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1 Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-m25What happend to the online list????
2 "Steve Reddock" [steve_r19LRO Submissions Police
3 wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter d32Series IIA power steering (again)
4 IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILL19Re: Series IIA power steering (again)
5 Mark Murphy [Mark.Murphy40High Flow Air Filter For the Discovery
6 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE32Re: Salisbury Rear in 88"
7 Karl Kurz [kkurz@acad.um28Re: Trailers and trailering
8 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em16Re: Dixon Kenner
9 Karl Kurz [kkurz@acad.um33Re: Trailers and trailering (fwd)
10 GElam30092@aol.com 15Another movie, another LR
11 ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi17Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy
12 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu34Trailers and trailering
13 Robert Dennis [73363.42764Re: Salisbury / Lockers / HD Half Shafts
14 GElam30092@aol.com 23Front receiver-mounted bracket for lights?
15 Stephen Thomas [stephen.56Disco Audio System
16 jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben25US v8's in Rangies and my new motor!!
17 "Jon Moody (BME)" [mood@6unsubscribing....
18 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE36Re: Salisbury / Lockers / HD Half Shafts
19 cs@crl.com 41Re: Series IIA power steering (again)
20 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak127Re: Plushmobiles
21 m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fu35Range Rover Climate Control
22 Benjamin Allan Smith [be47Re: Axles
23 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak24Re: Plushmobiles
24 Harincar@mooregs.com (Ti31Shocks & springs for Series
25 Fred Ellsworth [fellswor36Series of questions II
26 Benjamin Allan Smith [be30[not specified]
27 "Robert Watson (CNA)" [a45RE: wading of plushmobiles
28 DEBROWN@pabvmsys.SRP.GOV38LR is a LR.
29 cyoungso@Direct.CA (Chri31Goodyear G90 tires
30 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr46Re: Series of questions II
31 "Tom Rowe" [TROWE@AE.AGE16Re: LR is a LR.
32 maddeng@Apple.com (gary 11Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
33 howtaw@hg.uleth.ca 38Resent topics
34 ericz@cloud9.net 26Where oh where to put those lockers!
35 [Chris_Browne@us014-bost16More sightings on TV
36 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em22Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
37 IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILL25Re: Shocks & springs for Series
38 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr66Re: Shocks & springs for Series
39 Wdcockey@aol.com 16Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy
40 rover@pinn.net (Alexande24Disco pricing
41 "Gerald" [g@ix.netcom.co12Front receiver
42 Benjamin Allan Smith [be25[not specified]
43 slade@teleport.com (Mich69Re: D90SW
44 Dave White [davew@landie27Re: Salisbury for 88
45 Benjamin Allan Smith [be24[not specified]
46 dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu17Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy
47 dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu24Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy
48 Russell Burns [burns@cis25Re: Disco pricing
49 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em19Re: Shocks & springs for Series
50 Robert Dennis [73363.42759Re: Airlockers, Diffs, Shafts & More
51 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em20Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy
52 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em15Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy
53 LeCompteDW@silver-po.biz53Disco pricing
54 dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu23Re:the nuts and bolts of stage 1's
55 dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu14Re: SII, SIII and beer caps
56 Benjamin Allan Smith [be27[not specified]
57 Benjamin Allan Smith [be24[not specified]
58 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr31WWW Aftermarket Parts (Was: Shocks & springs for Series)
59 dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu23Re:Stage 1 stuff
60 Benjamin Allan Smith [be29[not specified]


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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: What happend to the online list????
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:47:46 +0100 (MET)

Hi all,
Can anybody tell what happend to the online lro-list? last week
I got a message from the Major that I had been shifted to the 
digest. Resubscribtion was unsucessful. 
I don't like this digest, since I usually read just a part of
the listmails, which is much easyer if they don't come in big
bunch.
Please email me directly for I don't have the time to read through
the whole digest in the moment.

Many Thanks,
Franz
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Franz Parzefall			 tbr1102@hpmail.lrz-muenchen.de
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      [_-__|__|_-]           exmil. 110 2.5D
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 04:47:41 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: LRO Submissions Police

Hi all, the last two digests made it to me as notes, not files!
Hooray!!
  
Whatever happened has worked, thank you.
  
The delights of living in mainframe land are that the mail reader
decides you have a file if it is wider than a note.  Some systems
are just too flexible.
  
Regards Sgt A. Nally-Retentive  LRO submissions Police.
  
Steve Reddock                         Product Evaluation, 26/12
Xyratex                  Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450  Int.721-4450
REDDOCK at HVTVM         Internet: Steve_Reddock@UK.XYRATEX.COM

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 12:04 GMT-0200
From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
Subject: Series IIA power steering (again)

I don't believe it! Does _nobody_ know the answer, or don't you people like
me? :-)

So I'll continue making a nuisance of myself, to whit :

What is the accepted / best / easiest / cheapest way to fit power steering
to a series landy? I'll be doing a chassis-up resto soon, and I'd like the
SO to be able to drive the beast too.

Please remember that I'm on the other side of the world, I can't just buy a
kit and stick it in. I would probably have to cannabalise something to find
the correct steering relay or whatever.

Thanks

Wouter
--
Wouter de Waal ZS1KE  GE>AT d-(pu) s+:-- a- C++$ UL+ U*+$ P>++ L++ E- W N+++>++
Argo 505 / FT200      !o K w(--) !O !M V(--) PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP>++ t 5? X? R?
                      tv>--- b+++ DI+ D+ G e+++(*) h--- r+++ y+++(*)

'72 Puma - 1700 FI Type IV engine                          Perseverance my son,
'6? Series IIA SW - factory fitted Lucas immobiliser         it's a   Land/
                                                                       /Rover
"All journeys end when we reach our destination but the journeying
remains a thing apart, unique unto itself. Most of us make life's journeys
without understanding that the journeying is a separate thing." -- Bob Hoover

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:30:20
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Re: Series IIA power steering (again)

As a newbie in the Rover Force, I'm not sure if I am qualified to make 
technical suggestions, however an open forum is just that so...

It seems to me a difficult and expensive undertaking to install power 
steering in a series truck as it involves redesigning the entire linkage.
In addition that's one more belt for the engine to drive (and to shred) as 
well as plumbing that is probably going to give trouble in the future.

I would advise that you follow the KISS(see below) principle when going about 
a modification of this sort. The Rover engineers probably installed the 
Armstrong steering for a reason-it won't fail on you when just when you need 
it the most.

(Keep It Simple,Stupid)

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 06:56:44 -0700
From: Mark Murphy <Mark.Murphy@evolving.com>
Subject: High Flow Air Filter For the Discovery

When I tried to order a K&N air filter for my 1995 Discovery, RN told
me that the filter didn't fit and that K&N was re-engineering it. Well,
I checked back in October and still no air filter. In frustration, I
started looking for information on other air filters, I found this:

> Here's the info I have on air filter performance.  Tests were done using 
> SAE J726C Test Method  5-best --> 1-worst
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
> KotLS  KotLE  DotD #0003          I'm not really a chemist, I'm just one of
> 900SS  K100RS  501 CAMEL          them motorsickle sonsabitches.  __=o&o>__

Now, I haven't done any research on Ed Hackett or the Desert Research
Institute so I can't vouch for the validity of the above data. 

Instead, I found an AMSOIL dealer on the web and asked about their air filter.
Figured I could buy one and run my own test. After correcting a typo in
the AMSOIL catalog,  we found they didn't make an air filter for the 
Discovery either. However, the dealer mentioned that with the dimensions, 
an air filter could probably be made. I went one better and sent them a 
Land Rover air filter (ESR 1445). Well, after two months of email and smail, 
I received the official letter from AMSOIL - the part number is S1694, cost 
is $37.95 plus shipping of $3.50 for a total or $41.25 (2-4 weeks delivery 
for this special order air filter).

I have ordered an air filter and will post the results on its fit/finish,
any differences in size/shape and any changes to power/gas milage. I ordered 
mine through Bob Cameron (AMSOIL dealer 397110) at nmau21a@prodigy.com. Bob 
answered all my questions, organized the correct technical people at the 
AMSOIL manufacturing plant (to whom I shipped the Land Rover air filter) who 
then made the correct filter. Actually, I don't know if the S1694 air filter 
is a newly designed filter or an exact match with a filter initially designed 
for another vehicle.

Mark Murphy
mmurphy@evolving.com

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:09:36 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Salisbury Rear in 88"

ericz@cloud9.net writes:

Snip
> If you're going to put a locker in, the general wisdom is to put it up front 
> (with locking hubs) on a part-time 4x4, less wear on the diffs that 
way.  
Snip

Hmmm, I'd have to dissagree here. I don't know what  "general  wisdom" 
is being refered to, but all I've heard, read and that logic tells me is 
just the opposite.

With a locker in the front you have at least two problems, depending 
on the type. With the automatic (Detroit style) locker you could get 
your vehicle thrown to the side when it engages, which could be 
dangerous in some off road situations. And on road too, for that 
matter, if you forget and leave your hubs engaged.
With the manual full locker (ARB type) it's hard to steer with the locker engaged.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:14:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu>
Subject: Re: Trailers and trailering

> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:49:12 -0500
> From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> >utility trailer for hauling and junkyard runs. Any advice and/or horror story 
> >would be appreciated.

I've been hauling an ex-US military 1/4 ton trailer with my 88 British 
military for several years now and couldn't be happier with it. Toss in 
compleate kitchen etc and head into the Maine woods regularly. A couple 
of nice features are the 16" wheels., pintle hitch(can't be borrowed 
easily) and the water tight integrity, also a spare aluminium Rover top 
fits perfectly for top seal, just hauled a half cord of long ash out to 
the camp yesterday in some snow and ice. The generator fits nice when 
remods and improvements need to be done.  Also there is somewhat of a 
glut on the market as these units were used behind jeeps that are now 
obsolete, the HUM-V uses a different unit, so as a result, the local 
knacker sells them for $300-$400 and you can get them for much less if 
you go to the auctions. The only thing that I would do to improve it 
would be to modify the hubs to accept Rover rims so that I would have two 
emergengy spares not using up valuable space.

Karl Kurz
Washington County Maine

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:29:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Dixon Kenner

On Sun, 17 Dec 1995 ASFCO@aol.com wrote:

> Dixon;       would you kindly contact me with your correct e-mail address.
> Have tried dkenner@emrl.eml.ca    a couple times with messages returned as
> unknown. Thanks  Steve

	dkenner@emr1.emr.ca if you like to type, just dkenner@emr.ca if you
	want to save a few keystrokes, though this may change to forestry.ca
	in the future (changed sectors within Natural Resources Canada, though
	am unsure if I am a tree hugger or a clear cutter...  They will tell
	me... :-)  Now, where are those logging road maps... :-))

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:39:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu>
Subject: Re: Trailers and trailering (fwd)

Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:14:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Karl Kurz <kkurz@acad.umm.maine.edu>
Subject: Re: Trailers and trailering

> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:49:12 -0500
> From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> >utility trailer for hauling and junkyard runs. Any advice and/or horror story 
> >would be appreciated.

I've been hauling an ex-US military 1/4 ton trailer with my 88 British 
military for several years now and couldn't be happier with it. Toss in 
compleate kitchen etc and head into the Maine woods regularly. A couple 
of nice features are the 16" wheels., pintle hitch(can't be borrowed 
easily) and the water tight integrity, also a spare aluminium Rover top 
fits perfectly for top seal, just hauled a half cord of long ash out to 
the camp yesterday in some snow and ice. The generator fits nice when 
remods and improvements need to be done.  Also there is somewhat of a 
glut on the market as these units were used behind jeeps that are now 
obsolete, the HUM-V uses a different unit, so as a result, the local 
knacker sells them for $300-$400 and you can get them for much less if 
you go to the auctions. The only thing that I would do to improve it 
would be to modify the hubs to accept Rover rims so that I would have two 
emergengy spares not using up valuable space.

Karl Kurz, N1JZY
Washington County, Maine

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:26:15 -0500
Subject: Another movie, another LR

My wife dragged me to see Sabrina this weekend.. she like Harrison Ford.
 Spotted an older  Range Rover in the Paris scene and Ford drove a new  4.0
in the Martha Vineyards scene.

The movie was fair.  One disappointing part was Angie Dickinson.  She looks
amazing like Tammie Faye Baker now.  

Gerry E.
Phx.AZ

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:07:43 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy

Dear all,
In a email yesterday someone said, we all own Rovers, lets poke fun at
Jeeps or Toyotas. Well I have a good one that some of you may or may not
know.
Did you know that the first ever Camel Trophy was run in Jeeps. Yup, that's
right the things we all love to hate. They found that the vehicles could
not take to abuse of a true off road adventure, so they had to switch to
Land Rover products.
Bring that fact up next time someone tries to say his Jeep is better than
your Rover, be it a series I or a Disco!

Mike Smith, ECR

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Trailers and trailering
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 16:15:25 GMT

Never had any trouble towing horse boxes with my 88".
Diesel,to boot.Double axle trailers,with mechanical
overrun brakes(which rarely work,in my experience).
Even had to load two horses in a shopping precinct
after dark,once.The lorry carrying them broke down
on the return journey from a show.The two girls got
them out and rode them forward,while I went and 
borrowed a trailer,and as it happened met them at
this shopping precinct.There was so much clobber
and people in the back of the Land Rover,the
jockeys had to ride with the horses in the front
of the trailer.It was OK,though.The horses didnt mind.
Also fetched a couple of Mk1 Ford Cortinas for a guy
who lived across the road.Double axled flatbed trailer
this time.First one was OK,but the second bastard was
an almost complete wreck,wheels binding,steering arms
broken,and as full as ever it could stick with spare
parts.Loading *that* caused a lot of inventive language.
Unloading it increased the vocabulary even more.The
towing was the easy bit.
FWIW I reckon the 88" is a good tool for towing.Your
rules in the US may be different,though,and you tend
to go farther afield,I would think.
Our approach(locally,anyway) is to hitch it up,and if
it wont move,its a bit too heavy.Dont tell the rozzers
though........
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: 18 Dec 95 11:53:56 EST
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Salisbury / Lockers / HD Half Shafts

Tom Rowe writes:

 >>ericz@cloud9.net writes:

 Snip
 > If you're going to put a locker in, the general wisdom is to put it up
front
 > (with locking hubs) on a part-time 4x4, less wear on the diffs that
 way.  Snip

 Hmmm, I'd have to dissagree here. I don't know what  "general  wisdom"
 is being refered to, but all I've heard, read and that logic tells me is just
the opposite. <<

 Tom,
   I have to agree with you. In fact, if the ARB installation is done
correctly for two axles, the front will not engage unless the rear has been
activated. I think it would be better to put a LSD on the front than a locker,
unless you use the airlocker.
    The nice thing about the air Lockers is that they are quickly and easily
activated, and if you have them on both axles they are independent of each
other. So while it is true that steering would be a B**** with a front diff
locked, you could switch it off for sharp turns and then back on when your
through. Besides, I don't see a airlocker as something that stays on very
long, mainly to get you through a tough section, or out of a jam, and then
turn it off.
    I think that I have decided against the Salisbury. Yesterday I compared a
109 axle with the 88. The 109 springs ride outboard of the frame rails, while
the 88 springs go under the frame. It would be necessary to cut the spring
mounts and reweld them a couple inches over. Even with a plasma cutter I think
I might have a little trouble getting them off moved and in the correct
location without losing some height. Besides the underside of the axle is a
little different between the two vehicles which might require further
modifications. Then there is the drive shaft which needs to be shortened. I
think it would be wiser just to but in some heavy duty half shafts, and hope
for the best.
    So this brings me to my question of the day. Does anyone have any
experience with heavy duty aftermarket half shafts. I know that British
Northwest sells some, but Charles has not been high on anyones list lately. I
seem to recall that there are several different types, but I don't remember
the differences between them. Are these unbreakable? Has anyone damaged
something else in the drivetrain because of stronger shafts?

 As always, your help is very appreciated.

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Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 18-Dec-1995

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:15:36 -0500
Subject: Front receiver-mounted bracket for lights?

I’ve  wanted to add an additional set of lights to the front of my Discovery
but have hesitated due to the fact that I really need some flexibility.   I
really need two different sets of lights depending on the activity.  

Would a receiver mounted  T-bar-type device work?  I already have a front
receiver and Warn winch setup..  If I have a square device that comes out of
the receiver an inch or two,  goes up and possibly back a bit, topped off by
a T-bar, I could mount the lights on it.  Then, I would only need one light
switch with a quick disconnect for each set of lights mounted on two
different brackets.  I could interchange one for the other depending on my
needs.  Or, I could leave them off completely.  

Am I missing something?  Seems extremely simple.... What do you folks think?
 Or is there already something on the market?  

Gerry E.
Phx, AZ

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:28:57 -0500
From: Stephen Thomas <stephen.thomas@tridom.com>
Subject: Disco Audio System

Gentle Readers:

>I wonder if this is related to the several second delay in 96 Disco 
>radios before any sound comes on. Someone guessed this was to allow 
>time for the aerial to rise,

Actually, I'd probably just give Land Rover (or maybe that's
Pioneer) credit for good audio design. The turn-on delay is in
the amplifier, not the radio head unit. This is considered
good practice as it prevents the amplifier from playing
(potentially speaker-damaging) transients that the head unit
may generate when it is first turned on.

(Now, if you're hearing buzzing during this turn-on delay,
you do have a minor problem. If it bugs you, a good audio
shop ought to be able to track down the noise source and
quiet it for you.)

At the risk of offending the sensibilities of the Series owners
out there, let me also take a shot a defending LR against those
that have complained that the volume is too low on the Disco
stereo. Good audio design suggests that the signal level from
the head unit to the amplifier be as high as practical. That
way much of the noise present in an auto environment (which
is typically at a level independent of the signal) is drowned
out by the signal. And what controls the signal level from
the head unit to the amp? The volume control. So, the best
setup is one in which the listener has to turn the volume 
control up nearly all the way.

I'd personally judge the Disco setup to be about perfect in this
respect, but it is a subjective standard. If you like your
music at hearing-loss-inducing levels, or if you frequently 
play poorer quality cassettes (pre-recorded cassettes generally
fall under this category), the volume may be too low. I haven't
poked around with the Disco's amplifier, but most amps include
a level or sensitivity control. If one exists, you should
be able to adjust it to accommodate your musical tastes and/or
sources. (Maybe someone with a shop manual can check this out?)

--Stephen

>but the NAS cars don't offer the 
>electric aerial which you can get in the U.K.

 
____________________________________________________________
Stephen Thomas
AT&T Tridom                 Phone: (770) 514-3522
840 Franklin Court          Fax:   (770) 514-3491
Marietta, GA 30067  USA     Email: stephen.thomas@tridom.com

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 12:31:14 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: US v8's in Rangies and my new motor!!

Hi all:

1. to answer someone's question,  the kits are available for GM sb from Marks,
   both for older LT95 4-sp and the 5-sp.  Pretty sure engine-auto and auto-
	x-fer case (LT85 only, of course) kits are also available.
    I've also seen sb Ford kits, Ford is a little narrower than the GM and the 3.5l. 
    These kits usually include a flywheel adaptor
   and new motor mounts.  Not sure about Chevys, but Ford sb's are externally balanced-
   make sure your parts match :)    I looked into these, but at $400-500 + headaches,
   I decided to stick with the Rover, as they can be built to 305 cid with cheap US
   parts.

2. As I am rebuilding my anemic 91 hp dual-worn-CD carbed v8, I found a nice rebuilt
   Olds 215, Isky cam, 10.5:1 CR, GM distributor, 4bbl mani and Carter carb.
   Included are 300 allum. heads and a crank for the Rover motor rebuild.  Will pick
   it up tonight, before the snow storm hits East Cost US.  Daryl from OZ found this
    motor for me in Philly (how'bout that!) - thanks, bud!

Regards
Jan

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:52:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jon Moody (BME)" <mood@rad.unc.edu>
Subject: unsubscribing....

unsubscribe

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:52:43 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Salisbury / Lockers / HD Half Shafts

Rob Dennis writes:
>  Tom,
>    I have to agree with you. In fact, if the ARB installation is done
> correctly for two axles, the front will not engage unless the rear has been
> activated. I think it would be better to put a LSD on the front than a locker,
> unless you use the airlocker.

Actually Rob, the LSD (wow, shades of the '60's) is what I was 
referring to (as well as detroit locker type diffs) about the chance 
of the vehicle being suddenly pulled to one side. I think the safe 
route is totally open diff in the front, or an ARB type diff.
As for heavy duty half shafts, DAP (when it was owned by Al) sold a 
manually locking diff (from AU I think) that included heavy duty half 
shafts.

Not to insult, but I wonder how much driving technique has to do with 
broken shafts. In all my years of driving LR's (well, only a little over 20) 
I've only broken one. That includes moving some very heavy loads both 
on & off-road. I do try to be careful in slippery condidtions not to 
hit solid ground with wheels spinning.
Perhaps others can comment on this. Am I just really lucky and now 
that I've typed this I'll be breaking several a year?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: cs@crl.com
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:21:45 +0000
Subject: Re: Series IIA power steering (again)

 Wouter de Waal <wrm@ccii.co.za> writes:

:I don't believe it! Does _nobody_ know the answer, or don't you people like
:me? :-)

 Well, we're probably just a little jealous of your late Spring weather :)
 Up here we are just beginning to deal with the wet and sticky stuff, and
 we're also a bit preoccupied with the Holidays upon us.... NAH!! You're
 right, we DON'T like you! ;)

:What is the accepted / best / easiest / cheapest way to fit power steering
:to a series landy? I'll be doing a chassis-up resto soon, and I'd like the
:SO to be able to drive the beast too.

 I don't know about adding PS to a Series Land Rover, never heard of anyone
 doing it.  However, for a Mercedes Unimog 404 of 50's and 60's vintage (a
 bear to drive off-road without power steering :) the method is to attach
 the power steering pump relay to the engine block and change the fan belt or
 get a multiple fan belt pulley to drive the pump.  Next, attach the steering
 sensors to the steering column, requires opening the stationary outside
 shaft to attach the unit too and feel the inside shaft for movement.  Then
 replace the steering damper (shock absorber) with the hydraulic ram that
 effects the steering.  Brackets may have to be made to properly transfer
 the forces without breaking off.  If the system fails, you are back to
 manual steering =:O  For the Unimog 404, a '70 Ford pickup provides the
 proper parts, total cost US$200.  Hope this helps, your mileage may vary %)

 If you get a system to work, let me know, as we have a '65 IIA.

 Holiday Cheers!!

 Michael Carradine, Architect                          Ph/Fax 510-988-0900
 Carradine Studios, PO Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA    <cs@crl.com>
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:31:55 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Plushmobiles

In message <199512161502.KAA14861@butler.uk.stratus.com> Mark Ritter writes:
;
Wheweee! I've been Singed to the bone!
;
; 
> In response to Teri Anne Wakemans article I would like to defend my Disco as 
; an
> extremely capable off-roader that gets one to the trail quickly and in 
> comfort.
;
NEVER once did I ever say that the Disco was not a very capable off road
Land Rover.  Even when I coined the term plushmobile I asserted that
I believe them to be very capable off road cars.  I have been on
multiple runs with Discos and have seen what they are capable of.  The only
times I have seen their owner's balk at a situation was when the obstical was
too tall for their ground clearence or when the danger of bending a panel
was high.
;
I think that are very capable cars but personally would have liked
to see them designed to have greater gound clearence.  This isn't a
factor in many off road situations, but it is on a number of runs I have
been on over the years.
;
> I resent the lable of yuppie-mobile.
;
Golly your touchy.  I prefer plushmobile myself.  Compaired to the series/
Defenders the Discos are very plush.  I didn't make a value judgement about
plush cars.  Many people look at plushness as a status symbol.  I generally
think of it as something more to maintain/ go wrong.  But I tend to be a 
minimalist in some things.  I don't personally put a value rating
on plushness levels of a car.  I thought plushmobile was a catchy phrase.
;
If you put a negative value on the level of plushness a car has its your 
problem.
;
> In fact some of the yuppies in my club  are
> the most ardent series owners.
;
So it goes to show that plushness or lack of it is not a yuppie
attribute.
;
 Before she lambasts the Camel Trophy Disco's
;
I didn't lambast Camel Trophy Discos.  I speculated that the reason that 
Discos are used in the Camel Trophy events is because the company
that was providing the free cars for the event wanted to use the event 
as a way advertising that Discos are capable off road cars.  I suspect
the Rover marketing people weren't sure that the new Disco was going to 
be accepted, and thought they needed something that they could point to.
I suspect that this is why Defenders got replaced by Discos on the Camel
Trophy events.  Not because Rover thought that the Disco was a better
off road car than a Defender.
;
Of course I also mentioned that I think the level of vehical support for
the event is extreamly high.  The ford Tarus comment was an inside joke
from a West coast Land Rover run made last spring in Mendoceno.  
Unfortunatly the attempt at humor was lost on people not familure with
that run.  My appologies for that one.
;
> Anyone wishing to call Mac a yuppie had better have good dental
> insurance.
;
I guess yuppie has become a touchy fighting word among the Disco crowd.
;
> I hardly think Ms. Wakemans series Rover could do a better job
> crossing Borneo that a Disco.
;
Maybe, but if someone were willing to fund the attempt and provide a high level
of logistical support I would love to give it a try.  I bet I could also
find a Disco owner volunteer who would love to accompany me.
;
Letsee, I have the advantage of fewer parts to break.  The disadvantage of 
much older parts more apt to break.  My 109 is shod with 265/70 16 B F
Goodrich Mud Terrains that gives me more ground clearence than a Disco has.
I think I can wade deeper than a US spec Disco and recover faster from being 
submerged too deep.  The Disco has an advantage in
articulation and turning radius (109s take a couple of city blocks to turn).
The Disco has the advantage in engine power (109 2-1/4 L petrol is 
0 to 60 same day) but at slow speeds the 109 holds her own.  The 109 has
the advantage in carrying capacity, and mine has capacity for 44 gallons
of petrol, probably outranging the Disco.  I can comfortably sleep
inside my 109 two door.  Of course with air conditioning, a CD player,
and the softer suspension the Disco driver will be more refreshed and
comfortable (But I have a refrigerator in mine for cold brews as needed)
;
It might be an interesting run.  Please let me know if you find a backer
to cover the financial end of things
;
> Don't get me wrong I love the look and feel of the series vehicles. When
> finances and storage space allow I plan on gettign one myself. I would love 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> litre
> V8's and 44" tires are not the only solution to North GA clay and granite.
;
Sounds like a coil sprung European spec D90 fits your description better 
than a 88.  I personally think the D90s are the best of the breed for 
short duration runs or long duration runs that have support cars.
;

> Anyway Comments like yuppie and plushmobile are the sort of derision we don't
> need on the list. A Land Rover is a Land Rover no matter what it cost or when 
> it
> was built.
;
Gosh I'm in for it.  I like the term plushmobile but please understand I 
don't mean it as a negitive word.
;
The people who should be flaming me are the owners of the new Range Rovers not
a Disco jocky.  I never end up with what I expect
> 							Mark Ritter
> 							94 Disco
> 							Yes, I do wave!
> was built.
sigh

TeriAnn

twakeman@apple.com

              
                         
                       

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:42:53 -0500 (EST)
From: m8f@ornl.gov (M Scott Fugate)
Subject: Range Rover Climate Control

Enlighten me, oh sage list, in the mysteries of the Range Rover climate
control system.

I am having a problem with ambient temperature (i.e. cold) air coming in
through the dash vents on my '89. I get cool(ish) air out of the screen
vents, too, especially the one to the immediate left of the binnacle.  I was
under the impression that this duct system was for A/C only.  A/C is
definitely not on.  The fresh air vent lever on the left of the control
panel has little or no effect on the cold draft.  Fan speed does not,
either, but vehicle speed certainly does.  Closing the louvers helps some,
but cold air still leaks out.  Obviously I have a vent stuck open up under
there somewhere, but my shop manual does not shed any light on where to
start looking.  Incidently, this same problem is obviously a contributor to
my seemingly half hearted A/C cooling this past summer.  The mixing effect
of the warm ambient air flowing in and the refrigerated A/C air masked the leak.

Has anybody done any exploring into the terra incognita of the inner dash.
Seems as I remember a thread a while back on RR misting problems.  Any of
those guys still around?

A million thanks.

Scott Fugate
1970 IIA 88
1989 RR

P.S. to Mark Talbot - Spliced the turn switch into my housing - works great!
Thanks.

BT

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Subject: Re: Salisbury / Lockers / HD Half Shafts 
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:53:13 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199512181657.LAA01642@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote:
>     So this brings me to my question of the day. Does anyone have any
> experience with heavy duty aftermarket half shafts. I know that British
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> the differences between them. Are these unbreakable? Has anyone damaged
> something else in the drivetrain because of stronger shafts?

	About a month ago this was discussed on the mendo list.  So Granville
doesn't have to retype his post, I'll forward it off.  (If it isn't obvious,
BP=British Pacific)

--------begin forward-------------------------
From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:04:44 -0800
Subject: Re: Axles

BP, when the original owners had it, sold something called "unbreakable
axles" and I had them in one of my 88s.  I broke one.  Part of the "legend"
if you will about the axle shafts as "shear pins" is that the genuine axles
will break in a clean cone shape without fraying.  Many of the aftermarket
axles will fray and in so doing jam the carrier bearing in the diff, causing
it to be destroyed.  The "unbreakable" axle shaft from BP that I broke did
this; I've still got that diff in a box to rebuild.  I discussed this with
Steve Hedke a while back and he agreed that these axles did have such a
problem (not to mention the fact that they were indeed breakable) and so
were discontinued.  Because of this I am wary of any alledgedly bullet-proof
axle shafts.  The weak axle shafts are a indeed a pain but not as big a pain
as rebuilding a diff, let alone a gearbox (which can also break when when an
axle breaks if it jams the drivetrain).

--------end forward---------------------------

Ben

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:54:47 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Plushmobiles

In message <199512171715.MAA00507@butler.uk.stratus.com> "John C. White, III" 
writes:
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Oh yeah?!  Well, TeriAnn's mom drives a Jeep!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> So there!
> John

Well actually its an AMC Eagle last time i looked.

I rode in a jeep once.  Does that count?

TeriAnn

twakeman@apple.com

              
                         
                       

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:57:03 -0600
Subject: Shocks & springs for Series

Hi all,

In anticipation of my frame replacement project...

What kind are the "genuine" shocks, as sold in the RN catalog for Series 
vehicles? I need new shocks, but I can't afford the RS5000s that I really 
want. I'm looking for something to get me through for a year or two of normal 
road driving and light off-road. 

Also, a couple months ago there was a talk of a spring company out east that 
made Rover springs. I'm going to need a rear pair for my 88". Who were they, 
anybody use them? Anyone have a decent pair or rear springs that'd be worth 
the investment in shipping?

I hate to do all this on the cheap, but I need to get running again, then I 
can go back and upgrade those components as they fail - I'm on a pretty tight 
budget right now.

Thanks,

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW "now in challenging kit form!"

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:56:03 -0500
From: Fred Ellsworth <fellswor@camb-lads.loral.com>
Subject: Series of questions II

Hi all,
My first series of questions got nixed (at least for me) by one of the
majodomo mixups, so here we go again:

1)  Just how much is too much to grind Series brake drums?  The manual says
.003" over for the 10" drums on my 88", but they are several times over
that already and need some serious grinding to get a decent surface once
again.  None of the shops around here will regrind them knowing they are so
far over.  One guy said they'd "probably" be ok if I could find someone
who'd do it- but he recommended against it.  Everyone else just said to get
new ones.  I seek truth.

2)  I'm starting to get a slight wobble in the steering wheel at certain
speeds which makes me think an alignment is in order.  Is this something
any old cheapo tire place can do for $29.95 or is there something special
about my '71 SIIA 88"  that screams for more money?

3)  Does anyone know the part number of a good, inexpensive replacement for
the steering dampener shock on series vehicles?

4)  There was a thread awhile back on vaccuum gauges & how valuable they
were in diagnosing problems.  There's a hole in my dash and a gauge in my
toolbox just itchin for a pleasant union but- does the vaccuum line from
the gauge splice into the dist. vaccuum advance line or the brake booster
vaccuum line?  Opinion has been running 50-50, please make up my mind for
me...

Thanks in advance for any info,\

Fred
'71 IIA 88"

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Subject: Re: Salisbury / Lockers / HD Half Shafts 
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:00:29 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Tom Rowe wrote:

> Not to insult, but I wonder how much driving technique has to do with 
> broken shafts. In all my years of driving LR's (well, only a little over 20) 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Perhaps others can comment on this. Am I just really lucky and now 
> that I've typed this I'll be breaking several a year?

	Breaking of half shafts is related to how agressively one drives a
Rover.  Personally I have broken 4 in the last 4 years.  (Two came with the
Rover, so I don't if it was preexisting problem and two were aftermarket).
All broke mostly cleanly (some were double breaks and I needed to take the
diff apart to get the broken bit out).  I am an agressive driver, but I try
to minimize wheel spin.  In this timespan I have put 70,000 miles on my
Rover and it is my daily driver.  YMMV.

Ben

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: wading of plushmobiles 
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:05:06 -0800

  sv/aurens wrote:
  True enough, about the TDi. But one trial in Mundo Maya showed that the
    Disco is not just an espresso machine with off road capabilities. When
    crossing a river, 20 participants were to bring two Discos over with 
ropes
    only. A picture in Bilmagasinet 11/95 (danish) shows the drill. On one 
car
    you can only see the front part of the roof rack and the "Camel Trophy"
    sign.

Benjamin Smith wrote:
This was one of the special tasks.  They split into two teams and 
attempted to see who could get the Discos across first.  The lines for both 
Discos fouled.  Both teams decided that the task was just a bunch of B*** 
S*** 
and refused to complete the task.  The oranaizers informed teams that they 
had 
to recover the vehicles.  So under the leadership of U.S. team member Jim 
Sweat,
the entire group recovered first one Disco, then the other.

Then I added:
This was shown, briefly in the video. During the trip across the river it 
looked like the current caught the LR's and washed them off a relatively 
shallow crossing into some DEEP (i.e. roof-deep) water. Finally, once they 
dragged the dunked rovers onto the other shore (with water pouring from the 
doors!) They looked pretty ragged, i.e. I don't think they picked the best 
models of the trip for this special task. Now if you think a Disco's heavy 
empty imagine what it must be when it's full of water! I wouldn't consider 
this a viable demonstration of the Disco's wading ability rather a 
demonstration of the skills and abilities of the CT participants.

    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

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From: DEBROWN@pabvmsys.SRP.GOV
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 13:20:47 MST
Subject: LR is a LR.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: LR is a LR.
Mark's comment "A Land Rover is a Land Rover no matter what it cost or when
it was built." as well as the sentiment that we don't need the "mine vs.
yours" attitudes on this list is well worth heeding!

Please! They're ALL incredible machines, each with it's own advantages and
limitations!

I wish I could afford one or ALL models!

Dave (peacemaker) Brown

And yes, I push my "plushmobile" to it's limits! (Well, haven't found the
"limits" yet, but not afraid to try new things!)

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 "(_)""""(_)"    "(_)"""""""(_)"    ||_/_\___|__/_\_|}      (_)    (_)
                                       (_)      (_)
 1971 "88" IIa   1970 "109" IIa     1994 Discovery (Sold) '87 Range Rover
 LIC: LION B8    Historic plates     (Too hard to "draw")  rear Lock-Right

Someday... a D90. Sigh...

#=======#          ________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___     /__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}   \_/-\_|__/-\_|}
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:39:47 -0800
From: cyoungso@Direct.CA (Chris Youngson)
Subject: Goodyear G90 tires

I left a message at the Goodyear Tire Co. WWW site regarding G90 tires. 
Here is the message they sent me. A very fast response too!

12/18/95
  
Re your recent internet request regarding the G90 Military Tire.  This product
line is not available through Goodyear Canada.  In fact, I have not even been
able to confirm a valid part number for the product.  In the 7.50 R 16 size, we
have two tires available, the Wrangler AT (Product Code # 740-356-399) and the
Wrangler HT (Product Code # 744-238-847).  Both of these products are available
at the Vancouver warehouse, and both tires are 8 ply rated.  I hope that this
is helpful.
  
Regards,
  
Graeme Crawford, Technical Assistance Representative,
Goodyear Customer Assistance Centre (Canada).
USGTRZJT@ibmmail.com

Just thought I'd let people know seeing as ther was an artical on the tire
in LRO(W).
They look like a good tire. 73

Chris Youngson, VE7CST
West Vancouver, BC
1965 109

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:44:37 +0000
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Series of questions II

Fred Ellsworth <fellswor@camb-lads.loral.com> writes:

:2)  I'm starting to get a slight wobble in the steering wheel at certain
:speeds which makes me think an alignment is in order.  Is this something
:any old cheapo tire place can do for $29.95 or is there something special
:about my '71 SIIA 88"  that screams for more money?

 After tweaking your alignment, try a new steering dampener.  My wobble at
 55+ mph on a '72 Series III went away after putting in new Rancho shocks
 and dampener.  Someone said earlier that Rancho is having a sale right now,
 4 shocks for $99! 

:3)  Does anyone know the part number of a good, inexpensive replacement for
:the steering dampener shock on series vehicles?

 The Rancho part numbers are on the Rover Connection page under Series
 Aftermarket Parts, the URL is http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 which also lists other goodies :)

 For the Web impaired---

     Shock Absorber 88" Front       RTC-4230   Gabriel G53494, Rancho* RS5163
     Shock Absorber 88" Rear        RTC-4232   Gabriel G53299, Rancho RS5169
     HD Shock Absorber 88" Front    RTC-4234   Gabriel G63494
     HD Shock Absorber 88" Rear     RTC-4235   Gabriel G63299
     Shock Absorber 109" Front      RTC-4483   Rancho RS5119(was RS5164)
     Shock Absorber 109" Rear       RTC-4442   Rancho RS5117
     HD Shock Absorber 109" Front   RTC-4484   Rancho RS5164
     HD Shock Absorber 109" Rear    RTC-4236   Rancho RS5157
     Steering Stabilizer            STC-786    Rancho RS5402

     *Rancho Customer Service 310-630-0700

 Holiday Cheer!!                             \ /
                                            --*--
                          ______             / \
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:00:54 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: LR is a LR.

Wasn't it Shakespeare who said something to the effect,
 "A Land Rover by any other name would leak as much."?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:15:04 -0800
From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Kevin Kelly writes:
> I will be writing a full article on the event with photos for an upcoming
> issue of the Land Rover Owner Association (LROA) Aluminum Workhorse Magazine.

Kevin, thanks for the background on '96 US team final four.  Can you tell
me about Aluminum Workhorse Magazine?    

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From: howtaw@hg.uleth.ca
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:20:20 MST
Subject: Resent topics

I just have to get in my two cents here.

Robert Dennis asks about puting a Salisbury in a 88; you do have to move the
spring pads in to narrow the spread,  the propshaft does need to be shortend
a small amount,  it does make a good conversion if you already have an exta
Salisbury kicking around.  However there are other options that may work better
for you, ie Robert MacNamara's(not sure of spelling) manual locking diffs come 
with stronger half shafts and cost about $600 or $700 Canadian.

William Adams asks about trailering with a series Rover;  I once pulled a
two axled trailer for about 400km on highway 1 in Alberta(mostly flat or
rolling hills).  When weighed at a truck scale it came in at 7500 pounds and
the 1965 88 topped 3500 pounds.  Total of 11 000 pounds,  the 88 was a little
squiraly and the average speed was about 60km.  About a week latter both rear
half shafts failed pulling away from a drive way.  From then on I have used my
109 with a 2.5L petrol and a Salisbury for this kind of work.  Its safer and 
cheaper.

About the great Disco debate, I like them but would not use one like in the CT.
Also several people were asking about the roof rack loads on the CT Discos,
The CT Discos have a modified rear suspention to aid them,  don't try it on 
a standard model.  I would not use my 109 like in the CT either (all sides
happy?).

Has anyone put a Detroit or Lockright locker in the rear of a 109?  How did it
work out?  How about any other types of locker?

Andrew Howton

82 109 2door
67 109 NADA (non runner)
8? 110 2door (under constuction)

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:49:54 -0800
Subject: Where oh where to put those lockers!

Tom recommends that the locker be put on the rear:

I wholeheartedly agree if you want to put an automatic locker in.  Having a LSD 
lock up on the front could be very interesting, to say the least.

If, however, you want to put a manual locker in (which I wrongly assumed was the 
intended addition) I would still consider puting it on the front.  My logic is 
much the same as that of putting chains on the front axle first.  If you can 
only put one locker in a vehicle it would seem logical to put it where its going 
to have the most control.  On the front, not only can you get traction going 
straight ahead but on a turn as well.  True, steering might be a little more 
difficult when traction comes back, but you can just unlock the diff at that 
point.

Anyway, that's my take on the whole thing but until my financial resources 
improve (Santa, are you listening?) I won't be able to try a locker on either 
diff!

Regards,
Eric

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Date: 18 Dec 95 16:53:41 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: More sightings on TV

     In the last few days an advert for a Canon cam corder has been playing 
     two shots include a very dusty looking sand colored 90 soft top with 
     either hood sticks still up or a roll cage-
     
     these are truly fleeting glimpses perhaps just a few seconds or two 
     each but its there!!!!!
     
     regards
     chris browne
     brit in boston
     95 disco, 

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:18:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, gary madden wrote:

> Kevin, thanks for the background on '96 US team final four.  Can you tell
> me about Aluminum Workhorse Magazine?    

	The Aluminium Workhorse is the quarterly newsletter of the Land
	Rover Owners Association, a huge (by NA standards, 600 members 
	approx) west coast USA based club.  A list of all of the know
	Land Rover clubs can be found in the FAQ at:

		http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/RoverWeb/

	Where web sites exist for clubs, there are links to those clubs.
	The listings include addresses, size, membership information,
	newsletter size and frequency, profile.

	Rgds,

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:31:05
From: IIIDmentia@gnn.com (WILLIAM ADAMS)
Subject: Re: Shocks & springs for Series

I don't know about aftermarket shocks. I'm sure there are some out there that 
fit for $14.99 a piece. The Rover engineers spec'ed a shock that will perform 
the chores you have described. Trust them. They design and make cars that 
last for decades.
As for your spring woes, check your local yellow pages under 'springs' and 
you'll find local merchants more than happy to recondition your Rover springs 
maybe for a lot less than new, if you offer to take them for a drive.

All my troubles are Rover

Bill Adams
3Dmentia Video Animation
4016 Spruell Drive
Kensington,MD 20895
301-949-9475

1966 S2a 109" SW Diesel "Keeping it stock in the face of common sense"

" One of these days I'm going to have this thing melted down and hammered into a coffin,
because when they lay me out it will be THIS son of a bitch that put me in it."

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:01:49 +0000
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Shocks & springs for Series

 Tim Harincar <Harincar@mooregs.com> writes:

:What kind are the "genuine" shocks, as sold in the RN catalog for Series 
:vehicles? I need new shocks, but I can't afford the RS5000s that I really 
:want. I'm looking for something to get me through for a year or two of normal 
:road driving and light off-road.

 Someone posted a message saying Rancho 5000's are on sale at 4/$99!!

     Shock Absorber 88" Front       RTC-4230   Gabriel G53494, Rancho* RS5163
     Shock Absorber 88" Rear        RTC-4232   Gabriel G53299, Rancho RS5169
     HD Shock Absorber 88" Front    RTC-4234   Gabriel G63494
     HD Shock Absorber 88" Rear     RTC-4235   Gabriel G63299
     Shock Absorber 109" Front      RTC-4483   Rancho RS5119(was RS5164)
     Shock Absorber 109" Rear       RTC-4442   Rancho RS5117
     HD Shock Absorber 109" Front   RTC-4484   Rancho RS5164
     HD Shock Absorber 109" Rear    RTC-4236   Rancho RS5157
     Steering Stabilizer            STC-786    Rancho RS5402

     *Rancho Customer Service 310-630-0700

:Also, a couple months ago there was a talk of a spring company out east that
:made Rover springs. I'm going to need a rear pair for my 88". Who were they,
:anybody use them? Anyone have a decent pair or rear springs that'd be worth
:the investment in shipping?

 Probably was Young's Springs, as listed in the Land Rover Aftermarket Parts
 list on WWW URL :  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html   brought to you by
 Mike Hoskins of Mid-America Rover, Kansas City, MO Tel/Fax 816-763-3797
 For the Web impaired:
_________________________
High Performance Products

     Distributor         Mallory 273-2001. Mechanical dual point (replaces
                         ERC-6986)   
     Carburetor          Weber 32/35 DGV-5A, Available at VW Parts Stores
     Intake Manifold     Pierce, Tel. 408-842-6667 or 800-874-3728
     Exhaust Header      Clifford Performance 50-0416, Tel. 909-734-3310
     Exhaust System      Stainless Steel Muffler Corp. Tel. 905-792-7770,
                         905-792-3673 Fax
     Clutch              Centerforce, 714-898-4477 (matched to '74 Vega)
     Leaf Spring         Young's Springs, Inc., Rutland VT Tel. 802-773-7237
     Engine Adaptor      Scotty's Foreign Car Service, Concord CA 510-686-2255
     Engine Adaptor      Advance Adapters Inc., Paso Robles CA Tel. 805-238-7000
     Transmission        Mid-America Rover, Kansas City, MO Tel/Fax 816-763-3797
     Winch               Warn Industries, 800-522-9276

:I hate to do all this on the cheap, but I need to get running again, then I 
:can go back and upgrade those components as they fail - I'm on a pretty tight 
:budget right now.

 Aren't we all?:)

 Holiday Cheer!!                             \ /
                                            --*--
                          ______             / \
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:12:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy

>In a email yesterday someone said, we all own Rovers, lets poke fun at
>Jeeps or Toyotas.
Why do we LR owners need to poke fun at anybody? Do you think Jeep owners
trade LR tales? Let's stick to discussing LRs. In fact I'm tired of the
Disco/RR vs. Series discussions.

David Cockey
60 SII SW
60 SII PU
80% 59 SII SW

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:29:45 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Disco pricing

I now find myself in the market for a new Discovery.  The rice rocket is 
laid up with a supposed head gasket/coolant leak (though the cylinder 
pressure is up and level on all) while the Rover is having major surgery 
-rear frame crossmember.  I've had the replacement piece for over two years; 
I just didn't want to hassle with it right now.  Anyway, when you get a 
wife/kid/dogs, you need more room than an 88 can provide....

Anyway, are there any dealers willing to *deal* on a new Disco?  I'm looking 
at the bottom end, box-stock SD model.  Does anyone know the margin on these 
vehicles so I can have a little wiggle room in dealing with these jokers?

Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:56:51 -0500
Subject: Front receiver

Where does a front receiver on a Disco attach on the vessel? Where do 
I go to get one mounted? Do air bag considerations affect this?

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy 
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:21:03 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199512182312.SAA02125@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote:

> Why do we LR owners need to poke fun at anybody? Do you think Jeep owners
> trade LR tales? Let's stick to discussing LRs. In fact I'm tired of the
> Disco/RR vs. Series discussions.

	Well now that Mike Fredette is back on the list, is it time for
the biannual Defender vs. Series debate between Mike and Dixon?  (And whoever
gets suck in)  That always proves to be amusing to read.  No matter what 
happens Rover folks seem to like to debate/poke fun at just about anything.  
Ignore it and it will go away for another 6 months.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:19:09 -0800
From: slade@teleport.com (Michael Slade)
Subject: Re: D90SW

Whoever it was who posted the original note about the D90 SW, I second all
the comments and agree that the interior certainly looks nice.

I particularly liked the rear door.  As my 109 has a trailer hitch, I am
unable to use the rear tire carrier.   On the D90 the tire is high and a
little off-center to the right (toward the hinges), which BTW are SII.
Also the interior trim of the rear door was really neat too.  There was a
one-piece plastic-textury covering (deciepher that if you can) that covered
the motor for the rear wiper and integrated with the inside handle of the
rear door.  Oh, I also noticed on the D110 (which was parked in the same
lot) the little sticker on the rear door that says it can only be
locked/unlocked from the outside.  Didn't notice if that was the case on
the D90.  So, now I'm thinking that a 110/90 rear door is where it's at.
Any ideas?  The rear defogger would be nice here in rain-land (Portland).

I also wondered about the interior roll cage and thought that they should
have had a full cage like on the soft-tops that extended toward the rear.
The cage is pretty nice though and installed looks to be a tight quiet fit.

The headliner and rear trim pieces for the side windows in back was also
nice.  Are these available aftermarket or from land rover?

I noticed that the rear jump-seats had little stickers that said NAS.  Does
that stand for North American Spec.?  They didn't look any different from
the NAS D110 rear seats, or for that matter any of the rear seats I'd seen
in D90's in LRO.  Curious.  One thing about the seats tho, they were in
grey tweed all around, not that vinyl stuff as on the soft tops.

Oh, and in the rear bed there is a fitted piece of carpet that goes up the
side and covers the top of the wheel wells.  Nice.  Kind of a grey
indoor-outdoor thing, but not like astro-turf.  It made me think the rear
section noise would be very quiet.  Now I'm wondering about getting that
piece as well.

The best accessory was a cardboard box that was flat and closed with a gold
foil seal that said "Gold Standard Welcome" or some pish-posh like that.  I
am assuming that's where the courtesy Camel Trophy book and off-road
driving video go.  Hope that's really what those shiny D90's will be used
for.

I photographed two D90's today.  One was Conniston Green and the other was
the Marine Blue.  The Green one was in the garage having some last minute
details looked after.  I didn't ask, no one was working on it when I was
shooting.  I got plenty of interior and detail shots of the roll bar,
headliner, carpet, rear door and tire mounting.  I wanted to really go at
it and document it fully, but since it was already paid for by a customer I
figured that it was a bad idea.  However I did get a thorough look at it
and hope to have photos developed by Christmas.

The Blue one was outside and had just returned from a detail job in
preperation for the buyer to pick it up.  I shot it in the lot among lots
of Disco's and a few obligatory shots of my 109 (and one w/me in it too) :)

So, I'll be glad to supply pics to which ever WWW site wants them.  As long
as I can link to it when I get my page up.

To interested parties, just let me know.

The photos are better than writing about it, but you know what they say, a
picture is worth..........

Later,

Michael

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Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 02:03:35 +0000
From: Dave White <davew@landie.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Salisbury for 88

>    I have been thinking of putting a Salisbury axle on the rear end of my 88.
>From what I have been told, they were only made for the 109 so it is necessary
>to modify the axle to fit the 88.

The Salisbury Axle is virtually indestructable, but as you suggested requires
Spring mounting points to be cut off and re-welded into a new position to
suit the 88".
Again, as you supposed, the rear propshaft will require shortening to suit.

The main disadvantage of the Salisbury of-road is its reduced ground clearance
(approx 1") due to it's larger bulk. It's amazing how often that single inch
can get you stuck, especially when you are caught in deep ruts.

The standard axle is IMHO up to the job for most applications with the 2 1/4
engine - now if you want to run a V8 through a series box that's another
matter :-)

----------------------------------------------------
Dave White.
'72 SWB SIII V8 Auto R/R Chassis and running gear.
'89 Range Rover
Yorkshire Rover Owners Club UK

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Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy 
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:56:17 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Ben wisely told us:
> Ignore it and it will go away for another 6 months.

Daryl Webb comments:
> Hmmm tried that with my engine noises,  nope still there 6 months later,
> never went away.
> Maybe I need to wait at least a year for it to go away.

	My experience is that engine noises never truly go away on their
own.  They get louder and more ominous.  Then one day all of the engine noises 
go away (sometimes just after a big *boom*).

	Moral:  Engine noises are not related to the "My ___ is better than
your ___" noise which is found on most mailing lists.

	Second Observation:  At least the RR vs Series debate is marginally on 
topic.  It's not like people are debating the merits of emacs vs. vi.  
[I think it's time to exit stage left before that emacs lynch mob finds me] :)

Ben

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:07:47 +1030 (CST)

Ben wisely tells us:
> Ignore it and it will go away for another 6 months.

Hmmm tried that with my engine noises,  nope still there 6 months later,
never went away.
Maybe I need to wait at least a year for it to go away.

cheers
-- 

  Daryl

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:50:52 +1030 (CST)

> 	Moral:  Engine noises are not related to the "My ___ is better than
> your ___" noise which is found on most mailing lists.
 
> 	Second Observation:  At least the RR vs Series debate is marginally on 
> topic.  It's not like people are debating the merits of emacs vs. vi.  

Ooops did I misunderstand the topic....  terribly sorry, I must have got my
noises mixed up  :-)
I always get a complex when this series V's disco/rangie stuff comes up.
Seems no one loves a stage 1...
The series folk dont like us 'cause we got a V8, full time 4x4 and some of us
have factory cloth bucket seats and sound deadening. The "Plushmobile" (hey I
*love* this term, it rates with Ben Eltons "Toyonissan wankmobile") people
dont want us 'cause we got drum brakes, leaf springs, and leak like sieves. 

-- 

Daryl "V8,leaf springs,drum brakes,plastic dash,metal grill and proud" Webb 

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Disco pricing
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 19:43:59 PST

> Anyway, are there any dealers willing to *deal* on a new Disco?  I'm looking 
> at the bottom end, box-stock SD model.  Does anyone know the margin on these 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>       |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
>       |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
>       *-----------------------------------------------------*
One of my co-workers here in Detroit, of questionable Middle East desent
decided that he wanted a Disco. After argueing with the local dealer for
months, he wrote to every dealer east of the mississippi. He got one dealer
to give him $1000.00 off sticker, and then proceded to call every other
dealer, stating this one dealer was giving him $2000.00 off sticker.
The long and the short of it was that he did manage to get the local dealer
to match the $1000.00 off the sticker. He now drives a black disco....

Russ Burns

> Anyway, are there any dealers willing to *deal* on a new Disco?  I'm looking 
> at the bottom end, box-stock SD model.  Does anyone know the margin on these 
> vehicles so I can have a little wiggle room in dealing with these jokers?

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:02:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Shocks & springs for Series

On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Michael Carradine wrote:

>  Probably was Young's Springs, as listed in the Land Rover Aftermarket Parts
>  list on WWW URL :  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html   brought to you by
>  Mike Hoskins of Mid-America Rover, Kansas City, MO Tel/Fax 816-763-3797
>  For the Web impaired:

	There is also another more extensive list of alternate parts
	in the Land Rover FAQ at http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/FAQ.top.html

	This list is brought to you via OVLR and the members of ROAV,
	LRO list members...

	Rgds,

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Date: 18 Dec 95 23:06:18 EST
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Airlockers, Diffs, Shafts & More

 Tom Rowe Writes:
 Not to insult, but I wonder how much driving technique has to do with
 broken shafts. In all my years of driving LR's (well, only a little over 20)
I've only broken one. That includes moving some very heavy loads both
 on & off-road. I do try to be careful in slippery condidtions not to
 hit solid ground with wheels spinning.
 ---- SNIP ----

 I imagine driving has a lot to do with snapping shafts. I have also only
broken one shaft in the Rover but since then have found myself much more
careful with how I treat them. While this extends their life, I am sure that I
will break another, and as Murphy would have it, at the most inopportune time.
Knowing that the shafts HAVE a limit is one thing, but it is impossible to
know exactly what that limit is. Sooner or later I am sure I will exceed it.
Having a locked differential, can only help to increase the loads seen by the
shafts. That is one of the reasons I was thinking of changing to the
Salisbury. I think it would be a better just to keep the Rover axle and do
what I can to increase the strength of the shaft. Granville Pool mentioned the
McNamara and Maxi-Drive diffs in his message earlier today. While I had not
heard of either of these I will look at them before I make my decision. I
would prefer a locking diff that completely disengages when not and use, (or
at least one where I can control its activation) and is activated from within
the vehicle.

 Benjamin Smith forward another message from Granville:

  Part of the "legend" if you will about the axle shafts as "shear pins" is
that the genuine axles will break in a clean cone shape without fraying.  Many
of the aftermarket axles will fray and in so doing jam the carrier bearing in
the diff, causing it to be destroyed.
 ---- SNIP ----

 When I snapped the shaft on the 88, it to frayed. I have no idea of the
source of the shaft. I replaced it with genuine axles, so hopefully it will
exhibit this clean "cone shape" and hopefully cause less damage. Rebuilding
diffs is something I would rather not have to do again. At least now I have a
spare.

Again, Thank you for your thoughts

     -------------------
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_======_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_%%%%%_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     | %%###%% |     |
   |     | %%###%% |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#%@@@%#_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
  [_________//_\\_________]
     |\/|           |\/|

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 18-Dec-1995

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:25:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy 

On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote:

> 	Well now that Mike Fredette is back on the list, is it time for
> the biannual Defender vs. Series debate between Mike and Dixon?  (And whoever
> gets suck in)  That always proves to be amusing to read.  No matter what 
> happens Rover folks seem to like to debate/poke fun at just about anything.  
> Ignore it and it will go away for another 6 months.

	Yo, Series III swine...  Before you set Mike and I up for round
	three, where do you open your beer on the dash?

	Rgds,

	(of course,  Russell Burns et al, probaly have found dozens on 
	 places on the D90 by now... :-))

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:31:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy

On Tue, 19 Dec 1995, Daryl Webb wrote:

> Seems no one loves a stage 1...

	True, but it is because you need to carry both metric & imperial
	sets with you.  I'll even bet there is Whitworth on the the thing
	to...  Much prefer one set to the other, but not both at the same 
	time... :-)

	Rgds,

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From: LeCompteDW@silver-po.biz.uiowa.edu
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 22:26 CST
Subject: Disco pricing

1-800-933-5555 is the number to Consumer Reports, they give 
you a printout on the dealer invoice as well options.  I 
used it and got my D90 at dealer cost (I think it was about 
$4000 off of sticker, although don't quote me).  I 
purchased it from Carousel Motors in Minneapolis.

CR does charge $12 for each report, but they fax it within 
minutes of your request.

Good Luck!

David LeCompte
Waterloo, Iowa
'95 D90 #2073

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I now find myself in the market for a new Discovery.  The rice rocket is 
laid up with a supposed head gasket/coolant leak (though the cylinder 
pressure is up and level on all) while the Rover is having major surgery 
-rear frame crossmember.  I've had the replacement piece for over two years; 
I just didn't want to hassle with it right now.  Anyway, when you get a 
wife/kid/dogs, you need more room than an 88 can provide....

Anyway, are there any dealers willing to *deal* on a new Disco?  I'm looking 
at the bottom end, box-stock SD model.  Does anyone know the margin on these 
vehicles so I can have a little wiggle room in dealing with these jokers?

Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----* 
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   | 
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         | 
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     | 
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  | 
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     | 
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re:the nuts and bolts of stage 1's
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:33:54 +1030 (CST)

I wrote:
> > Seems no one loves a stage 1...
To which Dixon replies:
> True, but it is because you need to carry both metric & imperial
> sets with you.  I'll even bet there is Whitworth on the the thing
> to...  Much prefer one set to the other, but not both at the same 
> time... :-)

Dang right there is Whit. on the thing (all Real Landrovers have Whit
bolts(g), along with BA, BSF, SAE imperial, Metric, assorted metric and SAE
allen bolts, plain, inverted, phillips and posidrive screwheads. Havent found
a torx yet, but its bound to be there somewhere....   You want an excuse to
buy *lots* of tools? (and still never have the right one)  Get a stage 1! 

-- 

  Daryl "I know I had that 5/16W when I fitted the bearing seal....." Webb

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: SII, SIII and beer caps
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:45:31 +1030 (CST)

> 	Yo, Series III swine...  Before you set Mike and I up for round
> 	three, where do you open your beer on the dash?

On the genuine Coke (tm) machine opener screwed to it ....

-- 

  Daryl

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Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy 
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:14:01 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Daryl Webb wrote:

  I always get a complex when this series V's disco/rangie stuff comes up.
  Seems no one loves a stage 1...
  The series folk dont like us 'cause we got a V8, full time 4x4 and some of us
  have factory cloth bucket seats and sound deadening. The "Plushmobile" (hey I
  *love* this term, it rates with Ben Eltons "Toyonissan wankmobile") people
  dont want us 'cause we got drum brakes, leaf springs, and leak like sieves. 

	Well, techically it is the "SIII, Stage I" (not that I've ever heard 
anyone saying "Stage I" in the same sentance as "Series III".  I assume we 
could have a lively debate on whether a Stage I is a Series Rover or a 110 in
disguise.  :)    Hmm, maybe I'll have to drive one find out.  :)

Ben
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 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Subject: Re: Rovers and Jeeps, the Camel Trophy 
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:22:47 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Dixon attempeth to inflameth"

> 	Yo, Series III swine...  Before you set Mike and I up for round
> 	three, where do you open your beer on the dash?

	Got me there.  I can't open it on the dash.  But now that removed the
silly piece the hides the windscreen to hardtop bolts, I've discovered that
those very same bolts are a perfect for removing caps from beer bottles. 
So now I don't need to bend over to open my beer, eh. 

Ben

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 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:26:55 +0000
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: WWW Aftermarket Parts (Was: Shocks & springs for Series)

 Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> writes:

:On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Michael Carradine wrote:
:>  Probably was Young's Springs, as listed in the Land Rover Aftermarket Parts
:>  list on WWW URL :  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
:
:	There is also another more extensive list of alternate parts
:	in the Land Rover FAQ at http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/FAQ.top.html

 Now Dixon, of all the people surely YOU would remember to insert "OVLR"
 into the Web address above....  the correct OVLR FAQ WWW URL is:

 http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/FAQ.top.html
                             ^^^^

 PS-- What are the odds of having the annoying background GIF image toned
 down or eliminated??  (I thought so! %-)

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 _________________________________________________________________________
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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re:Stage 1 stuff
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:23:06 +1030 (CST)

Ben Writes:
> 	Well, techically it is the "SIII, Stage I"
Series III 109" V8 if you please....  
Which reminds me the FAQ is faqed re: stage 1 chassis no. location ISTR.  Its
still stamped on the LHR spring hanger, just like other sIII's

>I assume we could have a lively debate on whether a Stage I is a Series
Rover or a 110 in  disguise.  :)    Hmm, maybe I'll have to drive one find
out.  :)    

Nah aint no 110 in disguise :-(, very much a series III, just with a bigger
thirst and *almost* able to keep up with the traffic, hey its a B(PS)L
product to boot.  

-- 

  Daryl

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Subject: Re: Stage 1 stuff 
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:12:06 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Daryl Webb writes:

> Ben Writes:
> > 	Well, techically it is the "SIII, Stage I"
> Series III 109" V8 if you please....  

	Ok, ok.  Series III 109" V8 (Stage I).  Happy?  :)

> Which reminds me the FAQ is faqed re: stage 1 chassis no. location ISTR.  Its
> still stamped on the LHR spring hanger, just like other sIII's

	Every Series Rover that I've seen it was on the right hand (driver's 
right) front spring hanger.  Unless LHR means the same thing.   I updated the 
FAQ to reflect this.  (Stage Is are few and far beween in the States (and all
grey market)).

Ben, still with only 4 cylinders...
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 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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