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1 "Steve Reddock" [steve_r37Gearboxes
2 Richard Brownlee [10136022New UK export company
3 ASFCO@aol.com 17SOLD New maunual
4 Stuart Williams [STUARTW44Wiping Things Clean ...
5 NADdMD@aol.com 23Aluminium brazing
6 Andy Dingley [dingbat@co27Poor mail order performance
7 Andy Dingley [dingbat@co62Re: Range Rover fuel tank sender
8 wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy 34Towing bracket( or is it hook?) info needed.
9 crash@merl.com 19Disco electrics manual price diffrences
10 ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi19SII exhaust manifolds
11 jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben17'83 RR - buy or not?
12 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak29Re: windshield washers
13 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak41Re: New and old Rovers, Dealerships
14 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak54Re: Salesmen
15 IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILL24Aluminium brazing: be a clean Marine!
16 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em17Re: SII exhaust manifolds
17 debrown@srp.gov 72Attempted drowning of my plushmobile.
18 Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY [20Filters for Disco's - Headlight guards
19 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove18Land Rovers for Sale
20 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove46RE: Poor mail order performance
21 Christopher Boese [cboes22Re: Filters for Disco's - Headlight guards
22 debrown@srp.gov 25Disco CD player
23 debrown@srp.gov 25Disco CD player
24 Bennett Leeds [bennett@m43Re: New and old Rovers, Dealerships
25 debrown@srp.gov 22Advice on water sealing. (lights, ignition)
26 Bennett Leeds [bennett@m24Re: Filters for Disco's - Headlight guards
27 janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Sc44Military fan or not?
28 Ross Leidy [ross@secant.21Re: 25% tarriff - MAJOR UPDATE
29 "R. Pierce Reid" [PREID@68PR 01/03 1302 LAND ROVER SETS COMPANY-WIDE RECORDS IN 1995
30 debrown@srp.gov 22Mail madness
31 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em19Re: Auxiliary Heaters for anything.
32 TONY YATES [tonyy@waalp41Re: Advice on water sealing. (lights, ignition)
33 russ burns [burns@cisco.18Re: Auxiliary Heaters for anything.
34 rover@pinn.net (Alexande18ROAV newsletters
35 Wes Newman [newmanpp@cor19Electrical problems with 1967 109" NADA
36 Daniel Polak [100013.51116military vehicles magazine
37 Wdcockey@aol.com 20Re: Poor mail order performance
38 Wdcockey@aol.com 10Re: Salesmen
39 Duncan Brown [DB@CHO004.50Re: military vehicles magazine
40 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr27Re: military vehicles magazine
41 "Gerald" [g@ix.netcom.co21Re: New and old Rovers, Dealerships
42 "Gerald" [g@ix.netcom.co20Re: Filters for Disco's - Headlight guards
43 BDaviscar@aol.com 32fuel to burn?
44 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A28Re: Electrical problems with 1967 109" NADA
45 Andy Dingley [dingbat@co20Connector availability
46 David Rosenbaum [rosenba19Re: military vehicles magazine


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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 05:24:55 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Gearboxes

Hi all, one for the technically minded here.
  
Last week my gearbox started making a high pitched wining noise when
under load.
  
The pitch/volume is directly proportional to road speed and load. There
is no noise when off load (ie down hill) or neutral. There is also no
noise under engine braking. At low speeds there is little noise.
Possibly the noise only exists in 3rd and 4th, or perhaps speeds are too
low in 1st & 2nd to hear it. I think it is only there in 3rd & 4th.
  
I have checked the UJs on the rear prop and they seem OK (very quick
check though, to make this much noise they would need to be close to
falling off!). I haven't checked for noise at high speeds in low ratio.
I was using low ratio immediately before this all started and I didn't
notice anything, but the high ratio noise was quieter then.
  
There is oil in the box. It's a series III box attached to a Ford 2.8l
V6 (140 BHP & 170 ftlb) so the box is a little more stressed than usual.
  
Can anybody think what the problem is. My best guess is a gearbox
bearing breaking up.
  
Just what I need a gearbox rebuild in the middle of winter :-(
  
Cheers, Steve
  
PS. Don't forget to reply in red ink with carriage returns!  :-)
  
Steve Reddock                         Product Evaluation, 26/12
Xyratex                  Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450  Int.721-4450
REDDOCK at HVTVM         Internet: Steve_Reddock@UK.XYRATEX.COM

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Date: 03 Jan 96 08:38:26 EST
From: Richard Brownlee <101360.3273@compuserve.com>
Subject: New UK export company

I have been a Land Rover enthusiast for over 13 years based near London UK. I
travelled to US a couple of months ago and was amazed at prices for series L/Rs
and spares(new and second-hand). I am therefore setting up a company to compete
in this market with more sensible prices. At the moment I need feedback from
people on this list about their experiences with UK & US suppliers, what
additional services are required and how I can help.

I would also be grateful for details of clubs in the US and show/meet dates for
1996.

Please feel free to reply on the list, private e-mail or by phone on +44 1932
880743 up to 23:00 GMT (I will call you back)

Thanking you all in advance.

Richard Brownlee
101360.3273@compuserve.com

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:03:31 -0500
Subject: SOLD  New maunual

Thanks to everyone who made inquiries on the manual I offered for sale... It
has been sold.

                                                                      Regards
To All

                                                                        Steve
Bradke  WA2GMC

                                                                           72
s lll 88

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From: Stuart Williams <STUARTW@po1.net.cho.ge.com>
Subject: Wiping Things Clean ...
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 09:20:00 EST

Obligatory Rover Content :

Over the Christmas holidays I got a message from John Friedman about the 
dubious performance of the stock wiper blades on his Discovery in foul 
weather.  He told me that after some frustrating times in the storm / 
blizzard that hit the Mid-West US (where the only thing that really held him 
up was poor visibility due to the ineffective blades) he changed to some 
Trico 'WeatherBlades' wiper blades and saw great improvement.   Based on his 
advice I went out and did the same for my Disco. At $4.99 each (YMMV) 
they're just about the cheapest thing that you can do to your Rover.  The 
18" replacement units fit just fine although they look a little funky with 
their rubber booties to keep the framework free of ice/snow.  They really do 
work *much* better and are quieter than stock; I highly recommend them for 
those folks in the northern latitudes.

And now my real reason for posting this message :

At the risk of getting flamed to death I'm going to ask if anyone knows how 
to get hold of a real live human at the location that serves this list via 
e-mail or other means.  I'm trying to change my LRO Digest subscription from 
one mail account to another but the Majordomo has been less that 
cooperative.

I've tried all possible permutations of requesting 'unsubscribe' for the 
'lro-digest' and 'lro-digest-ltd' with and without various forms of my 
e-mail address.  I know that the e-mail address for the Majordomo is right 
and that my messages are getting through because I keep getting back 
messages from the Majordomo that I'm not a subscriber.   Tell that to my 
mail account every morning, eh?

I've also tried sending messages to the address given for use if the 
Majordomo 'barfs' at something, but no reply as yet.

Any and all help is appreciated!

Stuart Williams
'95 Discovery V8i
'85 LandCruiser

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:27:22 -0500
Subject: Aluminium brazing

Technical question: (Maybe Tom can reply)

I have wire brushed the corrosion from the aluminium sheet metal on the seat
box where it comes in contact with the frame and the toolbox.  There are
several holes there and numerous pits.  While some shiny metal is exposed,
the pits still contain the flecks of white corrosion.  I plan on brazing a
thin sheet of aluminium onto the corroded surfaces, patching behind the
original sheet metal.  I am using a BernzoMatic torch with the aluminium
rods.  Is the metal clean enough to proceed? (It is not going to need much in
the way of torsional strength) Secondly, do I need additonal flux of some
kind for this?
Thanks

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD USA 21020
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Poor mail order performance
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 15:05:17 GMT

> lopezba@atnet.at writes:

&%> And a kick in the behind for a certain UK supplier of LR parts 
&%> who is four weeks late on delivering my brake cylinders, so I 
&%> can not take my favourite vehicle for a spin thru the 15 cm/6 
&%> inches of fresh snow here in Vienna!

Wouldn't be Craddocks by any chance would it ?  I've given up on these
people altogether now. We've placed a bunch of orders with them this
year and _every_ one has had items missing, or just not been shipped
at all. Eventually I realised that the only reason we bought from them
was that they had the big magazine advert - their actual service was
poor.

I now deal with DLS in Matlock (they advertise a yellow & black advert
in LRO). Better prices than Craddocks, and a fast turn around.

--
Andy Dingley                          dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk                                          

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From: Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Range Rover fuel tank sender
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 15:05:21 GMT

martin@mfautley.demon.co.uk (Martin Fautley) wrote:

>dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk (Andy Dingley) wrote:
>>I'm having problems with my fuel tank sender ('85 petrol carb Rangie)
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>I'm pleased I read this as my '82 R-R is giving broadly similar
>symptoms, 

> As you've warned me that I have to take the tank out I think I'll
>wait till the spring, and just keep filling it up. 

The worst part of taking the tank off is draining the fuel first (a
little less unpleasant with diesel). The easiest way is to disconnect
the hose under the bonnet and use the electric pump. You do need to
have the tank empty, as it's an awkward struggle to get it out. It's
quite quick to do though.

My experience:

Disconnect all hoses before pulling the tank out. Don't forget the
fuel return pipe at the front of the tank.

Be careful with the pipe unions. Don't place any torque on the fixed
part of the pipe, as they're easily broken (particularly a rusty
sender unit suction pipe).

If you have problems with the breather hose, cut it and replace.The
original equipment hose goes brittle and splits anyway. Changing this
breather is an awkward job as connecting the filler cap end usually
requires unbolting the filler cap from the body. Refitting the
breather hose is _much_ easier if you have a hose clip driver with a
flexible shaft.

After unbolting the tank fixings, drop the tank down sideways, filler
side first. Be careful not to bang the suction pipe end onto the
chassis rail.

Use a bayonet spanner to remove the sender locking ring. You can make
your own by sawing three notches into the back of the hub bearing nut
box spanner.

When refitting the tank sender, use a new locking ring and check that
the tank lugs aren't bent loose. I also applied Hylomar sealant to the
surfaces of the rubber ring.

After locking the sender in place, seal the locking ring against rust
by applying a sealer. I used the same polyurethane mastic (Sikkaflex)
as I used to seal wings onto the rear quarter panels. Expensive, but
much stickier than silicone or acrylic.

When refitting the tank, be careful not to damage the suction pipe.

--
Andy Dingley                          dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk                                          

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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 16:28:02 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Towing bracket( or is it hook?) info needed.

Hello all,

Santa has been good to me. Found a complete towing brachet under the Xmas
tree. And that is where I need some info.

This is a non guinine towing bracket, but one from the biggest( and best)
towing bracket manufacturers in the Netherlands( Brink B.V.), wich comes
with a clear instruction sheet. But the fitting instructions on the electric
system are from the kind *one fits all*, and we all know that LandRover just
dont fit in the category *All*. So what I need is:
       1)  a good electrical diagram to connect the wires to. e.g. the wire
to            connect to for this green trailer light on my dashboard( This
light            seems to remind me towing a trailer ;-) )
       2)  Where do the wires enter the body(work).

Anyone out there who can transmit this info to me?

P.S. I'm talking about a '95 plushmobile, a Discovery 300 TDi that is.

Regards,
Roy
LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
                ____
      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Discovery, VG-XH-66
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#         "scarved for live"
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
[|_/  \|_____|_/  \_|]
  ( o )        ( o )

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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 10:26:38 -0500
Subject: Disco electrics manual price diffrences

I called up Rovers North looking for the elusive Disco electrics
troubleshooting manual, and got a "yes, we got 'em, $175.76"

I then called up Atlantic British.  "yes, we got 'em.  $59.95."

A.B. really did have 'em too... got it the afternoon of the next day.
It sure looks real- binder and everything.

Anybody have a clue as to how a >3x price difference can occur
on the same part (LR part# LJBEMENL95)

	-Bill Yerazunis
	 slush-encrusted 94 Disco (and I wave!)

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 11:02:08 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: SII exhaust manifolds

Dear All,
        In an email Dave McKain asked about his odd exhaust manifold with
the exhaust outlet turning up. First, DON'T throw it out! If you don't want
it, I know a bunch of people that need the part. The manifold was used on
the early 2.25 SII engines. A fellow Land Rover collector told me once they
were used for some sort of PTO unit, but I have never seen a unit that
would require that exhaust route. The manifold was most common on the SII
2.25 engines that used the different size crank, with 2.5 inch main
bearings rather than the 2.25 inch bearings. I know a few people going for
total originality on their 60 and 61 engines, so if you want to switch,
they will most likely supply you with a new unit for your old one.
        Good luck on your project.

Mike Smith, ECR

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 11:23:10 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: '83 RR - buy or not?

Dear list:

A friend is looking at an '83 Rangie, about 90k miles, LT95, some rust.
Asking price about US$3k.
I don't quite know what to advise him, besides checking the tranny/diff/fluids.
So, if it's marginally a good driver, is $2000-2500 a steal?

BTW, what is the '83 RR doing here, or is it "kosher"?  He didn't pop the hood,
so I don't know if it's got EFI or CD's.  If CD's , I KNOW what I'll advise.

Thanks
Jan in US.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:08:16 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: windshield washers

In message <199512280927.EAA14979@butler.uk.stratus.com> Mark Perry writes:
; 
> Alan Richer's account of windshield washer installation parallels mine, 
; though I used a tank/pump ass'y from a Suzuki Samurai I got at a 
> wrecker's yard for $5. Could be same or similar as used in Toyota.
; 
> Mark Perry   Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
> 1966 Ser.IIA 88 Petrol Hardtop 
;
Mark,
If you decide to replace your rice burner washer system, the washer system used 
on most late sixties MGBs and probably other British cars of the era are the 
same as or very close to what came stock on mid & late sixties Land Rovers that 
came equipped with washer systems.  The Green Rover's factory washer system had 
the same electric pump, Tutor bottle and mounting bracket as the '68 MGBGT I 
recently sold.

TeriAnn        "Celebrating my tenth year on the Usenet/Internet"

twakeman@apple.com

              
                         
                       

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:08:57 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: New and old Rovers, Dealerships

 
> understand your anger, but I don't think it is a Rover problem. It is a
> dealership, just need to make a buck problem, Rover, Ford, Jaguar, all
> makes.
;
Last time I went into a Land Rover Dealership (San Jose British Motors), I 
parked my IIA 109 two door in the lot next to the show room.  I was there to 
take measurments of Defender seat cushens to see if they will fit in a series 
seat frame.

Those who know my car know she's not one of the most pristine examples,  
Chipping non-stock green paint that has crinkled paint on one side from someone 
walking the side with a propane tourch.  inner door panels removed with cadnium 
primer on the inside. Duct tape seat covers. Aluminum diamond plate lower side 
skirts, slightly tweeked from running aground & sanding fallen logs & rocks.  On
the plus side the car has mostly straight panels, D90 black steel wheels on 
265/70/16 Mud Terrains, newish rear military bumperettes, newish front bumper 
with  military overriders,D rings and a winch that looks like it means business.

ANyway, people, including sales types came out to look the Green Rover over and 
asked a number of respectfull questions about her whle I was measuring D90 seat 
componets.  Even though it was very obvious I was not in the market for a new 
car, i was treated well by the sales crew & they showed respect for my Land 
Rover.

If I decide that my Green Rover needs a new young sibling, or if anyone asks me 
where to go to buy a new Rover, I'll point them to the San Jose British Motors. 
Rover lot.

TeriAnn        "Celebrating my tenth year on the Usenet/Internet"

twakeman@apple.com

              
                         
                       

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 09:10:08 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Salesmen

In message <199512261903.OAA12160@butler.uk.stratus.com> "AMEDEO (Denver, CO)" 
writes:
>  To the Series people, let's make peace! Even Israel and the PLO did it!
> O.K. next time a Series person comes in I'll treat him like he owns the 
; place.
> Seriously, I agree we can learn from each other. Just understand 
; that a modern LR dealership is there to push the current product lines. But 
> why
; can't you accept that these so called plushmobiles are still
> real Land-Rovers, made in Soulihull?

i have nothing but respect for the Defenders, and the Discovery plushmobiles 
have simply amazed me, easily taking all but the nastiest rock climbing in plush
comfort. A goodly number of Disco owners don't seem shy about off roading and 
have more than proved to me that those plushmobiles are very capable Land Rovers
going most places a series car can but in MUCH greater comfort.

On the other hand, I can only remember seeing one Range Rover classic going off 
road and since the driver didn't seem experienced in offroading the show was 
slightly disapointing.  

looking at the ground effects moulding on the new US spec Range Rovers i would 
suspect they would get mangled if one ever tried rock crawling.  i suspect the 
new Range Rovers are excellent for nasty conditions on pavement or maintined 
dirt roads but they just don't seem to have any clearence for real off roading 
away from gentle rolling land.  The sad thing to me is that Amedeo may be right.
Hiding under that bodywork that leaves little ground clearence just may be the 
suspension for a great offroad capable car.

If the Defender is indeed discontinued in the near future, I do hope that Rover 
replaces it with a car that has both a great suspension and a high clearence 
body designed to allow the suspension to reach full articulation with large 
tyres.

I realize that the people who purchase the new Range Rovers will amost never 
take them farther off road that the parking lot for a ski lift, but I sure wish 
that Rover didn't encumber these cars with add ons that eliminates most of the 
ground clearence.

So far my favorate Range Rover is owned by Doug Shipman.  His is rebodied with 
an 88 body.

TeriAnn        "Celebrating my tenth year on the Usenet/Internet"

twakeman@apple.com

              
                         
                       

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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 12:17:50
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Aluminium brazing: be a clean Marine!

If you used a steel wire brush to clean the aluminum you might as well hang 
it up now. You have embedded tiny pieces of unwanted metal in the surface of 
the aluminum. You'll have to go back and clean the area with a non-metallic 
abrasive such as aluminum oxide paper.
Go to your local welding supply and tell them what you plan to do to repair 
the metal. They'll hook you up with the proper fluxes and rods. They are the 
experts.
All my troubles are Rover

Bill Adams
3Dmentia Video Animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington,MD 20895
301-949-9475

1966 S2a 109" SW Diesel "Keeping it stock in the face of common sense"

" One of these days I'm going to have this thing melted down and hammered into a coffin,
because when they lay me out it will be THIS son of a bitch that put me in it."

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 12:32:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: SII exhaust manifolds

On Wed, 3 Jan 1996, Mike Smith wrote:

>                        A fellow Land Rover collector told me once they
> were used for some sort of PTO unit, but I have never seen a unit that
> would require that exhaust route. 

	A Koneig pto winch would love the manifold.  Without it, you 
	have to modify the exhaust pipe since it and the driveshaft to
	the winch wish to occupy the same position.  At the time, Koneig
	did supply the modified front pipe, but alas, no longer.

	Rgds,

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 03 Jan 96 10:34:56 MST
Subject: Attempted drowning of my plushmobile.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Hello all! I've been on vacation since Dec 21st, and managed to get some
things done around the house. (I've also had a lot of mail server problems
and haven't been able to send mail for the past few weeks. Hope this works.)

I finally got my transmission back together for the 88 (IIa). I took it all
apart in JULY and had to locate some parts before I could reassemble. I
"had" everything in one "corner" of the garage, but after 6 months of kids,
bicycles, roommates, etc... things were not exactly the way I'd left them.
In fact, everything had been dumped into one large box by my roommate.
Anyway, it "only" took about 12 hours to reassemble the mess of confusion.
Now, I have only to get a clutch, and reinstall....

I got some Hella replacement headlights (changeable halogen bulbs) for
Christmas, and like them a lot. Not a huge difference with the standard
55/65 watt bulb, but noticeable. I can't wait to replace with 80/100 bulbs.
Legal? What, me worry? ;-)

Now, the drowning story... Went out with my kids one evening to an area near
Phoenix, near Bartlet lake. Had lots of fun with the '87 Range Rover, and
came to a river crossing. It was dark, I was alone except for a few other
4-by's in the area. At first, I could see the bottom of the river and was
very confident entering it. About half way across, it started to get deeper,
but I was still not worried, I had crossed this river about a year ago in a
Toyota FJ40. (Granted, much can happen in a year's time!) As it was dark,
and there was no obvious exit point on the opposite side of the river to
"aim for", I proceeded. It got DEEP! Then VERY DEEP!, All the Hella lights
(headlights, and additional Hella's) were completely submerged, then, water
over the hood! I "panicked", and immediately threw it into reverse, and
safely backed out. If I had been with another vehicle I'd have probably went
for it, but not that night! We only had probably 20 more feet to go.

As for water leaking... ALL the lights have water in them. :-( Any
suggestions for removing water short of taking them off again? I've heard an
air compressor can help?? Maybe a straw? Only water leaking into the vehicle
was a little bit through the rear doors, one of the weatherstrips at the
bottom was loose, and I've glued it since then.

On another section that I was exploring, I had to turn around, and scraped
the underside of the muffler. ?? Does anyone have a suggestion on relocating
the muffler on a '87 RR that will help the departure angle?? I had this
problem with the Disco as well, only with the Disco, I found out the HARD
way, after bending the body panel and wrapping the muffler half way around
the rear tire!

Well, back to work... LOTS to catch up on...

Dave (U-boat captain) Brown.

P.S. Ray Harder please call me! All my e-mail to you bounces back!
(602) 236-3544 work...      (602) 820-8052 Home.

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 | _ |   |_ |}   | _ |  |   |_ |}    |  _ |--+--|_  |     \_/-\_|__/-\_|}
 "(_)""""(_)"    "(_)"""""""(_)"    ||_/_\___|__/_\_|}      (_)    (_)
                                       (_)      (_)
 1971 "88" IIa   1970 "109" IIa     1994 Discovery (Sold) '87 Range Rover
 LIC: LION B8    Historic plates     (Too hard to "draw")  rear Lock-Right

#=======#          ________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___     /__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}   \_/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 11:37:40 -0800
From: Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY <blckhole@ripco.com>
Subject: Filters for Disco's - Headlight guards

Can anyone tell me the PN for replacement oil filters in '96 Disco's ??

Not the LRNA PN but real world parts from Fram / AC / ect...

ALSO.

Anybody run across headlight rock sheilds for Disco's yet ??  The clear 
polycarbonate type, not the wire kind ??  G2 sez they have these in the 
home market "gear" list, but my local dealer has no knowledge of it.

---------------------------###-----------------------------
PROBE ELECTRONICS 100 Higgins Road, Park Ridge IL 60068 USA
Keith J. Morehouse / WB9TIY / Society of Midwest Contesters
708-696-2828  FAX: 708-698-2045  e-mail: blckhole@ripco.com
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 17:22:58 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Land Rovers for Sale

All, 

Just wanted to pass this along. The S1 I mentioned, as well as several 109's 
pickups, safari's etc., are available from Cheshire Foreign Autos here in 
Keene, NH. 

The guy that runs the place is Dick Bersavent (SP?) can be contacted on 
603-876-4613. You may not find any bargains, but will have plenty of choice 
from used Land Rovers and old ones ready for rebuild. 

Dick serviced my 88 RR and "Beryl, my old SIII. He knows his land rovers. 

Mark

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 17:26:51 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Poor mail order performance

Try BM, or even Land Rover Supermarket. I too tried Craddocks, they take too 
long to ship 6-8 weeks and both orders were wrong. I wrote to John Craddock 
complaining and he never responded, so I wrote to LRO letters, and they never 
published it !!! Guess who is pulling the strings there ? 

We are not alone here in the states, my Dad refuses to order from them and he 
lives in the UK. 

Mark

 

----------
From:  Andy Dingley
Sent:  Wednesday, January 03, 1996 10:05 AM
Subject:  Poor mail order performance

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

> lopezba@atnet.at writes:
&%> And a kick in the behind for a certain UK supplier of LR parts 
&%> who is four weeks late on delivering my brake cylinders, so I 
&%> can not take my favourite vehicle for a spin thru the 15 cm/6 
&%> inches of fresh snow here in Vienna!

Wouldn't be Craddocks by any chance would it ?  I've given up on these
people altogether now. We've placed a bunch of orders with them this
year and _every_ one has had items missing, or just not been shipped
at all. Eventually I realised that the only reason we bought from them
was that they had the big magazine advert - their actual service was
poor.

I now deal with DLS in Matlock (they advertise a yellow & black advert
in LRO). Better prices than Craddocks, and a fast turn around.

--
Andy Dingley                          dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk             
                             

alt.flame - Making the world a safer place for postal workers.

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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 10:10:24 -0800
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Filters for Disco's - Headlight guards

Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY wrote:
 
> Can anyone tell me the PN for replacement oil filters in '96 Disco's ?? 
> Not the LRNA PN but real world parts from Fram / AC / ect...

Keith, probably someone will come up with the part number for you, but I 
thought I ought to mention that my dealer insists I must use original 
filters in order not to have warranty problems; that is, if an 
aftermarket filter fails and causes trouble, repairs would not be covered 
by warranty. Then again, what trouble could an oil filter cause?

-- 

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery V8i

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 03 Jan 96 11:18:01 MST
Subject: Disco CD player

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Brad asks if there's any "special magic" that makes the LR CD player the
only option for a CD changer for the Disco. Short answer: Yes. LR has at a
very minimum switched the cable pins around so only their CD changer will
work with the factory radio. The "FM modulated" units (I have one) are okay,
but not as good. Some of the LR places (Rovers North, British Pacific, etc.)
offer the factory CD changers for a decent price.

Crutchfield's MAY offer an adapter (1-800-955-3000) but they didn't a year
ago when I had my Disco.

Good luck...

#=======#          ________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___     /__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}   \_/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 03 Jan 96 11:20:59 MST
Subject: Disco CD player

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Brad asks if there's any "special magic" that makes the LR CD player the
only option for a CD changer for the Disco. Short answer: Yes. LR has at a
very minimum switched the cable pins around so only their CD changer will
work with the factory radio. The "FM modulated" units (I have one) are okay,
but not as good. Some of the LR places (Rovers North, British Pacific, etc.)
offer the factory CD changers for a decent price.

Crutchfield's MAY offer an adapter (1-800-955-3000) but they didn't a year
ago when I had my Disco.

Good luck...

#=======#          ________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___     /__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}   \_/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 10:30:08 PST
From: Bennett Leeds <bennett@mv.us.adobe.com>
Subject: Re: New and old Rovers, Dealerships

> If I decide that my Green Rover needs a new young sibling, or if 

> anyone asks me where to go to buy a new Rover, I'll point them to 

> the San Jose British Motors. Rover lot.

That would be the exact opposite of the advice I'd give. 

The salesmen I've met know very little about the current models, and  
only one knew anything about Series Rovers. They pulled unethical  
tatics on me during the sales negotiation process. The service  
department has also so far failed in the most rudimentary of customer  
service items - calling the customer when the part they ordered came  
in AND returning a phone calls.

Now maybe they're having growing pains, what with the building of  
their facility and all, but so far my experiences there leave much to  
be desired.

On the other hand, I was treated very well at the Thousand Oaks Land  
Rover Center in southern CA during a recent trip down there (I live  
in No. CA). My "Check Engine" light had come on at Midnight. I called  
the next morning, explained the situation, and they took my car in  
right away and looked at it while I waited there and at the Hummer  
dealership around the corner ;^)). I had asked many questions and got  
courteous answers about everything from accessories to the new Range  
Rover HSE to the obstacle course in front.

When my car was ready, the sales manager comes out and asks if I want  
to try the obstacle course, which of course I accept. He rode along  
with me, instructing me (which I needed). Very patient.

Overall, even though these guys knew I wasn't about to buy a second  
LR or even be down there again any time soon, they took time out for  
me and turned what could have been a real hassle on a trip away from  
home into a pleasurable experience.

- Bennett Leeds

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 03 Jan 96 11:14:46 MST
Subject: Advice on water sealing. (lights, ignition)

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486

Forgot to mention in my last post, (nearly drowning my Range Rover) Any
advice on sealing lights and ignition system? Will petroleum jelly work? (or
will it just melt) Should I glue them shut with silicone? And how about the
distributor? Any long term solutions? (rubber glove on a 4-cyl distributor
is more of a short term solution, besides, this one's a v8.)

Thanks, Dave (u-boat captain) Brown

#=======#          ________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___     /__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}   \_/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 96 10:36:44 PST
From: Bennett Leeds <bennett@mv.us.adobe.com>
Subject: Re: Filters for Disco's - Headlight guards

> my dealer insists I must use original filters in order not to have 

> warranty problems

This is an old scam, and is now, I believe, actually illegal. Routine  
maintenance items do not have to be made or installed by a particular  
company, they just have to meet the specifications set out by the  
factory. 

Thus, you'll note that the oil and filters you buy from Castrol,  
Penzoil, Fram, AC, etc. all state "meets or exceeds factory  
specifications" (or something similar). Your warranty will NOT be  
voided by using them.

Your dealer is just scamming you because they like charging $78 for  
an oil and filter change that someone else would do for less than  
$30.

- Bennett Leeds

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 20:13:43 +0100
From: janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Schokker)
Subject: Military fan or not?

Hello all,

A couple of weeks ago I asked this question about my fan, and the possibility
of replacing it with an electric one. No reply. I decided to be stubborn, and
try again. So here goes (sorry if you have seen it before):

I wrote about electric fans:
--
With my 109 SIII it is not an option to put it in front of the radiator I guess,
because being ex-military it has an enourmous oil-cooler in front of the 
radiator.
--

Then Stefan answered:
--
In that case you would obviously need one mounted behind the rad. On the
other hand I wouldn't remove the propeller from a military model with
an oil cooler. The regular fans on those models are much larger and
stronger than on 'normal' models with only 4 small fan blades. Depending
on how close the propeller is running to the radiator, there might not be
much room left for an additional electric fan.
--
But:
My fan has four small blades, and is only abt. 36 cm in diameter. 
Does this make it a non-military model? If so, how big is a military fan?
If I would remove the fan, there is 7 cm clearance between the fanpulley and the
radiator. That should be enough for an electric fan, right?

The reason I ask is that I am looking for ways to cut down the cost of fuel, 
and get 
a quicker warm-up in winter. I am also following the recent discussion about
Free-wheeling hubs with interest.It will be good for my holliday budget when I 
go to Spain in the summer. Someone claimed an increase in top speed
of 10 mph. That seems a lot!

Thanks,
Jan S. (Not Jan B.)
janjan@xs4all.nl
De Woude, the Netherlands

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From: Ross Leidy <ross@secant.com>
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 14:13:03 0500
Subject: Re: 25% tarriff - MAJOR UPDATE

On 01/02/96 at 11:33 PM, Wdcockey@aol.com penned:

 >The 25% imported truck tarrif NO LONGER APPLIES to 2 door sport utes
 >as a result of a decision law suit (by Nissan I believe). I believe
 >this occured a year or so ago. I recall LRNA quoted in Automotive
 >News as saying this would help there margin on D90's but they would
 >also use part of it to enhance the product. The D90 SW pricing may
 >reflect this.

I heard the same thing from my LR dealer when I purchased my 95 D90.  The tariff was eliminated for the D90s that had the rear seat and rear roll cage installed.  All of the later NAS 95 models came that way as standard equipment.  As a result, the dealer had an early 95 with no rear seat or rear roll cage, and a later one with them, and they were priced nearly identically.

_____________________________________
Ross Leidy  (ross@secant.com)
Secant Technologies, Inc.
95 NAS D90

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Date: 03 Jan 96 14:51:34 EST
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <PREID@csi.compuserve.com>
Subject: PR   01/03 1302  LAND ROVER SETS COMPANY-WIDE RECORDS IN 1995

Thought this would be of interest.

R. P. Reid

              LAND ROVER SETS COMPANY-WIDE RECORDS IN 1995 

                       Sales exceed 20,000 units 

    LANHAM, Md., Jan. 3 /PRNewswire/ -- Land Rover North America, Inc. broke all
previous year-end retail records in 1995, passing the 20,000 mark for the first
time, exceeding such well-known luxury marques as Jaguar and Audi, thus
maintaining North America's status as the world's largest Land Rover export
market. 
    The 20,026 units sold represent a 66 percent increase over 1994's total
sales.  For the month of December, 2,856 retails marked the company's biggest
month ever and the 21st consecutive monthly sales increase, with a 46 percent
rise over the same month in 1994.  The sales tally represents approximately 15
percent of Land Rover's total production, which exceeded 100,000 units this year
for the first time in the company's 47 year history. 
    Charles R. Hughes, president, Land Rover North America, said, "1995 was a
year of records for us in sales, dealerbody size, employment, and product
accolades.  We're proud of our achievements and are aiming at continued growth
in '96. 
    "Demand is strong for every one of our vehicles," Hughes continued, "from
the all-new Range Rover 4.0 SE and sporty 4.6 HSE, to the limited edition
Defender 90 Station Wagon and high-value Land Rover Discovery. In addition to
achieving new sales levels, our products have received a record number of awards
from enthusiast and consumer publications, ranging from Automobile Magazine and
Four Wheeler to Popular Science and Robb Report." 
    Land Rover sales were paced by the nation's first exclusive four-wheel drive
dealership network.  Called Land Rover Centres, these unique automotive outlets
offer sport utility buyers a knowledgeable sales staff, superior customer
service, factory-trained technical support and expert four-wheel drive
instruction, all in a comfortable, relaxed setting. 
    The concept behind the development of Centres in the U.S. is to boost
business by promoting the off-road lifestyle; Centres provide four-wheel drive
vehicle accessories such as ski racks, brush bars and auxiliary lights.  In
addition, the company has this year begun marketing its own line of Land Rover
Gear -- clothing and personal accessories designed specifically for Land Rover
owners. 
    The thirty Centres currently operating around the country have garnered a
blizzard of attention from local and national business and automotive media and
have been recognized as "[providing] a roadmap to the future" of automotive
retailing, according to Business Week.  Land Rover expects to open as many as
forty more Centres by the end of 1996. 
    The North American arm of Britain's best-selling sport utility manufacturer
also posted a record year for wholesale numbers, with a total of 21,631, a 64
percent increase over 1994's 13,178, the previous all-time high. 

                               SALES SUMMARY 

              DECEMBER '95    DECEMBER '94     Y-T-D '95     Y-T-D '94 
              2,856 (+46.4%)     1,951        20,026 (+66.3%)  12,045 

    Range Rover     828           427           6,885          4,082 
    Defender 90     207           127           1,571          1,468 
    Discovery     1,821         1,397          11,570          6,495 

    Land Rover North America, Inc. is a member of the Rover Group of Companies,
importing vehicles manufactured by Land Rover, Solihull, England.  The Rover
Group is a wholly-owned subsidiary of BMW AG. 
    -0-                   1/3/96 
    /CONTACT:  Bill Baker or Jenifer O'Brien of Land Rover, 301-731-9041/ 

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 03 Jan 96 13:14:13 MST
Subject: Mail madness

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
Subject: Mail madness
If I might venture a guess as to what's happening... Maybe someone is using
"reply" to the digest, and it's attaching the entire digest to their note.
That's what would happen if I tried to "reply" or "forward" while reading
the digest.

I've seen this before, part way through the digest, another complete digest,
then the remainder of the first digest. REALLY bothersome!!

#=======#          ________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___     /__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}   \_/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 16:35:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Auxiliary Heaters for anything.

On Tue, 2 Jan 1996 JEPurnell@aol.com wrote:

> This is probably fantasy talk since the cost is high, not for the faint at
> heart, but it just seemed like the answer to all this "cold" talk.  I'm
> thinkin', if I hooked one of these heaters up in my defender, on a remote
> control like the alarm system, and . . . 

	Doesn't JC Whitless have a propane power inline heater available?
	Not cheap, but an idea.  If there was a reasonably priced heater
	to heat the engine that did not require electricity, I and a couple
	others might be interested if shown to work.  If the heater requires
	electricity, they are useless unless their is power at the 
	destination.  (see how well a 109 starts after sitting all day at 
	-20c while you are at work & there are no plug ins.)

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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 05:34:23 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: Advice on water sealing. (lights, ignition)

On 3 Jan 1996 debrown@srp.gov wrote:

> Forgot to mention in my last post, (nearly drowning my Range Rover) Any
> advice on sealing lights and ignition system? Will petroleum jelly work? (or
> will it just melt) Should I glue them shut with silicone? And how about the
  distributor? Any long term solutions? (rubber glove on a 4-cyl distributor
  is more of a short term solution, besides, this one's a v8.)

The first time I took my 110 V8 sailing the motor spluttered and nearly 
died due to water in the distributor. After that I put a bead of silicone 
around the base of the distributor cap before installing it, and also 
around the HT leads, which probably isn't necessary.  Haven't had any 
problems since.

Cheers.

====================================================================
                                      _____________________
                                     /_____________________\
Tony Yates                          |                       |
                                    |                       |
Port Hedland                     _  | _________ _ _________ |  _
Western Australia               |-| |[_________] [_________]| |-|
                                |_|  -----------------------  |_|
                                   \|  \ =============== /  |/
A.Yates@bom.gov.au                   =======================
                                    |o  _ |===========| _  o| 
Opinions expressed                 /|  (_)|===========|(_)  |\
here are almost but                ||o____|===========|____o||
not quite entirely                 ||_______________________||
unlike those of the                \[_______________________]/
Bureau of Meteorology.              |\|/|---\_/---------|\|/|
                                    |\|/|               |\|/|
'85 110 V8 (Pamela)                 -----               -----
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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 14:23:16 -0800
From: russ burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Auxiliary Heaters for anything.

I have an old VW gas heater I am going to install on my D-90 someday.
With the fuel presure from the EFI, I could probably turn the Damn thing
into a jet engine....
Russ Burns
 
>	Doesn't JC Whitless have a propane power inline heater available?
>	Not cheap, but an idea.  If there was a reasonably priced heater
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>	destination.  (see how well a 109 starts after sitting all day at 
>	-20c while you are at work & there are no plug ins.)
Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:42:43 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: ROAV newsletters

The most recent club newsletters are being posted out tonight/tomorrow, and 
as 33 of you on this list are club members, I'm going to say something here 
first.  There is a typo - the club T-shirts are for sale for $15, *not 
$1.5*.  So, any of you wise acres who insist on the latter price will get a 
package alright, but it'll be from the Unabomber instead!  Cheers and Happy 
New Year to all.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: Wes Newman <newmanpp@corcomsv.corcom.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:05:19 AST
Subject: Electrical problems with 1967 109" NADA

Need help....
I need to find a short...I think.  Tried to start my 1967 109 the  
other day and the battery was dead... charged it and the Rover ran  
well for a week, but last night when driving home the instrument  
panel lights went dim and then it would not start after about 2 hours  
when I needed to go.... th battery was completely dead again.  

I know there's a short but how do I find it.

Wes Newman
Anchorage, Alaska

1967 NADA 109 Land Rover

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Date: 03 Jan 96 19:07:38 EST
From: Daniel Polak <100013.511@compuserve.com>
Subject: military vehicles magazine

Sometime ago I asked somebody on the list where to get Military Vehicles
magazine and was given an address to contact them on, I left it that at home. I
am now on holiday in Ft. Lauderdale Florida (I live in the Netherlands, normal
e-mail daniel@sys.nl) I went in to several bookstores and asked about this
magazine. None had it on sale. Is it only available to subscribers? If not where
would I be able to get it?

Please reply directly to my Compuserve address as I am not subscribed to the
list from my Compuserve account.

Daniel Polak

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:35:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Poor mail order performance

In a message dated 96-01-03 14:34:12 EST, you write:

>Wouldn't be Craddocks by any chance would it ?  I've given up on these
>people altogether now. We've placed a bunch of orders with them this
>year and _every_ one has had items missing, or just not been shipped
>at all.

I've had reasonably good luck with Craddocks over the last several years,
including several months ago. I've faxed a request for quote, then faxed the
order and paid by bankcard. Just don't expect genuine unless specified. No
experience with DLS.

David Cockey
Rochester, Michigan

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:39:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Salesmen

Just a thought. Both our SII's were originally purchased by professionals
with good incomes who used thame as second vehicles and never took them
off-road seriously.
Do I detect a similarity to many current Discovery and RR owners.

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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 21:45:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: military vehicles magazine

Daniel,

> Sometime ago I asked somebody on the list where to get Military Vehicles
> magazine and was given an address to contact them on, I left it that at home. I

    That was me!

> am now on holiday in Ft. Lauderdale Florida (I live in the Netherlands, normal
> e-mail daniel@sys.nl) I went in to several bookstores and asked about this
> magazine. None had it on sale. Is it only available to subscribers? If not where
> would I be able to get it?

    I've never seen it on any newsstand...

> Please reply directly to my Compuserve address as I am not subscribed to the
> list from my Compuserve account.

    I'm replying to both places, in case others are interested:

    Military Vehicles Magazine
    PO Box 1748
    Union, NJ 07083
    908-688-6015 9am-12pm Mon-Thurs Eastern time
    fax 908-686-0358 9am-4pm Mon-Thurs Eastern time

    6 issues per year

    USA: 1yr $18/ 2yr $29
    Canada: 1yr $28/ 2yr $49
    All other: 1yr $30/ 2yr $54

    (Higher for first class mailing; US funds on a US bank; no credit cards)

    Back issues are available for $3 each ($5 outside US) [iss's 1,2,5 NLA]

    January 1996 is issue number 53

    It's fun reading, even though I'll probably never actually own the
    duece and a half I'd like to!  Recent issues have seen several very
    nice running *actual* military HMMWV's selling for far less than
    their chintsy civilian counterparts.  Nobody addresses
    street-legality though- that's probably the "problem" that drives
    down the price...

    Duncan

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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 1996 18:47:18 +0000
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: military vehicles magazine

Daniel Polak <100013.511@compuserve.com> writes:
:Sometime ago I asked somebody on the list where to get Military Vehicles
:magazine and was given an address to contact them on, I left it that at home. I
:am now on holiday in Ft. Lauderdale Florida (I live in the Netherlands, normal
:e-mail daniel@sys.nl) I went in to several bookstores and asked about this
:magazine. None had it on sale. Is it only available to subscribers? If not
where
:would I be able to get it?

 It's probably only available by subscription.

 "Army Motors" and "Suppy Line" are published by the
 Military Vehicle Preservation Association (MVPA)
 PO Box 520378, Independance, Missouri, USA 64052-0378
 Ph. 816-737-5111, Fax 816-737-5423, Orders 800-365-5798

 Cheers,

 Michael Carradine, Architect                          Ph/Fax 510-988-0900
 Carradine Studios, PO Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA    <cs@crl.com>
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:09:18 -0500
Subject: Re: New and old Rovers, Dealerships

On  3 Jan 96 at 10:30, Bennett Leeds wrote:
. . . .
> Overall, even though these guys knew I wasn't about to buy a second  
> LR or even be down there again any time soon, they took time out for  
> me and turned what could have been a real hassle on a trip away from  
> home into a pleasurable experience.

And even if they were not motivated out of kindness or brand loyalty
they got something for their work. You told a large number of people
about your experience. So when my sister-in-law in Los Angeles
decides to become an LRO . . . . 

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 22:09:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Filters for Disco's - Headlight guards

On  3 Jan 96 at 11:37, Keith Morehouse-WB9TIY wrote:
. . . .
> Anybody run across headlight rock sheilds for Disco's yet ??  The clear 
> polycarbonate type, not the wire kind ??  G2 sez they have these in the 
> home market "gear" list, but my local dealer has no knowledge of it.

Rovers North has them as "Perspex Lamp Protectpr Set" part STC8932
for US$85. That is the same part number as in the UK accessories
catalog for Discos made after Mar 94. No picture in either place.
Just today I was thinking of getting some myself. 

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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From: BDaviscar@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 23:24:40 -0500
Subject: fuel to burn?

Hi All

My name is Bruce. I am new to the list and the net. I own a 1967 SIIa 88.
I am having a problem with the fuel gauge. It reads empty when full and half
a tank when empty. I had to replace the tank with a used one (there was none
in the 88 when I got it.) the sender worked fine when it was removed from my
brothers 72 SIIA 88
my 88 was positive ground but is now negitive ground. this is most likely why
it reads backwards but the reading half full when empty has me stumped. Can
anyone Help?

Some back ground on the car. When I got it a year ago the engine was stuck,
the trans was in first for life. The landi had been sitting out side a barn
in Wisconson
for two to three years and as best I can tell for about 15 years all
together.
My brother and I have brought it back from the "dead" and it is now my daily
driver.
It looks to have parts from about 5 other landi's on it as it is that many
colors. That is why I  call it Patches. 

so  can anyone help ? PLEASE!!

Bruce,  Chicago
67 SIIA 88
named Patches

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  3 Jan 96 23:25:05 EST
Subject: Re: Electrical problems with 1967 109" NADA

Re: Short:

Sit down with the schematics and think a bit. Whatever it is is fairly heavy 
and is not on the fused circuits, else the fuses would have blown (or did 
they?).

Lights dimming and a battery draining down that fast would make me suspect the 
control box on the charging system, or something primary to the battery 
circuit. Low-amp stuff like lights or the heater would melt wiring before it 
would dim the lights.

As far as finding a short, basically you need to look at the system in a failed 
condition (dim lights and so forth) and start unplugging stuff until the 
problem goes away. The trick is to be methodical - disconnect one thing at a 
time, and reconnect it if it proves to not be the culprit.

Start with the main branches, then find the section that fails and work 
downhill from there.

What was the ammeter reading?

     Alan

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From: Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Connector availability 
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 1996 05:13:03 GMT

Does anyone have a UK source for the multi-pole connectors used on an
'85 Rangie ? These are the round plastic bodies with the rubber water
seal and the round pins. I'm usually happy with my 1/4" spades in
multipole blocks, but they're a little bulky and require a wrap of
self amalgamating tape to waterproof them. 

I can't find them at Lucas, Ripaults or Durite.

Thanks.

--
Andy Dingley                          dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk                                          

alt.flame - Making the world a safer place for postal workers.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 21:20:43 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: military vehicles magazine

Dear Daniel,
Subscribe by writing to 
	Military Vehicles Magazine
	Eagle Press
	P.O. Box 1748
	Union, N.J. 07083
(USA $18/yr or $29/2yr)
The magazine also lists a phone #: 
(908) 688-6015 [Monday-Thurs."9AM-12PM" Eastern Time]

Best wishes, 
David

Is 12PM noon or midnight?!

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