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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 96 07:28:18 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: diesel conversion

I intend to replace the 3.5 petrol engine in a 198x Rangie, with a 3.9L 
diesel. This is mainly for (a) the better range per fuel load, (b) fewer 
fiddly electrical bits <begone Lucas>, (c.) I like being anachronistic.

Besides the obvious mating of gearbox etc, does anyone see anything cockeyed 
about what I want to do? Also to you coal-burners around here, how does one 
set timing on a diesel, this is obviously<?> a mechanical relationship of 
stroke distance vs something or other.

Cheers
Matthew		S-III Yellow Peril
South-Africa 	RR 198x, still looking

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 10:31:51 +0100
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: kW

Hello,
can someone tell me how many kW a LR 88 in. SIII (Lightweight) is ?
They need it in Belgium (in addition to the 2286 cc) for the insurance. They 
told me it's probably 52 kW. Is this right ?

Thanks
Philippe Carchon (philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be)
Ghent, Belgium 

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  5 Feb 96  8:44:49 EST
Subject: Where is the Camel Trophy run this year?

I realize that this is a bit off-track, but where is the Camel Trophy doing its 
masochism act this year? I have to figure out how to transport the 
80.....oops.....8*)

      Aj"I didn't say ANYTHING....did I?"r

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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 08:10:04 EST
From: trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu (Tom Rowe)
Subject: Re: (frozen?) clutch

Joseph Broach asks:
>As I was passing by all the poor souls in our 14" of snow, the rover		
became increasingly difficult to shift. Finally it became jammed in 
>gear. Pushing the clutch has no effect. After limping home in 3-low, 

Did you check to make sure you didn't have the linkage packed with
ice? I had that happen once on mmy series in really deep snow.

Tom Rowe
UW Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI 53706	| Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
wk 608-265-6194	| in places even more inaccessible
hm 608-243-8660

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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 08:26:07 EST
From: trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu (Tom Rowe)
Subject: Re: Where the rubber meets the road

On Sun, 4 Feb 96 16:58:00 PST you wrote:
Snip
>What type of Rover, it should have a good frame out in the desert...

>Russ Burns

snip

Well Russ, you've said it all. A good frame is worth more than a load
of gold.

Tom Rowe
UW Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI 53706	| Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
wk 608-265-6194	| in places even more inaccessible
hm 608-243-8660

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 06:51:36 -0800
Subject: Re: Frame Painting -- More Questions

i believe the frame, diff housings axle housings, prop shafts, petrol tanks,
springs, etc are a flat black.  I've never seen a gloss black frame.  The
exhaust was unpainted.  The shocks were whatever colour the manufacturer made
them.  Brake lines were unpainted.  Brake backplate flat black.

TeriAnn

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 96 15:55:18 +0100
From: Igor Cerutti <igor@tinet.ch>
Subject: Re: kW

At 10,31 5.02.96 +0100, you wrote:

>can someone tell me how many kW a LR 88 in. SIII (Lightweight) is ?
>They need it in Belgium (in addition to the 2286 cc) for the insurance. They 
>told me it's probably 52 kW. Is this right ?

If your 88 SIII has a petrol engine:

compression ratio 7:1   47.8 KW (64 BHP)(65.16 HP)
compression ratio 8:1   51.5 KW (69 BHP)(70.25 HP)

If your 88 SIII has a diesel engine:

compression ratio 23.1  41.9 KW (56.2 BHP)(57.22 HP)

kind regards
------------------------------------------------------------------
Real Name       : Igor Cerutti
Address         : TINET Sagl, Centro Galleria 2, 6928 Manno-Lugano
Country         : Switzerland 
Phone Number    : ++41 91 6108118
Fax Number      : ++41 91 6108119
e-mail          : igor@tinet.ch, http://www.tinet.ch

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  5 Feb 96  9:40:57 EST
Subject: -15F this morning....

Driving a Rover really stinks when the steering damper turns into a glue 
pot.....8*)

    ajr

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 09:40:43 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Frame Painting -- More Questions

TeriAnn writes:
> i believe the frame, diff housings axle housings, prop shafts, petrol tanks,
 springs, etc are a flat black.  I've never seen a gloss black frame.  The
 exhaust was unpainted.  The shocks were whatever colour the manufacturer made
> them.  Brake lines were unpainted.  Brake backplate flat black.
 
The frame on my Lightweight is gloss black under the thick layer of 
NATO goo. My Rancho shocks I painted flat black and put on black 
boots because somehow the white & red didn't go with the overall camo 
scheme.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 10:39:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: -15F this morning

> Driving a Rover really stinks when the steering damper turns into a glue 
> pot.....8*)

    You have a Series Rover and it still has oil in the damper?!?!? 
    Those crafty Land Rovers try to fix the above problem themselves by
    getting rid of all that potential molasses during the summer
    months...

    Duncan

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Subject: Re: Where the rubber meets the road 
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 11:16:26 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

    Russ writes:
    >What type of Rover, it should have a good frame out in the desert...
    
Tome Rowe writes:
> Well Russ, you've said it all. A good frame is worth more than a load
>   of gold.
    

Well, there are other problems that have been discovered in the older, 
unrusted frames of desert L-Rs, (usually not privledged to have lived
on-road):

	fatigue cracking of the frame

ref: LRO Int'l Magazine, about two years ago.

	Cheers,
	-B

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From: asd1@ukc.ac.uk
Subject: 2.8l ignition module ????
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 16:18:08 gmt

	Did someone want a 2.8l Granada ignition module ??

	If so I've got one from an old conversion, if whoever wants it gives
us a bell they can have it ( no charge ).

	ASD
asd1@ukc.ac.uk

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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 08:29:34 -0800
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: magazine spam

John Y. Liu wrote:

> OK, fellow LRO's, I know it's usually better to ignore spam, but please
> listen for a second(snip)
> But I tried Whois and could not identify the domain "uvr.edu".

This is because Kevin Jay Lipsitz, a.k.a. "Krazy Kev", who is behind 
these spams, spoofs the originating address of these messages. You will 
never find that any of these senders are real. Let me once again draw the 
attention of everyone who's interested to the Blacklist of Internet 
Advertisers at http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~cbrown/BL/. This describes 
this spam (and, sadly, many others.)

If you don't have access to the Web, e-mail me and I'll forward the 
blacklist to you.

-- 
Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 Discovery V8i

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:30:09 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Mike Rooth Scores in LRO!

>Of course, HE won't tell us thics, but he's got a "Handy Rover Tip" box in the
>Letters section of January's LRO!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Letters section of January's LRO!
>Congrats, Mike - You've hit the big time!   8*)
Yeah,good try,but no cigar.There was a *much* better tip on checking the
valve timing on a 2.25 diesel,that month:-(
What pissed *me* off,was that this months prize tip was on how to clean
your knobs........should,ve waited I suppose.Not that I was trying for
any reward,you understand.But personally I prefer my red and yellow knobs
to be a little subdued.Bit garish otherwise.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:39:23 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Mike Rooth Scores in LRO!

>On 4 Feb 1996, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
>> Of course, HE won't tell us thics, but he's got a "Handy Rover Tip" box
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>        Mike is too busy outfitting the ex-RAF 101 for the Camel Trophy run
>        to worry about articles in LRO...  :-)

Yeah,tough job.The lathe,drill press,miller etc fit OK,but its the brick
chimney of the forge that worries me,and where to put the anvil.......

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:50:13 GMT
From: newconcept@tcp.co.uk (David Olley at NEW CONCEPT)
Subject: Re: Where is the Camel Trophy run this year?

> where is the Camel Trophy doing its masochism act this year? I have to
figure out how to transport the 80.....oops.....8*)

INDONESIA

Too far to take an 80, don't you think?
David Olley
............................................................................
.........
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
............................................................................
.........

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 13:01:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@synapse.net>
Subject: Re: Where the rubber meets the road

At 08:26 AM 2/5/96 EST, Tom Rowe, wrote
>Well Russ, you've said it all. A good frame is worth more than a load
>of gold.

This is beginning to sound like one of those unanswerable ethics questions.
Just what would you do if you found an abandoned, cracked frame, Land Rover
sitting out in the middle of bugger all with a load of gold and you could
only save one or the other?  Save the LR, or the gold?

			Rick Grant

rgrant@synapse.net			1959, 88" SII
Ottawa, Canada

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 96 13:33:50 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: D90 Swaybar Removal

Hi all,

O.K. I admit it! Curiosity finally got the better of me and I removed the 
front and rear swaybars from my D90 Saturday. The suspension definitely 
moves better, and the ride is smoother, not as harsh. Around town there is 
no difference in stability. On highway and cornering at speed I can't 
really notice any difference other than an "ever so slight" increase in 
body roll. I think the fact that I have the OME HD suspension and gas 
shocks is the reason why. There would probably be a bigger difference with 
vehicles that have stock springs and shocks.

I tried to measure the wheel travel before and after the swaybar removal 
but this proved to be harder than I thought. I do know that when we jacked 
a wheel up the same distance without the swaybar  opposite wheel stayed on 
the ground instead of lifting. I am going to run some trails here where I 
know I always lifted wheels and check it out!

Cheers,
Barnett
Childress
95 D90

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From: Alan Richer <Alan_Richer.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  5 Feb 96 13:59:41 EST
Subject: Re: Where is the Camel Trophy run this year?

>> where is the Camel Trophy doing its masochism act this year? I have to
>figure out how to transport the 80.....oops.....8*)

>INDONESIA

>Too far to take an 80, don't you think?
>David Olley

NEver too far - as a matter of fact, I planned for it.

It's got the optional Guinness-based Sea Rover conversion, having a CO2 system 
and its piping and the mountings for 10 Guinness kegs up both sides.

These have 2 uses:

1) Floatation to get there:

and 2). Drinking water (chuckle) supplies when enroute.

The brass taps are a personally-added option, though. I liked them....

     ajr

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 11:28:53 -0800
From: russ burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Where the rubber meets the road

Hell, 
fix the frame, dip it in gold for rust protection.
Russ
>This is beginning to sound like one of those unanswerable ethics questions.
>Just what would you do if you found an abandoned, cracked frame, Land Rover
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
>rgrant@synapse.net			1959, 88" SII
>Ottawa, Canada
Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451

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From: Paul Cooper <paul.c.cooper@carney.ftech.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Billings UK show
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 20:56:48 -0000

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With regards to locating B&B's

The local Police station is required to carry a list of all registered =
B&B's, Hotel's & Inn's so if you really get stuck you can ask them. I =
have in the past and found them very help full.

Paul
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From: 	Wdcockey@aol.com[SMTP:Wdcockey@aol.com]
Sent: 	05 February 1996 01:36
Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
Subject: 	Re: Billings UK show

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
 * ** * To REPLY send to: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net * ** * -bc

Billing '96 Info (from February '96 LRO magazine, p. 16):
July 19-21, 1996
Camping available Thursday/Friday/Daturday nights.
Fee for camping is 30# for 3 nights, LRO subscribers and 33# for 3 =
nights,
others.
Address to return booking form to is LRO (Billing '96), Anglian House, =
Chapel
Lane, Botesdale, Diss, Norfolk IP22 1DT.
Site is Billing Aquadrome, Northampton.

According to '95 A to Z Road Atlas Billing Aquadrome is just south of =
Great
Billing and Little Billing, east of the city of Northampton. Northampton =
is
less than two hours north of London east of the M1.

Billing Show is run by the former LRO mag. staff, not the current staff. =
A UK
phone number to try is: 01379 890056 Fax: 01379 898244. From US drop =
leading
0 and dial 011 44 UK number.

I understand the camping fills up quickly, and the booking form has been =
in
the hands of LRO subscribers for several weeks now, so timely action is
appropriate. Prehaps a phone call or fax would be in order.

An alternative to camping is a B&B, usually in the 15#-18#/night. Our
technique in Britain has been to look for signs if front of houses, or =
in a
"tourist" area visit the local Tourist Info center. We've never used one =
of
the directories, and my impression is that many that make the =
directories are
more "inns" than homes.

David Cockey

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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 15:27:03 -0500
From: Michael Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: Re: D90 Swaybar Removal

FYI

My 92 RR came without sway bars...never felt the need for them.....

Michael Kirk

92 RR

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:25:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Looking for 88"

Ned;  Hi... where in NY are you????I am near Albany...Have a 72 series lll
may possibly be for sale in the near future...excellent condition...only use
it a couple times a year...Green/white with  tropical roof/Overdrive probably
will be asking around $ 12,000 if and when I do decide to sell it.
 Rgds....Steve

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 16:02:18 -0500
Subject: Re: re:re:frozen clutch

>>how I can change gears in my series land rover if the clutch is not
releasing

Easy as pie.  Accelerate in gear and back off the trottle when you reach the
shift point.  You should have no load on the gear box, braking or driving.
 Glide the lever into neutral (it'll slip out like it was greased), and then
lower your rpm's (if your up shifting) or gently increase rpm's (if your down
shifting) while you put gentle pressure on the shifter towards the gear you
want.  When the rpm's match (drive train side to engine side), BINGO, it just
slips in with almost no force what so ever.  The trick is matching the rpm's.
 With a little practice you won't even think about it and will never grind
the gears.

Actually, the real trick is idling (you can't).  So driving through town is a
process of timing lights, learning how to start your car in gear, remembering
to turn your ignition off when you come to a stop and downshifting into 1st
before you do, and, of course, parking smart.  

Try it out, even if you have a clutch.  It's easier in the higher gears and
tougher making that big jump in and out of 1st.

Tony

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From: "Boehme, Doug" <boehmed@iscg.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 15:44:00 PST

I live in the Philadelphia area and I was wondering if
anyone knew of some nearby areas to go off-roading.
There's an abandoned sanitarium that is nearby but
it's pretty creepy there...

Thanks,

Douglas J. Boehme
boehmed@iscg.com
Red '95 D90 #2767  

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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 16:38:49 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Where is the Camel Trophy run this year?

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
 * ** * To REPLY send to: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net * ** * -bc

I realize that this is a bit off-track, but where is the Camel Trophy doing its 
masochism act this year? I have to figure out how to transport the 
80.....oops.....8*)

      Aj"I didn't say ANYTHING....did I?"r

You might just win the coveted "Towball Award" if you pull that one off!

Dave B.

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 14:23:23 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: Where the rubber meets the road

On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, russ burns wrote:
yes but now all the WEIGHT whiners will be upset---just sell the gold and
buy a RANGE ROVER! if you have any left you can fix up your antique! > 
> Hell, 
> fix the frame, dip it in gold for rust protection.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> Russ Burns
> cisco/Ford
> 313-317-0451

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 15:48:22 GMT -0600
Subject: speed shifting

Tony writes:
Snip
"Try it out, even if you have a clutch.  It's easier in the higher gears and
tougher making that big jump in and out of 1st."

Yep. I learned back in high school. I drove an IH Travelall and the 
clutch lever arm broke several times
That's when I learned to drive without a clutch. That IH granny gear really 
came in handy. If the engine was warm I could start the engine in first, uphill.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: HalatGRM@aol.com
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 17:14:01 -0500
Subject: ARB Air Lockers

Anybody have any experience with ARB Air Locker diffs for the Discovery?
 Prices, performance, problems?  Sorry if it's been discussed lately...

Hal
'96 Discovery

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