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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 22:43:55 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: Cortege, S-III

Did anyone see the vehicle used to convey the body of the late King of Lesotho 
along the mourners route?

Twas a green S-III, I believe

Now if he had been driving the S-III to check on his cattle, maybe Lesotho 
would still have their king.

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 07:21:40 -0500
Subject: Disco check engine lights

For the third time in three months of ownership the "Check engine"
light came on in my Disco. I had to drive about 15 more miles before 
I parked it for about 6 hours. Then when I started it the "Check 
Engine" light was no longer on. I was under the impression that once 
on the light would not go out unless it was "Reset." I don't have a 
shop manual yet and the dealer seems confused on this subject. Any 
words of wisdom? (The bulb is not burned out.) 

--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:07:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Removing SIIA sidelights...

 LR uses the term  "side head" as the designation for those small white lamps
mounted on the wings , not sidelights which are as you stated above rear
windows or Alpine windows.                              Rgds, Steve Bradke

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:32:16
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Rangie rancor and Series senility

To those of you who feel prone to exacerbating the dichotomy between youth 
and beauty vs. age and wisdom as it applies specifically to LAND ROVER 
products should keep the following in mind; a truth I stumbled upon during my 
infamous 'Volvo Period':
	Keep yourself informed regarding the new model's engineering and 
capabilities because twenty years down the road, when you can finally afford 
one, it's what you'll be driving.
	In other words pay attention to where the current owners are stashing 
their Grey Poupon containers 'cause someday you'll probably have to figure 
out how to remove that high-lift jack that rusted in place on the tailgate 
or to un-ass the warmed-over GM crap they call an engine.
	And you current owners better be nice cause it's the Series owner 
who'll be writing you a check for your old one when it's time to buy that 
shiny new Range Rover that you can't wait to accessorize. 
Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:17:12 -0500
From: Michael Kirk <michaelk@infi.net>
Subject: 1 is not enough......

Looking for a 2nd Range Rover (90 or older) to complement my 92 RR.
Preferably in the eastern United States.

Michael Kirk
92 RR

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 08:14:17 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Steering Wobble

Chris sez...

>My '69 SRIIa 88" SW has developed a bit of shaking in the steering at high
>highway speeds (55-60mph). When I turn the wheel it seems to go away, but
>soon returns. Is this a steering shock, worn swivel pins, need of toe
>adjustment, wheel balancing? Where do I start.
-

Death Wobble! Where do you start? Check it all out. Have someone sit in the
cab and turn the steering wheel slowly left and right while you get
underneath and look at all the track-rod ends. If you have excessive play in
any, you'll see it. Next, jack up one front wheel and try rocking it - top
to bottom will show play in the swivel ball mountings, side to side will
give you a better indication of just wheel bearings. If you can't find
anything else, check the alignment. Wacked any curbs lately? You could have
an allignment problem, or even a bent rim. Or even a wheel out of balance.

Cheers
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:16:10 -0500
Subject: Re: ADM & ethanol/methanol (ETBE/MTBE)

In a message dated 96-01-26 23:55:51 EST, you write:

>My understanding of ethanol blended fuel is that it reallty isn't a 
>problem EXCEPT when you run it in vehicles that have been running 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>suggest a complete cleaning of your fuel tank to giet rid of the 
>worst buid up.

To just add a point to this, the alcohol fuels like methanol and ethanol are
very corrosive compared to straight gasoline, they haave  a great affinity to
attract water/moisture.  These fuels also eat conventional rubberized fuel
lines pretty well if run in high enough concentration, that's why you are
supposed to check your fuel system for leaks after switching to the fuel, all
the fuel line with rubber joints like at fuel pumps and carbs could start to
leak quickly.   I think the theory was that gasahol (gas plus 10% ethanol)
was dilute enough to avoid these problems in most cases.  Anyone have the
sames problems with gasahol as you are having with the oxygentated fuels?

All the injection parts for methanol and ethanol fueled cars are specially
coated or made from special material to withstand this attack.  Ford had a
horrendous trouble with the rubber diaphrams in their FFV (flexible fuel
vehicle: can run on gas, methanol, or any mix, an optical sensor in the fule
line tells the ECU what fuel, and hence, waht mixture to run)  fuel pumps,
they would split and fall away from their mounting inside, and needed
replacement.  

I know the oxygenated fuels aren't specifiacally methanol and ethanol, but
the addivitves are from teh same stock as I understand it, and it was felt
that the concentration used was low enough to avoid the associated problems.
 Sure are a lot of people claiming it HAS affected them.  When EPA was put on
the spot, they sure didn't stick up for themselves, at least from what I
heard.  Very bad.   It also didn't sound like they did enough vehicle testing
to provide data that your problems don't exist.  (huh?)  In the emissions
lab, these fuels do work, however, generally giving most cars a sizeable (for
the effort)  reduction in the 3 criteria pollutants (HC, CO, and NOx).  And
the big benefit was supposed to be that it was a way to affect ALL cars on
the road in one fell swoop. It would require no effort on the vehicle owners
part.  Oooops.  Sounds like it does require some work on our part.  

I will say, that I've never experienced a problem with lab cars running on
these fuels.  And I've used the latest blend from California, which is of
course oxygenated, MTBE-style (Cal wanted open competition, by the way, on
the oxy-issue, CARB sent a nasty letter to EPA after they came out with their
vote for the one over the other.)  Maybe no problems because these were newer
cars, fuel injected.   But not because I didn't run enough fuel through them,
they would run for at least 6,000 miles, some I even put 20,000 miles on, a
Ford Pickup F100 I remember specifically.  I'm not saying there is no
problem, I don't know, I wasn't looking for vehicle reliability issues,
solely emissions.  But, I certainly would've had to deal with any fuel system
problems like leaks, and I most definately would have noticed ANY fuel system
degradation in the form of increased emissions (generally HC if an injector
tip corrodes or hangs up , for example. )

I'll be interested to see results of more testing.  So far, it appears that
any  lab work and the real life are showing disparate results, aye?  Sorry
about your experiences so far, seems we  apparently are somewhat of guinea
pigs in this large scheme.

JOhn. 94 D90, WiscoRover
( I don't work thar no mo' )

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 09:58:11 -0800
From: russ burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Disco check engine lights

My D-90 has the same issue. The delaer has replaced fuses, relays, ECU,
and other misc items. It still will come on occasionaly.
I now think the problem may be in the distributer area.
good luck.

Russ Burns
91 R-Rover
94 D-90

At 07:21 AM 1/27/96 -0500, Gerald wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>For the third time in three months of ownership the "Check engine"
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
>Gerald
>Massachusetts, U.S.
>g@ix.netcom.com
Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:17:30 -0700
From: Insoo Bay <insoo@ceramatec.com>

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 10:26:50 -0800
From: russ burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Lists, and owners

You know, I like Land Rovers. I like series ones, twos, threes, discos
new,and old Range Rovers, Discos, and D-90. Regardless of how much they
cost, or who the a%^holes is behind the wheel, they are still the toughest
trucks built... 

I even like some of the people who drive land rovers.
I get a kick out of those boys from Georgia, who drink, drive, hang 
onto here cougars (whatever) while driving rovers. 

Then there are the gent's from north of the border. The ones whose mud does
not stink, but the beer does, and after a couple of days on the trail they
both are 
interchangeable.
 
The Few I have met from the Midwest are still trying to
figure out just what a land rover does, but really like their Rovers.
The folks on the West Coast are great, as long as you can keep them out
outside. (not quite house broken)

In the Northeast, Rover folks are so friendly that they will actually smile
and wave once in a while. (pretty damn good for a nor easter)

Now out in the Rockies they just smile rather sheepishly, and proceed to 
drive their Rovers off the edge of the earth, wondering if they should
have fixed the brakes before starting...

The point is who the hell cares what one makes, drives, drinks, fixes,
makes love to, or put on their sandwich...

If they drive a Land Rover, they can't be all that bad. If you can offer
them some assistance on their path, then do so. If not, just smile
wave, and wish them the best of luck.

Russ Burns
91 R-rover
94 D-90
95 D90 SW (on order)
Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:30:16 -0700
From: Insoo Bay <insoo@ceramatec.com>

get lro-digest 0156
get lro-digest 013696
get lro-digest 012696

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:31:07 -0700
From: Insoo Bay <insoo@ceramatec.com>

get lro-digest 012696

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:33:52 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: RR fuel tanks

Just read a short piece in a recent issue of AUTOCAR that fuel tanks and
lines for old (Classic) Range Rovers are out of stock in Britain and
Solihull claiming not to know when fresh supplies are coming.

Jeff Kesler
1988 Range Rover (still have not replaced my tank)
Newport New Hampshire
603-863-7883

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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 03:14:16 +0800
From: Oscar <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: 1/27 digest

Could someone please forward the conplete digest of 1/27.  Out of the 80
submissions I only got until 20 or 21.

TIA

Oscar
omont@mnl.sequel.net
75247.2423@compuserve.com

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:37:38 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Opening beer bottles

> Erm am I missing something here, but are you all talking about opening
> beer bottles (& drinking from them) whilst driving?

I did make a joke about blocking ones vision whilst opening a beer bottle on 
the roof bolts.  But it was just a joke!

Personally, I think being shot is too good for those who DUI of anything.  
(My mom had a car totalled by a guy hopped up on heroin, and my girlfriend's 
car got smashed up by a drunk on her birthday!  Luckily, no one was hurt in 
either case.)  Drunk drivers should be sold to demolition derbys as bonus 
points.

Hopefully, all LRO's are responsible enough to know better than to drive when 
their senses are impaired, either on or off road!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:37:29 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Please delete my Name

>  The things you have to put up with to get a Land Rover....

> >Please delete my name from your mailing list. I have broken
> >up with my boyfriend who I gave the info to.

I can't decide if it's sad because she broke up with an LRO (who can't be 
*all* bad), or if it's good because he didn't even have net access, or is it 
maybe an opportunity, even a cry for help, for another LRO to soothe the 
emotional scars left by a callous ex-boyfriend who is probably a Ford 
Explorer owner at heart?

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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From: Graeme Wright <graeme.@vikta.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:56:22 +0000
Subject: Quad Bikes

Does anybody know if 4-wheel drive quad bikes are road legal in the UK or if they have to be registered to farms. I have seen some with lights and number plates. 
I first got into motorbikes via motorcross and now I'm 
older I'm still spinning in the mud but in a Land Rover. So I'd like to get the best of both worlds, hence the 4-wheel drive quad.
I'd appreciate any information you can give me.

Graeme

[/]   ___            [/]
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:14:29 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Two Lists

My two cents worth:

First, I'm against splitting the list at the present time. 

But...

In an ideal world, we have something like this:

LRO

LRO-Series-Tech
LRO-Def-Tech
LRO-RR-Tech
LRO-Disco-Tech

LRO-Here
LRO-There
LRO-Somewhere-else

The first would be general discussion of LR stuff.  Movie sightings, 
trivia, 
press releases, camping, GPS, etc.  

The next four would be stuff specific to each particular line (like 
squeeky 
steering wheels on discos, or RR Recall gas tanks or which carb for a 
2.25l 
petrol).  

And the last three would be local lists, like the UK list, SA list, 
etc.

*BUT* the most important part of something like this, would be making 
sure 
messages ended up on the appropriate list.  

This, of course, means we'd all need someone to handle the lists and 
such.  
(If I ever get my server up and running with a decent connection, I'd 
do it, 
but I'm not sure that's going to happen with the passing of my mother. 
 
Anybody want to set up a linux box & 56K FR connection for me?)

In a perfect world, we could also set up lists like for LR toy 
collectors 
too. 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being 
mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen 
know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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From: Sekerere@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:42:36 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

what happened to today's list-only got about 15 of the 60 or so messages?? Is
this in sympathy with Lucas!!!!!!????? Hopefully we'll get rid of the Costa
Rica drivel in the next few days-Once he gets back can we then e-mail him the
last months worth of digests over and over again???

Cheers

Chris

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From: William Terry <wterry@sartre.minerva.bah.com>
Subject: lists split
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:53:33 -0500 (EST)

Besides the ribbing, I haven't noticed that list split suggestions have anything to do with animosity.

I've seen one suggestion to scan the subject and read only what is of interest. This is ok if you're on the interactive list, but for those of us who only joined after the interatcive list was closed, it's not very useful. I can't use a mail filter to sort my Land-Rover mail by subject. I'm stuck with the digest, which has been running in the 3000 line range lately. This means scanning it visually, which is time consuming.

My suggestion is for the creation of a number of lists. One for Series tech discussions. One for post-Series tech discussion. And one for general enthusiast discussions, like trip reports, a funny thing happened to me on the way to the forum, beer opening, events.... The last being for general discourse for all those inflicted with Land-Roveritis. I'm a Series owner and I don't want the post-Series tech traffic, but I don't want to lose the comraderie of other LR nuts just because I tune my engine differently tha some others.

I personally would sub to the Series tech and the enthusiast list, but someone who wants it all could get all three.

Ok, I forgot the Sea-Rover tech list ;-)

Happy Rovering, Bill

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From: BDaviscar@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:39:44 -0500
Subject: Altinator Question

Alan
in your message about altinators wrote this

"Now, trim the small red wire to reach the fusebox with slack to spare and
solder/crimp on a quick-connect lug to fit the fusebox. On a Series IIa,
attach the lead to the bottom fuse (unswitched power). This will allow the
alternator to sense voltage drop in the system and correct its output as
needed. 

The other two leads need to go through the grommet the harness goes through
into the dashboard. Drop the dashboard and locate the wires connected to the
ammeter and the dynamo warning light. The output of the dynamo control box
ran directly to one side of the ammeter,"

This means that if your new alternator is a 40 amp one.  your running all the
output current through the ampmeter is this right?

Why not take the altinator output and run it right to the battery?
This will still work but will not run everything though the ampmeter.  If I
am wrong please tell me as this is more or less how mine is wired. I would
like to stop any proplems be for the "smoke show".

Thanks

Bruce  Chicago
67 SIIA 88 Patches

P.S.  A altinator for a 75 delta 88 is also good. 

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 96 22:56:24 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Lists, and owners

Agree with you 100000 %

----------
From:  russ burns
Sent:  Saturday, January 27, 1996 1:27 PM
Subject:  Lists, and owners

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

You know, I like Land Rovers. I like series ones, twos, threes, discos
new,and old Range Rovers, Discos, and D-90. Regardless of how much they
cost, or who the a%^holes is behind the wheel, they are still the toughest
trucks built... 

I even like some of the people who drive land rovers.
I get a kick out of those boys from Georgia, who drink, drive, hang 
onto here cougars (whatever) while driving rovers. 

Then there are the gent's from north of the border. The ones whose mud does
not stink, but the beer does, and after a couple of days on the trail they
both are 
interchangeable.
 
The Few I have met from the Midwest are still trying to
figure out just what a land rover does, but really like their Rovers.
The folks on the West Coast are great, as long as you can keep them out
outside. (not quite house broken)

In the Northeast, Rover folks are so friendly that they will actually smile
and wave once in a while. (pretty damn good for a nor easter)

Now out in the Rockies they just smile rather sheepishly, and proceed to 
drive their Rovers off the edge of the earth, wondering if they should
have fixed the brakes before starting...

The point is who the hell cares what one makes, drives, drinks, fixes,
makes love to, or put on their sandwich...

If they drive a Land Rover, they can't be all that bad. If you can offer
them some assistance on their path, then do so. If not, just smile
wave, and wish them the best of luck.

Russ Burns
91 R-rover
94 D-90
95 D90 SW (on order)
Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 11:16:01 -0500
From: michal19@netquandry.net (Michal Hirschberger)
Subject: FAQ 19 / *STOP*......... before you buy another over-priced USA magazine at the

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They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I
haved moved from one country to another.

They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from
a special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA.   They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.

They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 45 or 46 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a
charge for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie
subs) that varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to
be very friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address change
when I moved from one country to another.

The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls
you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes
he has one of his assistants call.  He is kind of quirky sometimes - he
insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I
sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!),  but you can place future
orders (after your first order) via E-mail.

He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live overseas,
he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he
still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long
distance rates are cheaper then.

He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up, they had
a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately
when you call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective new
members  the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
their staff.  I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above
form to them, that is the way to get started!

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.

They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what
he sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.

Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.

Sincerely,

Michal Hirschberger

ps.  please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net
who you think might be interested in it!  It is a great deal!  If you join
and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for
each new person you get to join after you join!   If you exceed 25
referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas,
Chanukah or any other occasion.  Please be kind enough to mention my name
when you join.   I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring
you.
Thank you.

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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 00:26:57 GMT
From: newconcept@tcp.co.uk (David Olley at NEW CONCEPT)
Subject: Re: 109 towing

>road(unbraked).............................500kg

>I'm surprised about the lower road load unbraked, I assume it's 
>because they assume you're going slower off pavement.

This has nothing to do with off road use, Tom.

It would be a little unfair to expect the brakes of a 109 to be able to cope
with more than an additional 500 kg mass without some assistance from behind!

Very few trailers are unbraked, but, in the UK at least, many are. Small
goods trailers are rarely equipped with brakes. My trailer has a goods
capacity of 500 kgs and the 88" handles this well. Anything over this really
should have overrun brakes, which keep the majority of the braking effort
from the Landy's brakes.

David Olley
............................................................................
.........
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
............................................................................
.........

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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 96 02:18:48 +0100
From: sm095re@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Kurt Reinhardt)
Subject: digest required

Hi folks out there, due to unknwn problems the digest of 27th was not
complete and the get..... command to majordomo did not give the complete
one. SO it would be nice if anyone would push the forward button in his
mailer. As this is independent from Series and plushmobile content, it would
be as easy as deleting the unpleasant mails :-)))
Thanks to all
regards Kurt
88 Range Rover 2 door diesel 

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From: steve willey <steve.willey@attws.com>
Subject: RR '90 NAS: Rear Brake Light Wiring
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:12:26 -0800

Rover Folk,
My third brake light (centre; immediately above the release for the =
upper tailgate) does not light. 

After rooting around the wiring behind the right rear tail lamp assembly =
and above the headliner in the right rear corner I have a suspect.  =
There is a mysterious black shrink tube sealed 'thing" that is in-line =
with the wires going to the upper tailgate that lives above the =
headliner in the right rear corner.  This oblong black thing has four =
wires going in, four wires going out, and a short lead that that goes =
directly to the body of the car.  The thing has a white label with "RPC =
1289" printed on it and on the opposite side is 'branded' with "34 89" =
(constructed 34th week of '89?). 

Three of the four wires; black (ground/earth), pink (tailgate common =
locking), and orange (also, tailgate common locking) have continuity =
through the thing, green/purple (brake lights) does not.  I'm guessing =
this is the problem. 

So, the grand prize question is: Should we split the list?  No.  Just =
kidding.  The question is what is this thing and should it be passing =
the current for the brake lights unobstructed? 

I have not (yet?) forked over the dough for the shop manual and the =
electrical manual (about 180 US$ each, I believe) and would very much =
appreciate the help of anyone who has or who knows what this thing is =
and if it is broken. 

Cheers,
Steve

Steve Willey
steve.willey@attws.com
Architectural Engineer
AT&T Wireless Services
Kirkland, WA, USA
206.803.7693	206.419.8044	fax: 206.803.7407

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:46:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Rangie rancor and Series senility

In a message dated 96-01-27 09:50:44 EST, you write:

>	And you current owners better be nice cause it's the Series owner 
>who'll be writing you a check for your old one when it's time to buy that 
>shiny new Range Rover that you can't wait to accessorize. 
>Bill Adams

Touche Bill.

John.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:46:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Disco/Defender  check engine lights

In a message dated 96-01-27 13:15:22 EST, you write:
>My D-90 has the same issue. The dealer has replaced fuses, relays, ECU,
>and other misc items. It still will come on occasionaly.
>I now think the problem may be in the distributer area.
>good luck.
Gerald wrote:
>>For the third time in three months of ownership the "Check engine"

FWIW (for what it's worth), my 94d90 check engine light is currently on, and
came on once before.  First time was an idle air control valve "out of
range."  I assume the current light cause is the same.  The valve worked fine
when Senior Dealer reset the code. It just went "out of range" briefly and
was functioning OK. 

 And someone made a post about their Disco check eng. light going off after
another start.  If the light comes on due to an emissions related problem
(primarilly the only reason that specific light will come on), the dealer
needs to reset the code.  (or get a code reader that plugs in to the port and
do it yourself.)  If the light goes out on its own accord, I wouldn't suspect
the ECU, but the wiring between the the two?  The check engine light is not
supposed to go off (once on) by itself.  If on, it means something needs
attention, or something malfunctioned, at best briefly, as in my case.     

John. WiscoRover

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:46:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Lists, and owners

In a message dated 96-01-27 13:43:51 EST, you write:

>The Few I have met from the Midwest are still trying to
>figure out just what a land rover does, but really like their Rovers.

Ha.  You've got my number  Mr. Burns.  Of course it is through no fault of
the midwestern owners, it is just that there aint no hills here. I have to
learn elsewhere.   However, we just got hit hard with a foot of snow, and I
was undaunted (nary a daunt {The Tarriers anyone??})  and in fact pulled many
folks out of their snowplow induced entombed parking spaces with the  D90 and
a $15.00 Tow Strap.  

"What kind of a jeep is that thing?  Do you know your hood is ajar?   I
didn't think you could pull me out at first, but then...WOW.  Thanks, see you
later.   Can I buy you an espresso or latte? " 

John, WiscoRover
94 D90, Madtown, WI.   19degF
(had the A/C on the whole time.)

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 22:46:45
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Fun in Baltimore!

	While this has little to do with Rover lore, I thought I'd throw it in 
for the hell of it. 
	Went to the annual motorcycle show at the Convention center today and 
had a hoot checking out the 2 wheelers.Highlights:
	1. Boss Hogs: Chevy 350 V8 powered Harley Davidsons. They're WIDE. 0-50 
in 1.25 seconds (if you dare). Big radiator out front with thermo fans and a 
rear tire that's a P275-50VR 17. Unreal. prices start at $22,000. with 
sidecar $26,000.
	2. Ural motorcycles from Russia (with love). Look like BMW ripoffs from 
the 1960's.Boxer engine 650cc, drum brakes and SHAFT drive!Ironing board 
seat. One model of interest to Rover fans:
Military green sidecar model built for off-roading. Low gears(top speed 65) 
and a DRIVEN wheel on the sidehack.Huge Knobbys. The promo vid showed two 
hearty souls in the snow tearing it up and even doing some wading. Big honkin 
boot in the sidecar and side mount fuel can carrier. $7995 plus freight. Oh 
BTW it has Reverse gear!
	3. Jap bikes imitating Harleys that imitate themselves from the 50's.
Yamaha Royal Star is BIGGER than a Harley Electra Glide.
	4.1985 Yamaha Virago 700 that sits in my basement is IDENTICAL to the 
1996 on display for $7900. I paid 1600 two months ago and its almost new-only 
12K on the odo. Inflation.
	5. People spending tens of thousands of dollars customizing a bike that 
they can't hope to sell for half what they put in. This activity is 
pointless.
	6. 1938 Indian Chief. No question, this is what a motorcycle should be.
	7. The usual Baltimore walking freak show. Hey,I was there so I guess 
that makes me one too.  
Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 Land Rover S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:50:33 -0800
Subject: Krazy Kev gets spamed!

I just sent our friendly spamer 50 copies of his magazine add.  If you want
to play to, copy the spam, rename the subject and send a jillion copies to:
     krazykev@kjl.com

TeriAnn

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:12:41 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: Disco/Defender  check engine lights

At 09:46 PM 1/27/96 -0500, you wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>In a message dated 96-01-27 13:15:22 EST, you write:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)]
>supposed to go off (once on) by itself.  If on, it means something needs
>attention, or something malfunctioned, at best briefly, as in my case.     
>John. WiscoRover
Starting with 1996 model year autos, the computer and sensors that cause the
check engine light to come on should be being on a LOT more often.   It is
called something like "ORD II", I can not remember exactly now.  But what it
is is the second stage of onboard diagnostic of emission related areas and
instead of lighting up when a reading is out of spec, you will now be warned
when a reading is starting to head toward being out of spec.

So expect to see check engine lights on more.  Dealers and the manufacturers
are concerned with how customers will react to check engine lights lighting
up a LOT more.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover (with EFI light on since I bought it, may have it checked
when      I get the fuel tank replaced)
Newport New Hampshire
603-863-7883

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From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:25:42 -0500
Subject: Mark's Adapter's in Australia

After much help and after enlisting the help of Web-Crawler, I have found the
WWW page for Mark's adapters in Australia.  They have a very thorough web
page with all the info on conversions for both Series vehicles and the Range
Rover.   The WWW address is;  <http://www.ozemail.com.au/tilde(the symbol,
not the word)marks4wd/>   Mark's adapters are distributed in the US by
Advance Adapters in CA.  The WWW page is more helpful than the folks at
Advance Adapters, mostly because they don't get many calls about Rover
conversions.
     Thanks again to all who pointed me in the right direction.  The
Australian 4WD page is also quite nice at;
<http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/4WD.html>  They have a like to another page re:
Land Rover engine conversions in general.  I'll let you all know if I convert
to the Chevy and, if so, how it turns out!
Cheers!  John Cassidy    Bangor, Maine 

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 20:48:09 -0800
Subject: Whats been bothering me

North America specific no technical content follows

-- Following is pure nostalgia with a liberal dash of feeling sorry that the
good 'ol days are gone for good  --- 

Please,   if you might flame,   delete now before reading

--------------------------------------------------
I was looking through a copy of a Land Rover club newsletter this afternoon
and I suddenly flashed on what's been bothering me about Roverdom.  It ain't
what it used to be in North America and being a grouchy ol'lady long time
series owner, I didn't particularly want it to change.   

When Rover left North America, we were placed in a unchanging (except for
entropy) time capsule.

Up until very recently, if two Land Rovers passed, the drivers waved like mad
and often stopped to say hi and look at each other's cars.  When multiple
Land Rovers met, they looked like the same kind of car but every one was
uniquely different.  People would chat about the same parts.  We belonged
together by virtue of interchangeable parts and the same types of problems
and joys.  On an offroading trip the Land Rovers all looked similar.  People
sweated the same problems.

Then, in the last couple of years they sold more Discoverys than they sold
old & new (Defender) series cars from 1951 to date combined.  Range Rovers
became in cars and I see 4 to 10 in an average work commute.  And it looks
like the series cars will soon be the rare odd looking car in a group of
Rover 4X4s.

Suddenly Land Rovers look about as much alike as Jeeps and Land Cruisers.
 There are probably More Land Rover owners that don't know what a series Land
Rover looks like than do.

And those who do and want to off road them have almost no parts in common
with the series owners (except the new ones (Defenders)).  While we have been
nursing along aging cars, they are on warrantee and worry about getting
scratches; getting water on the carpet and how deep can they wade before
getting the ECU (whatever that is) wet.

Except for the logo, series (I, II, III) Land Rovers have about as much in
common with Discoverys and Range Rovers as with Mitsubishi & Iuzu 4X4s.

I mean, I like the new Discovery & RR Classic.  I like the owners I have met.
 I'm impressed at how well the Disco goes off road, but I guess I long for
the good ol' days when EVERYONE waved and the cars looked like a family, and
the owners were brought together through the similarity of ownership
experiences.

I guess I feel insecure about these changes.  Maybe thats why my roommate
keeps saying I'm still stuck in the late sixties and my newest car is a '61
Triumph TR3A.

Longing for the Good 'ol days

TeriAnn

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