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1 | Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar | 35 | Re: Any reason? |
2 | Mike Dryfoos [mikedr@mic | 23 | 8:1 compression and D90 hard tops |
3 | "T.F. Mills" [tomills@du | 26 | Re: colorado event |
4 | "Steve Reddock" [steve_r | 31 | Speedos, brakes (sort of) & wierd submissions |
5 | Harrington Andrew Richar | 15 | brake problem again |
6 | crash@merl.com | 18 | Disco won't start |
7 | "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE | 27 | Re: Range Rovers off road |
8 | Stuart Williams [STUARTW | 26 | The Better Half (more ways than one) ... |
9 | "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE | 34 | Re: Discovery Ground Clearance |
10 | "John Y. Liu" [johnliu@e | 51 | Re: Newbie to the group |
11 | Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D | 12 | Frame Overs |
12 | Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D | 38 | Small World |
13 | "barnett childress" [bar | 17 | re:Re: Bimini top all season, D90 |
14 | "barnett childress" [bar | 11 | re:D90 Seats |
15 | "barnett childress" [bar | 18 | re:EMU shocks/springs/DISCO's/D90's |
16 | "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove | 55 | RE: Off Road Adventure (s) |
17 | PurnellJE@aol.com | 19 | Re: Load space protector |
18 | "barnett childress" [bar | 40 | ARB diff problem resolved! |
19 | russ burns [burns@cisco. | 18 | RE: Discovery-Stuck in the Snow |
20 | "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove | 56 | Small World running out of gas |
21 | Christopher Boese [cboes | 23 | Re: Axle guards |
22 | PurnellJE@aol.com | 17 | Re: 8:1 compression and D90 hard tops |
23 | PurnellJE@aol.com | 24 | Re: Bimini top all season, D90 |
24 | PurnellJE@aol.com | 15 | Re: Yahoo!-I got stuck! |
25 | ericz@cloud9.net | 34 | Re: Discovery Ground Clearance |
26 | rsj@ny.ox.com (Rick Jaff | 27 | Disco won't start in cold weather |
27 | "barnett childress" [bar | 14 | re:Re: Bimini top all season, D90 |
28 | [Chris_Browne@us014-bost | 32 | Freezing door locks |
29 | "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove | 37 | Disco Owner |
30 | chrisste@clark.net (Chri | 21 | Tire Chains |
31 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 156 | motdet09.html (fwd) |
32 | "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove | 9 | Tyres for RR |
33 | sstricklin@pace.atl.ga.u | 14 | Dealer Prices |
34 | "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove | 9 | Hi lift jack |
35 | [Chris_Browne@us014-bost | 30 | freezing discovery |
36 | ericz@cloud9.net | 41 | Re: Discovery Ground Clearance |
37 | "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove | 8 | Dave Bobeck e-mail me |
38 | "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE | 18 | Re: Tire Chains |
39 | Hugo Madden [madhugo@bes | 57 | [not specified] |
40 | maddeng@Apple.com (gary | 40 | Re: D90 seats |
41 | Benjamin Allan Smith [be | 24 | [not specified] |
42 | "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa | 27 | Re: Tyres for RR |
43 | David Rosenbaum [rosenba | 25 | re:D90 rattles |
44 | nosirrah@kentnet.co.uk ( | 19 | Special Insurance |
45 | Bennett Leeds [bennett@m | 23 | Re: Differentials |
46 | "Gerald" [g@ix.netcom.co | 19 | Re: freezing discovery |
47 | i.mitchell@ic.ac.uk | 26 | Timing |
48 | Russell Burns [burns@cis | 16 | Re: Hi lift jack |
49 | Russell Burns [burns@cis | 15 | Re: Tyres for RR |
50 | "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove | 17 | RE: Disco Owner |
51 | TONY YATES [tonyy@BoM.G | 52 | Re: Parts commonality |
52 | TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co | 13 | Re: Re re re re re differentials |
53 | TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co | 13 | Re: D90 seats |
54 | hhewson@mail.erols.com ( | 26 | One Brahmin Writes |
55 | rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca | 15 | [not specified] |
56 | rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca | 20 | [not specified] |
57 | TWakeman/Apple@eworld.co | 96 | Re: land Rover camping- long |
58 | Shaun Carrigan [shaunc@i | 16 | RR power seat |
59 | NADdMD@aol.com | 22 | Re: Brake problems. |
60 | Peter Collingridge [pete | 30 | Buying a Land-Rover |
61 | landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi | 23 | Re: Load space protector |
62 | landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mi | 34 | Re: Timing |
63 | JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk | 26 | Series Rim questions |
64 | "Gerald" [g@ix.netcom.co | 19 | Cranks (was Re: Timing) |
65 | "Gerald" [g@ix.netcom.co | 16 | Re: D90 seats |
66 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 18 | Re: Cranks |
67 | "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa | 34 | Re: RR power seat |
68 | Pat Guerin [pat@pixi.com | 20 | Re: D90 locking gas cap |
69 | ericz@cloud9.net | 27 | Re: Cranks |
From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:08:57 +0000 Subject: Re: Any reason? On 8 Jan 96, CORD5@aol.com wrote: > don't own a LR, that's too bad. I rise to your challenge... > Once again, are Rovers significantly cheaper in Europe? What does a > D90 or Disco go for? When did Discos start being sold in Europe? Cord > ps - if you don't want to respond to a non lr owner publicly, you can > email me. OK, you have a couple of factors here: spec and driving poition... One of the cheapest places to buy a second hand Land Rover is the UK, but the vehicles are right-hand drive To get the 3.9V8, D90 with integral roll-cage, you must buy in the US - it's a US specific vehicle. Price - varies acording to country & condition.... My advice is to avoid the mega-hassle of trying to import a non-US vehicle into the US. ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/> Quote of 1995: "The archididascalus is to be rusticated and will cease to be an abecedarian on the 1st of April" ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Dryfoos <mikedr@microsoft.com> Subject: 8:1 compression and D90 hard tops Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 23:37:54 -0800 A couple of comments on recent topics. This fall I had my SIIA 88" ground down to an 8:1 head, in conjunction with installing hardened valve seals and a ring job. I find it makes a noticeable but not dramatic difference in power. I can keep up on the freeway a little better, anyway. On the downside, my local LR guru (Gordon Perrott of Seattle) tells me that I need to burn high-octane fuel. Given the thirst of the IIA, this gets pretty expensive - just like the Range Rover! I dropped by the local LR dealer this weekend to see if they had any D90 SW to examine. They had presold the three that they had, and couldn't get any more. They did have a D90 with fiberglass hard top that someone had traded in after owning for a week (!). This being Seattle, it was raining, and it was amusing to see that the front seats were getting dripped on through the top door seals just as badly as in my SIIA. That's one D90 that is upholding the true LR heritage, I guess. ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu> Subject: Re: colorado event Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 01:40:38 -0700 (MST) Tom Rowe asks: Awhile back someone posted tentative info about a LR gathering in Colorado this summer. When and where is it? I didn't save what was posted. I'd like to try to make this year. It's the National Rally (you too can have one in your backyard and call it "national"), tentatively scheduled for Aug. 8-14 in the environs of Crested Butte, Colorado. No other details yet. Last time we were in the area, rally included a stop-off in Aspen, Land Rover capital of the US. It's plushmobileville. I was there at Christmas and saw 2 or 3 RRs on every block, including several 4.6. It's great fun showing off a decrepit old Series vehicle in that town -- something akin to Lawrence of Arabia driving straight out of the desert into Buckingham Palace. In fact, people kept yelling "Hey, Lawrence!" at me. T. F. Mills tomills@du.edu University of Denver Library http://www.du.edu/~tomills Denver CO 80208 USA ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 05:31:59 EST From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com> Subject: Speedos, brakes (sort of) & wierd submissions HI all, First of all I have 15 inch wheels and a 16" LWB (I do not mean the wheel base is 16"!!!). The total diameter of the tyre is similar to a 750, hence the speedo is accurate. The tyres where 31x10.5x15. Now my tyres are 30x9.5x15 which by my maths is a difference in diameter of 3.3% so the speedo and odometer over read by 3.3%. Big deal you are allowed 10%. Andy wibbled: >odd hole & dents, cheers Steve. As I said at the time I was giving it a Land Rover polish. Also the trees looked softer than the dry stone wall on the other side! If anybody has been confused by my submissions in the last few days it is entirely due to mental failure on my part, I have been replying to threads on the uk-lro list but sending the reply to this list. Normal service may resume soon. Have fun, Steve Steve Reddock Product Evaluation, 26/12 Xyratex Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450 Int.721-4450 REDDOCK at HVTVM Internet: Steve_Reddock@UK.XYRATEX.COM ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:14:03 GMT From: Harrington Andrew Richard (eb2_95) <harrinar@ee.port.ac.uk> Subject: brake problem again Dear Dixon The problem is trying to keep the presure. I am not losing fluid at all. After the second press of the brakes the presure is back, but then goes again, so I can drive it but I have to press the brakes twice to get any presure. I have also tryed adjusting the shoe distance. Cheers, Andy Harrington. ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: crash@merl.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:06:33 -0500 Subject: Disco won't start I've seen this. The trick is that the new Discos lock out the starter motor when the pendant is used to lock the car and a key is used to unlock it, or something like that. Close the car up, and lock/unlock it with the pendant a few times. Then get in, put it in neutral, push down both the clutch and the brake, and try starting it. It worked for at least one. -Bill ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:36:19 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Range Rovers off road Simon Barclay writes: snip > Then in 1973 British Army Officers (amongst others) using Range Rovers were > the first to cross the hither to uncrossed by wheeled vehicle Darian Isthmus > (also part of the Pan American Highway). Though I do recall that Series > LR's were also used to cut trails!! An old 88 was airlifted in when the RR's couldn't cut it, but, Actually a Jeep PU and Land Rover 109 5 door crossed it in the late 50's. There's an article in a 1959? Natioanal Geographic. I have the issue at home, but I'm sure someone on the list knows the month & year by memory. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Stuart Williams <STUARTW@po1.net.cho.ge.com> Subject: The Better Half (more ways than one) ... Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 09:54:00 EST > Duncan > PS Hey Stuart, I'll come pick you up for work tomorrow if your wife > insists it's her turn for the Disco, heh heh heh... Sigh. They even mention snow around here and my wife grabs the Disco keys, leaving me with the old LandBruiser. True, it's a capable machine but not quite on the same level of sophistication what with its manual choke, manual hubs, manual transmission, etc. Heck, I might as well be driving a Series vehicle ! ;^). Actually, I think that I'll be seriously in the market for a used Rangie (i.e. something that my wife will drive) to replace the LC sometime before the next "storm of the century", and those seem to be coming just about every year. Maybe this summer. Anybody see the footage from New York City on NBC last night? One of the video clips clearly showed a white D-90 as just about the only traffic coming down one of the main avenues ... Stuart (digging out from under 24" of powder) Williams '95 Discovery V8i '85 LandCruiser ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:31:30 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Discovery Ground Clearance Roger Peng writes: " If you take a look at a typical U.S. 4WD magazine, almost every truck featured has a lift and large tires." That's why I don't buy those rags anymore. Got tired of the glorification of $50,000-$250,000 dollar rigs that were just for show. and " Due to limited wheelwell space, I don't think it would be easy to fit larger tires on a Discovery, nor do I know of any lift kits made for this vehicle. Would anyone care to comment regarding this issue?" Land Rover has always emphasized their vehicles as being able to attain a high side angle without rollover. Every inch you add to height raises your likelyhood of rolling over. Now, I've never looked at a Discovery up close so I can't comment on larger tires, but I'd be supprised if someone in the UK didn't make a kit to allow at least a little larger tires. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 06:29:18 -0800 From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Newbie to the group At 03:42 PM 1/7/96 -0900, you wrote: >My main questions are: >2)I've been looking at all the bookstores, but NOBODY carries LR Books. Could >the group recommend a good text or two to get me started. I can always order if >I know what books are best. James Taylor's book is good. You can order from British Pacific, 800 554 4133. >3) As to vehicle choice, I'm leaning towards something in an ex-mod type >vehicle. I tend towards the lightweight diesel type, but a ex-mod LWB diesel >would be ok too. I prefer diesel, better life, fuel economy and easier to get >into the country. Also less to go wrong, ie plugs, points, condenser, much >simpler, electically and mechanically. I don't have a diesel, so this is not wholly authoritative advice, but I believe diesels are remarkably gutless on the road. Even a petrol is quite unmotivated on the highway, especially in a LWB. I was under the impression diesels present problems in very cold weather but you'd know more about that than I. LR diesels are not reputed to be as long-lived as LR petrol engines. And the petrol ignition system is about as simple and troublefree as you could imagine. Once it's in good shape, you shouldn't expect much to go wrong. Overall, unless you want maximum power on the road (go petrol), or expect to do a lot of deep wading (go diesel), I'd think you should get the truck in the best condition and not worry too much about the diesel/petrol choice. >4)Why ex mod? Several reasons actually, the first being price, I've seen prices >for ex-mod vehicles that appear VERY reasonable. Second, I belong to the Alaska >State Defense Force, (state equivalent of the Alaska National Guard) and we have >outings for training and also several combined gun/vehicle shows per year. This >vehicle would alternate with my Ford Bronco as a daily driver and kind of rough >and ready show vehicle. Most any LR is a very rough and ready vehicle anway. I don't think the ex-MOD's would be any more so. I'd avoid the 24 volt systems. Welcome to the list! Good luck finding your LR. 73, KE6GPF. ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Frame Overs Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 08:31:00 EST Regarding the methods and time for frame overs. A group of mad mechanics from TARC did a frame over on a SIII during a weekend. If Alistair Lowe is lurking out there he may be able to pry some details from Dave and post them to the digest. Trevor Easton, Grimsby, Ontario ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Small World Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 08:39:00 EST In message <199601090450.XAA05336@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote: ] Towards the end of the day ] they pulled into the event area which was well off the road..AND the next day ] at the airport rally site where I had to drive over the grass to the display ] area (snip) ] And ] Yes I did run out of gas on the way to Maine last year .. and it was Mark ] Talbot who saved me... Now that's all quite odd. I was the SIII 88" that stopped right after Mark left to get gas. The Rover world is quite small. Ben ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- - Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake And just before you all went on your way again, Mary and I in Miss Golightly along with Jim Dolan from Vermont in his SIIA also stopped to see if assistance was needed. Then we all convoyed through South Thomaston. Small world indeed. Trevor Easton ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 7:24:37 EST From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re:Re: Bimini top all season, D90 John, I have a garage at home and there is a garage at work to park in also. As long as the vehicle was moving, and the door tops were on, I didn't get much water in the cabin. I even drove to and fro in some really nasty dounpours on the turnpike when I got caught in the rain and it wasn't bad as long as I stayed under 70MPH! Cheers, Soon to have the full cage, rear seats, and surry top! Barnett. 95 D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 8:08:58 EST From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re:D90 Seats John, My passenger seat rattled constantly also, only when no one was seated in it. The dealer tracked it to a faulty seat bracket and replaced it. Cheers, Barnett ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 7:06:09 EST From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re:EMU shocks/springs/DISCO's/D90's Tom, I have OME suspensionon my D90. Ride is actually better than stock. Extra long travel gas shocks have better control and let wheels hang down further. Extra wheel travel gained on the D90 was 2 to 2.5". The vehicle was raised about 1 to 1.5". Also the springs seem to move more freely and have more coils than stock. I've been happy with it. Good luck, Barnett 95 D90. ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 15:42:23 UT From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> Subject: RE: Off Road Adventure (s) Steve, No you are claiming that the museum piece has been off-road 5 TIMES !!!!!! Come on. Putting those pristine wheels on grass doesn't constitute off-roading. What you did in October is off-roading, mud flying everywhere, water over the hood, rocks and almost tipping over. Now that is off-roading !!!!!! Oh yes, running out of gas is considered a pre-requisite for Land Rover ownership. Mark ---------- From: ASFCO@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 08, 1996 11:50 PM Subject: Off Road Adventure (s) To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net All; Just wanted to clarify what Mark Talbot said regarding my ONE off road experience...It has actually been FIVE.... once in the woods at the end of the street for a photo...once in Maine at last years rally. I was with Mark at the Saturday off road event with his Series lll while our wives were in my s lll in Camden on a shopping spree. Towards the end of the day they pulled into the event area which was well off the road..AND the next day at the airport rally site where I had to drive over the grass to the display area...................................... and once at Ray and Heather Dixons infamous Rocky Road tour in NH where thanks to Ray I did manage to get that Rover of mine very dirty,. even had a small tree growing out of the spare tire on the bonnet thanks to Marks dad Trevor who was visiting from the UK and was along for the ride. OK thats FOUR...... well....FIVE if you count jumping a curb and climbing a small hill to get to Ray and Heathers house for the BBQ....BTW couldn't make it up the hill ..my tires are like bologna skins...... had to go around the corner and use the driveway. And Yes I did run out of gas on the way to Maine last year .. and it was Mark Talbot who saved me... Thanks Mark you're a good friend and a True L-R fanatic !!!!! Regards To All Steve WA2GMC 72 s lll 88 ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:46:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Load space protector In a message dated 96-01-08 21:12:21 EST, you write: >Anyone know where ABP gets their supply of RR load space protectors. It's the >plastic sheet that fits over the rear cargo area. I'm sure they are cheaper >back home in the UK. Speaking of load space protectors, does anyone know where to get that wonderful spider-web like bunji cord thingee that I saw in the Defender90 video? The one where the dad is covering all the coolers and sleeping bags to keep them in place during all that fording and tree climbing they did? JOhn. ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 12:12:01 EST From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: ARB diff problem resolved! Hello all! A while back I posted a note on a problem/noise I was having after Rovers North had installed Air lockers in the front and rear diffs on my D90. The rear locker started making a grinding noise. All seemed fine when we took our initial test drive but after several weeks the back diff became very noisy. RN came and got my LR with a flatbed from LRMW in MA. back on 12/16/95. Holidays, bad weather, and the most knowledgeable person at ARB being on vacation for a week really slowed things up, but I'm finally getting my D90 back tomorrow. Upon inspection RN found the spacer behind one of the side gears completely worn away! The ARB diff is much wider than the stock LR diff. After talking to ARB several times and taking some measurements they found my axle was at the long side of it's tolerance, this was putting pressure on the diff. There was enough play in the original setup so I never had a problem. The solution was to mill 2/1000ths from the side gear and fabricate a 1/8th inch spacer to keep the axle from seating in so far. RN has never seen this problem before. I'm just lucky that way! P.S. RN is also returning my D90 to the dealer. Plus they are covering the cost of my rental. They are truly great to deal with. If something unexpected comes up, as it did for me, I can honestly say they truly stand behind their work. Can't wait to finally go play in all this snow! Barnett Soon to have no more Rover withdrawal Childress Sturbridge, MASS. ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:12:23 -0800 From: russ burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: RE: Discovery-Stuck in the Snow Ya, I tried it in my pond. I mentioned that it is hard on the Truck. but it might get you out of a jam. Russ Burns At 11:11 PM 1/8/96 -0800, Robert Watson (CNA) wrote: >Have you tried this method? Does it stink (from burning brakes & revving >engine)? [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)] >quit, and start shoveling. >Russ Burns Russ Burns cisco/Ford 313-317-0451 ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 16:39:01 UT From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> Subject: Small World running out of gas Actually, there was quite a gang of Land Rovers when Steve Bradke ran out of gas. I remember about 5-6 either stopped or came by. That event has now been etched in history as I taped Steve pouring gas into the "museum piece". My son now refers to him as "Steve runs out of gas". I will NEVER let him (Steve) forget it ! ---------- From: Easton Trevor Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 1996 8:39 AM Subject: Small World To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net In message <199601090450.XAA05336@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote: ] Towards the end of the day ] they pulled into the event area which was well off the road..AND the next day ] at the airport rally site where I had to drive over the grass to the display ] area (snip) ] And ] Yes I did run out of gas on the way to Maine last year .. and it was Mark ] Talbot who saved me... Now that's all quite odd. I was the SIII 88" that stopped right after Mark left to get gas. The Rover world is quite small. Ben ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- - Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake And just before you all went on your way again, Mary and I in Miss Golightly along with Jim Dolan from Vermont in his SIIA also stopped to see if assistance was needed. Then we all convoyed through South Thomaston. Small world indeed. Trevor Easton ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 08:37:22 -0800 From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us> Subject: Re: Axle guards Mark Talbot wrote: > Anyone used, bought diff / axle guards for a RR or Disco ? If so where did you > get them. I have looked at the southdown products, and they seem okay. > Any ideas ? I saw a diff guard for the Discovery at the Mission Viejo Land Rover Centre just before Christmas. It was just a heavy steel cup that fit around the prop shaft and clamped down with a single bolt. They were selling them for, I think, $85. There was only one guard left, so I passed on it, but when I find a pair I'll buy two. I think anyone could install these diff guards with no special tools. -- Christopher Boese County of San Bernardino, California Information Services, Information Systems Security Office '95 beluga black Discovery V8i ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:35:23 -0500 Subject: Re: 8:1 compression and D90 hard tops In a message dated 96-01-09 03:42:50 EST, you write: > it was raining, and it >was amusing to see that the front seats were getting dripped on through the >top door seals just as badly as in my SIIA. That's one D90 that is >upholding the true LR heritage, I guess. ... and mine makes two. Go Land Rover! John 94 D90, Dr. Leaky ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:35:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Bimini top all season, D90 In a message dated 96-01-09 10:50:24 EST, you write: >John, >I have a garage at home and there is a garage at work to park in also. As [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)] >Barnett. >95 D90 Thanks Barnett. It's good to know that I won't have to worry about every little rain in the upcoming season. And I do have the full cage and surrey,so we'll see how that works. Have you found that the front seats can get soaked and then dried off quickly, eg, with a towel, or does the foam padding inside actually get soaked and take a while to dry? I don't mind going off-roading or grocery shopping with a drenched derrier, but to work is a different matter. JOhn. 94 D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:35:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Yahoo!-I got stuck! In a message dated 96-01-09 02:24:16 EST, you write: > I broke almost every off-roading/snow driving rule, but man did we make >some memories! which ones? i need to be prepared if it ever snows here again. . . thanks John, N9EJC 94 D90, Wisconsin. ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:00:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Discovery Ground Clearance <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> From: ericz@cloud9.net Subject: Re: Discovery Ground Clearance On Mon, 8 Jan 96, rpeng@cadev6.intel.com wrote: >One thing that strikes me about the Discovery is that it >rides on rather small tires. The ground clearance doesn't [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] >If you take a look at a typical U.S. 4WD magazine, almost >every truck featured has a lift and large tires. Witness the "mine is bigger than yours" mentality of US off-roading. If you want to go crazy about lifting vehicles and putting big tires underneath it, sell your disco and buy a Jeep. The mentality of big tires and big lifts promoted by the 4x4 magazines is just about the most disgusting thing I can think of (worse than buying a Jeep). It encourages large amounts of wheel spin and the practice of spewing trail over 200 yards of countryside. Land Rovers get through with a greater deal of 'finesse', preserving the trail (so we can go play there again) and preserving the driveline. Ask one of the big lift people how many U-joints he's gone through someday. Watch a Camel Trophy video to see how it should be done. One of the larger reasons I'm a LR enthusiast is that I don't get associated with the bigger is better crowd. Don't be fooled by what's in the magazines. Eric <---- End Forwarded Message ----> ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 13:01 EST From: rsj@ny.ox.com (Rick Jaffe) Subject: Disco won't start in cold weather On 8 Jan 96, Rick Jaffe wrote: > My Disco has since Saturday failed to start. The battery is still > okay, but the engine won't turn over. [...] Help. Thanks for your comments. On Monday night, after three important days without my Disco, I received my answer: 1. Hook up jumper cables to another battery. 2. Say something nice to your starter motor because it may be the last time you see it alive. 3. Close the owner's manual because you won't *want* to know what it says about step #4. 4. Crank the starter for up to two minutes while vigorously and continuously pumping the accelerator. The tow truck driver "knew" this would work because he had just successfully completed the procedure on another Disco. (And I live in a small town!) All in all, for the Blizzard of '96 I can only give the Disco a very disappointing "incomplete". Rick rsj@ox.com '95 Disco, Gassandra ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 13:09:05 EST From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re:Re: Bimini top all season, D90 John, I've never had the seats totally drenched, but when they have gotten wet they do towel dry. The seat cover material what ever it is seems to be fairly water resistant. Translation = (My ass stays dry!). Cheers, Barnett ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 09 Jan 96 13:14:22 EST From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com> Subject: Freezing door locks ---------------------------- Forwarded with Changes --------------------------- From: Chris Browne at US014-BOSTON-MINET Date: 1/9/96 9:40AM Receipt Requested Subject: Freezing door locks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ============== Begin part 2 ========================== Sent this meesage to a fellow lister ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Freezing door locks Author: Chris Browne at US014-BOSTON-MINET Date: 1/9/96 9:40 AM I broke an ignition key to my disco 3 miles from home while trying to fill up at the gas station one day last winter. nice walk home with several feet of snow to get the spare key and drive back to the car. finally figured out that the lock for the fuel door wasn't frozen but the barrel that the lock was in wouldn't allow the lock to turn. several sprays of wd 40 has loosen up the lock/barrel so it works. i guess that the wd 40 pushes out all the crud that accumulates over time ============== End part 2 ============================ ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 18:21:06 UT From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> Subject: Disco Owner After coming to the defense of all Land Rover owners, I have to pass this on to you all. When the Discos first came out, my neighbour went and got one, fine, he wanted a good 4x4 for the NH weather/winters, he's had it about 18 months now, his wife drives it. Today I was out clearing snow, AGAIN !!!! who should drive by but said couple in Disco, now I live in the middle of NOWHERE !!! And what with my 2 RR's and 2 Series vehicles, we have 5 in the space of 1/2 mile. Anyway, we have just got another RR, a 91, so they stopped to ask that they thought they saw us driving a green RR, did we have another ? Yes, got it Saturday. "Oh" came the reply. "So now you have two Range Rovers and two Land Rovers" ? "Who makes those Range Rovers ? " I couldn't believe it. So I pointed to the badge on the Front of the RR and then on their Disco and said "I wonder !!!!" He stood there and said, "Land Rover makes Range Rovers as well !!!!! I didn't know that" . I told him that the 109 was also made by them. "NO" he said, "but they are really old !!!!" Then I began to explain that the Disco is built on the old RR Classic chassis and shares a lot of the same parts, front doors, basically the entire running gear and chassis. He just wouldn't have it, "Mine is a DISCOVERY" he said proudly. "Yep, it is, its a cheaper Range Rover I replied back, thats fills the cap in the product line from the Defender to the RR, all created by the SUV market going crazy". Then came, "What's a Defender". I just gave up. They then had enough, said good bye and off they went. I'm not saying that RR's are better vehicles etc, all have their own strengths, RR's just suit my needs. ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:28:06 -0500 (EST) From: chrisste@clark.net (Chris Stevens) Subject: Tire Chains I know this is an old subject for the digest, but does it do any good to put chains all round...all four wheels. In a panic, I went out this am and bought a pair for the rear tires of the SIIa ( I almost got stuck in the 28 inches of snow we had here yesterday). Could have been embarrasing. Chris _________________________________ |BCG Corporate Communications | |Baltimore, Maryland 21204 | [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] |(410) 583-1935 (FAX) | |chrisste@Clark.net | ================================= | 1969 SRIIa 2.25L SW | ================================= ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:39:59 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: motdet09.html (fwd) Electronic Telegraph Tuesday 9 January 1996 Motoring [Motoring] Ground breakers Eric Bailey in Detroit reviews the annual showcase of American design and innovation and assesses the impact of the new Mercedes AAV - a 4x4 pitched against the Range Rover and Discovery DETROIT in January looks bad from the air: a sectioned metropolis of grey roofs, grey trees, grey streets; only the grass is not grey, and that's brown. Out to the north Lake Huron is still and heavy, its inshore waters coloured pewter, its horizon dormant with ice. On the ground it's not much better. By Wednesday of this week - the first day of the North American International Automobile Show - snow as fine as talcum had dusted the streets and closed the schools. There was good news on the weather though: it was only going to be five degrees below. In Detroit in January, that's tropical. Downtown the city is empty and dangerous: those who could afford to get out got out long ago, fleeing to the suburbs and leaving a vacuum of empty lots, mugging arenas and tenements full of perpetrators. We're in the city centre, but here, warns our driver, you don't go out after dark on foot unless you can run like hell. Only in the financial district, he says, can you walk around after sundown. But two days at the show didn't allow for much risky promenading: the Auto Show, once a parochial affair of interest to dealers and three-shaves-a-day executives, has blossomed into a riveting showcase of American design and innovation, of which there is now plenty. There's a spring in the step and a twinkle in the eye of American auto executives, whose operations have undergone something of a renaissance since the Japanese caught a cold from the exchange rate. The likes of Ford, GM and Chrysler regrouped, reorganised, learned lessons about production and quality and leapt out of the trenches with whole new model ranges: the oldest car in the Chrysler range is now the Dodge Viper, shown only four years ago. GM introduced four new saloons in Detroit; Chrysler and Ford offered some breathtaking concepts: it was enough to make Japanese car makers reach for the hot sake and the karaoke machine. Demand in America has slowed this year; one dealer talked of people "losing the emotion of car buying - they're only buying what they need". But the Americans are buoyed up too by the fact that prestigious European manufacturers have realised that the best place to make cars for America is . . . America. From a British point of view, the AAV was the most important car at the show BMW's Z3 sports car, to be built at a new factory in South Carolina, was there, but the big "reveal" was of Mercedes' AAV - a cross between an estate car and a full-scale off-roader, which was partly designed in California and which will be built in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, at a factory fronted by a sign which reads "Guten Tag Freunde (Hey Neighbour)". Down there, the neighbours work more cheaply than Germans, as they do in South Carolina. From a British point of view, the AAV was the most important car at the show: the Americans get it in late 1997, and we get it in 1998. Mercedes described this as a "work in progress" but it's too late now for substantial revisions, so the basics of what we saw will be what hits American showrooms, priced from the mid-$30,000s; complete guesswork suggests the UK price will start around =A325,000. It looks good, better than it has in gouache 'n' guesswork drawings we've seen. Flared arches, side bumpers and a swooping roofline give it the muscularity required in the 4x4 sector, while the triangular rear light cluster and pared down grille convey the Mercedes styling genes. Its low ride-height - more saloon level than high and mighty offroader - is likely to be a disadvantage on real rough stuff, but will make it easier to get in and out of. The front is terrific, with huge Chinese-eye lights which work so much better than the E-class's grisly stare, and big spotlights mounted in the bumper. The rear is less good - the glass area has awkward complex angles, and the rear door pivots open from the side like the old Frontera's, meaning that a good five feet of space is required behind before opening. But Mercedes still has a bit of fiddling time. The chances are it will fulfil Mercedes' promise of exceptional on-road performance: the separate chassis has been designed specifically for this vehicle, and all-round independent suspension is used. Offroad performance is another matter - but no doubt it will be capable enough for all but the most determined cross country drivers. There will certainly be enough power: engine options will be a 4.3-litre V8 and 2.4-litre V6, both from a new range of power plants being developed, and - for us limp-wristed Europeans - a four-cylinder petrol unit and turbodiesel. At Detroit the AAV was one of the few new cars to elicit a round of applause from the cynical and satiated audience Mercedes say that it will be pitched against the Range Rover and Discovery, but interior space might scupper that theory: though the AAV is wider than the Ford Explorer and has a wheelbase longer than the Jeep Grand Cherokee, it doesn't look as big inside as either. The rear is frankly cramped, and the cargo space modest. The interior of the car we saw can be largely disregarded, tricked out as it was in fancy leather embossed with AAV, chrome gear lever gate and television in the back; it was a styling studio fantasy. But Mercedes interiors are built on old-fashioned functionality, which should suit this vehicle better than the saloons. Mercedes mentioned that it had become a member of the Tread Lightly Organisation, a group which encourages drivers to think before they flatten the countryside - though there is doubt in my mind as to whether this would stop the driver who has just spent $35,000 on a purpose-built countryside flattener. There are other potential annoyances: AAV stands for All Activity Vehicle, and one of the activities available will be to open the back door, twist round the mighty Bose speakers, and fill the bosky glades with ZZ Top. There was a frisson of excitement when the Mercedes PR man announced that a German executive called Andreas Renschler and Michael Jackson were to present the AAV, but Jackson turned out to be executive vice president of sales. There followed a not-very-comical exposition of the Flintstones as the owners of the first "sport utility" and some gimpy banter along the lines of: Andreas: "You know Mike, this vehicle is going to break new ground." Mike: "Oh yeah? Well how can you be so sure?" Andreas: "That's a tough question, Mike. Well I'll tell you . . . " Mike told us there were three reasons for the AAV, but gave us only two: that the sport utility market continues to grow, and that 25 per cent of Mercedes owners already have a sport utility in their garage but would prefer to have a three-pointed star on the front of it. Maybe the third reason is that Mercedes is currently jumping feet first into any niche it identifies: the SLK sports car, the Swatch minicar and the Viano people mover will all be arriving before the end of the decade. At Detroit the AAV was one of the few new cars to elicit a round of applause from the cynical and satiated audience. But it is still two years away. How crowded, how important will the 4x4 market be by then? That's a tough question, Mike. Electronic Telegraph is a Registered Service Mark of The Telegraph plc ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 18:29:07 UT From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> Subject: Tyres for RR Anyone know the largest size tyres that will fit the RR Classic. I was thinking of going to 225/75 ? Mark ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 13:17:27 -400 From: sstricklin@pace.atl.ga.us (Slade Stricklin) Subject: Dealer Prices Does anyone know what percent Land Rover Dealers mark up the prices on Genuine Parts from their price to retail? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sent via ExpressNet/SMTP(tm), Internet Gateway of the Gods! ExpressNet/SMTP (c)1994-95 Delphic Software, Inc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 19:28:05 UT From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> Subject: Hi lift jack Anyone used a hi-lift jack on a RR. Do you have to get a special mounting plate ????? Mark ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 09 Jan 96 13:14:25 EST From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com> Subject: freezing discovery Was in Vermont USA this weekend, and had to leave my child outside in the minus 15 deg temperatures. started in the am quite happily but I could hear a thump thump thump for several seconds until the engine oil made its way around. sounded like the main bearings to me. wheels felt square, auto tranny really didn't want to change, drove slowly for the first few minutes until everything loosened up. Can anyone in Canada tell us folks about the LR block heater you have as standard up there? where does the plug come out, where does it plug in etc heater in the discovery is fabulous even at these temps. washer bottle froze solid had to pick up snow to clear the screen every so often damm nuisance if you ask me!! (thats a joke) Only casualty from the weekend was a center cap from one of my alloy wheels fell off. ordered another one from the dealer. does this count as a dinky problem? anyone else suffered this terrible fate? should I have called for road side assistance? should I write to LRNA and complain? Regards Chris browne If they didn't plough all the snow life would be wonderful ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:49:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Discovery Ground Clearance <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> From: ericz@cloud9.net Subject: Re: Discovery Ground Clearance <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> From: ericz@cloud9.net Subject: Re: Discovery Ground Clearance On Mon, 8 Jan 96, rpeng@cadev6.intel.com wrote: >One thing that strikes me about the Discovery is that it >rides on rather small tires. The ground clearance doesn't [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] >If you take a look at a typical U.S. 4WD magazine, almost >every truck featured has a lift and large tires. Witness the "mine is bigger than yours" mentality of US off-roading. If you want to go crazy about lifting vehicles and putting big tires underneath it, sell your disco and buy a Jeep. The mentality of big tires and big lifts promoted by the 4x4 magazines is just about the most disgusting thing I can think of (worse than buying a Jeep). It encourages large amounts of wheel spin and the practice of spewing trail over 200 yards of countryside. Land Rovers get through with a greater deal of 'finesse', preserving the trail (so we can go play there again) and preserving the driveline. Ask one of the big lift people how many U-joints he's gone through someday. Watch a Camel Trophy video to see how it should be done. One of the larger reasons I'm a LR enthusiast is that I don't get associated with the bigger is better crowd. Don't be fooled by what's in the magazines. Eric <---- End Forwarded Message ----> <---- End Forwarded Message ----> ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 19:46:14 UT From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> Subject: Dave Bobeck e-mail me Dave Please e-mail me or call, 603-357-3401 ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:00:12 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Tire Chains > I know this is an old subject for the digest, but does it do any good to > put chains all round...all four wheels. In a panic, I went out this am and Yep. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:02:41 -0800 Subject: Re re re re re differentials From: Hugo Madden <madhugo@best.com> >I know I'm going to blow this but whats a center diff??? I know about diffes >on each axle, & transfer case behind the transmission. But Center Diff is a >new one for me. I'm assuming its a newer technology than came on my 109 or >TR3. >Hoping to be enlightened >TeriAnn W-e-l-l, TeriAnn, assuming that you don't mind getting engineering advice from a chemist, sit down and read this. When a four wheeled vehicle turns a corner, the outside wheels have to go further than the inside wheels, as a result the outer half-axle has to spin faster. To avoid serious tire wear and/or early axle breakdown, the differential was invented to allow the inner and outer wheels to rotate at different speeds while still transmitting the same torque to each wheel. For a 4WD, the situation is a tad more complicated. A part-time 4WD vehicle, such as an early LR, has a transfer case that can be shifted into 4WD. In this position, the front and rear driveshafts are both driven at the same speed, there's no differential action at all. Thus if (say) one front wheel is spinning in air, the rear drive shaft is still rotating at the same rpm as the front drive-shaft. In this situation, most of the torque winds up being delivered to the rear drive shaft, which is just what you want to get out from whatever stuck situation you're in. So what's the downside? Well, if you drive your part time 4WD on dry pavement with 4WD selected, there will be additional wear and tear on driveline components and tires. This is because in normal driving the front and rear driveshafts don't want to rotate at the same speed all the time (esp. on tight corners). In the kind of situations where you need the part time 4WD this isn't a concern'cos you're usually in a situation where you've got some tire slippage anyway. But for full-time 4WD vehicles, something has to be done. The solution is to build a diff into the transfer case. The diff now transmits equal torque to the front and rear driveshafts but doesn't require them to rotate at the same speed. This clears up the problem of driveline and tire wear on dry pavement, but means that if one wheel loses traction totally, the torque provided to all four wheels essentially becomes zero. The solution is to make the diff in the t'fer case (centre diff) lockable either manually or by installing some kind of viscous coupling (as in the Rangie) which allows for small differences in rotational speed between the front and rear driveshafts but locks up if the rotational difference becomes too large. if this doesn't make sense, you should try me on the chemistry! Hugo _______ //_/_|__\___ \_ - ___ - _d (o) (o) ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:09:32 -0800 From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden) Subject: Re: D90 seats > JEPurnell@aol.com writes on Mon, 8 Jan 1996 >Subject: D90 seats >Anyone have problems with their seats making noise or falling apart? My >passenger seatback has a squeak that lubricant hasn't fixed, and then >recently, a long thin rod fell out of the back of it. It is the kind of >squeak that could easily drive a human being insane, that kind. I am hoping >that Mr. LR Dealer will see fit to replace it completely. The exact same thing has happened to my seats! My LR dealer said the rod can be reattached and is only an extra wireframe rod (will do so at next servicing). I haven't been able to isolate the squeak on passenger side and usually can't hear it over flapping top/wind/tire noise (but it is noticable with top off and cruising at moderate speeds), so it will have to wait until spring. Has anybody on the list replaced Series or Defender seats with good aftermarket items? Seems like a seat upgrade would be a good investment. Since the factory seats are neither very comfortable nor high quality, what do the severe off-road teams use? I'd like support and comfort for on and off-road. Another interior design flaw is that the locking center counsole on D90s doesn't like water: It got wet and hence the liner warped, the fabric on the lid puckered and now it will not lock. (How am I supposed to hose out the interior?) Still waiting to see what the dealer says on replacing it, but for you serious D90 snorklers and tops-off at all costs owners, the console cover (a pricey Bestop waterproof cover with stretch elastic) may be a good insurance policy. Ambitious owners can easily make their own covers, but an ounce of prevention... Warped and soggy in California Cheers, Gary Madden 94D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Frame Overs Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 12:25:13 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> In message <199601091517.KAA06435@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote: > Regarding the methods and time for frame overs. A group of mad mechanics > from TARC did a frame over on a SIII during a weekend. If Alistair Lowe is > lurking out there he may be able to pry some details from Dave and post them > to the digest. Is Alistair the son of Dave "you can pull a Rover 2.25L engine in 45 minutes using only open ended wrenches (or so he claimed to learn when he pulled Brett Storey's engine 3 times in the same day)" and "101 FC" Lowe from Toronto? Ben, (checking to see how really small the Rover world is) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake "...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 12:22:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Subject: Re: Tyres for RR On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Mark Talbot wrote: > Anyone know the largest size tyres that will fit the RR Classic. I was > thinking of going to 225/75 ? Mark, There's been a lot of discussion about this in the past few months. The bottom line is that you should be OK. I've got 225/85 on my 88 and no problems indicated to date, and yes, it's been off road a few times. Since you won't be taking it out extreme driving conditions (that's what the Series vehicles are for?) you shouldn't be testing the limits of the articulation. I'll send you some comments Stefan Jacob had last summer on the subject. Walt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Walter C. Swain | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us * * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover * * Davis, California | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 13:01:46 -0800 (PST) From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu> Subject: re:D90 rattles On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, barnett childress wrote: > My passenger seat rattled constantly also, only when no one was seated in > it. The dealer tracked it to a faulty seat bracket and replaced it. My D90 has quite a few rattles. Most come and go. Sometimes I think they're coming from the inertial reel seatbelt things. Nothing has fallen off in two years..... Reminds me of the sticker: "If you can read this, you are too darned close." So after listening to the rattle of the day for awhile (to make sure it hasn't changed or gotten *serious*), I just open the window a bit (to get the top flapping a little more) or turn up the radio and happily rover-on. Any time I have tried to reproduce the rattles by jumping around inside or pulling on the safari cage with the engine off and the Land Rover not moving, I can't get any of them to happen.........and I get the feeling that my beloved Land Rover is silently asking me, "What the Hell are you doing, Dave." (I don't even think about what the neighbors must be thinking) -David ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 21:35:30 PST From: nosirrah@kentnet.co.uk (EPJ Harrison) Subject: Special Insurance Recently I heard two seperate people talking of very cheap insurance especially for Ex-MOD vehicles. Does anyone in the UK know anything about this?? Second, I read in LRO magazine about some students who did up a series LR and replaced the fuel guage/ammeter/full beam instrument panel with a rather flashy rev. counter. Anyone know how to do this? Thanks for your help, you can expect more to follow..... Tom Harrison, Maidstone, Kent P.S. Does anyone live near me who subscribes? 19'6something 88" IIA ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 13:40:35 PST From: Bennett Leeds <bennett@mv.us.adobe.com> Subject: Re: Differentials I don't know about off-road use, but limited slip differentials are great on roads. Race cars and serious sports cars almost always have them. A bit more than a decade ago a new design came out: the Torsen-Gleason hypoid bevel gear differential. This design not only wears out much slower, it does a better job. Supposedly Mario Andretti put one in his Indy race car and immediately his top speed went up 2 MPH (a big gain). I've got one in my '66 E-Type (not original equipment). I've also got a limited slip in my RX-7 and 3325is (standard equipment). These are all rear wheel drive cars. The only drawback to them that I'm aware of is cost (when a clutch type limited slip wears out you've got yourself a regular open diff). But again, I don't know if they have drawbacks in 4WD or off-road use. Anyone know what they put in Hummers, for instance? - Bennett Leeds ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:49:30 -0500 Subject: Re: freezing discovery On 9 Jan 96 at 13:14, Chris_Browne@us014-boston-mi wrote: > Was in Vermont USA this weekend, and had to leave my child outside in > the minus 15 deg temperatures. started in the am quite happily but I > could hear a thump thump thump for several seconds until the engine > oil made its way around. sounded like the main bearings to me. Started my Discovery three times this morning with temperature about 17 F/-8 C. The third time I could watch the rpm slowly climb up. I was wondering if only 6 cylinders were firing at first then 7 then 8. -- Gerald g@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: i.mitchell@ic.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 19:16:09 GMT Subject: Timing Hi all Graeme wrote:- >I suspect my timing but as of yet don't have a crank to turn the >engine by hand. Is there any other way of adjusting the timing? I don't know off hand, but I am sure that there must be another way of turning th engine over. However, you can do the dynamic timing if you have access to a timing lamp (Halfords have the basic on in their sale at the moment for about a tenner or so, I think). I bought (Halford's sale again!) one of these see through spark plugs ('colortune' they are called) but haven't managed to use it yet. Anyone else got any experience with them? I have my SWB for more than a year now but still consider myself a beginner! Cheers, Ian. ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: Re: Hi lift jack Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 15:02:02 PST I have a GDE winch on the front which works fine with a HI lift jack. For the rear I use the trailer receptcial (US Range Rover Russ Burns > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net > Anyone used a hi-lift jack on a RR. Do you have to get a special mounting [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > plate ????? > Mark ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: Re: Tyres for RR Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 15:06:39 PST I have 225/75r16 on my classic, and have not had any trouble. It has been off road in Canyon Lands, and Colorado. Russ Burns > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)] > thinking of going to 225/75 ? > Mark ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 21:18:45 UT From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> Subject: RE: Disco Owner Looks like there are two of them !!!!!! ---------- From: John B. Friedman Sent: Saturday, January 09, 1897 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Disco Owner I think I may have met this guy in PA--was he an elderly very unfocused guy with blue or blue grey disco or maybe black and lots of gold chains on? I met such a guy in Ohio at a motel who lived in NH. He did not have a clue about his car--"his son told him to get it." ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 08:12:47 +0800 (WST) From: TONY YATES <tonyy@BoM.GOV.AU> Subject: Re: Parts commonality On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Simon Barclay wrote: > Just thought you might like to know that I counted 72 Land Rover vehicles on > my way to work this morning. This was between 06.45Hrs and about 07.00Hrs [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > ones) a S2A (ex Army) and a couple of '85ish 110's and a newer Defender tray > back. Here in Port Hedland (max temp 40+C at the moment), a town of approx 10000, I have counted: 110 Defender - 1 green hardtop, 1 white trayback(govt) 130 Defender - 1 white 110 (pre Defender) - 4 Red, 1 white, 1 blue, 1 brown. Range Rovers - lots, including 1 very neat ute conversion. Discoverys - several, most of which are well fitted out for off roading. Series vehicles - heaps. Not too many older Toyonissans here, possibly due to the saltworks, plus most off roading is beach/tidal creek stuff. M Scott Fugate wrote: "I still get a disconcerting "bump" from the right front occasionally when I round a corner. This only happens when it is raining, however. Very strange." Strange indeed. I had the same thing, a nasty clunk when cornering, but only when wet! Turned out to be a worn panhard rod bush. One of the more fun jobs I get to do with the State Emergency Service is to rescue people who have got themselves stuck out in the boondocks. Last week I was called out to help this guy who had sunk his Nissan in the coastal salt flats to the east of here. The temp was 40C, he was trying to cross the flats to get to the coast for a spot of fishing, with his wife and kids, and *NO* recovery gear. He was sunk to the chassis in custard like mud and was trying to jack using a small bottle jack. This brings me to my point, one thing we use in the SES in mud like this is sandbags. We jacked him up with a hi-lift (his comment was "those things are pretty good aren't they?"), and put bags under the wheels (full of mud), then just pulled him out. Once the vehicle was sitting on the bags he probably could have driven out. Before SES I had never heard of sandbags as a recovery tool. They are wonderfully simple, cheap, easy to carry, disposable and effective. They may even work in snow. (although I have no experience with that stuff). Cheers. Tony. ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:28:47 -0800 Subject: Re: Re re re re re differentials Thanks for filling me in. I've never paid attention to the insides of the post series cars except for the Defender seats. I had no idea they played games like that to get full time fourwheel drive. Thanks again TeriAnn ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:31:12 -0800 Subject: Re: D90 seats OK guys, If you don't like the D90 seats, I will be happy to purchase them from you at a reasonable used price. I would even be happy to trade a slightly used set of series front seats upholstered in early Duct tape. TeriAnn ;*) ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:33:30 -0500 From: hhewson@mail.erols.com (H. J. Hewson) Subject: One Brahmin Writes Hello all- Couldn't help but submit this beautiful piece from the Tuesday, January 9 Washington Post Style section: "Trudging across the tundra of the suburbs, The Source noticed that a caste system had emerged in the blizzard. There were those on foot, their expensive foreign sedans immobilized. There were those with four-wheel-drive vehicles, smugly peering out their tinted windows, wearing snow-eating grins. And elevated beyond their ordinary statusto the highest caste were Range Rover operators. They can plow through drifts without ever hanging up the car phone. Maybe they're all talking to each other in some Rover Friends and Family network." After a few minutes of pondering this I've come to accept that I am truely a part of the highest caste. If any of you Series, Disco or Defender owners (notice how I lumped you all together) buy me enough beer, I might show you the secret handshake. Time to go rescue some slack-jawed Land Cruiser from a snow drift. Harry '89 Mange Rover (Scratched, dented, and leaking from no fewer than 4 locations!) ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Land Rover toy news From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 95 19:06:29 -0500 Recently steve Bradke posted a note about Hobby Heaven in Michigan and there Range Rovers for sale, no more left, I just bought them!! Rgds Robin -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Lightweight for sale From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Date: Mon, 09 Jan 95 19:07:40 -0500 A friend of mine in Wainright Alberta has the following vehcile for sale but he is netless so I'm posting here on his behalf, nothing more. 1978 Series 3 lightweight ex British Army. Now fitted with hard top, 16" radials and painted marine blue. Has a mdoern(sic) heater w ith balls, has heated winshiled both sides up front, 12volt delco alternator and fully converted to 12volt throughout, currently fitted with winch but does not want to sel winch at present. Vehcile is a daily driver and runs sweetly. Offers $10,000, call Alex Heath at 1 403 842 2955 evenings. -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers ------------------------------[ <- Message 57 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 16:52:02 -0800 Subject: Re: land Rover camping- long Land Rover camping John, Don't forget the pop-up folding tents that fit on Land Rover roofs for above Land Rover camping (Brownchurch comes to mind) Also Cranix (sp?) in the UK has that tent that attaches to the rear of a Land Rover allowing you to camp both in and out of your Land Rover at the same time. Since Dormobile parts are hard to come by, I'll limit my discussion to non-Dormobile camping and since I nave only camped in a 109 two door, I'll limit myself to 109 two door camping. But you might want to mention the cots used in series II 88s that anchor in the front on the metal instrument panel and go over the front seat. The bed in a 109 two door has space for a six foot long person to stretch out for sleeping. If you have a tail gate open, you can accommodate a taller person. There are several options available for sleeping. If you are single camping, you can lay a air mattress or chase lounge pad down directly on the floor. If you are double camping, you can place a a sheet of plywood over the side shelves providing plenty of space for two to sleep side by side. Both of these solutions allow for the car to remain unmodified. Some people have built in permanent beds using a mattress and space under them for storage. Another option for Land Rovers that have windowless sides is to side hinged beds that fold up against the wall when not in use. The 109 two door has lots of unused space under the side shelves between the back of the front seats and the rear wheels. My car has a 5 gal horizontal propane tank with top valve on the right side. This is essentially the same type that comes on propane fork lifts. It gives me gas for about 5 days of cooking and heating water for washing. This space can also be used for water storage if you have a custom water tank made. There is an outrigger that the water tank can sit on. You should be able to fit a 20 gallon water tank on each side. I should know the capacity this spring when i build one for the left side of my car. This helps keep the weight and roll center low. I have been camping in a 109 two door with unmodified rear interior by strapping the cooler and plastic storage boxes to the side shelves with bungle cords. I had one box for sleeping bag and pillow, one for clothing and one for kitchen. There was space for strapping two additional boxes to the side shelves without occupying the bed of the back proper. I also brought propane lanterns, a folding table and chairs. The table got set up alongside the Land Rover next to the propane tank. I connect a two burner propane stove to the built in tank. So my cooking was done outside alongside the Land Rover. I attached up a large nylon sheet to the side of the car's roof and set it up as an awning using poles on the outside. One could attach an RV style awning to the side of a 109 and just pull it out. I am currently converting my 109 to a long distance expedition Land Rover utilizing the pop-up top and cabinets from a wrecked Dormobile. I have two underseat petrol tanks plus a rear tank for a total of 44 US gallons of petrol. I have the 5 gal propane tank under the side bench on the right side and will have a water container under the left side bench. On the right side going from the back of the right front seat to the rear, there is the tall Dormobile wardrobe, a NorCold chest refrigerator/freezer which doubles as a table, then a single side facing fold down jump seat. On the left side from the back of the left front seat rearwards, a three shelf tall cabinet, a sink then the Dormobile two burner/sink cabinet. This gives me a sink for washing and one for rinsing. I will be adding a roof rack for the front of the roof forward of the pop-up top. I am installing a deep cycle battery in the right rear tool box. to provide power for the refrigerator. Since the deep cycle battery requires a slow charging cycle, I have added a mains connector at the rear of the car. At the right rear behind the tool box containing the deep cycle battery, i have added a connector from a military Land Rover that was used to provide power for a communications trailer. The screw on cap waterproofs the internal connector space which is the correct size for a male power receptacle. This allows me to connect the deep cycle battery to a mains connection whenever available. Another modification I have done is squared off the rear cross member by adding a wedge shaped metal channel. This gives me space to add the military rear bumperettes for increased rear protection, and a small 'U' channel at each end as a rear corner jack point for a high lift jack. Otherwise its almost impossible to use a high lift jack in the rear without lifting the whole rear of the car unbalanced so it would fall off the jack to the side. A rear petrol tank can be easily added to a 109 two door by modifying the lower part of the second to rear cross member, routing the exhaust to the 109 five door configuration, and using the filler fittings from a series III high capacity pickup. I can provide details upon request. I have also converted the car to 1984 109 dual power brakes. I can provide details upon request. TeriAnn ------------------------------[ <- Message 58 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 19:56:42 -0600 From: Shaun Carrigan <shaunc@infi.net> Subject: RR power seat Help! Dearest just borrowed the '88 Range Rover and moved up the seat to accommodate her 5'0" frame. When I tried to climb in, there was no response to the seat switch. The seat tilt/angle still works but I can't get the seat distance back far enough to even climb behind the wheel. There is no response at all when moving the seat distance switch to the rear position. When moved forward, there is a slight clicking sound. What has failed, the switch or the motor, or is it possibly a fuse? Is there a way to manually move the seat back far enough to drive it until a repair can be made? Shaun Carrigan ------------------------------[ <- Message 59 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: NADdMD@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:13:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Brake problems. Tom Rowe writes: For clamps I use small needle nose Vice-Grips with the teeth ground off ( I have a set of three just for this purpose). Another alternative to grinding down needle-nose visegrip teeth is to contact a local hospital and ask if they have old bowel clamps they're going to discard. Try to get them to take your name if they have none. Bowel clamps are designed to clamp across segments of bowel, preventing all contents from flowing through without damaging the bowel wall. If surgery doesn't seem interested, talk to anatomic pathology (autopsy service) as they use them there as well. Nate Dunsmore Rocking Horse Farm Boring, MD 21020 NADdMD@aol.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 60 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:12:39 GMT From: Peter Collingridge <peter@pcolling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Buying a Land-Rover Hi, Thanks to the person who re-posted my query from the rec.autos.4x4 about buying a Land-Rover in the UK. I found this list server at about the same time. To recap, I am looking at spending about 2000 pounds on a series II or III Land-Rover. I want a petrol SWB - 2 1/4 is OK, but a V8 is preferable (it will not do large mileages). The feedback so far has been useful, but if anyone could give me any more guidance, then it would be gratefully received. I am quite tempted by a Stage I, but am not sure if they came in SWB form, or how frequently they come up for sale, or whether they fall within my price range. Anyway, any advice gratefully received. Thanks, Pete -- Peter Collingridge ------------------------------[ <- Message 61 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:52:58 -0500 From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice) Subject: Re: Load space protector John asks... >Speaking of load space protectors, does anyone know where to get that >wonderful spider-web like bunji cord thingee that I saw in the Defender90 >video? The one where the dad is covering all the coolers and sleeping bags >to keep them in place during all that fording and tree climbing they did? - I haven't seen the video, but I've got a spider-web bunji cord thingee that I use to secure the load on my VW Westfalia luggage rack. I think I bought it at K-Mart. Works great in the IIa, too. Cheers Mike Loiodice 166 W. Fulton St. 1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green Gloversville 1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo NY 12078 (USA) 7 1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue #:-}> ------------------------------[ <- Message 62 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 18:53:34 -0500 From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice) Subject: Re: Timing >From Graeme and Ian.... >>I suspect my timing but as of yet don't have a crank to turn the >>engine by hand. Is there any other way of adjusting the timing? ......... >I don't know off hand, but I am sure that there must be another way of >turning th engine over. However, you can do the dynamic timing if you >have access to a timing lamp - A couple of ways to turn the engine by hand... For the gorillas in the crowd, put the truck in first gear and push it until the points ride up on the distributer cam lobe. (Grunt!) For the rest of us... Make sure you know where the spark plug wires attach to the distributer cap! Then, unscrew the spark plugs, remove them if you want. Put the transmission in neutral and you should be able to easily turn the engine by turning the fan (assuming the fan belt is adjusted properly). Nice advantage with this is you can eyeball the distributer while moving the fan. Cheers Mike Loiodice 166 W. Fulton St. 1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Faded Green Gloversville 1972 SerIII 88 Petrol - Fern Camo NY 12078 (USA) 7 1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol - Red and Blue #:-}> ------------------------------[ <- Message 63 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JAMES_CIRBUS@HPATC2.desk.hp.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 96 21:53:00 -0500 Subject: Series Rim questions Greetings, It is time again, to ask advice. I recently acquired two new additions to the family. (both basket cases) A 1970 Series IIA 88", and a 1967 109" 5 door wagon. Both vehicles are equipped with 16" rims. The 65,000 dollar question: Can these rims be used with tubeless tires? I have seen tubeless tires on Series rims in the past, but thought I would ask advice of the all-knowing. (yeah, I mean you folks) The rims would be stripped, dipped, and given a fresh coat of limestone paint. My plans would be to air down to 10-15 psi for the trail. Jim Cirbus Sunbury OH '94 D-90 #730 '70 Ser IIA 88" '67 Ser IIA 109" NADA 6 ------------------------------[ <- Message 64 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:21:54 -0500 Subject: Cranks (was Re: Timing) > Graeme wrote:- > >I suspect my timing but as of yet don't have a crank to turn the > >engine by hand. Is there any other way of adjusting the timing? Speaking of cranks which LR's can be started with a hand operated crank? Another Disco owner returned my wave today - second one this year. Must be the 50 cm of snow that fell in the past 2 days. -- Gerald g@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 65 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:21:54 -0500 Subject: Re: D90 seats On 9 Jan 96 at 16:31, TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com wrote: . . . . > I would even be happy to trade a slightly used set > of series front seats upholstered in early Duct tape. Is that the pure, imported, Corinthian Duct tape? -- Gerald g@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 66 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: Cranks Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:50:26 +1030 (CST) Gerald asks: > Speaking of cranks which LR's can be started with a hand operated > crank? Well the stage 1 V8 has provision for crank starting but getting it started is another matter.... I have 2 bent crank handles waiting to be straightened and reinforced, then I might try again.. Dont seem to be able to get it spinning fast enough to catch, any suggestions. -- Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au) ------------------------------[ <- Message 67 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 21:00:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Subject: Re: RR power seat On Tue, 9 Jan 1996, Shaun Carrigan wrote: > Help! Dearest just borrowed the '88 Range Rover and moved up the seat to > accommodate her 5'0" frame. When I tried to climb in, there was no [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > there a way to manually move the seat back far enough to drive it until > a repair can be made? Hmm, it must be the season or something. I just had the same experience, except in reverse. My seat will go back, but not forward. This means that my wife can't drive the RR, and it's her daily driver. (On the otherhand, it means that I get to use it everyday; not a bad deal... I think I'd better get it fixed anyway). The strange thing is that both seats are doing the same thing. Could there be a common cause? I'm thinking about opening up the switch boxes and spraying in some solvent to clean the contacts since several people have mentioned the need to clean them early and often. I did ford a couple of streams up to 15 inches deep or so on Saturday, so I've been hoping that maybe there is a short in the system somewhere that will self-correct when it dries out. It's been four days, though, and I'm beginning to loose faith in the passive approach to Land Rover repair. Any ideas on a more proactive approach? Walt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Walter C. Swain | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us * * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover * * Davis, California | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------[ <- Message 68 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 19:16:04 -1000 (HST) From: Pat Guerin <pat@pixi.com> Subject: Re: D90 locking gas cap yup...i'm guilty of the same...as a matter of fact I went back and could not find it anywhere. I guess it grew legs and walked away. Total damage $12.90 +tax. With the enormous savings I'm not going to pickup the SW. 1. I would probably ruin the carpet. 2. I love my D90 as is. 3. The $$$ loss would kill me. p.s. I feel sorry for you guysin the cold but it got cold here also. Just the other night it got down to 68 F. Burrr I had to use an extra comforter. Gee I also had to wear a sweater....hahaha p.s.s. My seat track is on order and will be replaced shortly. aloha from hawaii, Pat 94 D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 69 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:50:49 -0800 Subject: Re: Cranks <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: Cranks Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 14:50:26 +1030 (CST) To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net Gerald asks: > Speaking of cranks which LR's can be started with a hand operated > crank? Well the stage 1 V8 has provision for crank starting but getting it started is another matter.... I have 2 bent crank handles waiting to be straightened and reinforced, then I might try again.. Dont seem to be able to get it spinning fast enough to catch, any suggestions. -- Daryl Webb (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au) <---- End Forwarded Message ----> ------------------------------[ <- Message 70 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960110 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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