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From: "Steve Methley" <sgm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 12:39:39 +0000
Subject: Re: Polybushes for RR

Mark writes:

>need of bushing job at the front and I was wondering what you lot thought of
>them, or see if anyone had fitted them ?

They are twice the price, easier to fit and make the handling tauter.
Apparently they don't last any longer tho', so I bought the normal
type 'cos I'm a Yorkshireman (and I don't think 'taut' and 'rover' go
together!).  YMMV.

--
Best Regards,
Steve.

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 08:27:21 -0800
Subject: Re: Unsicking a engine 101

Bruce,
Nice story.  Sounds like you and Dixon have a lot i common.  His first Land
Rover was storred for something like 12 years before he got it.  We were
treated to frequent stories of how his resurection was coming along.  You too
might chat about your experiences.  He has learned a LOT since then about
Land Rovers and is probably one of our resident experts on Land Rover
reserection.

Good luck

TeriAnn

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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 17:53:11 GMT
From: Phil Taylor <philt@innotts.co.uk>
Subject: Polybushes

Mark Talbot wrote:

>Any coil sprung land Rover owners fitted the poly bush kit ? My 88 RR is in 
>need of bushing job at the front and I was wondering what you lot thought of 
>them, or see if anyone had fitted them ?

I fitted them to my Discovery about 18 months ago. They make for a slightly
stiffer ride (though I fitted Gabriel gas shocks around the same time, so
its ahrd to swear exactly which was more responsible), and dont compromise
off-road performance as far as I can tell. Also, they are much easier to
change than the standard bushes. You do need to buy the special tool for
insertion/removal. If you live in the UK Ron Higgins (RH engineering) will
lend you the tool. He is a genuinely helpful chap.

While I'm here, Jonathan Rosenthal wrote:

>I recently was stuck in a snow bank in my discover.  The right front wheel
>was slightly in the air.  No matter what gear or range I was in only the
>right front tire and the left rear tire spun.
>Is there a problem with my vehicle??

This is called Cross-axling or in Official Land-Rover speak, Diagonal
Suspension. There is nothing wrong with the vehicle, the driver is faulty.

Phil Taylor

1973 lt/wt - Much Abused
1990 Disco V8

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From: JEPurnell@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:19:20 -0500
Subject: D90 Soft top/hard top, more.

In a message dated 96-01-02 20:21:14 EST, Barnett Childress writes:

<< Another option would be to convert your 94 to the bestop. It's easy to do,

they just replace the snaps with the rail system. I don't know if it's 
true but I've heard that installation and removal of the hardtop can be a 
pain. >>

Thanks Barnett for your notes.  Fortunately I alread do have the Bestop,
though my Defender(#1336) is a 1994 MY, I bought it very late and the only
top to fit to it was the newer one.  In fact, I bought it so late that the
dealer had 2 1995s on the floor and was very eager to deal on my 94.  I
walked into a perfect situation.  

Regarding the fiberglass hard top, it does seem that it is not something
you'll remove for the week, it sounds seasonal, which would be just fine by
me.  I guess I've been doing a lot of long driving with 2 people lately and
it gets a little tough to carry on long coversations at normal voice levels,
which is partly why I am interested in getting a ride in a D90 with the
fiberglass top-to check out the differences.  When solo, neither the noise or
few drafts really bother me, other than sometimes not being able to
understand the newscaster if they are speaking softly.  Also, I am looking at
a job with a 1:15 commute each way (I get to blow up boat motors...yea!) ,
and in that case the hardtop would be much more attractive.  (though i could
easily buy a freeway flyer for the commute for less than adding the hardtop,
and then save the miles,  when i bought the rig i told myself i will drive it
no matter what, not to worry about miles, LR made the thing to move, not sit)

Another point I thought of was how long can we expect the Bestops to last?  I
don't mean the windows yellowing, but the canvas and the stitching?  Will
running it in the winter reduce its lifespan, being cold stiff and flapping?
  Replacing the $1000 top every X years could be a factor in deciding on the
hardtop.  I wonder which will promote wear more: winter or summer?  When I
lived in Los Angeles of course you have the year round smog and sun to really
deteriorate the canvas, but here in the midwest, so far, by my calculations
and observations, and thermometer readings, and frozen fingers, year round
sunshine is less of a problem. . .

John, N9EJC
94 D90, Wisconsin

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From: JEPurnell@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:19:19 -0500
Subject: Re: D90 heating with AC option (huh!?)

In a message dated 96-01-02 20:21:23 EST, Andrew Dallas writes:

<< I'm not overly impressed with the heating system of the D90. 
I do have the AC option which, I'm beginning to suspect, significantly 
reduces the volume of air the heating system can move. Do you have the AC 
option? Has any one else out there installed the AC option after-the-fact 
and noticed a significant reduction in heating capacity?
-AD >>

Others have already made this point but I have the same condions regarding
the passenger side heating with the AIR COND option.  The heat seems to just
filter out of the stuff-trays on the dash.  Heaven help you if you leave your
Carmex or lip balm up there...  But there is no vent for passenger feet
heating any longer.  The quantity from the other vents is fine, and
temperature OK, just air direction is poor.  

JOhn, N9EJC
94 D90, Wisc.

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From: JEPurnell@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 13:19:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Bimini top all season, D90

In a message dated 96-01-02 20:21:25 EST, Barnett CHildress writes:

No I don't have AC. When the nice weather is here I run my D90 with the 
bimini top all season.
Barnett.
 >>
Barnett, what do you do in the rain?   Leave door tops on? I have the full
surrey I ran all the time in LA, but midwest is different.   I got a note
from someone in Kansas with a Def90 who got caught in the rain with a surrey
top  and the ECU got wet and the engine ran like it had 2 plug wires off.  So
I wonder if you had any rain delays...?

John, N9EJC
94 D90, Wisc

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:55:39 -0500
Subject: Auto Show report

The charity preview for the North American Internation Auto Show (Detroit)
auto show was last night, and a mere 15,000 tickets were sold. Not quite as
crowded on a reqular night. Sport-utes were very prominent and everywhere.
The Land Rover stand was crowded the entire evening.

The LR display is considerably enlarged and in a new location this year,
between BMW and AM General (Hummer) although there was no connection with the
BMW display. A jungle motif is used very effectively A ‘95 U.S. team Camel
Trophy Discovery complete with mud is very prominent and a muddy Range Rover
demonstrates maximum axle articulation. A D90 SW is on display alogn with
several other Discos and Range Rovers. The Range Rovers are rather bland and
seemed lost nexs to the Discos and D90.

LRNA definately is drawing on the LR heritage at the show. There is a
multi-screen video wall featuring off-road driving including CT action, the
Great Divide expedition for the NA RR launch, and Mayan expedition for the NA
Disco launch. More facinating was the video shown on two smaller monitors. It
seemed to be compilation of highlights from LR promotion films of the last 40
years. Included were SI in a muddy trials, LR with rail wheels pulling a
train as seen in John Taylor’s books, the Darien Gap Expedition, and early
lightweight fully stripped and slung under a Wessex, the 110 intro, UK “comp
safari”, CT, and more. Facinating. Do dealers have a copy of this?

For the competition luxury sport-utes are hot and Lexus has a very mildly
revised Land Cruiser and Accura has a leather trimmed and rebadged Trooper.
Nothing new on the Hummer stand but their prices make D90s look cheap.

Mercedes showed the All Activity Concept vehicle which is their All Activity
Vehicle with 325/75-17 tires. The styling is rounded and full-time 4wd with
dual range. Both V6 and V8 versions are expected. These will be built in
Alabama starting in Fall of ‘97 and a price in the mid-$30,000 range is
expected. This will be major competion for the Discovery among those not
seeking ultimate off-road performance.

The major news at Jeep is the new ‘97 TJ Wrangler which features coil spring
suspension in both front and rear. The setup is very similar to the Grand
Cherokee. Total articulation is claimed to be 27 in (up from 20 in) which
looks like more than a stock D90 (24.6 in for UK version). Also new is the
dash with dual airbags, and a new, more laid back windshield. Mosty prominent
is the return to round hadlamps. A RHD example was on display. It looks like
the Wrangler will be around for quite a while.

Does anyone have a report from L.A.

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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 96 23:41:39 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: RR CD magazines

Anyone know where you can get, or who makes the CD Changer magazine for a 91 
County RR. I think it's a Clairon.  However, I think that most of the 
magazines are compatible throughout all multiple CD units ????

Mark

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Date: 06 Jan 96 18:59:35 EST
From: Cliff  Kavanaugh <76262.1154@compuserve.com>
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe

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From: BDaviscar@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:07:46 -0500
Subject: Re: SWAP MEET

In a message dated 96-01-06 14:21:20 EST, you write:

>JIM & LRO,
>   SIGN ME UP FOR THE RALLY & OR SWAP MEET  IN LAKE CITY FL.
>I LIVE IN MIDDLEBURG FL. NEAR JACKSONVILLE FL.

I want to know  why the midwest is left out of things. I have had a love for
cars & car shows for many years now. But I am tired of going to aother states
for good car shows
Like this one in florida. Infacted the only good car show/ swap meet I have
been to in IL. is the british car show every Sept.witch but the way had ovver
600 cars at and only 19 where of Rover origine. So what is wrong why don't we
have any other good car shows here or close by?

Bruce Chicago

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From: JEPurnell@aol.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:37:10 -0500
Subject: D90 Radiator Muff, no discernable difference with gas engine

I think Barnett mentioned the radiator muff available for the Defender
grills.  I have one on my  D90 and haven't noticed any difference in how fast
I get heat, or how much, or how quickly the engine warms up.  I haven't done
any "timed" tests with and without the muff snapped up, but I figure if I
don't notice a "seat of the pants" difference, the efficacy is lost.
 Possibly it would help much more on the diesels.  

Same heat channel.  Same heat time.  Holy Radiator Muff Batman.

John - N9EJC
94 D90, Wisc

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 96 00:32:22 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Door locks freezing

Anyone experienced door locks freezing on a RR or DISCO ? Mine have frozen and 
no amount of WD-40 will free them up. I suppose the door lock de-icer would 
work. According to my manual, the RR door locks have a heater built in to stop 
freezing !!!!

Mark 

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:30:53 -0800
Subject: Meets

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I want to know  why the midwest is left out of things. I have had a love for
cars & car shows for many years now. But I am tired of going to aother states
for good car shows
Like this one in florida. Infacted the only good car show/ swap meet I have
been to in IL. is the british car show every Sept.witch but the way had ovver
600 cars at and only 19 where of Rover origine. So what is wrong why don't we
have any other good car shows here or close by?

Bruce Chicago
----------------------------- End Original Text -----------------------------

Bruce,

Life is just hard I guess.  I have a long drive to Get to the Portland All
British Field meet on the Labour day weekend.  Half the length of California
and the full length of Oregon.  But like your local show, this one generally
has over 600 British cars.  What make this one interesting to the Land Rover
crowd is that there are close to 100 Land/Range Rovers that show up.  There's
camping Fri & Sat evenings, A Rover club hosted Sunday breakfast  for the
Land Rover/Range Rover crowd, A small "off road" track and an auto jumble
Sunday.  Friday and Sunday nights are spend around the circled
Land Rover camps chatting about the beasties.  This last year we had an air
portable, 5 Dormobiles, a Land Rover ambulance, a stage 1 109, Land Rover
fire truck, a light weight plus some interesting hybreds.

Then of course the Sunday after the Labour Day weekend is the Palo Alto
British car field meet.  But its only part of a day and only draws 40 or 50
Land/Range Rovers

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 20:32:26 -0800
Subject: Re: 	ABS

Land Rover markets its ABS system as an *all-terrain system* for the simple 
reason that you will retain ABS functionality with Rangey and Disco down to 3 
MPH!! This primarily due to the high iterative speed of the ABS computer and 
the 4-channel system. A sep. speed sensor for each corner. Unlike virtually 
100% of the competing sport utes, which are being billed as 4-wheel ABS. In 
actuality it is a clever way to hide the fact that they are really 
three-channel systems; one sensor for the rear axle. The Rover system is 
all-terrain because you can use it a crawling speeds and even if a wheel is 
lifted. The channels remaining in ground contact will continue to relieve 
wheel lockup. The other systems usually shut off at around 20mph! So, even 
though the cardinal rule off road is to avoid the brake pedal on steep stuff, 
you can use the Rover ABS system in a pinch. 

cheers
Jim- what? Another foot of snow?

`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`68 2B 110 F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

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Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 21:38:57 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Salesmen

I think it's fairly safe to say that the types of LROs who don't take their
Rovers off road do not subscribe to any of the Land Rover Internet lists.

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery, epsom green, NAS 5-spd

At 08:33 05.01.96 -0800, Christopher Boese wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>Wdcockey@aol.com wrote:
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>Not with me. I have only the one plushmobile, and I go off-road whenever I can.
>I work for government, so my income is less-than-yuppie-ish, but I wanted
the best
>vehicle money could (be borrowed to) buy.
>-- 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
>'95 beluga black Discovery V8i

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From: PurnellJE@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:19:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Door locks freezing

In a message dated 96-01-06 22:31:03 EST, you write:

>Anyone experienced door locks freezing on a RR or DISCO ? Mine have frozen
>and 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>freezing !!!!
>Mark 

Funnily enough, just tonight both my locks are frozen solid, can't get my
door key in either door.  May have something to do with spraying the truck
off 2 days ago to get the salt and crud offa it, and that it is 9.1F out
there.  bbbbrrrrrrr.  Have to get out the de-icer.

John N9EJC
94 D90, North Pole Wisconsin
PS...Hey, how 'bout the Pack! Have to admit, I envied seeing the sun.

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From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 22:41:53 -0800
Subject: Re: Salesmen

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I think it's fairly safe to say that the types of LROs who don't take their
Rovers off road do not subscribe to any of the Land Rover Internet lists.

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Maybe, I've certainly seen enough series Land Rovers, Defenders & Discoverys
off the road, but I have only seen one Range Rover off road and that person
wasn't on any of the Land Rover lists.

Interestingly enough, the Disco off road drivers I see are just about all
off-road newbes.  But as a group they seem very game.  They seem to show up
at the easy & moderate trips and leave the gonzo trips to the Defenders &
Series cars where chance of bending panels approaches 50% or higher and
ground clearence makes all the difference.  Of couse now, I avoid the
gonzoest runs because I don't want to bend panels either.  And if I had a new
$30K+ car, I would be even more careful not to bend panels.  The Disco crowd
seems to be a good bunch.

Now if I could just whitness some Range Rovers going off road...

TeriAnn

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