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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 10:19:12 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Eternal Life List of Spares

Dear fellow Series LR owners,

just so we get a few pieces of mail not dealing with sqeaking steering 
wheels, espresso machines and CD changers:

I assume we all want Eternal Life for our beloved vehicles.  However, spares 
are getting rarer and more expensive - on my last visit to the UK somebody 
who was restoring an 80" - sorry, a 203 cm SI told me the going rate for 1 

have is: Has anyone come up with a list of parts that will wear out over the 
years?  Stocking up on these parts now should enable us to run our favourite 
cars another 15 to 20 years without paying that kind of prices.

I am currently working on such a list for my late SI and would like some 
input from the collective wisdom of the net.  Maybe this could be included 
in the Land-Rover homepage when it is finished.  Any opinion, anybody?  
Please always add info about what kind of Series LR and what kind of engine 
your info applies to.

Best wishes for the holidays
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 10:41:28 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: vehicle ID numbers

>does anybody know the code for 1964 vehicle ID Numbers ??
>                                        the number I have has  a total of 9
>digits  and is configured as such  ...                         2 numbers ,
>one letter,  6 numbers. Anybody have a clue??
>                                        thanks      Steve Bradke

Not sure I am on the right track... If you are talking chassis numbers, IMHO=

there was no such ID.  If it=B4s a 1964 vehicle, it=B4s a SIIA, and their
chassis numbers had eight numbers and one letter suffix.  The first three
numbers indicated the model and spec and should be somewhere between 241 and=

354 in the case of a IIA. The number is on the right-hand front spring
hanger or the little plate on the bulkhead.
If you knew all this and I misunderstood the question, I hope you did not
hurt yourself yawning.
Have a nice time, everybody
Peter Hirsch
SI 107in S/W

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Date: 17 Dec 95 08:53:31 EST
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: Salisbury for 88

    I have been thinking of putting a Salisbury axle on the rear end of my 88.
>From what I have been told, they were only made for the 109 so it is necessary
to modify the axle to fit the 88. I think the Spring/Shock mounts need to be
moved? And the drive shaft replaced/shortened? Has anyone out on the net done
this. What is involved, and is really worth it.
    The reason I ask is that while I have only broken the half shaft in my
Rover axle once, it is constantly in the back of my head and I tend to drive
more concervatively off road because of it. I have been pondering installing
an air locker, which would make me even more concerned about snapping shafts.
    Any advice, experience, thoughts?

 Rob
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    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_======_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_%%%%%_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
   |     | %%###%% |     |
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   |_____|_#%@@@%#_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
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Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 17-Dec-1995

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:45:30 -0500
From: nadyne@bccom.com
Subject: RE: wading of plushmobiles

Couldn't agree more.  I have recently discovered the "One Hundred Greatest 
Books" on cassette and would be enjoying it infinitely more if the cassette 
player worked properly. I can deal with the less than adequate 
heating/defrosting system and other lack of plushmobile amenities but a decent 
audio system should be inherent in a $35,000 vehicle.

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Date: 17 Dec 95 09:55:05 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Wading in a Range Rover

>What does happen if you wade a Range Rover in water past the bottom door sills?
>Does it fill up with water <... snip ...>
...
My own experience with RR wading has been very positive (this is an '87 Efi).
Deepest I went was a rather lengthy ditch filled up with very muddy water,
and the mud strip, after coming out of the bog, stopped midway between
lower door sill and door handle. Not a drop came through anywhere, only
the fan had done a proper mess of the engine bay...  This compares
favourably with my old 109 where water intrusion is instant - but thankfully
it flows out again just as fast as it came in :-)
Of course you'd have to have the door seals in proper condition, the doors
seated properly, no rust cracks or holes in your footwells or floorboards...
The drain plugs in the floor would eventually let water seep in, but only
very slowly, and probably not while you stay in motion. But if they are
missing altogether then of course you'd have water spouting in freely.

WRT water gathering under the spare tire, I've also witnessed this, and
my theory is that it's condensation on the rubber and inside the treads
that eventually trickles down and fills up the mould. After all the spare
is well packed away and covered up and doesn't get any ventilation back
there.

BTW Happy Hanukkah to those concerned!

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 07:16:59 -0800
Subject: Salisbury Rear in 88"

I wouldn't recommend putting a Salisbury rear in an 88".  The salisbury rear is 
BIG and heavy, a serious overkill for an 88".  It robs the vehicle of a 
noticeable amount of power, making for even more sluggish cruising.  In 
addition, it reduces your ground clearance under the diffs.

If you're going to put a locker in, the general wisdom is to put it up front 
(with locking hubs) on a part-time 4x4, less wear on the diffs that way.  If 
you're still concerned about half shafts, I believe there are some heavy duty 
ones on the market.  Others on the list are probably more informed about that.

Regards,
Eric

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From: Dmvt <taz@pi.net>
Subject: 88 diesel
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:00:50 +-100

I'm going to look at an 88'' 1979 series III LR tomorrow evening, I would
appreciate all tips on where and what to check before buying the car.

Also does the series III 2.5 D have any known factory defects?

The owner says the engine has been overhauled recently and has run 
7500 km since then.

Please send replies to my personal e-mail adress
(I'm getting IRO in digest form...)

Bye,

Dennis van Turnhout - Taz@pi.net

Hey, let me wish you a merry christmas and a happy new year!
(Especialy to those at BEP)

My personal page : http://www.pi.net/~dmvt

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:16:18 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Plushmobiles

Oh yeah?!  Well, TeriAnn's mom drives a Jeep!

So there!
John

At 08:31 16.12.95 -0800, John Y. Liu wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>At 09:58 AM 12/16/95 EST, you wrote:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>At 09:58 AM 12/16/95 EST, you wrote:
>>In response to Teri Anne Wakemans article I would like to defend my Disco
as an
>>extremely capable off-roader that gets one to the trail quickly and in
comfort.
>	 [ truncated by lro-lite (was 9 lines)]
>>Anyway Comments like yuppie and plushmobile are the sort of derision we don't
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)]
>in the summer.
>(There, now I've offended everyone.)  It's all in fun, folks.

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:49:12 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Yuppies and other sources of unrest.

Eric sez....

>..........  We Series owners are a "lunatic fringe" (and quite content in 
>being so) and lunatic fringes don't usually have the spending power of other 
>groups.........
-

Speaking as a member of the lunatic fringe..... I've run into a few people
locally who have Discoveries and Range Rovers. The majority of them look at
me like I'm some sort of demon-possessed maniac (you don't think that fact
that I bear a passing resemblence to Charles Manson has anything to do with
it, do you?? Naaaaaa) Talking to these people I get the impression that they
couldn't care a bit about the history or capabilities of the vehicle they
are driving. I have talked to a few (at lenght) who were genuinely
interested in all the aspects of Land Rovers. One day I stopped alongside a
Range Rover at a traffic light. The woman in the passenger's seat rolled
down her window and said "Now there's a real Land Rover!" My reply was "So
is yours". OK.. so maybe there is some hope for some of these yuppies...

>OK, enough misc. ramblings...its just that this whole series/non-series thing 
>has the potential to get out of hand and create even more divisions within the 
>rover community.
-

Ah.... This bit goes on every six months or so on this list. They grumble,
we grumble, we grumble about the stuff they grumble about, etc, etc ad
nauseum. Who gives a flying squirrel! We all own Land Rovers so lets start
poking fun at Jeeps and TOYotas.

Grumble,grumble
 
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol ('Sydney')     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol ('Fern')
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)
                     #:-}>

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:49:12 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Trailers

William Adams asks...

>I'd like to hear about trailing loads behind series Rovies. I'm considering a 
>utility trailer for hauling and junkyard runs. Any advice and/or horror story 
>would be appreciated.
-

If you're driving a short wheelbase truck, stick with a small trailer. That
goes for any short wheelbase truck. A friend of mine was hauling a
double-axel trailer with a VW bus on it behind his 88. He was coming down a
hill at a moderate speed and the trailer started swaying. It got to the
point where he couldn't control it and everything wound up on it's side in a
field. No-one got hurt. A long wheelbase truck wouldn't have had that problem. 

I have a short utility trailer with a bed slightly larger than the box on an
88. The most weight I've had on it was a 2.25 engine and four 16" wheels
with tires. That towed fine. I've also flat towed other Land Rovers with no
problems - as long as the road is pretty smooth. Rough roads tend to shift
the load side-to-side which then pushes the tow vehicle around. 

If you're looking at one of the low trailers with the small wheels for light
duty work you shouldn't have any problems. My trailer is a home-made job. It
has 14" wheels on a Model-A front axel and uses leaf springs slightly
smaller than the ones on the Land Rover. It will take a lot of weight, but
it bounces around a bit. Not the best thing in the world, but it was cheap
and if I go to a pintle hitch I can tow it off road.

Cheers
  
Mike Loiodice
166 W. Fulton St.                  1965 SerIIa 88 Petrol ('Sydney')     
Gloversville                       1972 SerIII 88 Petrol ('Fern')
NY  12078  (USA)        7          1971 SerIIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)
                     #:-}>

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:03:07 +0500
From: dcrow@bev.net (David Crow)
Subject: Range Rover parts for sale

Hello All!

I have a 1988 Range Rover (as well as a 1971 SIIA).  I rebuilt it from after
the PO T-boned a Mercedes with it several winters ago.  The insurance
company was nice enough to pay for several components I didn't need or want
to re-install on the vehicle.  Therefore, I am offering the following parts
for sale:

1) Bearmach front lamp guards, the cast-aluminum guards that wrap around to
cover the side markers.  Still in the original box and packing.  $225,
includes shipping.

2) Air conditioning condenser for 1988 RR.  Still in the original shipping
crate and liner.  I want to say the dealer price was around $400; $400 or
best offer takes it - I'll cover the shipping as well.

Please contact me direct to keep the Digest quiet.  Happy holidays!

David Crow
(540) 231-3158 (office)
(540) 268-2399 (home)
dcrow@bev.net (e-mail direct)

1971 SIIA
1988 Range Rover

I wave, too!

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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: Re: Movie Sighting
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 07:29:00 EST

We had James Bond 'You Only Live Twice' on the box over the weekend and the 
second scene has the Hong Kong police arriving in a Series 1....

Simon Barclay
Sydney Australia
 ----------
From: LRO-Owner
Subject: Re: Movie Sighting
Date: Friday, 15 December 1995 7:46AM

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

 -- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

Caught the end of Mission Impossible yesterday on FX and in this episode Jim
was driving a blue series LR.

 --
Gary Mitchelson
N3JPU
garym@racalrecord.com
Racal Recorders, Inc.

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From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: RE: wading of plushmobiles
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 07:43:00 EST

Another alternative, one use by guys in the RR club here in NSW, is to 
relocate the ECU into an overhead console.  By the time the water level 
reaches here you have other, much larger problems to be worried about!!!

Simon Barclay
Sydney Australia
 ----------
From: LRO-Owner
Subject: wading of plushmobiles
Date: Friday, 15 December 1995 10:29AM

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

        There has got to be a stop to all this talk of deep
wading for you R/R and Disco types here in the US. The comparisons
to the Camel Trophy vehicles are silly for the simple reason
that they use Tdi engines. There are no engine managment chips to drown on
these vehicles, indeed, no ignition system at all. At least not one
that is dependent on electricity to work. As long as a diesel has air
and fuel, it will run. The NAS D90 is ALSO not supposed to
wade in more than 22 inches of water. The 94 NAS D90 has the ECU
on the passenger side firewall , unless you have air conditioning
(ha ha ha), in which case it has been relocated to the passenger side
kick panel, right in front of the door. The 95's came "a/c ready" by
relocating the ECU to under the passenger seat box. Niether place is
particularly conducive to deep wading. I have a 94, and have been in
water up to the door handles, with a corresponding amount on the inside.
Got pictures even, with water just below the bottom of the radio box,
and the car still running. But I took the precaution of sealing my ECU
into a Ziploc freezer bag with rubber bands before I went swimming. Sort
of a swimming cap to keep the hair dry kinda thing. I also turn off all 
other
electrical equipment and remove the fanbelt, to keep water off the 
distributor
,replacing it when past the deep stuff. It works, but it's only a short term
thing, how ofter do you wade deep water anyway, a couple times a year? Plus
if you use proper technique, and get a good bow wave going at about 5-7 mph,
you can wade up to about 30 in with not too much trouble, just don't stop
fer gossake. But to expect diesel engine wading ability out of an EFI engine
is asking for trouble. I do carry a spare ECU from a RR that was nabbed out
of a
wreck, works just fine. Also the question was asked about the turbo minding
a dunking, shock cooling and all that. Because it's a diesel, the temps
involved
are not that high, and the turbo casing is plenty thick, Tdi's are just 
sweet
little powerplants aren't they?

Rgds
Mike Fredette
94 D90 67 88" RHD
Phoenix, Az.

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:56:07 -0500
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Rock SLider correction and Ignition problem

CORRECTION.  First a quick correction on the Safari Gard rock slider prices
I mentioned a couple of days ago.  Seems $695 gets you the air tank rock
sliders that hold compressed air to help you air up.  Regular sliders are
about $475.  Thanks to Brandi for clearing that up.

PROBLEM.  I had an odd problem with the ignition on my Disco this weekend.
After a quick stop, I went to insert the ignition key and no luck.  About
1/2 inch in it seemed to strike a solid metal piece.  Jiggled and shook to
no avail.  Tried the gear selector which produced an audible click in the
column but no help.

Roadside recovery hooked me up with LRMW, who also suggested some more
jiggling and wiggling to get the key in.  Said it was something they had
never heard of.  Back to the truck, where some more >vigorous< wiggling and
jiggling pursued.  Slipped the bugger in another 1/2 inch and got stuck.
Still more vigorous wiggling and jiggling until, finally, Success!  The key
went in and the truck fired up no problem.  Encountered the problem one
other time during the day, but since it has been fine.  (As an odd aside,
Roadside recovery lady told me the standard solution to this problem was
jumping the car.  I could not pursuade her otherwise, despite repeatedly
telling her I thought this was ridiculous.  It was, afterall, in her
manual.)

Didn't someone else on the list report a similar problem a while back?
What was the solution?  Although it seems to be fine now, I'd reckon some
lubricant in the ignition would help.  Suggestions regarding what to try
would be appreciated.  (No need for series owners to suggest their
preferred 90wt 'solution for what ails you.')      -Bob Virzi

--------------
Robert Virzi
rvirzi@gte.com

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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:35:52 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: SNORKLE FOR MY SERIES IIA WITH 3.5LV8

On Sat, 16 Dec 1995 LAW142@aol.com wrote:

> I'm looking for a way to purchase a snorkle for LR SIIA with a 3.5V8 without
> having to pay a fortune.   I'm also looking for a US based company that can

I would have thought it would be pretty easy to make a snorkle out of a few
bits of pipe, that's all it is really.

Anyone had any experience with a snorkle on a V8?  Does it affect the running
of the motor at all?  In my experience with vacuum pumps, the efficiency of
a pump is a function of the length and cross section of the pipework leading
to the pump.

On the snob/yuppie subject - I used to own a '79 Range Rover, when I bought
it my friends started calling me a yuppie, even when I pointed out that it
was several years older and many $1000's cheaper than their shiny Jap 
hatches.

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A.Yates@bom.gov.au                   =======================
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Opinions expressed                 /|  (_)|===========|(_)  |\
here are almost but                ||o____|===========|____o||
not quite entirely                 ||_______________________||
unlike those of the                \[_______________________]/
Bureau of Meteorology.              |\|/|---\_/---------|\|/|
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'85 110 V8 (Pamela)                 -----               -----
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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:58:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Eternal Life List of Spares

Predicting long term future availability of parts can be tricky. The parts
situation for Ford Model A's (last built in '31) is now considerably better
than it was 30 years ago. Why? With NOS exhausted and the long term interest
in the cars established, suppliers have tooled up to produce formerly
unavailable parts. For example, original style carburettors are now
reproduced after being unavailable for years.

My prediction is that some early LR parts will go through cycles of
unavailablity, and then be reproduced, but at a higher price. Example:
Brake/clutch fluid reservoir once again available. Commonality with popular
British cars will help.

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Subject: Discovery spare tyre gizmo
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 95 18:42:37 -0500

When the Discovery was sold in the UK the plastic disk that covers the 
centre of the spare on the rear door had the Discovery name and the then 
familiar mountain logo moulded into it aswell. When the Discovery came to 
North America that was from what I know dropped in favour of the Land 
Rover name in black block capital decals. There was only one Discovery 
here in Canada that had what I would call the UK spec disk. Am I right 
this was the norm?  Comments please.

Robin

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 17:54:56 +0000
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Eternal Life List of Spares

Peter Hirsh <lopezba@atnet.at> writes:

:I assume we all want Eternal Life for our beloved vehicles....
:Has anyone come up with a list of parts that will wear out over the years?
:
:I am currently working on such a list for my late SI and would like some 
:input from the collective wisdom of the net.  Maybe this could be included 
:in the Land-Rover homepage when it is finished.  Any opinion, anybody?

 Not to spark the 'genuine' debate, but...  Mike Hoskins has started a
 similar list of Series Aftermarket Parts to keep these vehicles going at
 reduced prices and higher availablity, for the US at least (see the URL
 below).  An argument can be made that if too much third party competition
 produces non-genuine parts, the genuine manufacturers would be forced out
 of the market --a self defeating effort for purists.  Also, stock piling
 parts is like any other investment.  Is your money better off playing the
 stock market or speculating on Land Rover parts futures.  What about the
 artifical market pressures brought to bear on the parts business if every
 Land Rover owner suddenly took all his spare cash to buy parts to hoard
 for the future --doesn't this in itself drive up prices?

 Tricky business, this!

 Holiday Cheer!!                             \ /
                                            --*--
                          ______             / \
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:05:06 -0500
Subject: Tdi Vs. V8

It appears that people on each side of the Atlantic wants what the other side
has.  In one of the LRW issues, the magazine mentions that we'll never get
the Tdi and they'll never get the V8.  I assume it has something to do with
gas prices, taxes on larger engines, etc?

Funny how it all work out though....
Gerry E. 
Phx, AZ

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:24:28 +0000
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Granada-Dakar '96 on the WWW

 Fellow Roverites,

 For your viewing pleasure, a link has been added to the Rover URL below for
 the Total Granada-Dakar '96 off-roadrace, which begins December 30, 1995.
 The WWW link has a history of the race year by year,  nifty road maps with
 descriptions of each leg, and will have updated race reports.  Over 300
 vehicles are expected to participate.  On the downside, the link buldges
 with advertisements, and Tread Lightly! policies are, well... non-existant
 =:o

 Holiday Cheer!!                             \ /
                                            --*--
                          ______             / \
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: SNORKLE FOR MY SERIES IIA WITH 3.5LV8
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:57:33 +1030 (CST)

> Anyone had any experience with a snorkle on a V8?  Does it affect the running
> of the motor at all?  In my experience with vacuum pumps, the efficiency of
> a pump is a function of the length and cross section of the pipework leading
> to the pump.

Sounds fair to me.  The snorkel on my stage 1 is made from 80mm (PVC?)sewer
pipe, with about 4" of 3" ID anodised pipe stuffed into the ends to permit
use of standard 3" ducting.  I dont know how much it affects the breathing,
but it is a lot larger than the silly little 60mm-ish pipe across the back of
the motor. The 110 version of this is the same part number but a much bigger
diameter. I have a 10" serviguage fitted near the filter outlet and have
never seen it tripped.  I tried to get a reading with a vac. guage at the
serviguage port one day, didnt drop below 1 - 1.5"!  (sounds too good to be
true and I suspect that the "silly little pipe" is a source of restriction)

I do notice a slight performance drop at high revs when I use the (80-310?
CFM) 6" pre-cleaner rather than the "normal" 3" ram head.  Still I only use
the pre-cleaner in dusty conditions, and speed is generally not a priority. 

This rather un-conventional snorkel has been in use for 8 years, has aquired
plenty of scratches, and cost very little.  It works for me.

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:25:24 -0500
Subject: Dixon Kenner

Dixon;       would you kindly contact me with your correct e-mail address.
Have tried dkenner@emrl.eml.ca    a couple times with messages returned as
unknown. Thanks  Steve

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:26:39 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: Carburetor Icing! What to do?

Carburetor icing can be prevented or at the very least helped a lot by 
putting about a cup of metholhydrate (sp?) in the tank each time you fill 
up.  This lowers the freezing point and it also is hygoscopic to water I 
undrstand so you don't get water up to the carb.  We use it here where 
temps can get to -50 windchill and for really tough starting, we spray a 
bit in the carb or better yet starting fluid and away she goes. It sounds 
like you park in a heated place or maybe you live where humidity is high 
and you get icing that way.  No problem however, the methol will solve 
it. Dave VE4PN

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:47:21 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: spare parts

Today I spent a few hours fixing my 88 LR.  I found that the Horizon I 
stripped for parts was a wonderful source or goodies for the 88.  For 
example, the overflow bottle is a slim model that fits perfectly between 
the alternator and the wing.  The overflow inlet is in the right place 
for our copper rads.  The insulation that was under the hood was just 
right to put under the Land Rover hood to dampen the engine bay noise.  
Best of all the door rubbers work great on the LR.  A short piece used on 
the Horizon hood goes at the bottom of the rear safari door like it was 
made for it.  To put the engine dampening pad in,  I used large washers 
and pop rivets to hold it in place as well as an aluminum strip from side 
to side over the pad also pop riveted onto the edge of the good.  It 
makes a great difference to the noise levels. I found that the door 
rubber if cut to the height of the sliding windows in the rear made a 
great betweem the window seal for cold air.  You just pound it onto the 
edge of the window with a rubber hammer just like the original.  It 
expands just enough to let you slide the window but still get a good 
seal.  All this doesn't detract from the look of the LR, in fact it looks 
factory.  The bulb sockets are so superior to the original LR, I might 
just go around and replace the sockets with these nylon ones.  The bulb 
locks in much more securly than the old Lucas types.  I have my eye on 
the heater assembly.  I think I can take the heat exchanger out of its 
box and make an aux. heater for the front area that will fit on the seat 
box just behing the main shifter.  The two pipes will go into the seat 
box and the fan can be in the area where you look down onto the 
transmission.  It should not take any cab room and it should really warm 
up the front.  A nice speaker grill of black metal to match the black 
interior should finish it off.  Dave VE4PN

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 22:41:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Squeaky Disco Brakes

My 96 Disco had the brake squeek campaign dine a few weeks ago. It
squeeks much less than it did before and the pitch of the squeek is
lower.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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Subject: Re: wading of plushmobiles 
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 20:14:25 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

sv/aurens wrote:

  True enough, about the TDi. But one trial in Mundo Maya showed that the
  Disco is not just an espresso machine with off road capabilities. When
  crossing a river, 20 participants were to bring two Discos over with ropes
  only. A picture in Bilmagasinet 11/95 (danish) shows the drill. On one car
  you can only see the front part of the roof rack and the "Camel Trophy"
  sign.

	This was one of the special tasks.  They split into two teams and 
attempted to see who could get the Discos across first.  The lines for both 
Discos fouled.  Both teams decided that the task was just a bunch of B*** S*** 
and refused to complete the task.  The oranaizers informed teams that they had 
to recover the vehicles.  So under the leadership of U.S. team member Jim Sweat,
the entire group recovered first one Disco, then the other.
	So the picture is of a somewhat contrived event.
 
Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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From: Burwell2@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:44:30 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

In a message dated 95-12-10 04:45:04 EST, you write:

>R
I find this digest to be very interesting, but since I am at my parents house
infrequently, I would rather be on the mailing list only. The digest has
overwhelmed my poor mother- she drives a Nissan Pathfinder. S if it is
possible, I might like to be on the list, but not get the digest every day.
Cheers.

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From: "geoffrey.m.halaburt"
Date: 17 Dec 95 21:26:20 
Subject: D90 Tires / Steel Wheels

What are folks opinions on the tire "choices" for NAS D-90's: BFG All-Terrains 
vs. BFG Mud-Terrains?  I've got a '94 D-90 that came with Muds, and I have no 
complaints.  I've ordered a '95 D-90 SW and the All-T's are standard, with 
Mud's optional.  I know the Mud's are louder on-road, but are they overall 
better off-road?  What about tread life -- so far (16k miles) the Muds are 
holding up great.

Another unfortunate result of yuppifying (g,d&r) the D-90's has been to make 
the alloy wheels standard.  My dealer tells me that not only are the steels not 
really a "delete option", they would have to be ordered IN ADDITION to the 
standard alloys, leaving me some very expensive alloy decoration for my 
garage.  What is the "preferred" way of getting high quality, appropriate 
(looks and size/offset) white/limestone steel wheels for a D-90?

-Geoff
(geoffrey.m.halaburt@ac.com)

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