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From: Tomas Felner <felner@inf.ethz.ch>
Subject: Buying a Land Rover in South Africa
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:31:15 +0100 (MET)

Hi folks!

I'm new to this list so please forgive any FAQs. I am plannig to travel
South Africa, Namibia, Botswana and Zimbabwe for a couple of months and am
considering to get a Land Rover to do this. I'm completely new to Land Rovers
and am looking for information. I have found a wealth of stuff on the Web
which already helps a lot.

What I need now is some help with actually buying a Land Rover in South
Africa, preferably in Cape Town. Does anybody know how to go about, where to
look for, price ideas, maybe even someone who could help? Any information is
appreciated.

Thanks a lot,

	- Tom

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 96 15:50:17 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: parts from UK

Okay, I may dread doing this, but here goes. 

Work is now requiring me to support our operations  in Europe. I will be based 
in the UK and going there about 10 days a month for a year. 

So, if anyone in the NE requires me to bring back SMALL manageable parts for 
their Land Rovers let me know. 

There are some rules, you call the company and place the order, you pay for it 
and I will bring it back. 

Mark

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 10:54:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Discovery Cooling system

In a message dated 96-02-10 12:58:54 EST, you write:

>Other Discovery/defender 
>owners may want to keep an eye on this area too.

My Defender leaks there too...but I like it that way, so I'm not gonna tell
the dealer.  If I tell the dealer, then they'll fix it and the truck will
start leaking somewhere else.  

John.

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From: Gene Sparks <galleryg@techline.com>
Subject: Birmabright Brotherhood
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 07:57:34 -0800

Add me to the list.
Gene Sparks
Aberdeen WA
360-532-7869
360-533-3852 Days
Garage
Auto trailer generally avail (Ryder Truck Dealer)
Tools
Disco Workshop Manual
Fair Mechanic (Access to mechanic on weekends)
Coffees always on, overnights OK in emergency

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 10:47:28 -0600
From: eec@interaccess.com (Edward Chambers)
Subject: '97 NAS Defenders to be Available?

Hi all:

I was at the Chicago Auto Show yesterday and swung by the Land Rover
display.  I was talking with one of the LR guys there who worked for one of
the local LR dealerships.

He told me that the Defender 90 was going to be re-introduced in the US in
1997.  It supposedly will intitially be available with Auto trans., but will
be available in either the wagon or rag-top.

Supposedly, it will also have air-bags, side impact rails, abs, etc., and
etc.  I didn't get a chance to ask alot of detailed questions, although it
seemed as if he only knew sketchy information about it anyway.

Has anyone heard anything like this?  This would be fantastic news, but I
don't know how to confirm it.

Best Regards,
Ed Chambers
eec@interaccess.com

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:51:49 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: RR wheel bearing

Steve Methley wrote:
>Shaun wrote:
>>While installing tires and new rear springs, the mechanic noticed a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>I'd want some answers to this before I gave him any more work, or have
>I missed something?

Sure did, Steve. There is a very clear sign that the wheel bearing does not 
get enough lubrication in a Land Rover product. If there is no oil leaking 
out of a hub, there is a problem!

Sorry about that. Shaun, Steve is right, I think.
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Vienna, Austria

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:51:47 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Series: Truth in Advertising

Dean Cording wrote:
>I picked up a copy of the original Series I brochure from my dealer 
>today.  Apparently they have reprinted them to emphasise the 'Land Rover 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>going"
>Remember this is a Series I soft-top they are talking about.
Well - two out of six is bad for advertising?
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W
Well-ventilated in Vienna, Austria

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:51:52 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Cold start warning switch on seriesIII

Dean Cording wrote:
>On 9 Feb 1996, Alan Richer wrote:
>> The circuit on that bulb is fairly simple:
>> +12 ---- Bulb----Switch on the cold-start cable----- thermostatic switch 
on the 
>	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>> housing, held in place with a triangular pattern of small bolts and with a 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>However the switch is connected to the choke cable inside the steering 
>column shroud.

Don't have an SIII manual (yet), but both my SI and my SIIa manuals show a 
Thermostat switch for choke warning light (part number 213574) and a 
Thermostat switch for mixture warning light (part number 545010), 
respectively, on the cylinder head. Makes sense, too, unless your warning 
light is always on when your choke is pulled. Early remote control?
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W (non-operative choke warning light)
Vienna, Austria

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From: ALFISTI@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 12:43:46 -0500
Subject: RE: Birmabright Brotherhood

(Doug Scott) SACME@aol.com wrote:

>Why do I get the feeling I started something (gulp!).  There seems to be
some
>interest in putting together a directory of LR/RR/Def/Disco owners, if there
~~~~
>"Birmabright Brotherhood" has a nice ring to it, I think, but there may be
>some who feel that it is sexist - again, let's hear what you think about it
>and everything else.

"B....Bunch"?  "....Bumblers?"  

AROC (Alfa Romeo Owner's Club) does something like this and publishes it
annually in one of the monthly newsletters.  I put that issue in the trunk of
my car and leave it there, just in case. A very good idea for us. They use
letter codes to show what level of help you can expect. I.e., W=works space
avail, T=tools avail, M=mechanical/technical help offered, D=spare bed avail,
C=coffee and consversation, E=contact only if an emergency.    BTW, I've been
in their list for ten years with not one call. Of course, I am somewhat off
the beaten path. 

Jim
Northern New Messico    "I gotta do all my own work...couldn't afford this
habit otherwise"
'94 Disco                       
'88 Alfa Milano 3.0
'81 MB 300tdt
'71 IH Travelall 4x4 (Sold!)

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 96 17:52:32 PST
From: Rick Thomas <aas39@dial.pipex.com>
Subject: New E-Mail Address

Hi there, 
I am about to cancel my subscription with Celtic, and therefore started a new account with Pipex. My new E-Mail addreess
is aas39@dial.pipex.com
Byee. 

Rick.....

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He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any 
man I've ever met.
- Abraham Lincon (1809 - 1865)
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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 13:38:41 -0500
Subject: Re: '97 NAS Defenders to be Available?

I'm sure Jim Pappas will see this message and comment on it as soon as he
gets the correct info...if anyone knows...it's Jim.

                                                                        Rgds,
                                                                        Steve

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 13:38:42 -0500
Subject: test message please just delete

All;     This ia a test message only, this is a test messgae only.   I
beleive I have corrected my formatting problems thru my server.
     I am hopeful that this problem has been corrected and that my future
messages/ postings to the list will appear in their proper format.
    Please bear with me as I ramble here a bit in order to see if the problem
has been corrected and that things are as they should be.

                                                                        Rgds,

                                                                        Steve
   72 S lll

                                                                           68
S lla
End of Test

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 12:37:52 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: message format

Steve asks...

>     Does anyone have an idea as to why my postings are coming out the way
>they are??(with the signature way at the bottom of the page??) I really do
>know how to compose a letter and where to put the signature. !!

It's gotta be some AOL crap, Steve. When you position your "signature", try
putting it on the left side of the page, just one or two lines below the text.

Cheers
Mike

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Subject: the 'FOO Trophy' and  'FOO Tropy Adventure Wear'
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:31:57 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Well guys, you haven't been paying attention.

Years ago, the 'FOO Trophy' was sponsored by a tobacco company, but now
it is more insidious, you see, FOO, the cigarette company, can't get coverage
in significant bits of europe, due to laws preventing the advertising of
cigarettes (those of you following F1 recall that some circuits have the
vehicles run w/o logos so they can get air coverage on the tele)

Nope, the official sponser of the 'FOO Trophy', as it is still commonly 
referred to is 'FOO Trophy Adventure Wear', that's right a self-fulfilling
spin off of FOO. To sell 'FOO Trophy Adventure Wear' badged drygoods and support
the event. (Didn't you wonder why 'Bar Gear' began getting pushed in a big
way a couple years ago with 'Bar Tokens' and 'Bar Gear' stores in Covent Gardent
and other fashionable places ?)

So, of course, just like on your selves, this subtle distinction is lost on
folks who don't follow these things so closely, and they don't make the 
distinction between FOO 'death sticks' and 'FOO Trophy Adventure Wear', but be
wary that the message about the 'FOO Trophy Adventure Wear' is not restricted
in reaching them, and the gear is considered fashionable or chic, so they're
encouraged to acquire it, thus lending credibility to its being fashionable,
and passing the message on that Smoking FOO is cool.
	(err, wearing 'FOO Trophy Adventure Wear' is cool.)

Between that and BAR Gear, you've got twice as many reasons to dis-like
the nicotine pushers.

Now like they say on Madison, no publicity is bad publicity, so stop bitching
about them to the list and figure out what *you* and do about it besides moan. 

    Cheers,
        --bill  caloccia@OpenMarket.com		   P
						   R
                    http://www.OpenMarket.com/personal/caloccia/
                    http://www.senie.com/billc/    D
   R  1  3  2wd  H        1  3 R  dl OD  L      L  3     
   +--|--|   o   |        |--|-+  o  |   |      |  2
      2  4  4wd  L        2  4    ul N   H      H  1
   '63 SIIa RHD 88"       '72 Range Rover     '90 RR County
      793-PTA                DAJ-802-L
			   Dewsbury, UK
			    (for sale)

PS: if you do have a Smoking Joe hat then whip out your BAR GEAR swiss army
knife and carefully cut the threads for the cigarette and smoke, then remove
them and paint a big red null over Smoking Joe. Wear it with pride, protesting
advertising cigarettes aimed at children. 

PPS did you ever notice how the format of the lro list logo has a faint
resemblance to the FOO Trophy logo ?

Disclaimer: of course my employer would dis-own making these comments, 'cause
they didn't make them, nor did I make them on their behalf, and if someone
dropped a like almost-new 'FOO Trophy Adventure' vehicle in my drive,
I'd consider not stating  similar observations in public in the future, but
I'd reserve the right to repaint it :-)

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:27:51 GMT
From: newconcept@tcp.co.uk (David Olley at NEW CONCEPT)
Subject: Re: Buying a Land Rover in South Africa

>What I need now is some help with actually buying a Land Rover in South
>Africa, preferably in Cape Town. Does anybody know how to go about, where to
>look for, price ideas, maybe even someone who could help? Any information is
>appreciated.

Hi Tom

You could contact a friend of mine in Cape Town, and he may be able to
assist you. He is Toren Wing (an Englishman) and his email address is:

                            wing@gem.co.za

Best of luck.
David Olley
............................................................................
.........
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
............................................................................
.........

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From: David Scott Mary Ann <birddog@auburn.campus.mci.net>
Subject: body work
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 16:45:12 -0600

Can anyone in rover world tell me any tricks to repairing the rust on  =
LR doors.  If there is no structural rust it still seems that you must =
take the skin off and sand blast the frame to really  get rid of the =
rust long term.  Any tricks for removing the  aluminum skin.  Has anyone =
used OS-PHO to get rid of the rust rather than sand blast.  Any =
experience with  the aftermarket door rubber seals?   Are the riveted =
ones really worth it.  Is there anyone out there that rebuilds heaters?  =
Have a great day.  birddog "all of us are ignorant, just about different =
things" Will Rogers

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:08:06 -0500
Subject: Camel Trophy

>I'm really tired of the cigarette manufacturers using this kind of
grandstand 
>event to promote their dangerous products

The Camel Trophy is NOT sponsored by the Camel cigarette company it is
sponsored by Worldwide Brands, Inc., the marketer of Camel Trophy Adventure
gear and clothing.  Most of the British Land Rover magazines have ads for
this stuff (boots, jackets, watches, etc.)  BTW Phillip Morris owns Worldwide
Brands.

Kevin Kelly

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 17:57:31 -0600
From: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu (Arnold Yoon)
Subject: D90 SW FOUND!!!!

Hi Fellow LRO's!!

If anyone is interested, I just spoke to a dealer rep who said that he had
two D90SWs (white) on his lot...and a third one coming in...I think that he
said that it was Conniston Green....He said that they were asking
32.5K........If ya'll are interested,  drop an e-mail.....I'll get the card
and number for you....
Hmmm...A rarity indeed.....and very close to me!

Arnold Yoon
University of Wisconsin - Madison
E-Mail: ahyoon@students.wisc.edu
Voice: (608) 259-9936

Land Rover 4 Ever!
1995 Land Rover Discovery
"Four Wheel Drive Exemplified"

 

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 15:56:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Adam Leigh Kitchen <lazarus@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Holy Rovers...(Stories for the campfire)

	Last Feb, right around this time, I decided to suprise my 
girlfriend in Texas by showing up out of nowhere on Valentines Day. 
I was living in Oregon at the time, and driving my SIII 88. This truck 
never should have made it out my driveway, much less the 2500 or so miles 
to San Antonio.  But, I had to see her! I bought a case of oil, a jerry 
can and off I went. I managed to go from Eugene, Or. to Pomona, Ca. in 
two days, filling the rig with gas and oil as needed. I found that a 
brick made for good cruise controll, or a sneaker shoved inbetween the 
accelerator and firewall. I'd guess that my top speed was around 70 mph.

	Here's where it gets wierd. I left Pomona after a days rest, and 
about a half hour east of town, I got off the interstate for various reasons.
There, sitting on his rucksack at the end of the ramp, was the 
hitch-hiker I'd soon know as Ray. 
	Ray was a clean cut looking man of about 40, and carried a large 
rucksack and gymbag. As I passed him again on my way to get back on the 
interstate, I stoped. I intended only to offer some encouraging words, and 
a can of pop I had. You can imagine my suprise when, upon stopping, I 
invited him into my hallowed Rover! The words came from me but were not 
mine. It was immidiately rationalized by my mind as being "A very swift 
change of heart".
	We made our intruductions, and struck out for the highway. I 
asked how far he was headed, and he said  Corpus Christi. I was shocked! 
I was going to San Antonio, and here was thid guy that wanted to go the 
whole way too! What a lucky day for him. 
	Anyway, Ray was very religious. An ex con, a former Hell's Angel 
who had seen the "light". I'm not a very religious man, but we had some 
interesting theological debates. He was devout, not demented, and an 
inteligent conversationilst. He had his ways, though.

	He began by Blessing my rig. I laughed it off in my head, not 
wanting to offend. Here's the thing, though. The rig stopped leaking oil.
No, it did not dry up! :) It just stopped leaking. There's a million 
reasons why it happened, I'm sure. It just was a strange coincidence.
That was the first day. 

	On the second day, wew were in New Mexico near the border of 
Arizona when the cabin filled with strong gas fumes. we opened the 
windows and drove on, into arizona. When we couldnt bear it, we pulled 
over and looked under the hood. Ray messed around ion there doing god 
knows what, but at the least he tightened up damn near every bolt in that 
engine bay. The fumes no longer plagued us! Not suprising, no. Just that 
I would not have known what to do, and Ray had some idea. He helped me 
out in return for the ride.
	In the H.A.M.C., Ray was called Artiste. He had a real talent for 
drawing. I had a Harley back in oregon, and when he found out our bond 
grew. He pulled a grease pencil from his bag and drew a huge eagle on my 
rear window. It was something!
	The last thing in this story, although many more things happened 
on the trip is the part about the invisible rest stop. We were somewhere 
in the barren lands of tex-mex country, when I lost my belt. The 
thermometer shot up and the charge light came on, and Ray said that I had 
thrown a belt. I started cursing, and searched the landscape for a place 
to somehow fix this problem. At this point, a broken belt was way over my 
head as far as mechanical expertise went. I looked down at the Temp 
gague, and found the needle pointing to "full" on the gas gague. 
Arrgh! When I looked up, however, I was struck dumb by what I saw. An 
overpass. At the end of that, a gas station with a garage. To this day, 
it mystifies me. Now did i not see it?!?! We were in the middle of the 
desert! Flat pretty much described the whole landscape. And there it  was.
The had a belt the right size, even! 

	I still dodn't know if god exists, but I'll bet it does for Ray.
I won't soon forget him, that's for sure!

Hope this wasnt to long!

Adam Kitchen
SerIIa 109 reg.

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From: David Scott Mary Ann <birddog@auburn.campus.mci.net>
Subject: LR  dealers
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 18:06:37 -0600

Has anyone had any experience with Harrel Motor Sales and their LR  =
work.  They are  an original Series LR dealer till 74 and  still rebuilt =
and repair LR's. They are located in Waynesville, NC.  Have a great day. =
birtddog

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:48:18 +0000
From: Dave White <davew@landie.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy...wrong message!

>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 13:37:29
>From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
>Subject: Camel Trophy...wrong message!

>This Camel Trophy thing is really getting to me. As events go this one seems 
>to be an ostensibly benign show of testosterone, financial largesse and the 

>capabilities of Land Rover vehicles, but I'm really tired of the cigarette 
>manufacturers using this kind of grandstand event to promote their dangerous 
>products, especially when it involves Rovers.

Although I have no love for cigarette manufacturers, the Camel Trophy is an
exception to the case for banning cigarette advertising. Many events start
and then once they get established the corporate peddlars of drugs jump on
the bandwagon and commercialise the event...

The Camel Trophy event was not an event that happened and then got sponsored
by Camel. It was an event that Camel started and asked Land Rover to
participate in. Folklore has it that Jeep were asked first but had no interest
in the event. (Although I have a sneaking feeling that the first event did use
Jeeps - but I may be wrong, it's happened before...) It would perhaps be unfair
now to suggest that the event could continue without the Camel name or logos.

The only message that I see coming from the Camel Trophy is one of team spirit
and camerarderie. Teams from many different countries and backgrounds working
together to complete a journey that would not be possible in a solo vehicle.
Unlike many competitions, when somebody gets stuck they are not left behind,
everybody stops and helps.
What's wrong with that message ???

To show how ineffective the Camel Trophy has been in selling cigarettes I can
now confess that, although I watch the event every year, I have never had the
urge to take up smoking again. :-)

----------------------------------------------------
Dave White.
'72 SWB SIII V8 Auto R/R Chassis and running gear.
'89 Range Rover
Yorkshire Rover Owners Club UK

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 16:22:07 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy

Okay.  The Camel Trophy is sponsored by Worldwide Brands, and Worldwide
Brands is owned by Phillip Morris.  Phillip Morris makes Camel cigarettes,
no?  The Camel Trophy logo's lettering looks exactly like the lettering on
the Camel cigarette pack.
Then again, it could be worse.  They could have stuck Joe Camel's phallic
face on it. 

Cheers!
John

At 18:08 11.02.96 -0500, KKelly6788@aol.com wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> * ** * To REPLY send to: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net * ** * -bc
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>this stuff (boots, jackets, watches, etc.)  BTW Phillip Morris owns Worldwide
>Brands.
>Kevin Kelly

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:17:39 -0500
From: Michael Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy

>The Camel Trophy is NOT sponsored by the Camel cigarette company it is
>sponsored by Worldwide Brands, Inc., the marketer of Camel Trophy >Adventuregear and clothing. 

Wow! somebody figured out who "camel trophy" really is!  Kinda like the 
Maverick in australia -- things are not what we usually associate them 
with in the U.S....Thanks Kevin

-- 
=============================================================  	 
        Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net"
       92 Range Rover   
      Graduate Student, MBA Program, Old Dominion University
      Norfolk, VA, USA  
       (804) 440-5383   
=============================================================

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:17:46 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Slipping ZF's

Looked at another Range Rover today...it's becoming a real "education."  
This one was a high-mileage (117k) '89, in pretty good condition overall, 
but the ZF auto box was slipping between 2nd and 3rd.  An auto tranny is not 
my cup of tea, but the price is reasonable...and negotiable.  My guess is 
the bands need adjustment, but how expensive is work on the ZF and can 
anyone do it besides the dealer network?  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: 11 Feb 96 20:26:21 EST
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: 88 wanted

Having filled in my tax return last week I realise we are due back a small sum
of much needed dollars. We propose to purchase an 88 with some of the money. Are
there any 88's for sale in the Western new york area, or in easy travelling
distance of Buffalo.
 Will consider any moderately priced example, preferably hard top,  not bothered
whether petrol, diesel, or non Rover engine.  I am a proficient frame restorer,
transmission and engine builder, not too keen on bodywork, but then again not
too particular about body condition either.
The January Roverlog  had one for sale in area code 516, where is that ? 
  Regards  Bill Leacock   Limey in exile.

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:51:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: '97 NAS Defenders to be Available?

	Much better... :-)

Dixon Kenner
Canadian Forestry Service                       Natural Resources Canada

On Sun, 11 Feb 1996 ASFCO@aol.com wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>  * ** * To REPLY send to: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net * ** * -bc
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>                                                                         Rgds,
>                                                                         Steve

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From: SACME@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:02:05 -0500
Subject: Dr. Ron Thomson's flatland-only LR

On 2/7, Ron Thomson said:
>My problem is that my 1984 SIII 109, with a nice new Weber
>carb on its 2 1/4 petrol, doesn't like pulling up
>long gradual hills.   It coughs, splutters (even when
>over the crest) and dies...etc.   

I had the same prob with my 72 SIII.  I was blaming it on water in the gas
and almost got to the point where I was running on straight isoproyl alcohol
(Dry-Gas), but still the engine would splutter, kick and just barely get over
hills - great stuff on the Maine Turnpike on a winter night.  Then it hit me
- I had installed a secondary fuel filter just before the carb...about ten
(10) years ago, a plastic disposable type.  It was black in color and almost
totally blocked.  About $4.00 at K-Mart and I was ready for LeMans.
Stupid me.  I keep the fouled filter on my desk as a reminder.  

Yours sounds like fuel starvation also, and could be located anywhere from
the tank to the carb.  I would start with the sediment bowl, removing it and
checking for water and dirt, also check the screen for blockage and the
gasket on which the bowl seats - the fuel pump could be sucking air there.
 Some carbs have a built-in filter where the fuel line enters the float bowl;
I don't know the Weber carb that well and it may not.  Also, obviously, check
for fuel leaks everywhere and give her a shot of Dry-Gas.  No doubt others
will have more suggestions.  Let us know the outcome so we can learn from it.
  Good Luck!

Doug Scott

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From: Deezilbob@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:27:41 -0500
Subject: differential question

I own a 67 diesel 21/4 litre which presently has 7:50 16in. tires along with
a fairey overdrive. The differentials are the 4.71 ratio which I thought I
might replace with the 3.54 type. Would this be worthwhile or does my engine
lack enough power and therefore cause me to be straining even going up a
slight incline? I am just trying to get the noise level down a little. After
24 yrs. I guess my ears are starting to be bothered....

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:27:59 -0500
Subject: Re: message format

Mike;     Thanks I will try it, and, yes the problem lies within AOL

Rgds,
Steve     Hope thats better

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 21:50:13 -0500
From: Michael Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: Re: Slipping ZF's

Alexander,

These ZF gearboxes are probably the same ones found in the larger BMW's, 
so the LR dealer says...  Except the oil pan is a little different...so 
possibly AMMCo or a private mechanic like Larry's import center (852 Va 
Beach Blvd 422-3295), German and British experts could do it?...Worth a 
try?
-- 
=============================================================  	 
        Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net"
       92 Range Rover   
      Graduate Student, MBA Program, Old Dominion University
      Norfolk, VA, USA  
       (804) 440-5383   
=============================================================

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 16:52:16 -1000
From: "ROGER HALL: HNL M.E. GROUP" <ROGER_H@verifone.com>
Subject: Re: Slipping ZF's

How much are they asking for that '88?

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:18:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Slipping ZF's

>>how expensive is work on the ZF

I burned the clutch on the ZF in my '89, and had a local transmission shop
rebuild it.  The transmission IS the heavy duty BMW unit, and they were very
comfortable working on it.  The cost was $820 for a complete rebuild. - Tony

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 19:20:14 -0800
Subject: Re: 	MISC.

1) Run don't walk to your nearest LR Centre and ask for the latest necktie - a 
neat wildlike collage with a great rendition of an NAS D90 in the foreground - 
in choice of AA YELLOW, PORTO RED, CONISTON GREEN, and ALPINE WHITE!! Really 
cool! Just saw first one - went for the AA YELLOW since they don't have my 
favorite - BELUGA BLACK! On those unfortunate occasions where one might have 
to don a jacket - at least the relief can be provided by one of these neat 
ties!

2) RE: CAMEL TROPHY. Rather than flame the (R. J. REYNOLDS) tobacco company - 
perhaps we should all be aware that the Camel Trophy has *LONG AGO* stopped 
promoting tobacco products. In fact, for quite a few years now, the actual 
host of this event has been WORLDWIDE BRANDS. The promotion is for CAMEL 
TROPHY GEAR - clothing, boots, watches, outerwear, etc. - in fact, all high 
quality, useful gear that many of us use in pursuit of our favorite activities 
- gettin' dirty in a Land Rover! Perhaps the argument could be made to applaud 
the considered change from tobacco to clothing by RJR. The logo of the CAMEL 
TROPHY is about all that remains. The worldwide recognition of the CAMEL 
TROPHY logo has grown universally enough that the (wise) business decision was 
made to retain this and to simply change what it stands for. So, if you are or 
are not a smoker - please continue to enjoy your individual freedom to choose 
without blowing smoke in any one else's space. Look at the CAMEL TROPHY logo 
next time and think clothes!

3) BSROA member Mark Hughes has developed a really simple and slick D90 CB 
antenna mounting bracket which mounts with the number plate lamp assembly with 
minor modifications. It looks really slick, and the coax can be routed 
*WITHOUT* drilling any new holes in the D90's skin. This piece will obviously 
work on a SERIES Landy as well... He has just done a pilot run of them and 
they are beautifully powder-coated. I will document the installation of same 
in an upcoming issue of the ROVER REFERENCE. Perhaps we will offer it for sale 
through the Club Shoppe. Any interest, please post me privately...

4) I had a chap phone me at work the other day to tell me that he had 
negotiated to purchase a used `95 Black NAS D90 w/15K miles on it (private 
sale) and felt satisfied that he was able to obtain this vehicle for *the low 
30's* w/air conditioning!!! The MSRP on this vehicle when brand new was 
30,575! Wow! If any one is looking to sell an NAS D90, do it now!

cheerz
Jim - see you in the pits

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`68 2B 110 F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:37:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Holy Rovers...(Stories for the campfire)

>>Arrgh! When I looked up, however, I was struck dumb by what I saw. An 
overpass. At the end of that, a gas station with a garage.

Rovers may break down, but they'll never leave you stranded.  In the 25 years
that I've had Lulbelle, she has has broken down or run out of gas many times,
but always, and I mean ALWAYS, with coasting distance of helpful people, a
gas station, or a freindly farm house.  And those times when she busted in
the wilderness, she's always brought me home, one way or another, under her
own power.  

Tony

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 20:42:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Adam Leigh Kitchen <lazarus@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Two questions..

	A) What is the cheapest way to get a new engine in my serII 2&1/4ltr?
 	B) I'd like a coil suspension, but I don't think I can afford 
them now. Is the only way (to do a coil conversion) to swap my series 
leaves' for a defender's coils? How about modifying my leaves for a 
smoother ride? Is that an option, and if so, how should I go about it?
Thanks,
Adam

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:07:30 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: 88 wanted

On 11 Feb 1996, William L. Leacock wrote:

snipped

> The January Roverlog had one for sale in area code 516, where is that ? 
> Regards Bill Leacock Limey in exile.

Hi Bill, 

Good to see you back on the list.  Area code 516 is on Long Island, NY. 
Only about 450 miles from you(!) One of my pet peeves is the
(dis)organization of randomly selected information in phone books, but you
should be able to find area codes listed numerically and by location in
the front somewhere between cookie baking tips and safe sex techniques. 

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:19:37 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy

On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Michael Kirk wrote:

>The Camel Trophy is NOT sponsored by the Camel cigarette company it is
>sponsored by Worldwide Brands, Inc., the marketer of Camel Trophy
>Adventuregear and clothing. 

Yes, and would anyone care to guess who in the United States owns 
Worldwide Brands?  It should not come as a great shock to anyone to 
learn that Camel Brand and Worldwide Brands are very closely related.

Rgds,

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 96 18:50:11 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: Draught after Draught

Slade wrote <snick>.. They were driving in a blinding rainstorm after having 
months of draught,....<snick>

Hey Micheal, are you sure it was the rain that was blinding them? Drinking 
draught for months can be quite heavy on the eyelids. :) <har, har, har>.

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:51:08 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Re: D130 Dormobiles????

>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> * ** * To REPLY send to: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net * ** * -bc
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>Dormobile was thought to be around 1976. Too bad, a D130 Dormobile
>conversion could be quite impressive. See ya.
>Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.
Sorry Mike, you got it all wrong. See for your self on:

http://www.attache.nl/4wdmag/feb95.htm

The picture of this Dormobile is in the middle of the article!
The LR is build by a German company Langer & Bock.
LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
                ____
      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Discovery, VG-XH-66
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#         "The Chameleon"
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
[|_/  \|_____|_/  \_|]
  ( o )        ( o )

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: Re: Holy Rovers...(Stories for the campfire)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:55:17 +0100 (MET)

> >>Arrgh! When I looked up, however, I was struck dumb by what I saw. An 
> overpass. At the end of that, a gas station with a garage.
> Rovers may break down, but they'll never leave you stranded. 

jep.
mine broke down last week right in front of a telephone box with cluth 
problems (Michael, you convinced me!!).

-- 
Franz Parzefall			 tbr1102@hpmail.lrz-muenchen.de

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: who searched for LR for a developement program ???
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:09:56 +0100 (MET)

sorry for wasting bandwith, but I don't see another way.

Several month ago there someone asked for used LR for a
developement program in Afrika, I think. I gave you
the adress of the guy from whom I bought mine. When
I phoned him this weekend, he told me, that he accidently
lost your fax and that he now has one or two apropriate
vehicals for you. If you still need one, please get in contact
with him again. His phone/fax: +49 8036 4606 (L. H"ollenrainer)

Franz
-- 
Franz Parzefall			 tbr1102@hpmail.lrz-muenchen.de

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:27:28 +0000
Subject:       Re: Two questions..

Quoting Adam Leigh Kitchen, from 11 Feb 96

> How about modifying my leaves for a smoother ride? Is that an option,
> and if so, how should I go about it?
Tip #78

Keep the old EP90 and paint the springs* with it.

If you do it once a week, every week, for a month or two then you'll be 
suprised at the travel and suppleness you can get from standard leaf 
springs.

* Paint the front bolts, both sides of the leaves, rear arm & both rear 
bolts.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scotissityness"

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