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Subject: Re: Opening beer bottles 
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:53:41 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

P. "Gap" Hirsch wrote:
  
] Sorry, guys, you have me confused.  Dashboard? Bumper?  Windscreen bolts?  
] Is the Series crowd getting a little plushmobiley here?  I thought *real* 
] men used nothing but their teeth!

	Urban legand says the same thing about real men and hand grenades,
until you actually have to arm and throw a grenade.  Then you realize much that 
would hurt your teeth.  Much easier to use a finger to pull the pin, or in this
case, use the appropriate LR provided tool. 

	If your calling a Series IIA Rover a plushmobile, what do you think
isn't a plushmobile.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:40:33 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Salesmen

> off the road, but I have only seen one Range Rover off road and that person
...
> Now if I could just whitness some Range Rovers going off road...

Saw an awful lot of 'em out in Colorado back in '92 when I made it there for 
the Rally.  Some were pretty darn gonzo, though a lot were, like the local 
disco owners, newbies and fairly wary of bending their $$$ vehicles.  But 
they were still out there doing stuff with the rest of us.  

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:41:01 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Series vs. New costs

> Benjamin Smith: O.K. the cost per mile of your Series LR may be slightly
> lower than a spanking new Discovery. YOU WON!!!!! Just don't get any big
> salary raises because that may no longer be true in the future!!!

Salary raises really don't matter for most people in this matter.  Simply 
because people don't (usually) take work time to work on their LR.  (Any more 
than they take (unpaid) work time to watch football games or the like.)  

And, as another example, I've spent about $33K total, not including gas.  But 
that's for *three* Land Rovers, not one, and I can't do my own work, so that 
includes paying someone for repairs.  And I'm certainly not wealthy.  I 
bought my first LR for $750, which was about all I had to spend on a vehicle.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Subject: Re: Snobbery message 
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:16:04 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Mark Talbot wrote:

> If you need Series parts, service and advice, then go to Rovers North, if you
> want new Land Rover products go to the dealer. 

	This isn't entirely true.  There are a number of vendors who sell
parts for Series Rovers in addition to Rover's North.  Until last September
British Pacific was a Factory Autorized Genuine Parts Dealer just like 
Rover's North.  Now they carry both Genuine and Aftermarket parts (and a lot
of the time they are cheeper than Rover's North).  And there is DAP, and
Atlantic British Parts, and Atlantic British of California, and the NorthWest
Land Rover Company, and Rovers 8 West, ...  Supposedly you can also get parts
through LRNA, but I haven't heard anyone verify that.

	For the newer Rovers, I know that British Pacific stocks parts.  I've
heard that Rover's North stocks parts.  I assume that ABP stocks parts.   

	So people have a lot of options besides just the dealers and Rover's
North.  Note: I have nothing against RN. I have bought thousands of dollars
of parts from them and been happy with the service and parts.  The same
is true with British Pacific.  I just want people to know that they
have other options.   There is a list of vendors who sell parts in the 
FAQ.  http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.5.parts.html

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Subject: Re: Auto Insurance 
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:22:42 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

	I'll just add my 2 cents worth here.  My Rover has been insured
with the Liberty Mutual Fire Insurance company for the last 5 years.  My
current policy is liability only for the under 25, single male, living
in California (though it is the desest of California).   I'm paying 
$200 per 6 months.  I didn't put any insureance on anything else because I 
figured that if I'm in a wreck, they won't know what to pay me, and I'd rather 
salveage the parts myself.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

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Subject: Re: tool kits 
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 00:35:32 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

TerriAnn wrote:

----------------------------- Begin Original Text -------------------------
 last time I broke, I was near the top
 of a canyon on the edge of death valley driving my 109 in a string of 10 or
 12 Land Rovers.  
    [snip]
 A quick inspection showed The car had lost its right
 rear 'U' bolts and the lower anchor plate.  Ah, I thought, finally a
 breakdown with lots of experienced help.  Suddenly  several piles of tools
 showed up and someone went after the missing 'U' bolts and plate.
 
 Then the fine experienced gentlemen (and ladies) got out the lawn chairs &
 brews & proceded to watch me fix my car.   Luckally, there was one used 'U'
 bolt in Ben's spare pile that fit, and I was able to pound one of the old 'U'
 bolts back into a 'U' shape and refile threads into it that a nut would sorta
 accept.  I think the gentlemen wanted to see the lady put her tools where her
 keyboard was and actually fix her own car.  
----------------------------- End Original Text -----------------------------

	Personally, when my Rover breaks I like to fix it myself.  I really
dislike people jostling my elbow when I'm trying to get something done.  If I 
need help, I'll ask for it.  So when someone else has a problem, I'll get my
tools and parts out for them to use, but I won't get in their way and will
hang back until they ask for help.  Being one of the people who watched, I'm
absolutely positive that if TerriAnn had asked for someone to help with 
something, she would have had plenty of volunteers. 

	And of course the same thing happened to me on the Mojave Road.  
I had the situation well in hand, so while everyone else had lunch I replaced
U-bolts (I'll post a full synopsis in a few days).  Though the peole with
me were nice enough to shove food at me to wolf down from time to time.  
(Thanks guys!). 

	I know have 4 Ubolts in my spares box; two for the front and two for
the back.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

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Date: 14 Jan 1996 02:22:26 U
From: "Bill Wright" <Bill_Wright@cpqm.saic.com>
Subject: [1]The Land Rover Owner Dai

        Reply to:   [1]The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Warmest regards from Costa Rica.  I currently plan to return to the office on
January 29th.  If you absolutely need to contact me while I'm on vacation,
both Lynda Houston and Millie Steele have my itinerary and phone numbers.
I'll take action on your e-mail as soon as I can.
Bill
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Date: 1/14/96 2:19 AM
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	  Contents:
  1 landrvr@blacdisc.com Sat Jan 13 05:11   30/1315  Re: LR Dealers
  2 landrvr@blacdisc.com Sat Jan 13 05:11   39/1726  Re: Miscellaneous
  3 dlanod@iafrica.com Sat Jan 13 05:11   26/1328  Re: How to open beer bott
  4 landrvr@blacdisc.com Sat Jan 13 05:11   40/1836  Re: Auto insurance for La
  5 dlanod@iafrica.com Sat Jan 13 05:11   29/1535  Re: Names
  6 Bill_Wright@cpqm.saic.com Sat Jan 13 05:36  107/5557  [1]The Land Rover
Owner D
  7 lopezba@atnet.at   Sat Jan 13 08:09   23/1196  Re: Opening beer bottles
  8 lopezba@atnet.at   Sat Jan 13 08:10   36/1837  Re: UK mail order supplie
  9 lopezba@atnet.at   Sat Jan 13 08:10   36/1829  Galvanized parts, painted
 10 hhewson@mail.erols.com Sat Jan 13 08:35   34/1950  South of the Border
 11 jcwhite3@well.com  Sat Jan 13 11:52   36/1684  Re: Any reason?
 12 rthomas@postoffice.ptd.net Sat Jan 13 12:07   42/1929  Re: Misc.(ABS, an
old ide
 13 PurnellJE@aol.com  Sat Jan 13 12:14   23/1182  Re: Key Blanks
 14 Sekerere@aol.com   Sat Jan 13 12:33   29/1620  Series IIA Dash
 15 Wdcockey@aol.com   Sat Jan 13 13:07   25/1409  Re: 2.25 7:1 to 8:1 petro
 16 velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk Sat Jan 13 13:08   31/1763  RE: Fuel pumps and
heater
 17 Wdcockey@aol.com   Sat Jan 13 13:13   22/1519  Re: Fuel pumps and heater
 18 Wdcockey@aol.com   Sat Jan 13 13:15   43/1781  Re: What do you keep in Y
 19 jjbpears@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 13 13:15   41/1689  re: fuel pumps and
heater
 20 Wdcockey@aol.com   Sat Jan 13 13:16   29/1759  Land Rover Experience (bo
 21 HMEdwards@aol.com  Sat Jan 13 13:27   35/2077  Re: 2.25 7:1 to 8:1 petro
 22 Wdcockey@aol.com   Sat Jan 13 13:31   40/2378  Re: UK mail order supplie
 23 steve@firthcom.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 13 13:19   46/2381  Re: Galvanized
parts, pai
 24 IIIDmentia@gnn.com Sat Jan 13 14:14   44/2558  Re: Galvanized parts, pai
 25 wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us Sat Jan 13 15:45   41/2128  Re: Series IIA
Dash
 26 ericz@cloud9.net   Sat Jan 13 16:44   50/2285  LRNA and Air Filter
 27 Landy88@aol.com    Sat Jan 13 16:45   24/1437  Tool Kit Additions
 28 lorri@sound.net    Sat Jan 13 16:46   33/1534  Insurance Rates
 29 clapp.carol@mail.viacomcv.hybrid.com Sat Jan 13 17:15   44/1976  History
of SII
 30 clapp.carol@mail.viacomcv.hybrid.com Sat Jan 13 17:15   36/1899  Auto
Insurance
 31 ericz@cloud9.net   Sat Jan 13 17:53   46/2415  Re: Tool Kit Additions
 32 Land_Rover@msn.com Sat Jan 13 18:48   20/1094  LANDROVER BOOTS
 33 cs@crl.com         Sat Jan 13 18:53   46/1858  LR Origination (Was: Hist
 34 BDaviscar@aol.com  Sat Jan 13 20:21   59/2640  Re: Fuel pumps and heater
 35 ecoethic@rcinet.com Sat Jan 13 21:08   36/2151  Re: Series Towing
 36 BDaviscar@aol.com  Sat Jan 13 21:18   22/1059  tool kits
 37 Wdcockey@aol.com   Sat Jan 13 21:25   27/1547  Re: Series IIA Dash
 38 ecoethic@rcinet.com Sat Jan 13 21:31   40/2561  Re: Snobbery message
 39 jennie@uni.liverpool.ac.uk,  steinling@rentwes.org.uk,  chiu@otego.ac.uk, 
ronnie@jhg.co.uk,  ellen@tci.co.uk,  samuels@uni.london.ac.uk, 
chen@birmingham.org.uk,  chi@manchester.co.uk,  wind@rfg1.co.uk, 
susans@uni.rhodes.ac.uk,  gregor@southampt.n.org.uk,  ellen@plymouth.ac.uk, 
gfos@fresno.co.uk,  trens@uni.london.ac.uk,  jim@uni.london.ac.uk, 
fharile@plymouth.org.uk,  relson@childs.co.uk,  nels@hall.co.uk, 
sarap@ruv4.co.uk,  gspelling@earthlite.co.uk Sat Jan 13 22:01  248/12703 ===>>
FREE 1 yr. Magazine
 40 jcwhite3@well.com  Sat Jan 13 22:26   31/1374  Re: South of the Border
 41 jcwhite3@well.com  Sat Jan 13 22:26   51/2095  Re: What do you keep in Y
 42 jcwhite3@well.com  Sat Jan 13 22:26   52/2353  Re: Bad advertising
 43 jcwhite3@well.com  Sat Jan 13 22:30   38/1360  Re: LR Dealers
 44 Land_Rover@msn.com

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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 09:23:41
From: DRead@gnn.com (David  Read)
Subject: Auto Show Report

I went to the Detroit auto show (officially - the North American
International Auto Show) yesterday and - of course - made a bee line
LR's area. I was concerned about whether I would be able to find it. 
I assumed that Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, et al would hide all others
with their hugh displays. Was I wrong! When I walked in the main 
entrance I looked to the right and the first thing I saw was the 
familiar Land Rover logo off in the distance. All I had to do was fight 
my way thru the Ford area (the F word!), pass up two Lotus Esprits, 
glance at the Astin Martin DB5 (Bondcar1) and I was there - in 
Rover-land.

It is a very impressive display. They have one of the Disco's from
the most recent Camel Trophy on display (not sure if it was THE winner 
- but then, aren't they all?). It was , of couse, covered in mud and 
obviously well used. LR has the distinction of have the only ORV's 
displayed in their natural coloration - mud brown. 

There was 3 or 4 Discos (black, silver, red, white) and a Defender
(green) on display. I am a recent RO ('71 88" SIIa) so I don't know all 
of the particulars about the various models and options. But it seems 
obvious that the Defender is a direct descendant of the Series 
vehicles.

In addition, they were showing clips from the Camel (Belize?) run. 
Great video! Does anyone know it it is available in a "full length" 
version? There is one shot of a Disco doing a vertical descent (10 or 
15 feet) into a mud puddle. The mud is deep enough so that it appears 
as though the entire engine compartment is submerged up to the 
windsheild (remember - it was a vertical descent). Then, the driver 
appers to shift gears and the disco just continues along - what a great 
shot! What a great car!

By the way, the LRNA display is between Beemer (Bondcar2) and AM 
General (Hummer) and across from Lotus and Astin Martin (Bondcar1). It 
was the most crowed part of the auto show. And, when I told the LRNA 
rep that I was a Series owner, he didn't shun me! With peace in the 
mid-east, can peace in Roverland be far behind?

Rover on

David Read (dread@gnn.com)
Ann Arbor MI
1971 88"SIIa (TKACHNC)
"Take a chance" 

  

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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 09:28:27
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Re: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles

What you are doing is illegal. I am going to report your activities to the 
FBI and other authorities who's job it is to track down and stop people like 
you from clogging the net with junk like this.
Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 09:34:44
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Chain mail & Junk mail

In the USA, chain letters are illegal, they constitute mail fraud. Whoever is 
behind this letter is trying to fleece you out of your money. This goes for 
E-mail as well. If these people are dealt with for what they are, thieves, 
then perhaps we will have fewer idiots out there who'll try to pull this 
crap.
Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 06:46:40 -0800
Subject: Re: tool kits 

----------------------------- Begin Original Text -------------------

TerriAnn wrote:

 last time I broke, I was near the top
 of a canyon on the edge of death valley driving my 109 in a string of 10 or
12 Land Rovers.  
    [snip]
 A quick inspection showed The car had lost its right
 rear 'U' bolts and the lower anchor plate.  Ah, I thought, finally a
 breakdown with lots of experienced help.  Suddenly  several piles of tools
 showed up and someone went after the missing 'U' bolts and plate.
 
 Then the fine experienced gentlemen (and ladies) got out the lawn chairs &
 brews & proceded to watch me fix my car.

 <snip>

Ben Wrote:

	Personally, when my Rover breaks I like to fix it myself.  I really
dislike people jostling my elbow when I'm trying to get something done.  If I

need help, I'll ask for it.  So when someone else has a problem, I'll get my
tools and parts out for them to use, but I won't get in their way and will
hang back until they ask for help.  Being one of the people who watched, I'm
absolutely positive that if TerriAnn had asked for someone to help with 
something, she would have had plenty of volunteers. 

TeriAnn is replying:
I will admit, I didn't give anyone else an oppertunity to work on my 109.  i
just dove into it and there was only space for one person to work on it.
 Ben's spare 'U' bolt probably took all the stress on the way down the canyon
and saved my home manual threading job.  It would have been a LOT harder if
the hand sludge hammer and the triangular  jewlers file hadn't magically
appeared.

It would have been nice if one of the gentlemen had asked "pardon me mam, but
could I fix this for you?"  I probably would have answered "Why thank you
kind sir, but I can take care of this tiny field repair in no time" ;*)

  Like I said, the only part that bothered me was not being able to sit for a
few minutes with a cool bottle of ale and enjoy everyone's company.

But the point of my original story, if poorly made is that it would be nice
to stuff a mechanic in the tool box.  Along with a spare pair of 'U' bolts &
nuts.

Gee Ben, I didn't mean to imply I didn't appriciate your tools, 'U' bolt and
moral support.  It was hot & I just wanted a pint of cool ale before
proceeding onwards

TeriAnn

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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 10:00:59
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: I'm pissed... FIGHT BACK!

Don't just sit there and take this bullshit. These guys are in violation of 
the Federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986. Report them to the FBI by 
attaching the E-mail and sending it to nccs@fbi.gov.
Bill Adams
3Dmentia computer animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington, MD 20895
301-949-9475

'66 S2A 109" Station Wagon Diesel  ...all there

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Subject: How to drive a 4WD in snow.
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 96 10:45:49 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

On TV Channel 7 here in Washington DC, where we just had about 3' of snow,
the news broadcast had a special part on how to drive a 4WD in snow.

For the demonstration they had a RR 4.0SE ( 4.6HSE ?) driven by a LR driving
instructor.

Anyways they came upon a very large truck (10 wheels on a single chassis)
stuck in the snow. So they hooked up the RR and pulled it free! What great
free advertising for Land Rover.

--
Gary Mitchelson     
N3JPU     
garym@racalrecord.com     
Racal Recorders, Inc.     

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Date:     Sun, 14 Jan 96 11:40:51 EST (1640Z)
From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil>
Subject:  Matchbox D90

A friend just got back from Germany and brought back a load of toys for me.
Several are duplicates, however one is one I haven't heard of yet.

It is a white D90 with diagonal "splashes" of paint going from the sill
under the front door hinge to the roofline.  Splashes are of neon pink,
neon lime green, and dark blue.  Width of paint is from front door to
rear wheel arch/back of side window.  RHD.  Something else different is
a neon pink/red interior, bull bar, and towing hitch.  Base plate is a
dark purpleish/blue.

Model in the yellow/orange blister pack card.

Sorry - he only brought back one.  Will see if others can be located by
other friends going over in the next few months.

Also received the yellow Park Ranger in a blue carded blister pack AND
an orage/yellow box with cello window.

Will post a note in a few days on selling duplicates.

'til later,

Larry Smith
'72 SWB petrol
smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil
Chester, VA

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From: BDaviscar@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 12:11:36 -0500
Subject: Re: land Rover camping

Joe

I have tried three time to send to you e-mail address the mail is always
returned.
I don't know why other then it said address not found.

Please e-mail me at BDaviscar@aol.com  I have some info you may like about
camping in an 88 that TeriAnn sent to me.

Bruce  Chicago
6 SIIA 88  Patches

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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:15:17 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: Opening beer bottles

The cartridge clips for the M1 Garand are excellent bottle openers. You can
open with one hand. Fits in a pocket too. A IIa doesn't.

rgds
sv/aurens

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Date: 14 Jan 1996 12:53:18 -0500
From: "Bill Skidmore" <skidmore@mitre.org>
Subject: Re: Time to purchase Seats

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Barnett;

Interesting you should ask:

1) I looked at the D90SW jump seats, both before and after the info on =
them was distributed to the dealers - grossly overpriced, and the Dealer =
said I'd have to do the install, re: insurance liability issues.

2) I compared the Series jump seats to the Series bench seat - 1 jump =
seat costs about 30-50% more than one bench seat.  If you're frugal (read =
screeming buffalo), like me, the cost per butt pad favors the bench seat.

3) R. Pierce Reid originally posted a write-up on bench seat =
installation, which I've included as an attachment.  After having done =
this with the help of his guidance, I found that a few things can be =
modified - for attaching the seat back to the box lip, nylon spacers, in =
1, 1/2 and 1/4 inch sizes, can be used in lieu of the aluminum spacer (LR =
uses nylon for the window frame mount spacers on the doors); and the =
7/16" shaft size on the seat base mounting bolt may be too large for the =
pre-drilled mounting holes in the seat frame (no problem, either use =
3/8th or drill hole larger, like I did).  Additionally, I spread a thick =
layer of weatherstrip sealant/adhesive over the bolts, nuts, washers, etc =
that extended underneath the bench, and I used stainless steel hardware =
throughout.  Even better, in hindsight, would be to sandwich the body =
pieces between nylon washers as well (on the seat base, it would be =
SS-nylon-bench-nylon-SS).  I suppose the only problem using nylon like =
this would be the longevity of the nylon.

Pierce pointed out that this config is not suitable for transporting =
kids, because seatbelts could not be adequantly mounted.  For kids, I =
agree.  For adults, there may be a way to have a washer with a mount clip =
machined to mount between the connection points on the roll cage.  =
Liability, obviously, would be in the installer's/owner's hands.  This is =
for future effort, after I raise the dead and purchase a seat for the =
other side.  

BTW, I purchased the seat from Atlantic British, and some of the mounting =
hardware that Pierce specs out is not needed - check your seat first to =
see what is needed.  And it is possible to get the seat cheaper that what =
AB sells it for, especially when ordering from the UK, but speed in =
delivery can impact your decision.  AB was shipping out alot for Xmas =
att, and UPS was delivering late into the night, so effectively I =
received it overnight without the cost!

Bill

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From: BDaviscar@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 13:57:09 -0500
Subject: Anybody got a spare?

Hi list:

I am looking for some spare parts for my 67 SIIA 88.  If anyone has any of
these spare parts  (cheap please I do not have a lot of extra cash. what
series owner does) 
just e-mail at BDaviscar@aol.com so as not to tie up the list with extra
messages.

Thanks

2 front wings (w/o head lights in them)
a speedometer 
( mine does the 20-70mph jig when cold and won't tell me how far we've gone.)
vent screens
head liner
marker lights
a SIIA sending unit for the gas tank OR a SIII fuel gauge.

THANKS AGAIN

P.S. also looking for a 109 frame in good shape.

Bruce  Chicago
67 SIIA 88  Patches  

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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:24:53 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: What do you keep in YOUR tool kit?

Heretic!  You've got to don your vestments of oily coveralls, roll out your
drop cloth, kneel facing Solihull, and say proper prayers to speed your
Rover's recovery even on the road.  Readings from the Scriptures are part of
this.

Today's scripture reading is from the Discovery Workshop Manual, Chapter 07
"Inspection-General," verses 1 though 4:

"1.  Never inspect a component for wear or dimensional check unless it is
absolutely clean; a slight smear of grease can conceal an incipient failure.

"2.  When a component is to be checked dimensionally against figures quoted
for it, use correct equipment (surface plates, micrometers, dial gauges,
etc.) in serviceable condition.  Makeshift checking equipment can be dangerous.

"3.  Reject a component if its dimensions are outside limits quoted, or if
damage is apparent.  A part may, however, be refitted if its critical
dimension is exactly limit size, and is otherwise satisfactory.

"4.  Use 'Plastigage' 23 Type PPG-1 for checking bearing surface clearances.
Directions for its use, and a scale giving bearing clearances in 0.0025 mm
steps are provided with it."

Amen.
John
'95 Discovery (Orthodox)
San Francisco, California

At 23:07 13.01.96 EST, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
>From: jcwhite3 @ well.com ("John C. White, III") @ INTERNET
>>What about carrying a prayer book (a.k.a. factory service manual)?  Ya gotta
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
>Churchill being a pickup does mean that he's not exactly overendowed with 
>storage space.
>    ajr

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From: JEPurnell@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 14:44:02 -0500
Subject: Aluminum Filler for LR Rim Gouges?

Any ideas on filling a large gouge in a  new Land Rover rim as found on the
Defenders and Discos?  And what will happen to untreated and exposed aluminum
in the elements?  
Thanks, 
John, N9EJC
94 D90, Wisconsin

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Subject: Re: Aluminum Filler for LR Rim Gouges?
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 96 15:18:30 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

> Any ideas on filling a large gouge in a  new Land Rover rim as found on
the
> Defenders and Discos?  And what will happen to untreated and exposed
aluminum
> in the elements?  
> Thanks, 
> John, N9EJC
> 94 D90, Wisconsin

There is a place in PA that repairs aluminum wheels that are damaged. I
forget their name but the advertise in the back of Car & Driver or Road &
Track. I had heard about them before and their was an article in one of the
above mags about the BMW M3 and they had a side article on this place and
repairing aluminum wheels.

All I know is that they are in PA.

--
Gary Mitchelson     
N3JPU     
garym@racalrecord.com     
Racal Recorders, Inc.     

------------------------------

From: Marit & Bjornung <bjjen13b@telepost.no>
Subject: Snobbery etc
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:26:57 +-100

A few comments regarding the long going discussion on snobbery and cost of 
LR products in the US. Here in Norway the latest Range Rover 4.0 is listed 
at roughly 930,000.- NOK or about  147,619.- US$, - so don't complain. A 
new dealer recently opened in my area selling BMW and Rover/Land Rovers. At 
the opening day they had 6-7 BMW, 2 Rovers, 1 Range Rover and a Discovery 
hidden in the workshop. When I mentioned that I was dissapointed not to 
find any Defenders displayed, nor any information about them, all I got was 
- "what is a Defender"?

Bjornung
Norway

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From: ecoethic@rcinet.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:01:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Stripping Galvanized Parts

I second the chemical method for removing paint from galvanized parts. I have 
successfully used a Methyl Chloride based product designed for aircraft paint 
stripping called "Aircraft Remover" that I bought several years ago. I don't know 
who the manufacturer is because that portion of the gallon can has been stripped! I 
am sure that any aircraft maintenance facility could direct you to a source; the 
problem might be getting a small quantity. (I happen to work at an airport, but my 
friendly connection retired). The stuff stinks like ammonia and burns exposed skin, 
but is completely safe on aluminum. One of my parts Series vehicles had a front 
bumper with overriders that was painted black, so I experimented with this stuff to 
see if it would work without discoloring, etc. It worked just fine just as on 
aluminum, and the galvanizing has stayed good looking for a year now. I just 
brushed on a coat, waiting about five minutes (at 80 degrees F), hosed it with a 
garden hose, and repeated this two times to get everything off with nothing but 
light scraping with a plastic squeegee and a brass brush for inside corners. (The idea 
of a stainless steel brush might work, but I suspect that it might scratch the surface 
more.) I have also used it on tropical roofs and ferrous metals with no damaging 
effects. It might even be a good furniture stripper! The small airports that service 
private aircraft might be the best sources of information. It might also be available 
through autobody supply places given that there are more aluminum vehicles now. 
It was about $30 US a gallon, as I recall.

Walter Pokines
Tipp City, Ohio, USA

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 15:14:29 -0800
Subject: Re: Opening beer bottles 

On Sat, 13 Jan 1996, Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> 
wrote:

	If your calling a Series IIA Rover a plushmobile, what do you think
>isn't a plushmobile.
>Ben

Walking?

Eric

------------------------------

From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 15:14:33 -0800
Subject: U Bolts

There's a thread going on that talks about U bolts failing.  Is that really 
common?  Or is it only on vehicles that have seen a lot of use.  

Eric

------------------------------

Subject: Re: U Bolts 
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 15:46:40 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Eric Zimkin asked:
  
> There's a thread going on that talks about U bolts failing.  Is that really 
> common?  Or is it only on vehicles that have seen a lot of use.  

	I dunno how common it is.  I've seen it happen exactly twice.  I
don't know how old TerriAnn's U bolts were, but mine were only 3 years old.
My best guess of what happened is that as I was going down a really rocky
hill I hit the tip of the Ubolt on a large rock which snapped one end off
of the U-bolt flush with the mounting plate.  So I'm chaulking it up to 
hazards of the road.  (And I carry spares just in case...)  Just to put
this all in prespective I managed to high center on both diffs at one point
and severely mangled one of my frame crossmembers on that trail.  (And I
didn't hear anything hit)

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 04:24:17
From: CarDoctor@gnn.com (Robert Davis)
Subject: Brake Drum Screws?

 Hi all,

> 	Anyone know how to release a brake drum screw? One of mine is 

> seized,
  
Surely you are talking about the screw which holds the drum to the 
hub.  I have struggled with them on other british cars. I use a 
product called Kroil which is better then liquid wrench. When that 
fails me I just drill off the head. After the drum is off I can get 
a grip on what is left of the screw to rremove it. They come out 
easy when they are no longer under tension. The drum will lineup on 

the studs anyway. so it keeps the drum on when changing tires.
Recards & good luck,

Rob Davis_Chicago
 
 1971 88  (Gabe)   
 1968 109 (Dads toy) needing frame    

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 17:26:03 -0700
From: "Lee Zeltzer" <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: Re: South of the Border

H. J. Hewson wrote:
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Mark Maslar asked about the availability of high octane fuel in Baja, Mex.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 20 lines)]
> '89 RR (with a lime-squeezing cubby box lid)
>   -Take that you beer bottle opening Series owners!

As a frequent Mexican tourist I would love your list of dives to haunt!
-- 
Lee Zeltzer, Senior Consultant
Innovative System Design
100 N. Stone Ave. #605
Tucson, AZ 85701
lzeltzer@isdnet.com

------------------------------

From: "Dean Cording" <CORDINGD@mail.navmat.navy.gov.au>
Date:          Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:28:07 +1000
Subject:       Re: Brake Drum Screws?

> > 	Anyone know how to release a brake drum screw? One of mine is 
> > seized,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> easy when they are no longer under tension. The drum will lineup on 
> the studs anyway. so it keeps the drum on when changing tires.

The best way I've found to remove seized screws is to use an impact 
driver.  An impact driver, for those unfamilar with them, is a 
screwdriver that you hit with a hammer.  The hammer blow not only 
turns the bit but also forces the bit into the screw so that it 
doesn't burr the keyhole.  Most screws can be removed with this tool 
in accompanyment of some liquid wrench without damaging the screw.

Dean. 

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:05:11 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: U Bolts

On Sun, 14 Jan 1996 ericz@cloud9.net wrote:
> There's a thread going on that talks about U bolts failing.  Is that really 
> common?  Or is it only on vehicles that have seen a lot of use.  

Dear Eric:
Probably not common and I would say vehicles that have had a lot of use. 
Before I had a Land Rover I drove a '66 Scout that had been abused and 
abandoned before I got it at an auction. 
I had just towed a tractor from Bellingham (120 miles north of Seatlle) 
and was returning the trailer to the U-Haul place when *BAD* noise was 
heard from Scout's rear end. All four of the rear U bolts had sheared off 
such that only their fronts were still attached to the plate (so they 
were "J" bolts). The noise came from the rear drive shaft and U-joint 
glancing off the rear bed of the scout as the rear diff reared-up under 
load. 
Thank goodness they didn't fail on the highway!
After the posts by TerriAnn and Ben I'll probably put a couple of U bolts 
in my emergency kit.

------------------------------

From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 18:37:57 -0800
Subject: Re: U Bolts 

----------------------------- Begin Original Text -----------------------

Eric Zimkin asked:
  
> There's a thread going on that talks about U bolts failing.  Is that really

> common?  Or is it only on vehicles that have seen a lot of use.  
	I dunno how common it is.  I've seen it happen exactly twice.  I
don't know how old TerriAnn's U bolts were, but mine were only 3 years old.
My best guess of what happened is that as I was going down a really rocky
hill I hit the tip of the Ubolt on a large rock which snapped one end off
of the U-bolt flush with the mounting plate.  So I'm chaulking it up to 
hazards of the road.  (And I carry spares just in case...)  Just to put
this all in prespective I managed to high center on both diffs at one point
and severely mangled one of my frame crossmembers on that trail.  (And I
didn't hear anything hit)

Ben
----------------------------- End Original Text -----------------------------

Good question, I've seen it happen exactly once because I've restricted my
car to the pavement until I get my front leaf springs and 'U' bolts replaced
(I'm having problems finding front 'U' bolts the correct length).  Otherwise
I probably would have been in a chair sipping a pint of ale while Ben was
replacing his 'U' bolts.

What I find interesting is that both Ben's 88 and my 109 lost the right rear
'U' bolts.

I replaced one of the rear 'U' bolts about 12 years ago.  I noticed it had a
lose nut that wouldn't tighten. The thread was stripped.  The others were on
the car when I got it in '78.

'U' bolts are soft metal, and threads are easily stripped if the nut is over
torqued.

On my car, the forward nut on each right rear 'U' bolt stripped off the
shaft.  There was no flat washer between the nut and bottom plate.  The nuts
wore a slight depression in the lower retaining plate.  Its my guess that for
whatever reason a slight gap appeared between one of the nuts and the plate.
 The car bouncing up and down pulled & pushed at the nut with enough force to
start striping the soft threads.  The longer the gap the more force was
applied against the nut.  It just reached a point where it stripped them out.

I inspected the underside of the car the weekend before I left and did not
see anything unusual at the rear springs.

When I put the new 'U' bolts on, I used flat washers under lock nuts .

When my 'U' bolts went, none of the people  there had ever heard of it
happening.  Since then I have a set of new rear 'U' bolts in my tool kit.

I don't know if I'll ever need them but they don't take up much space or add
much weight. They do contribute to my peace of mind.  i suspect that everyone
with a series car that was on the runs that I then Ben broke down probably
added rear 'U' bolts to their tool kits.

While Ben was  high centering diffs and other undercarrage parts, I tend to
rock hop.  When I see an obstical I can't avoid that looks high enough to hit
the diff or oil pan, I tend to drive my  wheels over it to make sure its away
from the running gear.  So I am hard on my suspension.  I figure its easier
to field repair than a holed diff or oil pan.  maybe one of these days I will
take an off roading class & find out the "correct" way to handle tallish
obsticals that you can not drive around.  

It looks like Ben sheared one and I bounced the nut off a pair.

TeriAnn
Hopping a 109 from rock top to rock top

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:11:49 -0500 (EST)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Re: Land Rover movie sighting

If you haven't already seen it, there is a short flicker of a III 88 
pickup in the movie "Bad Boys".  Looks like a superb truck in bronze green.
s.

	_________________________________
	|_______|_______|_______|_______|	"Moose"
	|   ____________    |	   |	\\	'73 III 88"
	|  /  	  |	\   |  	   |	 \\      ________
     	|  |	  |	|   |	   |	  \\    |        |
	|  \______|_____/   |______|_______\\___|________|__
	|___________________|_______________|---------------\
	|  []    []    []   |		    | 0		    |)
	|                   |--]	    |               |		
       _|    /	 OOOOO      |		    |      OOOOO    |__
      |_|____I OO o o OO ___|_______________|___ OO o o OO ____|
	   0  OO o 0 o OO			OO o 0 o OO
	       OO  o  OO     "Tread Lightly"     OO  o  OO
              	 OOOOO				   OOOOO
       		           Florida Rover Canvas
	Steve Swiger   
	swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu
	(813) 874-5391
	(813) 253-0905 (Work)

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Date: 14 Jan 96 23:11:28 EST
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Disco Air DAMN

The cheapest solution to the Disco's lack of approach angle is to go to your
dealer and buy 2 new bumper end caps and put them somewhere safe in your
basement. Then take your toolbox to the garage and remove the center section of
the airdam (about 10 nuts). You will now have the lower sections of the end caps
hanging down. With a hand held power jig saw cut along the shadow line
horizontally level with the bottom of the bumper. Take your time and the end
caps will look like they were made that way. You will now have about 8 more
inches of clearence in the front of your Disco and you won't be damaging the
expensive center section of the airdam which is now sitting in you basement next
to those new endcaps you bought for $35 a piece that you will install when you
part company with you baby (if). Also the front of your Disco will now look
suspiciously like a Camel Trophy Disco as well! I can't claim the credit for
this mod as it was shown to me by 94 CT teammember Mac Barber.

								Mark Ritter

					

------------------------------

From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: RE: Brake Drum Screws?
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 96 15:46:00 EST

Hi Rob

I find the 'only' way to successfully remove these without too much damage 
is to use an impact hammer.  This has never failed me yet, even when 
locktite has been used!

Give this a go...

Simon Barclay
Sydney Australia

------------------------------

From: BDaviscar@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 23:49:52 -0500
Subject: Re: U Bolts 

In a message dated 96-01-14 22:00:38 EST, you write:

>While Ben was  high centering diffs and other undercarrage parts, I tend to
>rock hop.  When I see an obstical I can't avoid that looks high enough to

hit
>the diff or oil pan, I tend to drive my  wheels over it to make sure its
away
>from the running gear.  So I am hard on my suspension.  I figure its easier
>to field repair than a holed diff or oil pan.  maybe one of these days I
will
>take an off roading class & find out the "correct" way to handle tallish
>obsticals that you can not drive around.  

TeriAnn 

I have taken the "off road class" and from what they seaid about the tallish
obsticals. you are doing it right. if you can't drive around it or your diff
can't get past it on the side then drive over it use a spotter if you can
body panels are easy compard to a diff or oil pan.

The trainer in the class was cert.  by tread lightly.

BTW the same class had a few Range Rovers, a D90, and a few Series rovers.

Bruce   Chicago
67 SIIA 88  Patches

------------------------------

Subject: Re: U Bolts 
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:13:14 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

----------------------------- Begin Original Text -----------------------
 
 While Ben was  high centering diffs and other undercarrage parts, I tend to
 rock hop.  When I see an obstical I can't avoid that looks high enough to hit
 the diff or oil pan, I tend to drive my  wheels over it to make sure its away
 from the running gear.  So I am hard on my suspension.  I figure its easier
 to field repair than a holed diff or oil pan.  maybe one of these days I will
 take an off roading class & find out the "correct" way to handle tallish
 obsticals that you can not drive around.  
 
----------------------------- End Original Text -----------------------------

	The right thing to do is to put your wheels on the highest rock.  In
my case there were so many to choose from and I didn't want to stop.  I was
in 1st low at about 1000 rpm going uphill.  But I didn't notice the problem
on top.  My best guess is that I snapped the Ubolt on the way down.  More
likely than no I lowered myself onto the rock that did the damage.  

	I was being fairly carefully, but sometimes s*** happens.  I had the
least ground clearance on the trail (my tyres 235/75R15s) The Disco chose not
to drive the trail, but the 2 other Defenders did, one of which had and used 
his air lockers.  (And I'm going to be getting taller tyres in a month or two)

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 22:17:05 -0700
From: Aryeh Goretsky <aryeh@tribal.com>
Subject: New Disco Owner Problems

Hello,

I just purchased a new 1996 Discovery three days ago.  Yesterday (Saturday)
the radio/CD start making popping noises, then the ABS warning light came
on, followed by the speedometer and tachometer dropping to 0 while driving
and the headlights dimming, this happened several times while driving and my
buddy and I decided that the vehicle was no longer safe to drive at night
with the headlights going out and who knows what else would stop working, etc.  

Anyways, we were towed back to the dealer (about 180 miles) and right now
I'm very concerned.  I have two questions now:

1.  Does anyone know what's wrong?  The problem seems to be electrical, but
    it affected several systems which I don't think are related and just 
    could be a symptom of some other problem.

2.  What should I do?  I'm considering telling the dealer that I want a new
    vehicle.  This one obviously has faults in it and there's no telling
    what else is wrong with the electrical system or what else was damaged 
    or otherwise had its life-expectancy reduced.  

This is a brand-new (the problem happened when the Discovery was only 2 
days old) vehicle so as you can understand, I am quite upset.  I had purchased
the Discovery because I nned a safe vehicle to drive in here in Colorado and
this seemed to be a good choice based on what I've read on the web and after
talking to a couple of friends who own LR's.  Now I'm not so sure I've made
the right decision.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Aryeh Goretsky
Colorado Springs, Colorado
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:48:19 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Fuel pumps and heaters...

Jeff asks...

>	The original mechanical pump is still on the engine. It's just not
.....snip.....
>tell more. One thing it is missing, however, is the glass sediment bowl. After
>that lengthy preface, where can I get the sediment bowl part of the pump? Is
>it sold separately?
-

I think you can still get the glass bowl... that's assuming that all the
rest of us haven't bought them all up for out shot-glass collections...

>	This one's quicker. I removed the severly rusty blower assembly from
>the truck's heater. It's got a side intake style heater. What brand is it? The
>blower says Smiths, so I'm assuming the whole assembly is a Smiths, but I was
>under the impression that the round interior heater was the Smiths.
-

1971 IIa - probably a Smiths... The round Smiths shinburner was used on
earlier Rovers.

>	Anyone know how to release a brake drum screw? One of mine is seized,
>and no amount of Liquid Wrench has worked, so far. I'm wary of applying the
>propane torch due to the brake parts inside. Anyone see a major problem with
>this?
-

Go ahead and heat it up... By "propane torch" you're probably referring to
the small torch with the screw on bottle?? That won't generate enough heat
to hurt what's inside the brake drum. I've had a few brake drum screws that
I've used a chisel on to break free. Mangles the screw, but you can get new
ones. Make sure you use "Never-Sieze" on the screws when you put it all back
together..

Cheers
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:48:19 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: RE: High lift mounting

Hugo asks...

>>makes for a nice spacer to keep the jack from scratching paint...
>>Chris Fisher '73 LR88 Series 3
>Are we still talking bottle openers or did I miss something here?

-

Go back to sleep.... This was a thread on hi-lift jack mounting.. We all
already opened our beer and drank same. :-)

Cheers
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:48:48 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Series IIA Dash

Chris...

>Silly questions, but none of the books I have give me any help. On the Series
>IIA dash panel there are three knobs, but I cannot find out what they are all
>for. as you look at the dash, the top right-hand knob is for the instrument
>panel lights, but what are the bottom right-hand knob, and the one on the top
>left-hand side for?
-

Duh... Three knobs?? OK... what year IIa?? I have a 1965 - the top left knob
is for the interior lights and I don't have any bottom right-hand knob... To
tell you the truth, I don't remember how the '71 IIa is set up (the truck is
up on the farm - under 4 or 5 feet of snow...)

Cheers

Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>

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Subject: Da Prince O' Darkness (was Re: New Disco Owner Problems)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 21:59:17 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

A new Disco owner wrote:

] I just purchased a new 1996 Discovery three days ago.  Yesterday (Saturday)
] the radio/CD start making popping noises, then the ABS warning light came
] on, followed by the speedometer and tachometer dropping to 0 while driving
] and the headlights dimming, this happened several times while driving and my
] buddy and I decided that the vehicle was no longer safe to drive at night
] with the headlights going out and who knows what else would stop working, etc

	Ahhhh, it warms my small heart to know the Mr. Lucas, the Price of
Darness, is alive and well.  He seems to be doing quite well to strike a LR
still at such a tender, young age.   And it warms my heart even more when
I realize that there isn't all that much made by Lucas on Land Rovers 
anymore.  Maybe the Prince of Darkness has corrupted Bosch as well.  Or
maybe it is something intrinsic to the character of a Land Rover.  (now watch,
my headlights will go out on my way home tonight)  :)

Ben 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:02:38 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: 'Nother Joke (fwd)

Apologies for the bad taste (and the typos) but it is LR related :-)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 14:00:49 +0800
From: Peter Austin <peter.austin@minerals.csiro.au>
Subject: 'Nother Joke

According to Charly's publicist Sir Ulick McGee, speaking today to
announce the imminent publication of Charly's memoirs,  Charly and his
estranged wife were set upon by a mysterious armed group wearing
balaclavas as they returned to Sandringham in their beloved Land Rover
one dark night in November, 1991.  Most of their person belongings
were removed from them and they were bound by rope and then thrown
into a ditch.  The mysterious group disappeared in their Land Rover.
Charly and his wife struggled for several hours and eventually made
good their release.  Charly's wife immediately restored a fetching
pair of invaluable diamond earrings to her lobes.  Charly queried as
follows:

"I say - how did one conceals ones earrings so well?"

Hesitantly and with her customary blush, his wife responded:

"One concealed them within ones private parts"

Charly reflected and later spluttered:

"Dam'n pity we didn't take Margaret with us - we could have saved the
Land Rover"

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