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Date: 20 Jan 1996 02:41:06 U
From: "Bill Wright" <Bill_Wright@cpqm.saic.com>
Subject: [1]The Land Rover Owner Dai

        Reply to:   [1]The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Warmest regards from Costa Rica.  I currently plan to return to the office on
January 29th.  If you absolutely need to contact me while I'm on vacation,
both Lynda Houston and Millie Steele have my itinerary and phone numbers.
I'll take action on your e-mail as soon as I can.
Bill
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Date: 1/20/96 2:38 AM
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	  Contents:
  1 JZD5NASA@cardiff.ac.uk Fri Jan 19 05:16   39/2003  Series III brake lights
  2 mloxton@msn.com    Fri Jan 19 05:20   21/1139  Swop for Rangie
  3 steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com Fri Jan 19 05:23   30/1512  handbrake
steering
  4 asd1@ukc.ac.uk     Fri Jan 19 05:37   32/1068  paul cooper wiring
  5 JZD5NASA@cardiff.ac.uk Fri Jan 19 05:44   28/1389  Congratulations Land
Rove
  6 bjjen13b@telepost.no Fri Jan 19 06:47   52/2672  Suspension/ABS Brakes
  7 barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com Fri Jan 19 07:19  
35/2045  re:Reply/Synthetic oils
  8 barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com Fri Jan 19 07:34  
20/1114  re:: Hi-Lift Disco Mount
  9 Mark.Murphy@evolving.com Fri Jan 19 07:40   25/1574  Discovery ECU Code
 10 barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com Fri Jan 19 07:44  
24/1183  re:Moab trip report in d9
 11 barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com Fri Jan 19 08:10  
37/1883  re:Suspension/ABS Brakes
 12 jim@kidd.com       Fri Jan 19 08:36   30/1131  Friends in D.C.
 13 cjett@voicenet.com Fri Jan 19 08:37   24/1085  Synthetic oils
 14 Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com Fri Jan 19 08:45   74/3050  ARB/OME
Accessories For L
 15 dbobeck@ushmm.org  Fri Jan 19 08:46   26/1336  Re[2]: Suspension/ABS Bra
 16 Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com Fri Jan 19 08:51   45/2283  RE: re::
Hi-Lift Disco Mo
 17 hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com Fri Jan 19 09:05   74/3904  Disco Synth, Ski
Rack, et
 18 crash@merl.com     Fri Jan 19 09:06   54/2655  Synthetic oils
 19 TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA Fri Jan 19 10:07   38/2375  Synthetics-Yea or Nay
 20 benedick@pa.net    Fri Jan 19 10:11   31/1461  How much water can a Disc
 21 vandecar@nwlink.com Fri Jan 19 10:13   28/1243  LRO Digest
 22 adallas@systemsoft.com Fri Jan 19 10:19   68/3676  Re: Automaster
 23 barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com Fri Jan 19 10:41  
29/1254  re:Synthetic oils
 24 slade@teleport.com Fri Jan 19 10:55   46/1885  nit picking
 25 Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com Fri Jan 19 11:01  
30/1464  Wan rovers and kids
 26 cjett@voicenet.com Fri Jan 19 11:05   30/1273  RE: How much water can a 
 27 dkenner@emr1.emr.ca Fri Jan 19 11:16   55/2419  Polarity...
 28 slade@sisna.com    Fri Jan 19 11:36   32/1219  New address
 29 tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us Fri Jan 19 11:46   33/1326  Re: Synthetic
oils
 30 edwardsj@ohsu.EDU  Fri Jan 19 11:51   21/1191  Front receiver installati
 31 Bill_Wright@cpqm.saic.com Fri Jan 19 11:51  106/5557  [1]The Land Rover
Owner D
 32 jeff@purpleshark.com Fri Jan 19 12:23   42/2110  Re: Polarity...
 33 tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us Fri Jan 19 12:56   42/2229  Re: 4.2 Liter
for my '87 
 34 srbrown@sair020.energylan.sandia.gov Fri Jan 19 13:00   40/2209  Light on
speedometer need
 35 brabyn@skivs.ski.org Fri Jan 19 13:10   60/2688  re:Suspension/ABS Brakes
 36 brabyn@skivs.ski.org Fri Jan 19 13:11   78/3587  Re: 96 FWOTY
 37 dbobeck@ushmm.org  Fri Jan 19 13:29   48/1708  Re: Light on speedometer 
 38 abalser@merlin.salrm.alaska.edu Fri Jan 19 13:45   18/922   handbrake
steering?
 39 srbrown@sair020.energylan.sandia.gov Fri Jan 19 13:45   40/2066  Re: Light
on speedometer 
 40 dkenner@emr1.emr.ca Fri Jan 19 13:59   43/1937  Re: Polarity...
 41 tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us Fri Jan 19 14:04   56/2770  Re: Light on
speedometer 
 42 matts@cacilj.caciasl.com Fri Jan 19 14:27   38/1968  96 FWOTY
 43 PDoncaster@aol.com Fri Jan 19 14:36   36/1616  IIA Radiator Removal??
 44 Harincar@mooregs.com Fri Jan 19 15:49   43/1893  Eyebrows & alternative pa
 45 trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU Fri Jan 19 15:49   60/2367  Re: IIA Radiator
Removal?
 46 Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccma

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 12:13:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Alan Hood <alanh@merlin.nhmccd.cc.tx.us>
Subject: Re: Swaping RR 1990-1991 ECU s

Darn, that makes thing more difficult, because of the larger engine size.
Did land rover still use the 3.9 with the SWB RR or did they choose to go
with the larger engine of the LWB?

Alan Hood

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:23:13 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Uneven braking. Strange.

All

When i had MOT inspection in December, one of the minor things that failed
the beast was uneven braking in front. The inspector is looking forward to
seeing me tuesday 23'rd.

All drums, shoes, wheel cylinders and most secondary pipes are new. Drums
were cleaned in petrol before fitting. Shoes are adjusted perfectly. None
of the cylinders are stuck. Rear brakes are matching perfectly. About 1%
difference max!. Front is uneven by 4 (right)/3 (left). There is no physical
damage to components (none visual). There is no air in the system.
Shoes/drums should have settled by now. Dust is cleaned out.

Does any of you wizzards have any clue as to where the gremlins are playing?
I have just run out of ideas.

Anything you can add, please!

rgds
sv/aurens

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 10:28:52 -0500
Subject: Re: LR World tel no. (correct)

The correct number for Land Rover World subscriptions is: 0181 597 7335 
Fax: 0181 599 5965
A "1" was inserted in the first group of digits in most or all UK numbers
last year.
>From the US dial 011 44 then the UK number without the leading "0" i.e.
011 44 181 597 7335

David Cockey
Rochester, MI:  home of the winner of the LRW Series I

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 10:39:34 -0500
Subject: Re: IIA Radiator Removal?? (brake cyl sleeves)

>Also, in response to my question about bleed screws, someone suggested steel
>sleeves that go inside the cylinder during rebuild. What are your opinions
on
>this? Can we get sleeves in the States?

Several firms advertise brake cylinder sleeving services in "Hemmings" using
stainless steel. My guess is the bore the cylinder and then shrink fit the
sleeve in, so it wouldn't be a home mechanic operation. I've always assumed
it wouldn't be cheaper than a new cylinder.

David Cockey

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From: Gene Sparks <galleryg@techline.com>
Subject: Winch mounting on Discovery
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 07:40:33 -0800

Does anyone out there have any experience with mounting a winch on the =
Brushbar for a Discovery? Can it be done without effecting the SRS. Any =
suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Gene Sparks
96 Discovery 5 speed

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From: Gene Sparks <galleryg@techline.com>
Subject: Condensation in Discovery
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 07:36:58 -0800

Have any of you other Disco owners out there had problems with excessive =
condensation on your windows? I live in the Pacific Northwest so we have =
lots of rain, and I expect a certain amount of fogging of the windows, =
but my windows always seem to have large amounts of water 'rivulets' on =
them. This seems unusual for a 96 vehicle. Is this just a LR thing or is =
there a problem? Would like to hear from anyone with feedback on this =
situation.

Gene Sparks
96 Discovery 5 speed

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 09:31:30 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Condensation in Discovery

On damp, foggy days I've noticed condensation of course.  I've never
attributed it to a flaw in my Land Rover, however.  Are you experiencing a
leak?  If so, can you pinpoint the location(s)?  These would be a problem
with your Discovery, otherwise maybe a move to Phoenix is in order.  :-)

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California

At 07:36 20.01.96 -0800, Gene Sparks wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>Have any of you other Disco owners out there had problems with excessive =
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>situation.
>Gene Sparks
>96 Discovery 5 speed

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 96 17:26:54 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Ironman polybushes

All, 

Just got my Ironman polybush set for my 88 RR. What an impressive set ! 
Complete directions for fitting with exploded views of the front and rear 
suspension components. Each is show broken down if reference points to the 
relevant # bush. The box is divided into sections with the bushes neatly 
stored in their own compartment. 

The box top shows the bushes, # and how many fit per axle part. The kit even 
comes with waterproof grease.  

I'm real Impressed with the kit. They will be fitted Thursday. Will report on 
the outcome. 

Oh yes, those that doubt LR Supermarket / Merseyside.  I faxed the order in 
Monday evening, they arrived in NH yesterday. That is SERVICE. 

Mark    

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 13:59:12 -0500
Subject: Light on speedometer needle, 88 RR 

>The needles on my speedometer and the temperature gage on my 88 RR do
>not light up when the headlights are on. With the binnacle cover off, a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>inside there that can come unhooked -- does this ring a bell? Any
>suggestions on how to diagnose/fix this problem.

If the bulb is not out the problem is the fiber optics.  The fiber optic fell
out of my speedometer needle last weekend for the second time this year.  It
took me only a half hour this time since I knew what I was doing (I pushed
the fiber optic in real good so it won't fall out again).

The only way to put the fiber optics back in to the holes on the needles is
to remove the instrument binnacle from the vehicle. (If anyone needs help
doing this E-Mail me) Put the binnacle face down on a soft cloth on your work
bench and remove the four small phillips screws holding the front cover on.
 Then take off the bent wire that holds the clear plastic to the front of the
instrument cluster and remove the clear plastic (be careful not to bend the
trip odometer reset) you will have to pry the plastic up from the bottom to
get it out.  With the plastic off pinch the black plastic piece in the center
of the speedometer with MPH on it and lift it out.  You should see the fiber
optic and the hole in the end of the speedometer  needle.  Push it in to the
hole (push hard so it won't fall out again).

You can now just put it back together and forget about the temp gauge, or if
you are like me and that would bug you, take everything off the back of the
instrument cluster to get to the temp gauge fiber optic.  You will have to
take out every bulb (remember to note the location of the red bulb) and take
everything off the back.  It takes a while, go slow and make notes how
everything goes.  I did it the first time I had the dash apart and everything
still works.

Kevin Kelly
'89 Range Rover

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:45:49 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Synthetic Oils

I have used Mobil 1 in cars for over 10 years and 300,000 miles and put it
in our RR soon after we got it.  It is about time to chage it and this
engine with 66,000 miles on it has not used any oil in 3,000 miles.

I am going to seriesly consider synthetic for the tranmission, diffs and the
rest.  It will depend on cost.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport New Hampshire
603-863-7883

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:45:46 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Rover Rentals and full/part time 4wd

I wish Enterprise here had Discos a few months ago.  After someone backed
into our RR the best I could get from Enterprise was a Nissan Pathfinder for
a week while the RR was in the shop.  What a little tin box!

It was a week with 2 snowy/icy days.  In 2wd all that pathfinder would do is
spin a tire.  It makes me really appreciate the full time 4wd abilities of
my RR and all the post series LRs for the on the road conitions we face here.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport New Hampshire
603-863-7883

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:45:51 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: RR tires and approach angle

The ad for Michelin 4x4 tires for RRs from The Tire Rack lists it as
205/80TR-16.

Tom Sheppard's book lists (page 177) the following for 100" wb coil sprung
Range Rovers. Approach angle (with spoiler) 35 degrees, ramp breakover angle
151 degrees and departure angle 30 degrees.

BTW Disco is 34.3, 151 and 29 and D90 is 48, 150 and 49 on 205R16 tires ( so
what is it with the BFGs we get here?).

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport New Hampshire
603-863-7883

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 13:02:54 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Defender tools

On Sat, 20 Jan 1996 JEPurnell@aol.com wrote:

> Hi David,
> Say, can you tell me what those nuts are that hold teh valve cover down?  Are
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> thanks.
> JOhn.
Dear John:
I've looked at mine and don't know *what* they are. I tried my various 
sockets and nut drivers (all hex: standard or metric).
Since I've already made a fool of myself by putting 10 quarts of oil into 
my D90 last weekend, I could post the question to the list. :*0
If you find out what they are, would you please e-mail me?
Best wishes, 
David

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:09:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: -40 C

On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, David Place wrote:

> If you want to really see what driving a brick is like, come to Winnipeg 
> right now.  Last night we hit -38 C here and tonight -40 with a -58 
> windchill is forcast.  I took the Land Rover out yesterday and it ran 

	!!!  Hmmm, nice... :-)

> expect this to last another few days.  All this while Dixon and crew are 
> basking in +10 or more.  St. Catherens Ontario hit +15 today.  Couldn't 
> we share?  

	We did...  As you wrote this the rain stopped, the snow started
	and the temp dropped to -21c last night.  The roads are, let us
	say, a we bit slippery..

	Rgds,

	Now, if we could only get the Aussies to share...  

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:08:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Condensation in Discovery-Defender too...

I have the same conditions with my Defender, especially in the rain.  I
wonder if  the problem may be exacerbated on the defenders, maybe discos too,
 via cabin air intake placement?  

When it rains, it seems like  the  saturated air brought in through the
horizontal black vents on the wings also brings in actual water droplets in
addition to the saturated air (kind of a super-saturated condition).  And of
course add your warm breath to the mix, and the inside air has lots of
moisture to condense on the cold windows.  And  until the heater can raise
the temperature of cabin air enough to reabsorb the condensation, the windows
stay fogged.  And since the heaters aren't super swift on the defenders
(discos?) it takes a long time to raise the cabin air temp above the
condensation temp, and then a little more to allow for re-vaporization of the
water on the windows back into the cabin air. (the warmer air can hold more
moisture, and can then sponge up the condensate on the windows.) 

 If I understand it correctly, the reason you can use the AC unit to aid
defogging is that the cold AC air has less moisture, since it's cold, and
therefore you are replacing the higher moisture content cabin air with lower
moisture content air.  

On my trip to Vermont from the midwest,it rained ALOT the WHOLE way out and I
never reached cabin conditions to evaporate the condensation off the inside
of the windows, especially the rear.  I had fogged windows the whole time.
 Though I was warm enough, I think the constant influx of saturated air
overwhelmed the heating system, the only window fog free was the windscreen,
and only because it had direct hot air from teh defroster.  

Anyone have luck with Rainex on the inside??

John.  

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:12:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: IIA Radiator Removal??

On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> Pretty soon, Dixon, Lanny isn't going to take calls from *you*.   :-)

	Looking at the anti-FAQ, quite a few end up with the recommendation
	to call Lanny at RN.  I'd love to know if anyone ever has... :-)

	Rgds,

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 15:16:52 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: nit picking

> 1.  My Hi/Low shift lever rattles at road speed (all of them) and I can't
> see where I could tighten it.
The bolt that fastens it to the selector shaft may be loose.
 
> 2.  My grille (late IIA) buzzes at engine idle.  Does anyone shim their
> grille with felt or something?
I had that problem and I cut little pieces of an old inner tube and 
fitted them under the little retainers that the screws hold at the 
top.

> 3.  I put in Hella Vision lights and really like them,, but where can I
> find the 65/100 watt replacement bulbs?  If I put them in am I likely to
> fry a wire in the harness?
Kingsborne Products used to sell them, but last I heard they were out of 
business. Fry wires? Depends on what guage they are. With the 
brighter bulbs consider the on-coming traffic,
 
> 4.  How is everyone sealing up the little cracks, spaces and gaps in the
> floorboards, bulkhead, etc?
I haven't.

No answer for the rest.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 13:39:15 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Condensation in Discovery-Defender too...

On Sat, 20 Jan 1996 PurnellJE@aol.com wrote:(snip)
> same with my Defender, especially in the rain. ...problem may be 
> exacerbated on the defenders .... via cabin air intake placement?  
Although it makes for poor visibility, such condensation in the rain 
*does* put the occupants more "in touch" with the Great Outdoors, and the 
atmosphere is perhaps close to winter in Britain and emphasizes the 
Series heritage of the D90...........

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:35:15 -0500
From: sandee@dx.com.np (Sandee Loring)
Subject: Amazing FREE offer I found.

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Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.

Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.
I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business!  Please fill out the above form and carefully
follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail.

They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are
less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other
times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.
They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.

They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I
haved moved from one country to another.

They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from
a special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA.   They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.

They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 45 or 46 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a
charge for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie
subs) that varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to
be very friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address change
when I moved from one country to another.

The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls
you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes
he has one of his assistants call.  He is kind of quirky sometimes - he
insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I
sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!),  but you can place future
orders (after your first order) via E-mail.

He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live overseas,
he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he
still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long
distance rates are cheaper then.

He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up, they had
a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately
when you call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective new
members  the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
their staff.  I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above
form to them, that is the way to get started!

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.

They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what
he sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.

Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.

Sincerely,

Sandee Loring

ps.  please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net
who you think might be interested in it!  It is a great deal!  If you join
and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for
each new person you get to join after you join!   If you exceed 25
referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas,
Chanukah or any other occasion.  Please be kind enough to mention my name
when you join.   I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring
you.
Thank you.

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:15:40 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: Condensation in Discovery

On Sat, 20 Jan 1996, Gene Sparks wrote:
are you using the proper heater selection?--you want to use outside air to
heat defrost otherwise you are recirculating moisture all the time inside! > 
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Have any of you other Disco owners out there had problems with excessive =
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> Gene Sparks
> 96 Discovery 5 speed

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:44:56 GMT -0600
Subject: diesel primers

This is for all you oil burners out there. Back in '83 while stuck in 
Greenville, SC with a broken down VW (that's a story for another 
list) I took a tour of the CAV plant there. They were quite friendly 
and loaded me up with catalogs and stuff. One thing in the literature 
that might be of interest is an "Easy vent kit" for the CAV DPA 
pumps.
They are T shaped threaded handles that replace the vent screws on 
the DPA pump. There are three part numbers:
7167-750
7167-750A
7167-750B
All were priced at $13.50 US in '83. The information I have doesn't 
indicate which one fits the pumps on the LR.

The advantage of these kits is that you no longer need tools to prime 
your fuel system at the injection pump.

There's also a hand primer available that mounts on the fuel filter 
to make it a little easier to pump up the fuel if you run empty.
It has one fitting that attaches at the banjo bolt and the other is 
1/2" x 20UNF, PN HP6223003.  It's not in my old price list.

CAV also makes a dual filter unit that mounts in place of the stock 
unit, water seperators and other items that may be of interest. If 
anyone has specific interests just e-mail me directly.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:50:30 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Capstan Winches

Earlier this week there was a question as to fitting a capstan winch from a
4 cylinder to a 6 cylinder Series LR.

Looking through an old accessories booklet (Publication No.
00058/SP/8.87/15M), I found listed: RTC 8001-Capstan Winch, Series II, IIA,
III (except V8), 1360kg (3000lb) capacity.  

Also listed were 2 4000lb capacity capstan winches, RTC 8124 for Series III
except V8 and RTC 8874 for 90/110 4 cylinder models.

Hope this gives some help.

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport NH  
603-863-7883

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 19:37:39 -0500
From: rthomas@postoffice.ptd.net (Randall Thomas)
Subject: Synthetic oil web site

There's an excellent bit of info on synthetic oils at the following site:

http://www.chem.tulane.edu:8080/f-body/trivia/syn_oil.html

Amsoil always seems to come out on top in all the tests I've seen.  I've
been using it religously
since Rovers North in Vermont recommended I use it.   It's really the only
thing that can stand up to the heat generated in the series overdrives.  The
housing casting is so small and hanging out there
 that it makes a lousy heat sink and consequently the oil runs hot.
Remember that the overdrive 
is carrying all the torque load whether engaged or not.
One aspect that I like about syn oil is the fact that on very cold mornings,
I can 
let the clutch out right after I start the IIA without any noticable change
in engine
speed.
Randall Thomas
67 IIA
88 RR
68 P6
70 P6B

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:48:36 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Disco Defects to Date (for new or prospective buyers)

Well, as long as we're airing our Plushmobiles' dirty laundry...

'95 Discovery, 5spd, 7 months, 15,100 miles:

1.  Jammed sunroof at 9,500 miles.  Rebuilt by dealership.

2.  Bad left rear directional socket.  Dealer to replace ALL sockets under 
    warranty this Thursday.

3.  Squeaking steering at low (<50 degrees) temperatures.  Repaired by dealer.

4.  Right headlight washer broken off by a driver in a car with manual 
    transmission who didn't get his car in gear and rolled back into me on one 
    of our hills.  Replaced by dealer "under warranty."  It was free even
    though this was not a defect of the product.

Cheers!
John
I love my Discovery
San Francisco, California

At 16:57 18.01.97 -0600, John B. Friedman wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>All
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
>did not.
>2,5,6 will have to wait for a trip to dealer, 135 miles away.

------------------------------

From: smitha@zeus.candw.lc
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:22:32 -0500
Subject: The clog from Central America

Hello the list.
Exactly half of my last mail list consisted of various versions of Costa Rica 
Bill's message. Following an admirable suggestion  a couple of days ago I 
elected to join forces and return his mail to contribute to a well-filled mail 
box of junk. My first return was this morning - after 5 minutes in "sending 
mail" mode I realized I was locked up and had to re-boot, and spent the rest 
of the day locked out of my server mailbox. Now that I have finally 
re-accessed my server I have 6 identical messages from Costa Rica.

I would like to know how one can mess up the list in this way, because I leave 
for Belize next week, for 2 weeks, and don't want any list legacy that affects 
 other users.
I  

------------------------------

From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 20:24:14 -0500
Subject: Disco "frozen" in place

Yesterday we had our January thaw with temperatures close to 15C/60F 
and lots of rain and lots of snow meleting. By midnight the 
temperature fell to about -5C/20F. The last time I drove my 96 Disco 
was while it was raining and warm. It was parked outside all night. 

Today the first time I started it the car did not move with normal 
gas and the tranmission in reverse. Could not try drive (that is 
forward) because there was not enough room to go forward. I checked 
for ice around the wheels and saw none, but maybe underneath there 
was some. The parking brake had been on all night. I finally gave it 
a lot more gas that I usually need to and it moved. Any ideas of what 
happened?

--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:05:35 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Polarity...

Dixon is positive about this.....

>	The big green beastie is going to get a CB radio this spring.
>	However, it seems that the manufacturers of such devices have
>	seen fit to discriminate against those with positive earth

bla-bla-bla

Haven't a clue about the antenna dynamics... But... There used to be a
device you could use to install a negative ground radio in a positive ground
vehicle. Don't know where you can get one (I'm a lot of help) but they did
work. I was skeptical until I saw a setup in a positive-earth Bugeye Sprite...

Cheers
Mike

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:05:46 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: IIA Radiator Removal??

Peter asks...

>The manual indicates removing the fan blades. My fan appears to be a single
>unit w/ the blades riveted in position. Do I need to remove the fan to
>extract the radiator, and if so, what is the procedure???
-

I believe there are four bolts. 7/16 open end wrench will get them. The fan
blades come off as a unit and the pulley will come off seperately.

>My breather has a light film of oil built up around the vent slot. Is this a
>sign of somthing amiss???
>Should I be worried??
-

Not to worry... At least you know that oil is circulating around... And it
keeps things from rusting away, too....

>Also, in response to my question about bleed screws, someone suggested steel
>sleeves that go inside the cylinder during rebuild. What are your opinions on
>this? Can we get sleeves in the States?
-

The sports car crowd (old Triumphs, mostly) I know sleeve thier wheel
cylinders prior to switching to silicon brake fluid (not that you have to).
I believe they all let a machine shop that specializes in that sort of thing
do the work. I think you only need to sleeve the cylinders if they are too
scored to use and you don't have replacements.

Cheers
  
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:05:36 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: tyre issues, choice

Mark asks about tires...

>I need to replace 2 tyres, the original spec tyres are no longer available, 
>should I change all four for something more aggressive ?   Maybe go to 
>225/75/16 maybe BFG ?  
-

I looked at some 225/75/16 "Mud Kings" to put on my IIa. These are made by
BFG. Nice, aggressive tread that look like they wouldn't be too noisy on
pavement. I figure that they should perform well on trails such as the ones
Ray Dixon likes..

Cheers

Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:05:46 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: 95 Disco - recommendations for transport of snow skis?

Patty asks...

>I am planning a ski trip to Canada (Sault St. Marie) and would like
>recommendations for ski carriers.  Since I have to take the vehicle to
........snip..........
>We don't have the skis yet.  Would 2 pair of skis fit in the cargo area
>with the seatbacks pushed out of the way?  Sure would be a lot cheaper.
-

Rack-schmack... I put my skies in the back of my IIa... then fit just fine.

Cheers

Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:05:35 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Eyebrows & alternative paint schemes

Tim asks...

>Has anyone added eyebrows, a la D90, to a series vehicle? Do the D90's fit an 
>88? Who makes them (I see RN only has them listed for the Defenders). How do 
>they look?
-

Eyebrows??/ I suppose *next* you'll be wanting to paint on eyelashes...
Maybe a bit of rouge and mascara too.... 

>(as if that wasn't bad enough...)
-

Heh,heh,heh...

>I'm considering painting the galvanized trim on my IIa black. The PO had 
-

Heretic! Blasphemer!

>Will black trim look any better than the cheapo silver it is now? Maybe I 
>should play around with some photographs in PhotoShop first...
-

OK.. I saw an 88 in Conneticut a few months ago with all the galvi painted
gloss black. Pretty slick looking, but then the truck looked like it never
left pavement either. It's your Land Rover... abuse it as you may!

Cheers
Mike

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 01:36:00 GMT
From: newconcept@tcp.co.uk (David Olley at NEW CONCEPT)
Subject: Amazing FREE offer I found.

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

-----> NOTE:   Please first read my note which appears below the "Request
for more info Form."  Then, to get more info, just fill out the "Request
for More Info" form completely and *FAX* or *SMAIL* it back to the company.
You will get a quick reply via email within 1 business day of receipt of
the info request form below.

IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR THOSE FAXING IN THEIR REPLY:  Please make sure you
return *only* the below form and *no part* of this message other than the
actual form below.  If you do not know how to cut and paste the below form
onto a fresh clean blank page for faxing, then you may re-type the below
form, as long as you copy it line for line *exactly.*  This is necessary in
order for them to be able to process the tremendous number of replies that
they get daily.

Your fax goes directly onto their 4.2 gigabyte computer hard drive, not
paper, and all incoming fax calls are set-up to be *auto-terminated* if
your fax:
1. has a cover page;
2. is more than one page
3. does not begin with the "cut here/begin" line from the below form
4. does not end with the "cut here/end" line from the below form.
5. has any handwritten info. on it (info must must be filled out *only*
    with your computer keyboard or typewriter keyboard).  This last
    provision re:  no handwriting on the form applies to requests sent in
    via smail also.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NOTE:  Their fax line is open 24 hrs. per day, but due to thousands of
inquiries coming in per week from potential new members living overseas,
the easiest time to get through is Monday-Friday, 9 am - 5 pm EST (New York
Time).  If you have trouble getting through to their fax, just drop the
below form to them via smail (airmail or first class mail).
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

*------------cut here/begin-------------------------------------------*
REQUEST FOR MORE INFO:  please return *only* this section (with no cover
page) via 1-page fax to:
                              718-967-1550 in the USA

or via smail (airmail) to:    Magazine Club Inquiry Center
                                         Att. FREE Catalogue-by-email Dept.
                                         PO Box 990
                                         Staten Island NY  10312-0990

Sorry, but incomplete forms *will not* be acknowledged.  If you do not
have an email address, or access to one, they will not be able to help you
until you do have one.  If you saw this message, then you should have one.  :)

Name:
Internet email address:
Smail home address:
City-State-Zip:
Country:
Work Tel. #:
Work Fax #:
Home Tel. #:
Home Fax #:

How did you hear about us (name of person who referred you or the area of
the internet that you saw us mentioned in):  Referral by:  Sandee Loring.
011996-l

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on the newsstand or in the store:

Name of USA mags you currently get on a subscription basis, through the mail:

Name of USA mags you would like price quotes on when we call you:

Catalogue format desired (list "1," "2," "3" or "4"):

*------------cut here/end--------------------------------------------*

Catalogue Format Options:
1.  19-Part email- can be read by EVERYONE (~525 K Total).
2.  For more advanced computer users:  attached text file ~525K - you
     must know how to download an attached text file and then be able to
     open it with your word processor.  If in doubt, don't ask for this
     version.  This isn't for internet *newbies.* Better to order option 1
     and spend a few minutes pasting them into one whole text document
     with your word processor, than to waste hours trying to figure how
     to deal with this option.
3.  For more advanced Macintosh computer users: compressed attached
     text file, created with a Stuffit(tm) self-extracting archive (.sea),
      ~133K.  Can be decompressed by any Macintosh computer user; no
     special expansion software or knowledge of Stuffit (tm) needed.  You
     just double-click on the file icon and it automatically expands
     (unstuffs). This is for more advanced mac computer users only, as
     you still have to know how to deal with an attached file.  It will cut
     your download time by 75%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in
     option #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be
     able to do.
4.  For expert computer users: compressed attached text file, created with
     Stuffit(tm),  ~114K.  Can be decompressed by any computer user who
     has expansion software to decompress (expand) Stuffit(tm) (.sit) files.
     This is for more advanced computer users only and will cut your
     download time by 78%.   Expands out to the same ~525K file in option
     #2.  See option #2 for more info on what you will need to be able to do.

Hi fellow 'netters,

My name is Sandee Loring and I recently started using a magazine
subscription club in the USA that has a FREE 1 yr. magazine subscription
deal with your first paid order- and I have been very pleased with them.
They have over 1,500 different USA titles that they can ship to any country
on a subscription basis.   As for computer magazines from the USA, they
more of a selection than I ever knew even existed.  They have magazines for
most every area of interest in their list of 1,500 titles.

Within the USA, for their USA members, they are cheaper than all their
competitors and even the publishers themselves.  This is their price
guarantee.

Overseas, on the average, they are generally around one-fourth to one-half
of what the newsstands overseas charge locally for USA magazines.  On some
titles they are as little as one-tenth of what the newsstands charge.  They
feel that mgazines should not be a luxury overseas.   In the USA, people
buy magazines and then toss them after reading them for just a few minutes
or hours.  They are so cheap in the USA!   Well, this company would like to
make it the same way for their overseas members.  They are also cheaper
than all their competitors in the USA and overseas, including the
publishers themselves!   This is their price guarantee.  Around one-half
their business comes from overseas, so they are very patient with new
members who only speak limited English as a 2nd language.

Their prices are so cheap because they deal direct with each publisher and
cut-out all the middlemen.

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.

Please do not email me as I am just a happy customer and a *busy* student.
I don't have time to even complete my thesis in time, let alone run my
part-time software business!  Please fill out the above form and carefully
follow the intructions above to get it to them via fax or smail.

They guarantee to beat all their competitors' prices. Sometimes they are
less than half of the next best deal I have been able to find and other
times, just a little cheaper - but I have never found a lower rate yet.
They assured me that if I ever do, they will beat it.

They have been very helpful and helped me with all my address changes as I
haved moved from one country to another.

They have a deal where you can get a free 1 yr. sub to a new magazine from
a special list of over 295 popular titles published in the USA.   They will
give you this free 1 yr. sub when you place your first paid order with them
to a renewal or new subscription to any of the over 1,500 different popular
USA titles they sell.

They can arrange delivery to virtually any country and I think they have
clients in around 45 or 46 countries now.  Outside the USA there is a
charge for FPH (foreign postage and handling) (on both paid and freebie
subs) that varies from magazine to magazine.  I have found their staff to
be very friendly and courteous.  They even helped me with an address change
when I moved from one country to another.

The owner thinks of his service as a "club" and his clients as "members"
(even though there is no extra fee to become a member - your first purchase
automatically makes you a member) and he is real picky about who he accepts
as a new member.   When he sets you up as a new member, he himself calls
you personally on the phone to explain how he works his deal, or sometimes
he has one of his assistants call.  He is kind of quirky sometimes - he
insists on setting up new members by phone so he can say hi to everyone (I
sure wouldn't want to have his phone bills!),  but you can place future
orders (after your first order) via E-mail.

He has some really friendly young ladies working for him, who seem to know
just as much as he does about this magazine stuff.  If you live overseas,
he will even call you there, as long as you are interested, but I think he
still makes all his overseas calls on the weekends, I guess cause the long
distance rates are cheaper then.

He only likes to take new members from referrals from satisfied existing
members and he does virtually no advertising.  When I got set-up, they had
a 2-3 week waiting list for new members to be called back so that they
could join up. (Once you are an existing member, they help you immediately
when you call. )  I think they are able to get back to prospective new
members  the same day or within a few days now, as they have increased
their staff.  I am not sure about this.........but if you email the above
form to them, that is the way to get started!

They will send you their DELUXE EMAIL CATALOGUE (around 525K-big and
juicey) !)...if you completely fill out the form above.  It has lists of
all the freebies, lists of all the titles they sell, titles broken down by
categories and detailed descriptions on nearly 1,200 of the titles that
they sell.

They then send you email  that outlines how his club works and the list of
free choices that you can choose from, as well as the entire list of what
he sells;  and then they will give you a quick (3-5 minute) friendly,
no-pressure no-obligation call to explain everything to you personally and
answer all your questions.

Once you get in, you'll love them. I do.

Sincerely,

Sandee Loring

ps.  please forward a copy of this message to all your friends on the net
who you think might be interested in it!  It is a great deal!  If you join
and then they join after you, you will earn a free 1 yr. subscription for
each new person you get to join after you join!   If you exceed 25
referrals, they let you use them to give away as gifts, for Christmas,
Chanukah or any other occasion.  Please be kind enough to mention my name
when you join.   I will then get a free magazine for a year for referring
you.
Thank you.

David Olley
............................................................................
.........
Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
............................................................................
.........

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:51:33 -0800
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: list of Land Rover dealers in North America

Hi all,

John C. White, III suggested that he could type in the list of Land Rover 
dealers that's in the back of the owner's manuals. I mentioned that I had 
a scanner. Here they are, scanned and (rather painstakingly, thanks to 
our OCR software) corrected. I think it was someone's excellent idea 
that, with a complete list of dealers, we could comment on the winners 
and losers.

ALABAMA
Tom Williams Motors, Inc.
2200 Third Avenue South
Birmingham, AL 35233
(205) 252-9512

ARIZONA
Land Rover Scottsdale
6925 East McDowell Road
Scottsdale, AZ 85257
(602) 990-7900

ARKANSAS
Riverside Motors, Inc.
1403 Rebsamen Park Rd.
Little Rock, AR 72202
(501) 666-9457

CALIFORNIA
Bauer Motors
2025 S. Manchester Ave.
Anaheim, CA 92802
(714) 971-2002

British Motor Car Dist., Ltd.
901 Van Ness Avenue
San Francisco, CA 94109
(415) 776-7700

Cole European
2103 N. Main Street
Walnut Creek, CA 94596
(510) 935-2653
(San Francisco Area)

Cutter Motors
402 South Hope Avenue
Santa Barbara, CA 93105
(805) 682-2000

Haron Motor Sales, Inc.
2222 Ventura Avenue
Fresno, CA 93721
(209) 237-5533

Hornburg Jaguar, Inc.
9176 Sunset Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90069
(213) 272-7737

Hornburg Jaguar, Inc.
3300 Olympic Boulevard
Santa Monica, CA 90404
(213) 453-3377
(Service Only)

Hubacher Cadillac, Inc.
#1 Cadillac Drive
Sacramento, CA 95825
(916) 929-2777

Land Rover Mission Viejo
28662 Marguerite Parkway
Mission Viejo, CA 92692
(714) 365-8750

Land Rover Thousand Oaks
3601 Auto Mall Drive
Thousand Oaks, CA 91362
(818) 889-2126

Pioneer Centres
9020 Miramar Road
San Diego, CA 92126
(619) 695-3000

R.A.B. Motors, Inc.
540 Francisco Blvd. West
San Rafael, CA 94901-3925
(415) 454-0582

Land Rover San Jose
4040 Stevens Creek Blvd.
San Jose, CA 95129
(408) 246-7600

South Bay Autohaus
3233 Pacific Coast Highway
Torrance, CA 90505
(310) 534-3333
(Los Angeles Area)

Symes Cadillac, Inc.
3475 East Colorado Blvd.
Pasadena, CA 91107
(818) 795-3381
(Los Angeles Area)

Terry York Motor Cars, Ltd.
15800 Ventura Boulevard
Encino, CA 91436
(818) 990-9870
(Los Angeles Area)

COLORADO
Land Rover Aspen
109 Aspen Airport Business Ctr.
Aspen, CO 81611
(303) 920-9888

Pioneer Centres, Inc.
2950 South Havana Street
Aurora, CO 80014
(303) 751-1500
(Denver Area)

Land Rover Colorado Springs
1314 Motor City Drive
Colorado Springs, CO 80906
(719) 636-9336

CONNECTICUT
Gengras Motor Cars
One Weston Park Road
Hartford, CT 06120
(203) 522-6134

Range Rover of Darien
1335 Post Road
Darien, CT 06820
(203) 655-7451

FLORIDA
Land Rover Fort Lauderdale
5740 North Federal Highway
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33308
(305) 493-5000

Land Rover Orlando
265 North Highway 17-92
Longwood, FL 32750
(407) 695-9100

Land Rover Jacksonville
10857 Phillips Highway
Jacksonville, FL 32256
(904) 292-0400

Larry Dimmitt Cadillac, Inc.
25191 U.S. Highway 19 North
Clearwater, FL 34623
(813) 797-7070
(Tampa/St. Petersburg Area)

Palm Beach Motor Cars, Ltd.
915 South Dixie Highway
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
(407) 659-6206

Shelton Imports, Inc.
850 N. Tamiami Trail
Naples, FL 33940
(813) 263-6070

Warren Henry Automobiles, Inc.
20802 N.W. 2nd Avenue
Miami, FL 33169
(305) 654-3900

GEORGIA
Hennessy Cadillac, Inc.
3040 Piedmont Road
Atlanta, GA 30305
(404) 261-5700

Land Rover North Point
1505 Mansell Road
Alpharetta, GA 30201
(404) 587-2000

HAWAII
Continental Cars Limited
1069 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96814
(808) 537-5365

IDAHO
Lyle Pearson Company, Inc.
351 Auto Drive
Boise, ID 83709
(208) 377-3900

ILLINOIS
Bill Jacobs Motorsports, Inc.
1564 West Ogden Avenue
Naperville, IL 60566
(708) 357-1200
(Chicago Area)

Knauz Continental Autos, Inc.
1044 North Western Avenue
Lake Forest, IL 60045
(708) 234-1700
(Chicago Area)

Land Rover Barrington
136 W. Northwest Highway
Barrington, IL 60010
(708) 304-5600

Land Rover Hinsdale
300 East Ogden Avenue
Hinsdale, IL 60521
(708) 325-9955

INDIANA
Tom Wood Range Rover
3473 East 96th Sheet
Indianapolis, IN 46240
(317) 848-7447

KANSAS
Aristocrat Motor Co., Inc.
9400 West 65th Street
Shawnee Mission, KS 66203
(913) 677-3300

LOUISIANA
Benson Motor Company
3727 Veterans Blvd.
Metairie, LA 70002
(504) 456-3727

MARYLAND
Autohaus Tischer, Inc.
3225 Ft. Meade Road
Laurel, MD 20707
(301) 498-7400
(Washington D.C. Area)

Frankel Cadillac Company
201 Reisterstown Road
Baltimore, MD 21208
(410) 484-8800

MASSACHUSETTS
Land Rover MetroWest
790 Worcester Road
Natick, MA 01760
(508) 650-8822

MICHIGAN
Fred Lavery Company
499 South Hunter Boulevard
Birmingham, MI 48009
(810) 645-5930
(Detroit Area)

MINNESOTA
Carousel Automobiles
8989 Wayzata Boulevard
Minneapolis, MN 55426
(612) 544-9591

MISSOURI
Plaza Motor Company
11830 Olive Street Road
Creve Coeur, MO 63141
(314) 569-1311
(St. Louis Area)

NEBRASKA
Baxter Chrysler-Plymouth, Inc.
11910 West Dodge Road
Omaha, NE 68154
(402) 493-7800

NEVADA
Chaisson Motor Cars
2333 South Decatur Blvd.
Las Vegas, NV 89102
(702) 871-1010

Scott Motor Company
2401 S. Virginia Street
Reno, NV 89502
(702) 826-0661

NEW JERSEY
Cherry Hill Imports, Corp.
2261 Route 70 West
Cherry Hill, NJ 08002
(609) 665-5370

Paul Miller, Inc.
250 U.S. Route 46
Parsippany, NJ 07054
(201) 575-7750
(Northern New Jersey Area)

Land Rover Woodbridge
885 Route 1
Avenel, NJ 07001
(908) 634-8200

Prestige Motors, Inc.
405 Route 17
Paramus, NJ 07652
(201) 265-7800
(New York Metropolitan Area)

Schneider & Nelson, Inc.
270 Highway No. 36
West Long Branch, NJ 07764
(908) 389-1000

NEW MEXICO
Sandia Imports
3400 Menaul Blvd., N.E.
Albuquerque, NM 87107
(505) 884-0066

Sandia of Santa Fe
2870 Cooks Road
Santa Fe, NM 87501
(505) 474-0888
(Service Only)

NEW YORK
Holtz House of Vehicles, Inc.
3925 West Henrietta Road
Rochester, NY 14623
(716) 334-0880

Keeler Motor Car Company, Inc.
1111 Troy-Schenectady Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 785-4197
(Albany Area)

Land Rover Massapequa
5730 Merrick Road
Massapequa, NY 11758
(516) 795-7200

Land Rover Southampton
355 Hampton Road
Southampton, NY 11968
(516) 287-4141

Pepe Autos Ltd.
50 Bank Street
White Plains, NY 10606
(914) 949-4000

Range Rover Land
350 Glen Head Road
Glen Head, NY 11545
(516) 674-8500
(Long Island Area)

Zumbach Sports Cars, Ltd.
629 West 54th Street
New York, NY 10019
(212) 582-5613
(Manhattan Area)

NORTH CAROLINA
Hendrick Imports
6950 E. Independence Blvd.
Charlotte, NC 28227
(704) 535-0885

Leith, Inc.
500 Auto Park Blvd.
Cary, NC 27511
(919) 469-2699

OHIO
Midwestern Auto Group
5016 Post Road
Dublin, OH 43017
(614) 889-2571
(Columbus Area)

Range Rover Cleveland
3020 Mayfield Road
Cleveland Heights, OH 44118
(216) 932-9460

Williams Ford Sales, Inc.
9260 Montgomery Road
Cincinnati, OH 45242
(513) 891-0500

OKLAHOMA
Bob Moore Cadillac, Inc.
400 North Walker
Oklahoma City, OK 73102
(405) 749-9000

OREGON
Land Rover Portland
2001 S.W. Jefferson Street
Portland, OR 97201
(503) 226-0380

PENNSYLVANIA
Ascot Imported Cars, Inc.
418 Walnut Street
Sewickley, PA 15143
(412) 741-3300
(Pittsburgh Area)

Brandywine Motor Cars, Inc.
Westtown Auto Park
715 Auto Park Boulevard
West Chester, PA 19382
(610) 696-1220
(Philadelphia Area)

The Great Britains
Old York Road & Penn Turnpike
Willow Grove, PA 19090
(215) 443-5900
(Philadelphia Area)

Ladd Hanford Jaguar-Volvo
2247 West Cumberland St.
Lebanon, PA 17042
(717) 272-9500

RHODE ISLAND
Jake Kaplan's, Ltd.
206 Elmwood Avenue
Providence, RI 02907
(401) 461-2000

SOUTH CAROLINA
Baker Motor Company of
Charleston, Inc.
1511-1513 Savannah Highway
Charleston, SC 29407
(803) 852-4000

Land Rover Greenville
1450 Laurens Road
Greenville, SC 29607
(803) 232-7493

TENNESSEE
Andrews Cadillac Company
Maryland Farms
Brentwood, TN 37024-0427
(615) 373-3800

Bluff City British Cars, Inc.
1810 B Getwell Road
Memphis, TN 38111
(901) 743-4422

TEXAS
Autobahn Europlaza
3000 White Settlement Road
Fort Worth, TX 76107
(817) 336-0885

Land Rover Houston
7025 Katy Road
Houston, TX 77024
(713) 869-4855

Land Rover Dallas
11400 N. Central Expressway
Dallas, TX 75243
(214) 363-7251

Gunn Oldsmobile, Inc.
750 N.E. Loop 410
Son Antonio, TX 78209
(210) 824-1272

Holiday Automotive, Inc.
4600 Canyon Drive
Amarillo, TX 79109
(806) 359-2886

UTAH
Land Rover Intermountain
3711 South State Street
Salt Lake City, UT 84115
(801) 262-6401

VERMONT
The Automaster
Route 7, Box 220
Shelburne, VT 05482
(802) 985-8482

VIRGINIA
H.B.L., Inc.
8545 Leesburg Pike
Vienna, VA 22180
(703) 442-8200
(Washington D.C. Area)

Land Rover Richmond
11650 Midlothian Pike
Midlothian, VA 23113
(804) 378-8018

Phillips Oldsmobile, Inc.
4949 Virginia Beach Blvd.
Virginia Beach, VA 23462
(804) 499-3771

WASHINGTON
Land Rover Seattle
2223 9th Avenue
Seattle, WA 98121
(206) 682-9205

Land Rover Eastside
12223 Bel-Red Road
Bellevue, WA 98004
(206) 455-9559

WISCONSIN
Berndt Classic Imports
2400 South 108th Street
Milwaukee, WI 53227
(414) 543-3000

DEALERS IN CANADA

ONTARIO
Budds' Imported Cars
513 Speers Road
Oakville, Ontario
L6K 2G4
(905) 845-1443

Lawrence Park Motors
912 Mount Pleasant Road
Toronto, Ontario
M4P 2L6
(416) 485-7601

Land Rover of London
766 Wharncliffe Road South
London, Ontario
N6J 2N7
(519) 685-2277

Otto's
235 Richmond Road
Ottawa, Ontario
K1Z 6W7
(613) 725-3048

QUEBEC
Decarie Motors, Inc.
55 Gince Street
Ville St. Laurent, Quebec
H4N lJ7
(514) 334-9910

Centre Land Rover

ALBERTA
David Morris Fine Cars, Ltd.
17210 103rd Avenue
Edmonton, Alberta
T5S 1N1
(403) 484-9000

Lone Star Inc.
100 Glendeer Circle, S.E.
Calgary, Alberta
T2H 2S8
(403) 253-1333

BRITISH COLUMBIA
MCL Motor Cars (1992) Inc.
1730 Burrard Street
Vancouver, B.C.
V6J 3G7
(604) 738-5577

-- 

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery V8i

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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 01:39:37 GMT
From: newconcept@tcp.co.uk (David Olley at NEW CONCEPT)
Subject: Previous Mail

Apologies for the forwarded Junk Mail. I was sending this back to the
originator and pressed the wrong button.

David Olley
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Winchester, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
    Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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From: Landy88@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:19:28 -0500
Subject: Amsoil

With all the talk about synthetic oils, thought I would kick in my $.02
worth.  

I have used Amsoil in every vehicle I own for years now (well, three years).
 I first switched when I had this beautiful liquid put in my Mercedes 240D.
 It was originally used because the engine was difficult to crank in cold
weather.  It was wonderful in NC, but even in the mountains there, sub-20
degree starts are rare.

Then I moved to Massachusetts.  Even in sub-zero weather, the "diesel demon"
fired right up.  Cranking RPMs were SIGNIFICANTLY increased.  It also helped
in getting the engine's 220,000 miles with very little wear.  Compression
tests showed the engine to be much less worn than expected with this milage.

I just had ALL my lubricants in my 73 SeriesIII 88 switched to Amsoil.  I too
noticed a greatly reduced operating noise level, decreased engine operating
temperature (I'll be sorry for that in heating difficulty), and easier shift
points.

I wish I had made this move before my cam and tappet problems.  After $2000
in damage, I'll never go back to cheaper oils.  

I have no vestment in Amsoil.....this is just my offer to the rest of you.
 Make the switch...you'll b glad you did.

Charles Cooper
Lee, Massachusetts

'73 Series III 88
'68 Series IIa 88

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 20:12:10 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Previous Mail

If you want to return the junk span, you will need to send it to
krazykev@kjl.com.  He uses false id's when sending out his scams.

On Sun, 21 Jan 1996, David Olley at NEW CONCEPT wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Apologies for the forwarded Junk Mail. I was sending this back to the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> David Olley
> ............................................................................

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From: Landy88@aol.com
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 21:19:37 -0500
Subject: PAINTING GALVANIZING BLACK

I, too, had a PO that painted the galvanizing silver.  I thought prematurely
that I could clean off the silver, but the galvanizing underneath was pretty
brown.

I used VARIPRIME to get the paint to stick, then coated the exposed
galvanizing with a semi-flat black topcoat.  Looks great.  I am also planning
to remove and recoat one day, but until then, I am extremely happy with the
black.  If I weren't such a nut for originality, I would leave it black.

Charles Cooper
Lee, MA

'73 Series III 88 (With some black racing stripes)
'68 Series IIa 88 (With some pieces missing)

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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 00:31:06 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: nit picking

Re rattle of the Hi-Low shifter.  If the rubber boot is worn out the 
shifter will rattle so first try that.  The second thing that often 
happens is that the little spring that goes into the ball on the shaft 
where it passes through the ring just below the floor falls out and the 
handle rattles against the circular ring.  A little thing like putting a 
rubber elastic around the ball will stop the rattle.  Dave VE4Pn

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 23:21:17 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: hoods

does any RANGE ROVER owner out there need an early (non-counterbalance)
hood? i have one comp. with new hinge asemblies, decal set etc to fit early
(pre 87) range rovers! reas offers accepted its white 

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