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1 Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar35 Re: Any reason?
2 Mike Dryfoos [mikedr@mic238:1 compression and D90 hard tops
3 "T.F. Mills" [tomills@du26Re: colorado event
4 "Steve Reddock" [steve_r31Speedos, brakes (sort of) & wierd submissions
5 Harrington Andrew Richar15brake problem again
6 crash@merl.com 18Disco won't start
7 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE27Re: Range Rovers off road
8 Stuart Williams [STUARTW26The Better Half (more ways than one) ...
9 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE34Re: Discovery Ground Clearance
10 "John Y. Liu" [johnliu@e51Re: Newbie to the group
11 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D12Frame Overs
12 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D38Small World
13 "barnett childress" [bar17re:Re: Bimini top all season, D90
14 "barnett childress" [bar11re:D90 Seats
15 "barnett childress" [bar18re:EMU shocks/springs/DISCO's/D90's
16 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove55RE: Off Road Adventure (s)
17 PurnellJE@aol.com 19Re: Load space protector
18 "barnett childress" [bar40ARB diff problem resolved!
19 russ burns [burns@cisco.18RE: Discovery-Stuck in the Snow
20 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove56Small World running out of gas
21 Christopher Boese [cboes23Re: Axle guards
22 PurnellJE@aol.com 17Re: 8:1 compression and D90 hard tops
23 PurnellJE@aol.com 24Re: Bimini top all season, D90
24 PurnellJE@aol.com 15Re: Yahoo!-I got stuck!
25 ericz@cloud9.net 34Re: Discovery Ground Clearance
26 rsj@ny.ox.com (Rick Jaff27Disco won't start in cold weather
27 "barnett childress" [bar14re:Re: Bimini top all season, D90
28 [Chris_Browne@us014-bost32Freezing door locks
29 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove37Disco Owner
30 chrisste@clark.net (Chri21Tire Chains
31 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em156motdet09.html (fwd)
32 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove9Tyres for RR
33 sstricklin@pace.atl.ga.u14Dealer Prices
34 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove9Hi lift jack
35 [Chris_Browne@us014-bost30freezing discovery
36 ericz@cloud9.net 41Re: Discovery Ground Clearance
37 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove8Dave Bobeck e-mail me
38 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE18Re: Tire Chains
39 Hugo Madden [madhugo@bes57[not specified]
40 maddeng@Apple.com (gary 40Re: D90 seats
41 Benjamin Allan Smith [be24[not specified]
42 "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa27Re: Tyres for RR
43 David Rosenbaum [rosenba25re:D90 rattles
44 nosirrah@kentnet.co.uk (19Special Insurance
45 Bennett Leeds [bennett@m23Re: Differentials
46 "Gerald" [g@ix.netcom.co19Re: freezing discovery
47 i.mitchell@ic.ac.uk 26Timing
48 Russell Burns [burns@cis16Re: Hi lift jack
49 Russell Burns [burns@cis15Re: Tyres for RR
50 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove17RE: Disco Owner
51 TONY YATES [tonyy@BoM.G52Re: Parts commonality
52 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co13Re: Re re re re re differentials
53 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co13Re: D90 seats
54 hhewson@mail.erols.com (26One Brahmin Writes
55 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca15[not specified]
56 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca20[not specified]
57 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co96Re: land Rover camping- long
58 Shaun Carrigan [shaunc@i16RR power seat
59 NADdMD@aol.com 22Re: Brake problems.
60 Peter Collingridge [pete30Buying a Land-Rover
61 landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi23Re: Load space protector
62 landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi34Re: Timing
63 JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk26Series Rim questions
64 "Gerald" [g@ix.netcom.co19Cranks (was Re: Timing)
65 "Gerald" [g@ix.netcom.co16Re: D90 seats
66 dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu18Re: Cranks
67 "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa34Re: RR power seat
68 Pat Guerin [pat@pixi.com20Re: D90 locking gas cap
69 ericz@cloud9.net 27Re: Cranks


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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:08:57 +0000
Subject:       Re: Any reason?

On  8 Jan 96, CORD5@aol.com wrote:

> don't own a LR, that's too bad.  

I rise to your challenge...

> Once again,  are Rovers significantly cheaper in Europe?  What does a
> D90 or Disco go for?  When did Discos start being sold in Europe?  Cord
> ps - if you don't want to respond to a non lr owner publicly, you can
> email me. 
OK, you have a couple of factors here: spec and driving poition...

One of the cheapest places to buy a second hand Land Rover is the UK, but 
the vehicles are right-hand drive

To get the 3.9V8, D90 with integral roll-cage, you must buy in the US - 
it's a US specific vehicle.

Price - varies acording to country & condition....

My advice is to avoid the mega-hassle of trying to import a non-US vehicle 
into the US.

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1995: "The archididascalus is to be rusticated and will
                cease to be an abecedarian on the 1st of April"

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From: Mike Dryfoos <mikedr@microsoft.com>
Subject: 8:1 compression and D90 hard tops
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 23:37:54 -0800

A couple of comments on recent topics.

This fall I had my SIIA 88" ground down to an 8:1 head, in conjunction with 
installing hardened valve seals and a ring job.  I find it makes a 
noticeable but not dramatic difference in power.  I can keep up on the 
freeway a little better, anyway.  On the downside, my local LR guru (Gordon 
Perrott of Seattle) tells me that I need to burn high-octane fuel.  Given 
the thirst of the IIA, this gets pretty expensive - just like the Range 
Rover!

I dropped by the local LR dealer this weekend to see if they had any D90 SW 
to examine.  They had presold the three that they had, and couldn't get any 
more.  They did have a D90 with fiberglass hard top that someone had traded 
in after owning for a week (!).  This being Seattle, it was raining, and it 
was amusing to see that the front seats were getting dripped on through the 
top door seals just as badly as in my SIIA.  That's one D90 that is 
upholding the true LR heritage, I guess.

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: colorado event
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 01:40:38 -0700 (MST)

Tom Rowe asks:

  Awhile back someone posted tentative info about a LR gathering in 
  Colorado this summer. When and where is it? I didn't save what was 
  posted. I'd like to try to make this year.

It's the National Rally (you too can have one in your backyard and call 
it "national"), tentatively scheduled for Aug. 8-14 in the environs of 
Crested Butte, Colorado.  No other details yet.

Last time we were in the area, rally included a stop-off in Aspen, Land
Rover capital of the US.  It's plushmobileville.  I was there at Christmas
and saw 2 or 3 RRs on every block, including several 4.6.  It's great fun
showing off a decrepit old Series vehicle in that town -- something akin
to Lawrence of Arabia driving straight out of the desert into Buckingham
Palace.  In fact, people kept yelling "Hey, Lawrence!" at me. 

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 05:31:59 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Speedos, brakes (sort of) & wierd submissions

HI all,
  
First of all I have 15 inch wheels and a 16" LWB (I do not mean the
wheel base is 16"!!!).  The total diameter of the tyre is similar to
a 750, hence the speedo is accurate.
  
The tyres where 31x10.5x15.  Now my tyres are 30x9.5x15 which by
my maths is a difference in diameter of 3.3% so the speedo and
odometer over read by 3.3%.  Big deal you are allowed 10%.
  
Andy wibbled:
>odd hole & dents, cheers Steve.
  
As I said at the time I was giving it a Land Rover polish.  Also the
trees looked softer than the dry stone wall on the other side!
  
If anybody has been confused by my submissions in the last few days
it is entirely due to mental failure on my part, I have been replying
to threads on the uk-lro list but sending the reply to this list.
Normal service may resume soon.
  
Have fun, Steve
  
Steve Reddock                         Product Evaluation, 26/12
Xyratex                  Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450  Int.721-4450
REDDOCK at HVTVM         Internet: Steve_Reddock@UK.XYRATEX.COM

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:14:03 GMT
From: Harrington Andrew Richard (eb2_95) <harrinar@ee.port.ac.uk>
Subject: brake problem again

Dear Dixon

	The problem is trying to keep the presure. I am not losing fluid
at all. After the second press of the brakes the presure is back, but then 
goes again, so I can drive it but I have to press the brakes twice to get
any presure. I have also tryed adjusting the shoe distance.

		Cheers,    Andy Harrington.

	

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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:06:33 -0500
Subject: Disco won't start

I've seen this.

The trick is that the new Discos lock out the starter motor when
the pendant is used to lock the car and a key is used to unlock
it, or something like that.

Close the car up, and lock/unlock it with the pendant a few times.

Then get in, put it in neutral, push down both the clutch and the brake,
and try starting it.  It worked for at least one.

	-Bill

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:36:19 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Range Rovers off road

Simon Barclay writes:
snip
> Then in 1973 British Army Officers (amongst others) using Range Rovers were 
> the first to cross the hither to uncrossed by wheeled vehicle Darian Isthmus 
> (also part of the Pan American Highway).   Though I do recall that Series 
> LR's were also used to cut trails!!

An old 88 was airlifted in when the RR's couldn't cut it, but,

Actually a Jeep PU and Land Rover 109 5 door crossed it in the late 
50's. There's an article in a 1959? Natioanal Geographic. I have the 
issue at home, but I'm sure someone on the list knows the month & 
year by memory.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: Stuart Williams <STUARTW@po1.net.cho.ge.com>
Subject: The Better Half (more ways than one) ...
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 09:54:00 EST

>    Duncan
>    PS Hey Stuart, I'll come pick you up for work tomorrow if your wife
>    insists it's her turn for the Disco, heh heh heh...

Sigh.  They even mention snow around here and my wife grabs the Disco keys, 
leaving me with the old LandBruiser.  True, it's a capable machine but not 
quite on the same level of sophistication what with its manual choke, manual 
hubs, manual transmission, etc.  Heck, I might as well be driving a Series 
vehicle !  ;^).  Actually, I think that I'll be seriously in the market for 
a used Rangie (i.e. something that my wife will drive) to replace the LC 
sometime before the next "storm of the century", and those seem to be coming 
just about every year.  Maybe this summer.

Anybody see the footage from New York City on NBC last night?  One of the 
video clips clearly showed a white D-90 as just about the only traffic 
coming down one of the main avenues ...

Stuart (digging out from under 24" of powder) Williams
'95 Discovery V8i
'85 LandCruiser

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:31:30 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Discovery Ground Clearance

 Roger Peng writes:
" If you take a look at a typical U.S. 4WD magazine, almost
 every truck featured has a lift and large tires."

That's why I don't buy those rags anymore.  Got tired of the 
glorification of $50,000-$250,000 dollar rigs that were just for 
show.

and
" Due to limited wheelwell space, I don't think it would be easy to fit
larger tires on a Discovery, nor do I know of any lift kits made
 for this vehicle. Would anyone care to comment regarding this 
issue?"

Land Rover has always emphasized their vehicles as being able to 
attain a high side angle without rollover. Every inch you add to 
height raises your likelyhood of rolling over. Now, I've never looked 
at a Discovery up close so I can't comment on larger tires, but I'd 
be supprised if someone in the UK didn't make a kit to allow at least 
a little larger tires.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 06:29:18 -0800
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Newbie to the group

At 03:42 PM 1/7/96 -0900, you wrote:
>My main questions are:

>2)I've been looking at all the bookstores, but NOBODY carries LR Books. Could 
>the group recommend a good text or two to get me started. I can always
order if 
>I know what books are best.

James Taylor's book is good.  You can order from British Pacific, 800 554 4133.

>3) As to vehicle choice, I'm leaning towards something in an ex-mod type 
>vehicle. I tend towards the lightweight diesel type, but a ex-mod LWB diesel 
>would be ok too. I prefer diesel, better life, fuel economy and easier to get 
>into the country. Also less to go wrong, ie plugs, points, condenser, much 
>simpler, electically and mechanically.

I don't have a diesel, so this is not wholly authoritative advice, but I
believe diesels are remarkably gutless on the road.  Even a petrol is quite
unmotivated on the highway, especially in a LWB.  I was under the impression
diesels present problems in very cold weather but you'd know more about that
than I.  LR diesels are not reputed to be as long-lived as LR petrol
engines.  And the petrol ignition system is about as simple and troublefree
as you could imagine.  Once it's in good shape, you shouldn't expect much to
go wrong.  Overall, unless you want maximum power on the road (go petrol),
or expect to do a lot of deep wading (go diesel), I'd think you should get
the truck in the best condition and not worry too much about the
diesel/petrol choice.

>4)Why ex mod? Several reasons actually, the first being price, I've seen
prices 
>for ex-mod vehicles that appear VERY reasonable. Second, I belong to the
Alaska 
>State Defense Force, (state equivalent of the Alaska National Guard) and we
have 
>outings for training and also several combined gun/vehicle shows per year.
This 
>vehicle would alternate with my Ford Bronco as a daily driver and kind of
rough 
>and ready show vehicle.

Most any LR is a very rough and ready vehicle anway.  I don't think the
ex-MOD's would be any more so.  I'd avoid the 24 volt systems.

Welcome to the list!  Good luck finding your LR.

73, KE6GPF.

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Frame Overs
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 08:31:00 EST

Regarding the methods and time for frame overs. A group of mad mechanics 
from TARC did a frame over on a SIII during a weekend. If Alistair Lowe is 
lurking out there he may be able to pry some details from Dave and post them 
to the digest.

Trevor Easton, Grimsby, Ontario

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Small World
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 08:39:00 EST

In message <199601090450.XAA05336@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote:

] Towards the end of the day
] they pulled into the event area which was well off the road..AND the next
day
] at the airport rally site where I had to drive over the grass to the 
display
] area
    (snip)
] And
] Yes I did run out of gas on the way to Maine last year .. and it was Mark
] Talbot who saved me...

        Now that's all quite odd.  I was the SIII 88" that stopped right 
after
Mark left to get gas.  The Rover world is quite small.

Ben
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  
 ---
 -
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII
88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

And just before you all went on your way again, Mary and I in Miss Golightly 
along with Jim Dolan from Vermont in his SIIA also stopped to see if 
assistance was needed. Then we all convoyed through South Thomaston. Small 
world indeed.

Trevor Easton

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 7:24:37 EST
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Re: Bimini top all season, D90

John,

I have a garage at home and there is a garage at work to park in also. As 
long as the vehicle was moving, and the door tops were on, I didn't get 
much water in the cabin. I even drove to and fro in some really nasty 
dounpours on the turnpike when I got caught in the rain and it wasn't bad 
as long as I stayed under 70MPH!

Cheers,
Soon to have the full cage, rear seats, and surry top!
Barnett.
95 D90

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 8:08:58 EST
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:D90 Seats

John,
My passenger seat rattled constantly also, only when no one was seated in 
it. The dealer tracked it to a faulty seat bracket and replaced it.

Cheers,
Barnett

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 7:06:09 EST
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:EMU shocks/springs/DISCO's/D90's

Tom,
I have OME suspensionon my D90. Ride is actually better than stock.

Extra long travel gas shocks have better control and let wheels hang down 
further. Extra wheel travel gained on the D90 was 2 to 2.5". The vehicle 
was raised about 1 to 1.5".

Also the springs seem to move more freely and have more coils than stock.

I've been happy with it.

Good luck,
Barnett 95 D90.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 15:42:23 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Off Road Adventure (s)

Steve,

No you are claiming that the museum piece has been off-road 5 TIMES !!!!!! 
Come on. Putting those pristine wheels on grass doesn't constitute 
off-roading. 

What you did in October is off-roading, mud flying everywhere, water over the 
hood, rocks and almost tipping over. Now that is off-roading !!!!!!

Oh yes, running out of gas is considered a pre-requisite for Land Rover 
ownership. 

Mark

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From:  ASFCO@aol.com
Sent:  Monday, January 08, 1996 11:50 PM
Subject:  Off Road Adventure (s)

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All;          Just wanted to clarify what Mark Talbot said regarding my ONE
off road experience...It has actually been FIVE.... once in the woods at the
end of the street for a photo...once in Maine at last years rally. I was with
Mark at the Saturday off road event with his Series  lll  while our wives
were in my s lll in Camden on a shopping spree. Towards the end of the day
they pulled into the event area which was well off the road..AND the next day
at the airport rally site where I had to drive over the grass to the display
area......................................

                                                                          and
once at Ray and Heather Dixons infamous Rocky Road tour in NH where thanks to
Ray  I did manage to get that Rover of mine very dirty,. even had a small
tree growing out of the spare tire on the bonnet thanks to Marks dad Trevor
who was visiting from the UK and was along for the ride.    OK thats
FOUR...... well....FIVE if you count jumping a curb and climbing a small hill
to get to  Ray and Heathers house  for the BBQ....BTW couldn't make it up the
hill ..my tires are like bologna skins...... had to go around the corner and
use the driveway.

                                                                          And
Yes I did run out of gas on the way to Maine last year .. and it was Mark
Talbot who saved me...

                                                                       Thanks
Mark you're a good friend and a True L-R  fanatic !!!!!

                                                                      Regards
To All      Steve      WA2GMC     72 s lll 88

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:46:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Load space protector

In a message dated 96-01-08 21:12:21 EST, you write:

>Anyone know where ABP gets their supply of RR load space protectors. It's
the
>plastic sheet that fits over the rear cargo area. I'm sure they are cheaper 
>back home in the UK. 

Speaking of load space protectors, does anyone know where to get that
wonderful spider-web like bunji cord thingee that I saw in the Defender90
video?  The one where the dad is covering all the coolers and sleeping bags
to keep them in place during all that fording and tree climbing they did?

JOhn.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 12:12:01 EST
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: ARB diff problem resolved!

Hello all!

A while back I posted a note on a problem/noise I was having after Rovers 
North had installed Air lockers in the front and rear diffs on my D90. The 
rear locker started making a grinding noise. All seemed fine when we took 
our initial test drive but after several weeks the back diff became very 
noisy. RN came and got my LR with a flatbed from LRMW in MA. back on 
12/16/95.

Holidays, bad weather, and the most knowledgeable person at ARB being on 
vacation for a week really slowed things up, but I'm finally getting my 
D90 back tomorrow.

Upon inspection RN found the spacer behind one of the side gears 
completely worn away! The ARB diff is much wider than the stock LR diff. 
After talking to ARB several times and taking some measurements they found 
my axle was at the long side of it's tolerance, this was putting pressure 
on the diff. There was enough play in the original setup so I never had a 
problem. The solution was to mill 2/1000ths from the side gear and 
fabricate a 1/8th inch spacer to keep the axle from seating in so far. RN 
has never seen this problem before.

I'm just lucky that way!

P.S. RN is also returning my D90 to the dealer. Plus they are covering the 
cost of my rental. They are truly great to deal with. If something 
unexpected comes up, as it did for me, I can honestly say they truly stand 
behind their work.

Can't wait to finally go play in all this snow!

Barnett
Soon to have no more Rover withdrawal
Childress
Sturbridge, MASS. 

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:12:23 -0800
From: russ burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: Discovery-Stuck in the Snow

Ya, I tried it in my pond. I mentioned that it is hard on the Truck.
but it might get you out of a jam.
Russ Burns

At 11:11 PM 1/8/96 -0800, Robert Watson (CNA) wrote:
>Have you tried this method? Does it stink (from burning brakes & revving 
>engine)?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>quit, and start shoveling.
>Russ Burns
Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 16:39:01 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Small World running out of gas

Actually, there was quite a gang of Land Rovers when Steve Bradke ran out of 
gas. I remember about 5-6 either stopped or came by.

That event has now been etched in history as I taped Steve pouring gas into 
the "museum piece". My son now refers to him as "Steve runs out of gas". 

I will NEVER let him (Steve) forget it !  

 

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From:  Easton Trevor
Sent:  Tuesday, January 09, 1996 8:39 AM
Subject:  Small World

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In message <199601090450.XAA05336@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote:

] Towards the end of the day
] they pulled into the event area which was well off the road..AND the next
day
] at the airport rally site where I had to drive over the grass to the 
display
] area
    (snip)
] And
] Yes I did run out of gas on the way to Maine last year .. and it was Mark
] Talbot who saved me...

        Now that's all quite odd.  I was the SIII 88" that stopped right 
after
Mark left to get gas.  The Rover world is quite small.

Ben
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  

 ---
 -
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII
88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

And just before you all went on your way again, Mary and I in Miss Golightly 
along with Jim Dolan from Vermont in his SIIA also stopped to see if 
assistance was needed. Then we all convoyed through South Thomaston. Small 
world indeed.

Trevor Easton

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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 08:37:22 -0800
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Axle guards

Mark Talbot wrote:

> Anyone used, bought diff / axle guards for a RR or Disco ? If so where did you
> get them. I have looked  at the southdown products, and they seem okay.
> Any ideas ?

I saw a diff guard for the Discovery at the Mission Viejo Land Rover Centre just before 
Christmas. It was just a heavy steel cup that fit around the prop shaft and clamped down with a 
single bolt. They were selling them for, I think, $85. There was only one guard left, so I passed 
on it, but when I find a pair I'll buy two. I think anyone could install these diff guards with 
no special tools.

-- 

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery V8i

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:35:23 -0500
Subject: Re: 8:1 compression and D90 hard tops

In a message dated 96-01-09 03:42:50 EST, you write:

> it was raining, and it 
>was amusing to see that the front seats were getting dripped on through the 
>top door seals just as badly as in my SIIA.  That's one D90 that is 
>upholding the true LR heritage, I guess.

... and mine makes two.  Go Land Rover!

John
94 D90, Dr. Leaky

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:35:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Bimini top all season, D90

In a message dated 96-01-09 10:50:24 EST, you write:
>John,
>I have a garage at home and there is a garage at work to park in also. As 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>Barnett.
>95 D90

Thanks Barnett.  It's good to know that I won't have to worry about every
little rain in the upcoming season.  And I do have the full cage and
surrey,so we'll see how that works. 

Have you found that the front seats can get soaked and then dried off
quickly, eg, with a towel, or does the foam padding inside actually get
soaked and take a while to dry?  I don't mind going off-roading or grocery
shopping with a drenched derrier, but to work is a different matter.  

JOhn.
94 D90

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:35:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Yahoo!-I got stuck!

In a message dated 96-01-09 02:24:16 EST, you write:

> I broke almost every off-roading/snow driving rule, but man did we make
>some memories! 

which ones?   i need to be prepared if it ever snows here again. . . 
thanks
John, N9EJC
94 D90, Wisconsin.

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:00:17 -0800
Subject: Re: Discovery Ground Clearance

<---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->
From: ericz@cloud9.net
Subject: Re: Discovery Ground Clearance

On Mon, 8 Jan 96, rpeng@cadev6.intel.com wrote:

>One thing that strikes me about the Discovery is that it
>rides on rather small tires. The ground clearance doesn't
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>If you take a look at a typical U.S. 4WD magazine, almost
>every truck featured has a lift and large tires.
Witness the "mine is bigger than yours" mentality of US off-roading.  If you 
want to go crazy about lifting vehicles and putting big tires underneath it, 
sell your disco and buy a Jeep.  The mentality of big tires and big lifts 
promoted by the 4x4 magazines is just about the most disgusting thing I can 
think of (worse than buying a Jeep).  It encourages large amounts of wheel spin 
and the practice of spewing trail over 200 yards of countryside.  Land Rovers 
get through with a greater deal of 'finesse', preserving the trail (so we can go 
play there again) and preserving the driveline.  Ask one of the big lift people 
how many U-joints he's gone through someday. Watch a Camel Trophy video to see 
how it should be done.

One of the larger reasons I'm a LR enthusiast is that I don't get associated 
with the bigger is better crowd.  Don't be fooled by what's in the magazines.

Eric
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 13:01 EST
From: rsj@ny.ox.com (Rick Jaffe)
Subject: Disco won't start in cold weather

On  8 Jan 96, Rick Jaffe wrote:

> My Disco has since Saturday failed to start.  The battery is still
> okay, but the engine won't turn over. [...] Help.

Thanks for your comments.  On Monday night, after three important days
without my Disco, I received my answer:
1. Hook up jumper cables to another battery.
2. Say something nice to your starter motor because it may be the last
   time you see it alive.
3. Close the owner's manual because you won't *want* to know what it
   says about step #4.
4. Crank the starter for up to two minutes while vigorously and
   continuously pumping the accelerator.

The tow truck driver "knew" this would work because he had just
successfully completed the procedure on another Disco.  (And I live in
a small town!)  All in all, for the Blizzard of '96 I can only give
the Disco a very disappointing "incomplete".

Rick rsj@ox.com
'95 Disco, Gassandra

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 13:09:05 EST
From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com>
Subject: re:Re: Bimini top all season, D90

John,
I've never had the seats totally drenched, but when they have gotten wet 
they do towel dry. The seat cover material what ever it is seems to be 
fairly water resistant. 

Translation = (My ass stays dry!).

Cheers,
Barnett

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Date: 09 Jan 96 13:14:22 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Freezing door locks

---------------------------- Forwarded with Changes ---------------------------
From: Chris Browne at US014-BOSTON-MINET
Date: 1/9/96 9:40AM
Receipt Requested
Subject: Freezing door locks
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     Sent this meesage to a fellow lister 

______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________
Subject: Freezing door locks
Author:  Chris Browne at US014-BOSTON-MINET
Date:    1/9/96 9:40 AM

     I broke an ignition key to my disco 3 miles from home while trying to 
     fill up at the gas station one day last winter. nice walk home with 
     several feet of snow to get the spare key and drive back to the car. 
     finally figured out that the lock for the fuel door wasn't frozen but 
     the barrel that the lock was in wouldn't allow the lock to turn. 
     several sprays of wd 40 has loosen up the lock/barrel so it works. i 
     guess that the wd 40 pushes out all the crud  that accumulates  over 
     time

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 18:21:06 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Disco Owner

After coming to the defense of  all Land Rover owners, I have to pass this on 
to you all. When the Discos first came out, my neighbour went and got one, 
fine, he wanted a good 4x4 for the NH weather/winters, he's had it about 18 
months now, his wife drives it.

Today I was out clearing snow, AGAIN !!!! who should drive by but said couple 
in Disco, now I live in the middle of NOWHERE !!! And what with my 2 RR's and 
2 Series vehicles, we have 5 in the space of 1/2  mile.

Anyway, we have just got another RR, a 91, so they stopped to ask that they 
thought they saw us driving a green RR, did we have another ? Yes, got it 
Saturday. "Oh" came the reply. "So now you have two Range Rovers and two Land 
Rovers" ? "Who makes those Range Rovers  ? "  

I couldn't believe it. So I pointed to the badge on the Front of the RR and 
then on their Disco and said "I wonder !!!!" He stood there and said, "Land 
Rover makes Range Rovers as well !!!!! I didn't know that" .  I told him that 
the 109 was also made by them. "NO" he said, "but they are really old !!!!"  

Then I began to explain that the Disco is built on the old RR Classic chassis 
and shares a lot of the same parts, front doors, basically the entire running 
gear and chassis. He just wouldn't have it, "Mine is a DISCOVERY" he said 
proudly. "Yep, it is, its a cheaper Range Rover I replied back, thats fills 
the cap in the product line from the Defender to the RR, all created by the 
SUV market going crazy". Then came, "What's a Defender". I just gave up. 

They then had enough, said good bye and off they went. 

I'm not saying that RR's are better vehicles etc, all have their own 
strengths, RR's just suit my needs.

   

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:28:06 -0500 (EST)
From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens)
Subject: Tire Chains

I know this is an old subject for the digest, but does it do any good to
put chains all round...all four wheels. In a panic, I went out this am and
bought a pair for the rear tires of the SIIa ( I almost got stuck in the 28
inches of snow we had here yesterday). Could have been embarrasing.

Chris

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:39:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: motdet09.html (fwd)

Electronic Telegraph  Tuesday 9 January 1996  Motoring

   [Motoring]
  
Ground breakers

  Eric Bailey in Detroit reviews the annual
  showcase of American design and innovation
  and assesses the impact of the new
  Mercedes AAV - a 4x4 pitched against
  the Range Rover and Discovery
 
   DETROIT in January looks bad from the air: a sectioned
   metropolis of grey roofs, grey trees, grey streets; only the grass is
   not grey, and that's brown.
  
   Out to the north Lake Huron is still and heavy, its inshore waters
   coloured pewter, its horizon dormant with ice. On the ground it's not
   much better. By Wednesday of this week - the first day of the North
   American International Automobile Show - snow as fine as talcum had
   dusted the streets and closed the schools. There was good news on the
   weather though: it was only going to be five degrees below. In Detroit
   in January, that's tropical.
  
   Downtown the city is empty and dangerous: those who could afford to
   get out got out long ago, fleeing to the suburbs and leaving a vacuum
   of empty lots, mugging arenas and tenements full of perpetrators.
   We're in the city centre, but here, warns our driver, you don't go out
   after dark on foot unless you can run like hell. Only in the financial
   district, he says, can you walk around after sundown.
  
   But two days at the show didn't allow for much risky promenading: the
   Auto Show, once a parochial affair of interest to dealers and
   three-shaves-a-day executives, has blossomed into a riveting showcase
   of American design and innovation, of which there is now plenty.
  
   There's a spring in the step and a twinkle in the eye of American auto
   executives, whose operations have undergone something of a renaissance
   since the Japanese caught a cold from the exchange rate.
  
   The likes of Ford, GM and Chrysler regrouped, reorganised, learned
   lessons about production and quality and leapt out of the trenches
   with whole new model ranges: the oldest car in the Chrysler range is
   now the Dodge Viper, shown only four years ago. GM introduced four new
   saloons in Detroit; Chrysler and Ford offered some breathtaking
   concepts: it was enough to make Japanese car makers reach for the hot
   sake and the karaoke machine.
  
   Demand in America has slowed this year; one dealer talked of people
   "losing the emotion of car buying - they're only buying what they
   need". But the Americans are buoyed up too by the fact that
   prestigious European manufacturers have realised that the best place
   to make cars for America is . . . America.
  
    From a British point of view, the AAV was the most important car at the
    show
   
   BMW's Z3 sports car, to be built at a new factory in South Carolina,
   was there, but the big "reveal" was of Mercedes' AAV - a cross
   between an estate car and a full-scale off-roader, which was partly
   designed in California and which will be built in Tuscaloosa, Alabama,
   at a factory fronted by a sign which reads "Guten Tag Freunde (Hey
   Neighbour)". Down there, the neighbours work more cheaply than
   Germans, as they do in South Carolina.
  
   From a British point of view, the AAV was the most important car at
   the show: the Americans get it in late 1997, and we get it in 1998.
   Mercedes described this as a "work in progress" but it's too late now
   for substantial revisions, so the basics of what we saw will be what
   hits American showrooms, priced from the mid-$30,000s; complete
   guesswork suggests the UK price will start around =A325,000.
  
   It looks good, better than it has in gouache 'n' guesswork drawings
   we've seen. Flared arches, side bumpers and a swooping roofline give
   it the muscularity required in the 4x4 sector, while the triangular
   rear light cluster and pared down grille convey the Mercedes styling
   genes. Its low ride-height - more saloon level than high and mighty
   offroader - is likely to be a disadvantage on real rough stuff, but
   will make it easier to get in and out of.
  
   The front is terrific, with huge Chinese-eye lights which work so much
   better than the E-class's grisly stare, and big spotlights mounted in
   the bumper. The rear is less good - the glass area has awkward complex
   angles, and the rear door pivots open from the side like the old
   Frontera's, meaning that a good five feet of space is required behind
   before opening. But Mercedes still has a bit of fiddling time.
  
   The chances are it will fulfil Mercedes' promise of exceptional
   on-road performance: the separate chassis has been designed
   specifically for this vehicle, and all-round independent suspension is
   used. Offroad performance is another matter - but no doubt it will be
   capable enough for all but the most determined cross country drivers.
  
   There will certainly be enough power: engine options will be a
   4.3-litre V8 and 2.4-litre V6, both from a new range of power plants
   being developed, and - for us limp-wristed Europeans - a four-cylinder
   petrol unit and turbodiesel.
  
    At Detroit the AAV was one of the few new cars to elicit a round of
    applause from the cynical and satiated audience
   
   Mercedes say that it will be pitched against the Range Rover and
   Discovery, but interior space might scupper that theory: though the
   AAV is wider than the Ford Explorer and has a wheelbase longer than
   the Jeep Grand Cherokee, it doesn't look as big inside as either. The
   rear is frankly cramped, and the cargo space modest.
  
   The interior of the car we saw can be largely disregarded, tricked out
   as it was in fancy leather embossed with AAV, chrome gear lever gate
   and television in the back; it was a styling studio fantasy. But
   Mercedes interiors are built on old-fashioned functionality, which
   should suit this vehicle better than the saloons.
  
   Mercedes mentioned that it had become a member of the Tread Lightly
   Organisation, a group which encourages drivers to think before they
   flatten the countryside - though there is doubt in my mind as to
   whether this would stop the driver who has just spent $35,000 on a
   purpose-built countryside flattener.
  
   There are other potential annoyances: AAV stands for All Activity
   Vehicle, and one of the activities available will be to open the back
   door, twist round the mighty Bose speakers, and fill the bosky glades
   with ZZ Top.
  
   There was a frisson of excitement when the Mercedes PR man announced
   that a German executive called Andreas Renschler and Michael Jackson
   were to present the AAV, but Jackson turned out to be executive vice
   president of sales. There followed a not-very-comical exposition of
   the Flintstones as the owners of the first "sport utility" and some
   gimpy banter along the lines of:
  
   Andreas: "You know Mike, this vehicle is going to break new ground."
  
   Mike: "Oh yeah? Well how can you be so sure?"
  
   Andreas: "That's a tough question, Mike. Well I'll tell you . . . "
  
   Mike told us there were three reasons for the AAV, but gave us only
   two: that the sport utility market continues to grow, and that 25 per
   cent of Mercedes owners already have a sport utility in their garage
   but would prefer to have a three-pointed star on the front of it.
  
   Maybe the third reason is that Mercedes is currently jumping feet
   first into any niche it identifies: the SLK sports car, the Swatch
   minicar and the Viano people mover will all be arriving before the end
   of the decade. At Detroit the AAV was one of the few new cars to
   elicit a round of applause from the cynical and satiated audience. But
   it is still two years away. How crowded, how important will the 4x4
   market be by then? That's a tough question, Mike.
  
   Electronic Telegraph is a Registered Service Mark of The Telegraph plc

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 18:29:07 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Tyres for RR

Anyone know the largest size tyres that will fit the RR Classic. I was 
thinking of going to 225/75 ?

Mark

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 13:17:27 -400
From: sstricklin@pace.atl.ga.us (Slade Stricklin)
Subject: Dealer Prices

Does anyone know what percent Land Rover Dealers mark up the prices on Genuine
Parts from their price to retail?

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 19:28:05 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Hi lift jack

Anyone used a hi-lift jack on a RR. Do you have to get a special mounting 
plate ????? 

Mark

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Date: 09 Jan 96 13:14:25 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: freezing discovery 

     
     Was in Vermont USA this weekend, and had to leave my child outside in 
     the minus 15 deg temperatures. started in the am quite happily but I 
     could hear a thump thump thump for several seconds until the engine 
     oil made its way around. sounded like the main bearings to me.
     
     wheels felt square, auto tranny really didn't want to change, drove 
     slowly for the first few minutes until everything loosened up. Can 
     anyone in Canada tell us folks about the LR block heater you have as 
     standard up there? where does the plug come out, where does it plug in 
     etc
     
     heater in the discovery is fabulous even at these temps. washer bottle 
     froze solid had to pick up snow to clear the screen every so often 
     damm nuisance if you ask me!! (thats a joke)
     
     Only casualty from the weekend was a center cap from one of my alloy 
     wheels fell off. ordered another one from the dealer. does  this count 
     as a dinky problem? anyone else suffered this terrible fate? should I 
     have called for road side assistance? should I write to LRNA and 
     complain?
     
     Regards 
     Chris browne
     If they didn't plough all the snow life would be wonderful

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:49:22 -0800
Subject: Re: Discovery Ground Clearance

<---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->
From: ericz@cloud9.net
Subject: Re: Discovery Ground Clearance

<---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->
From: ericz@cloud9.net
Subject: Re: Discovery Ground Clearance

On Mon, 8 Jan 96, rpeng@cadev6.intel.com wrote:

>One thing that strikes me about the Discovery is that it
>rides on rather small tires. The ground clearance doesn't
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>If you take a look at a typical U.S. 4WD magazine, almost
>every truck featured has a lift and large tires.
Witness the "mine is bigger than yours" mentality of US off-roading.  If you 
want to go crazy about lifting vehicles and putting big tires underneath it, 
sell your disco and buy a Jeep.  The mentality of big tires and big lifts 
promoted by the 4x4 magazines is just about the most disgusting thing I can 
think of (worse than buying a Jeep).  It encourages large amounts of wheel spin 
and the practice of spewing trail over 200 yards of countryside.  Land Rovers 
get through with a greater deal of 'finesse', preserving the trail (so we can go 
play there again) and preserving the driveline.  Ask one of the big lift people 
how many U-joints he's gone through someday. Watch a Camel Trophy video to see 
how it should be done.

One of the larger reasons I'm a LR enthusiast is that I don't get associated 
with the bigger is better crowd.  Don't be fooled by what's in the magazines.

Eric
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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 19:46:14 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Dave Bobeck e-mail me

Dave 

Please e-mail me or call, 603-357-3401

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:00:12 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Tire Chains

> I know this is an old subject for the digest, but does it do any good to
> put chains all round...all four wheels. In a panic, I went out this am and

Yep.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:02:41 -0800
Subject: Re re re re re differentials
From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com>

>I know I'm going to blow this but whats a center diff???  I know about diffes
>on each axle, & transfer case behind the transmission.  But Center Diff is a
>new one for me.  I'm assuming its a newer technology than came on my 109 or
>TR3.

>Hoping to be enlightened
>TeriAnn

W-e-l-l, TeriAnn, assuming that you don't mind getting engineering advice 
from a chemist, sit down and read this.

When a four wheeled vehicle turns a corner, the outside wheels have to go 
further than the inside wheels, as a result the outer half-axle has to 
spin faster.  To avoid serious tire wear and/or early axle breakdown, the 
differential was invented to allow the inner and outer wheels to rotate 
at different speeds while still transmitting the same torque to each 
wheel.  For a 4WD, the situation is a tad more complicated.   A part-time 
4WD vehicle, such as an early LR, has a transfer case that can be shifted 
into 4WD.  In this position, the front and rear driveshafts are both 
driven at the same speed, there's no differential action at all.  Thus if 
(say) one front wheel is spinning in air, the rear drive shaft is still 
rotating at the same rpm as the front drive-shaft. In this situation, 
most of the torque winds up being delivered to the rear drive shaft, 
which is just what you want to get out from whatever stuck situation you're in.

So what's the downside?  Well, if you drive your part time 4WD on dry 
pavement with 4WD selected, there will be additional wear and tear on 
driveline components and tires.  This is because in normal driving the 
front and rear driveshafts don't want to rotate at the same speed all the 
time (esp. on tight corners).  In the kind of situations where you need 
the part time 4WD this isn't a concern'cos you're usually in a situation 
where you've got some tire slippage anyway.

But for full-time 4WD vehicles, something has to be done.  The solution 
is to build a diff into the transfer case.  The diff now transmits equal 
torque to the front and rear driveshafts but doesn't require them to 
rotate at the same speed.  This clears up the problem of driveline and 
tire wear on dry pavement, but means that if one wheel loses traction 
totally, the torque provided to all four wheels essentially becomes zero. 
 The solution is to make the diff in the t'fer case (centre diff) 
lockable either manually or by installing some kind of viscous coupling 
(as in the Rangie) which allows for small differences in rotational speed 
between the front and rear driveshafts but locks up if the rotational 
difference becomes too large.

if this doesn't make sense, you should try me on the chemistry!

Hugo

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:09:32 -0800
From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden)
Subject: Re: D90 seats

> JEPurnell@aol.com writes on Mon, 8 Jan 1996
>Subject: D90 seats

>Anyone have problems with their seats making noise or falling apart?  My
>passenger seatback  has a squeak that lubricant hasn't fixed, and then
>recently, a long thin rod fell out of the back of it.  It is the kind of
>squeak that could easily drive a human being insane, that kind.  I am hoping
>that Mr. LR Dealer will see fit to replace it completely.  

The exact same thing has happened to my seats!  My LR dealer said the rod
can be reattached and is only an extra wireframe rod (will do so at next
servicing).  I haven't been able to isolate the squeak on passenger side
and usually can't hear it over flapping top/wind/tire noise (but it is
noticable with top off and cruising at moderate speeds), so it will have to
wait until spring.

Has anybody on the list replaced Series or Defender seats with good
aftermarket items?  Seems like a seat upgrade would be a good investment. 
Since the factory seats are neither very comfortable nor high quality, what
do the severe off-road teams use?  I'd like support and comfort for on and
off-road. 

Another interior design flaw is that the locking center counsole on  D90s
doesn't like water:  It got wet and hence the liner warped, the fabric on
the lid puckered and now it will not lock.  (How am I supposed to hose out
the interior?)  Still waiting to see what the dealer says on replacing it,
but for you serious D90 snorklers and tops-off at all costs owners, the
console cover (a pricey Bestop waterproof cover with stretch elastic) may
be a good insurance policy. Ambitious owners can easily make their own
covers, but an ounce of prevention...

Warped and soggy in California
Cheers, 
Gary Madden
94D90  

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Subject: Re: Frame Overs 
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 12:25:13 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199601091517.KAA06435@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote:
  
> Regarding the methods and time for frame overs. A group of mad mechanics 
> from TARC did a frame over on a SIII during a weekend. If Alistair Lowe is 
> lurking out there he may be able to pry some details from Dave and post them 
> to the digest.

	Is Alistair the son of Dave "you can pull a Rover 2.25L engine in 45
minutes using only open ended wrenches (or so he claimed to learn when he pulled
Brett Storey's engine 3 times in the same day)" and "101 FC" Lowe from Toronto?

Ben, (checking to see how really small the Rover world is)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:22:19 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Tyres for RR

On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Mark Talbot wrote:

> Anyone know the largest size tyres that will fit the RR Classic. I was 
> thinking of going to 225/75 ?

Mark,

There's been a lot of discussion about this in the past few months.  The
bottom line is that you should be OK.  I've got 225/85 on my 88 and no
problems indicated to date, and yes, it's been off road a few times. 

Since you won't be taking it out extreme driving conditions (that's
what the Series vehicles are for?) you shouldn't be testing the limits of
the articulation.  I'll send you some comments Stefan Jacob had last
summer on the subject. 

Walt
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:01:46 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: re:D90 rattles

On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, barnett childress wrote:

> My passenger seat rattled constantly also, only when no one was seated in 
> it. The dealer tracked it to a faulty seat bracket and replaced it.

My D90 has quite a few rattles. Most come and go. Sometimes I think 
they're coming from the inertial reel seatbelt things. Nothing has fallen 
off in two years.....
Reminds me of the sticker: "If you can read this, you are too darned 
close." So after listening to the rattle of the day for awhile (to make 
sure it hasn't changed or gotten *serious*), I just open the window a bit 
(to get the top flapping a little more) or turn up the radio and happily 
rover-on.
Any time I have tried to reproduce the rattles by jumping around inside 
or pulling on the safari cage with the engine off and the Land Rover not 
moving, I can't get any of them to happen.........and I get the feeling 
that my beloved Land Rover is silently asking me, "What the Hell are you 
doing, Dave." (I don't even think about what the neighbors must be thinking)

-David

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Date: Tue,  9 Jan 96 21:35:30 PST
From: nosirrah@kentnet.co.uk (EPJ Harrison)
Subject: Special Insurance

Recently I heard two seperate people talking of very cheap insurance 
especially for Ex-MOD vehicles.  Does anyone in the UK know anything about 
this??

Second, I read in LRO magazine about some students who did up a series LR 
and replaced the fuel guage/ammeter/full beam instrument panel with a rather 
flashy rev. counter.  Anyone know how to do this?

Thanks for your help, you can expect more to follow.....

Tom Harrison, Maidstone, Kent 
P.S. Does anyone live near me who subscribes?

19'6something  88" IIA

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 13:40:35 PST
From: Bennett Leeds <bennett@mv.us.adobe.com>
Subject: Re: Differentials

I don't know about off-road use, but limited slip differentials are  
great on roads. Race cars and serious sports cars almost always have  
them. A bit more than a decade ago a new design came out: the  
Torsen-Gleason hypoid bevel gear differential. This design not only  
wears out much slower, it does a better job. Supposedly Mario  
Andretti put one in his Indy race car and immediately his top speed  
went up 2 MPH (a big gain). I've got one in my '66 E-Type (not  
original equipment).

I've also got a limited slip in my RX-7 and 3325is (standard  
equipment). These are all rear wheel drive cars. The only drawback to  
them that I'm aware of is cost (when a clutch type limited slip wears  
out you've got yourself a regular open diff).

But again, I don't know if they have drawbacks in 4WD or off-road  
use. Anyone know what they put in Hummers, for instance?

- Bennett Leeds

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:49:30 -0500
Subject: Re: freezing discovery 

On  9 Jan 96 at 13:14, Chris_Browne@us014-boston-mi wrote:
>      Was in Vermont USA this weekend, and had to leave my child outside in 
>      the minus 15 deg temperatures. started in the am quite happily but I 
>      could hear a thump thump thump for several seconds until the engine 
>      oil made its way around. sounded like the main bearings to me.

Started my Discovery three times this morning with temperature about 
17 F/-8 C. The third time I could watch the rpm slowly climb up. I 
was wondering if only 6 cylinders were firing at first then 7 then 8.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: i.mitchell@ic.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 19:16:09 GMT
Subject: Timing

Hi all

Graeme wrote:-

>I suspect my timing but as of yet don't have a crank to turn the
>engine by hand. Is there any other way of adjusting the timing?

I don't know off hand, but I am sure that there must be another way of
turning th engine over. However, you can do the dynamic timing if you
have access to a timing lamp (Halfords have the basic on in their sale
at the moment for about a tenner or so, I think).

I bought (Halford's sale again!) one of these see through spark plugs
('colortune' they are called) but haven't managed to use it yet. Anyone
else got any experience with them?

I have my SWB for more than a year now but still consider myself a
beginner!

Cheers, Ian.

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Hi lift jack
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 15:02:02 PST

 I have a GDE winch on the front which works fine with a HI lift jack.
For the  rear I use  the trailer receptcial (US Range Rover

Russ Burns

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Anyone used a hi-lift jack on a RR. Do you have to get a special mounting 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> plate ????? 
> Mark

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Tyres for RR
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 15:06:39 PST

I have 225/75r16 on my classic, and have not had any trouble.
It has been off road in Canyon Lands, and Colorado.

Russ Burns
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> thinking of going to 225/75 ?
> Mark

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 21:18:45 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Disco Owner

Looks like there are two of them !!!!!! 

----------
From:  John B. Friedman
Sent:  Saturday, January 09, 1897 2:09 PM
Subject:  Re: Disco Owner

I think I may have met this guy in PA--was he an elderly very  
unfocused guy with blue or blue grey disco or maybe black and lots of  
gold chains on? I met such a guy in Ohio at a motel who lived in NH.  
He did not have a clue about his car--"his son told him to get it." 

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:12:47 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: Parts commonality

On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Simon Barclay wrote:

> Just thought you might like to know that I counted 72 Land Rover vehicles on 
> my way to work this morning.  This was between 06.45Hrs and about 07.00Hrs 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> ones) a S2A (ex Army) and a couple of '85ish 110's and a newer Defender tray 
> back.

Here in Port Hedland (max temp 40+C at the moment), a town of approx 
10000, I have counted:

110 Defender - 1 green hardtop, 1 white trayback(govt)
130 Defender - 1 white
110 (pre Defender) - 4 Red, 1 white, 1 blue, 1 brown.
Range Rovers - lots, including 1 very neat ute conversion.
Discoverys - several, most of which are well fitted out for off roading.
Series vehicles - heaps.

Not too many older Toyonissans here, possibly due to the saltworks, plus 
most off roading is beach/tidal creek stuff.

M Scott Fugate wrote: "I still get a disconcerting "bump" from the right 
front occasionally when I round a corner.  This only happens when it is 
raining, however.  Very strange."

Strange indeed. I had the same thing, a nasty clunk when cornering, but 
only when wet!  Turned out to be a worn panhard rod bush.

One of the more fun jobs I get to do with the State Emergency Service is 
to rescue people who have got themselves stuck out in the boondocks.  
Last week I was called out to help this guy who had sunk his Nissan in 
the coastal salt flats to the east of here.  The temp was 40C, he was 
trying to cross the flats to get to the coast for a spot of fishing, with 
his wife and kids, and *NO* recovery gear.  He was sunk to the chassis in 
custard like mud and was trying to jack using a small bottle jack.

This brings me to my point, one thing we use in the SES in mud like this 
is sandbags.  We jacked him up with a hi-lift (his comment was "those 
things are pretty good aren't they?"), and put bags under the wheels 
(full of mud), then just pulled him out.  Once the vehicle was sitting on 
the bags he probably could have driven out.

Before SES I had never heard of sandbags as a recovery tool.  They are 
wonderfully simple, cheap, easy to carry, disposable and effective.  They 
may even work in snow. (although I have no experience with that stuff).

Cheers.   Tony.

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:28:47 -0800
Subject: Re: Re re re re re differentials

Thanks for filling me in.  I've never paid attention to the insides of the
post series cars except for the Defender seats.  I had no idea they played
games like that to get full time fourwheel drive.

Thanks again

TeriAnn

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:31:12 -0800
Subject: Re: D90 seats

OK guys, 

If you don't like the D90 seats, I will be happy to purchase them from you at
a reasonable used price.  I would even be happy to trade a slightly used set
of series front seats upholstered in early Duct tape.

TeriAnn ;*)

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:33:30 -0500
From: hhewson@mail.erols.com (H. J. Hewson)
Subject: One Brahmin Writes

Hello all-

Couldn't help but submit this beautiful piece from the Tuesday, January 9
Washington Post Style section:
        "Trudging across the tundra of the suburbs, The Source noticed that
a caste system had emerged in the blizzard. There were those on foot, their
expensive foreign sedans immobilized. There were those with four-wheel-drive
vehicles, smugly peering out their tinted windows, wearing snow-eating
grins. And elevated beyond their ordinary statusto the highest caste were
Range Rover operators. They can plow through drifts without ever hanging up
the car phone. Maybe they're all talking to each other in some Rover Friends
and Family network."
        After a few minutes of pondering this I've come to accept that I am
truely a part of the highest caste. If any of you Series, Disco or Defender
owners (notice how I lumped you all together) buy me enough beer, I might
show you the secret handshake.
        Time to go rescue some slack-jawed Land Cruiser from a snow drift.

Harry
'89 Mange Rover (Scratched, dented, and leaking from no fewer than 4
locations!) 

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Subject: Land Rover toy news
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 95 19:06:29 -0500

Recently steve Bradke posted a note about Hobby Heaven in Michigan and 
there Range Rovers for sale, no more left, I just bought them!!

Rgds

Robin

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Subject: Lightweight for sale
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 95 19:07:40 -0500

A friend of mine in Wainright Alberta has the following vehcile for sale 
but he is netless so I'm posting here on his behalf, nothing more.

1978 Series 3 lightweight ex British Army. Now fitted with hard top, 16" 
radials and painted marine blue. Has a mdoern(sic) heater w ith balls, 
has heated winshiled both sides up front, 12volt delco alternator and 
fully converted to 12volt throughout, currently fitted with winch but 
does not want to sel winch at present.

Vehcile is a daily driver and runs sweetly. Offers $10,000, call Alex 
Heath at 1 403 842 2955 evenings.

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:52:02 -0800
Subject: Re: land Rover camping- long

Land Rover camping

John, Don't forget the pop-up folding tents that fit on Land Rover roofs for
above Land Rover camping (Brownchurch comes to mind)  Also Cranix (sp?) in
the UK has that tent that attaches to the rear of a Land Rover allowing you
to camp both in and out of your Land Rover at the same time.

Since Dormobile parts are hard to come by, I'll limit my discussion to
non-Dormobile camping and since I nave only camped in a 109 two door, I'll
limit myself to 109 two door camping.  But you might want to mention the cots
used in series II 88s that anchor in the front on the metal instrument panel
and go over the front seat.

The bed in a 109 two door has space for a six foot long person to stretch out
for sleeping.  If you have a tail gate open, you can accommodate a taller
person.

There are several options available for sleeping.  If you are single camping,
you can lay a air mattress or chase lounge pad down directly on the floor.
 If you are double camping, you can place a a sheet of plywood over the side
shelves providing plenty of space for two to sleep side by side.  Both of
these solutions allow for the car to remain unmodified.  Some people have
built in permanent beds  using a mattress and space under them for storage.
 Another option for Land Rovers that have windowless sides is to side hinged
beds that fold up against the wall when not in use.

The 109 two door has lots of unused space under the side shelves between the
back of the front seats and the rear wheels.  My car has a 5 gal horizontal
propane tank with top valve on the right side.  This is essentially the same
type that comes on propane fork lifts.  It gives me gas for about 5 days of
cooking and heating water for washing.

This space can also be used for water storage if you have a custom water tank
made.  There is an outrigger that the water tank can sit on.  You should be
able to fit a 20 gallon water tank on each side.  I should know the capacity
this spring when i build one for the left side of my car.  This helps keep
the weight  and roll center low.

I have been camping in a 109 two door with unmodified rear interior by
strapping the cooler and plastic storage boxes to the side shelves with
bungle cords.  I had one box for sleeping bag and pillow, one for clothing
and one for kitchen.  There was space for strapping two additional boxes to
the side shelves without occupying the bed of the back proper.

I also brought propane lanterns, a folding table and chairs.  The table got
set up alongside the Land Rover next to the propane tank.  I connect a two
burner propane stove to the built in tank.  So my cooking was done outside
alongside the Land Rover.  I attached up a large nylon sheet to the side of
the car's roof and set it up as an awning using poles on the outside.  One
could attach an RV style awning to the side of a 109 and just pull it out.

I am currently converting my 109 to a long distance expedition Land Rover
utilizing the pop-up top and cabinets from a wrecked Dormobile.

I have two underseat petrol tanks plus a rear tank for a total of 44 US
gallons of petrol.  
I have the 5 gal propane tank under the side bench on the right side and will
have a water container under the left side bench.  On the right side going
from the back of the right front seat to the rear, there is the tall
Dormobile wardrobe, a NorCold chest refrigerator/freezer which doubles as a
table, then a single side facing fold down jump seat.  On the left side from
the back of the left front seat rearwards, a three shelf tall cabinet, a sink
then the Dormobile two burner/sink cabinet.  This gives me a sink for washing
and one for rinsing.  I will be adding a roof rack for the front of the roof
forward of the pop-up top.  I am installing a deep cycle battery in the right
rear tool box. to provide power for the refrigerator.  Since the deep cycle
battery requires a slow charging cycle, I have added a mains connector at the
rear of the car.  At the right rear behind the tool box containing the deep
cycle battery, i have added a connector from a military Land Rover that was
used to provide power for a communications trailer.  The screw on cap
waterproofs the internal connector space which is the correct size for a male
power receptacle.  This allows me to connect the deep cycle battery to a
mains connection whenever available.

Another modification I have done is squared off the rear cross member by
adding a wedge shaped metal channel.  This gives me space to add the military
rear bumperettes for increased rear protection, and a small 'U' channel at
each end as a rear corner jack point for a high lift jack.  Otherwise its
almost impossible to use a high lift jack in the rear without lifting the
whole rear of the car unbalanced so it would fall off the jack to the side.

A rear petrol tank can be easily added to a 109 two door by modifying the
lower part of the second to rear cross member, routing the exhaust to the 109
five door configuration, and using the filler fittings from a series III high
capacity pickup.  I can provide details upon request.

I have also converted the car to 1984 109 dual power brakes.  I can provide
details upon request.

TeriAnn

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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 19:56:42 -0600
From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net>
Subject: RR power seat

Help! Dearest just borrowed the '88 Range Rover and moved up the seat to 
accommodate her 5'0" frame. When I tried to climb in, there was no 
response to the seat switch. The seat tilt/angle still works but I can't 
get the seat distance back far enough to even climb behind the wheel. 
There is no response at all when moving the seat distance switch to the 
rear position. When moved forward, there is a slight clicking sound.
 What has failed, the switch or the motor, or is it possibly a fuse? Is 
there a way to manually move the seat back far enough to drive it until 
a repair can be made?

Shaun Carrigan

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:13:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Brake problems.

Tom Rowe writes:
For clamps I use small needle nose Vice-Grips with the teeth ground 
off ( I have a set of three just for this purpose).

Another alternative to grinding down needle-nose visegrip teeth is to contact
a local hospital and ask if they have old bowel clamps they're going to
discard.  Try to get them to take your name if they have none.  Bowel clamps
are designed to clamp across segments of bowel, preventing all contents from
flowing through without damaging the bowel wall.  If surgery doesn't seem
interested, talk to anatomic pathology (autopsy service) as they use them
there as well.  

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD 21020 
NADdMD@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:12:39 GMT
From: Peter Collingridge <peter@pcolling.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Buying a Land-Rover

Hi,

Thanks to the person who re-posted my query from the rec.autos.4x4 about
buying a Land-Rover in the UK. I found this list server at about the
same time.

To recap, I am looking at spending about 2000 pounds on a series II or III
Land-Rover. I want a petrol SWB -  2 1/4 is OK, but a V8 is preferable (it
will not do large mileages).

The feedback so far has been useful, but if anyone could give me any more 
guidance, then it would be gratefully received.

I am quite tempted by a Stage I, but am not sure if they came in SWB form, 
or how frequently they come up for sale, or whether they fall within my 
price range.

Anyway, any advice gratefully received.

Thanks,

Pete

-- 
Peter Collingridge

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:52:58 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Load space protector

John asks...

>Speaking of load space protectors, does anyone know where to get that
>wonderful spider-web like bunji cord thingee that I saw in the Defender90
>video?  The one where the dad is covering all the coolers and sleeping bags
>to keep them in place during all that fording and tree climbing they did?
-

I haven't seen the video, but I've got a spider-web bunji cord thingee that
I use to secure the load on my VW Westfalia luggage rack. I think I bought
it at K-Mart. Works great in the IIa, too.

Cheers
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:53:34 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Timing

>From Graeme and Ian....

>>I suspect my timing but as of yet don't have a crank to turn the
>>engine by hand. Is there any other way of adjusting the timing?
.........
>I don't know off hand, but I am sure that there must be another way of
>turning th engine over. However, you can do the dynamic timing if you
>have access to a timing lamp
-

A couple of ways to turn the engine by hand...

For the gorillas in the crowd, put the truck in first gear and push it until
the points ride up on the distributer cam lobe. (Grunt!)

For the rest of us... Make sure you know where the spark plug wires attach
to the distributer cap! Then, unscrew the spark plugs, remove them if you
want. Put the transmission in neutral and you should be able to easily turn
the engine by turning the fan (assuming the fan belt is adjusted properly).
Nice advantage with this is you can eyeball the distributer while moving the
fan.

Cheers
    
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue
                     #:-}>

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From: JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 21:53:00 -0500
Subject: Series Rim questions

Greetings,

It is time again, to ask advice.

I recently acquired two new additions to the family. (both basket cases)
A 1970 Series IIA 88", and a 1967 109" 5 door wagon.  Both vehicles are
equipped with 16" rims.  The 65,000 dollar question:  Can these rims be
used with tubeless tires?  I have seen tubeless tires on Series rims in
the past, but thought I would ask advice of the all-knowing.  (yeah, I
mean you folks)

The rims would be stripped, dipped, and given a fresh coat of limestone
paint.  My plans would be to air down to 10-15 psi for the trail.

Jim Cirbus
Sunbury OH

'94 D-90  #730
'70 Ser IIA 88"
'67 Ser IIA 109"  NADA 6

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:21:54 -0500
Subject: Cranks (was Re: Timing)

> Graeme wrote:-
> >I suspect my timing but as of yet don't have a crank to turn the
> >engine by hand. Is there any other way of adjusting the timing?

Speaking of cranks which LR's can be started with a hand operated 
crank? 

Another Disco owner returned my wave today - second one this year. 
Must be the 50 cm of snow that fell in the past 2 days.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:21:54 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 seats

On  9 Jan 96 at 16:31, TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com wrote:
. . . .
> I would even be happy to trade a slightly used set
> of series front seats upholstered in early Duct tape.

Is that the pure, imported, Corinthian Duct tape?

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Cranks
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:50:26 +1030 (CST)

Gerald asks: 
> Speaking of cranks which LR's can be started with a hand operated 
> crank? 

Well the stage 1 V8 has provision for crank starting but getting it started
is another matter....  I have 2 bent crank handles waiting to be straightened
and reinforced, then I might try again.. Dont seem to be able to get it
spinning fast enough to catch, any suggestions.
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)
 

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:00:54 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: RR power seat

On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Shaun Carrigan wrote:

> Help! Dearest just borrowed the '88 Range Rover and moved up the seat to 
> accommodate her 5'0" frame. When I tried to climb in, there was no 
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> there a way to manually move the seat back far enough to drive it until 
> a repair can be made?

Hmm, it must be the season or something.  I just had the same experience, 
except in reverse.  My seat will go back, but not forward.  This means 
that my wife can't drive the RR, and it's her daily driver.  (On the 
otherhand, it means that I get to use it everyday; not a bad deal...  I 
think I'd better get it fixed anyway).   The strange thing is that both 
seats are doing the same thing.  Could there be a common cause?

I'm thinking about opening up the switch boxes and spraying in some
solvent to clean the contacts since several people have mentioned the need
to clean them early and often.  I did ford a couple of streams up to 15
inches deep or so on Saturday, so I've been hoping that maybe there is a
short in the system somewhere that will self-correct when it dries out. 
It's been four days, though, and I'm beginning to loose faith in the
passive approach to Land Rover repair.  Any ideas on a more proactive
approach? 

Walt          * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:16:04 -1000 (HST)
From: Pat Guerin <pat@pixi.com>
Subject: Re: D90 locking gas cap

yup...i'm guilty of the same...as a matter of fact I went back and could 
not find it anywhere.  I guess it grew legs and walked away. Total damage 
$12.90 +tax.  With the enormous savings I'm not going to pickup the SW.  

	1.  I would probably ruin the carpet.
	2.  I love my D90 as is.
	3.  The $$$ loss would kill me.

p.s.  I feel sorry for you guysin the cold but it got cold here also.  
Just the other night it got down to 68 F.  Burrr I had to use an extra 
comforter.  Gee I also had to wear a sweater....hahaha

p.s.s. My seat track is on order and will be replaced shortly.  

aloha from hawaii, Pat   94 D90

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:50:49 -0800
Subject: Re: Cranks

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Cranks
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:50:26 +1030 (CST)

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Gerald asks: 
> Speaking of cranks which LR's can be started with a hand operated 
> crank? 
Well the stage 1 V8 has provision for crank starting but getting it started
is another matter....  I have 2 bent crank handles waiting to be straightened
and reinforced, then I might try again.. Dont seem to be able to get it
spinning fast enough to catch, any suggestions.
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)
 

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