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From: NEIL AYLOTT <JZD5NASA@cardiff.ac.uk>
Date:          Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:10:52 GMT
Subject:       Series III brake lights

Can anybody help me?
     I own a Series III 2286cc petrol SWB hardtop with side-windows, 
first registered in September 1971.
The other day I took the off-side brake light cover to clean it, and 
discovered that one of the screw holes is broken on the inside. BUT 
the light is a combined brake/registration plate light (both on-side 
and off-side lights are identical, and have "Wipac" written in the 
plastic). However, I went to my local independent LR parts dealer to 
replace it, and, according to them it is a Series IIA 
brake/registration light. On my friend's Series III (a newer one, he 
has a separate brake light and registration light.
     Could anybody who has any information regarding my problem (such 
as to the originality/authenticity of this situation) please E-mail 
me on Aylott@cardiff.ac.uk

Thanks
Neil Aylott
Proud owner of "Humpfrey the Lan Rover"
Aylott@cardiff.ac.uk

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 10:13:00 UT
From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com>
Subject: Swop for Rangie

Please will someone offer me a post 83 Rangie, engine and gearbox can be in 
any condition, body and chassis must be good, paint-work can be whatever.

I will offer to pay money, or swop you for my BMW R100RS 1000cc boxer twin 
with full fairing & bruised panniers. Will include BMW leathers and helmet.

Cmon, pleeeze.

P.S. If you have body & chassis separate, thats almost better (import tax).

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 05:21:42 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: handbrake steering

Handbrake steering is basically handbrake turning.  You use the
handbrake to lock the rear wheels and they slide, thus turning the
vehicle rapidly in a small space (if you get it right!).
  
Can be very useful to reduce the turning circle in the goo.  It is
great to have this rear wheel steering effect.
  
Of course us series owners can do it by using wellie in 2 wd mode.
  
Steve ( I'm not a hooligan, honest!)
  
Steve Reddock                         Product Evaluation, 26/12
Xyratex                  Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450  Int.721-4450
REDDOCK at HVTVM         Internet: Steve_Reddock@UK.XYRATEX.COM

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From: asd1@ukc.ac.uk
Subject: paul cooper wiring
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 10:36:14 gmt

	Wiring diag
	1.	Haynes manual
	2.	Land Rover manual,  Its simple I've just made one.

	otherwise see LR press 

	AUTOSPARKS
	SII	199.00
	SIII	125.00 		I Think.

	tel 0115-949-7211

ASD

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From: NEIL AYLOTT <JZD5NASA@cardiff.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:44:27 GMT
Subject: Congratulations Land Rover!!!

Hi out there!
     I've just heard through the grapevine that the contract for the 
new British Army ambulances has been placed with Land Rover (NOT 
Steyr-Daimler-Puch). I believe that they are of Defender 130 origin.

Neil Aylott
Proud owner of "Humpfrey the Land Rover"
Aylott@cardiff.ac.uk

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From: Marit & Bjornung <bjjen13b@telepost.no>
Subject: Suspension/ABS Brakes
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:44:42 +-100

Mike Fredetta had some sensible comments about the suspension on the 
"Ninety" (or the "D90" as you Americans seem to like to call it".

However, he did not directly mention what is actually designed to act as 
the axle travel limitter, namely the shock absorber! What is preventing the 
complete axle to drop off your vehicle if you should inadvertently get 
airborne, or lift a wheel, is the shocker at  it maximum extension. If you 
decide to opt for Non OEM shock absorbers, never forget to compare the 
maximum length of these with the originals! Slightly longer ones may be 
acceptable, but please verify after installation, at least check that the 
brake hoses are not strained at the front.

I have experienced sudden brake failure (left and right front brake hoses 
snapped right off) as a result of this, even though the shock absorbers in 
question was specified and recommended for the vehicle by the well known 
manufacturer.

It is my understanding that the North American D90 have much stiffer 
springs than the European version (to bring it into another tax group 
perhaps?).

Which lead me to another comment, Land Rover quotes exactly the same wheel 
movement at gross vehicle weight for all Defender, Discovery and Range 
Rover Classic Products. Here in Europe the wheel movement of the D90 at 
kerb weight is equal to the Discovery and Range Rover Classic, whereas Four 
Wheeler Magazine's "Ramp Index" clearly indicate the D90 to be inferior to 
the RR. Perhaps the stiffer springs mentioned above is the explanation?

Sorry to take up so much space, but once you get started...

Drive carefully!

Bjornung
Norway

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 7:19:48 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Reply/Synthetic oils

John,
I have been using Mobil 1 and have had good luck. Others I know have been 
using it for years with no ill effects. Mobil 1 is also used in the Gran 
Prix race cars. Rovers North recommends Amsoil. They all use it and are 
very happy with it. RN say's it is the only synthetic that is truly 100% 
synthetic. I don't know if thats true or not, Mobil 1 says "fully 
synthetic" on the bottles. Can anyone out there verify this????

Rovers North just put Amsoil in my diffs, transfer, transmission, and 
swivel balls after fixing a recent problem I was having with an ARB air 
locker. I've noticed the drivetrain is quieter, shifting is smoother, and 
cold weather startups are MUCH better! I think I will switch to Amsoil for 
my next oil change also just to keep everything the same. Remember 
synthetic's are designed to meet or exceed the manufacture's recommended 
lubricant specs just like any other oil. Weather or not it is worth the 
extra bucks is a debate that has been going on for some time. I for one 
have been happy and plan to stick with synthetic's. 

Go for it!
Barnett
Childress
95 Defender 90 AA yellow (unnamed but thinking of King Bee? Any comments?)

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 7:35:12 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:: Hi-Lift Disco Mount

Mark, 
I would be VERY interested to know if the company your speaking about that 
has the mount for the Discovery also offers the same type of mount, 
(Jackall, shovel, axe) for the Defender spare tyre.

Thanks for any help
Barnett Childress

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 05:39:58 -0700
From: Mark Murphy <Mark.Murphy@evolving.com>
Subject: Discovery ECU Code

Anyone have more information on contacting Rob Emmins? I, for one,
would be very interested in seeing the code/algorithms from a 
Discovery ECU (hopefully with a little info on what it means or 
how to start decoding the data).

thanks,
Mark Murphy
mmurphy@evolving.com
Denver, Colorado USA
1995 white Discovery 5spd

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 7:44:33 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Moab trip report in d90 (T.E.D. #775)

John,
Your trip sounded truly wonderful. I'm envious I have always wanted to go 
to Moab and do some off-roading after reading so much about it in the 
different 4WD mags. Glad you had such a great time and the Defender 
performed so well.

Best wishes,

Barnett Childress
95 D90
Sturbridge, MA.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 8:10:25 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Suspension/ABS Brakes

>Marit comments on the shock absorber being the limit of axle droop.

Thats right when I put the OME suspension on my defender the shocks allow 
the axle to droop a little more than stock and gives slightly more wheel 
travel.

>American D90 suspension is stiffer than European defenders.

I have heard that another limitation of American defenders suspension 
travel is the panhard rod up front and wishbone setup in the rear. I also 
heard that these are only on US defenders, (to meet DOT safety standards), 
they limit body roll in fast maneuvers or cornering, and that they are not 
really needed, nor are they on any other defenders sold around the world. 
Can anyone answer this for me????

Bill Burke, of (Four Wheeling America) has told me he has taken the 
panhard rod and wishbone setup off of his D90 and the result is GREATLY 
improved axle articulation. He also drives on the highway etc. and said 
that handling was really none the worse??

All info greatly appreciated
Barnett
Childress 95 D90 

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:29:54 -0400
From: jim@kidd.com (jnk)
Subject: Friends in D.C.

Hello all,

At ROAV this past fall I met two 20 something guys from D.C. One guy keeps
his LR in a parking lot near his home. I Meant to get addresses and phone
numbers, but we left before I had a chance.

If you guys are on the list, or if anyone knows who I am talking about,
send me some E-mail.

Thanks,

Jim Karantinos
Tallahassee, FL

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:40:19 -0500
From: "Craig R. Jett" <cjett@voicenet.com>
Subject: Synthetic oils

All

Decided to switch to synth oil, but with one concern - I have 18,500 
miles on my 95 Disco - am I asking for problems?

Craig Jett
Yardley, PA

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From: Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com
Date: 19 Jan 96 08:43:00 -0500
Subject: ARB/OME Accessories For LR/RR

I just received a response from ARB/USA to an inquiry for information on 
Disco accessories. Unfortunately, they did not answer any of the questions I 
sent along such as will the bull bar in any way affect operation of the SRS. 
They also sent a picture of the D90 bull bar instead of the one for the 
Disco.

No prices were included in the literature received. You can contact them at 
the address below. They are also a US distributor for Old Man Emu 
accessories. I did not include the ARB Air Locker details and suggest you 
call them and get a local dealer's number and spend some time with them if 
you are going that route.

    ARB
    1425 Elliott Ave. West
    Seattle, WA 98119
    206/284-5906 Voice
    206/284-6171 Fax

ARB Bull Bars Bars

    3230020 RR Classic
    3232030 Discovery
    3232040 D90, D110

ARB Bull Bars with Winch Mounts

    3430020 RR Classic
    3432030 Discovery
    3432040 D90, D110

    Notes:
        Mounts designed for Warn (non "i") winches.
        Others may fit.
        8,000 or 9,000 lb. requires kit 3500050

Old Man Emu Suspensions (fit Disco, RR, D90)

    OME757  Front Coils, light loads, 1.25" lift
    OME751  Front Coils, heavy loads, 1.25" lift
    OME758  Rear Coils, medium load, 1.25" lift
    OME759  Rear Coils, heavy load, 2.5" lift
    OME752  Rear Coils, medium load, 1.25" [D110 only]
    N45F    Front Nitrocharger shock
    N46     Rear Nitrocharger shock
    N27     Rear Nitrocharger shock ("Soft Valve")
    OMESD11 Steering Damper (Disco and RR)
    OMESD32 Steering Damper (D90/110)

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 08:52:47 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Suspension/ABS Brakes

Bill Burke, of (Four Wheeling America) has told me he has taken the 
panhard rod and wishbone setup off of his D90 and the result is GREATLY 
improved axle articulation. He also drives on the highway etc. and said 
that handling was really none the worse??

Yeah, but it makes those 180's a bit tricky.

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From: Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com
Date: 19 Jan 96 08:48:58 -0500
Subject: RE: re:: Hi-Lift Disco Mount

I will advise when I hear back from them. How does the D90 spare attach? Is 
it just a triangle of 3 bolts sticking out like the Disco? If so, I would 
think the mount should work.

If anyone just can't wait, the company is MP Industries, 31 Industry Place, 
Bayswater Vic. 3153, 03/720-7275.

By the way - just saw some real teensy print in the add that says "carriers 
not suitable for alloy mag wheels." This will not be a problem for me as I 
will be using steel wheels off road. I suspect usage of proper cushioning 
material or spacers should protect the mags, though.

Mark
 ----------

>I would be VERY interested to know if the company your speaking about that
>has the mount for the Discovery also offers the same type of mount,
>(Jackall, shovel, axe) for the Defender spare tyre.

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From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 09:10:21 EST
Subject: Disco Synth, Ski Rack, etc.

John,

Seems you're putting miles on your Disco at about twice the 
rate I am.  Anyway, one should clean out the engine 
internals before converting from dino to synthetic, 
especially on well run-in engines.  I know Amsoil had some 
stuff that did this; just drain a quart, add quart of 
cleaner, and run engine for 20 min before draining.  Took 
out all the crud.  As I remember, you're a frequent changer, 
though, and at 13K, you shouldn't have to worry about crud 
being broken loose by running synthetic.  Go Syntec.  

Re other problems.  I had the handbrake clicking, too.  
*Very* subtle, could not hear if road was wet, let alone 
radio on.  Dealer backed off the handle one notch, 
eliminating the noise.  Then read on the list how one shift 
at Solihull were installing xmsn brakes out of proper 
adjustment.  Am about 700 miles from my 7500 service, and 
the clicking is back with a vengeance -- much louder.  
Still, the wife (primary driver) hasn't said a thing about 
it.  (It's a joke between us how she once sat directly 
beneath a blaring smoke alarm in the basement adjusting a 
camp stove, obliviously thinking the noise must be from the 
electric drill I was using out in the garage.)  This time, 
I'll insist the dealer properly correct the problem built in 
at Solihull and lube the steering firewall penetration at 
same time.  Also had a very short period of bad right turn 
signal; problem went away a mile after it started in the 
deathly slow crawl home from work after the great DC 
blizzard last week.  Other than that, things are great, 
though based on last week, will get more aggressive tires 
when the originals wear out.  Drove into about 10 inches of 
unplowed powder and stopped to right the flag after some 
teenage snot turned it upside down on the neighborhood mast. 
 Couldn't drive back out, even backwards, without some 
shovelling and sand.  Embarrasing when neighbors are 
observing.  No doubt in my mind that my 36-year-old 109 with 
its narrow tires would never have similarly lost its poise.

Have the "real" L-R hitch-mounted bike rack and ski adapter. 
 (Rovers North's prices were below dealer's.)  The locking 
ski rack is highly recommended for design and materials, 
though I added a bit of reflective tape to its blackness 
because it extends so far out behind the vehicle.  The bike 
rack is OK, but don't care for how lowering the rack to open 
the rear door causes bikes to come up off the hanger.  (Bike 
tires hit ground, bikes stop downward travel, rack continues 
down, unseating bikes.)  Would prefer to have something more 
rigid than bungee to clamp them down and I guess it wouldn't 
be hard to make something up to solve this occasional 
problem.

Long enuff for now.  Been off the net for a few days during 
office move.

Hank

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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:59:08 -0500
Subject: Synthetic oils

Sally Xray (94 Disco with 43,000 miles) has had nothing but synthetic
(usually Mobil-1) in her crankcase since the second oil change at 2000 
miles.

No problems at all.  The rocker galleries are sparkling clean, and oil
consumption (leakage, actually... this _is_ a Land Rover) is around a 
liter every 5000miles).  I *do* change oil and filter every 4K to 5K, 
though, and that can't hurt either.

----  Rant on detergent vs. dispersant oils follow -----

There's a big difference between automotive _detergent_ oils like
Mobil-1 and Syntec and aviation _dispersant_ oils.  The difference is
that automobile oils use detergents based on organometallic compounds
which work great- but they leave an ash when they burn.  In a car,
the engine is always changing power level and the temperture/cycling
changes cause the ash to spall off in microscopic flecs and be blown
out the tailpipe withotu causing harm.

In an aircraft, the throttle position is set-and-forget; the engine
will drone on at the same RPMS and temperature for hours at a time.
The temperature cycling that spalls the ash in an automobile does NOT
occur and thus the ash builds up and glazes over, fouling important
things- like plugs and valves.  

So, aircraft use ashless oils, called "dispersant" oils, to
prevent the ash buildup.  These are actually less effective than
detergent oils at keeping things clean but that's less important than
not creating the ash buildup.

And _that_ is why you should never use car oil in an aircraft engine. 
Use aircraft oil.  You *could* use aircraft oil in a car, but car 
oil is actually better for that application.  And turbine oil, for
jet engines, that's a whole 'nother ball of wax.

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Synthetics-Yea or Nay
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 09:52:00 EST

Some years ago when I was involved with small engines for RC boats, I recall 
a problem that occured when changing from castor based lubricants to 
synthetics. The castor oil resulted in a baked layer over the surfaces of 
the engine which seems to act as a lubricant. The synthetic would scour off 
this layer and cause the engine to seize. Using synthetic from scratch 
caused no problem only changing to synthetic from castor based. I also know 
of a couple of large outboards that seized after changing from "ordinary" 
two stroke mix to Amsoil Synthetic. This may be the problem encountered by 
the aeronautical bunch. IMHO a change to synthetic after running dyno oil 
for only a few miles will be no problem, but is it worth it for engine use 
where you need to change the oil regularly to remove contaminants and you 
thus loose the advantage of long life. Synthetics are great for 
transmissions where they stay for long periods, though they do tend to 
aggravate leaks because of their lower viscosity. YMMV

Trevor "Leaks, what leaks" Easton Series IIA SWB SW, Grimsby , Ont

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:12:03 -0500
From: benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/Kris Benedict)
Subject: How much water can a Disco do?

Hi all:

Okay, last week we had the blizzard.  Now we have rain, rain and more rain.
It's comming down fast and with all the snow melting it's making a great
test area for  what rovers will do in water.  If anyone know's what they'll
do let me know.  Hopefully, I'll get a little play time before it freezes
tonight.  I'm glad I have my rover or I'd be really sick of all of this!

I'm only on the Daily Digest, so please reply to me and send a CC to the
digest. 

Thanks!

Kris

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:14:33 -0800
From: vandecar@nwlink.com (Ted VanDecar)
Subject: LRO Digest 

Would someone send today's (January 19) LRO Digest?

Something or one deleted all my "in messages".

Ted Van Decar  <vandecar@nwlink.com>
Bellevue, Washington, USA

94 D90 Slo-Mo 
Warm regards,

Ted

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:36:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Automaster
From: "Andrew A. Dallas" <adallas@systemsoft.com>

Amusingly, I'm from Mass and drove all the way to Automaster to pick up 
my 1995 D90. It had about 13K on it but the price they gave me was FAR 
better than anything I found in Mass. The salesman there, Randy Adams, 
was great. I have had a few minor problems with the vehicle but Land 
Rover Metro West has been wonderful in taking care of them. I was 
planning on purchasing from LRMW but the opportunity in VT was too much 
to refuse.
-AD

>Jeff:
>        Here's a funny story about Automaster. Me and 3 of my friends
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 30 lines)]
>        -dustin
>"blah blah blah"

*************************************************
            Andrew A. Dallas
            Full Spectrum Software
            360 Market St.
            Suite 18
            Brighton, MA 02135, USA
            (617) 782-9829
            on-site office: (508) 647-2948
            adallas@tiac.net
            http://www.tiac.net/users/adallas/
*************************************************

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 10:41:15 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Synthetic oils

Craig,
No!
Go for it!  wont hurt anything. Spend that extra cash. Spend, , !!!

The debate rages on if it's better, but it won't hurt anything. 
(Think of it as buying a fine brew for your rover instead of letting her 
drink
the cheap stuff). Ha!

Always willing to help other people spend money.

Just kidding about the money not the oil!

Barnett
Admitted synthetic oil user
Childress 

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From: slade@teleport.com
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:55:41 -0800
Subject: nit picking

Ok,  several things lateley have been just bugging me on my 109 SW, so I
thought I'd ask the list for a fix.

1.  My Hi/Low shift lever rattles at road speed (all of them) and I can't
see where I could tighten it.

2.  My grille (late IIA) buzzes at engine idle.  Does anyone shim their
grille with felt or something?

3.  I put in Hella Vision lights and really like them,, but where can I
find the 65/100 watt replacement bulbs?  If I put them in am I likely to
fry a wire in the harness?

4.  How is everyone sealing up the little cracks, spaces and gaps in the
floorboards, bulkhead, etc?

5.  There's a weird kind of film/gunk on my steering wheel, and I was
wondering if anything will remove it.

6.  My turn signal lever is awfully stiff.  I've tried everything I can
think of and it still isn't as loose as my last 88.

Hmm, that's all I guess for now.

Thanks for the listening ear.

Lter,

Michael

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Date: 19 Jan 96 10:46:47 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Wan rovers and kids

     What a wonderful idea!!!!!! kids going nuts about wan rovers.
     
     first kid due at the end of April, started reading winnie the pooh to 
     him (we know its a boy) a few days ago. 
     
     scratch that switching to LRO, then ken slavins' The unbeatable 4x4, 
     onto tom Shepards (?spelling) book on off road driving which is the 
     best book i have ever seen on the subject before the kid is born. 
     
     I'll have that kid saying wan rover before he comes home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
     regards
     Regards
     chris browne 
     brit in boston
     95 wan rover discovery

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:08:15 -0500
From: "Craig R. Jett" <cjett@voicenet.com>
Subject: RE: How much water can a Disco do?

Kris and others

Check out http://www.voicenet.com/~cjett/interest.html 

Which has a few pictures showing me taking my Disco through water above 
the hood - probably not advised - but I have had no problems since.

Let me know what you think.

Craig Jett
Yardley, PA
95 Discovery - Alpine White

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:17:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Polarity...

	The big green beastie is going to get a CB radio this spring.
	However, it seems that the manufacturers of such devices have
	seen fit to discriminate against those with positive earth
	vehicles.  Since I have the CB radio, the 109 is positive earth,
	and I am one to like to leave polarity alone, the negative
	earth CB is going in.  Not to worry, it will be isolated and
	all that rot.  That isn't the problem.  The antenna however
	is a slightly greater concern.  Intro finished...

	I cannot connect the antenna to the vehicle, thus allowing
	the antenna to have a ground plane.  Connecting the antenna
	will make the electronics in the radio feel a bit sick.  If I
	recall my E&M from years past are 1 and 2 correct?

	1.	A half wave antenna resonates within its self. Thus 
		zero gain, but will work.  It will see ground plane 
		but will not take advantage of it

	2.	A full wave antenna the ground plane is consummed 
		within the antenna.

	The antenna will be mounted on an insulated base strapped/
	attached to the spare mounted on the bonnet.  Nice and central
	as well as providing a convient point to attach.  Granted,
	being over the engine & electrics there isn't necessarily
	great, but mounting the antenna is a greater initial concern.
	JC Whitless has a nice fibreglass full wave antenna, but I am
	not sure if it will work.  I think hafl wave will.

	Comments?

	Rgds,

	Dixon "i tend to be stubborn about some things"

	PS, I will change the generator/regulator for an alternator
	eventually, but I have not had time to flip the diodes in the 11acr
	to make it into a positive earth alternator...

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From: slade@sisna.com
Subject: New address
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 09:36:22 -0700 (MST)

Announcement:

This is our new e-mail address:

Slade@sisna.com

Please make changes were applicable.

Thanks,

Michael, Polla & Connor

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:33:59 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: Synthetic oils

On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Craig R. Jett wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> All
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Craig Jett
> Yardley, PA
i switched to SYNTEC with 30,000 on my rr---no prob!

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 08:49:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Edwards <edwardsj@ohsu.EDU>
Subject: Front receiver installation

I installed a RN front receiver by myself without too much difficulty, 
but it would be easier with some help. I ended uo removing the front air 
dam as I could not manage to get the receiver in place bymyself with it 
in place. Since it is so easy to take off and reinstall, I'd recommend 
removing it first in any case.

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Date: 19 Jan 1996 08:46:29 U
From: "Bill Wright" <Bill_Wright@cpqm.saic.com>
Subject: [1]The Land Rover Owner Dai

        Reply to:   [1]The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Warmest regards from Costa Rica.  I currently plan to return to the office on
January 29th.  If you absolutely need to contact me while I'm on vacation,
both Lynda Houston and Millie Steele have my itinerary and phone numbers.
I'll take action on your e-mail as soon as I can.
Bill
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Date: 1/19/96 8:31 AM
From: Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.co

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	  Contents:
  1 howtaw@hg.uleth.ca Thu Jan 18 03:24   24/1200  Which whinch & Big Sky La
  2 steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com Thu Jan 18 05:03   54/2795  Spinning 90s and
roof cab
  3 Bill_Wright@cpqm.saic.com Thu Jan 18 05:15  105/5555  [1]The Land Rover
Owner D
  4 azw@aber.ac.uk     Thu Jan 18 06:02   37/2030  How to Spin Out a D90
  5 terje@tvnorge.no   Thu Jan 18 06:56   34/1453  Transmission brake (Was: 
  6 BDaviscar@aol.com  Thu Jan 18 07:40   26/1306  Hand cranking story
  7 Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com Thu Jan 18 08:17   41/2269  RE:
Transmission brake
  8 RICHARD_COLEMAN@fmso.navy.mil Thu Jan 18 08:35   38/2099  Re: Used RR
  9 sstricklin@pace.atl.ga.us Thu Jan 18 08:44   32/1735  Thanks for the
advise
 10 dmorris@med.unc.edu Thu Jan 18 09:21   23/1081  disco storage box
 11 rvirzi@gte.com     Thu Jan 18 09:22   37/1729  RE: Hi-lift jack in a RR,
 12 johnc@itsnet.com   Thu Jan 18 09:33  104/5144  Moab trip report in d90 (
 13 THOMSE-U@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk Thu Jan 18 09:55   55/2426  Senders
 14 Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com Thu Jan 18 10:05   38/2148  RE:
Hi-Lift - Disco Mount
 15 dbobeck@ushmm.org  Thu Jan 18 10:25   26/1465  Re: Thanks for the advise
 16 trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU Thu Jan 18 10:30   44/1760  Re: hand cranking
 17 PurnellJE@aol.com  Thu Jan 18 10:44   21/1161  Re:  over 90 mph, doing 1
 18 PurnellJE@aol.com  Thu Jan 18 10:44   27/1319  Re: D90 mph govenor
 19 stretch@vol.net    Thu Jan 18 10:46   21/1241  LR World tel no.
 20 jib@big.att.com    Thu Jan 18 10:51   51/2835  misc ramblings
 21 trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU Thu Jan 18 11:00   38/1574  parts in the us
 22 dkenner@emr1.emr.ca Thu Jan 18 11:30   29/1305  Re: LR World tel no.
 23 Harincar@mooregs.com Thu Jan 18 11:39   43/1918  Corrupting the minds of c
 24 PBURKE@american.edu Thu Jan 18 11:47   30/1842  95 Disco - recommendation
 25 cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us Thu Jan 18 11:57   39/2147  breaking things
with the 
 26 brabyn@skivs.ski.org Thu Jan 18 12:25   46/1938  Re: airsprings
 27 cs@crl.com         Thu Jan 18 12:37   44/2259  Re: Parts in the US
 28 mfredett@sedona.intel.com Thu Jan 18 12:54   72/4053  Re: Getting a winch
 29 dkenner@emr1.emr.ca Thu Jan 18 13:03   31/1285  Re: Corrupting the minds 
 30 a-robw@microsoft.com Thu Jan 18 13:10   57/3289  RE: Hi-Lift - Disco Mount
 31 barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com Thu Jan 18 13:26  
29/1456  re:breaking things with t
 32 dbobeck@ushmm.org  Thu Jan 18 13:56   31/1728  Re[2]: breaking things wi
 33 smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil Thu Jan 18 14:20   26/1111  Re:  Corrupting
the minds
 34 GElam30092@aol.com Thu Jan 18 14:26   22/1271  Advertisement spotted...
 35 tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us Thu Jan 18 15:06   22/1208  Re: airsprings
 36 chrisste@clark.net Thu Jan 18 15:36   41/1571  [1]The Land Rover Owner D
 37 ericz@cloud9.net   Thu Jan 18 16:14   36/1644  Re: Advertisement spotted
 38 dbobeck@ushmm.org  Thu Jan 18 16:16   37/1723  Re: [1]The Land Rover Own
 39 ib011ca@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us Thu Jan 18 16:36   22/1262  Re: airsprings
-Reply
 40 Land_Rover@msn.com Thu Jan 18 16:48   24/1114  tyre issues, choice
 41 chrisste@clark.net Thu Jan 18 16:54   28/1292  Re: [1]The Land Rover Own
 42 tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us Thu Jan 18 17:19   35/1655  Re: airsprings
-Reply
 43 tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us Thu Jan 18 17:22   40/1609  Re: tyre issues,
choice
 44 johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu Thu Jan 18 17:23   27/1615  Synthetic
oils
 45 paul.c.cooper@carney.ftech.co.uk Thu Jan 18 17:25   33/1875  New Recruit
To LRO reques
 46 Spenny@aol.com     Thu Jan 18 17:37   35/1743  Winter Safari XII-- ME/NH
 47 rover@pinn.net     Thu Jan 18 17:46   44/2595  Used Rang

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:22:30 -0500
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: Re: Polarity...

Dixon asks about CB antennaes for positive ground vehicles, and puts forth
some ideas.

Two additional possibilities come to mind.  Radio Shack makes (or at least
used to make) a marine CB antennae which provided it's own groundplane.
Another idea is a CB antennae that mounts on each side of the windshield
(or any other glass) like a cellular phone antennae.  I had one of these on
my GTi and was very satisfied with it.  Sorry, don't remember the
manufacturer.  Keep us posted.

RoverOn!

JAB

==                                                                      ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
                          ==================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)
==                                                                      ==

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:34:33 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: 4.2 Liter for my '87 RR

On Fri, 19 Jan 1996 JCassidyiv@aol.com wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> I've gotten a couple of replies(thanks very much) re: 4.2 liter cost and
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> her '95 Disco and she's spoiled me by letting me drive it!
> Cheers! John Cassidy  Bangor, Maine USA

re weight---RR/buick V8 long block on pallette weighs in at 500 (aprox) lbs
chev 350 weighs in at 450-500. 350 horsepower vs under 200. also you may
need to revalve the trans. 87 has lower shift points than the newer ones
and the internals might not like any hp increase.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:52:44 -0700
From: Stephen Brown <srbrown@sair020.energylan.sandia.gov>
Subject: Light on speedometer needle, 88 RR

The needles on my speedometer and the temperature gage on my 88 RR do
not light up when the headlights are on. With the binacle cover off, a
look at the bulbs in the startup mode seems to imply that they are all
working. I recall someone saying something about fiberoptic cables
inside there that can come unhooked -- does this ring a bell? Any
suggestions on how to diagnose/fix this problem -- wouldn't want to
get s speeding ticket at night, you know! Thanks.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:58:01 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: re:Suspension/ABS Brakes

Barnet -- I'd strongly advise against taking the Panhard rod or the 
wishbone off. These are what hold the axles in place laterally and 
cannot be done without -- nor do they significantly affect articulation. 

What your source may have been referring to was the sway bars front and 
rear -- these definitely affect articulation and traction, and I think 
are only present (or at least more so) on US Defenders so as to convert 
them into better sports cars and please the automotive journalists.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, barnett childress wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> >Marit comments on the shock absorber being the limit of axle droop.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
> Barnett
> Childress 95 D90 

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 10:13:36 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: 96 FWOTY

Bob--I agree about your analysis of the FWOTY test. They have become 
secretive of late as to how they arrive at the scores; I suspect off-road 
performance counts for not as much as it used to. It was interesting that 
in spite of the "objective scoring" giving the laurels to the Jeep, when 
asked for their favorites subjectively 3 of the testers chose the Range 
Rover. According to some of the comments buried in the text, it clearly 
outshone all others off road by a wide margin. 

A similar test in Peterson's 4WD & Off Road this month also awarded the 
Grand Cherokee the prize. More of a macho show truck magazine, they 
obviously didn't understand anything other than 0-60 times.

A more interesting test of similar vehicles appeared in Automobile 
magazine some time last year, in which the focus was off-road testing. In 
that article, they made no bones about the fact that the RR left all the 
others for dead, and some like the Chevy Blazer should be left at home.

Good luck with your new Discovery -- get it out there on the trails and 
show those Jeeps a thing or two (not that I've ever seen a Grand Cherokee 
out there!)

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Robert Watson (CNA) wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> I was perusing the Feb 96 issue of FourWheeler mag and got a kick out of how 
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>   |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
>  [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
>     \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 13:32:44 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Light on speedometer needle, 88 RR

 I recall someone saying something about fiberoptic cables
inside there that can come unhooked -- does this ring a bell?

Hmm... Series Rovers don't come with "bells".
 

Any suggestions on how to diagnose/fix this problem -- wouldn't want to
get s speeding ticket at night, you know! Thanks.

Don't have to worry much about these either.
                      
Cheers!
Dave "or whistles, for that matter" Bobeck

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:40:48 -0900
From: abalser@merlin.salrm.alaska.edu (Andrew Balser)
Subject: handbrake steering?

I believe I don't understand how handbrake steering would work.  
Could someone please fill me in?

Andrew Balser

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:42:58 -0700
From: Stephen Brown <srbrown@sair020.energylan.sandia.gov>
Subject: Re: Light on speedometer needle, 88 RR

>> I recall someone saying something about fiberoptic cables
>> inside there that can come unhooked -- does this ring a bell?

>Hmm... Series Rovers don't come with "bells".
 
Okay okay, "does this rattle a tailgate chain"?

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:59:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Polarity...

On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Jeffrey A. Berg wrote:

> Two additional possibilities come to mind.  Radio Shack makes (or at least
> used to make) a marine CB antennae which provided it's own groundplane.
>.
	This is an interesting idea, but...

> Another idea is a CB antennae that mounts on each side of the windshield
> (or any other glass) like a cellular phone antennae.  I had one of these on
> my GTi and was very satisfied with it.  
>.
	the problem here is that the antenna is small.  When you are in the
	middle of a forest, hills/ridges about, the biggest antenna is 
	going to help getting range.  (so will power or course) Also, 
	the angle of the windscreen is rather steep on a Land Rover, 
	the steel close by (antenna better be coated so a branch doesn't
	brush it into the roof and make contact electrically) is going to
	make "tuning" it more interesting.

	I much prefer the brute force approach in this one...  Have to check
	with Radio Scrap on the marine antenna & JC Whitless I guess...

	Rgds,

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:48:59 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: Light on speedometer needle, 88 RR

On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Stephen Brown wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> The needles on my speedometer and the temperature gage on my 88 RR do
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there is a fiber optic line that connects to one of the bulbs and is fed
in through the speedo. it sits under the cover on the speedo face where
the needle comes out. it can be disloged at either end. if it is not in
the proper location in the speedo you have to remove the whole binnacle to
open up the face and re position it, on my 87 it has come loose a couple
of times because it is a little too short.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 11:27:47 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: 96 FWOTY

If you have the off road driving primer that accompanies that issue of Four 
Wheeler, check out the section about wading.  You'll see a summary of 
recommended wading depths for different vehicles, most of which were 
determined by Four Wheeler using a tape measure.  They called all the 
manufacturers to get their recommendations, but only two manufacturers had 
an answer: AM General and Land Rover.

Regarding the award, it's also worth noting that three judges (out of how 
many, Bob? 8?) personally favored the Range Rover.  I liked the one judge's 
comment, roughly: "After hearing all the hype about how good these things 
are, I was surprised to find that they really are that good."  

There was a graph showing the prices of the vehicles, but I didn't notice 
whether price contributed points in the contest.  If it did, than certainly 
the Range Rover's astronomical price was a liability.  I imagine after a few 
years, when the R&D costs are recouped, the Range Rover's price will get 
back in line.

-Matt

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From: PDoncaster@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:35:46 -0500
Subject: IIA Radiator Removal??

Thanks to everyone who responded to my Hand Cranking question, I'll write up
a consensus and post it in the next few days. In the meantime, I have a
couple of technical questions I need some help with...

Radiator removal:

The manual indicates removing the fan blades. My fan appears to be a single
unit w/ the blades riveted in position. Do I need to remove the fan to
extract the radiator, and if so, what is the procedure???

Valve Cover Engine Breather:

My breather has a light film of oil built up around the vent slot. Is this a
sign of somthing amiss???
Should I be worried??

Also, in response to my question about bleed screws, someone suggested steel
sleeves that go inside the cylinder during rebuild. What are your opinions on
this? Can we get sleeves in the States?

Peter Doncaster
New Orleans, USA
'64 IIA 88 SF SW

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:48:18 -0600
Subject: Eyebrows & alternative paint schemes

At the risk of being branded a heritic...

Has anyone added eyebrows, a la D90, to a series vehicle? Do the D90's fit an 
88? Who makes them (I see RN only has them listed for the Defenders). How do 
they look?

(as if that wasn't bad enough...)

I'm considering painting the galvanized trim on my IIa black. The PO had 
painted it silver and it looks like crap. I've seen another one with the 
super-high zinc paint that makes it look gray, and I don't really like that 
either. Ultimatly, I'll pop all the trim off and have it regalvanized, but 
I'm looking for the quick, cheap improvement this year until I recover from 
the frame change-over. 

Will black trim look any better than the cheapo silver it is now? Maybe I 
should play around with some photographs in PhotoShop first...

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:51:36 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: IIA Radiator Removal??

Peter Doncaster asks:

> Valve Cover Engine Breather:
> My breather has a light film of oil built up around the vent slot. Is this a
> sign of somthing amiss???
> Should I be worried??

I'm sorry, but I can't resist.
Yes you should be worried that you're not really driving a Land Rover 
if you only have a *light* film of oil.

Now that I got that out of my system, I don't think you really have 
anything to worry about. It is a breather after all and there is 
going to be a certain amount of oily vapor coming out. That's why the 
smog regs require a sealed system.
Now if it gets really bad and starts coming out of your dipstick 
tube, then I'd reckon you have bad rings (or a Land Rover). oops, 
sorry.

On the fan removal, there are four bolts to remove than also retain
the water pump pully.

I've never seen steel sleeves designed specifically for the LR. If I 
was getting some made, I'd go with stainless. I suspect that the 
machine work would cost nearly as much as new cyls.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: 19 Jan 96 12:11:34 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: BIll Wright in Costa Rica

     I emailed Bill in costa rica and all I received as a response was that 
     wretched "I will be out" message that we see every day. I suspect that 
     each time the digest delivers, it automatically responds with the 
     message saying "I will be out". can't win.
     
     chris browne (mad enough to go portafino red)
     95 wan rover discovery (portafino red).
     
      

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 16:26:41 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Suspension/ABS Brakes

John,
I'm confused? I thought a panhard and a sway bar were the same? Where are 
the swaybars located if I look under the vehicle front and rear?
Help!
Barnett

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From: ofiara@albany.net
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:31:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Exxel synthetic oil

        I need some assistance. I have a Series III 1974 Land Rover 88 with
a Series IIA tranny. Shortly after I bought the vehicle 9 years ago, I put
synthetic teflon based oil in the tranny, and a high temp moly synthetic in
the overdrive.  They work fantastic - no wear - no noise - no problems.
        The synthetic oil is called Exxel or Exxel Therma-Lube out of
Montreal or Lachine Quebec, Canada.  I've been told that Trans-Canada
truckers use this stuff, and it is superb. Guess what- a few months ago when
I went back to Montreal the place is gone or is no longer in Lachine.
        Can someone help me find where this company has gone to?  Has it
moved elsewhere? Has the name changed? Did somebody buy them out? Any leads
would be greatly appreciated. Does anyone in Ottawa Valley Land Rovers know?
You folks are my Rovers last hope.  Please post your answers to the list.  
                                                Dave Ofiara
                                                88 Quevic Drive 
                                                Saratoga Springs, New York 12866
                                                LROA #479

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:39:16 GMT -0600
Subject: models

For US residents interested, I found some LR models from a place in 
Italy. If I can't find a source in the US for them I think I might 
order some from Italy. The shipping  is $20 US for the first 
kilo and $10 for each addtional kilo. One kilo is about three models.
In case anyone else wants some.

You can see a list of them and images of seven of them at:
http://www.cdr.wisc.edu/staff/tom's_models.html

The number at the end of each line is the price in Lira as of today.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:59:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: IIA Radiator Removal??

On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Tom Rowe wrote:

> I'm sorry, but I can't resist.

	There you go giving away secrets again...

> Yes you should be worried that you're not really driving a Land Rover 
> if you only have a *light* film of oil.

	Of course the oil film should be light at this time of year.  It's
	Winter you know.  To aid in starting the 2.25l engine you must
	dilute the 20w50 with ample supplies of gasoline.  Land Rover
	used to offer a special kit for Canadian spec. Land Rovers.
	In short it addressed the problem that gasoline, being rather
	volatile, tended to evaporate out of the breathers & thus
	required the operator to continue to add more gasoline to
	the sump.  The kit solved this labourous task by diverting a
	small amount of gasoline from the fuel pump (note how the
	crankcase vent is on the same side of the engine as the fuel pump)
	directly into the sump through a small tube welded on to the
	crankcase breather pipe.  In later years, this welded bit
	was used in the pcv system to return the gases to the carberettor,
	recycling them so the sump injected gasoline didn't go to waste as well 
	as giving added power and performance.  A later kit addressed
	the need to divert these hoses from the carberettor into the
	left and right frame rails in the summer to pre-oil the frame
	for the coming winter salt.  Call Lanny at Rovers North.  They
	may have some NOS kits up in the attic somewhere.

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:13:07 -0600
From: William Owen <ib011ca@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  RE: tyre issues -Reply and RR angle question

>If you want to switch to some more commonly available size, I gather 
225-75-R16 is OK, being almost exactly the same outside diameter 

Whats the aspect ration on the RR classic oem Michelin 205's?  I've
always seen it listed as just 205R16 which I thought meant 100%. 
However, I don't really think its that tall.

Also, does anyone know the claimed breakover angle, approach and
departure angles for stock pre airspring RR's?  A toyota (yuk) friend
wants to compare and if the RR is better I'll tell him :)

Thanks

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:20:07 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: IIA Radiator Removal??

> 	for the coming winter salt.  Call Lanny at Rovers North.  They
> 	may have some NOS kits up in the attic somewhere.
 
mmhmm. Reminds me of the boilermaker that sent a friend of mine for a 
bucket of steam. He was wise enough to go home for the rest of the 
day. Not so the helper I had that went looking for a kink in the 
cable when my welder died. I only felt a little guilty.

Pretty soon, Dixon, Lanny isn't going to take calls from *you*.   :-)

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Suspension/ABS Brakes
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:19:10 -0800

>From: 	barnett 
childress[SMTP:barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com]
>Subject: 	re:Suspension/ABS Brakes
>John,
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>Help!
>Barnett

The "Panhard" rod runs parallel to the axle and connects the frame to the 
top of the axle housing providing the lateral alignment of the axle. 

The Sway bar connects one side of the axle to a bar that travels parallel to 
the axle though mounted to the frame at each end, then is connected to the 
other side of the axle. Sometimes there are some small connecting rods at 
each end of the sway bar  to connect it to the axle. The torsion of the 
swaybar steadys the roll in a  turn (and limits whell travel a bit). The 
Panhard rod is usually thicker in diameter than the sway bar. 

The (2) radius arms run length-wise to the vehicle and connect the axle to 
the frame on each side of the axle and position the axle longitudinally. 
Longer radius arms enhance wheel travel  (look at a desert racer or monster 
truck to see extreme examples of this).
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:20:01 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: re:Suspension/ABS Brakes

On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, barnett childress wrote:
panhard rods run front to back on each side=sway bars run side to side one
front one rear! > 
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> John,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Help!
> Barnett

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:35:22 -0800
From: Tom Williams <tbwill@interserv.com>
Subject: Disco Ski Carriers

Patty Burke wrote:
>I am planning a ski trip to Canada (Sault St. Marie) and would like
>recommendations for ski carriers.
 
I took my Disco's luggage rack cross bars out from under the rear seat to look 
at them the other day and noticed they were very similar in cross section to my 
Thule roof rack crossbars(I think Thule makes the racks for Land Rover). I 
crawled up in the attic and retreived my Thule racks which have the Thule angled 
ski carriers mounted on them. To my pleasant surprise the ski carriers clamped 
on the Disco bars just like they do on the Thule bars. The only modification I 
had to make was replace the standard hex head clamp bolts on the bottom of the 
ski carriers with M6X10mm metric cap screws so that there would be sufficient 
clearance between the roof and the bolts at the rear cross bar. Save yourself 
some money and find some Thule ski carriers. Take one of your Disco cross bars 
to a sporting goods dealer that stocks Thule racks and see what you can find. 
Good luck and good skiing. The local area here received about 2-3 feet from the 
latest series of storms so I may hit the slopes this weekend.

Tom Williams
Fresno, California
'95 Discovery

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 20:15:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Alan Hood <alanh@merlin.nhmccd.cc.tx.us>
Subject: Swaping RR 1990-1991 ECU s

If I am correct then 1990 was the first year Range Rovers had ABS.
I also understand that 1991 was the first year Electronic Traction Controll
was available. Since the only difference I can think of would be the software
in the ECU, would swapping the ECU from a 1991 model work on a 1990 RR?
I know that the ETC light would not be there, and possible not the "ding",
but if that
s the only drawback then fine.

Alan Hood

"Have you driven a fiord lately?"

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 18:08:54 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Range Rover tires

>Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 22:46:43 UT
>From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> Subject: RE: tyre issues, choice

>OEM Tyres, 205/16 XM+S244 are no longer available, except those that have
them in stock.

>I can't find anyone here in the MA, NH, VT area that has any, not that I
have tried EVERY tire
>dealer.

>Mark

Mark and All,

The Michelin model XM&S244 tire has been replace by their model 4x4.  I
spoke with Michelin about these just a week or so ago.  Michelin's number is
1-800-847-3435.  When installing the 4x4s they say both tires on the same
axle need to be replaced.

Try calling The Tire Rack in Indiana for these tires at 1-800-428-8355.
They are a BIG tire mail order outfit and advertise in Road & Track, Car &
Driver, etc.  I do not have an ad in front of me right now but I remember
seeing the Michelin 4x4 205/16 for about $118-$120 in the ad.  They also
carry BFGs and may be able to answer your questions about going to a 225.

BTW Michelin ran an ad in the November 95 LRO International page 16 where
they tell how the 4x4 is improved over the XM&S244.

Also BTW the Michelin rep explained to me how to tell when a tire was made.
For tires sold in the USA, there is a series of letters and numbers on the
sidewall that start with "DOT".  The last number in this sequence is the
year of manufacture from 1980 to 1989 and if there is a small triangle next
after this number the year of manufacture is in the 1990's.  The 2 numbers
before the last number is the week of the year.  So a DOT number ending in
319 means the tire was made during the 31st week of 1989.

Jeff Kessler
88 Range Rover
Newport New Hampshire
603-863-7883

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 96 11:46:03 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: Haynes Defender workshop manual + v8 motors

1. I can't believe nobody wants the Def. workshop manual for $25.  Other than
the $200 factory manual, it's the only workshop manual available. Oh well...

2. Somebody asked why not plop in a sb Chevy in to replace the 3.5/3.9 v8? 
 Extra 250 lbs up-front, raising vehicle c.g.
   Extra $700 for adaptor plate and motor mounts.  Custom headers/exhaust $???.
Custom plumbing to match radiator and heater hoses.  But it's an option.

3. Does anyone know if the v8 EFI is bank-fired or sequential?

Thanks
Jan

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From: 73363.427@compuserve.com
Date: 19 Jan 96 18:51:47 EST
Subject: Bleed Screws

After destroying a slave cylinder a few years ago, trying to remove a broken
bleed screw. I replaced the bleed screws with a set of Stainless Steel ones that
I got from British Northwest. I think a set of five was $25, but that was a
while ago. You should *CHECK* their prices before ordering. I figure if it saves
me one wheel cylinder, it was well worth it. They not only don't corrode, but
are stronger too. I figure they will last me through quite a few wheel cylinders
and save me from at least one headache.

  
     -------------------       
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     |   ###   |     |      
   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88 "Eloise"
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_______________________]
     |\/|           |\/|

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 19-Jan-1996

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:01:38 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: RE: tyre issues -Reply and RR angle question

I think the aspect ration is 82% for the 205R16's, giving an outside 
diameter of about 29 1/4 inches.

The approach and departure angles for RRs are 30 degrees with the spoiler 
on and 40 (approach) with it off, from memory (someone please correct me). 
The breakover is about 30 degrees too.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89 RR

On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, William Owen wrote:

> Whats the aspect ration on the RR classic oem Michelin 205's?  I've
> always seen it listed as just 205R16 which I thought meant 100%. 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> wants to compare and if the RR is better I'll tell him :)
> Thanks

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 15:56:47 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: re:Suspension/ABS Brakes

Barnett -- just to clarify -- the Panhard rod is in front of the front
axle and is simply a straight bar connecting the chassis on one side to
the axle at the other. It merely locates the axle to stop it moving from 
side to side, and has next to no effect on vertical movement.

The sway bars are behind both axles in vehicles so fitted, and are
connected to the chassis and axles on both sides in a cunning manner so
they don't inhibit vertical axle movement if both wheels on an axle go up
and down in unison, but when one wheel goes up and the other down the sway
bars twist and supply a counteracting force. The intention, of course, is
to maintain a flatter attitude in fast cornering. They do, but they also
act to reduce contact force between a drooping wheel and the terrain
underneath, thus reducing available traction (even while the wheel may
still be on the ground). 

These insidious effects occur even for quite small vertical wheel
movements, so less traction is available any time the terrain varies from
dead flat. When it's muddy and steep, this can make quite a difference. 

Hope this is helpful

Cheers

John

John Brabyn
89RR

On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, barnett childress wrote:

> John,
> I'm confused? I thought a panhard and a sway bar were the same? Where are 
> the swaybars located if I look under the vehicle front and rear?
> Help!
> Barnett

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Date: 19 Jan 96 19:03:40 EST
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Beer bottles

Has the invention of the twist off beer bottle cap made ser 2 dashboards
obsolete ?

 Our creator pre dated land rover by thousands of years, he gave homosapiens
teeth, thus I do not need to scratch the paintwork on my bulkhead.

 Regards  Bill Leacock   Limey in exile

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:12:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Gordon Rea 660-0216 (NTO Vanc.) <grea@net.gov.bc.ca>
Subject: SMOG Testing Statistics

To get your vehicle licenced in Vancouver, BC., you have to pass 
a Emission Test (AirCare test) every year. Today a local newspaper
published the results of these tests over the past 4 months. They
listed the % of vehicles that FAIL the test. I was quite surprised
to see that the Range Rover had the best results of the 33 makes
listed with only 1% failure rate!
Why am I so surprized??
Well, when I take my '65 IIa through the SMOG test they list
it as a Range Rover, as they don't have a catagory for LandRover.

Here is a short list of some of the Failure Rate stats.

1st RangeRover  1%
2nd Toyota      1.3%
3rd Subaru      2.3%
..  Mercedes    4.5%
..  Ford Trucks 5.8%
..  GM Trucks   15%
32  Lada        36.9%
33  Skoda       62.5%

BTW, I just noticed this morning that a swivel ball seal is leaking.
This must have just started in the past couple days! Who brought
up that topic!!

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:18:34 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Swaping RR 1990-1991 ECU s

On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Alan Hood wrote:

> If I am correct then 1990 was the first year Range Rovers had ABS.
> I also understand that 1991 was the first year Electronic Traction Controll
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> but if that
> s the only drawback then fine.

To my knowledge the first year with traction control was 1993. 

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:21:05 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Range Rover tires

Jeff -- 

Many thanks for this info which I didn't know about.

Is the 4x4 tire claimed to be better off road as well as on, or just 
another step in the trend towards street tire specialization?

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Jeff & Laura Kessler wrote:

> The Michelin model XM&S244 tire has been replace by their model 4x4.  I
> spoke with Michelin about these just a week or so ago.  Michelin's number is
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 28 lines)]
> 88 Range Rover
> Newport New Hampshire
> 603-863-7883

------------------------------

Date: 19 Jan 96 19:03:41 EST
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Whitworth Screwthreads

Tebbin Salveson and Teri Ann please note that Wentworth is a golf course.
WHITWORTH is a screw thread form .

Regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile

------------------------------

From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:06:12 -0500
Subject: Trailer wiring access in Disco

The access panel for the trailer wire plug is behind the right hand 
jump seat in my NAS Disco. Access to this and replacing the tail 
light bulbs seems to require removing the seat. On the other ah the 
lest hand jump seat does not block the access panel.

Why, pray tell, did they put the access for the trailer wire on the
hard to get side? Is there an easier access to the right hand tail 
light bulbs?

--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:06:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Keys (RR content) (fwd)

Somene wrote:
> It is XJ( or maybe i)70 an Ilco blank and works perfectly. Could you  
> post this for people. It takes no strange cutting with this blank.  
 
This appears to be true for a 95 Disco and perhaps others, but not my 
96 NAS Disco. The blank is an Ilco X170 (that is X-ray one seven 
zero). The key will not come out of the ignition. The head needs to 
be ground back to give room for the key to be pushed into the ignition 
to remove it. Be sure to have many Dremel (or local equivalent) 
blades handy before starting to remove the key from the ignition.

I now have a Disco key without the plastic.

--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:06:12 -0500
Subject: Re: 95 Disco - recommendations for transport of snow skis?

On 18 Jan 96 at 11:32, Patty Burke wrote:

. . . .
> The other choice, the trailer hitch-mounted Sports rack/bike carrier
> (part # RRNA0923BK) and the ski carrier attachment (part # LRNA0923SKI)
> might be appealing (I'm a "short people") if the hitch-mounted carrier
> did not have to be permanently mounted.
. . . .

I have the receiver mounted ski rack. It does NOT have to be 
permanently mounted. It goes on and off easily with one bolt to 
tighten and two clips. Or do you mean something else by "permanently 
mounted"? 

--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:06:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Disco Defects to Date (for new or prospective buyers)

On 18 Jan 97 at 16:57, John B. Friedman wrote:
. . . .
> 6) 11.5K crack in driver side mirror glass from trying to adjust the  
> mirrow in very cold weather. Looks like part of mirror moved and part  
> did not.
. . . .

Samthing happened to me on the first very cold day this winter. 
Cracked from top to bottom about one quarter of the way out from 
door. 

--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com

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Date: 19 Jan 96 11:47:18 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Ski racks

     
     the LR ski accessories with part numbers including "TH" are all THULE 
     products. Coincidentally enough the THXXX part number matches up with 
     the Thule part number exactly. Might be worth checking prices out at 
     your local ski shop for comparison purposes.
     
     On my 95 Discovery, I took the cross bars (if you haven't found them 
     yet they are under the rear seat) and attached 2 thule 6 ski holders 
     (the one with rubber blades) directly to the cross bars and carried 
     cross country skis on without clearance problems. the longest skis are 
     215cm. 
     
     even though I am 6ft3ins it is a long way up to the roof. the only way 
     to safely put the skis up there is to open the door and stand on the 
     floor of the vehicle. do NOT stand on the black plastic bit under the 
     door way to wimpy for that. 
     
     Last but not least avoid low roofed multi story car parks with 
     anything on your disco. it is 6 ft 5.5 as it plus the ski rack .....
     
     Chris Browne
     95 Wan Rover Discovery
     

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From: LRRobDog@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:26:28 -0500
Subject: ROVER RENTALS

I have just learned that Enterprise rental car now has discos for rent!
This is a new development and not all locations have rovers in there fleet!
In CA the rate quoted me was $ 89.00 a day.
But this can vary form place to place.
When I called there 800 number the operator didn’t know form Rovers.
D 90 to fallow I can only hope and pray.
No I do not work for Enterprise!
LR ROB DOG
52 S1 80 ALMOST RUNNING

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:25:01 -0500
From: skillman@clark.net (Robert E Skillman)
Subject: Re: Light on speedometer needle, 88 RR

>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>The needles on my speedometer and the temperature gage on my 88 RR do
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>suggestions on how to diagnose/fix this problem -- wouldn't want to
>get s speeding ticket at night, you know! Thanks.
Stephen,
     I have a 87 RR which had similar problem.  There are about 21 panel
light bulbs in a RR dash.  I believe all but one are identicle ( ignition
is 2 watt instead on 1.2 watt).  six of the bulbs provide illumination for
tach,speedo, and guages.  Looking at the BACK of the dash, the bulbs for
the speedo are at approx. 11, 2, and 4 O'clock.  The tach bulbs are at 11,
2, and 6 O,clock.  Try swapping bulbs around as a bulb which appears good
often isn,t.
     Best of Luck, Bob Skillman

------------------------------

From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:36:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Eyebrows & alternative paint schemes

In a message dated 96-01-19 16:13:10 EST, you write:

>At the risk of being branded a heritic...
>Has anyone added eyebrows, a la D90
,
What I've done with my red Defender, was add a light flame effect with some
orange lacquer mixed with clear, so as the red comes through, it really takes
on that late 60's drag race Nova look to it.  Especially with the square
fenders.  As far as being branded a heretic, Tony, Tom, and Arnold haven't
shot me yet for doin' this to a Rover, , so you gotta be OK with the
eyebrows...
JOhn, Flamed, tubbed, lowered, 60's style Defender90 (11.60s @ 127.33mph - -
IN THE SNOW!!)

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From: HMEdwards@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 22:06:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Synthetic oils

John,

Mobil did have problems with their aviation synthetic fuel.  Most of it came
about because of the use of lead in aviation fuel and the inability of the
oil to scavange the lead away and hold it in suspension.  This is caused by
oil temps on the order of 180 C and large swings in the temperature of the
cylinders and block due to rapid descents with associated ambient temperature
swings.  You should have no such problems in a car and to match their descent
rates you would have to get LOTS of air on you next grandstand event.  
I have used Mobil 1 for over 125,000 miles in three different cars and had
zero problems with it.  If you can afford the cost of synthetic oil with
every oil change, then by all means do it.
As a side note, the US Air Force uses synthetic in their newer fighter
engines.  Albeit, a tad more refined than what we need.

Harry Edwards
72 Series III
Las Vegas

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 11:59:02 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: re:: Hi-Lift Disco Mount

> Mark, 
> I would be VERY interested to know if the company your speaking about that 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Thanks for any help
> Barnett Childress

The design of these mounts is really very simple.  I would think that 
anyone with a moderate degree of welding skill (not me), would be able to 
fabricate one with little difficulty. Would probably be cheaper than 
shipping a lump of steel from Oz.

Cheers.  Tony.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:01:07 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: IIA Radiator Removal??

Dixon
I have used my 2 meter rig using an antenna mounted on a plate that sits 
on suction cups.  The plate was held to the roof with cutter straps oy 
nylong so there was no contact with the body of the vehicle.  The plate 
was aluminum and there were 4 of the old type 3" cups sitting on the 
roof.  It worked fine.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:08:14 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: -40 C

If you want to really see what driving a brick is like, come to Winnipeg 
right now.  Last night we hit -38 C here and tonight -40 with a -58 
windchill is forcast.  I took the Land Rover out yesterday and it ran 
fine but it was like driving a deep feezer down the street.  With the two 
heaters going it was just warm enough to keep from freezing.  Just west 
of us it hit -51C in Wasagaming a small village in our national park.  We 
expect this to last another few days.  All this while Dixon and crew are 
basking in +10 or more.  St. Catherens Ontario hit +15 today.  Couldn't 
we share?  I have found that with a radiator muff, battery blanket, block 
heater, two interior heaters and a well tuned engine I can start at 
almost any temp. even after the machine sits outside for a day.  I have 
another vehicle I never plug in and it starts every day even at -40. It 
is a 1979 so it is no spring chicken. Have a nice day. Dave VE4PN

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 22:19:13 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: Whitworth Screwthreads

On 19 Jan 1996, William L. Leacock wrote:
dont you mean BOLT thread ----- pop quiz what is the most important
whitworth size to keep with your P-51?? > 
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Tebbin Salveson and Teri Ann please note that Wentworth is a golf course.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> WHITWORTH is a screw thread form .
> Regards  Bill Leacock  Limey in exile

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 13:56:05 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: -40 C

> If you want to really see what driving a brick is like, come to Winnipeg 
> right now.  Last night we hit -38 C here and tonight -40 with a -58 
> windchill is forcast.  I took the Land Rover out yesterday and it ran 

Three days this week over 43C, lowest max temp this month 34C, lowest min 
temp 24C.  Last time the max temp was below 30C was 10th October.

Perhaps if we average it all we might get something civilised!

Cheers.  Tony.

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 01:41:14 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Re: Range Rover tires

John

As I was told the 4x4 tire replaces the XM&S244 in their line up.  In the
LRO International ad, Michelin calls it one of 4 tires in their all terrain
range and say it has improved safety on dry surfaces, reduced braking
distance in wet, extra grip on ice and snow and greater ground contact than
the XM&S244. 

At 04:21 PM 1/19/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Jeff -- 
>Many thanks for this info which I didn't know about.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 45 lines)]
>> 88 Range Rover
>> Newport New Hampshire
>> 603-863-7883

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 02:03:18 -0500 (EST)
From: John Pertalion <ap12536@xx.acs.appstate.edu>
Subject: SII/IIA Transmission

I'm looking for a transmission for my '60 SII88, preferably a suffix B.  I'm
going to rebuild my broken trans, but would like to keep driving the beast
whilst having a go at the rebuild.  If you have one you'll part with, call
me at 704.266.8382 or e-mail ap12536@xx.acs.appstate.edu.

When the transmission gave up, the Rover had a cargo of four kids on 
board: ages 4 - 7.  We had to walk out about 2 miles on a logging road
to get help.  The kids thought it was all part of the trip.

John Pertalion
'60 SII 88" "Gumdrop"

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 21:21:45 -0500
Subject: Combo tow bar and jaw

Anyone know if a combination tow bar and jaw would work on a NAS 
Disco? I see LR has them in U.K. as part RTC8159.

--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: howtaw@hg.uleth.ca
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 00:07:10 MST
Subject: get lro-digest digest.96.01

get lro-digest digest.96.01

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 18:32:50 +1100 (EST)
From: Dean Cording <dean@holly.aspect.com.au>
Subject: Re: ROVER RENTALS

On Fri, 19 Jan 1996 LRRobDog@aol.com wrote:

> I have just learned that Enterprise rental car now has discos for rent!
> This is a new development and not all locations have rovers in there fleet!
> In CA the rate quoted me was $ 89.00 a day.

Yep but I bet they have a 'no off-road' clause in the rental contract.

Dean

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                                               86 Northbourne Ave
Dean.Cording@aspect.com.au  (Work)             Canberra, ACT, 2601, AUSTRALIA
Dean@holly.aspect.com.au    (Private)          ACN. 005 083 670

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