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From: howtaw@hg.uleth.ca
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:24:09 MST
Subject: Which whinch & Big Sky Land Rover

This will be real quick!
	Buy the Warn whinch, I've used and/or owned the M8000, 8724, & the 
	9000 and I love them.  Much better than the other electric whinches
	that I have used. (for Thom Bruce)

Someone asked about Big Sky Land Rover in Montana.  If a guy named Creed Evans
has anything to do with them be carefull!  (I don't know if he is Big Sky
or not but he does work out of Montana, How many used LR parts guys could 
be in Big Sky Country?)

Andrew Howton

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 05:02:28 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Spinning 90s and roof cables

You have a slight problem in spinning 90s. The normal technique in a car
is using the handbrake. Daryl has already suggested why not to do that.
  
The only way to do it is with loads of power at low speeds. All you need
to do is trundle forwards slowly, turn hard to one side and boot it. You
will need huge amounts of power though and preferably locking diffs
everywhere. With a lot of luck you will break traction with all 4 wheels
and the truck (note not a car!) will spin pretty much on the spot, the
technical term for this is a doughnut (named after the tyre marks you
leave!).
  
The low speed is so that WHEN (not if) you roll it will not do too much
damage.
  
It was very well demonstrated by Colin McRae after he won the RAC. He
had some very clever diffs, a low centre of gravity and a 400 BHP
engine. Not to mention driver skill. Which of these does your 90 have?
  
Fortunately my series III does them when I want in 2 wheel drive, but
the C of G is sufficiently high that I only do it when there is no other
way of turning in the available space. Not to mention the fact you could
kill lots of people, loose your license, break something expensive, etc.
  
The wires running from roof to bull bar have two uses. Drying clothes
and decapitating pedestrians and motorcyclists that you hit.
  
For the former I suggest a tumble dryer. For the latter I suggest
several years of psychiatric therapy afterwards. Could you really live
with yourself after having a body hit the wind screen in two pieces,
knowing that there was no useful purpose served by the fashion accessory
that killed someone who would have escaped with a few broken bones
otherwise?
  
Rant complete, Steve
  
Steve Reddock                         Product Evaluation, 26/12
Xyratex                  Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450  Int.721-4450
REDDOCK at HVTVM         Internet: Steve_Reddock@UK.XYRATEX.COM

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Date: 18 Jan 1996 02:12:54 U
From: "Bill Wright" <Bill_Wright@cpqm.saic.com>
Subject: [1]The Land Rover Owner Dai

        Reply to:   [1]The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Warmest regards from Costa Rica.  I currently plan to return to the office on
January 29th.  If you absolutely need to contact me while I'm on vacation,
both Lynda Houston and Millie Steele have my itinerary and phone numbers.
I'll take action on your e-mail as soon as I can.
Bill
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Date: 1/18/96 1:16 AM
From: Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.co

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	  Contents:
  1 azw@aber.ac.uk     Wed Jan 17 04:55   29/1364  Re: Re[2]: land Rover cam
  2 Bill_Wright@cpqm.saic.com Wed Jan 17 05:35  112/5556  [1]The Land Rover
Owner D
  3 azw@aber.ac.uk     Wed Jan 17 06:32   17/850   Mole wrench
  4 M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk Wed Jan 17 06:43   27/1281  Split seals,swivels for t
  5 heiden@tca.fgg.EUR.NL Wed Jan 17 07:24   61/3034  Purchasing a SIIa in the

  6 skidmore@mitre.org Wed Jan 17 07:35   51/2397  Re: The Land Rover Owner 
  7 barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com Wed Jan 17 07:52  
80/4021  re:Getting a Winch!
  8 terje@tvnorge.no   Wed Jan 17 08:25   38/1603  Re: Split seals,swivels f
  9 ross@secant.com    Wed Jan 17 08:34   28/1255  New type of waving
 10 asd1@ukc.ac.uk     Wed Jan 17 08:41   51/2105  Re:swivel seals & help
 11 dreams@nexusprime.org Wed Jan 17 08:43   39/2215  Dealer appreciation
 12 M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk Wed Jan 17 09:13   33/1484  Re: Time for a tyre chang
 13 M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk Wed Jan 17 09:20   32/1445  Re: Split seals,swivels f
 14 sstricklin@pace.atl.ga.us Wed Jan 17 09:21   28/1425  How to Spin Out a
D90
 15 sstricklin@pace.atl.ga.us Wed Jan 17 09:23   27/1392  D90 High-Lift Bumper
Adap
 16 sstricklin@pace.atl.ga.us Wed Jan 17 09:29   30/1531  Best Airborne
Stories in 
 17 sstricklin@pace.atl.ga.us Wed Jan 17 09:32   28/1360  D90 mph govenor
 18 terje@tvnorge.no   Wed Jan 17 09:39   40/1783  Re: Split seals,swivels f
 19 sstricklin@pace.atl.ga.us Wed Jan 17 09:42   30/1565  Brush Guard to Roll
Bar O
 20 ericz@cloud9.net   Wed Jan 17 10:02   40/2100  Re: Re. Hand Cranking
 21 ericz@cloud9.net   Wed Jan 17 10:02   24/1239  Re: Big Sky Rovers
 22 dbobeck@ushmm.org  Wed Jan 17 10:12   26/1288  Re: New type of waving
 23 dbobeck@ushmm.org  Wed Jan 17 10:13   34/1778  Re[2]: Split seals,swivel
 24 jfhess@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us Wed Jan 17 10:47   45/2069  capstan winchs
 25 trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU Wed Jan 17 11:00   70/2918  hand cranking and
fuel ad
 26 dbobeck@ushmm.org  Wed Jan 17 11:04   22/1183  Re: Best Airborne Stories
 27 M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk Wed Jan 17 11:05   35/1599  Re[2]: Split seals,swivel
 28 trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU Wed Jan 17 11:07   43/1831  Re: Best Airborne
Stories
 29 JCassidyiv@aol.com Wed Jan 17 11:11   19/1231  4.2 Liter questions
 30 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com Wed Jan 17 11:12   27/1369  Re:
Split seals,saws, for
 31 dbobeck@ushmm.org  Wed Jan 17 11:20   40/2345  Re[3]: Split seals,swivel
 32 dkenner@emr1.emr.ca Wed Jan 17 11:20   53/2596  Re: Brush Guard to Roll B
 33 tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us Wed Jan 17 11:44   28/1565  airsprings
 34 ericz@cloud9.net   Wed Jan 17 12:00   31/1366  Re: Best Airborne Stories
 35 g@ix.netcom.com    Wed Jan 17 12:07   31/1398  RE: Hi-lift jack on RR & 
 36 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Wed Jan 17 12:09   64/2915  Re: Split
seals,swivels f
 37 g@ix.netcom.com    Wed Jan 17 12:09   31/1553  Installing front receiver
 38 oldhaven@biddeford.com Wed Jan 17 12:22   76/3513  Fwd: Re: FW: PCV
 39 RMILLER@Middlebury.edu Wed Jan 17 12:46   34/1991  Big Sky Rovers
 40 dkenner@emr1.emr.ca Wed Jan 17 12:54   30/1225  Re: Best Airborne Stories
 41 RMILLER@Middlebury.edu Wed Jan 17 13:04   38/2207  Free-wheeling hubs
 42 PurnellJE@aol.com  Wed Jan 17 13:11   20/1177  Re: D90 mph govenor
 43 Yrjo.Makinen@picker.fi Wed Jan 17 13:12   52/2635  Range Rover Conversions
 44 usssbkpy@ibmmail.com Wed Jan 17 13:40   67/2888 
 45 dkenner@emr1.emr.ca Wed Jan 17 13:43   45/2037  Re: Big Sky Rovers
 46 Land_Rover@msn.com Wed Jan 17 13:48   20/945   Alternative to a HI-Lift
 47 dbobeck@ushmm.org  Wed Jan 17 14:35   34/1527  Undeliverable message
 48 dkenner@emr1.emr.ca Wed Jan 17 14:37   39/1750  Re

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk
Subject: How to Spin Out a D90
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:58:00 UNDEFINED

>What is the procedure for safely spinning out 180 degrees on a Defender 90 on
>dry pavement without flipping?

None that I've found :(  Rear 180s are fine cos you use the footbrake........

This is one of my pet hates on the lorry - the bloody transmission handbrake. 
You cannot use ti to steer with - a big problem on snow. And I prefer rear 
brake drum handbrakes offroad too -  the same applies in mud re steering, but 
also there are other advantages to having a handbrake which applies to 
different wheels than the transmission (someone posted the problems of 
snapping a halfshaft on a hill with a transmission brake!). E.G. It can be 
used as an ersatz difflock far easier than the footbrake, when your feet are 
needed on clutch and throttle. Also rear drum handbrakes can be used as an 
emergency brake without trashing your vehicle. The LR has NO emergency 
brake!!!!

I can see NO advantage to a transmission brake at all. Folk say they hold 
stronger on hills. Cobblers! If the footbrake holds on hills, then there's no 
reason a handbrake operating the same wheels thru the same brake mechnisms 
cant hold equally well. A weel designed lnkage allows the rear wheels to be 
locked on dry tarmac.

The transmission brake is an abortion pure and simple.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:52:35 +0100
From: terje@tvnorge.no (Terje Krogdahl)
Subject: Transmission brake (Was: How to Spin...)

>I can see NO advantage to a transmission brake at all. Folk say they hold 
>stronger on hills. Cobblers! If the footbrake holds on hills, then there's no 

I agree! I've had problems parking my SIII on icy slopes (such as the
parking lot outside my old apartment building) in the winter, because
one tyre would loose the grip, and rotate forwards while the other
(gripping) tyre would rotate nicely backwards, allowing the car to move
backwards:(

The transmission stood still of course, but I don't want to buy a diff
lock for use when parking...

Terje "TK" Krogdahl
1972 SIII 88" 2.25 petrol

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From: BDaviscar@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:41:10 -0500
Subject: Hand cranking story

Hi All
Just thought you would like to hear this.

A friend Use to do a lot of hand cranking when he was living in england.
as he is not a large man (About 5'7'' & 1XX lbs.) He said he would stand on
the bumper 
and step on the crank and kick it over. His starter was bad and this worked
well... Till one day the engine popped back and he found him-self not
standing on the bumper but the hood of his Rover.  Just think what could
happen if you are not careful.

Bruce  Chicago
67 SIIA 88  Patches

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From: Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com
Date: 18 Jan 96 08:15:03 -0500
Subject: RE: Transmission brake 

I am not a fan of this driveshaft brake. Traditional rear drum parking 
brakes will hold if either rear tire has traction. The LR brake will hold 
only if both rear tires have traction. You learn this the first time you 
park on a hill where the left side (North America) is on dry road and the 
right is on icy slop. It is fun trying to unlock the doors and climb back in 
to put the brakes on as you are sliding down hill!

I have learned to lock the center diff and leave the tranny in gear when 
parking in icy stuff. This will at least hold if either pair of tires (front 
or rear) have sufficient traction. What are the benfits of the LR parking 
brake? I read in an Aussie magazine that they (Australians) preferred this 
type of brake for offroading. What am I missing?

Mark

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:01:48 -0500
From: RICHARD_COLEMAN@fmso.navy.mil (RICHARD COLEMAN)
Subject: Re: Used RR

         Sandy Grice recently asked about caveats regarding
         a used 90 RR he will be looking at. Sandy, you may
         have seen the thread on my 90 RR (the Money Pit). I
         have had to replace many parts on a vehicle with
         less than 66K miles. I'll give you the details if
         you are interested. Have also written a letter to
         Mr Hughes (Pres.--LRNA) concerning the 6 year
         corrosion warranty and the denial of my claim for
         rust repair. A copy went to the RR dealer who at
         least acknowledged my letter and promised to talk
         to the factory rep on his next visit.
             All in all I still like the vehicle and you
         should go look at the one in question. Maybe I just
         got one of those Monday or Friday cars. Good luck.

                              Cheers,
                              Rick
                              90 RR(the Money Pit)
                              88 735i 5sp

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 08:49:05 -400
From: sstricklin@pace.atl.ga.us (Slade Stricklin)
Subject: Thanks for the advise

Thanks everyone for the advise.  This Saturday I have a stunt show at Road
Atlanta where I am now going to be able to bring my D90 up to 110mph then hit
a 30 degree ramp 5 feet high then fly over 4 cars, land on an oposing 15
degree ramps, drive another 15 yards and spin out a 180 degrees.  ESPN 2 will
be there to tape it and I will mail vidio transcripts to those interested.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 09:20:17 EST
From: dmorris@med.unc.edu (Tony Morris)
Subject: disco storage box

Does anybody know of a storage box that will fit in that space in the rear 
of the disco where folddown seats would go if you had them. Have seen for 
other SUVS but not Disco.
Thanks
Tony Morris.

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 09:21:04 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: RE: Hi-lift jack in a RR, gauge location.

John wrote:
No, actually I don't currently have a hi lift, mainly because I don't
know what to use as jacking points on the RR except for the trailer hitch.
. . .
Let me know if you folks have any ideas on where to store and how to use
a hi lift on an RR.

I've been wondering same regarding my disco.  A company called NSC Design
in Scotland sells what they call, "Hi Lift jack socket for Range Rover /
Discovery front."  Kevan Shaw passed this on to me through the list (Thanks
Kev!)  I don't have any experience with the company or the product, but
coupled with Mark Ritter's stock bumper mod and some protective bits for
the underside from Performance Industries, this might be a cheap way to
goose the disco's offroad ability.      -Bob Virzi

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 07:56:33 -0700
From: johnc@itsnet.com (John Christensen)
Subject: Moab trip report in d90 (T.E.D. #775)

December in Utah was unusual due to abnormally warm temperatures
and a lack of snow (I guess we shipped it all to you hardy 
northeasterners so you could play in your Rovers :-)  I took 
advantage of these conditions to head south from Provo for a 
two day and two night camping trip.  This happened to coincide
with the national parks being closed to government sporting 
events so I had the southeastern part of the state pretty much
to myself.  Yes, I did travel alone in some very remote 
environments but I was prepared to hike a couple of days if 
necessary to extricate myself in the event of a breakdown.

I spent the first night and day on the West side of the Green
and Colorado Rivers near the Maze District of Canyonlands.  This
is very remote country.  At one point I was about 60 miles from 
the nearest paved road and about 80 miles from the nearest gas.
The great thing about southern Utah is the fact that national 
park closings don't necessarily affect scenic options.  There
are hundreds of square miles of BLM and State lands adjacent
to the parks that are just as spectacular (and the camping is
free!)

I did some slickrock driving in T.E.D. the first day.  Traction
on slickrock is simply amazing.  I approached a fun little 
grade from a level rock.  The angle of the grade was steep 
enough that I scraped my back bumper a tad (D90s as I understand
it, have the steepest approach and departure angles in stock 
vehicles).

I didn't see another single vehicle the whole first day.  Camping
out was an amazine experience.  The sun set around 5:00pm so I 
spent quite a bit of time next to my small fire gazing into the 
stars.  It was incredibly QUIET!  No birds, crickets, planes,
boy scouts (I camped with a lot of them!).  Just quiet.

The next day, I headed over to the Moab area.  I did the Monitor
and Merrimac trail whic is located about 10 miles north of Moab.
This is a super fun trail that starts out winding though a 
canyon with several stream crossings which were complicated a bit
by ice buildup.  The trail then led into a large sand flat with 
occasional slickrock patches.  Finally it arrived at the Merrimac.
The Merrimac is a huge sandstone butte next to the Monitor (yes
named for the ironclads due to their relative size and positions).
>From this point the trail dissapears and you are left to circum-
navigate the Merrimac on hundreds of acres of slickrock.  Two 
spots deserve mention.  The first is a very narrow passage between
two sandstone outcrops.  I had about 2-3 inches on each side.
The next was a precarious slickrock side hill that must be
negotiated in order to complete the circle around the Merrimac.
I spent about 20 minutes walking the line.  Thank goodness for
T.E.D.s low-center of gravity.  I would not want to attempt
that hill in a super jacked up rig.  It actually wasn't too bad
but the exposure was great.

The last trail was too spectacular to mention in a public forum.
However, if you want more information, email me and I'll fill you
in on the details.  

I've read a couple of posts from people that have skirted Moab on 
I-70 going to or from someplace.  I pity you if you didn't take the
opportunity to visit Moab on the way.  Don't make this mistake if 
you are planning a trip in the vicinity.  I've got a couple of 
short trails that wouldn't take a lot of time and would give you
a great intro to the area.

Sorry about the length of this post but I do have a joke that is 
directed to all non-waving Rover owners ;-) Q. What is the difference
between a porcupine and a Land Rover?  A. A Land Rover has the pricks
on the inside.  (I know we are all mature enough to handle this with
good humor).

If there are any other Rover owners in Utah or Western Colorado 
(where I grew up!) Please email me.  We ought to set up some type of
get together.

Cheers.
John and T.E.D. #775
Provo, Ut

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From: Steve Thomas <THOMSE-U@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk>
Date:          Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:53:17 GMT
Subject:       Senders

In yesterday's digest....

 Bloody good question...  I've asked why I can't use a - earth sender
 in my 109, but suppliers have said you can't.  If the current one
 was working (more or less) there would be a - earth sender in there
 anyway to see what happens.  It is just a coil sending a esistance
 down the line...

 Can anyone  answer this one? I can't And I am a electronic tech!

If this is the poistive/negative fuel sender thing again, didn't 
TeriAnn say that it was because the coil in a negative sender/gauge 
was wound the other way to a positive sender/gauge?

Or have I misunderstood the question after zapping the digest in 
which the question appeared before I read all the 
messages....probably.

Steve

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From: Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com
Date: 18 Jan 96 10:03:05 -0500
Subject: RE: Hi-Lift - Disco Mount

I had posted the last time this topic came up that there are at least two 
companies in Australia that sell hi-lift mounting brackets that bolt onto 
the spare tire of a Disco. The jack is held upright. I have requested info 
from one of the companines and am awaiting a reply. They have a model that 
holds the jack, a small shovel and an axe. In the picture it even had a 
small green LR oval sticker! These all look heavy duty (mounts, not 
stickers). Given they way they attach, you could not use the vinyl or hard 
spare tire covers.

I am also waiting to hear back from another company in Oz that has twin 50 
liter auxiliary fuel tanks for the Disco...

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 10:27:37 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Thanks for the advise

Thanks everyone for the advise.  This Saturday I have a stunt show at Road
Atlanta where I am now going to be able to bring my D90 up to 110mph then hit
a 30 degree ramp 5 feet high then fly over 4 cars, land on an oposing 15
degree ramps, drive another 15 yards and spin out a 180 degrees.  ESPN 2 will
be there to tape it and I will mail vidio transcripts to those interested.

Count me among the VERY interested. How much for a video?
Cheers
Dave

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:32:39 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: hand cranking

> Just a small problem with this theory.  If the dog was designed to 

Dean,
How right you are. I should make sure my brain is in gear before my 
fingers are in motion.
It's been so long since I started mine with the 
hand crank, my winch is in the way, that I'd gone hazy on the facts.
My appologies to anyone suffering from a broken thumb as a result 
(but I did warn you I didn't trust it).

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:44:03 -0500
Subject: Re:  over 90 mph, doing 180's and catching air

In a message dated 96-01-17 21:41:30 EST, Dave B writes:
>Lets see here, this guy's going over 90 mph, doing 180's and catching air. I

>don't think he'll be able to use the cables, since the roof will be gone by
>the >time he's through.

Aren't these the reasons the Ford Explorer was made?  Seems one should buy an
Explorer for this driving style.
John.

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:44:04 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 mph govenor

In a message dated 96-01-17 22:28:23 EST, you write:
> why not look for the 182 representing
>the horsepower and crank it up too.  For that matter, if you find a 90 that
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Comrade in bit-twiddling,
>-Ross

Top Notch idea, Ross.  I would get the ride quality of a longer wheelbase
without the parking hassles.  I'd get Corvette style acceleration without the
fuel economy impact, um, wait, I already have that, um . . . 

JOhn
94 D90, wisc.

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From: stretch@vol.net
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 22:37:15 PST
Subject: LR World tel no.

I'm trying to contact Land Rover World magazine to enter a subscription.  Can anyone confirm/correct the tel as 081 597 7335?  My calls just dump, which indicates a bum #...other UK calls OK from Hong Kong.

I'm taking this # from a printout of the FAQ publications Web page.

Thanks

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 10:56:59 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: misc ramblings

1. to: ericz, rmiller, re: BigSky + AAA Small Car world
   I got some pics of BS Defenders for $16k - they were wrecks!  The guy -was-
  nice and helpful with any and all Rover info.  His view about EPA/DOT nightmare
  seems, hmm, progressive, as he can sell you the 110 and a
  SI bulkhead as a package :)
  But I agree that his stuff is junk, and the price is quite high.

  AAA has _lots_ of neat stuff, they were parting some Maseratis, Ferraris, and,
of course, RR.  I called once, looking for an EFI 3.5 out of SD-1.  First they said
 $200, then $850, then they didn't have it, but had a RR 3.9EFI for $2,000 !
  Forget them!

2. To: JCassidy re "cheap" 4.2
  You can "stroke" your 3.5 to 4.4 or even to 5.0 with either UK stroker kits $$,
  or GM parts $.  I am working on such a project,  e-mail me for more info.

3. To: Yrjo re: EFI upgrade.
  You can buy a simple aftermarket TBI from Holley, called "Pro-Jection" for $650US.
  It's a 670 CFM max 2-bbl throttle body, but you can adjust it down to 130 HP.
  It's a Speed-density type, just RPM and throttle pos. inputs.  O2 closed loop
  module another $200.  But it's adjustable, so you can tune it to your "car".
  It comes with a controller that you can adjust while driving (or on dyno), or
  with a PC interface.  Not sure if the PC version is same $$$.
  Of course, you'll need a 2bbl or 4bbl intake (GM or Edelbrock or JWR/Offy), or
  have your stock intake modified.
  There is also a similar system, Flow-master, that comes with 8 injectors, extruded
  fuel rail and injector bosses to weld onto your intake.  Still, a Speed-density
  system with an adjustable controller, for $2000.
   Also, here in US you can find SD-1 EFI cheaply, as people take them off at the first
  sign of trouble.  It's port-inj. MAF from Bosch, so spare parts may be common in
  junkyards.

Does anyone know if 3.9 and 4.2 EFI is bank-fired or sequential?

Jan

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:02:31 GMT -0600
Subject: parts in the us

In an effort to save long distance bills I was wondering if anyone 
knows for a fact who in the US is currently stocking tie-rod ends 
with castelated nuts and grease fittings? My experience in the past 
is that it's been hit or miss.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:30:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: LR World tel no.

On Thu, 18 Jan 1996 stretch@vol.net wrote:

> I'm trying to contact Land Rover World magazine to enter a subscription.  
> Can anyone confirm/correct the tel as 081 597 7335?  My calls just dump, 
> which indicates a bum #...other UK calls OK from Hong Kong. 

	Something to correct in the FAQ.  The UK went and added a "1"
	as a prefix to just about every "area code".  Try 181 rather
	than 081

------------------------------

From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:38:04 -0600
Subject: Corrupting the minds of children...

Thought you all might get a kick out of this:

My two year old nephew, for some reason, began this love afaire with   
trucks of all kinds about 6 or 8 months ago. "Truck" was one of his first   
words. When a friend gave me a copy of a camel trophy video, I thought   
I'd have a little fun and see if I could blow his mind with it.

Well, now its this kid's favorite movie - he must have watched it 20   
times (even more than me). Every time he comes to our house its "truck   
movie! truck movie!". Then, when they show scenes of the series III's,   
its "Tim truck! Tim truck!" (close enough to my series IIa for him...).

When I ask him what kind of truck I drive, its "Wan Wover!"

Looks like we got a future canidate for the camel trophy in the works...   
My 10 month old daughter is next, hehehe :-)

Tim
 ---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW  

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Date:         Thu, 18 Jan 96 11:32:55 EST
From: Patty Burke <PBURKE@american.edu>
Subject:      95 Disco - recommendations for transport of snow skis?

I am planning a ski trip to Canada (Sault St. Marie) and would like
recommendations for ski carriers.  Since I have to take the vehicle to
the dealer for my 7000 mile checkup anyway, I will be choosing from one
of the dealer-installed options.

If I choose the anled ski carrier (part # RRTH586), it looks like I also
need Roof Rack Styling Bar set (part # RRTH415) and Cross Bar set, 58"
(for styling bars, part # RRTHLB58).
The other choice, the trailer hitch-mounted Sports rack/bike carrier
(part # RRNA0923BK) and the ski carrier attachment (part # LRNA0923SKI)
might be appealing (I'm a "short people") if the hitch-mounted carrier
did not have to be permanently mounted.

We don't have the skis yet.  Would 2 pair of skis fit in the cargo area
with the seatbacks pushed out of the way?  Sure would be a lot cheaper.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:59:05 -0800
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: breaking things with the transmission brake

azw@aber.ac.uk wrote:

> Also rear drum handbrakes can be used as an
> emergency brake without trashing your vehicle. The LR has NO emergency
> brake!!!!

Does this mean I should *never* use the transmission brake as an emergency brake? Will I break 
propshafts or strip differential gears? The one time I tried stopping just using the handbrake, 
my plushmobile shuddered and only slowly ground to a stop. Fortunately, I was doing only 20MPH or 
so at the time, but I wonder what I would have broken had I been careening down a hill off-road 
and had lost my wheel brakes.

-- 

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery V8i

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:27:28 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: airsprings

Are the Bilsteins pressurized or something so they have a lifting 
effect?? I thought shocks normally had no effect on body height.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

On Wed, 17 Jan 1996, Tebbin Salvesen wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> I recently replaced the shocks in my 87 range rover and gained about 2 in
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> the best way to do this is to disconnect them.
> and remember "the two most dissapointing things in the world are not
> getting what you want and GETTING what you want!"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:35:35 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Parts in the US

 Tom Rowe <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> writes:
:In an effort to save long distance bills I was wondering if anyone 
:knows for a fact who in the US is currently stocking tie-rod ends 
:with castelated nuts and grease fittings? My experience in the past 
:is that it's been hit or miss.

 Last set I bought came from DAP, 86 Clinton St., Springfield, VT 05156
 Call Bruce McEnany at 802-885-6660 or fax at 802-885-6662.

 Other than email, faxing is the least expensive/fastest method to get
 information.  Fax is like a low tech (or higher tech? :) email connecting
 most business people in the world.  A 2 min call in the US is usually
 cheaper than a 32 cent stamp!  Like email, you need to be precise in your
 questions or inquiry, or you just get spam back.  I try and do "fill-in-
 the-blanks" forms requiring the vendor to circle or check items in stock
 and fill in prices, they then send the same form back.  --Hey, it works
 for me :)

 Cheers,
                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 

------------------------------

From: Mike Fredette~ <mfredett@sedona.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Getting a winch
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:59:53 -0700 (MST)

Bruce writes, 
 
 I have a Warn XD9000i mounted in what is essentially a '95 D-90 LRNA 
 bumper.  The winch has performed superbly.  It makes a terrible sound, 
 but that seems to be common with that winch. 
 
 snip 

 I've had the stock springs about a year with the winch mounted.  The 
 front sits about an inch lower than my wife's new D-90 SW.  I'm 
 thinking of installing OME springs soon to bring the front back up, but 
 we have done a lot of offroading with the stock springs without 
 difficulty.  As long as you don't use a heavy bumper like the ARB, you 
 should be able to wait on springs too.
 

	I put the Superwinch X9 on my D90, used the Superwinch mount
and sliced the center out of a stock Ser IIa bumper and welded the whole thing
up. Works swell, and is MUCH cheaper and just as strong as the fancy
ARB/LRNA  jobbies that seem to run in the $800 range. The winch plate
was 60 bucks and the bumper was 55, 25 bucks worth of welding at the
local shop and presto, a great winch bumper. I went ahead and took it
to the local galvanizing shope and another 10 bucks made it corrsion proof
for the forseable future.
	I also had the same sag problem at the front after mounting it up
and solved it thusly. Take the front springs off and pitch em. Take the super stiff
rears off and move them up front. Then go buy a set of rear, driver's side,
87-90 Range Rover springs. All Rover coils are different lengths, and color coded
to identify them, the ones we are after have a green and pink code. These are
pre-air suspension, pre sway bar models. Rover's North lists them for about 65 each.
It only takes about 1.5 hours to do the whole swap, and you end up with a level ride,
and a MUCH more supple suspension, and for a ton less money than the OME solution.
The statements that the OME give you more suspension travel is a load of Barbara
Streisand(BS). Axle articulation in the D90 is limited in the compression stroke
by tire rub, coil bind, and bump stops on the frame. In the extension mode, it's
first limited by the anti-sway bars, then the bushings in the pan-hard rod and radius
arms and finally by the length of the brake lines. I leave my sway bars off and live
with the added body roll in turns, but off roading has shown that its the bushings
that limit you the most. The OME springs DO give you an inch or so of added ride
height, which would help with break over angle, but at the expense of raised CG/reduced
rollover ability in a sideslope. It's just a shameless marketing ploy thing to say
that they give more suspension travel, they can't, because it's limited by other things.
Save some money and try this other method, your d90 will ride almost as well as a 
Disco or RR on the road, not nearly so bumpy, and will be much more able off road.
Rgds
Mike Fredette
D90
Phoenix Az.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:04:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Corrupting the minds of children...

On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Tim Harincar wrote:

> When I ask him what kind of truck I drive, its "Wan Wover!"
> Looks like we got a future canidate for the camel trophy in the works...   
> My 10 month old daughter is next, hehehe :-)

	The first words from a friend's daughter were "wan wover".  
	His wife nearly killed him... :-)

	Rgds,

------------------------------

From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Hi-Lift - Disco Mount
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:01:57 -0800

>From: 
	Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com[SMTP:Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.  
com]
>Subject: 	RE: Hi-Lift - Disco Mount
>I had posted the last time this topic came up that there are at least two 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>spare tire covers.
>I am also waiting to hear back from another company in Oz that has twin 50 
>liter auxiliary fuel tanks for the Disco...
could you post info about the company, e.g. prices, phone numbers/addresses 
etc. when it comes in? I'd be interested in what you find. For now, my 
latest "hi-lift-on-Disco" idea is to bolt it to the "hoop" that sticks out 
in front of the GP brush bar. Another thought is to remove the 
aforementioned hoop and bolt the hi-lift to where the hoop was mounted. That 
stupid brush bar has got to be good for something other than holding the 
driving lights. I'm waiting for a free weekend to try this so I'll keep you 
posted...
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 13:26:32 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:breaking things with the transmission brake

>Chris say's;
>What would happen if I loose my brakes going down a hill if you cant use 
the trans brake?

Someone out there correct me if I'm wrong, (I know you will!). Don't NAS 
LR's have a backup redundant system for the disc brakes? I thought I read 
that in the sales lit and also in a couple of 4WD mag reviews of the 
Defender 90?

Isn't the idea of a trans brake instead of a conventional hand brake 
supposed to be for more secure holding on steep hills? (Oh ya and also to 
keep you from using it for 180's)!

Confused again
Barnett
Childress 95 D90

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 14:01:32 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: breaking things with the transmission brake

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

>Chris say's;
>What would happen if I loose my brakes going down a hill if you cant use 
the trans brake?

Pretty unlikely with a dual system. if you're on single system, a la Series 
Rovers, check your stuff before taking to the hills. Also pads or shoes could 
heat up and glaze over from constant braking but not likely with proper use of 
low gears. If all else fails you could probably slow it up with the gears and 
then SLOWLY apply the handbrake. I'd rather be out a couple grand than become 
part of a tree. Worst case scenario head for something that'll give. Front wings
don't cost that much:-)
Dave 

------------------------------

Date:     Thu, 18 Jan 96 14:13:07 EST (1913Z)
From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil>
Subject:  Re:  Corrupting the minds of children...

Dixon,

My son is two.  The Rover is named "Grover" Green-Rover
I know, I know not much of a stretch in thinking up a
name, but.....

Anyway, all Rovers are "Grovers" and the kid recognizes
the oval logo too.

BTW - somehow I missed the original post (subscribing real
time).  Are we having server problems again???

Larry

------------------------------

From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:25:33 -0500
Subject: Advertisement spotted...

The Feb. '96 issue of Money magazine has a very impressive adv. of Land
Rovers.  It is inside the cover and it is a two-page layout.   It is titled
"Think we have tough competition now?  You should have seen it 50 years
ago.".  There is  a mud-splattered LR badge surrounded by various photographs
of other means of animal-provided cargo/transportation from developing
countries  with snapshots of the new models along the bottom.

I like it!

Gerry "Phoenix AZ: 68 degrees" Elam

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:52:37 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: airsprings

bilsteins are gas pressure shocks so they do give some lift. you have to
compress them 2 or more inches to install them. They did lift my rr up to
oem ride height--especially after replacing the rancho junkos!!!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:33:36 -0500 (EST)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: [1]The Land Rover Owner Dai

Looks like Lynda and Millie still haven't gotten the message. Ah, only 11
more days of this annoying message. Is there a way to stop this from
cluttering my mailbox or am I the only one hearing from Bill in Costa Rica?

Chris Stevens

>Warmest regards from Costa Rica.  I currently plan to return to the office on
>January 29th.  If you absolutely need to contact me while I'm on vacation,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>I'll take action on your e-mail as soon as I can.
>Bill

_____________________________
BCG Corporate Communications
1512 West Joppa Road
Towson, MD USA
Voice: 410-583-1722
Fax: 410-583-1935
E-Mail: chrisste@clark.net

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 13:15:17 -0800
Subject: Re: Advertisement spotted...

On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, GElam30092@aol.com wrote:

>The Feb. '96 issue of Money magazine has a very impressive adv. of Land
>Rovers.  It is inside the cover and it is a two-page layout.   It is titled
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>I like it!
>Gerry "Phoenix AZ: 68 degrees" Elam
Also appeared in the Economist a couple weeks back.

Eric

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 16:22:22 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: [1]The Land Rover Owner Dai

Chris says get mad...

Looks like Lynda and Millie still haven't gotten the message. Ah, only 11
more days of this annoying message. Is there a way to stop this from
cluttering my mailbox or am I the only one hearing from Bill in Costa Rica?

Chris Stevens

>Warmest regards from Costa Rica.  I currently plan to return to the office on
>January 29th.  If you absolutely need to contact me while I'm on vacation,
  [ truncated by lro-lite (was 6 lines)]
>I'll take action on your e-mail as soon as I can.
>Bill

I say get even. 
I'll send Bill a forward of every copy I got. If everyone else does this, that 
makes for well 1,000 messages waiting for the poor guy on the 29th. Heh heh heh.
Dave "Just having a little fun for a change"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:14:15 -0600
From: William Owen <ib011ca@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  Re: airsprings -Reply

> bilsteins are gas pressure shocks so they do give some lift. you have to
compress them 2 or more inches to install them. They did lift my rr up to
oem ride height--especially after replacing the rancho junkos!!!

What effect do they have on wheel travel?  Does the preasure that
increases the lift also decrease the wheel travel or otherwise affect off
road performance?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 21:44:35 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: tyre issues, choice

All, 

I have a problem, well decision to make regarding the Tyres on my 88 RR. 

I need to replace 2 tyres, the original spec tyres are no longer available, 
should I change all four for something more aggressive ?   Maybe go to 
225/75/16 maybe BFG ?  

I plan on using this RR both on and off-road. I live in NH and so snow is also 
possible in winter time. 

Your thoughts 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:51:46 -0500 (EST)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Re: [1]The Land Rover Owner Dai

Dave Wants To Get Even

>I say get even.
>I'll send Bill a forward of every copy I got. If everyone else does this, that
>makes for well 1,000 messages waiting for the poor guy on the 29th. Heh heh
>heh.
>Dave "Just having a little fun for a change"

I already tried bouncing these messages back to Bill, Lynda, and
Millie...BUT THEY CAME BACK TO ME. YIKES. TURN IT OFF ALRIGHT.

CHRIS

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:07:01 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: airsprings -Reply

On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, William Owen wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> > bilsteins are gas pressure shocks so they do give some lift. you have to
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> increases the lift also decrease the wheel travel or otherwise affect off
> road performance?

the only effect I have seen is IMPROVED ride and performance wheel travel
is unaffected -- they are engineered for the car unlike rancho junkos!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:08:57 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: tyre issues, choice

On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Mark Talbot wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> All, 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> possible in winter time. 
> Your thoughts 

rr tires un-available??? I bet thats news to some tire dealers!!! I just
replaced mine with oem!

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 18 Jan 97 16:21:00 -0600
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Synthetic oils

All

Has anyone had any directly bad experiences with the new synthetics  
like Syntec or heard of the class action suit supposedly filed  
against Mobil-Lube by owners of small air craft engines whose engines  
were damaged by Mobil-1 dumping uck into the oiling system and  
plugging oil ways.
	I am interested in changing to synthetic crankcase oil in my  
Disco, now with 13K, but wanted to explore what people's actual  
experiences have been. Thanks, John Friedman 

------------------------------

From: Paul Cooper <paul.c.cooper@carney.ftech.co.uk>
Subject: New Recruit To LRO requesting help 
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 22:19:40 -0000

I have owned my 1969 SIIA 109 LWB HardTop for 3 months. It was purchased =
as a project to relieve stress :-) !!!!!!.

Among other thinks I'm have major problems with the wiring. At some =
stage  Rocky, (My daughters named it) has been fitted with D3 engine and =
Alternator, which appears to have burnt out 75% of  the wiring. In =
frustration decided to scrap the old loom and bye a new one, only to =
find that Land Rover now longer make or stock this item.

Does any one know where I can purchase a new loom, or know where I can =
find a reasonable clear wiring diagram for the above.

Any help would be gratefully received.

paul.c.cooper@carney.ftech.co.uk
Doncaster, UK

------------------------------

From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:36:44 -0500
Subject: Winter Safari XII-- ME/NH USA

February 10th, 1996

Winter Safari Twelve departs from the Mowry farm at 7 am February 10th. have
your Land Rover fueled and packed with a picnic lunch as well ass the
necessary tire chains, snatch straps and other extraction equipment suitable
for a days flogging of your land rover in the woods. Our first stop will be
at the Potting Shed restaurant on route 109 in Acton, Maine, where you can
top off with coffee and food. After that we cruise to Carroll County NH for a
full day of off road in snow sleet mud rain hail or whatever mother nature
decides to dish out to us.
this event will go regardless of weather. at day's end we congregate at the
Mowry farm for a supper of pizza and beer, videos and socializing. everyone
is welcome to bring sleeping bags and use the ample amount of floor space
available.
for those who wish to arrive the evening before, the floor is available for
sleeping and there will be tall-tales, videos etc.

see you there

Ron Mowry
PO Box 1023
West Lebanon Me
207-658-9064

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:45:48 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Used Range 

Still interested in this '90 county advertised locally.  The dealer resused 
to budge on the price, even after I showed him a transmission oil leak and 
rust - it is a New York vehicle, not the "local" vehicle that he claimed.  
(He probably thinks - and rightly so - that he can flog it off on the next 
chap who won't likely be looking quite so closely.)  However, the fuel tank 
is brand new and the power steering pump has either been overhauled or replaced.

Several questions, as I don't know my way around Range Rovers.  Is the fill 
plug on the diffs a square drive 1/2" - I took a handful of tools with me 
and didn't take my 1/2" drive - or is it some weird metric size like .7 
newton-meters per hectare.  Where do you fill the swivel pins? Is the fill 
hole behind the disc brake assembly?  There was the usual mix of road 
funk/oil so I couldn't see very well.  The seals and surface of the ball 
look fine, though.  How simple/difficult is it to get *inside* the tailgate 
to do a propper job of rustproofing?  Virtually all of the rust visible on 
the frame is hard, surface rust that can be remedied with Ospho, paint and 
Waxoyl.  I need to make a decision by tomorrow AM, so replies would be 
appreciated.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 22:46:43 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: RE: tyre issues, choice

OEM Tyres, 205/16 XM+S244 are no longer available, except those that have them 
in stock. 

I can't find anyone here in the MA, NH, VT area that has any, not that I have 
tried EVERY tire dealer. 

Mark 

----------
From:  Tebbin Salvesen
Sent:  Thursday, January 18, 1996 5:09 PM
Cc:  Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.com
Subject:  Re: tyre issues, choice

On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Mark Talbot wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> All, 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
> 225/75/16 maybe BFG ?  
> I plan on using this RR both on and off-road. I live in NH and so snow is 
also 
> possible in winter time. 
> Your thoughts 

rr tires un-available??? I bet thats news to some tire dealers!!! I just
replaced mine with oem!

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 18 Jan 97 16:57:31 -0600
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Disco Defects to Date (for new or prospective buyers)

All

I now have have had my 95 manual disco 6 months(13,300) and here are  
the problems to date (in order) 

1) first 1k or so, bad flasher socket right rear
2) cold weather squealing steering gasket, not been able to get to  
have new gasket installed yet
3) 10k mysterious sticking handbrake, going on of its own accord at  
low speeds
4) Front lic. plate bracket disappeared, victim to a backer? I used  
sheet metal screws to attach new plate direct to bumper.
5) 11k ABS warning light sometimes coming on while driving, now  
staying on all the time when driving. Brakes are fine.
6) 11.5K crack in driver side mirror glass from trying to adjust the  
mirrow in very cold weather. Looks like part of mirror moved and part  
did not.

2,5,6 will have to wait for a trip to dealer, 135 miles away.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 07:34:32 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: air jacks/hi-lifts

I was the one who 'bagged' air bag jacks in a recent post.

I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek, I agree with David Olley who pointed out
that like any piece of equipment care needs to be taken when using one to 
avoid damage.

The chaps concerned, who should have known better, stuck the bag under the
exhaust of the vehicle, hence the puncture.

There are many vehicles driving around in Oz, with Hi-Lift jacks bolted 
to 
the exterior as a fashion accessory, which have no suitable jacking points.
Even the SES Toyota(yuk) Troopie has nothing at the rear except the 
tow-hitch.
Certainly Rangies and Discoverys require additional barwork to use a hi-lift
and so a bullbag, if used properly, would be ideal.

Personally I am terrified of hi-lifts.  Many years ago I was standing 
next to
someone jacking a vehicle out of the mud when the jack slipped.  If I 
hadn't 
leapt into the air as the jack flew between my legs at high speed I would 
have
been comprehensively bobbited.  And that was miles from the nearest 
microsurgeon.

When I use one I'm never sure whether the sweat is from exertion or 
nervousness :-)
Wouldn't be without one though.

Sorry for babbling.

Cheers.  Tony.

------------------------------

From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: [1]The Land Rover Owner Dai
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:13:53 -0800

>>I say get even.
>>I'll send Bill a forward of every copy I got. If everyone else does this, 
that
>>makes for well 1,000 messages waiting for the poor guy on the 29th. Heh 
heh
>>heh.
>>Dave "Just having a little fun for a change"
>I already tried bouncing these messages back to Bill, Lynda, and
>Millie...BUT THEY CAME BACK TO ME. YIKES. TURN IT OFF ALRIGHT.
It sounds like they have an "out-of-office" turned on to auto-reply to all 
messages saying they are not home. If that's the case, sending them lots of 
mail to them will just clutter up YOUR mailbox! 

Sounds like another user stalled on the information superhighway. Call the 
internet tow-truck!
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:02:28 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: Synthetic oils

On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, John B. Friedman wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> All
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> Disco, now with 13K, but wanted to explore what people's actual  
> experiences have been. Thanks, John Friedman 

I HIGHLY recommend SYNTEC!!! My wife ran my RR completely out of water
after the water pump pully came adrift--she said " well it went to the red
but then it went above it so i figured it was ok"   after many groans i
went to retrieve the car figuring i had an aluminum ingot where the engine
once resided. to my great suprize it started and ran normally even though
ALL the coolant was boiled out. The only thing that i think saved it is
the fact that it had syntec in it and being all aluminum ie heads/block it
heated and cooled at the same rate!
this was over 2 years ago and other than replacing the water pump and
discarding the fan clutch in favor of additional elec. fans i have had
absolutly no trouble with it. you have to remember that airplane engines
generally run at constant rpm settings and heat/friction values are very
different in airplane engines, thats why car engines generally arent used
in general aviation.
try it youll like it!!!!

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:14:34 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: Used Range 

On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Alexander P. Grice wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Still interested in this '90 county advertised locally.  The dealer resused 
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>       |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
>       *-----------------------------------------------------*
fill plugs are square----usually; its undoubtedly some wentworth size used
on RR merlins during wwII! Swivel housings have two plugs one on top to
fill, one on the side to check level, if the owners manual is there I
believe it shows some of this. The tail gate on my 87 is completely
sealed, you can gain limited access by drilling out the rivets that hold
the black plate on top that secures the lift tabs-i did this and waxoled
the insides of mine. I have a shop man. and a fax if you need swivel pin
locations (please dont ask for the whole book to be faxed) also its
important to have the right lube in the swivel housings or the internal
will eat themselves!!!!

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:24:34 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: 95 Disco - recommendations for transport of snow skis?

On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Patty Burke wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> I am planning a ski trip to Canada (Sault St. Marie) and would like
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> We don't have the skis yet.  Would 2 pair of skis fit in the cargo area
> with the seatbacks pushed out of the way?  Sure would be a lot cheaper.

i have an 87 rr and i mtn. bike as well as ski---i bought a Hollywood rack
that fits in the TH reciever and modified it to be both a ski and bike
rack--its also a LOT easier to get to your skis--no more repelling off the
top!!!!

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:22:32 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: Re: 4.2 Liter questions

On Wed, 17 Jan 1996 JCassidyiv@aol.com wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> At some point in the near future, I would like to put a 4.2 liter V-8 and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Thanks for all your help/comments in advance.
> Cheers!  John Cassidy    Bangor, Maine USA
why not just put in a chev 350 / 350 hp!

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 16:53:07 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: RE: tyre issues, choice

Mark -- have you tried the Land Rover dealer? I have been a fairly heavy
consumer of these tires and have found that round San Francisco the tire
dealers can't get the Michelin 205-16's except under some kind of
emergency conditions. The Rover dealers have always had them on tap, and
lately at a pretty reasonable price ($135 for my last one a couple of
months ago). 

Atlantic British is another source, but their prices are paradoxically 
quite a bit higher than the dealers. (about $189).

If you want to switch to some more commonly available size, I gather 
225-75-R16 is OK, being almost exactly the same outside diameter and a 
fraction wider (but not enough to cause problems). I haven't tried them, 
but other folks on the list might comment on this.

Let us all know what transpires!

Cheers

John

John Brabyn
89 RR

On Thu, 18 Jan 1996, Mark Talbot wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> OEM Tyres, 205/16 XM+S244 are no longer available, except those that have them 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 35 lines)]
> rr tires un-available??? I bet thats news to some tire dealers!!! I just
> replaced mine with oem!

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: 96 FWOTY
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:01:58 -0800

I was perusing the Feb 96 issue of FourWheeler mag and got a kick out of how 
the Jeep GC "win" seemed almost forced (kind of like how you have to "like" 
a relatives bad cooking). Nevertheless, I was looking at the specifications 
table and, among other things, noticed that the Rover (Rangie 4.0SE in this 
case) was the only one of the 8 or 9 reviewed that had 4W/4C ABS Brakes! All 
the others had 3ch. ABS. I guess I would have thought that with all the 
hype, at least the JGC would have had it. Hmmm.

It's nice to have a choice, though. If you want to spend your money on 
bells, & whistles you can drive a JGC, OTOH, if you want to put your money 
into the drivetrain, body & chassis and get a bell & whistle or two, get a 
Disco, If you want it all, there's the RR!

I'm looking forward to a chance to try going down a hill with just the ABS 
brakes to see if it really works as advertised, has anyone tried this, yet? 
(now, where's that roadside assistance number? :-)
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|        Bob Watson "Disco Test Pilot"
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:23:25 -0700 (MST)
From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us>
Subject: RE: tyre issues, choice

on tire sizing---I have heard of diff. problems when switching to larger
sizes--be ware!!!!

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Date: 18 Jan 96 17:38:31 EST
From: <Glen_Rees@parlon2.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Capstan winch for 6 cyl

     John Hess writes about Capstan winch for 2.6lt. 6 cyl engine. This 
     engine is a 6 cyl version of the old 2lt. 4 cyl engine fitted to late 
     series 1's, and as far as I recall, the timing chain case is the same. 
     The front starter dog, and pulley may different, so the brackets for a 
     series 1 may fit.
     
     Having said all that, when I installed an Aeroparts capstan winch to 
     my 86", I had to fabricate my own brackets since the original ones are 
     as rare as rocking horse droppings. I have a copy of the original 
     parts manual.
     
     Persevere with it since they are superb bits of kit, and look great up 
     the front end.
     
     R  1  3        H
     +--|--|   FWD  |
        2  4        L            '55 Series One
                              (25 YEAR TAX EXEMPT)  
     
     Glenn

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 21:50:26 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: Range Rover seat switches

Since the drivers seat in my RR would only move back, I followed the recent
thread about jumping the switches and taking them apart to clean.

Instead I went to Radio Shack and bought a can of their "Tuner Control
Cleaner & Lubricant". I sprayed a quick burst into the switch and my seat
moves back and forth.  

This is quicker and easier than taking apart the switch (at least until
enough of it builds up.

Jeff Kessler
88 Range Rover
Newport New Hampshire USA   603-863-7883

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 21:44:59 -0500 (EST)
From: cjkst14@pop.pitt.edu (dustin d.)

>For you LROs in New England, since I am in New Hampshire, I can go either to
>Automaster in Vermont or LR Metro West in Mass for the 4-6 hour gas tank
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>first appeared.  Both dealer are about 2 hours away, any thoughts as the
>better place to have it done?

>Jeff Kessler

Jeff:
        Here's a funny story about Automaster. Me and 3 of my friends
stopped their on our way north to Stowe last winter; seeing the Land Rover
marque on their sign out front (besides being sick of being cooped up in
the back of a Pathfinder for so many hours!), i forced a pullover. We must
have been a howl for the salesmen, drooling over every model they had
there. So here we are, out of state, a bunch of younger guys, who obviously
are not in the market to buy a brand new Rover, and the salesmen were
saying, "So which one would you fellows like to take out today?" Wrong
thing to say to a few guys with the LR bug and a hour or two to kill.
Needless to say, we cleaned out their shirts and hats with our food money.
Automaster is truly a great dealership in the sales respect.
        BTW, with all this talk of snobbishness at LR dealers, i'm puzzled.
Here in Pittsburgh, Ascot imports is pretty much the same way, I spoke with
the owner one day I had convinced a roomate of mine to stop in for a peek,
and this man spoke with such enthusiasm about these vehicles, and on such a
down-to-earth level, i was just blown away, and again he offered us keys to
take a spin in his Disco (a demo or something?). Plus, once at the P-burgh
auto show, i was showing my fiance the new SE 4.0, and the gentleman at the
LR booth offered to set up a test drive (I didn't think i looked like i had
this kind of $$$), and i told him that, but he said, "Well, you seem pretty
enthusiastic about our cars, you could sell them as well as i could i
think" or something to that effect. We laughed, but i still think you'd be
very hard pressed to find any car dealer who wants to spend their time on
someone who isn't buying, or even capable of buying. So when i'm married
and settled down, my other half is pulling to trade our cars on a LR, and i
couldn't ask for anything else!  8)
        -dustin

"blah blah blah"

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:09:49 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: D90 mph govenor

>How can I change the 90mph govenor on a NAS D90?

Save some bandwidth and ask all these stupid questions in one message...

First, you want to do 180's.. then you want to "get air".. No it's exceeding
the 90MPH govenor... Sounds like maybe you should be driving a Toyota or
some such nonsense..

Sheeesch.. Kids these days...

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:09:47 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Installing front receiver in Disco

Gerald sez....

>from he first one. I'll park over there next time. Also concluded
>someone nearby owns a Series II or Series III (I don't know how to
>tell differences from back.) Still waving at all LR's unless my 
>daughter is in car with friends of hers.
-

Eh? What's the daughter have to do with waving?? Oh... I get it.. It's
embarrasing...
Oh well.. time she learned that your as crazy as the rest of us...  8-)

Cheers
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 20:09:51 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Overdrive stress and noise

Doug Scott has some questions...

>Questions, (1) Where is OD located in engine/main gearbox/transfer case
>sequence? 

The OD is mechanically between the main gearbox and the transfer case. While
the OD can be engaged in any gear (effectively giving you 16 forward and 4
reverse gears) I believe it is really designed to be used in fouth gear,
high range.

>(2) The OD seems to be noisy, in fact, very noisy even compared to all the
other
>"very noisys" of the engine, etc.

Common problem. There was a message thread a while back where someone said
the OD whine was being amplified by one of the floor screws which contacted
the OD casing. Shortening the length of the screw eliminated the noise.
Sounds plausible to me. 
  
>Final note:  We are now a 2 S-3 family - bought Mark Talbot's S-3 for my son,
>who has been bitten by the LR bug big time.  Number 3 S-3 will probably be
>along any day now

Ah... the growing Land Rover family! Congrats!

Cheers
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 23:05:44 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: ECU Reprogramming

Ross wrote:
>For that matter, if you find a 90 that is NOT the maximum speed byte, it's 
>probably the wheelbase measurement.  Try setting it to 110.

Yeah!  That's the ticket.  Reprogram the ECU and 'morph' your 90 into a 110! 
Jeez, why didn't Solihull think of that!  I bet it would save a whole buncha 
bucks in shipping costs alone!
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 12:20:55 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES <tonyy@BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: How to Spin Out a D90

> also there are other advantages to having a handbrake which applies to 
> different wheels than the transmission (someone posted the problems of 

??  I only have 4 wheels, and the transmission applies to all of them. :-)

> I can see NO advantage to a transmission brake at all. Folk say they hold 
> stronger on hills. Cobblers! If the footbrake holds on hills, then there's no 
> reason a handbrake operating the same wheels thru the same brake mechnisms 
> cant hold equally well. A weel designed lnkage allows the rear wheels to be 
> locked on dry tarmac.

Rubbish. With the difflock engaged the transmission brake engages all 
four wheels, not just two.  I have never had any trouble with a well 
adjusted transmission brake, on or off road

Steering with the handbrake? How does that work?

Cheers.  Tony.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 19:14:09 -0800
From: w1eox@ix.netcom.com (Yves  Feder)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>From: crash@merl.com
>Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:48:21 -0500
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>	-Bill Yerazunis  [jeez, no wonder there never seems to be any
>	space left for stuff in the wayback...]

Gee Bill, the pemmican's fine, but you forgot the hardtack and the
army surplus peanut butter cans!

 
Yves Albert (Al "Al") Feder
w1eox@ix.netcom.com
Harpsichord Workshops and Recording Studios
"Danged if'n I unnerstand all I know"

 "When I go, I want to go quietly in my
  sleep, like my grandfather..... not
  screaming, like his passengers."

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From: Sekerere@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 00:56:01 -0500
Subject: Chicago area residents

Is there anyone on the list that is near Hinsdale Land Rover in the Chicago
area- I am trying to find out the real scoop on a 1994 "plushmobile"
Discovery that they have there. Please e-mail me at Sekerere@aol.com

Thanks 

Chris
1966 Series IIA 88" "Antichrist"

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: 4.2 Liter questions
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:48:34 +1030 (CST)

> why not just put in a chev 350 / 350 hp!

One word  *Weight*

-- 

  Daryl

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From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 01:39:16 -0500
Subject: 4.2 Liter for my '87 RR

I've gotten a couple of replies(thanks very much) re: 4.2 liter cost and
availability here in the states.  Seems cost will likely be too high for
me(probably as a result of scarcity of 4.2 hearts from LWB RRs).  It seems
like the more common sense route would be to find a 3.9 liter second hand or
bore mine out when it gets a little worse for wear.
      Some questions that arise;  Would I need a different ECU if I go with a
3.9 liter(or bore it even bigger).  Would any other ancillaries need
changing?(i.e. radiator).  Am I better( in terms of cost, both immediate and
long-term) buying a used 3.9L or boring out the one I've got?  Once again,
thanks for all your help.  It's just that my wife has  that damn 3.9 liter in
her '95 Disco and she's spoiled me by letting me drive it!
Cheers! John Cassidy  Bangor, Maine USA

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