who's 
visiting Edinburgh - I'll even take you along to some of our events if 
you're here when they're on.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scotissityness"

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:47:55 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: 67 6cyl. NADA SU carb rebuild?

> My wife and I were given a 109" dormobile for a wedding gift 2 years 
Boy, am I jealous. All we got was a lousy china set. ;-)

Snip 
> First, I changed the plugs and oil last week and since then it has 
 been backfiring a bit when using the engine as a break while going 
 down long hills.  I did change to a synthetic blend 10w30 from 20w50. 
> Could someone please tell me what needs adjusting?  

Fom the rest of your message, I'm guessing you have the 2.6 6cly. 
Make sure all your exhaust joints are tight and your manifold isn't 
cracked. Check your timming. Have the exhaust tappets been adjusted. 
Since they are in the block and a pain to get to, it's a common thing 
that they don't get done.

Snip
> that helps.  Other than using gas line antifreeze is there anything 
> else I should do to keep this from happening again?

I think that should do it, but others may have suggestions I haven't 
thought of.
 
> Third, when the choke is on gas drips off the bottom of the carb so I 
> assume it needs rebuilding. Are kits available for this?  
 
Sounds like that's what it needs. Don't know about kits. Also, if 
indeed it is the six banger, you have a perfect vehicle for an engine 
conversion (the six cyl is a good boat anchor). I'd suggest one of 
those Iveco diesels or an Isuzu diesel.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:10:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: re:LR QC, Lawyers (Longish)

On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, barnett childress wrote:
> I'm not defending LR. There is always room for improvement, this is true 
> in everything. LR is making a transition to a larger company. Growing 
> pains and cranking the assembly lines due to increased demand will cause 
> even more human error.

	LR, aka Rover Group, in previous incarnations was once the
	third largest producers of small, medium sized vehicles in the
	world.  BpsL was quite an organisation up to the late 1960's
	when the built up rot began to serious topple the company.

	

Dixon Kenner
Canadian Forestry Service                       Natural Resources Canada

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 15 Feb 96  8:00:29 EST
Subject: Alternator Oddities...

I was recently experiencing a case of the "Warning-light syndrome" on my 
GM-alternator-converted Series IIa, Churchill. The warning light would come on, 
flickering, at idle, making me feel like Ebenezer Scrooge being visited by the 
shade of Joe Lucas...8*)

The belt was tight and in adequate condition, the connectors were all 
firm...what gives?

Turns out that the modified Lucas alternator mount is not quite perfect for GM 
alternators. You need tomake sure that the bottom of the alternator is held 
TIGHTLY by the bolt through the bracket, or else good electrical contact for 
ground is not made. Don't trust the top bracket to hold it firm - shim it until 
tightening the bolt stops the alternator from moving.

For my part, I also added a ground lead from the alternator case to the engine 
block in 12 AWG wire, with ring lugs added to the ends.

It may not have been completely necessary, but the light no longer flickers and 
there are NO voltage variations on the meter - which means regulation is 
perfect.

     ajr

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 10:35:41 -0500
From: Nathan Dunsmore <dunsmo19@us.net>
Subject: Re: LR QC, Lawyers (Longish)

John C. White, III wrote:

> However, lawyers don't make the laws.  Courts
> >and legislatures do.
> Really?  And who are most of the legislators and judges?

Don't they have a wonderful game?  The lawyers say that they're just 
following the rules (laws) in terms of civil litigation, however, they 
(lawyers) make up the vast majority of legislators (rule-makers).  Therefore, 
they are incredibly fascile at modifying the rules to benefit themselves 
(read make a whole lotta money).  I wouldn't want to get on the bad side of 
the Trial Lawyers Association lobby, but I don't see many other businesses 
able to or willing to purchase the entire full backcover page area of major 
metropolitan telephone books.

Only my thoughts,

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020
dunsmo19@us.net

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:14:26 -0700
From: johnc@itsnet.com (John Christensen)
Subject: d90 SW dealer pricing

I drove by the local Land Rover dealer the other day.  Saw
two beautiful D90 SWs, both Alpine White.  I thought I'd stop
in and take a look.  I was shocked when I looked at the sticker.
It said something to the effect that since these were limited
edition models that the dealer was adding in a special profit
margin.  The list was, are you all sitting down?, $42,600!
Love that supply and demand.

Signed Stunned in Utah!
John Christensen
Provo, Utah
94 D90 T.E.D. #775

***************************************************************
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               "The File System Experts"
     Makers of PartitionMagic -- http://www.powerquest.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:13:03 -0800
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Wonky but not stranded

In light of the chit-chat about the quality control
problems with modern Solihull "D" products, I don't feel
so bad about the few (mostly fixable by myself) 
mechanical education tutorials Emerson has seen fit
to subject me to...

In this vein:

"Juiceless in the North"

My wife (Reah) and I were driving from Smithers in 
Northwestern BC down to Kamloops last spring.  We
started out in Emerson at 5:00 am as it is a 14-15
hour trip (4cyl petrol, no overdrive).  It was only
about -10c when we left, no problem for the heater.
Trundling along, about 1 1/2 hours into the trip,
we stopped at a rest stop in a place called Topley,
hit a bump, and the dreaded red eye began to glare
at us from the dash and the ammeter needle heading
far to far to the south.  It was dark, cold, and
Topley is a "blink and you miss it" place, with no
services at all.  Popped the hood anyway 
(now it is -15c) and had a look.  All connections
firm, so no problem.  Hopped back in, turned off 
the heat and roared to Burns Lake 60k ahead, still
in the dark with lights and the red eye blazing.
I think we hit 65mph occasionally (thankfully, I 
have no rev counter so I didn't know how high the rpms
were)

Burns Lake.  Had breakfast .  7:30, get into the 
garage and scam some wiring connectors.  Replace
every connector I can find.  Nothing.  Check the
alternator.  No juice going through.  No parts
No chance of getting parts etc. the usual Colonial
lr story.  By now it was light out and
we didn't need the headlamps, so we piled on the 
sleeping bags pressed on sans heater 
(it was now -25c as there was a massive low pressure
area in the middle of the province).  We stopped for
a charge in Quesnel with the battery still at 10volts.
By 100mile house the sky was getting violet and the 
temperature warmer.  I disconnected one headlamp
and pressed on to Cache Creek, recieved another
charge from a closed heavy truck garage and made
it to Kamloops by 9:00 pm.

It ends up that the 41/2 inch stud (from NAPA)
on the bottom of the generator had snapped, 
thrashing the bearing, so it wasn't Emerson's
fault at all.  It is comforting to know that you
can go so far on so little....

*NAPA stocks generators for $98.00 CAN with a
1 day turn around.

P.S. does anyone actually *change* their oil, or do
they just top it up every few days...  :-)

--
Clinton D. Coates		uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
*Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs

If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover

------------------------------

From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: BB Address unknown
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 11:28:00 EST

Adam Kitchen, you mailbox doesn't take mail.
Do I have your address wrong? see below

   ----- The following addresses had delivery problems -----
<lazarus@gladstone.uoregon.edu>  (unrecoverable error)

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to gladstone.uoregon.edu.:
>>> RCPT To:<lazarus@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
<<< 550 <lazarus@gladstone.uoregon.edu>... User unknown
550 <lazarus@gladstone.uoregon.edu>... User unknown

Please post me a note and I'll try again

Trevor Easton

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:29:35 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Selectro Hubs

I've an idea I've asked this question before,but I'm no wiser now
so I'll ask it again,more in hope than expectation......
Does anyone know who manufactures the above mentioned free wheel
hubs?They are American,that much I do know.
The reason for asking is that it would appear that either the
manufacturer,or the UK importer will *not* supply spare parts.
I currently have a set,which I was given,which came off a 24 spline
109".I want to put them on my 10spline 88".Therefore I need the 10 spline
driving collar(s) and two attachment nuts.At a pinch,I could make the
nuts,but not the collars.I *know* there are other ways round the problem,
some of which would probably cost me more than a new set of hubs,but I want
to keep the Rover as standard as I can.
It seems to me to be asking for trouble to supply the complete article
but no spares.To expect anyone to spend another fifty quid on a new set,
when in all probability all that is needed is a twopenny ha'penny bit,in
*one* of the hubs,is a colossal arrogance that fair takes the breath away.
*Not* the way to ensure repeat sales,or when word gets around,no sales at all.
If all the manufacturers are interested in is domestic sales,then they shouldnt
export the damn things at all,in my view.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:44:24 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: d90 SW dealer pricing

On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, John Christensen wrote:

> I drove by the local Land Rover dealer the other day.  Saw
> two beautiful D90 SWs, both Alpine White.  I thought I'd stop
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> Love that supply and demand.
> Signed Stunned in Utah!

Dear Stunned,

There's a cover article in the current Business Week Magazine about the
impending demise of small car dealers in America.  I can't imagine why
anybody would want to see the end of this "Gouging of America."  The poor
guy is just trying to scrape by with an extra $10,000 profit margin.  After
all, he has the dealership, so he's entitled to whatever the market will
bear.  On the other hand, with any luck maybe he'll choke on them.

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
 

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:53:11 -0500
Subject: Re: CB Radio Antenna

In a message dated 96-02-15 00:21:27 EST, you write:

>Has anyone figured out a good way to mount a permanent CB Radio antenna
>without drilling holes in a Defender 90? 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Paul Patsis
>'95 D90

Paul, did you check into those combination CB/AM/FM antennas?  Then you could
simply replace the existing antenna.

I made a small square plate with a bolt welded perpendicular, then screwed
the bolt into the top of the safari bar, this I used as a  mount for a
mag-mount antenna.  But, you could just screw the antenna into one of those
tabs up top instead.  Probably need to drill out the bolt though, depending
on base of antenna.
John. 94 D90  

------------------------------

From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:53:13 -0500
Subject: Re: New Jersey Legislation

In a message dated 96-02-14 15:32:34 EST, you write:

>The buy back programs are a nothing but a self-serving program designed for
>the 
>benefit of the car companies and industrial polluters. 

Well, in fact, you are partly right, the programs are designed to help
industrial polluters.  That's what I said.
Thanks for summing it up so succinctly.

John.

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:53:58 -0500 (EST)
From: MkII T <tkn9389@hertz.njit.edu>
Subject: Any Suggestion on Used RR Checklist?

Hi,
	I'm going to take a look at an used '89 RR this afternoon.  Any 
suggestion in what I should look for when examining the RR (besides those 
common used car check list).  
	This is what I know so far from talking with her on the phone.  
She's the 2nd owner of the vehicle; she purchased the RR 3 years ago.  
Original owner drove the Rover for about some 20,000 miles and she put on 
another 20,000 miles in three years.  She claimed it has never been in 
any accident though it does have two small dents (she got a quote of $700 
to fix them).  She also said that she never used it for off-road.  Sounds 
too good to be true?
	Since this is a '89 model, I guess I don't have to worry about 
whether she had ever engaged locking center differential while driving on 
a non-off-road environment, right?
	Any speedy information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Tony
tkn9389@hertz.njit.edu
tning@gpu.com

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:04:01 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Selectro Hubs

Mike,
Which kind of Selectro are they? The kind that have the large knob 
like the Fairey, or the kind with the two levers. They were both  made by 
Selectro, but I no longer have an address for them. I have both 
kinds, but no spares. Let me know what you have and I'll help if I 
can.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:06:10 -0800
Subject: Re: LR QC, Lawyers (Longish)

On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com> wrote:

>At 01:19 15.02.96 -0800, Franklin H. Yap wrote:
>However, lawyers don't make the laws.  Courts 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>>and legislatures do. 
>Really?  And who are most of the legislators and judges?
Touche!

Eric

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 09:06:14 -0800
Subject: CB Radio Noise

Not entirely Rover related but since many people seem to have one....

My CB radio installation seems to pick up an inordinate amount of noise.  When 
the engine is shut off, the radio works fine, the static is minimal.  When the 
vehicle is running (or electrical equipment is working) the static is 
significantly louder an the required squelch level is much higher.  Even when I 
step on the breaks, the squelch 'breaks' and I get an annoying static.

The radio is wired to an auxiliary battery through a Radio S**t noise filter 
with one of those through glass antennas.  I thought the noise filter and second 
battery would take care of the prolem, but I guess not.

Any suggestions?

BTW, thank you all for the advice on the GPS...I've got a bunch of boating 
supply catalogs on the way to find the best prices and accesories.

Regards,
Eric

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 16:07:57 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: re:LR QC, Lawyers (Longish)

>        BpsL was quite an organisation up to the late 1960's
>        when the built up rot began to serious topple the company.

I agree.One commentator said of BL,"It appears to exist to give job
satisfaction to graduate engineers,not to produce cars people want".
That said,Land Rover propped up the rest of the group for years.
I'm not altogether certain that isnt what is going to happen under
the current unloved and unwanted owners as well.I also have a sneaking
suspicion that Land Rover would be as well kept just a *wee* bit short
of cash.They've been that way for nearly fifty years now,and it may have
become a way of life.You've only got to look at some of the daft ideas
that never happened due to poverty,which doesnt apply now.As for quality,
the main beef over here semms to be electrics.Surprised?
Cheers
Mike Rooth

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 12:34:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: CB Radio Antenna

>Q.  What is the best way to mount a CB antennae to a Land Rover?
>A.  The best antennae mount is the Lucas Tri-Polar Magnetic mount antennae.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>    Magnetic mount CB antennae.  I think they're on special in this month's 
>    flyer.

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:02:09 -0500
Subject: Enterprise Rentals
From: wheelman@pipeline.com (Lee M. Levitt)

 
Just a quick follow up note. Someone posted a message a while back about
Enterprise Rentacar offering Discos. My local LR dealer, Foreign Motors
West, noted that Enterprise bought some 400 or so Discos for use
countrywide, with concentrations in likely areas... 
 
I've spoken to the Enterprise 800 # a couple of times but wasn't able to
get any identified through their computer. Operators, tho, will call local
offices to see if they have any. I found one in San Fran. Called
them...they turned me on to one in San Jose for a trip next week. 
 
Downside is that while Enterprise charges $55 or so for a Pathfinder,
they're getting $100 a day for the Disco. Since I'm trying to decide
between a new Disco and a '95 Rangie, its worth it to me to spend a coupla
days driving around in the Disco (and the company will pick up part...) 
 
BTW, if anyone has any thoughts on the choice between a new Disco and a
slightly used Rangie, I'd appreciate it. My priorities are as follows: 
 
safety (that's why older Rangies aren't being considered, no bags,
intrusion bars) 
reliability (FWIW) 
comfort 
handling 
overall cost of ownership 
cargo capability 
offroad capability 
and most important of all...the Disco won't fit in my garage without some
reconstructive surgery! Misses by about 1/2 inch with the load bars on! 
 
TIA, 
 
Lee 
 
-- 
Lee M. Levitt 
wheelman@pipeline.com 
 

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 17:48:20 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: Oh boyoboyoboyo

I might have got myself deep into hock, and I think I have found the answer to 
a dream. Yes, I will no longer sign "S-III Yellow Peril and Range-Rover <still 
looking>" If the Gods of Birmabrite and Transactional Cash Exchange smile on 
me I will soon go and fetch a 1990 Range-Rover with turbo diesel. It has been 
checked out and has almost nil different from mint condition.

I feel worse than when the twins were about to be borne. A huge thanks to all 
those who have answered my tedious diesel questions. To those Rangie Boffs, 
one last question: does the 1990 have the silent drive train or is it still 
the *thunk*-mobile model. 

Please folks, hold thumbs, (or whatever appendage is appropriate to you), and 
wish me luck with obtaining the finance and hope for a hurdle-free 
acquisition.

Cheers
Matthew
S-III and soon Rangie-'90
ZA

BTW, can anyone tell me what a the "VM" is in "Turbo Diesel VM"?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 14:27:33 -0500
From: "Anthony John E. Maravilla IU-Med3" <amaravil@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Re: Enterprise Rentals

I think you are doing the right thing in test driving the cars first.  I 
wish I did.  I went ahead and bought a disco without trying out a 
County.  Then one day at the dealership I test drove a county and I fell 
in love with it.  Granted there was a big price difference even in the 
used model it still was great.  But I am still very much happy with the 
Disco.  One reason is that it is a unique vehicle.  In my area I only 
see about 3-5  a week.  Heads always turn when I drive it around town.  
For sure when I get done with medical school and my bills are paid off I 
will upgrade to a Range Rover.  So, I believe to at least try both out 
for a week or so,  They both have great qualities.
The Cobty definately has a smoother ride and is wider.  The safety 
feature is defibately a big factor for me in deciding a car.  As for the 
gas mileage, if you can afford a Rover vehicle then you can afford the 
gas. As for the maintenance costs both are about the same.  That is 
preventive maintenance costs.  I must spend a lot in preventive 
maintenance, but I think that saves me in a big emergency repair bill.  
And again, not to be a snob, if preventive maintenance cost seem too 
high, then a Rover or any upper class foreign car for that matter, 
should not be taken int consideration. Cargo wise, the County definately 
has more room.  Although I think the new Disco's are very reliable.  And 
from seeing a lot of pictures of off road competitions, it seems like a 
Disco is better for that, but that is my opinion.  Well good luck in 
finding what Rover suits you best.  Either way I think you will be 
happy.  Hey get both!
John Maravilla
'95 Bronze Discovery

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 11:36:57 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Oh boyoboyoboyo

At 05:48 PM 2/15/96 UT, Matthew Loxton <mloxton@msn.com> wrote:
>I will soon go and fetch a 1990 Range-Rover with turbo diesel.
>BTW, can anyone tell me what a the "VM" is in "Turbo Diesel VM"?

 "Very Macho"!  ...or is it "Very Masochistic"? :)

 Cheers,
                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:44:00 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Funny brakes = headaches

>"Hadley, William H." <whadley@INETGATE.ushmm.org> wrote:
>     Well here it goes...
>     Nessie is on the road with her new hydraulics and her tempest-esque 
>     Kodiak. There are still a few lil' things to figure out.
>     This is a '62 88" single system
 
>     My brake pedal is very inconsistent Sometimes I have a stiff pedal and 
>     amazing stopping power and others it almost goes to the floor and 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>     at the top of the can.
>     If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate it. All I ask is for my 
>     brakes to work right...once.

Will - not sure about this but at least it would be easy and cheap to try. I 
had a similar problem once with a VW camper - not to be compared with your 
SIIa, of course, but still. I had not adjusted the brake on one of the rear 
wheels right, and the shoes touched the drum, which made the whole brake 
very hot when I drove for a few kilometers. So whenever I tested the brakes 
at the start of a trip they were just fine, and after ten minutes or so they 
needed pumping - except in the city when the brakes had time to cool off. 
The reservoir fluid coming out of the top would fit - part of your fluid 
turns to steam and that both causes the need to pump and the expulsion of 
fluid from the reservoir. The only thing that does not fit is the silicone 
fluid - I thought silicone brake fluid would only start to boil at much 
higher temperatures, apparently it is the water contained in the normal 
brake fluid that starts to boil. The test would be to go at top speed for 
like ten minutes, then stop and check the wheels/brake drums for excessive heat.
Hope this helps
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 16:35:50 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: misc

1. Renewed Traditions.
I've seen this post before... If you're interested in my opinion of
the quality of the work, please e-mail me directly.

2. Automatic Defenders.  I have a RR auto tranny/x-fer case for sale.

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From: kessels=20bill=20=28ca-otta-mc=29%ott01%c14a#%forwarder@ey.geis.com
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 21:44:00 UTC 0000
Subject: The Land Rover Experience

(LAN Addressees) lro submissions

I just bought Sheppard's book, The Land Rover Experience, from RN.  It is
excellent-covers all aspects of LR vehicles and how to drive them off road,
recover them, etc.  I wish I would have read it before my early off-road
experiences-I would have saved enough money in repairs to pay for the book and
the recovery equipment I should have had!

Bill Kessels
Ottawa, Ontario
94D90
kesselsb@ey.geis.com

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Date: 15 Feb 96 17:17:32 EST
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Iveco diesel

David Olley you are mistaken, the diesel engine fitted to RR and to some SD1
cars were made by another Italian Co called VM.
 The Iveco is made by Fiat and is now a Ford / Fiat joint venture.
 Conversion kits are available for the Iveco or Ford/ Iveco engines in the UK
and in Germany.

 Regards   Bill Leacock    Limey in exile.

------------------------------

From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:19:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Any Suggestion on Used RR Checklist?

>>speedy information would be greatly appreciated.

Tony - Unscrew the oil filler cap and look for "glazing".  You'll know it
when you see it.  It's a sign that the PO didn't do regular oil changes, and
may not be important, but it's a bargaining point.  I bought my '89 with 56K.
 The RR had one PO and was a lease vehicle.  I didn't check at the time, and
mine was definitely glazed.  But so far, so good.  It runs like a champ and
uses no oil (90+K).  The other check point I didn't discover until later was
the old carpet check.  My RR had never been hit, supposedly!, but when I
pulled the carpet in back while installing a tool box, there was broken
glass.  Checking the right rear quarter panel, it showed a bit of paint
overspray on the molding.  Actually, on closer inspection, the whole truck
had been repainted (telltale signs of masking around the sunroof gasket,
etc).  But I should be thankful, I guess.  The paint job was perfect, except
where they missed the cleanup on the hard to reach places.  No orange-peel.
 And as for the bodywork, no bondo, they just bolted on a new rear quarter
panel an d it was as good as new.  The dealer-deception was a bit
disconcerting, though.

Good luck. - Tony      PS: You''ll love the truck.

------------------------------

From: Inkornoink@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:20:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Corrosion Warranty Update

In a message dated 96-02-08 09:38:23 EST, you write:

>         To make a long story short... I decided to go right
>         to the top and cut out all the CRAP. My letter to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
>         trouble free [knock on wood] except of course fot
>         that ABS light.

Congrats!  Glad that it worked out!

Hank

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From: Inkornoink@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:20:21 -0500
Subject: Re: 2 Doormobile = Dormobile

In a message dated 96-02-12 17:10:03 EST, you write:

>Well like I said in my followup message..ooopps
>I didn't think until later that the size would be unwieldy, possibly choke
>some mailers and may not be read by some.  I sent a text message and

enclosed
>3 jpeg pictures that were compressed in stuffit
>To see them you need to uncompress them then open the jpeg files.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>To see them you need to uncompress them then open the jpeg files.
>If you have no interest in Dormobiles, don't bother.

TeriAnn- I deleted your compressed jpegs..can you forward them to me?
 Thanks, Hank 

Inkornoink@aol.com

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:30:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Bolt-on aluminum panels?

>>>>>BUT, most panels are easily replaced as they are bolted
>on...Is this true on all the current Land Rovers, or just on the series
vehicles?<<<<<<

The series LR's are pop-riveted together.  It's the same principal, you just
need different tools.  The series LR's, however, don't have the steel
under-body.  The aluminum is just built up from the steel frame and a few key
steel components (firewall, radiator panel aka: breakfast, etc).

The RR's & Discos are bolt on panels to a steel sub-body.  I don't know about
the Defenders, but I would guess they're more like the series. - Tony

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:34:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Series Seats Butt Destroyers?- Yes or No?

>>Butt busters? Man, I've put some miles on my SIII and I haven't had a
single busted butt from the seats.

I've got 1/3 million miles on Lulubelle and haven't busted my butt yet.
 However, I had a Chrysler LeBaron Convert for a few years, and there is a
car you don't want to spend hours in. - Tony

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:59:05 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Iveco diesel

William L. Leacock wrote:

> David Olley you are mistaken, the diesel engine fitted to RR and to some SD1 cars were made by another Italian Co called VM.

Well Bill, you are of, course, absolutely right. I don't what I was 
thinking of. Probably in haste (you know how these messages get read) I 
just connected with "Italian". Unforgiveable.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:05:50 +0000
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Funny brakes = headaches

lopezba@atnet.at wrote:

> apparently it is the water contained in the normal brake fluid that starts to boil. 

It is not normal for brake fluid to contain water. If this is the case, 
then the whole system should be drained and filled with fresh fluid.

Brake fluid is hygroscopic (or is it hydroscopic?) and readily absorbs 
water if left in an open container. Over a long period, fluid will tend 
to absorb water in the brake system, which is why the service manuals 
recommend changes at intervals.

-- 
David Olley
.....................................................................................
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
.....................................................................................

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 17:00:53 -0800
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: The Duke, seats and rotary motor

Thanks all for advice on new seats for Emerson.  I never really
want to test ICBC coverage for whiplash!

The Iron Duke motor seems like a pretty ideal conversion.  Just 
asking around amongst general motor people and they have all heard
about it and figure that rebuildable blocks should be available
for essentially nothing.

Has any
one thought of trying a 6 port Mazda rotary engine?
They are pretty small and light, very quite, rev to 9k, are 
very  quiet, get a stock 135 hp with a 4 barrel carb, are 
very quiet, have a flat power band, are very quiet
 and are peanuts at wreckers because they 
last a loong time....and are very quiet.  Apparently
a rebuild on one costs about $1000 CAN in Vancouver-
pretty cheap 

potential problems (i am still trying to find specs on
the motor from a mazda owner)

1)manifold on the right side so exhaust could interfere
  with the gas tank (yikes) and transfer case
2)mounting length and motor mounts (not a clue until
  I can see one up close and personal)
3)mileage could be pretty poor
4)normal linkage/rad connector/overheating problems

anyway, just dreaming...

--
Clinton D. Coates      uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
 __x___x_  /
|__|__|__\/__
|     |   |_ |

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:18:18 -0800
From: wd006@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Ralph Gustafson)
Subject: Importing Series LR's to Canada from UK

How hard is it to import land rovers from the UK into Canada?
They seem really cheap over there, even taking into account
the exchange rate.  There are probably emmision and safety regs
that make it difficult to import them, but perhaps they can 
be circumvented or the trucks modified?  

Clinton D. Coates      uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
 __x___x_  /
|__|__|__\/__
|     |   |_ |
 (_)""""""(_)"
*Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
*If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:34:05
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Derusting at home with the wife and kids

Derusting can be done in much the same way as Lye stripping. The chemical you 
want is Phosphoric acid. This is the same stuff they sell as Naval Jelly and 
a hundred other products. 
You need a plastic container for this so you don't get China Syndrome in your 
steel can.
Try a 50 per cent solution. Use rubber gloves and eye protection when 
handling this and any other strong chemical.
Dip your degreased parts in the solution and be amazed at how fast the rust 
comes off. Air dry ! Leave the protective phosphate coating intact.
You should wind up with parts that are as clean and rust free as new 
castings.

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 21:35:37
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Lye to me...Clean up yor act !

One of the cheapest and best parts cleaners can be found at your local 
grocery store ! Good 'ol lye. This is a powerful stripping agent and should 
be used with a healthy respect.

Some restrictions up front: 
	Don't use it on brass, aluminum, or spring steel parts!!!  It will do 
bad molecular things to these soft materials and specialty steels. Use it for 
cruddy, gunky, heavily rusted and painted steel.
	Use rubber gloves,body and eye protection! Splashes can do real damage 
to you and your clothes.

Here's how:
I recommend a large galvanized steel laundry tub for most work as it's a good 
size for most parts and has handles. You can use anything you wish as long as 
it holds its weight when full of solution. Plastic is OK but you can't 
readily heat it.
Heated lye solution cuts gease and gunk faster than cold, but you can use it 
cold if heating is too much hassle.
I use a single propane burner and elevate the tub on cinderblocks.

I find one can lye per 5 gallons water to be adequate for most stripping work 
but don't go much beyond 1 to 3 gallons as it won't gain you anything.

After your parts come out after a few hours (overnight if cold) wash them 
with plenty of clear water using a strong garden hose jet. They should be 
stripped of all that gook and grime with no elbow grease involved!

Your solution will get a skim of grease which you must occaisionally remove 
as it will tend to redeposit on your parts as they come out of the bath.
Also, a good deal of crud will settle to the bottom of your bath. Allow the 
solution to settle out and simply pour off the good top strata into a second 
container.

Check local laws regarding disposal of spent solution.

Now you can proceed to derusting operations. 

The stuff works at its own pace,  but it works great!
 
Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:38:17 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Importing Series LR's to Canada from UK

At 06:18 PM 2/15/96, Ralph Gustafson <wd006@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>
wrote:
>How hard is it to import land rovers from the UK into Canada?
>They seem really cheap over there, even taking into account
>the exchange rate.  There are probably emmision and safety regs
>that make it difficult to import them, but perhaps they can 
>be circumvented or the trucks modified?  

 Apparently not very hard.  Canada has a 15 year expiry, that is, no
 restrictive regulation on vehicles over 15 years old (1981?).
 I don't know what the import duty or taxes are, if any.

 Cheers,
                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: David Scott Mary Ann <birddog@auburn.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Defender 110, 93 USA edition of 500
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:56:22 -0600

What is the going rate for  the 500 edition 93 Defender 110's.  Has =
anyone seen one for less than 40k. What is the service record out there, =
any Quirks?  What is the height to the high point on the roof rack?   =
Thanks for all the great info on removing skins from series doors!   I =
sincerely apologize for all the encrypted junk following my threads.  I =
hope I have this corrected.  birddog...all of us are ignorant, just =
about different things.
67 88 stwgn,  69 88 sta wgn,  3 61 109 pkups, 1 diesel 62 109 pkup.  73 =
88 sta wgn,  all critically ill but in intensive care.  88RR   At what =
age are Land Rovers covered by Medicare?  The nursing home care cost is =
killing me.

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:07:44 -0800
From: jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us (john hess)
Subject: LROA directory

Howdy everyone,

I thought that the story of one Land-Rover owner helping another was pretty
much par for the course.  Before I bought my rover, I used the LROA
directory to introduce myself to a Dormobile owner and get some insights.
Those same Dormobile owners later allowed us to stay at their house before
a big all british meet.  Thanks Tony and Linda.

On my drive home with the Dormobile (from Maine to California via Texas)  I
brought along the LROA directory;  I was prepared to call the nearest Land
Rover owner in the directory if something happened to the Rover.

Before the drive home, a complete stranger offered us (my wife, son and I)
a place to stay after I posted my intents to this list.  Thanks again to
Russell Dushin.

Also before I had a rover, I had offered dinner and a place to sleep to Ben
Smith. He exhibited Rover owner personality.

So, IF you're not a member of LROA, join. Email me for more information. IF
you are, carry the directory when you travel, it could help.  However, as a
member of LROA, treat the information in the directory with respect;  the
information is provided because LROA is a club and not just a magazine
subscription.  (Ever recieved a listing of all the subscribers of LROI?)

Dixon, thanks for mentioning LROA a couple days ago.

John Hess
Pres. pro tem LROA

PS.  Thank you for your patience; the latest newsletter is back from the
printers and will be arriving soon in mailboxes.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:41:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Hummers

All,
    Sorry for the LR-free content, but last time I mentioned that
    actual, real, ex-military Hummers show up in the ads in Military
    Vehicle Magazine, I was deluged with requests for more info.  So
    here's this month's Real Hummers for sale.  I'm not going to type in
    all the descriptions- call 'em if you're interested and can afford
    the price...

    1982 XM-966 (serial number 004) - $60,000 - Bob Brody 716-334-2940

    Hummer parts, frames, rebuilds - Jim - 206-531-3870

    1986 M998 - $39,500 - 608-437-3000 (days) - 608-437-5363 (eves)

    M1025 - $35,000 - Sam - 304-369-0672

    Duncan, happier with his half-as-wide-as-a-Hummer 1960 SII 88 !!

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 22:59:30 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Buy-back pogroms (not a typo)

Eric wrote:
>The buy back programs are nothing but a self-serving program designed
>for the benefit of the car companies and industrial polluters. 

Let's not forget the banking and insurance industries.  Now, think which 
lobbies have contributed the most to elect/re-elect state legislators.
Do we see a pattern here?  It's not what's better for the environment, but 
what's better for *their* bottom line.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:54:02 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: Any Suggestion on Used RR Checklist?

At 11:53 AM 2/15/96 -0500, you wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> * ** * To REPLY send to: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net * ** * -bc
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)]
>Tony
>tkn9389@hertz.njit.edu
>tning@gpu.com
RUST!

I do not know where you live or where the RR lived but here rust is a concern.

As I said already all the bolts underneath will rust solid.  Mine had a
rusted rear lift gate which I replaced at Rovers North for $600 (known when
we bought it).  They also have aluminuim ones available for $200 more.

Check around the lower tailgate too. it is also steel (along with the hood).

Dents are normal wear and tear for a 7 year old auto.  You are right about
the center diff on an 89 but even on my 88 the diff lock only is needed in
thick stuff.  I bet most of the original owners of RRs never even tried the
transfer case lever.

Good luck.

Jeff Kessler
88 Range Rover
Newport New Hampshire
603-863-7883

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:54:07 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: Enterprise Rentals

At 01:02 PM 2/15/96 -0500, you wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> * ** * To REPLY send to: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net * ** * -bc
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 46 lines)]
>-- 
>Lee M. Levitt 
>wheelman@pipeline.com 
Lee

My choice would be the Range Rover.  Also I thought the 95 RR had a new dash
with 2 air bags.

I like the split tailgate over the side door and I have had both.  The RR I
found to be wider inside (hit my elbow shutting the door in a Disco) and the
RR is a (I think) timeless 25 year old design that still looks great.

The RR has the viscous center diff and air suspension and i think a locking
rear diff?

The Disco may be better off road.

But then what do I know, I have an 88 RR which is very similiar to the Disco
underneath and i have not driven a Disco or a recent RR (I plan to next week
when i have the gas tank in my RR replaced).

Jeff Kessler
88 Range Rover
Newport New Hampshire
603-863-7883

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:04:28 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Cupholder Technology

LR related only because I hold my morning coffee and drive with one hand.

Latest AUTOWEEK had a bit where a GM interior designer stated that he was
embarrassed to say what GM spends on cupholder technology then went on to
say he could not believe he had even said the words "cupholder" and
"technology" together.

What do others do with their drinks in RRs?

Jeff Kessler
88 Range Rover
Newport New Hampshire
603-863-7883

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:27:35 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: Oh boyoboyoboyo

At 05:48 PM 2/15/96 UT, you wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> * ** * To REPLY send to: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net * ** * -bc
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 28 lines)]
>ZA
>BTW, can anyone tell me what a the "VM" is in "Turbo Diesel VM"?
VM is the supplier of the diesel engine, Stabilimenti Meccanici VM SpA of
Cento Italy.  Originally 2.4 liters, it was stroked to 2.5 liters for 1990
(119 bhp @ 4200 rpm and 209 lb/ft @ 1950 rpm).  Check your VIN number the
8th letter is engine type, E= 2.4 liter and F= 2.5 liter turbo diesel.

Yes the 1990 should have the silent chain driven transfer box.  If the
transfer lever has only 3 positions, L-N-H, and does not move side to side
to lock unlock then it is the silent type.  You would also have a coin
holder to both sides of the lever.

Just where do you live that you have TD RRs?

Jeff Kessler
88 Range Rover (3.5 liter gas, and not the silent type)
Newport New Hampshire
603-863-7883

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 00:57:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Bolt-on aluminum panels?

On Thu, 15 Feb 1996 Sanna@aol.com wrote:

> The series LR's are pop-riveted together.  It's the same principal, you just
> need different tools.  

	Pop rivets?  Cool...  Ummmm, where do I look on my '64 109 sw?

Dixon Kenner                                    (819) 997-1107
Canadian Forestry Service                       Natural Resources Canada

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 01:38:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Importing Series LR's to Canada from UK

On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Ralph Gustafson wrote:

> How hard is it to import land rovers from the UK into Canada?
> They seem really cheap over there, even taking into account
> the exchange rate.  There are probably emmision and safety regs
> that make it difficult to import them, but perhaps they can 
> be circumvented or the trucks modified?  

	The fast and simple answer...

	http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.5.parts.customs.canada.html

	In one line...  Make it 15 years old and you can have what you want.

	Hmmm, less info than the web address... Read the web page...

	You want Statutory Concession 2440 of Schedule 2 of the Customs Act.

	After reading the web page, drop a line if you have further 
	questions.  The page covers parts and vehicles imported to Canada.

	Rgds,

Dixon Kenner                                    (819) 997-1107
Canadian Forestry Service                       Natural Resources Canada

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 01:40:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Importing Series LR's to Canada from UK

On Thu, 15 Feb 1996, Michael Carradine wrote:

>  Apparently not very hard.  Canada has a 15 year expiry, that is, no
>  restrictive regulation on vehicles over 15 years old (1981?).
>  I don't know what the import duty or taxes are, if any.

	Rules vary a bit.  I have added a web page for Canada.  Anyone
	with USA info?  I'll add that too...

	Rgds,

Dixon Kenner                                    (819) 997-1107
Canadian Forestry Service                       Natural Resources Canada

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