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From: fv67@dial.pipex.com
Subject: discovery radio/Cas
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 08:12:42 GMT

Help

ive just brought a 1992 five door discovery but the radio just shows
154.

any ideas. ive got the code but how do i program it in???

happy christmass

andy waples

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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 02:41:47 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Perry <rxq281@freenet.mb.ca>
Subject: Canadian Ser1 & Fuel filler

I've been unsubscribed and out of touch with the digest for a bit, but LRO
Intl mag can't fill all the needs. Speaking of LRO Intl mag, I noticed in
the current Readers' Rovers section a pic of a Series 1 with cut-back
front wings, which were said to make it look like a version "used by the
Canadian army." Is this so and who knows what about these models (Dixon
K?) and have any survived? I also noticed in same issue that Canadian
UNPROFOR contingent in Bosnia have been using three of the Courtlands
composite-armored LRs. Probably some of the better kit our guys have,
especially compared to the Iltis. The new Western Star trucks are no great
shakes either, so one of the troops told me.
 I'm still looking for the telescopic filler extension, p/n 504656 for my
88" IIA. Local LROs, Octopus and Paul Safari couldn't turn one up for me
here in Canada. Does anyone out there have one? It's no longer available
as a separate item from Genuine Parts. Name your price. I have a few
swappable parts also, if anyone's looking for something. 

Regards

Mark Perry   Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
1966 Ser.IIA 88 Petrol Hardtop 
"Yes, I can see quite well over the spare tire."

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From: fv67@dial.pipex.com
Subject: discovery radio/Cas
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 08:40:33 GMT

Help

ive just brought a 1992 five door discovery but the radio just shows
154.

any ideas. ive got the code but how do i program it in???

happy christmass

andy waples

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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 18:15:39 +0800
From: Oscar M <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: Merry Christmas

To all the regulars on this digest, their rovers, families,  newbies and
would bees :

Merry Christmas to everyone.  May one and all rover on this season and the
next year.

Oscar

omont@mnl.sequel.net
75247.2423@compuserve.com
Philippines

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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 95 12:47:05 +0100
From: Igor Cerutti <igor@tinet.ch>
Subject: Merry Christmas from Switzerland

I'm not very active on the lro-mailing list, because of my english, but I
want also to wish a Merry Christmas to everyone.

SIII '88 Pick Up 1976
RR 3.5 Carb 1984
RR 3.5 Efi 1986
D90 Tdi 1993
kind regards
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Real Name       : Igor Cerutti
Address         : TINET Sagl, Centro Galleria 2, 6928 Manno-Lugano
Country         : Switzerland 
Phone Number    : ++41 91 6108118
Fax Number      : ++41 91 6108119
e-mail          : igor@tinet.ch, http://www.tinet.ch

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 95 9:07:35 PST

T'was the night before Christmas and all through the land.
not a rover was leaking, not even a series one oil pan.
The rovers were all snug and warm in the garage,
with visions of winches and romps through the mud.
Mama in her nighty, and I in my rover cap had just
sat on the couch for a camel trophy recap.
When out on the garage there rose such a rattle
I swore that my D-90 must have shorted out in battle.
I rose from the couch in a rather quick fashion,
and rushed to the garage to see what had happened.
I threw open the door, turned on the light and to my great
surprise, everything was all right.
Then out on the drive I heard a man grumbling, something
about sir Lucas and his great mental fumbling.
As I peered out my window much to my surprise was jolly
Saint Nick in an old green 109.
The fenders were tattered, the bumper askew, the tires were
smoking and letting off fumes, the hood was propped open,
 and tools askew as Jolly old Saint Nick quickly disappeared from my view.
The light lights came on dimly, with the left one on first and
jolly old Saint Nick let out another curse. The grounds, he was 
muttering as he came back in sight, a few whacks with a jack and
bye gosh there was light. He gather his tools and slammed down the
old hood, jumped into the rover and started to move. 
The diesel was clanking ,the smoke was a sight, as the old 109
slowly disappeared from my sight. I watched the lights blink, heard
a cuss in the night "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night,
Sir Lucas you A&^hole why  can't you do anything right....." 

Russ Burns
91 Range ROver
94 D-90

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Merry Christmas
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 95 9:07:35 PST

T'was the night before Christmas and all through the land.
not a rover was leaking, not even a series one oil pan.
The rovers were all snug and warm in the garage,
with visions of winches and romps through the mud.
Mama in her nighty, and I in my rover cap had just
sat on the couch for a camel trophy recap.
When out on the garage there rose such a rattle
I swore that my D-90 must have shorted out in battle.
I rose from the couch in a rather quick fashion,
and rushed to the garage to see what had happened.
I threw open the door, turned on the light and to my great
surprise, everything was all right.
Then out on the drive I heard a man grumbling, something
about sir Lucas and his great mental fumbling.
As I peered out my window much to my surprise was jolly
Saint Nick in an old green 109.
The fenders were tattered, the bumper askew, the tires were
smoking and letting off fumes, the hood was propped open,
 and tools askew as Jolly old Saint Nick quickly disappeared from my view.
The light lights came on dimly, with the left one on first and
jolly old Saint Nick let out another curse. The grounds, he was 
muttering as he came back in sight, a few whacks with a jack and
bye gosh there was light. He gather his tools and slammed down the
old hood, jumped into the rover and started to move. 
The diesel was clanking ,the smoke was a sight, as the old 109
slowly disappeared from my sight. I watched the lights blink, heard
a cuss in the night "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night,
Sir Lucas you A&^hole why  can't you do anything right....." 

Russ Burns
91 Range ROver
94 D-90

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: 	D90 SW
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 95 9:16:08 PST

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> salesman. But I thought without mentioning specifics it was a simple question 
> of making people aware of an opportunity... I'm considering a web page for the 
I enjoy hearing your posts. If you sell used landrovers over this forum,
why not new ones. I enjoy one of the few inroads this news group has to
lrna. Keep up the good work.

Russ Burns
91 R-Rover
94 D-90
95 D-90 SW (still waiting)

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Date: 24 Dec 95 12:48:24 EST
From: "AMEDEO (Denver, CO)" <102505.3511@compuserve.com>
Subject: Salesmen

	
I was reading Jim Pappas defensive comments. I am also in sales ( at 
Land-Rover Denver East). I have been seeing many offensive remarks
aimed at sales people. Some sales people are rookies and may not have
a lot of knowledge. Others are Land Rover owners like yourselves.
Whatever you guys do in your jobs you must make great profits because you
are able to afford these expensive machines. So don't gives us any crap
about making a profit when selling you these toys. " People who live in glass
houses should not throw stones" and that goes for you lawyers, doctors, and
miscellaneous high priced consultants.

Wishes for a civilised New Year.

Amedeo Luttwak
  

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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 11:24:50 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Merry Christmas from Switzerland

On Sun, 24 Dec 1995, Igor Cerutti wrote:

> I'm not very active on the lro-mailing list, because of my english, but I
> want also to wish a Merry Christmas to everyone.

Hello Igor,

Thank you for your season greetings to the LRO list.  I would like to 
extend my season's greetings to you and your family as well.  

I would also like to encourage you to be more active on the LRO list
without concern for your English.  There are many non-english speakers on
the List, and even those of us who are "native" speakers have our
difficulties.

I'm looking forward to hearing of your experiences with your fleet of 
Land Rovers.

Walter Swain
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 
              * Walter C. Swain         | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us       *
              * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover              * 
              * Davis, California       | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW *
              * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 20:48:58 +0100
From: avdende@nik.publishnet.nl (Andre van den ende)
Subject: Bulk

>From: Dmvt <taz@pi.net>
>Subject: 2.5 Diesel engines
>Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 22:09:12 +-100

>I'm planning to buy an 1979 88'' LR SIII 2.5 D.
>Now I'm wondering is this a standard rover engine?
>Or is this a Mercedes engine?
>Either way how much bhp should it give?

It is a original Rover-engine
They made it from the old 2.25 engine.
It is arround 70 bps

A mery Xmas and a hapy new year for everyone.

greetings, Andre van den Ende
Land Rover Club Holland
LR 90 TDintercooler '87

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Date: 24 Dec 95 15:31:24 EST
From: "A  D. Cobb" <71643.2453@compuserve.com>
Subject: Why Buy a RR 4.0 SE

Hello All,
	First I am NOT currently a Land Rover Owner, But I am considering a RR
4.0 SE. I currently have a 94 GMC Suburban which, while comfortable, is just
larger than I care to drive around town in. The 'burban is best on the wide open
interstates, its hard to beat its long wide wheel base ride. Frankly the 'burban
is kind of boring otherwise.
	I have a couple of friends who think I should get a Chevy Tahoe or GMC
Yukon. No question they are cheaper than the RR, however I'm looking for the
best 4WD, not the cheapest. I live in  the middle of heavy snow country ( snow
belt of upstate NY... 50" so far in December ) so I am interested in winter
performance/traction.
	Can you nice folks give me some ammo to toss at my pals as to why the RR
is the best ?

Art Cobb
Clinton, NY

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From: CpaulP@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 16:18:16 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Has anyone re located the ECU unit in a '95 D-90 from under the passenger
seat tool compartment? I have heard that it is a safer (water problems etc)
location if moved to under the dash as in the 94's.  Any thoughts on problems
or ease of moving would be appreciated. Thanks. 

Paul Patsis
'95 D-90

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 24 Dec 95 16:01:51 EST
Subject: Re: Salesmen

102505.3511 @ compuserve.com ("AMEDEO (Denver, CO)") said:

>Whatever you guys do in your jobs you must make great profits because you
>are able to afford these expensive machines. So don't gives us any crap
>about making a profit when selling you these toys. 

Amadeo,

Let me be a bit blunt. I am not rich, nor would I waste my money with an 
attitude like this. I built my 109 myself, starting with a driveable but 
tattered beginning. It is NOT a toy. It is a daily driver which earns its keep 
and then some - commuting, hauling, pulling stumps and dealing with all the 
little problems a homeowner can have.

It is this elitist attitude that would prevent me from ever setting foot in a 
Land-Rover dealership.  

"You're rich, so just put up with it. We can afford to soak you, 'cause you're 
too stupid to complain."

I find this attitude about as amusing as the attitude of the parts department 
of the local Land-Rover dealership. "Buy a new one....you're rich. We won't 
sell parts for the old Series vehicles." 

It is exactly this horse's butt attitude which will prevent me from buying from 
LRNA. I do NOT buy TOYS. I buy for capability and functionality.

 If I wanted a toy I could find something far more expensive and less ugly than 
my 109. I wanted something that WORKED, was reliable and that I wouldn't need 5 
tons of electronic widgetry to repair when needed.

My 109 has an Alpine stereo, CD player and as much comfort as I'll ever need. 
What it does noty have is the electronic and mechanical frippery that car 
manuifacturers seem to think is necessary in this day and age.

And they wonder why I dislike most car dealers...

  Not pleased with this tripe, Alan

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 16:53:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Why Buy a RR 4.0 SE

>>Can you nice folks give me some ammo to toss at my pals as to why the RR is
the best ?

Popular Science had a great article sport utes a month or so ago.  The drove
a group of them (the Explorers, Grand Cherokees, Tahoes, etc from Detroit to
GM's cold weather test track in the Michigan UP.  On the way they got caught
in a hellatious blizard, so not only did they report on the test track
results, but their personal opinions of the trucks in real life situations.
 The Range Rover won the tests, and the hearts, hands down.  Nothing even
came close, including the Discovery.  The article is worth finding.  It goes
in depth into the drive train systems of all the trucks.  It's pretty
interesting to see the slapped together systems some of the trucks had.  The
Explorer was not too good.

Check it out. -  Tony

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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 17:58:43 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: silver plate

I know there is someone in Land Rover space that can answer my question.  
I want to try silver plating a few of the bad contacts in my Lucus parts 
in the Land Rover.  I know when I was a kid there was somethng in Popular 
Science or Mechanics Illustrated that use a car battery and some chemical 
to put a silver surface on metal.  I would like to do a few contacts and 
see if that stops the problems we all seem to have from time to time.  
For you others trying to repair the panals on your Land Rover, there was 
a thread about 6 months ago when someone was looking for threaded inserts 
that would allow you to put a bolt into a panal etc.  Today (yes Sunday!) 
I bought a tool and inserts called Nutsert insert fasteners.  The model 
is an MSK-1 from a company called Avdeel Corp.  There is no address on 
the box but it says made in the USA.  The local car dealer says they use 
them to put roof racks on vans etc. and they love them.  The tool works 
something like a pop rivet tool except you turn a handle that has a 
threaded rod inside the insert and it spreads the back of the insert.  
The inserts are aluminum so they won't cause galvanic action with the LR 
body.  I think if anyone could just buy the inserts, you could install 
them using a bolt with a washer under it and just tighten till the insert 
spreads.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 15:36:43 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Salesmen

Wow, Amedeo.  That's some note.  

Personally I find it comforting to know that people closer to LRNA and
Solihull are on the Net and subscribe to the List(s).  In my opinion you and
others who are part of the dealers' network should be encouraged to put any
rumors and other misinformation to right.  Why haven't we been hearing from
you?  Jim Pappas does post once in a while with good inside information
about the goings on at Land Rover, and I hope he continues to do so.  Maybe
by some miracle someone at LRNA or -- dare I wish it -- Land Rover in
Solihull will join the List.  I also don't mind the occasional sales pitch
as long as the List doesn't start to look like a bazaar.  Remember: there
are people from all over the world on this list.  I would seriously doubt
that LROs in Australia or South Africa are going to go to Denver or Boston
to buy their next Rover.

Sales people have been lambasted in the Lists, true, but from what I've
read, it's been limited to the bozos.  It is my opinion that the bozos
should be exposed.  I'm not sure that anyone has given anyone else any
"crap" for making a profit.  However, one can't help but wonder at the
pricing policies on parts and accessories of the various dealers.  Maybe you
could shed some light on why an oil filter for a '95 NAS Discovery costs
US$11.80 and an air filter costs US$18.80.  How much are these items in the
UK?  One can but hope that the US prices don't reflect some pervasive
opinion at Land Rover North America and its dealerships that if people can
afford to buy these expensive machines, then it's okay to gouge them on the
price of parts.

I think you've also been unkind and unfair to the Series LROs, but I'll let
them recount their mistreatments at the hands of LRNA and its dealers.  Be
prepared for an earful.  You've got it coming.

Here's hoping your holiday weekend improves.

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California

At 12:48 24.12.95 EST, AMEDEO (Denver, CO) wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
>miscellaneous high priced consultants.
>Wishes for a civilised New Year.
>Amedeo Luttwak

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 18:38:09 -0500
Subject: Washer fluid and wives

Skip Coghill said:

> This is the first
>time in my life that the reservoir completely swallowed the WHOLE >bottle 
>and I did not have to store 22% of the remaining solution in my garage or
>top off my wives car.

>Guess its' the small things in life that make me happy!  :-)

>Skip Coghill
 
Hi Skip,Just curious, How many wives do you have?
And do they share one car??  ;>)

Bob B

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Date:     Sun, 24 Dec 95 20:10:59 EST (0110Z)
From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil>
Subject:  Re:  Salesmen

I have to add my two cents worth.  I have had a Series III since March 95.
Since that time, I have been treated like whale dung at the Richmond, VA dealer
(with the notable exception of two of the mechanics who drive Series vehicles).
When I drive in with the wife's car - I get a lukewarm reception.  "yeah,
whaddya want?  Oh, wanna look at a Discovery, yeah that's over here, no wait
that's a Defender, the Discovery's the one with that looks like the old Buick."
If I drive in with the Series - I don't even get the time of day.  It was
interesting to note the lead ad in the Richmond Times-Dispatch this weekend.
Five vehicles listed for Land Rover Richmond, the first four being used
vehicles of someone elses (US & Japanese) manufacture.  The last was a Defender
90 (and in small print).

You want to cut down the vehicles that have made Land Rover great.  Fine.  You
seem to have the same attitude that BMW has.  Lets sell the name, who cares
about the rest.  I think I have a soap box from which to speak on this one too,
having driven 2002s and 3.0s in Germany and seeing the old "blue and white"
turning away from drivers and owners in Europe in the early '80s to chase the
almighty dollar.

If you want to sell a product, fine.  I have no problem with that.  Go sell
soap or infomercials.  A few of us "Luddites" will still be out there in our 25
year plus vehicles knowing what life is really all about.

To my fellow LROs, my apologies for taking up the band width.

Larry

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Why Buy a RR 4.0 SE
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 95 19:12:26 PST

> 	Can you nice folks give me some ammo to toss at my pals as to why the RR
> is the best ?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Art Cobb
> Clinton, NY
Art,

When I was looking for a good offroad vehicle that could pull a trailer,
I looked at Range Rovers as an over priced yuppy mobile. High priced
and a joke. The only reason I went to the dealership was to see the
93 defender 110. Since I buy a offroad vehicle from the bottom up,
I promply crawled under a Range Rover classic.  This type of behaviour
is frowned upon in most car dealers. Usually after I emerge from my
15 minute crawl under a truck, none of the salepeople will even talk to me.
I was quite suprised to find a sales person who not only asked me how I
liked the undercarrage, but wondered if I wanted to take a test drive.

The point is If you take the time to crawl under a Range Rover you will
notice that it is built. I personally prefer the Range Rover classic,
or the Disco to the 4.0. Only because I plan to abuse my rovers for a 
long time, and do not feel that electric seats, and air suspension
gizmos will hold up to the abuse.
That does not mean that the 4.0 in not a better truck, it just doesn't
fit with my quirks.

One of my friends own a surban, and I loaned him my Range Rover for
a trip to the national rally out in Colorado. We both pulled popup
camper sand he was amazed at how stable the Rover pulled a trailer.
After off roading in Co. he promply went out and bought a used Range Rover.
The Rover tradition has to build the best Off Road trucks. So far
not one of their trucks has let down the reputation.

I have been very happy with mine. are they worth the money? no, but
what truck is. I will say that Rovers have been the best value for
the money in my situation.

Russ Burns
91 Range Rover
94 D-90
95 D-90 SW on order

 

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Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 22:50:47 -0500 (EST)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Happy Christmas to Everyone...

As most roverfolk know, it wasn't reindeer that pulled santa's sleigh, it 
was actually Moose...

Merry Christmas to All and Happy New Year for 1996!
Thanx for a great year and here's to many More!

Happy Holidays From Steve And Moose!

	_________________________________
	|_______|_______|_______|_______|	"Moose"
	|   ____________    |	   |	\\	'73 III 88"
	|  /  	  |	\   |  	   |	 \\      ________
     	|  |	  |	|   |	   |	  \\    |        |
	|  \______|_____/   |______|_______\\___|________|__
	|___________________|_______________|---------------\
	|  []    []    []   |		    | 0		    |)
	|                   |--]	    |               |		
       _|    /	 OOOOO      |		    |      OOOOO    |__
      |_|____I OO o o OO ___|_______________|___ OO o o OO ____|
	   0  OO o 0 o OO			OO o 0 o OO
	       OO  o  OO     "Tread Lightly"     OO  o  OO
              	 OOOOO				   OOOOO
       		           Florida Rover Canvas
	Steve Swiger   
	swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu
	(813) 874-5391
	(813) 253-0905 (Work)

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 24 Dec 95 23:46:34 EST
Subject: Re: silver plate

There are ploating pens on the market that will do just what you ask for. All 
they require is a 12-15 volt DC power supply, as they're already charged with 
an electrolyte solution. All you need to do is hook the power supply to the 
pen, ground the item to be plated and brush it on.

Check with McMaster-Carr hewre in hte States or the equivalent industrial 
supplier in Canada.

If this is not good for you, prowl your nearest electronics supplier. Pre-EPA, 
there were silver contact plating solutions available for just this purpose on 
the shelf at most suppliers. Try there.....

    Joyeux Noel, Alan

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From: JFisk1120@aol.com
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 1995 01:52:23 -0500
Subject: "My Rover Trips"

To the tune of "The Twelve Days of Christmas".......

On my first Rover trip my true love gave to me....a poncho with a green hood.
On my second Rover trip my true love gave to me....2 leather gloves.
On my third Rover trip my true love gave to me....3 topo maps.
On my fourth Rover trip my true love gave to me....4 bird calls.
On my fifth Rover trip my true love gave to me....5 forded streams.
On my sixth Rover trip my true love gave to me....6 miles of gravel.
On my seventh Rover trip my true love gave to me...7 Rovers wading.
On my eighth Rover trip my true love gave to me....8 tailpipes smoking.
On my ninth Rover trip my true love gave to me....9 picnic lunches.
On my tenth Rover trip my true love gave to me....10 hills-a-climbing.
On my eleventh Rover trip my true love gave to me....11 mud pits splashing.
On my twelfth Rover trip my true love gave to me....12 rocky ledges.

Santa just finished his rounds at our house.....so we are calling it "and to
all a good night"!  May your holiday season be merry and bright....with peace
and happiness to all our Rover friends around the world.  Your friendship and
support truly means alot to our family!

Peace and goodwill,
Howard and Jan Fisk
Springfield, Missouri USA

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