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1 | Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-m | 25 | What happend to the online list???? |
2 | "Steve Reddock" [steve_r | 19 | LRO Submissions Police |
3 | wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter d | 32 | Series IIA power steering (again) |
4 | IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILL | 19 | Re: Series IIA power steering (again) |
5 | Mark Murphy [Mark.Murphy | 40 | High Flow Air Filter For the Discovery |
6 | "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE | 32 | Re: Salisbury Rear in 88" |
7 | Karl Kurz [kkurz@acad.um | 28 | Re: Trailers and trailering |
8 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 16 | Re: Dixon Kenner |
9 | Karl Kurz [kkurz@acad.um | 33 | Re: Trailers and trailering (fwd) |
10 | GElam30092@aol.com | 15 | Another movie, another LR |
11 | ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi | 17 | Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy |
12 | Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu | 34 | Trailers and trailering |
13 | Robert Dennis [73363.427 | 64 | Re: Salisbury / Lockers / HD Half Shafts |
14 | GElam30092@aol.com | 23 | Front receiver-mounted bracket for lights? |
15 | Stephen Thomas [stephen. | 56 | Disco Audio System |
16 | jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben | 25 | US v8's in Rangies and my new motor!! |
17 | "Jon Moody (BME)" [mood@ | 6 | unsubscribing.... |
18 | "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE | 36 | Re: Salisbury / Lockers / HD Half Shafts |
19 | cs@crl.com | 41 | Re: Series IIA power steering (again) |
20 | "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak | 127 | Re: Plushmobiles |
21 | m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fu | 35 | Range Rover Climate Control |
22 | Benjamin Allan Smith [be | 47 | Re: Axles |
23 | "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak | 24 | Re: Plushmobiles |
24 | Harincar@mooregs.com (Ti | 31 | Shocks & springs for Series |
25 | Fred Ellsworth [fellswor | 36 | Series of questions II |
26 | Benjamin Allan Smith [be | 30 | [not specified] |
27 | "Robert Watson (CNA)" [a | 45 | RE: wading of plushmobiles |
28 | DEBROWN@pabvmsys.SRP.GOV | 38 | LR is a LR. |
29 | cyoungso@Direct.CA (Chri | 31 | Goodyear G90 tires |
30 | cs@crl.com (Michael Carr | 46 | Re: Series of questions II |
31 | "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE | 16 | Re: LR is a LR. |
32 | maddeng@Apple.com (gary | 11 | Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
33 | howtaw@hg.uleth.ca | 38 | Resent topics |
34 | ericz@cloud9.net | 26 | Where oh where to put those lockers! |
35 | [Chris_Browne@us014-bost | 16 | More sightings on TV |
36 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 22 | Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest |
37 | IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILL | 25 | Re: Shocks & springs for Series |
38 | cs@crl.com (Michael Carr | 66 | Re: Shocks & springs for Series |
39 | Wdcockey@aol.com | 16 | Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy |
40 | rover@pinn.net (Alexande | 24 | Disco pricing |
41 | "Gerald" [g@ix.netcom.co | 12 | Front receiver |
42 | Benjamin Allan Smith [be | 25 | [not specified] |
43 | slade@teleport.com (Mich | 69 | Re: D90SW |
44 | Dave White [davew@landie | 27 | Re: Salisbury for 88 |
45 | Benjamin Allan Smith [be | 24 | [not specified] |
46 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 17 | Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy |
47 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 24 | Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy |
48 | Russell Burns [burns@cis | 25 | Re: Disco pricing |
49 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 19 | Re: Shocks & springs for Series |
50 | Robert Dennis [73363.427 | 59 | Re: Airlockers, Diffs, Shafts & More |
51 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 20 | Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy |
52 | Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em | 15 | Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy |
53 | LeCompteDW@silver-po.biz | 53 | Disco pricing |
54 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 23 | Re:the nuts and bolts of stage 1's |
55 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 14 | Re: SII, SIII and beer caps |
56 | Benjamin Allan Smith [be | 27 | [not specified] |
57 | Benjamin Allan Smith [be | 24 | [not specified] |
58 | cs@crl.com (Michael Carr | 31 | WWW Aftermarket Parts (Was: Shocks & springs for Series) |
59 | dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu | 23 | Re:Stage 1 stuff |
60 | Benjamin Allan Smith [be | 29 | [not specified] |
From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de Subject: What happend to the online list???? Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:47:46 +0100 (MET) Hi all, Can anybody tell what happend to the online lro-list? last week I got a message from the Major that I had been shifted to the digest. Resubscribtion was unsucessful. I don't like this digest, since I usually read just a part of the listmails, which is much easyer if they don't come in big bunch. Please email me directly for I don't have the time to read through the whole digest in the moment. Many Thanks, Franz -- Franz Parzefall tbr1102@hpmail.lrz-muenchen.de _______ [____|\_\== [_-__|__|_-] exmil. 110 2.5D ___.._(0)..._.(0)__.._ ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 04:47:41 EST From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com> Subject: LRO Submissions Police Hi all, the last two digests made it to me as notes, not files! Hooray!! Whatever happened has worked, thank you. The delights of living in mainframe land are that the mail reader decides you have a file if it is wider than a note. Some systems are just too flexible. Regards Sgt A. Nally-Retentive LRO submissions Police. Steve Reddock Product Evaluation, 26/12 Xyratex Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450 Int.721-4450 REDDOCK at HVTVM Internet: Steve_Reddock@UK.XYRATEX.COM ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 12:04 GMT-0200 From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal) Subject: Series IIA power steering (again) I don't believe it! Does _nobody_ know the answer, or don't you people like me? :-) So I'll continue making a nuisance of myself, to whit : What is the accepted / best / easiest / cheapest way to fit power steering to a series landy? I'll be doing a chassis-up resto soon, and I'd like the SO to be able to drive the beast too. Please remember that I'm on the other side of the world, I can't just buy a kit and stick it in. I would probably have to cannabalise something to find the correct steering relay or whatever. Thanks Wouter -- Wouter de Waal ZS1KE GE>AT d-(pu) s+:-- a- C++$ UL+ U*+$ P>++ L++ E- W N+++>++ Argo 505 / FT200 !o K w(--) !O !M V(--) PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP>++ t 5? X? R? tv>--- b+++ DI+ D+ G e+++(*) h--- r+++ y+++(*) '72 Puma - 1700 FI Type IV engine Perseverance my son, '6? Series IIA SW - factory fitted Lucas immobiliser it's a Land/ /Rover "All journeys end when we reach our destination but the journeying remains a thing apart, unique unto itself. Most of us make life's journeys without understanding that the journeying is a separate thing." -- Bob Hoover ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:30:20 From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Subject: Re: Series IIA power steering (again) As a newbie in the Rover Force, I'm not sure if I am qualified to make technical suggestions, however an open forum is just that so... It seems to me a difficult and expensive undertaking to install power steering in a series truck as it involves redesigning the entire linkage. In addition that's one more belt for the engine to drive (and to shred) as well as plumbing that is probably going to give trouble in the future. I would advise that you follow the KISS(see below) principle when going about a modification of this sort. The Rover engineers probably installed the Armstrong steering for a reason-it won't fail on you when just when you need it the most. (Keep It Simple,Stupid) ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 06:56:44 -0700 From: Mark Murphy <Mark.Murphy@evolving.com> Subject: High Flow Air Filter For the Discovery When I tried to order a K&N air filter for my 1995 Discovery, RN told me that the filter didn't fit and that K&N was re-engineering it. Well, I checked back in October and still no air filter. In frustration, I started looking for information on other air filters, I found this: > Here's the info I have on air filter performance. Tests were done using > SAE J726C Test Method 5-best --> 1-worst [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)] > KotLS KotLE DotD #0003 I'm not really a chemist, I'm just one of > 900SS K100RS 501 CAMEL them motorsickle sonsabitches. __=o&o>__ Now, I haven't done any research on Ed Hackett or the Desert Research Institute so I can't vouch for the validity of the above data. Instead, I found an AMSOIL dealer on the web and asked about their air filter. Figured I could buy one and run my own test. After correcting a typo in the AMSOIL catalog, we found they didn't make an air filter for the Discovery either. However, the dealer mentioned that with the dimensions, an air filter could probably be made. I went one better and sent them a Land Rover air filter (ESR 1445). Well, after two months of email and smail, I received the official letter from AMSOIL - the part number is S1694, cost is $37.95 plus shipping of $3.50 for a total or $41.25 (2-4 weeks delivery for this special order air filter). I have ordered an air filter and will post the results on its fit/finish, any differences in size/shape and any changes to power/gas milage. I ordered mine through Bob Cameron (AMSOIL dealer 397110) at nmau21a@prodigy.com. Bob answered all my questions, organized the correct technical people at the AMSOIL manufacturing plant (to whom I shipped the Land Rover air filter) who then made the correct filter. Actually, I don't know if the S1694 air filter is a newly designed filter or an exact match with a filter initially designed for another vehicle. Mark Murphy mmurphy@evolving.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:09:36 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Salisbury Rear in 88" ericz@cloud9.net writes: Snip > If you're going to put a locker in, the general wisdom is to put it up front > (with locking hubs) on a part-time 4x4, less wear on the diffs that way. Snip Hmmm, I'd have to dissagree here. I don't know what "general wisdom" is being refered to, but all I've heard, read and that logic tells me is just the opposite. With a locker in the front you have at least two problems, depending on the type. With the automatic (Detroit style) locker you could get your vehicle thrown to the side when it engages, which could be dangerous in some off road situations. And on road too, for that matter, if you forget and leave your hubs engaged. With the manual full locker (ARB type) it's hard to steer with the locker engaged. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:14:01 -0500 (EST) From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu> Subject: Re: Trailers and trailering > Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:49:12 -0500 > From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice) [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > >utility trailer for hauling and junkyard runs. Any advice and/or horror story > >would be appreciated. I've been hauling an ex-US military 1/4 ton trailer with my 88 British military for several years now and couldn't be happier with it. Toss in compleate kitchen etc and head into the Maine woods regularly. A couple of nice features are the 16" wheels., pintle hitch(can't be borrowed easily) and the water tight integrity, also a spare aluminium Rover top fits perfectly for top seal, just hauled a half cord of long ash out to the camp yesterday in some snow and ice. The generator fits nice when remods and improvements need to be done. Also there is somewhat of a glut on the market as these units were used behind jeeps that are now obsolete, the HUM-V uses a different unit, so as a result, the local knacker sells them for $300-$400 and you can get them for much less if you go to the auctions. The only thing that I would do to improve it would be to modify the hubs to accept Rover rims so that I would have two emergengy spares not using up valuable space. Karl Kurz Washington County Maine ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:29:08 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Dixon Kenner On Sun, 17 Dec 1995 ASFCO@aol.com wrote: > Dixon; would you kindly contact me with your correct e-mail address. > Have tried dkenner@emrl.eml.ca a couple times with messages returned as > unknown. Thanks Steve dkenner@emr1.emr.ca if you like to type, just dkenner@emr.ca if you want to save a few keystrokes, though this may change to forestry.ca in the future (changed sectors within Natural Resources Canada, though am unsure if I am a tree hugger or a clear cutter... They will tell me... :-) Now, where are those logging road maps... :-)) ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:39:45 -0500 (EST) From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu> Subject: Re: Trailers and trailering (fwd) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:14:01 -0500 (EST) From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu> Subject: Re: Trailers and trailering > Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:49:12 -0500 > From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice) [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > >utility trailer for hauling and junkyard runs. Any advice and/or horror story > >would be appreciated. I've been hauling an ex-US military 1/4 ton trailer with my 88 British military for several years now and couldn't be happier with it. Toss in compleate kitchen etc and head into the Maine woods regularly. A couple of nice features are the 16" wheels., pintle hitch(can't be borrowed easily) and the water tight integrity, also a spare aluminium Rover top fits perfectly for top seal, just hauled a half cord of long ash out to the camp yesterday in some snow and ice. The generator fits nice when remods and improvements need to be done. Also there is somewhat of a glut on the market as these units were used behind jeeps that are now obsolete, the HUM-V uses a different unit, so as a result, the local knacker sells them for $300-$400 and you can get them for much less if you go to the auctions. The only thing that I would do to improve it would be to modify the hubs to accept Rover rims so that I would have two emergengy spares not using up valuable space. Karl Kurz, N1JZY Washington County, Maine ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: GElam30092@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:26:15 -0500 Subject: Another movie, another LR My wife dragged me to see Sabrina this weekend.. she like Harrison Ford. Spotted an older Range Rover in the Paris scene and Ford drove a new 4.0 in the Martha Vineyards scene. The movie was fair. One disappointing part was Angie Dickinson. She looks amazing like Tammie Faye Baker now. Gerry E. Phx.AZ ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:07:43 -0500 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith) Subject: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy Dear all, In a email yesterday someone said, we all own Rovers, lets poke fun at Jeeps or Toyotas. Well I have a good one that some of you may or may not know. Did you know that the first ever Camel Trophy was run in Jeeps. Yup, that's right the things we all love to hate. They found that the vehicles could not take to abuse of a true off road adventure, so they had to switch to Land Rover products. Bring that fact up next time someone tries to say his Jeep is better than your Rover, be it a series I or a Disco! Mike Smith, ECR ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Trailers and trailering Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 16:15:25 GMT Never had any trouble towing horse boxes with my 88". Diesel,to boot.Double axle trailers,with mechanical overrun brakes(which rarely work,in my experience). Even had to load two horses in a shopping precinct after dark,once.The lorry carrying them broke down on the return journey from a show.The two girls got them out and rode them forward,while I went and borrowed a trailer,and as it happened met them at this shopping precinct.There was so much clobber and people in the back of the Land Rover,the jockeys had to ride with the horses in the front of the trailer.It was OK,though.The horses didnt mind. Also fetched a couple of Mk1 Ford Cortinas for a guy who lived across the road.Double axled flatbed trailer this time.First one was OK,but the second bastard was an almost complete wreck,wheels binding,steering arms broken,and as full as ever it could stick with spare parts.Loading *that* caused a lot of inventive language. Unloading it increased the vocabulary even more.The towing was the easy bit. FWIW I reckon the 88" is a good tool for towing.Your rules in the US may be different,though,and you tend to go farther afield,I would think. Our approach(locally,anyway) is to hitch it up,and if it wont move,its a bit too heavy.Dont tell the rozzers though........ Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 18 Dec 95 11:53:56 EST From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Salisbury / Lockers / HD Half Shafts Tom Rowe writes: >>ericz@cloud9.net writes: Snip > If you're going to put a locker in, the general wisdom is to put it up front > (with locking hubs) on a part-time 4x4, less wear on the diffs that way. Snip Hmmm, I'd have to dissagree here. I don't know what "general wisdom" is being refered to, but all I've heard, read and that logic tells me is just the opposite. << Tom, I have to agree with you. In fact, if the ARB installation is done correctly for two axles, the front will not engage unless the rear has been activated. I think it would be better to put a LSD on the front than a locker, unless you use the airlocker. The nice thing about the air Lockers is that they are quickly and easily activated, and if you have them on both axles they are independent of each other. So while it is true that steering would be a B**** with a front diff locked, you could switch it off for sharp turns and then back on when your through. Besides, I don't see a airlocker as something that stays on very long, mainly to get you through a tough section, or out of a jam, and then turn it off. I think that I have decided against the Salisbury. Yesterday I compared a 109 axle with the 88. The 109 springs ride outboard of the frame rails, while the 88 springs go under the frame. It would be necessary to cut the spring mounts and reweld them a couple inches over. Even with a plasma cutter I think I might have a little trouble getting them off moved and in the correct location without losing some height. Besides the underside of the axle is a little different between the two vehicles which might require further modifications. Then there is the drive shaft which needs to be shortened. I think it would be wiser just to but in some heavy duty half shafts, and hope for the best. So this brings me to my question of the day. Does anyone have any experience with heavy duty aftermarket half shafts. I know that British Northwest sells some, but Charles has not been high on anyones list lately. I seem to recall that there are several different types, but I don't remember the differences between them. Are these unbreakable? Has anyone damaged something else in the drivetrain because of stronger shafts? As always, your help is very appreciated. ------------------- | | | | _ _ ____|____ _ _ | Rob Dennis O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O 73363.427@Compuserve.com \____===_======_===____/ Atlanta, GA USA |oo |(_%%%%%_)| oo| (404) 875-4537 | | %%###%% | | | | %%###%% | | 1972 SerIII 88 |_____|_#%@@@%#_|_____| 1990 RangeRover [_________//_\\_________] |\/| |\/| Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com On 18-Dec-1995 ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: GElam30092@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:15:36 -0500 Subject: Front receiver-mounted bracket for lights? I’ve wanted to add an additional set of lights to the front of my Discovery but have hesitated due to the fact that I really need some flexibility. I really need two different sets of lights depending on the activity. Would a receiver mounted T-bar-type device work? I already have a front receiver and Warn winch setup.. If I have a square device that comes out of the receiver an inch or two, goes up and possibly back a bit, topped off by a T-bar, I could mount the lights on it. Then, I would only need one light switch with a quick disconnect for each set of lights mounted on two different brackets. I could interchange one for the other depending on my needs. Or, I could leave them off completely. Am I missing something? Seems extremely simple.... What do you folks think? Or is there already something on the market? Gerry E. Phx, AZ ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:28:57 -0500 From: Stephen Thomas <stephen.thomas@tridom.com> Subject: Disco Audio System Gentle Readers: >I wonder if this is related to the several second delay in 96 Disco >radios before any sound comes on. Someone guessed this was to allow >time for the aerial to rise, Actually, I'd probably just give Land Rover (or maybe that's Pioneer) credit for good audio design. The turn-on delay is in the amplifier, not the radio head unit. This is considered good practice as it prevents the amplifier from playing (potentially speaker-damaging) transients that the head unit may generate when it is first turned on. (Now, if you're hearing buzzing during this turn-on delay, you do have a minor problem. If it bugs you, a good audio shop ought to be able to track down the noise source and quiet it for you.) At the risk of offending the sensibilities of the Series owners out there, let me also take a shot a defending LR against those that have complained that the volume is too low on the Disco stereo. Good audio design suggests that the signal level from the head unit to the amplifier be as high as practical. That way much of the noise present in an auto environment (which is typically at a level independent of the signal) is drowned out by the signal. And what controls the signal level from the head unit to the amp? The volume control. So, the best setup is one in which the listener has to turn the volume control up nearly all the way. I'd personally judge the Disco setup to be about perfect in this respect, but it is a subjective standard. If you like your music at hearing-loss-inducing levels, or if you frequently play poorer quality cassettes (pre-recorded cassettes generally fall under this category), the volume may be too low. I haven't poked around with the Disco's amplifier, but most amps include a level or sensitivity control. If one exists, you should be able to adjust it to accommodate your musical tastes and/or sources. (Maybe someone with a shop manual can check this out?) --Stephen >but the NAS cars don't offer the >electric aerial which you can get in the U.K. ____________________________________________________________ Stephen Thomas AT&T Tridom Phone: (770) 514-3522 840 Franklin Court Fax: (770) 514-3491 Marietta, GA 30067 USA Email: stephen.thomas@tridom.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 12:31:14 EST From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) Subject: US v8's in Rangies and my new motor!! Hi all: 1. to answer someone's question, the kits are available for GM sb from Marks, both for older LT95 4-sp and the 5-sp. Pretty sure engine-auto and auto- x-fer case (LT85 only, of course) kits are also available. I've also seen sb Ford kits, Ford is a little narrower than the GM and the 3.5l. These kits usually include a flywheel adaptor and new motor mounts. Not sure about Chevys, but Ford sb's are externally balanced- make sure your parts match :) I looked into these, but at $400-500 + headaches, I decided to stick with the Rover, as they can be built to 305 cid with cheap US parts. 2. As I am rebuilding my anemic 91 hp dual-worn-CD carbed v8, I found a nice rebuilt Olds 215, Isky cam, 10.5:1 CR, GM distributor, 4bbl mani and Carter carb. Included are 300 allum. heads and a crank for the Rover motor rebuild. Will pick it up tonight, before the snow storm hits East Cost US. Daryl from OZ found this motor for me in Philly (how'bout that!) - thanks, bud! Regards Jan ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:52:00 -0500 (EST) From: "Jon Moody (BME)" <mood@rad.unc.edu> Subject: unsubscribing.... unsubscribe ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:52:43 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: Salisbury / Lockers / HD Half Shafts Rob Dennis writes: > Tom, > I have to agree with you. In fact, if the ARB installation is done > correctly for two axles, the front will not engage unless the rear has been > activated. I think it would be better to put a LSD on the front than a locker, > unless you use the airlocker. Actually Rob, the LSD (wow, shades of the '60's) is what I was referring to (as well as detroit locker type diffs) about the chance of the vehicle being suddenly pulled to one side. I think the safe route is totally open diff in the front, or an ARB type diff. As for heavy duty half shafts, DAP (when it was owned by Al) sold a manually locking diff (from AU I think) that included heavy duty half shafts. Not to insult, but I wonder how much driving technique has to do with broken shafts. In all my years of driving LR's (well, only a little over 20) I've only broken one. That includes moving some very heavy loads both on & off-road. I do try to be careful in slippery condidtions not to hit solid ground with wheels spinning. Perhaps others can comment on this. Am I just really lucky and now that I've typed this I'll be breaking several a year? Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: cs@crl.com Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:21:45 +0000 Subject: Re: Series IIA power steering (again) Wouter de Waal <wrm@ccii.co.za> writes: :I don't believe it! Does _nobody_ know the answer, or don't you people like :me? :-) Well, we're probably just a little jealous of your late Spring weather :) Up here we are just beginning to deal with the wet and sticky stuff, and we're also a bit preoccupied with the Holidays upon us.... NAH!! You're right, we DON'T like you! ;) :What is the accepted / best / easiest / cheapest way to fit power steering :to a series landy? I'll be doing a chassis-up resto soon, and I'd like the :SO to be able to drive the beast too. I don't know about adding PS to a Series Land Rover, never heard of anyone doing it. However, for a Mercedes Unimog 404 of 50's and 60's vintage (a bear to drive off-road without power steering :) the method is to attach the power steering pump relay to the engine block and change the fan belt or get a multiple fan belt pulley to drive the pump. Next, attach the steering sensors to the steering column, requires opening the stationary outside shaft to attach the unit too and feel the inside shaft for movement. Then replace the steering damper (shock absorber) with the hydraulic ram that effects the steering. Brackets may have to be made to properly transfer the forces without breaking off. If the system fails, you are back to manual steering =:O For the Unimog 404, a '70 Ford pickup provides the proper parts, total cost US$200. Hope this helps, your mileage may vary %) If you get a system to work, let me know, as we have a '65 IIA. Holiday Cheers!! Michael Carradine, Architect Ph/Fax 510-988-0900 Carradine Studios, PO Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA <cs@crl.com> _________________________________________________________________________ Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:31:55 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> Subject: Re: Plushmobiles In message <199512161502.KAA14861@butler.uk.stratus.com> Mark Ritter writes: ; Wheweee! I've been Singed to the bone! ; ; > In response to Teri Anne Wakemans article I would like to defend my Disco as ; an > extremely capable off-roader that gets one to the trail quickly and in > comfort. ; NEVER once did I ever say that the Disco was not a very capable off road Land Rover. Even when I coined the term plushmobile I asserted that I believe them to be very capable off road cars. I have been on multiple runs with Discos and have seen what they are capable of. The only times I have seen their owner's balk at a situation was when the obstical was too tall for their ground clearence or when the danger of bending a panel was high. ; I think that are very capable cars but personally would have liked to see them designed to have greater gound clearence. This isn't a factor in many off road situations, but it is on a number of runs I have been on over the years. ; > I resent the lable of yuppie-mobile. ; Golly your touchy. I prefer plushmobile myself. Compaired to the series/ Defenders the Discos are very plush. I didn't make a value judgement about plush cars. Many people look at plushness as a status symbol. I generally think of it as something more to maintain/ go wrong. But I tend to be a minimalist in some things. I don't personally put a value rating on plushness levels of a car. I thought plushmobile was a catchy phrase. ; If you put a negative value on the level of plushness a car has its your problem. ; > In fact some of the yuppies in my club are > the most ardent series owners. ; So it goes to show that plushness or lack of it is not a yuppie attribute. ; Before she lambasts the Camel Trophy Disco's ; I didn't lambast Camel Trophy Discos. I speculated that the reason that Discos are used in the Camel Trophy events is because the company that was providing the free cars for the event wanted to use the event as a way advertising that Discos are capable off road cars. I suspect the Rover marketing people weren't sure that the new Disco was going to be accepted, and thought they needed something that they could point to. I suspect that this is why Defenders got replaced by Discos on the Camel Trophy events. Not because Rover thought that the Disco was a better off road car than a Defender. ; Of course I also mentioned that I think the level of vehical support for the event is extreamly high. The ford Tarus comment was an inside joke from a West coast Land Rover run made last spring in Mendoceno. Unfortunatly the attempt at humor was lost on people not familure with that run. My appologies for that one. ; > Anyone wishing to call Mac a yuppie had better have good dental > insurance. ; I guess yuppie has become a touchy fighting word among the Disco crowd. ; > I hardly think Ms. Wakemans series Rover could do a better job > crossing Borneo that a Disco. ; Maybe, but if someone were willing to fund the attempt and provide a high level of logistical support I would love to give it a try. I bet I could also find a Disco owner volunteer who would love to accompany me. ; Letsee, I have the advantage of fewer parts to break. The disadvantage of much older parts more apt to break. My 109 is shod with 265/70 16 B F Goodrich Mud Terrains that gives me more ground clearence than a Disco has. I think I can wade deeper than a US spec Disco and recover faster from being submerged too deep. The Disco has an advantage in articulation and turning radius (109s take a couple of city blocks to turn). The Disco has the advantage in engine power (109 2-1/4 L petrol is 0 to 60 same day) but at slow speeds the 109 holds her own. The 109 has the advantage in carrying capacity, and mine has capacity for 44 gallons of petrol, probably outranging the Disco. I can comfortably sleep inside my 109 two door. Of course with air conditioning, a CD player, and the softer suspension the Disco driver will be more refreshed and comfortable (But I have a refrigerator in mine for cold brews as needed) ; It might be an interesting run. Please let me know if you find a backer to cover the financial end of things ; > Don't get me wrong I love the look and feel of the series vehicles. When > finances and storage space allow I plan on gettign one myself. I would love [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > litre > V8's and 44" tires are not the only solution to North GA clay and granite. ; Sounds like a coil sprung European spec D90 fits your description better than a 88. I personally think the D90s are the best of the breed for short duration runs or long duration runs that have support cars. ; > Anyway Comments like yuppie and plushmobile are the sort of derision we don't > need on the list. A Land Rover is a Land Rover no matter what it cost or when > it > was built. ; Gosh I'm in for it. I like the term plushmobile but please understand I don't mean it as a negitive word. ; The people who should be flaming me are the owners of the new Range Rovers not a Disco jocky. I never end up with what I expect > Mark Ritter > 94 Disco > Yes, I do wave! > was built. sigh TeriAnn twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:42:53 -0500 (EST) From: m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate) Subject: Range Rover Climate Control Enlighten me, oh sage list, in the mysteries of the Range Rover climate control system. I am having a problem with ambient temperature (i.e. cold) air coming in through the dash vents on my '89. I get cool(ish) air out of the screen vents, too, especially the one to the immediate left of the binnacle. I was under the impression that this duct system was for A/C only. A/C is definitely not on. The fresh air vent lever on the left of the control panel has little or no effect on the cold draft. Fan speed does not, either, but vehicle speed certainly does. Closing the louvers helps some, but cold air still leaks out. Obviously I have a vent stuck open up under there somewhere, but my shop manual does not shed any light on where to start looking. Incidently, this same problem is obviously a contributor to my seemingly half hearted A/C cooling this past summer. The mixing effect of the warm ambient air flowing in and the refrigerated A/C air masked the leak. Has anybody done any exploring into the terra incognita of the inner dash. Seems as I remember a thread a while back on RR misting problems. Any of those guys still around? A million thanks. Scott Fugate 1970 IIA 88 1989 RR P.S. to Mark Talbot - Spliced the turn switch into my housing - works great! Thanks. BT ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Salisbury / Lockers / HD Half Shafts Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:53:13 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> In message <199512181657.LAA01642@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote: > So this brings me to my question of the day. Does anyone have any > experience with heavy duty aftermarket half shafts. I know that British [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] > the differences between them. Are these unbreakable? Has anyone damaged > something else in the drivetrain because of stronger shafts? About a month ago this was discussed on the mendo list. So Granville doesn't have to retype his post, I'll forward it off. (If it isn't obvious, BP=British Pacific) --------begin forward------------------------- From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:04:44 -0800 Subject: Re: Axles BP, when the original owners had it, sold something called "unbreakable axles" and I had them in one of my 88s. I broke one. Part of the "legend" if you will about the axle shafts as "shear pins" is that the genuine axles will break in a clean cone shape without fraying. Many of the aftermarket axles will fray and in so doing jam the carrier bearing in the diff, causing it to be destroyed. The "unbreakable" axle shaft from BP that I broke did this; I've still got that diff in a box to rebuild. I discussed this with Steve Hedke a while back and he agreed that these axles did have such a problem (not to mention the fact that they were indeed breakable) and so were discontinued. Because of this I am wary of any alledgedly bullet-proof axle shafts. The weak axle shafts are a indeed a pain but not as big a pain as rebuilding a diff, let alone a gearbox (which can also break when when an axle breaks if it jams the drivetrain). --------end forward--------------------------- Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake "...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:54:47 -0800 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> Subject: Re: Plushmobiles In message <199512171715.MAA00507@butler.uk.stratus.com> "John C. White, III" writes: > To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net > Oh yeah?! Well, TeriAnn's mom drives a Jeep! [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] > So there! > John Well actually its an AMC Eagle last time i looked. I rode in a jeep once. Does that count? TeriAnn twakeman@apple.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:57:03 -0600 Subject: Shocks & springs for Series Hi all, In anticipation of my frame replacement project... What kind are the "genuine" shocks, as sold in the RN catalog for Series vehicles? I need new shocks, but I can't afford the RS5000s that I really want. I'm looking for something to get me through for a year or two of normal road driving and light off-road. Also, a couple months ago there was a talk of a spring company out east that made Rover springs. I'm going to need a rear pair for my 88". Who were they, anybody use them? Anyone have a decent pair or rear springs that'd be worth the investment in shipping? I hate to do all this on the cheap, but I need to get running again, then I can go back and upgrade those components as they fail - I'm on a pretty tight budget right now. Thanks, Tim --- tim harincar harincar@mooregs.com '66 IIa 88 SW "now in challenging kit form!" ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:56:03 -0500 From: Fred Ellsworth <fellswor@camb-lads.loral.com> Subject: Series of questions II Hi all, My first series of questions got nixed (at least for me) by one of the majodomo mixups, so here we go again: 1) Just how much is too much to grind Series brake drums? The manual says .003" over for the 10" drums on my 88", but they are several times over that already and need some serious grinding to get a decent surface once again. None of the shops around here will regrind them knowing they are so far over. One guy said they'd "probably" be ok if I could find someone who'd do it- but he recommended against it. Everyone else just said to get new ones. I seek truth. 2) I'm starting to get a slight wobble in the steering wheel at certain speeds which makes me think an alignment is in order. Is this something any old cheapo tire place can do for $29.95 or is there something special about my '71 SIIA 88" that screams for more money? 3) Does anyone know the part number of a good, inexpensive replacement for the steering dampener shock on series vehicles? 4) There was a thread awhile back on vaccuum gauges & how valuable they were in diagnosing problems. There's a hole in my dash and a gauge in my toolbox just itchin for a pleasant union but- does the vaccuum line from the gauge splice into the dist. vaccuum advance line or the brake booster vaccuum line? Opinion has been running 50-50, please make up my mind for me... Thanks in advance for any info,\ Fred '71 IIA 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Salisbury / Lockers / HD Half Shafts Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:00:29 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> Tom Rowe wrote: > Not to insult, but I wonder how much driving technique has to do with > broken shafts. In all my years of driving LR's (well, only a little over 20) [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > Perhaps others can comment on this. Am I just really lucky and now > that I've typed this I'll be breaking several a year? Breaking of half shafts is related to how agressively one drives a Rover. Personally I have broken 4 in the last 4 years. (Two came with the Rover, so I don't if it was preexisting problem and two were aftermarket). All broke mostly cleanly (some were double breaks and I needed to take the diff apart to get the broken bit out). I am an agressive driver, but I try to minimize wheel spin. In this timespan I have put 70,000 miles on my Rover and it is my daily driver. YMMV. Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake "...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com> Subject: RE: wading of plushmobiles Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:05:06 -0800 sv/aurens wrote: True enough, about the TDi. But one trial in Mundo Maya showed that the Disco is not just an espresso machine with off road capabilities. When crossing a river, 20 participants were to bring two Discos over with ropes only. A picture in Bilmagasinet 11/95 (danish) shows the drill. On one car you can only see the front part of the roof rack and the "Camel Trophy" sign. Benjamin Smith wrote: This was one of the special tasks. They split into two teams and attempted to see who could get the Discos across first. The lines for both Discos fouled. Both teams decided that the task was just a bunch of B*** S*** and refused to complete the task. The oranaizers informed teams that they had to recover the vehicles. So under the leadership of U.S. team member Jim Sweat, the entire group recovered first one Disco, then the other. Then I added: This was shown, briefly in the video. During the trip across the river it looked like the current caught the LR's and washed them off a relatively shallow crossing into some DEEP (i.e. roof-deep) water. Finally, once they dragged the dunked rovers onto the other shore (with water pouring from the doors!) They looked pretty ragged, i.e. I don't think they picked the best models of the trip for this special task. Now if you think a Disco's heavy empty imagine what it must be when it's full of water! I wouldn't consider this a viable demonstration of the Disco's wading ability rather a demonstration of the skills and abilities of the CT participants. _____ /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA | _|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ N7UMU ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: DEBROWN@pabvmsys.SRP.GOV Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 13:20:47 MST Subject: LR is a LR. FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: LR is a LR. Mark's comment "A Land Rover is a Land Rover no matter what it cost or when it was built." as well as the sentiment that we don't need the "mine vs. yours" attitudes on this list is well worth heeding! Please! They're ALL incredible machines, each with it's own advantages and limitations! I wish I could afford one or ALL models! Dave (peacemaker) Brown And yes, I push my "plushmobile" to it's limits! (Well, haven't found the "limits" yet, but not afraid to try new things!) #=====# #========# -------,___ ________ |___|__\___ |___|__|__\___ |--' | | \_|_ /__/__|__\___ | _ | |_ |} | _ | | |_ |} | _ |--+--|_ | \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""(_)" "(_)"""""""(_)" ||_/_\___|__/_\_|} (_) (_) (_) (_) 1971 "88" IIa 1970 "109" IIa 1994 Discovery (Sold) '87 Range Rover LIC: LION B8 Historic plates (Too hard to "draw") rear Lock-Right Someday... a D90. Sigh... #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:39:47 -0800 From: cyoungso@Direct.CA (Chris Youngson) Subject: Goodyear G90 tires I left a message at the Goodyear Tire Co. WWW site regarding G90 tires. Here is the message they sent me. A very fast response too! 12/18/95 Re your recent internet request regarding the G90 Military Tire. This product line is not available through Goodyear Canada. In fact, I have not even been able to confirm a valid part number for the product. In the 7.50 R 16 size, we have two tires available, the Wrangler AT (Product Code # 740-356-399) and the Wrangler HT (Product Code # 744-238-847). Both of these products are available at the Vancouver warehouse, and both tires are 8 ply rated. I hope that this is helpful. Regards, Graeme Crawford, Technical Assistance Representative, Goodyear Customer Assistance Centre (Canada). USGTRZJT@ibmmail.com Just thought I'd let people know seeing as ther was an artical on the tire in LRO(W). They look like a good tire. 73 Chris Youngson, VE7CST West Vancouver, BC 1965 109 ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:44:37 +0000 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Series of questions II Fred Ellsworth <fellswor@camb-lads.loral.com> writes: :2) I'm starting to get a slight wobble in the steering wheel at certain :speeds which makes me think an alignment is in order. Is this something :any old cheapo tire place can do for $29.95 or is there something special :about my '71 SIIA 88" that screams for more money? After tweaking your alignment, try a new steering dampener. My wobble at 55+ mph on a '72 Series III went away after putting in new Rancho shocks and dampener. Someone said earlier that Rancho is having a sale right now, 4 shocks for $99! :3) Does anyone know the part number of a good, inexpensive replacement for :the steering dampener shock on series vehicles? The Rancho part numbers are on the Rover Connection page under Series Aftermarket Parts, the URL is http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html which also lists other goodies :) For the Web impaired--- Shock Absorber 88" Front RTC-4230 Gabriel G53494, Rancho* RS5163 Shock Absorber 88" Rear RTC-4232 Gabriel G53299, Rancho RS5169 HD Shock Absorber 88" Front RTC-4234 Gabriel G63494 HD Shock Absorber 88" Rear RTC-4235 Gabriel G63299 Shock Absorber 109" Front RTC-4483 Rancho RS5119(was RS5164) Shock Absorber 109" Rear RTC-4442 Rancho RS5117 HD Shock Absorber 109" Front RTC-4484 Rancho RS5164 HD Shock Absorber 109" Rear RTC-4236 Rancho RS5157 Steering Stabilizer STC-786 Rancho RS5402 *Rancho Customer Service 310-630-0700 Holiday Cheer!! \ / --*-- ______ / \ Michael Carradine [__[__\== Rumpole of the Bay 510-988-0900 [________] Land-Rover 4x4 cs@crl.com ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^ '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88) _________________________________________________________________________ Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:00:54 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: LR is a LR. Wasn't it Shakespeare who said something to the effect, "A Land Rover by any other name would leak as much."? Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:15:04 -0800 From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden) Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest Kevin Kelly writes: > I will be writing a full article on the event with photos for an upcoming > issue of the Land Rover Owner Association (LROA) Aluminum Workhorse Magazine. Kevin, thanks for the background on '96 US team final four. Can you tell me about Aluminum Workhorse Magazine? ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: howtaw@hg.uleth.ca Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:20:20 MST Subject: Resent topics I just have to get in my two cents here. Robert Dennis asks about puting a Salisbury in a 88; you do have to move the spring pads in to narrow the spread, the propshaft does need to be shortend a small amount, it does make a good conversion if you already have an exta Salisbury kicking around. However there are other options that may work better for you, ie Robert MacNamara's(not sure of spelling) manual locking diffs come with stronger half shafts and cost about $600 or $700 Canadian. William Adams asks about trailering with a series Rover; I once pulled a two axled trailer for about 400km on highway 1 in Alberta(mostly flat or rolling hills). When weighed at a truck scale it came in at 7500 pounds and the 1965 88 topped 3500 pounds. Total of 11 000 pounds, the 88 was a little squiraly and the average speed was about 60km. About a week latter both rear half shafts failed pulling away from a drive way. From then on I have used my 109 with a 2.5L petrol and a Salisbury for this kind of work. Its safer and cheaper. About the great Disco debate, I like them but would not use one like in the CT. Also several people were asking about the roof rack loads on the CT Discos, The CT Discos have a modified rear suspention to aid them, don't try it on a standard model. I would not use my 109 like in the CT either (all sides happy?). Has anyone put a Detroit or Lockright locker in the rear of a 109? How did it work out? How about any other types of locker? Andrew Howton 82 109 2door 67 109 NADA (non runner) 8? 110 2door (under constuction) ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:49:54 -0800 Subject: Where oh where to put those lockers! Tom recommends that the locker be put on the rear: I wholeheartedly agree if you want to put an automatic locker in. Having a LSD lock up on the front could be very interesting, to say the least. If, however, you want to put a manual locker in (which I wrongly assumed was the intended addition) I would still consider puting it on the front. My logic is much the same as that of putting chains on the front axle first. If you can only put one locker in a vehicle it would seem logical to put it where its going to have the most control. On the front, not only can you get traction going straight ahead but on a turn as well. True, steering might be a little more difficult when traction comes back, but you can just unlock the diff at that point. Anyway, that's my take on the whole thing but until my financial resources improve (Santa, are you listening?) I won't be able to try a locker on either diff! Regards, Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 18 Dec 95 16:53:41 EST From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com> Subject: More sightings on TV In the last few days an advert for a Canon cam corder has been playing two shots include a very dusty looking sand colored 90 soft top with either hood sticks still up or a roll cage- these are truly fleeting glimpses perhaps just a few seconds or two each but its there!!!!! regards chris browne brit in boston 95 disco, ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:18:35 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, gary madden wrote: > Kevin, thanks for the background on '96 US team final four. Can you tell > me about Aluminum Workhorse Magazine? The Aluminium Workhorse is the quarterly newsletter of the Land Rover Owners Association, a huge (by NA standards, 600 members approx) west coast USA based club. A list of all of the know Land Rover clubs can be found in the FAQ at: http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/RoverWeb/ Where web sites exist for clubs, there are links to those clubs. The listings include addresses, size, membership information, newsletter size and frequency, profile. Rgds, ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:31:05 From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS) Subject: Re: Shocks & springs for Series I don't know about aftermarket shocks. I'm sure there are some out there that fit for $14.99 a piece. The Rover engineers spec'ed a shock that will perform the chores you have described. Trust them. They design and make cars that last for decades. As for your spring woes, check your local yellow pages under 'springs' and you'll find local merchants more than happy to recondition your Rover springs maybe for a lot less than new, if you offer to take them for a drive. All my troubles are Rover Bill Adams 3Dmentia Video Animation 4016 Spruell Drive Kensington,MD 20895 301-949-9475 1966 S2a 109" SW Diesel "Keeping it stock in the face of common sense" " One of these days I'm going to have this thing melted down and hammered into a coffin, because when they lay me out it will be THIS son of a bitch that put me in it." ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:01:49 +0000 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: Re: Shocks & springs for Series Tim Harincar <Harincar@mooregs.com> writes: :What kind are the "genuine" shocks, as sold in the RN catalog for Series :vehicles? I need new shocks, but I can't afford the RS5000s that I really :want. I'm looking for something to get me through for a year or two of normal :road driving and light off-road. Someone posted a message saying Rancho 5000's are on sale at 4/$99!! Shock Absorber 88" Front RTC-4230 Gabriel G53494, Rancho* RS5163 Shock Absorber 88" Rear RTC-4232 Gabriel G53299, Rancho RS5169 HD Shock Absorber 88" Front RTC-4234 Gabriel G63494 HD Shock Absorber 88" Rear RTC-4235 Gabriel G63299 Shock Absorber 109" Front RTC-4483 Rancho RS5119(was RS5164) Shock Absorber 109" Rear RTC-4442 Rancho RS5117 HD Shock Absorber 109" Front RTC-4484 Rancho RS5164 HD Shock Absorber 109" Rear RTC-4236 Rancho RS5157 Steering Stabilizer STC-786 Rancho RS5402 *Rancho Customer Service 310-630-0700 :Also, a couple months ago there was a talk of a spring company out east that :made Rover springs. I'm going to need a rear pair for my 88". Who were they, :anybody use them? Anyone have a decent pair or rear springs that'd be worth :the investment in shipping? Probably was Young's Springs, as listed in the Land Rover Aftermarket Parts list on WWW URL : http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html brought to you by Mike Hoskins of Mid-America Rover, Kansas City, MO Tel/Fax 816-763-3797 For the Web impaired: _________________________ High Performance Products Distributor Mallory 273-2001. Mechanical dual point (replaces ERC-6986) Carburetor Weber 32/35 DGV-5A, Available at VW Parts Stores Intake Manifold Pierce, Tel. 408-842-6667 or 800-874-3728 Exhaust Header Clifford Performance 50-0416, Tel. 909-734-3310 Exhaust System Stainless Steel Muffler Corp. Tel. 905-792-7770, 905-792-3673 Fax Clutch Centerforce, 714-898-4477 (matched to '74 Vega) Leaf Spring Young's Springs, Inc., Rutland VT Tel. 802-773-7237 Engine Adaptor Scotty's Foreign Car Service, Concord CA 510-686-2255 Engine Adaptor Advance Adapters Inc., Paso Robles CA Tel. 805-238-7000 Transmission Mid-America Rover, Kansas City, MO Tel/Fax 816-763-3797 Winch Warn Industries, 800-522-9276 :I hate to do all this on the cheap, but I need to get running again, then I :can go back and upgrade those components as they fail - I'm on a pretty tight :budget right now. Aren't we all?:) Holiday Cheer!! \ / --*-- ______ / \ Michael Carradine [__[__\== Rumpole of the Bay 510-988-0900 [________] Land-Rover 4x4 cs@crl.com ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^ '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88) _________________________________________________________________________ Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Wdcockey@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:12:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy >In a email yesterday someone said, we all own Rovers, lets poke fun at >Jeeps or Toyotas. Why do we LR owners need to poke fun at anybody? Do you think Jeep owners trade LR tales? Let's stick to discussing LRs. In fact I'm tired of the Disco/RR vs. Series discussions. David Cockey 60 SII SW 60 SII PU 80% 59 SII SW ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:29:45 -0500 From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) Subject: Disco pricing I now find myself in the market for a new Discovery. The rice rocket is laid up with a supposed head gasket/coolant leak (though the cylinder pressure is up and level on all) while the Rover is having major surgery -rear frame crossmember. I've had the replacement piece for over two years; I just didn't want to hassle with it right now. Anyway, when you get a wife/kid/dogs, you need more room than an 88 can provide.... Anyway, are there any dealers willing to *deal* on a new Disco? I'm looking at the bottom end, box-stock SD model. Does anyone know the margin on these vehicles so I can have a little wiggle room in dealing with these jokers? Cheers *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:56:51 -0500 Subject: Front receiver Where does a front receiver on a Disco attach on the vessel? Where do I go to get one mounted? Do air bag considerations affect this? -- Gerald g@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:21:03 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> In message <199512182312.SAA02125@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote: > Why do we LR owners need to poke fun at anybody? Do you think Jeep owners > trade LR tales? Let's stick to discussing LRs. In fact I'm tired of the > Disco/RR vs. Series discussions. Well now that Mike Fredette is back on the list, is it time for the biannual Defender vs. Series debate between Mike and Dixon? (And whoever gets suck in) That always proves to be amusing to read. No matter what happens Rover folks seem to like to debate/poke fun at just about anything. Ignore it and it will go away for another 6 months. Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake "...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:19:09 -0800 From: slade@teleport.com (Michael Slade) Subject: Re: D90SW Whoever it was who posted the original note about the D90 SW, I second all the comments and agree that the interior certainly looks nice. I particularly liked the rear door. As my 109 has a trailer hitch, I am unable to use the rear tire carrier. On the D90 the tire is high and a little off-center to the right (toward the hinges), which BTW are SII. Also the interior trim of the rear door was really neat too. There was a one-piece plastic-textury covering (deciepher that if you can) that covered the motor for the rear wiper and integrated with the inside handle of the rear door. Oh, I also noticed on the D110 (which was parked in the same lot) the little sticker on the rear door that says it can only be locked/unlocked from the outside. Didn't notice if that was the case on the D90. So, now I'm thinking that a 110/90 rear door is where it's at. Any ideas? The rear defogger would be nice here in rain-land (Portland). I also wondered about the interior roll cage and thought that they should have had a full cage like on the soft-tops that extended toward the rear. The cage is pretty nice though and installed looks to be a tight quiet fit. The headliner and rear trim pieces for the side windows in back was also nice. Are these available aftermarket or from land rover? I noticed that the rear jump-seats had little stickers that said NAS. Does that stand for North American Spec.? They didn't look any different from the NAS D110 rear seats, or for that matter any of the rear seats I'd seen in D90's in LRO. Curious. One thing about the seats tho, they were in grey tweed all around, not that vinyl stuff as on the soft tops. Oh, and in the rear bed there is a fitted piece of carpet that goes up the side and covers the top of the wheel wells. Nice. Kind of a grey indoor-outdoor thing, but not like astro-turf. It made me think the rear section noise would be very quiet. Now I'm wondering about getting that piece as well. The best accessory was a cardboard box that was flat and closed with a gold foil seal that said "Gold Standard Welcome" or some pish-posh like that. I am assuming that's where the courtesy Camel Trophy book and off-road driving video go. Hope that's really what those shiny D90's will be used for. I photographed two D90's today. One was Conniston Green and the other was the Marine Blue. The Green one was in the garage having some last minute details looked after. I didn't ask, no one was working on it when I was shooting. I got plenty of interior and detail shots of the roll bar, headliner, carpet, rear door and tire mounting. I wanted to really go at it and document it fully, but since it was already paid for by a customer I figured that it was a bad idea. However I did get a thorough look at it and hope to have photos developed by Christmas. The Blue one was outside and had just returned from a detail job in preperation for the buyer to pick it up. I shot it in the lot among lots of Disco's and a few obligatory shots of my 109 (and one w/me in it too) :) So, I'll be glad to supply pics to which ever WWW site wants them. As long as I can link to it when I get my page up. To interested parties, just let me know. The photos are better than writing about it, but you know what they say, a picture is worth.......... Later, Michael ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 02:03:35 +0000 From: Dave White <davew@landie.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Salisbury for 88 > I have been thinking of putting a Salisbury axle on the rear end of my 88. >From what I have been told, they were only made for the 109 so it is necessary >to modify the axle to fit the 88. The Salisbury Axle is virtually indestructable, but as you suggested requires Spring mounting points to be cut off and re-welded into a new position to suit the 88". Again, as you supposed, the rear propshaft will require shortening to suit. The main disadvantage of the Salisbury of-road is its reduced ground clearance (approx 1") due to it's larger bulk. It's amazing how often that single inch can get you stuck, especially when you are caught in deep ruts. The standard axle is IMHO up to the job for most applications with the 2 1/4 engine - now if you want to run a V8 through a series box that's another matter :-) ---------------------------------------------------- Dave White. '72 SWB SIII V8 Auto R/R Chassis and running gear. '89 Range Rover Yorkshire Rover Owners Club UK ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:56:17 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> Ben wisely told us: > Ignore it and it will go away for another 6 months. Daryl Webb comments: > Hmmm tried that with my engine noises, nope still there 6 months later, > never went away. > Maybe I need to wait at least a year for it to go away. My experience is that engine noises never truly go away on their own. They get louder and more ominous. Then one day all of the engine noises go away (sometimes just after a big *boom*). Moral: Engine noises are not related to the "My ___ is better than your ___" noise which is found on most mailing lists. Second Observation: At least the RR vs Series debate is marginally on topic. It's not like people are debating the merits of emacs vs. vi. [I think it's time to exit stage left before that emacs lynch mob finds me] :) Ben ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:07:47 +1030 (CST) Ben wisely tells us: > Ignore it and it will go away for another 6 months. Hmmm tried that with my engine noises, nope still there 6 months later, never went away. Maybe I need to wait at least a year for it to go away. cheers -- Daryl ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:50:52 +1030 (CST) > Moral: Engine noises are not related to the "My ___ is better than > your ___" noise which is found on most mailing lists. > Second Observation: At least the RR vs Series debate is marginally on > topic. It's not like people are debating the merits of emacs vs. vi. Ooops did I misunderstand the topic.... terribly sorry, I must have got my noises mixed up :-) I always get a complex when this series V's disco/rangie stuff comes up. Seems no one loves a stage 1... The series folk dont like us 'cause we got a V8, full time 4x4 and some of us have factory cloth bucket seats and sound deadening. The "Plushmobile" (hey I *love* this term, it rates with Ben Eltons "Toyonissan wankmobile") people dont want us 'cause we got drum brakes, leaf springs, and leak like sieves. -- Daryl "V8,leaf springs,drum brakes,plastic dash,metal grill and proud" Webb ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com> Subject: Re: Disco pricing Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 19:43:59 PST > Anyway, are there any dealers willing to *deal* on a new Disco? I'm looking > at the bottom end, box-stock SD model. Does anyone know the margin on these [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)] > | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | > | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | > *-----------------------------------------------------* One of my co-workers here in Detroit, of questionable Middle East desent decided that he wanted a Disco. After argueing with the local dealer for months, he wrote to every dealer east of the mississippi. He got one dealer to give him $1000.00 off sticker, and then proceded to call every other dealer, stating this one dealer was giving him $2000.00 off sticker. The long and the short of it was that he did manage to get the local dealer to match the $1000.00 off the sticker. He now drives a black disco.... Russ Burns > Anyway, are there any dealers willing to *deal* on a new Disco? I'm looking > at the bottom end, box-stock SD model. Does anyone know the margin on these > vehicles so I can have a little wiggle room in dealing with these jokers? ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:02:42 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Shocks & springs for Series On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Michael Carradine wrote: > Probably was Young's Springs, as listed in the Land Rover Aftermarket Parts > list on WWW URL : http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html brought to you by > Mike Hoskins of Mid-America Rover, Kansas City, MO Tel/Fax 816-763-3797 > For the Web impaired: There is also another more extensive list of alternate parts in the Land Rover FAQ at http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/FAQ.top.html This list is brought to you via OVLR and the members of ROAV, LRO list members... Rgds, ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 18 Dec 95 23:06:18 EST From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Airlockers, Diffs, Shafts & More Tom Rowe Writes: Not to insult, but I wonder how much driving technique has to do with broken shafts. In all my years of driving LR's (well, only a little over 20) I've only broken one. That includes moving some very heavy loads both on & off-road. I do try to be careful in slippery condidtions not to hit solid ground with wheels spinning. ---- SNIP ---- I imagine driving has a lot to do with snapping shafts. I have also only broken one shaft in the Rover but since then have found myself much more careful with how I treat them. While this extends their life, I am sure that I will break another, and as Murphy would have it, at the most inopportune time. Knowing that the shafts HAVE a limit is one thing, but it is impossible to know exactly what that limit is. Sooner or later I am sure I will exceed it. Having a locked differential, can only help to increase the loads seen by the shafts. That is one of the reasons I was thinking of changing to the Salisbury. I think it would be a better just to keep the Rover axle and do what I can to increase the strength of the shaft. Granville Pool mentioned the McNamara and Maxi-Drive diffs in his message earlier today. While I had not heard of either of these I will look at them before I make my decision. I would prefer a locking diff that completely disengages when not and use, (or at least one where I can control its activation) and is activated from within the vehicle. Benjamin Smith forward another message from Granville: Part of the "legend" if you will about the axle shafts as "shear pins" is that the genuine axles will break in a clean cone shape without fraying. Many of the aftermarket axles will fray and in so doing jam the carrier bearing in the diff, causing it to be destroyed. ---- SNIP ---- When I snapped the shaft on the 88, it to frayed. I have no idea of the source of the shaft. I replaced it with genuine axles, so hopefully it will exhibit this clean "cone shape" and hopefully cause less damage. Rebuilding diffs is something I would rather not have to do again. At least now I have a spare. Again, Thank you for your thoughts ------------------- | | | | _ _ ____|____ _ _ | Rob Dennis O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O 73363.427@Compuserve.com \____===_======_===____/ Atlanta, GA USA |oo |(_%%%%%_)| oo| (404) 875-4537 | | %%###%% | | | | %%###%% | | 1972 SerIII 88 |_____|_#%@@@%#_|_____| 1990 RangeRover [_________//_\\_________] |\/| |\/| Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com On 18-Dec-1995 ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:25:42 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > Well now that Mike Fredette is back on the list, is it time for > the biannual Defender vs. Series debate between Mike and Dixon? (And whoever > gets suck in) That always proves to be amusing to read. No matter what > happens Rover folks seem to like to debate/poke fun at just about anything. > Ignore it and it will go away for another 6 months. Yo, Series III swine... Before you set Mike and I up for round three, where do you open your beer on the dash? Rgds, (of course, Russell Burns et al, probaly have found dozens on places on the D90 by now... :-)) ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:31:05 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Daryl Webb wrote: > Seems no one loves a stage 1... True, but it is because you need to carry both metric & imperial sets with you. I'll even bet there is Whitworth on the the thing to... Much prefer one set to the other, but not both at the same time... :-) Rgds, ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LeCompteDW@silver-po.biz.uiowa.edu Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 22:26 CST Subject: Disco pricing 1-800-933-5555 is the number to Consumer Reports, they give you a printout on the dealer invoice as well options. I used it and got my D90 at dealer cost (I think it was about $4000 off of sticker, although don't quote me). I purchased it from Carousel Motors in Minneapolis. CR does charge $12 for each report, but they fax it within minutes of your request. Good Luck! David LeCompte Waterloo, Iowa '95 D90 #2073 ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Disco pricing Author: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice) at internet Date: 12/18/95 6:29 PM Precedence: bulk Errors-To: LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com X-To: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net X-edited-by: LRO-Lite -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net I now find myself in the market for a new Discovery. The rice rocket is laid up with a supposed head gasket/coolant leak (though the cylinder pressure is up and level on all) while the Rover is having major surgery -rear frame crossmember. I've had the replacement piece for over two years; I just didn't want to hassle with it right now. Anyway, when you get a wife/kid/dogs, you need more room than an 88 can provide.... Anyway, are there any dealers willing to *deal* on a new Disco? I'm looking at the bottom end, box-stock SD model. Does anyone know the margin on these vehicles so I can have a little wiggle room in dealing with these jokers? Cheers *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* | A. P. (Sandy) Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | E-mail: rover@pinn.net Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day) | | 804-423-4898 (Evenings) FAX: 804-622-7056 | *-----------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re:the nuts and bolts of stage 1's Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:33:54 +1030 (CST) I wrote: > > Seems no one loves a stage 1... To which Dixon replies: > True, but it is because you need to carry both metric & imperial > sets with you. I'll even bet there is Whitworth on the the thing > to... Much prefer one set to the other, but not both at the same > time... :-) Dang right there is Whit. on the thing (all Real Landrovers have Whit bolts(g), along with BA, BSF, SAE imperial, Metric, assorted metric and SAE allen bolts, plain, inverted, phillips and posidrive screwheads. Havent found a torx yet, but its bound to be there somewhere.... You want an excuse to buy *lots* of tools? (and still never have the right one) Get a stage 1! -- Daryl "I know I had that 5/16W when I fitted the bearing seal....." Webb ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re: SII, SIII and beer caps Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:45:31 +1030 (CST) > Yo, Series III swine... Before you set Mike and I up for round > three, where do you open your beer on the dash? On the genuine Coke (tm) machine opener screwed to it .... -- Daryl ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:14:01 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> Daryl Webb wrote: I always get a complex when this series V's disco/rangie stuff comes up. Seems no one loves a stage 1... The series folk dont like us 'cause we got a V8, full time 4x4 and some of us have factory cloth bucket seats and sound deadening. The "Plushmobile" (hey I *love* this term, it rates with Ben Eltons "Toyonissan wankmobile") people dont want us 'cause we got drum brakes, leaf springs, and leak like sieves. Well, techically it is the "SIII, Stage I" (not that I've ever heard anyone saying "Stage I" in the same sentance as "Series III". I assume we could have a lively debate on whether a Stage I is a Series Rover or a 110 in disguise. :) Hmm, maybe I'll have to drive one find out. :) Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake "...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie ------------------------------[ <- Message 57 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:22:47 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> Dixon attempeth to inflameth" > Yo, Series III swine... Before you set Mike and I up for round > three, where do you open your beer on the dash? Got me there. I can't open it on the dash. But now that removed the silly piece the hides the windscreen to hardtop bolts, I've discovered that those very same bolts are a perfect for removing caps from beer bottles. So now I don't need to bend over to open my beer, eh. Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake "...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie ------------------------------[ <- Message 58 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:26:55 +0000 From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine) Subject: WWW Aftermarket Parts (Was: Shocks & springs for Series) Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> writes: :On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Michael Carradine wrote: :> Probably was Young's Springs, as listed in the Land Rover Aftermarket Parts :> list on WWW URL : http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html : : There is also another more extensive list of alternate parts : in the Land Rover FAQ at http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/FAQ.top.html Now Dixon, of all the people surely YOU would remember to insert "OVLR" into the Web address above.... the correct OVLR FAQ WWW URL is: http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.top.html ^^^^ PS-- What are the odds of having the annoying background GIF image toned down or eliminated?? (I thought so! %-) Holiday Cheers! \ / -- o -- ______ / \ Michael Carradine [__[__\== Rumpole of the Bay 510-988-0900 [________] Land-Rover 4x4 cs@crl.com ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^ '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88) _________________________________________________________________________ Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at: http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html ------------------------------[ <- Message 59 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb) Subject: Re:Stage 1 stuff Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:23:06 +1030 (CST) Ben Writes: > Well, techically it is the "SIII, Stage I" Series III 109" V8 if you please.... Which reminds me the FAQ is faqed re: stage 1 chassis no. location ISTR. Its still stamped on the LHR spring hanger, just like other sIII's >I assume we could have a lively debate on whether a Stage I is a Series Rover or a 110 in disguise. :) Hmm, maybe I'll have to drive one find out. :) Nah aint no 110 in disguise :-(, very much a series III, just with a bigger thirst and *almost* able to keep up with the traffic, hey its a B(PS)L product to boot. -- Daryl ------------------------------[ <- Message 60 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Stage 1 stuff Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:12:06 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> Daryl Webb writes: > Ben Writes: > > Well, techically it is the "SIII, Stage I" > Series III 109" V8 if you please.... Ok, ok. Series III 109" V8 (Stage I). Happy? :) > Which reminds me the FAQ is faqed re: stage 1 chassis no. location ISTR. Its > still stamped on the LHR spring hanger, just like other sIII's Every Series Rover that I've seen it was on the right hand (driver's right) front spring hanger. Unless LHR means the same thing. I updated the FAQ to reflect this. (Stage Is are few and far beween in the States (and all grey market)). Ben, still with only 4 cylinders... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88 Science Applications International Corporation Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake "...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere. He'd drive it up the Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..." --Kevin Archie ------------------------------[ <- Message 61 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951219 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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