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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:15:37 +0100 (MET)
From: "HARALD.STEGAVIK" <HARALD.STEGAVIK@si.sintef.no>
Subject: RR DiffLock vacum

Hi!

I got my old V8 swapped (was in a hurry and had to get
a quick & d. solution), but the difflock vacum (to the
switch) was not connected. I just made a new connection
from the vacum controlling the air inlet valve and it
works very fine --- but:

1: Where was that connection ment to be made anyway?
2: Is my current solution OK?

Harald

--
    Harald Stegavik, Research Scientist
    SINTEF Oslo
    Harald.Stegavik@si.sintef.no

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From: paul@frcs.alt.za (Paul Nash)
Subject: trip report: Australian Outback (Broken Hill area)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:51:59 +1100

Upon discovering that we both had ten days' break over Christmas/New 
Year (it is un-Australian to work at this time), we immediately 
decided to head for the nearest Outback, as we wanted to see something 
of the "real" Australia. We decided on a couple of National Parks in 
western New South Wales. The general reaction to this plan was that we 
must be crazy to do the trip in mid-summer, generally followed by a 
shamefaced admission that the adviser had never been there but, being 
Australian, knew everything there was to know regardless. "Wotthehell, 
toujours gai" we thought, and refused to be deterred.

We left the Saturday before Christmas in our Series 3 Land Rover 109 
station wagon.  With the rear seats removed, it provided ample packing 
space for camping gear, a few jerry-cans of water and one of petrol, 
as well as the obligatory tools, spares and extra oil.  Day one was 
relaxed, heading away from Canberra and the highways, and we travelled 
via places like Binalong (the Land Rover's previous home), West 
Wyalong and Lake Cargelligo to Willandra, an old sheep station (now 
National Park) at the edge of the outback proper.  This was the carŐs 
first long trip in our hands, and I was a bit nervous, but it 
performed flawlessly.  The trip was far more comfortable (and faster) 
than our old diesel had been, thanks to a 3.3 l Holden motor and 5-
speed Nissan gearbox, plus seats from an Opel Commodore that made us 
oblivious to the lack of suspension.

We slung a mosquito net under a tree in the deserted Willandra 
campsite, and went to look for a ranger to give some money to.  Not 
only were there no other visitors, there was no staff either!  There 
was also no water (it later transpired that their pump was 
malfunctioning, and the ranger had been into town to get some parts).  
After I had checked various vehicular fluid levels (front swivels 
needed topping up, but so what's new?), we ate our soya-and-noodles 
meal, and spent the night looking at stars.

Next morning we were off bright and early, and found the ranger on our 
way out.  There were plenty of kangaroos in the park, as well as our 
first flock of totally wild galahs (lots of these in Canberra, but 
itŐs just not the same as seeing them out in the wild) and a bunch of 
emus ("designer ostriches").  There were also a number of blind 'roos 
sitting in the road as we left - apparently the result of some nasty 
virus a few months back.

The road to Ivanhoe is sand, very wide and very straight.  By now, we 
were in the Outback proper, which had a disconcerting resemblance to 
bits of the Karroo, Namibia and Botswana - disconcerting because it is 
quite similar, yet very different, and the combination is quite 
disorientating. We were delighted with the vastness of the space, the 
huge hot clear blue skies and the rich red soil, and felt liberated at 
having finally left the fences behind. 

Ivanhoe provided petrol and drinking water, but not much else.  The 
petrol-station owner explained that had we been "blackfellas", he'd 
have given us water from the bore, rather than rainwater, which would 
have made us "crook".  It seemed a long way from Canberra.

The Cobb Highway heading North to Wilcannia started off as a sealed 
road, but quickly deteriorated into soft sand, requiring four-wheel 
drive for the first time.  We'd probably have made it without, but it 
made handling a lot better.  We had lunch in Wilcannia (which looked 
and felt a fair bit like a Free State dorp on a Sunday), and then set 
off towards Broken Hill, looking for the turn-off to Mootwingee.  We 
must have passed it somewhere, but there's no clear signpost, so we 
ended up in Broken Hill after passing through vast sweeping plains in 
the first real heat that we'd encountered - exacerbated quite 
drastically by the tar, which seemed to gather it all up and pump it 
directly up at us.  It didn't take long to get to Mootwingee from the 
other side, and we were there well before sunset.

Mootwingee is another National Park, of historic as well as 
environmental interest, and contains an archaeologically 
importantAboriginal site.  Access to the site is only with rangers, 
and we were there at the wrong time, so we didn't get to see it, but 
we did see the surrounding countryside.  There is a range of hills 
across the landscape there, with semi-permanent water and quite a lot 
of wildlife.  We spent two days walking around, and marvelled at the 
area, which is absolutely stunning.  The heat was quite intense, and 
we weren't at all used to it, so mid-afternoon was an "interesting" 
time.  We found the heat easier to deal with while we were walking, 
and after a few days became unconvinced of  the wisdom of an afternoon 
siesta in the absence of a cool place to retreat to.

When we arrived, there was one other couple in the campsite, with an 
old VW Kombi camper and a decorated tree.  We slung our mosquito net 
between two gum trees some distance from them, and ignored each other.  
Shade was a bit of a problem, but we got some from the trees, and some 
from an ingenious arrangement of space-blanket and string.  We were 
mobbed periodically by the campsite's cheeky apostlebirds, which would 
come and visit us, seemingly wanting nothing but our company (and 
food, and water).  There was a steady stream of overnighters while we 
were at the park, but no-one other than our VW friends seemed to spend 
any time there.

After three nights, we packed up one fine morning and drove back to 
Broken Hill, to spend a day sightseeing.  The town is quite 
interesting, providing insights into Australia's politics and labour 
relations.  The "Daily Truth" ("Labour will Prevail" on its early 
masthead) is still flourishing, while the opposition paper ("An 
Independent Voice" [of Capital]) is now a parking lot.  After stocking 
up with food, we scuttled off down another long, hot road to Kinchega.

This is at the edge of the Menindee Lakes, and we expected to see 
teeming birdlife among vast lakes on the banks of the Darling River.  
While there was water in the river, the lakes themselves were pretty 
dry. Allegedly a huge rice-grower drained them dry not too long ago. 
We found a very nice secluded campsite next to the river. after having 
had our car chased by other campers' dogs, and were woken by some 
locals driving through the site to bundu-bash their way down to the 
river to fetch bait. We got the feeling that Kinchega was really a 
place for day-trippers; there was no evidence that anyone was trying 
to educate us about the place or provide access to special sights or 
atmospheres, and it somehow had an air of faint decay. We drove and 
walked around a bit, valiantly trying to see the point of it all, 
admitted defeat after half a day, and headed for Mungo.

We had originally planned to drop in on Mungo en route back, if time 
allowed.  Instead, we had two idyllic days exploring the eroded sand 
dunes and environs.  While it is scenic, the "carved" dunes that are 
its hallmark ("The Walls of China") were formed by erosion from feral 
rabbits and goats, helped along by domestic stock.  If anyone wants 
convincing that rabbits in Australia pose a real risk to the 
environment, they need merely visit Mungo for a few days.  Rabbits 
scuttle around like cockroaches and after a very short time you start 
viewing them in much the same way. Mungo has a comprehensive visitor 
information centre, and a number of self-guided interpretive trails.  
The camp site was about half-full, but laid out in such a way that we 
never felt crowded.  The crowning glory was visiting the dunes at 
sunset, watching the colours of the sands change with the changing 
light.  Each evening, we would drive through a flock of galahs and 
Major Mitchell cockatoos, which would move down the road in front of 
the car, 10 metres at a time.

We even had to use our tent, as it rained on our last night.  Not 
much, and with no visible effect, but it rained.  Our trip back was 
just ahead of a storm, under lowering skies, with rain visible on 
every side, but never where we were.  Well, almost never, we had about 
ten drops fall on us.  The Land Rover misbehaved for the first time, 
with the temperature gauge climbing into the red after an hour or so.  
We stopped to check everything that we could think of, and let it cool 
off, before setting off at a reduced speed.  At the point where we 
stopped to check out the car, we hadn't seen another car for about two 
hours, and everywhere we looked was huge, empty space. Not really 
somewhere you would want to find yourself in serious trouble. Still, 
it wasn't all that remote, and a car would almost certainly have 
happened by within a few hours, if we had really been stuck.

Our 800 km return trip had stops only for fuel and food, but speeds 
were seldom over 80 km/hr to keep the temperature down.  It wasn't 
just that the engine was a bit warm, or the radiator a bit choked; the 
whole car was incandescent by the time we hit the Snowy Mountains and 
the rain.  Maybe I was panicking overmuch, as the temperature sender 
is ex-Holden, and the gauge itself is standard, so the readings may be 
suspect, but I didn't want to take any chances.

As a reward for its trouble-free performance, the Land Rover got new 
oil and filters throughout, and I have even replaced the swivel seals 
at last.  I used split seals, which makes it a one-hour job; it isn't 
even necessary to use a jack!  Before any future Outback trips, I'll 
try to check the temperature gauge, flush the cooling system and maybe 
even try to fit an oil cooler.  The clutch stopped working the day 
after we returned, which was excellent timing.  I overhauled the 
hydraulics, and now it's better than ever.

We could probably have done the whole trip in a VW Golf, with two 
sleeping bags and a Coke-bottle of water, but felt far more 
comfortable and secure with the Land Rover, two 20 litre cans of 
water, and the like.  All in all, not a bad performance, for a 20-
year-old car! 

--
   Paul Nash                Real Men make bechamel on medium heat
   <paul@frcs.alt.za>    37 Tyson St, Ainslie ACT 2602, AUSTRALIA

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From: paul@frcs.alt.za (Paul Nash)
Subject: Re: Magazine Subscription Advertisement.....again!
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:13:16 +1100

> From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
> The folks behind these phoney ads can be reached by e-mail at:
> krazykev@kjl.com   if you want to let them know what you think of their 
> advertising tactics (I just forward their junk mail back to them.)

For what it's worth, "whois -h internic.net kjl.com" gives:

   Kevin Jay Lipsitz (KJL-DOM)
   PO Box 120990
   Staten Island NY  10312-0990

   Domain Name: KJL.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Lipsitz, Kevin Jay  (KJL2)  krazykev@KJL.COM
      718-967-1234

   Record last updated on 25-Aug-95.
   Record created on 20-Apr-95.

Anyone in the 718 area code feel telling him to get lost?  His service
provider is abs.net, who could probably be pressurised into dropping
his service:

   ABSnet Internet Services (ABS3-DOM)
   200 East Lexington Street
   Suite 1602
   Baltimore, MD  21202

   Domain Name: ABS.NET

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Leadmon, Howard  (HL52)  howardl@ABS.NET
      (410)-361-8160

   Record last updated on 20-Jul-95.
   Record created on 14-Apr-95.

Before I tell Kevin (and his network service provider) exactly
why I think his mail is inappropriate, I just want to be sure
that this _is_ the right address.  No reservations?  Can I
do something like:

   while true; do
      mail -s "Fuck off and die, spammer" krazykev@kjl.com < /vmunix
   done

without having to worry that I'm hammering the wrong guy?

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Date: 15 Jan 1996 02:47:27 U
From: "Bill Wright" <Bill_Wright@cpqm.saic.com>
Subject: [1]The Land Rover Owner Dai

        Reply to:   [1]The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Warmest regards from Costa Rica.  I currently plan to return to the office on
January 29th.  If you absolutely need to contact me while I'm on vacation,
both Lynda Houston and Millie Steele have my itinerary and phone numbers.
I'll take action on your e-mail as soon as I can.
Bill
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Date: 1/15/96 2:44 AM
From: Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.co

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	  Contents:
  1 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Sun Jan 14 02:51   34/2016  Re: Opening
beer bottles
  2 sinasohn@crl.com   Sun Jan 14 02:57   32/1702  Re: Salesmen
  3 sinasohn@crl.com   Sun Jan 14 02:57   36/2022  Re: Series vs. New costs
  4 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Sun Jan 14 03:14   48/2948  Re: Snobbery
message
  5 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Sun Jan 14 03:20   28/1886  Re: Auto
Insurance
  6 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Sun Jan 14 03:33   57/3338  Re: tool kits
  7 Bill_Wright@cpqm.saic.com Sun Jan 14 05:24  105/5557  [1]The Land Rover
Owner D
  8 DRead@gnn.com      Sun Jan 14 09:20   63/3096  Auto Show Report
  9 IIIDmentia@gnn.com Sun Jan 14 09:25   26/1364  Re: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Maga
 10 IIIDmentia@gnn.com Sun Jan 14 09:31   28/1434  Chain mail & Junk mail
 11 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Sun Jan 14 09:46   67/3081  Re: tool kits
 12 IIIDmentia@gnn.com Sun Jan 14 09:57   26/1332  I'm pissed... FIGHT BACK!
 13 garym@cais.cais.com Sun Jan 14 10:48   31/1503  How to drive a 4WD in sno
 14 smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil Sun Jan 14 11:53   37/1659  Matchbox D90
 15 BDaviscar@aol.com  Sun Jan 14 12:10   25/1096  Re: land Rover camping
 16 velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk Sun Jan 14 12:14   20/1060  Re: Opening beer
bottles
 17 skidmore@mitre.org Sun Jan 14 13:00  260/16594 Re: Time to purchase Seat
 18 BDaviscar@aol.com  Sun Jan 14 13:56   38/1414  Anybody got a spare?
 19 jcwhite3@well.com  Sun Jan 14 14:28   67/2985  Re: What do you keep in Y
 20 JEPurnell@aol.com  Sun Jan 14 14:44   18/1007  Aluminum Filler for LR Ri
 21 garym@cais.cais.com Sun Jan 14 15:22   40/1688  Re: Aluminum Filler for L
 22 bjjen13b@telepost.no Sun Jan 14 16:30   30/1598  Snobbery etc
 23 ecoethic@rcinet.com Sun Jan 14 17:02   45/2944  Re: Stripping Galvanized 
 24 ericz@cloud9.net   Sun Jan 14 18:14   32/1244  Re: Opening beer bottles
 25 ericz@cloud9.net   Sun Jan 14 18:14   21/1113  U Bolts
 26 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Sun Jan 14 18:44   35/2198  Re: U Bolts
 27 CarDoctor@gnn.com  Sun Jan 14 19:14   40/1639  Brake Drum Screws?
 28 lzeltzer@isdnet.com Sun Jan 14 19:26   50/2424  Re: South of the Border
 29 CORDINGD@mail.navmat.navy.gov.au Sun Jan 14 20:20   47/2847  Re: Brake
Drum Screws?
 30 rosenbau@u.washington.edu Sun Jan 14 21:04   37/2025  Re: U Bolts
 31 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Sun Jan 14 21:37   85/4205  Re: U Bolts
 32 swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu Sun Jan 14 22:11   42/1954  Re: Land Rover movie
sigh
 33 70472.1130@compuserve.com Sun Jan 14 23:12   31/1777  Disco Air DAMN
 34 sbar@jna.com.au    Sun Jan 14 23:47   33/1437  RE: Brake Drum Screws?
 35 BDaviscar@aol.com  Sun Jan 14 23:50   41/1819  Re: U Bolts
 36 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Mon Jan 15 00:11   44/2746  Re: U Bolts
 37 aryeh@tribal.com   Mon Jan 15 00:20   57/2846  New Disco Owner Problems
 38 landrvr@blacdisc.com Mon Jan 15 00:33   61/2772  Re: Fuel pumps and heater
 39 landrvr@blacdisc.com Mon Jan 15 00:33   37/1635  RE: High lift mounting
 40 landrvr@blacdisc.com Mon Jan 15 00:33   41/1941  Re: Series IIA Dash
 41 bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil Mon Jan 15 00:57   41/2682  Da Prince O'
Darkness (wa
 42 tonyy@BoM.GOV.AU   Mon Jan 15 01:07   51/2178  'Nother Joke (fwd)

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Subject: Re: Opening beer bottles 
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:53:41 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

P. "Gap" Hirsch wrote:
  
] Sorry, guys, you have me confused.  Dashboard? Bumper?  Windscreen bolts?  
] Is the Series crowd getting a little plushmobiley here?  I thought *real* 
] men used nothing but their teeth!

	Urban legand says the same thing about real men and hand grenades,
until you actually have to arm and throw a gr

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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Journey to the bottom of the toolbox
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:46:20 +0000 (GMT)

I tidied out my toolbox yesterday- OK, I kicked it over. This is what I
found:
mole grips                         water pump pliers
ass. sockets & extensions          ass. spanners
strap wrench                       various screwdrivers
lump hammer                        ball joint splitter
cold chisel                        insulating tape
cable ties                         radiator cap
circlip pliers                     baling wire
empty fag packet                   some oily fluff
kitchen scissors                   penknife
a 2p piece                         electrical wire
3 biro tops                        junior hacksaw + blades
unidentified metal thing           some small pieces of string
a pencil                           a lighter (no gas but flint OK)
selection of nuts, washers etc.    a twig
tube of instant gasket (solid)

-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(01475) 530581  Fax:(01475) 530601

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:02:25 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Re: Re: Names

>Anyway, I don't give names to anything.
Anon( Ymous)

I wonder how do you differentiate between the same objects then? e.g. womem,
Landrovers, dogs en cats? I can see the advantage in case of the womem
though ;-)

BTW there seems to be a greater overlap in interests than just Landrovers.
I owned 3 Hobiecats, one 14( named "Purple Turtle" sailnr 26863) and two
16's, named "What's Hot?" sailnr 21115 and named "Dame Blanche" sailnr
74258), I also own a cat(named "Boris") and a Bernese Mountain Dog maned "Bas".
LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
                ____
      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Discovery, VG-XH-66
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#         "The Chameleon"
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
[|_/  \|_____|_/  \_|]
  ( o )        ( o )

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:22:32 -0500
Subject: Re: New Disco Owner Problems

On 14 Jan 96 at 22:17, Aryeh Goretsky wrote:
. . . . 
> This is a brand-new (the problem happened when the Discovery was only 2 
> days old) vehicle so as you can understand, I am quite upset.
. . . .

It is reasonable to be upset under these conditions. When my Check
Engine light came on 30 minutes after leaving the dealer with my new
car and then again two days later I was upset. When the market
research firm called to see how I liked my new car I gave them an
earful. Do the dealers and LRNA understand the importance of a bad
first impression? 

--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Mon, 15 Jan 1996 11:47:14 +0000
Subject:       Re: similarities (or 6 degrees of seperation)

On 15 Jan 96, Roy Wassili wrote:

> BTW there seems to be a greater overlap in interests than just
> Landrovers. I owned 3 Hobiecats, one 14( named "Purple Turtle" sailnr
> 26863) and two 16's, named "What's Hot?" sailnr 21115 and named "Dame
> Blanche" sailnr 74258), I also own a cat(named "Boris") and a Bernese
> Mountain Dog maned "Bas".
Wow!

I used to teach sailing (mainly Wayfarers, but several other dingies as 
well).

I used to be owned by a cat called Boris (10+ years ago), but I now one of 
a dozen pets for a cat called Cesear (and bogie and chicken and smokie 
and...)

I don't own a dog, but most of my relatives do.

Cor! - it's a small world ain't it.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1995: "The archididascalus is to be rusticated and will
                cease to be an abecedarian on the 1st of April"

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 7:47:36 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: Great Storm!/Comments.

Hi all,
Finally got my D90 back from Rover's North. They left Friday @ 11am but by 
3pm it was snowing real hard here in Mass. It was so bad that they didn't 
get to my dealer, LRMW in Natick until 6:30pm! (this is usually a 4 to 4.5 
hr drive).
I left for the drive back to Sturbridge around 7:30pm and got home around 
9pm. 
It was a great ride! Especially sense I had been driving around in a 
Toyota Corolla for the last 4 or 5 storms. The snow was very heavy, wet, 
slushy, and SLIPPERY! None of the roads had been touched and there was 
about 5 to 6" on the ground. Right before I left a woman pulled in with 
her D90 all smashed in the front right corner. Bumper, brush bar and 
fender all CRUNCHED! She said that the car in front of her did three 360's 
in the middle of the MASS turnpike and then she hit him. The dealership 
sent someone out and pulled her bumper away from her tire and she was able 
to drive off.

I saw two cars that had gone right up on top of the middle gard rail and 
were stuck there with their wheels hanging in mid air, and several two car 
pile ups on the Mass pike as well. I took my time and the D90 just plowed 
thru everything. When I got to my house it was a great to be able to drive 
right up my driveway again, (450' and very steep)!

A few things I would like to comment on;

1- Some people have posted about D90 shifting being notchy between first 
and second gear. RN put Amsoil senthetic's in my transfer, transmission, 
swivel ball's, and diff's. Cold weather operation, noise level of the 
drivetrain and shifting smoothness have all been noticeably improved. 
Another thing you can try for shifting is shift out of first then into 
second as two moves instead of one. This seems to let the syncro's mesh 
better, it helped a couple of people I have talked to.

2- Check your oil pan and valve cover bolts! All of mine were loose and 
needed to be re-torqued. I only have 15K miles on the truck.

3- 1995 D90 rear tail lights as you have already heard are prone to 
corrosion. Remove and clean them. Try to seal them up or pack them with 
the proper grease. Another solution might be to swap them with 1994 square 
rear lights. These lights don't have any problems and you can get the lamp 
gards for them to boot. (ok, ok they look cool too).

4- WD40 works great on all of those silver (white metal?) bolts on the 
truck. If you start to see them getting a powdery white coat on them from 
moisture or salt, give them a good spray. This drives out the water and 
returns the metal to as new.    

Cheers!
Barnett
Happy to be Roverin' again!
Childress
Sturbridge, MA. 

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From: J.M.Steel@iti.salford.ac.uk
Date: 15 Jan 96 13:11
Subject: Automatic 2-4wd

I've been folloing the list for a while now and have come to the opinion that
in general, it is inhabited by a knowledgeable bunch of people.  I have one
question, which might have been mentioned before, but I can't recollect seeing
it.  In a recent advert on TV, I heard that one of these new 4x4's (a
Mitsubish I think) can switch automatically from 2wd to 4wd at speeds of up to
60mph.  It this true and if so, what advantages would it offer to a serious 4wd
owner.
I'm sure somebody will have opinions on this even though it is not really LR
related.

James Steel
SIIA - TBT 224H

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:20:05
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Mag subscription Rip-off...what to do

Once again the forces of darkness have loosed themselves upon us.Someone is 
trying to steal from us by using a thinly veiled chain letter scam. This is 
WRONG! 
This person is in violation of the Federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 
1986. This law is INTERNATIONAL in scope so anyone outside the USA who is 
receiving junk like this from the states can report it as well. 
To report this kind of violation, contact the Federal Bureau of 
Investigation, by E-mail at nccs@fbi.gov, or by calling 202-324-9164.
If they can't fix his wagon, I don't know who can. Any other suggestions?

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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From: BDaviscar@aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:28:24 -0500
Subject: what do you put your tools into?

Hi all

So many of you have said what tools you take with you. That I just want to
know What do you put them all in?  Someone said an ammo box but how about the
"spares" 88's don't have all that much space to spare.  and no jokes like in
a tool box ok?

Bruce  Chicago
67 SIIA 88  Patches

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:52:16
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Re: Automatic 2-4wd

Pushing a button (or having an engineer decide when) to activate the 4WD 
seems so....I don't know...Orwellian or Kafka-esque: Someone has devised a 
way of applying technology in order to detach human activity. 
Let's all get out of the car and step in the mud!!

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:07:02 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: New Disco Owner Problems

You've just been visited by His Satanic Majesty the Price of Darkness.
Congratulations on your Bar Mitzvah!  :-)

Seriously though, electrical infelicities are part of a Land Rover's, er,
charm.  Yours does seem a bit young to be exhibiting these yet.  In any
manufacturing process something sometimes gets overlooked.  I wouldn't worry
that this problem means that you've got a lemon.  I'm sure the dealership
will sort it out.  

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery (with an intermittently failing left rear directional awaiting
parts from dealership.)
San Francisco, California

At 22:17 14.01.96 -0700, Aryeh Goretsky wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>Hello,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>buddy and I decided that the vehicle was no longer safe to drive at night
>with the headlights going out and who knows what else would stop working,
etc.  
>Anyways, we were towed back to the dealer (about 180 miles) and right now
>I'm very concerned.  I have two questions now:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 27 lines)]
>Colorado Springs, Colorado
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
>Tribal Voice Software  |Aryeh Goretsky - http://www.tribal.com/staff/aryeh/
>627 W. Midland Dr. #210|WORK EMAIL support@tribal.com AND powwow-faq@tribal.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>Woodland Park, Colorado|TEL +1 (719) 687-0480
>80863-1100  USA        |FAX +1 (719) 687-0716

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From: PDoncaster@aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:14:54 -0500
Subject: Hand Cranking

As I was affecting field repairs in the Lake Ponchatrain Spillway yesterday,
I came up with a few questions I hope y'all can help with....

f.y.i. The spillway is a huge area between the Mississippi river and the
lake. It has enourmous flood gates on the missippi side, since the
mississippi is usually about 8 feet higher than the lake (which makes it 14
feet higher than the city!) It is essentially a half dry swamp, and it's a
great place to play if you have limited time.

Let me get this straight about hand cranking etiquette?? Thumbs on the same
side of the crank as fingers, and always pull up?? Is that the consensus??
Now, if your battery is completely dead, will cand cranking work? Do you need
some juice, or does the alt. create it all?  Could you run without a battery
at all? or how about vice versa, you have a good battery, and your
alternator/generator goes out??? 

I noticed, as I was parked in a small water filled culvert, that there was
some flourecent green liquid mixed in with the mud brown liquid that was
dripping from my engine compartment. So I traced it to the radiator. It
appears to be leaking out of the top right corner, but I cant tell for sure
till I get it out.It is a small leak. Is this somthing that can be repaired,
or am I better off with a new radiator?

Lastly, does anyone have a good way to get broken bleed screws out of the
wheel cylinders?????
I have three broken, and that means 4 new cylinders. Is there a better way?

Peter Doncaster
New Orleans, USA
'64 IIa 88 

               Happy Mardi Gras!

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:09:30 +0000
Subject:       Re: Automatic 2-4wd

On 15 Jan 96, J.M.Steel@iti.salf.ac.uk wrote:

> I heard that one of these new 4x4's (a Mitsubish I think) can switch
> automatically from 2wd to 4wd at speeds of up to 60mph.  It this true
> and if so, what advantages would it offer to a serious 4wd owner. I'm
> sure somebody will have opinions on this even though it is not really LR
> related.
Not alot really.

If your travelling in conditions that actually require 4WD then generally 
you'll be doing less that 30mph - often driving at about 10mph!

The gizmo is great for selling, but useless in the real world.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1995: "The archididascalus is to be rusticated and will
                cease to be an abecedarian on the 1st of April"

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:17:02 -0500
From: rthomas@postoffice.ptd.net (Randall Thomas)
Subject: Re: Great Storm, Amsoil

>1- Some people have posted about D90 shifting being notchy between first 
>and second gear. RN put Amsoil senthetic's in my transfer, transmission, 
>swivel ball's, and diff's. Cold weather operation, noise level of the 
>drivetrain and shifting smoothness have all been noticeably improved. 

I've been running Amsoil in my Range Rover for the past 100,000 miles.
Diffs, transfer, auto trans,
engine, (I run 20w50 all year and have had no trouble, no tappet noise and
no problem cranking even at -20F).   Also running it in my IIA.  If you
change everything over, your Land Rover will go faster.

Pulled 5000 pounds worth of auto transporter and Rover P6B with the RR 400
miles and over the Pocono Mountains in 100F summer heat with no problem.
Also, just did a tranny fluid change at recommended interval and the old
stuff was still translucent.

I'm a believer.

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:23:48 -0800
Subject: Re: U Bolts 

----------------------------- Begin Original Text -------------------------

>	I was being fairly carefully, but sometimes s*** happens. 

Ben I couldn't help but notice that too.  I don't know about you, but
sometimes I wish I wouldn't see quite so much of it.

> I had the least ground clearance on the trail
>  (my tyres 235/75R15s) The Disco chose not to drive the trail,
>  but the 2 other Defenders did, one of which had and used 
:  his air lockers.  (And I'm going to be getting taller tyres in a 
:  month or two)

:  Ben

When I went to 265/70R16 B F Mud Terrains, I was happy about the inch and a
half increased ride height, increased traction in lose surfaces, being able
to drive 60 MPH and stay around 3400 RPM.

But I sure noticed that my low/first rock climbing speed is faster than I
would prefer.  So far I think that is the only situation where the larger
tyres are a disadvantage (speedwise, but an advantage clearence wise).

I wonder how those people with 4 foot monster tyres would do rock crawling.
 At least before they fell over from the high center of gravity.

TeriAnn

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:23:38 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Journey to the bottom of the toolbox

(writing) tube...of...instant...gasket...(solid)...

Thanks, Tom!  By the way, what kind of twig was that, or does it matter?

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California

At 10:46 15.01.96 +0000, Tom Stevenson wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>I tidied out my toolbox yesterday- OK, I kicked it over. This is what I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 28 lines)]
>Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
>University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
>Tel:(01475) 530581  Fax:(01475) 530601

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:38:04 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Automatic 2-4wd

What, and ruin my Church's?!  All the new Land Rovers are full-time 4WD.  No
need to get dirty, unless you're at play.

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California
 
At 08:52 15.01.96, WILLIAM ADAMS wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>Pushing a button (or having an engineer decide when) to activate the 4WD 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>Kensington, MD 20895
>301-949-9475
>'66 S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:48:09 -0800
Subject: Valve Cover and Oil Pan Bolts

I've read a few experiences with bolts coming loose on the 3.5l V8.  In case 
you're wondering, I don't think its an assembly problem.  I've had to tighten my 
valve covers, oil pan and exhaust manifold several times in the 40K or so miles 
I driven my V8 (and I know they were tight when I put the engine in).  It must 
have something to do with the unequal thermal expansion properties of the engine

Regards,
Eric

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:48:13 -0800
Subject: Anti-Seize

Just read a message recommending 'never-sieze' for the brake drum screws.  I 
would also highly recommend this substance for spark plugs on aluminum engines 
(Defender, Disco, RR, Stage I).  The corossion between the steel plug and the 
aluminum head can sometimes make it near impossible to remove the spark plug.

I once broke the plug off in the head of a Toyota I was working on for a friend. 
 Friend was most un-pleased.

You see, we series owners can even offer advice to Disco, RR, and Defender 
owners.  :-)

Eric

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From: Stuart Williams <STUARTW@po1.net.cho.ge.com>
Subject: Ghosts Of Lucas
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 09:54:00 EST

Aryeh,

>I just purchased a new 1996 Discovery three days ago.  Yesterday (Saturday)
>the radio/CD start making popping noises, then the ABS warning light came
>on, followed by the speedometer and tachometer dropping to 0 while driving
>and the headlights dimming,

This sounds suspiciously like a problem reported on this mailing list a 
number of months ago - the connection of the positive battery cable to the 
fuse panel may be loose.  To check for this problem, open the fuse box (in 
the right-hand side of the engine compartment) and remove the plastic cover 
over the main lug attachments.  You'll have to carefully release a few small 
plastic latches to do this without damage.  There were several reports on 
this mailing list of the lug nuts for the battery cables being/coming loose 
and resulting in intermittent voltage drops (resulting in strange electrical 
behavior such as you are seeing) and arcing (which can melt the plastic 
housing and/or cause more serious electrical shorts).  Some folks have added 
lock washers and/or Loctite to the connections in their vehicle (even if 
there wasn't an obvious problem) to prevent their own private Chernobyls ...

Good luck!

Stuart Williams
'95 Discovery 'Great White'
'85 LandCruiser 'Old Paint'

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:52:24 -0800
Subject: Re: U Bolts 
From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com>

>When I went to 265/70R16 B F Mud Terrains, I was happy about the inch and a
>half increased ride height, increased traction in lose surfaces, being able
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
> At least before they fell over from the high center of gravity.
>TeriAnn

You can change the reduction gears in your differentials to keep your 
(off) road speed the same.  That's what the monster truck guys do

                                                        _______
                                                       //_/_|__\___
                                                       \_ - ___ - _d 
                                                         (o)   (o)

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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:48:21 -0500
Subject: What's in my tools kit?

People seem to be forgetting that if *you* aren't comfortable,
you can't fix the 'drover efficiently.  

My toolset, for Sally Xray (a '94 Disco):

	Tools:

1/4" & 3/8" socket sets, from 3 to 21 mm, plus English equivalents
combination wrenches, 6mm to 19 mm.
hex key set (metric)
Screwdrivers
Vise-grips
needlenose pliers
Leatherman tool
2 big adjustable wrenches
oil filter wrench
4-gauge jumper cables
50 feet of mooring line (2000 lb working stress, designed for "shock loading")
3 flashlights (1 regular, 1 pen, 1 "head-light" with Lithium batteries)
Digital voltmeter with "bleeper" continuity and alligator clips on leads

	Spares:

Oil filter
Fan belt
brake pads (front and rear), plus fixing cotters
Light bulb and fuse kit (from Atlantic British- not a bad deal!)
Duct tape
Electrical tape
Clear plastic tape
engine oil
tranny fluid
gear oil
WD-40
white grease
epoxy glue
silicone glue
baling wire, insulated wire, wire crimp connectors
bungee cord
mud flaps (Discos shed mud flaps.  Betcha didn't know that...)
random spare bolts and nuts that don't fit anywhere.

	Other Stuff

Rubber (surgical) gloves
paper towels and Windex
Road flares (2 hrs worth)
Cellphone (with independent power pack)
CB radio
2-meter/440MHz radio transciever
Spare antennas for aboves
First-aid kit
3 Pemmican bars (in case I want a snack)
2 x "Space" blankets (1 ea disposable and reusable, great for rigging
	a sunshade in the hot summer as well as keeping warm in winter)
Cardboard flats (4 thick, covering cargo floor- they're much
	warmer and comfyier to lie on than wet ground when working 
	under Sally, and protect Sally's floor otherwise)
Sleeping bag and pad (only if off interstate or if cool weather possible)

	-Bill Yerazunis  [jeez, no wonder there never seems to be any
	space left for stuff in the wayback...]

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 06:59:59 -0800
Subject: Hand Cranking, Etc.

The way I have always been tought to hand crank (by some old-timers who actually 
did it on a regular basis) is to always pull up and to also keep the thumb on 
the same sides as your fingers.  Just imagine the engine kicking backwards while 
cranking and see where the force will go.  Pulling up with the tips of your 
fingers will only cause the crank to be wrenched out of your hand, nothing else. 
Any other way has the potential to cause injury.

A completely dead battery will not allow your vehicle to start.  You need enough 
juice to make a spark.  The alternator will not provide this juice unless there 
is 'field' juice being provided to it by the battery.  Use caution, because in 
some situations, there may be enough juice in the battery to get a spark but not 
enough to feed the field of the alternator.  In this case you just need a quick 
jump from a good battery.  As soon as the alternator is producing power, you 
have no problem as it works off its own output.

I don't believe this is a problem with a generator but someone with more 
expertese needs to comment.

Eric

______________________
Eric Zipkin
Bedford, NY  USA
109" V8 Hardtop
SII LWB SW  (my father's toy)

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:12:25 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Series IIA Dash

>>Silly questions, but none of the books I have give me any help. On the Series
>>IIA dash panel there are three knobs, but I cannot find out what they are all
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>is for the interior lights and I don't have any bottom right-hand knob... To
>tell you the truth, I don't remember how the '71 IIa is set up (the truck is
>up on the farm - under 4 or 5 feet of snow...)
OK,mines a '70.Top RH *switch* is the panel lights(or panel/interior on
some I've seen).Bottom RH Cold Start,or choke in English(mine is Engine Stop,
being a diesel.Top left are the two inspection lamp sockets,one red,one black.
The owners handbook informs us that not only can a lamp be run off these;I do
and very useful,too;but that you can charge the battery using them as well.
But I wouldnt try it if the vehicle is alternator fitted.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:23:47 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: British Rail FWH (the wrong sort)

I was recently given a a pair of FWH,Selectros,in excellent condition,which
I intended to fit to my '70 11A.But..the things came off a lateish S111 109"
and,of course,are 24 spline insted of 10.
Question is this.Is it feasible to replace the 24 spline "driving" collar
with a ten spline,and go ahead?As I said,the hubs are in good nick,and of
a strong and simple design.Does anyone know where these hubs are made?The
local non-franchise folk that sell them dont do spares.They say that if
they break,the unfortunate owner is expected to but a new pair,which seems
a bit rough to me,since its highly likely only one will have gone,but mainly
because they are about 60 quid a a pair,and I've got better use for 60 quid!
Any comments welcome,apart from the "dont fit 'em" variety:-)
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:15:23 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Automatic 2-4wd

Before I became the owner of "The Chameleon", I owned two LandCruisers( 
LJ 70 2.4 TD), not at the same though . One could shift from 2wd to 4wd on
the fly just by pressing the 4wd button and there was no speed limit, there
was one limitation though, the wheels may not be spinning( or cornering )
while shifting. On the other hand one had to come to a complete stand still
when shifting from 4wd high to 4wd low and use the special HighLow-lever( LR
like ).

LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
                ____
      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Discovery, VG-XH-66
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#         "The Chameleon"
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
[|_/  \|_____|_/  \_|]
  ( o )        ( o )

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From: i.mitchell@ic.ac.uk
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 13:12:08 GMT
Subject: Calling UGANDA (or thereabouts)

Hi there

I am planning a trip to UGANDA, leaving the UK in August of this year.
I am keen to talk to any Land Rover enthusiasts who live in Uganda, or
thereabouts, or anyone who has first hand knowledge of driving through
Africa recently.

We are visiting a village near to Kampala, where we will be working for
9 months teaching orphaned children. We were considering donating our
LR to the school but when I talked to the people running the school,
they said that (and I can hardly print this!) a Japanese 4WD would be
more practical for Uganda as the parts are cheaper and they are in fact
more common. Can anyone comment on this as I felt rather disillusioned
after hearing this :-(

Thanks

Ian

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:30:46 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: RE: LRNA 800 Phone Numbers

stretch@vol.net asked:
Can we complain about the dopes at 800 fine4wd at this #?
Actually all I want is a place to get legit info...thanks

You may want to call LRNA direct.  Their office is on Laurel, MD, and both
times I called I was able to get very nice knowledgable people to talk to.
Their number is +1.301.731.9040.         -Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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Date: 15 Jan 1996 10:37:26 -0500
From: "Bill Skidmore" <skidmore@mitre.org>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Sorry all about the MIME garble.  Thought that the text from Reid's =
posting would've meen attached as text, not encoded like that!

Bill

 ------ From: Owner-LRO@uk.stratus.com, Mon, Jan 15, 1996 ------ 

Subject: Re: Time to purchase Seats

		> THIS IS A MESSAGE IN 'MIME' FORMAT.
		> Some parts of it will be readable as plain text.

----=3D_Sunday, January 14, 1996 12:59
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII"; Name=3D"Message Body"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Barnett;

Interesting you should ask:

1) I looked at the D90SW jump seats, both before and after the info on =
=3D
them was distributed to the dealers - grossly overpriced, and the Dealer =
=3D
said I'd have to do the install, re: insurance liability issues.

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 10:45:44 EST
From: Jack Stansbury <jack@eco.twg.com>
Subject: Update on Blizzard of 1996

As an update to my letter last week, there was an article in the Washington Post 
about the Tischer Land Rover dealer in Laurel. They sold 10 Discoverys in two 
days during the blizzard! Wow!

Jack

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk
Subject: Re: land Rover camping
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:46:42 UNDEFINED

>                                        Since I own an 88 and do a lot of
>camping, I am very interested 
>in the 'cots' TeriAnn mentioned which stretch across the bulkhead. 
>If anyone has any further information on them or has found another 
>interesting way to sleep in their 88, please e-mail me.

I lived for 3 months last winter in my 90. Cots? I just used a sunlounger. 
Fits along the sideboxes and over the bulkhead just like the cots. Cost a 
fraction and is more use outside the lorry too.

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 11:38:10 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Re(2):Re: Time to purchase Seats

Bill,
I was thinking along the same line except mounting the seat as close to 
the speaker as possible to free up space near the Safari cage support for 
ammo cans, or to mount the Jack All, Etc. Do you really end up with about 
a foot of space left over on the wheel box with inward facing bench seats? 
I have tried to measure this, I think the seats are 33" long?
Barnett.

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 11:32:17 -0500
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Anti-Seize/Advice

>Eric says; "See series owners can even offer advice to you Discovery, RR, 
and >Defender owners."
>Snip.

And some of us read and even believe it!!
Ha!
Cheers,
Barnett
95 D90

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 08:58:45 -0800
Subject: Re: New Disco Owner Problems

I had a similar problem on my 95 disco. Finally, the thing died and restarting
was impossible to difficult. Problem turned out to be that the connection from
the altenator to the fusebox had loosened at the fuse box. This did some damage
to the fusebox and they also had to replace the alternator cable. Sounds very
similar.

YMMV. I would have figured they had removed that enhancement by now.

On Jan 14, 10:17pm, Aryeh Goretsky wrote:
> Subject: New Disco Owner Problems

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

Hello,

I just purchased a new 1996 Discovery three days ago.  Yesterday (Saturday)
the radio/CD start making popping noises, then the ABS warning light came
on, followed by the speedometer and tachometer dropping to 0 while driving
and the headlights dimming, this happened several times while driving and my
buddy and I decided that the vehicle was no longer safe to drive at night
with the headlights going out and who knows what else would stop working, etc.

Anyways, we were towed back to the dealer (about 180 miles) and right now
I'm very concerned.  I have two questions now:

1.  Does anyone know what's wrong?  The problem seems to be electrical, but
    it affected several systems which I don't think are related and just
    could be a symptom of some other problem.

2.  What should I do?  I'm considering telling the dealer that I want a new
    vehicle.  This one obviously has faults in it and there's no telling
    what else is wrong with the electrical system or what else was damaged
    or otherwise had its life-expectancy reduced.

This is a brand-new (the problem happened when the Discovery was only 2
days old) vehicle so as you can understand, I am quite upset.  I had purchased
the Discovery because I nned a safe vehicle to drive in here in Colorado and
this seemed to be a good choice based on what I've read on the web and after
talking to a couple of friends who own LR's.  Now I'm not so sure I've made
the right decision.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
Colorado Springs, Colorado
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tribal Voice Software  |Aryeh Goretsky - http://www.tribal.com/staff/aryeh/
627 W. Midland Dr. #210|WORK EMAIL support@tribal.com AND powwow-faq@tribal.com
Woodland Park, Colorado|TEL +1 (719) 687-0480
80863-1100  USA        |FAX +1 (719) 687-0716

>-- End of excerpt from Aryeh Goretsky

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:02:22 -0800
From: russ burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Dealers.

Lrna dealers are like any one else, you just have to train them.
If more people in t shirts and jeans buy cars, then they will
be more sensitive to you.
I can say the dealership in Detroit is very good, and has
always given me and my friends very good service. I wear old tennis 
shoes, tee shirts, and ratty clothing when I visit the dealer, and
they even interduce me to potential three piece suit buyers....
If you went to a dealer and did not get the proper service, then
by all means complain. I am sure that LRNA is concerned. It does
want your money. If you are just jumping on the  band wagon then
don't bother, as you will just dillute the real complaints.
The managment of LRNA I have talk to is very concerned with their dealer
image and I am sure will be open to any valid, and logical complaint.

Russ Burns (2 cents worth)

Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 14:09:49 EST
From: "Wharton, Skip" <wharton@mail.scra.org>
Subject: Re: Hugo still for sale?

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
  
  Dave Brobeck wrote:
     >Sorry I forgot your name, but i remembered the Landies', if that 
     >counts! Is Hugo still for sale, or was it Jesse? Can't remember your 
     >name so I'm putting this out to the whole world!
     >Cheers
     >'Dave.
     
     Dave -
     
     It was Rick Crider who had Hugo for sale.  I haven't talked with Rick in a 
     while, but I think it's still up for sale.
     
     His address is rickcrider@aol.com
     
     If you don't get a response I've got his phone number at home & I'll send 
     it to you.
     
     Skip Wharton
     wharton@scra.org
     From the Holy City of Charleston, SC
     '72 Series IIA 
     

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From: DucNut@aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: My 1980 Rover SD-1 / 3500

Hi all -

Okay, so what's the deal with these SD-1's.  Mine is in great shape (ok, so
the 
interior needs some work), has the european headlights, newish shocks, 
struts, steering rack, new hi-pressure fuel pump, etc. and nobody seems
to want to buy the darn thing.   If I had extra room in the garage I wouldn't
care.

Should I just keep it and wait for the elusive 109" in need of an engine
transplant ( I know, blasphemy and all...) or what?!

In search of comments, opinions, offers,...

keith armstrong
'94 Disco (the green car)

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From: ChrisF6724@aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:20:07 -0500
Subject: Friendly smiles.

I have notice the posting track on how newer Range Rover owners seldom
acknowledge the Series owners on the road.   You're not alone!  Since my
Series 3 has been broken down, I've been tooling around town  in a restored
'71 Datsun 240Z.  The other drivers in older Z cars smile and wave, but not a
single glance from new Z car owners.  I don't really think the other owners
are trying to snub you, I just think older car owners generally see the older
car and are happy to see another member of their "club".  Most new car owners
don't see themselves or cars as belonging to a certain group or identity
(other than he-man/macho, Camel smoking, outdoorsy type)...  Newer owners
generally just see another car..(excluding the members of this list of
course!)

BTW,  Willy's Jeep owners almost always wave at me ;-)

Chris Fisher    '73 LR88 Series 3

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From: Nick_Baggarly@cinnamon.mcafee.com
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 11:47:53 PST
Subject: Re: New Disco Owner Problems

1.  Does anyone know what's wrong?  The problem seems to be electrical, but
    it affected several systems which I don't think are related and just 
    could be a symptom of some other problem.

          Aryeh,

          The electrics on british vehicles have always been a bit
          flakey and are the butt of many LUCAS jokes. They're made by
          LUCAS electrics. Some people even think all Land Rovers are
          cursed. Haunted by LUCAS himself (they call him the Prince
          of Darkness).

          But seriously, I have seen this before and heard a lot of
          similar complaints from new rover owners. My point of view
          is that the design of the vehicle is quite solid. The
          quality control, however leaves a lot to be desired. Don't
          worry. This probably is not a big problem. Typically new
          owners have these problems and you simply need to take it
          back to the dealer a couple times to get things squared
          away. Their service people are probably quite familiar with
          the causes of these problems as I'm sure they've seen them
          before. Have them fixed and I'm sure they'll make you happy.

2.  What should I do?  I'm considering telling the dealer that I want a new
    vehicle.  This one obviously has faults in it and there's no telling
    what else is wrong with the electrical system or what else was damaged 
    or otherwise had its life-expectancy reduced.

          Doubtfull that the electrical problems you've experienced
          have caused anything to go wrong in other areas of the
          vehicle.

-Nick

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:56:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Ross Leidy <ross@secant.com>
Subject: Re: Friendly smiles.

At 02:20 PM 1/15/96 -0500, you wrote:

>I have notice the posting track on how newer Range Rover owners seldom
>acknowledge the Series owners on the road.   You're not alone!  Since my
[snip]
>Chris Fisher    '73 LR88 Series 3
>acknowledge the Series owners on the road.   You're not alone!  Since my

I would welcome the opportunity to wave at a series owner.  However, I've
never seen one in person.  Here in Cleveland, OH US they must be scarce.

Friendly with no outlet,

-Ross
__________________________________________
Ross Leidy          Senior Technical Staff
ross@secant.com     Secant Technologies
95 NAS D90 #3032    Beachwood, OH  USA
 

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:02:02 -0800
From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden)
Subject: junk mail!

To Whomever is attempting to sell magazines on our digest, please note that
Junk mail on the Internet, particularly group lists, will muster widespread
outrage.  When inevitabley legistlation is contemplated, rest assured that
user groups will do everything in their power to restrict such abuse! 
 Please stop wasting bandwidth!  
Gary Madden
Apple Computer
Cupertino, Ca.
408-862-7603
maddeng@apple.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 14:46:39 UT
From: "Douglas Main, jr" <douglastmain@msn.com>
Subject: Used Parts

Hello Fiends,

I am looking for some used parts for my series III.  Here is the short list:

Series III Bulkhead in very good or restoreable condition

2.25 petrol engine with or without 8:1 head

That's it.  If you are close to CT that's even better.

Please drop me a line if you have what I need: douglastmain@msn.com

Thanks,

Doug 

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:25:12 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: The beer bottle war is heating up

>P. "Gap" Hirsch wrote:
>] Sorry, guys, you have me confused.  Dashboard? Bumper?  Windscreen bolts?  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>	Urban legand says the same thing about real men and hand grenades,
>until you actually have to arm and throw a grenade.  Then you realize much 
that 
>would hurt your teeth.  Much easier to use a finger to pull the pin, or in this
>case, use the appropriate LR provided tool. 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>isn't a plushmobile.
>Ben

Ben - see what Soren from Denmark has to say about this:

>From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
>Subject: Re: Opening beer bottles
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>rgds
>sv/aurens

And you working for the Armed Forces and not knowing that!
Just in case:  ;>)  just joshing!
Peter

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: junk mail!
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:49:07 -0800

I've often wondered which is worse, the Junk Mail messages or the 10+ 
replies (like this one :-) complaining about the junk mail. While annoying, 
and for some costly in terms of connect time, etc. I think just pressing the 
delete key is the most effective response since they invariably come from 
bogus or anonymous alias's replying is usually futile.

My favorite example of this was the e-mail warning about the "infected" 
e-mail message which insisted you should forward the warning far and wide 
when in reality there was no viral e-mail and the "virus" was the warning 
itself! 

Just adding to the background noise of the information superhighway.
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:46:26
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Re: Hand Cranking,Broken bleed screws

Two things to try when bleed screws screw up.
1. On Vehicle: Assuming heat, lubricants and swearing have been to no avail, 
then you must find a way to apply torque. An engine stud wrench may fit, or, 
if the bleed screw is broken, a screw extractor may work. If they're really 
bad, you may have to take them...
2. Off the vehicle: You need a drill press and a drill the EXACT size of the 
screw SHANK. Fit the cylinder in a vise or other fixture and drill out the 
offending screw shank, leaving threads behind. Clean up the threads and clean 
everything in brake fluid like there's no tomorrow.

One caveat: be sure the cylinders are not scored or pitted inside. A badly 
stuck bleed screw is a good sign the cylinders have deteriorated beyond 
repair. Since your LIFE depends on their dependable operation, scrap any 
questionable wheel cylinder and replace it.

Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:47:33 +0000
From: RMILLER@Middlebury.edu (Raoul Miller)
Subject: Re: Dealers in the UK

 I would be curious, however, to see how
>owners/prospective buyers are treated elsewhere (UK and OZ for instance).  Are
>the experiences in North America unique....or has it infiltrated the entire
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>How can such a great product be sold in such an amateurish fashion?
>Eric
Last summer, while I was home visiting my mother in the UK, I thought it
would be fun to go and test drive a 90 or a 110 with the TDi engine.  Went
to a dealer in south Cumbria who studiously ignored me for over 20 minutes
while he made a number of personal phone calls.  Grabbed brochures and
left.  Then I called our local dealers in Blackburn Lancs. to arrange a
test drive - even told them to call Dr. Miller thinking it might impress
them (it never works on anyone else!)  Obviously they were busy people
because they didn't call back that time or the subsequent time I called.  I
called Solihull to get the name of Customer Service people, they didn't
return my call.  Finally I wrote to LR and addressed letter to Managing
Director - by this time concerned that such a good product was represented
by such bozos.  Never heard anything back.  Wrote to LRNA asking whether
they had plans to import 110 again or plans to introduce TDi option.  No
reply to either letter.
        It's really sad that such a great product is held back by rude,
lazy fools.  What are LRNA going to do when the D90 and Disco are no longer
flavour of the month and actually have to be sold?  Perhaps LRNA are more
British than we would like them to be (in that 1970s "not my job" kind of
way).

Raoul Miller
Middlebury, VT
No LR over here, but e-mail about your wrecked 109s!

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From: Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com
Date: 15 Jan 96 16:51:16 -0500
Subject: Re: New Disco Owner Problems

Re: Numerous tales of Lucas-haunted Discos.

My Disco developed numerous electrical problems in the first 1,000 miles. 
These involved the tachometer, the burglar alarm system, the radio and the 
taillights. Almost all of these problems turned out to be poorly seated 
electrical connections. The dealership dutifully took the dash apart and 
spent many hours checking and reseating every conenction and all is well 
now. They reported finding several connectors not fully seated.

This is definitely not Lucas and his brethern. This is just sloppy assembly 
pure and simple.

Mark

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:30:15 -0500
From: Bob Sobolevitch <bobs@caster.ssw.upenn.edu>
Subject: Land Rover Defender

At the suggestion of one of your group I am posting this in hopes of some
advice or offers. I posted a notice on a newsgroup <rec.auto 4x4> and
apparently made so many LR blunders that I will try to be politically
correct here - and in any case I assume you know Rover.

I bought some raffle tickets from the Philadelphia Fairmont Park Grand
Vintage Grand Prix. The prize was a new Land Rover Defender. Last week I
found, to my amazement, that I won the car. (based on my past life
experience - one buys tickets - winning is not part of the deal)
Unfortunately timing (and my physical shape) are such that I cannot use the
car. I just bought one and that I do need, and since I am 6'6" tall and
weigh in at 365 pounds the fit is - shall we say - a bit tight <g>. Actually
I would like to keep it - but paying the tax, paying the insurance, not
converting it to cash to have a very enjoyable toy - would probably mean my
assassination by my wife of 35 years. Had it happened a few months earlier I
would have traded for a Discovery - but they are a lot more money.

In any case I would like to sell the car. Title is currently held by Rover -
and it is residing in at a dealer in West Chester, PA. The car has 1100
miles on it - put on by the members of the group holding the raffle and
driving it to various car events as part of their promotion. It has never
been titled - and I would like to avoid that simply because to get a tag in
Pennsylvania means I pay a 6% tax on a car I plan to sell - and means that
the buyer would get a car with a "b" title - a used car even if I don't
drive it a mile.

I think you guys probably know the car better than I do. I have been told -
but can't confirm, that this is the last new 1995 Defender in the US and
that Rover does not plan to import any more - so there are no 1996's. The
car is yellow, has a soft top, roll bars at every angle they could think of,
a 4.0 liter V8 that develops 182 hp. It has a 5 speed stick shift - and
looks as if it could go anywhere.

I am seeing what the dealer will offer me for it. I would rather that the
car go to someone who really loves Rovers and cars. Let me know if you are
interested or if you know what a fair price would be for a car like this.

Somehow using the word "car" to describe a Defender doesn't seem right.

Bob Sobolevitch

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:41:02 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Reach out and touch somebody

Aaarrrgghhh!  More of these damned magazine subscriptions.  I feel the need 
to reach out and *spam* somebody.  Last go 'round, someone named KrazyKev 
(domain unknown) was identified as the culprit.  If someone will send me his 
address, I'll dump a couple o' megs on him.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:54:49 -0800
Subject: re:Anti-Seize/Advice

On Mon, 15 Jan 96, "barnett childress"  wrote:

>>Eric says; "See series owners can even offer advice to you Discovery, RR, 
>and >Defender owners."
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>Barnett
>95 D90

Hey, that's your problem.  I'm just trying to offer an olive branch :-)

Eric

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 15 Jan 96 16:46:53 MST
Subject: BROKEN U-BOLT

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
I broke a U-bolt off my 109. High centered the mounting plate (bolt) on a
rock. It was only 1 of the 2 one the right rear, and I drove it for several
weeks like that until I got around to fixing it. Probably around 1000 miles
or so.

Dave (not so smart...) Brown

#=======#          ________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___     /__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}   \_/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:21:54 +1000
From: Richard Clarke <clarker@goldy.agvic.gov.au>
Subject: U-bolts and brake drum screws

In my experience U bolts brake after they work loose (for what ever 
reason)  I like to use new spring washers and two nuts.  Two nuts 
also alow you to remove them in the bush stripping the second bolt on 
the battered thread but also re threading it, then the second nut 
will usually come off (and go back on) fairly easily.   Often when 
the U bolts come loose the spring slides a bit, shearing off the 
spring centre bolt - Terri-Ann I'd check that if I were you

When you eventually get the brake drum screw out but a little grease 
on the new one befor you put it back (put grease on all such bolts 
particularly if they are to get wet or salty and even years later 
they will come out)

Richard Clarke
Ser 1 80"
Ser II 88"
110 Isuzu Wagon
Bits and pieces
Australia
Richard Clarke
Manager Internal Audit Services
Department of Agriculture, Energy and Minerals
Victoria 
Australia

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From: "David Chamberlain (Starwave)" <davidcha@starwave.com>
Subject: Defender 90 & warranties
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 16:49:00 PST

Does anyone have good/bad experiences with warranties on Defender 90s?  I   
am about to purchase a '94 model and I want to know if the $2K add is   
worth it.  This will cover me up to 80K miles or 7 years.  Have you had   
something fail that wasn't covered (I know, who hasn't :-)).

On another note, I would also like to install a 2nd gasoline tank into my   
new Defender.  If you have any experiences/ uggestions regarding this,   
please forward.  Please respond to me privately.

Thanks,
davidcha@starwave.com  

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:28:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Gordon Rea 660-0216 (NTO Vanc.) <grea@net.gov.bc.ca>
Subject: Are PCV valves needed??

There was discussion last week regarding PCV valves that vent presure	
build-up in the crankcase. I checked my engine (2.25l) and I see
a short hose dirrectly from the valve cover to the air intake. 
I suspect that the valve was removed and never replaced and the engine
seems to run as well as can be expected. What would the consequences
of operating without a PCV valve, essentially having passitive & negative
crankcase ventilation? 

Regards, Gordon
1965 SII 88 "Sherpa"

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:04:46 -0700
From: Aryeh Goretsky <aryeh@tribal.com>
Subject: Re: New Disco Owner Problems

Hello Gerald,

I went to the dealer this morning to drop off my keys and he showed me 
a wire that was lose on the alternator and said this was the source of
the problems.  They said this had happened only once before to a Land
Rover they sold.  IMHO, if it has happened before they should have 
alerted the manufacturer and checked them on each vehicle they sell 
before they leave the lot.

I'll pick the Discovery up tomorrow night and see how it does.  If it
has any further problems then I'm getting a new one or a refund of my
money.

How is your LR handling the weather in MA?

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

At 06:22 AM 1/15/96 -0500, Gerald wrote:
>On 14 Jan 96 at 22:17, Aryeh Goretsky wrote:
>. . . . 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
>Massachusetts, U.S.
>g@ix.netcom.com
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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:21:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Dealers in the UK

On 15 Jan 96 at 16:47, Raoul Miller wrote:
[About bad experience at dealer in UK and writing to LR in Solihull.]

In November I went into the LR dealer in London Mayfair. I was in
jeans and the sales rep in a suit. The rep there was very pleasant
explained some of the differences between NA and UK specs and gave me
some brochures to enable me to make more comparisons. This dealer
exports lots of cars, but none to North America - LR won't let them. 

--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:22:12 -0700
From: Aryeh Goretsky <aryeh@tribal.com>
Subject: Re: Ghosts Of Lucas

Hello Mr. Williams,

The vehicle is actually being repaired by the dealer, not me, and I do
not really feel comfortable working on an automobile but I will if any
of the bolts on the fuse panel were loose and if the fuse box was
removed and inspected for damage.  Thank you for your reply!

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky

At 09:54 AM 1/15/96 EST, Stuart Williams wrote:
>Aryeh,
>>I just purchased a new 1996 Discovery three days ago.  Yesterday (Saturday)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 30 lines)]
>Stuart Williams
>'95 Discovery 'Great White'
>'85 LandCruiser 'Old Paint'
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:26:51 -0700
From: Aryeh Goretsky <aryeh@tribal.com>
Subject: Re: New Disco Owner Problems

Hello Mr. Kirkwood,

Appparently now.  I have received two other messages detailing the exact same
problem and will be asking the dealer in the morning if these components were 
inspected.

I've only been professionally in the computer industry for about 6 years now
and I though the SQA I had seen was very bad, but it looks like Land Rover QA
did not test, fix, and fix-verify this nor did the beta-testers pick it up.  
This is one feature I do not want.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
 Tech Support

At 08:58 AM 1/15/96 -0800, Clayton Kirkwood wrote:
>I had a similar problem on my 95 disco. Finally, the thing died and restarting
>was impossible to difficult. Problem turned out to be that the connection from
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 51 lines)]
>Colorado Springs, Colorado
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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:38:25 -0700
From: Aryeh Goretsky <aryeh@tribal.com>
Subject: Re: New Disco Owner Problems

Hi Nick,

Popular comments include "the alternator-to-fuse box" wire and the fuse panel.
I'll call the dealer in the A.M. and go over all the email I got about this
with them.

So that's what the Old Man Lucas, Prince of Darkness messages were about.
At first I thought it was something to do with Kelly :-)

I hope it works now, because I really don't want to devote more time to
this.

Aryeh

At 11:47 AM 1/15/96 PST, Nick_Baggarly@cinnamon.mcafee.com wrote:
>1.  Does anyone know what's wrong?  The problem seems to be electrical, but
>    it affected several systems which I don't think are related and just 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 35 lines)]
>          vehicle.
>-Nick
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From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:49:55 MST
Subject: Casper's Brain Transplant

Casper is alive and well once again.  Thanks for all the ideas about smoking
and no power.  It was not a head gasket, not a distributor rotor, not a timing
chain, not aliens, and not Uncle Joe (well, sort of Uncle Joe).  The EDU
shorted out due to a pinched wire for pin 23 behind the diff vent hold downs. 
The tech said it had worn itself bare and finally shorted.  The B bank of the
V-8 had no spark and was flooding.  Fuel was being pushed out the tailpipe. 
Thank God no one was smoking nearby, that white smoke was gasoline vapor.

Land RoverNA covered the whole thing under warranty, as expected.  They
replaced the EDU unit, the O2 sensor, plugs, 3 oil changes and found a weak
alternator and replaced that too. I had a 1996 Pontiac Grand Am coupe to drive
for a week.  The dealer said they had never heard of this happening before. 
Anyone else had an EDU go out around 21800 miles?  Anyhow, Casper is running
again but I wonder if he shouldn't now be called "Frankenstein".

Rob Modica	'51 SI 80"	'60 SII 109" Safari
Tucson AZ	'94 Disco 5spd 	Casper (aka Frank)

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 21:52:57 -0500
Subject: Re: What's in my tools kit?

On 15 Jan 96 at 9:48, crash@merl.com wrote:

. . . .

> My toolset, for Sally Xray (a '94 Disco):

I notice no manuals in your tool kit. Are they not useful in the 
field? 

--
Gerald
Massachusetts, U.S.
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: trip report and 202 overheating
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:33:48 +1030 (CST)

Paul Nash:  Wow what a great trip report !

You mention:
> Our 800 km return trip had stops only for fuel and food, but speeds 
> were seldom over 80 km/hr to keep the temperature down.  It wasn't 
and...
> Before any future Outback trips, I'll try to check the temperature gauge,
> flush the cooling system and maybe  even try to fit an oil cooler. 

Sad to say, overheating and high temp is a common 3.3l/202 holden problem in
LR's.   The approach i took was to fit a mechanical VDO temp guage that I
could trust, and replace the standard fan with thermo units. I placed one
in front of the rad and one behind, diagonally offset.  I'd also suggest an
oil cooler and oil temp guage.  VDO do one where the sensor replaces the
dipstick, works great.  You would be horrified by how hot the oil gets in a
3.3 without an oil cooler. Mine pegged the 150C guage at a constant 70 - 80
Kmh before I fitted the cooler.  Got a full flow oil cooler from an old toyota
crown, though the standard army 2.6l landrover unit would probably help a lot
if you can find one. You can get oil-cooler take off adapters from most
performance parts places, probably a good idea to get one with a thermostat,
but as i was living in Darwin i just got a cheap lynx unit.

Oh well just my thoughts 
cheers
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:21:18 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: RR in the Movies (Re: Casper's Brain Transplant)

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 19:21:18 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: RR in the Movies (Re: Casper's Brain Transplant)

Rob Modica <rmodica@east.pima.edu> wrote:
>Casper is alive and well once again.  Thanks for all the ideas about smoking
>and no power.  It was not a head gasket, not a distributor rotor, not....

 Speaking of Casper...  Casper the movie stars a recent model Range Rover
 taking the new owner to her haunted house on the seahore of Maine.  Within
 six minutes the Range Rover gets side swiped by a 48" wrecking ball!!  Not
 to worry though, with movie effects the action happened so fast that the
 producers had the good sense to move the vehicle out of the way....  ??

 Cheers,
                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:53:55 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Sight/Shot glasses

Mike Loiodice wrote:

>I think you can still get the glass bowl...that's assuming that all the 
rest of us haven't bought them all up for our shot-glass collections...

Precisely.  Four years ago when I got married, Robert Davis wanted to give 
me something in *my* crystal pattern.  He bought a dozen of the sediment 
bowls, completely exhausting the stock of both RN and ABP.  I have since 
used this glass etching paste (hydrofluoric acid - nasty stuff) and stencils 
available from J.C. Whitless, and my dot-matrix printer to engrave them.  
Perfect for single malt.  When you fall off a rock after consuming mass 
quantities, the glass is the only thing sure *not* to break!  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: "Dean Cording" <CORDINGD@mail.navmat.navy.gov.au>
Date:          Tue, 16 Jan 1996 15:14:53 +1000
Subject:       Re: trip report and 202 overheating

> The approach i took was to fit a mechanical VDO temp guage that I
> could trust.

This approach also cured the overheating problem in my SIII 2.25 
petrol.  The original guage used to make regular excursions towards 
the H end of the scale, much to my concern.  The proper temp guage 
revealed that the tempreture was actually only going from 63C to 80C 
under heavy work.

Dean  

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:31:55 -0800
Subject: Re: Are PCV valves needed??

----------------------------- Begin Original Text ---------------------------

There was discussion last week regarding PCV valves that vent presure	
build-up in the crankcase. I checked my engine (2.25l) and I see
a short hose dirrectly from the valve cover to the air intake. 
I suspect that the valve was removed and never replaced and the engine
seems to run as well as can be expected. What would the consequences
of operating without a PCV valve, essentially having passitive & negative
crankcase ventilation? 

Regards, Gordon
1965 SII 88 "Sherpa"
----------------------------- End Original Text -----------------------------

The very earliest SMOG control was a tube going from the valve cover directly
to the air filter or carb intake.  It started around '65 which your car is.
 There was a one way valve included to keep a carb poping from starting a
fire in the valve cover.  Your car may have come into California early in the
SMOG protection days.  All out of state cars were required to have a hose
from the valve cover to the carb intake.  I think the earliest stock land
Rover SMOG device used a PVC valve that sat on the intake manifold.  Its base
was threaded into the manifold.  If you see a plug, it could be someone
removed the PVC device.  If not it was probably an early retrofit SMOG
device.

Just a guess

TeriAnn
"Celebrating my tenth year conected to Usenet/Internet"

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 20:37:05 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Sight/Shot glasses

:Precisely.  Four years ago when I got married, Robert Davis wanted to give 
:me something in *my* crystal pattern.  He bought a dozen of the sediment 
:bowls, completely exhausting the stock of both RN and ABP.  I have since 
:used this glass etching paste (hydrofluoric acid - nasty stuff) and stencils 
:available from J.C. Whitless, and my dot-matrix printer to engrave them.  
:Perfect for single malt.  When you fall off a rock after consuming mass 
:quantities, the glass is the only thing sure *not* to break! 

 Sandy,

 What a great idea!!  Do you have any photos of your shot glass set??
 I'd like to start a collection of humorous Land Rover gifts for a WWW
 faux-LR-holiday-catalog, ala RN's or AB's annual gift collection.

 Cheers,
                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 

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From: Sekerere@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 00:38:14 -0500
Subject: 1994 Discovery

Hi, hoping that someone can help me. By the way thanks for the info on the
pull switches on a Series IIA. It is a 1966 model for those of you who asked.
Still cannot figure out what the right-hand lower one is for. Anyhow. I am
considering the purchase of a 1994 Discovery, and have done much searching.
Have started to talk to a Chicago dealer (Hinsdale Land Rover) about a 1994
that they have there. It has 37000 miles on it, the dual sunroofs etc- the
upgraded model similar to the 1996 SE7. However I have a problem, I am here
in Arizona and the vehicle is in Chicago-being a teacher I have no time to
look at the vehicle, and am wondering if there is anyone from the net that
might be able to look at it for me. I would really appreciate anyone who is
close enough to Chicago or this Hinsdale Land Rover (708) 325-9955 and has a
few moments to spare, if they could check this teal metallic 1994 Discovery
out for me. Like I told the rep today if I come up I have to know that I am
going to buy it. I asked him for photos, but they only show the surface. I
cannot tell how the engine sounds, bodywork shape, chassis, damage etc.
Thanks

Chris Whitehead
1966 Series IIA 88" (Anti-Christ)
in search of a Discovery

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:06:26 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: LANDROVER BOOTS

Mark sez...

>Those looking for a good pair of leather boots for the winter mud season, can 
>do no wrong than go to your local "THOM MCANN" Shoe store. They are selling 
>"LANDROVER" footwear. Not the same brand as our beloved vehicles, but they do 
>say "LANDROVER" on them, ALL TERRAIN at that ! 
-

They also sold shirts and assorted knapsacks with thier "LANDROVER" logo.
I've got one of the shirts... Not a bad deal.

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:37:46 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: New Disco Owner Problems

I'm curious, Aryeh.  What did you drive before you bought your Discovery?

Cheers!
John

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