Land Rover Owner Message Digest Contents

[ First Message Last | Table of Contents | <- Digest -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]

The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Send Submissions Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net

From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.mee.com>
Subject: Range Rover open Diff, TC, and buying used questions
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 9:49:04 +0000 (GMT)

William Owen writes:
> 	considering?  

Traction control requires ABS to be fitted and has only be available for the past
couple of years.

> 	   Should I be concerned about the lack of locking center diffs and the
> 	open rear diffs?  especially as it relates to snow and mud traction.

The earlier Range Rovers you are looking at are likely to be just like the
Discovery with a manual locking center diff.  The later onles are fitted with
a viscouse coupled device.  In practice all it means is that the later 
Range Rovers decide when they want the center diff locked and lock it, instead
of waiting to see if the driver remembers before getting stuck :-)
 	
> 	  Is there any other advice anyone can give me as I search for my RR? 
> 	Things to look for or to avoid.  I've heard 89 is better than 87-88.  True?

Depends what you want.  Later vehicle have more goodies, but are not necessarily
a better long term prospect than a well cared for earlier (and simpler to maintain)
model.
 	
That said, I would like Classic Range Rover with ABS, Traction Control and Air
Suspension but they weren't available when my Range Rover was built in 1973.
__ 
  _ __              Apricot Computer Limited
 ' )  )      /      3500 Parkside               Tel:   (+44) 121 717 7171
  /--' o _. /_      Birmingham Business Park    Fax:   (+44) 121 717 0123
 /  <_<_(__/ <_     BIRMINGHAM  B37 7YS
 Richard Jones      United Kingdom              Email: richardj@apricot.mee.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 05:14:30 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Winge moan...

Hi all, can you please use carriage returns in
your submissions. Most day's there is somebody
who doesn't and my mail program decides that it
isn't a note if it is too wide and handles it
differently.
  
It also makes it really hard to print 4 to a
page and take home to read, as I often don't
get time during the day.
  
Today's worst offender was (sorry to name
names, but you are probably unaware of your
most heanous crime)...
  
     John Lui with 350 characters
  
70 characters is a good width as it allows a
little room for cock ups.
  
The prize for the best effort goes to David
Bobeck who appears to be aiming at one word
per line :-)  No danger of that over spilling
the margins.
  
This really only screws up digestives like me
as the odd duff short note on the live list
probably wouldn't get printed to paper.
  
Can the disester prog edit long lines to
split them automatically?
  
Regards, Sgt. A.Retentive   LRO submission Police.
  
Steve Reddock                         Product Evaluation, 26/12
Xyratex                  Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450  Int.721-4450
REDDOCK at HVTVM         Internet: Steve_Reddock@UK.XYRATEX.COM

------------------------------

From: Tony Kingston/MTi Trading Systems Limited
Date: 14 Dec 95 10:42:17 GM
Subject: 1985 - 110 for sale

Thanks to Walter Swain for pointing out the missing underscore in my e-mail 
address, as mentioned to him, it must be the trauma of selling a loved one that 
has affected my speeling and sintacks. So please note the missing underscore 
between the Tony and the Kingston. 

Location   North East Hampshire, UK

My 1985 110 is sadly up for sale.  For the last 18 months we have been using it 
to transport kids, dogs, and horses to and from schools, walks and shows 
respectively. Mainly been driven by my wife on a daily basis, apart from a 
short stint of 50 miles per day when I used it for the daily commute to work.  
It must now go due the purchase of a small holding and the need for a 
tractor/jcb type vehicle. 

Details
2.5L Diesel (N/A) (blows a little oil but recently passed emissions test at MOT)
Gearbox fully reconditioned 12k miles ago (18 months)
MOT'd until September 1996
Taxed until summer 1996
Avon Rangemasters all round
Full length roof rack
Capstan Winch (front mounted)
Ex British Telecom vehicle (regularly serviced, but no service history)
Good chassis (spent most of it's life on the roads) 
Colour is light Grey (externally oversprayed by BT from the previous yellow 
colour)

This vehicle has never ever let us down.

I looking for around UK Pounds 4250 

If interested? send mail to Tony_Kingston@MTITS.CO.UK and I'll tell you more 
about it.

Tony

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 07:40:55 EST
From: "Steve Reddock" <steve_reddock@uk.xyratex.com>
Subject: Digest problems

/internet
/to johnliu@earthlink.net
/end
Hi John, the last message on the failed digest was from you.
Could it have been one of these 500 column wide epics you
send?  Could this be what is screwing up the digester?
  
Can you try a controlled experiment where you send a short
note (ie less than 70 columns wide) to test my theory.
  
I may be mad, but please humour me.
  
Thanks,  Sgt. A.Nally-Retentive LRO Submissions Police
  
Steve Reddock                         Product Evaluation, 26/12
Xyratex                  Ext.(01705) 486363 x4450  Int.721-4450
REDDOCK at HVTVM         Internet: Steve_Reddock@UK.XYRATEX.COM

------------------------------

From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: standards vs. automatics ... ?
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 12:57:36 UNDEFINED

The now famous Icelandic glacier driving nutters always use autos cos they are 
better to trickle down the power inn very slippery situations.

Conversely the LR 2.25 and 2.5 deiseld are notoriously hard to trickle with 
due to the governers.

------------------------------

From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 14 Dec 95  7:57:08 EST
Subject: Carburetor Icing! What to do?

All right you bunch of rocket scientists, here's one for you.....

Start the car in the morning and get halfway to work and the engine loses 
power. Went through the entire electrical system on the engine before I looked 
in the carb and found 90% of the throat occluded with an ice ball. Chipped that 
out and it runs fine.....

What caused it?

What DO I DO ABOUT IT?

  Label me, Pissed off in Boston.....

------------------------------

Subject: Re: 	Koenig winch parts
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 95 08:05:04 -0500
From: Ron Franklin <oldhaven@biddeford.com>

-- [ From: Ron Franklin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

thanks for the reply .  I've traveled much the same route you did, but
learned early the high asking price of these items in the Pacific Northwest,
and decided it would be cheaper to buy one of the supposedly non-existent
sub $2500 rovers which seem to get advertised here in Maine frequently.  As
for the other leads on the present whereabouts of any repair parts through
current or past owners of the Koenig company, all are at present dead ends
to the detriment of my phone bill. If Charlie is listening, thanks for the
lead anyway. Randall, I would  like to hear how your repair was done if all
else fails, so if I have no luck elsewhere I'll be in touch, and it's kind
of you to offer.

------------------------------

From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 14 Dec 95  8:34:24 EST
Subject: Re: 	Koenig winch parts

Have you guys thought about making up a pattern and just aluminum-casting it? 
If it's a bit that won't take a lot of stress (lever mount or some such), it's 
easy enough to do. I do it, melting the aluminum over the same burner I use for 
homebrewing (200,000 BTU - no waiting!). A few firebricks stacked around it 
makes a good heatshied, and the aluminum will go pretty quickly.

Sounds like a great reuse for all the old Birmabright lying around in your back 
yard. ...<grin>

    aj"Or weld it up from plate stock"r

------------------------------

From: Sekerere@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:42:07 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

What is Majordomo doing this is a bunch of baloney these truncated digests
which we receive with one message out of 20+++ messages. What's going on
folks

------------------------------

From: ey-postmaster@geis.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 95 12:25:00 UTC 0000
Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

GE Item Number: 9177705
Original Msg Id: 493362
ey-postmaster response to your message

    Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
    System:  C14A#
    Date:    Thu 14-Dec-95 12:25

Status: 7   Message picked up by receiving system and not delivered to
            any recipients because of various exception conditions.

Address Delivered To:
   KESSELS.BILL@OTT01
Address Status Message:
   This address does not exist at C14A#

------------------------------

From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:02:05 -0500
Subject: Cracked outside mirror

The drivers outside mirror on my Disco cracked yesterday. What are
these mirrors made of? They look to be plastic. I had not adjusted
it for a while and I am afraid that adjusting it now will shatter it.
I think the cold weather of that past week (down to -15 C) may have
done it. 

Saw 5 Disco's in one day but not in a position to wave at any of 
them.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

------------------------------

From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:02:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Carburetor Icing! What to do?

Carb ice - caused by the cooling effect of the changing pressure in 
the throat - happens a lot on carb equipped airplanes. The answer is 
to keep the carb warmer. How do you do that? Depends on the engine.

Fortunate you saw the ice, when it happened to me the ice melted so 
quickly there was no physical evidence left.

On 14 Dec 95 at 7:57, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
. . . .
> Start the car in the morning and get halfway to work and the engine loses 
> power. Went through the entire electrical system on the engine before I looked 
> in the carb and found 90% of the throat occluded with an ice ball. Chipped that 
> out and it runs fine.....
 

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:14:08 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: 2.25 Block cleaning

 Chris Youngson asks:

> - How and with what do I clean the block? 

Call engine shops until you find one that does hot tanking. That uses 
lye and will clean everything qiute well. It will strip the piant 
off. The shop can tell you if you need new bearings and answer your 
other questions also.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:19:42 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: fires.

Tony Yates writes:
Snip
> Which brings me to the other disadvantage of modern petrol powered 
> vehicles - the catalytic converter.  This little firestarter runs 
> considerably hotter than the rest of the exhaust and can very easily 
> start grass fires if you are not very very careful.

Too true. A couple of years ago outside of Leesburg, VA at a hosre 
show, about 10-15 (or more maybe) cars were burned to a crisp when the catalytic 
converter on a car started the grass on fire in the field that was 
being used for perking.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 06:20:54 -0800
From: russ burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Wading In RR (was: "Trendy?")

I have only had it in mud that deep, and every thing was all right
as long as you exited thru the windows, and left the muddy boots on the
hood....

Russ Burns
91 R-Rover
94 D-90

At 02:35 PM 12/13/95 -0800, John Y. Liu wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>A post by TerriAnn got me wondering . . . what does happen if you wade a

Range Rover in water past the bottom door sills?  Does it fill up with
water, ruin your CD player, make your plush carpets soggy, and spot your
loafers?  Or are the doors sealed to hold up against immersion?  (Not being
sarcastic -- I really want to know since I'm considering a Range Rover
purchase.)
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>A post by TerriAnn got me wondering . . . what does happen if you wade a
Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:30:03 GMT -0600
Subject: Koenig winch parts

I posted this several months ago, but perhaps those in teh need now 
didn't then.
I called Koenig quite a few years ago looking for parts. I talked to 
a fellow there who said they had discontinued the mfg. of my model, 
but had a bunch of parts left over. He also said that they would 
probably be selling off the parts as a lot to some outfit in Florida 
that bought parts from discontinued models.
I may have scribbled the pertinant names & numbers on an envelope my 
parts list is in. If  so, I still have them and will post.

ps. He said, back then, they still had the LR in the back lot that 
they used for testing.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 06:36:24 -0800
From: russ burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Carburetor Icing! What to do?

I had this problem with an escort I burned up all the vacume hoses in a fire...
You need some carb heat. Usally there is a pipe from the exaust manifold to
the card. This provides pre heated air in cold damp places.

Russ Burns

At 07:57 AM 12/14/95 EST, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>All right you bunch of rocket scientists, here's one for you.....
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
>power. Went through the entire electrical system on the engine before I looked 
>in the carb and found 90% of the throat occluded with an ice ball. Chipped
that 
>out and it runs fine.....
>What caused it?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>What DO I DO ABOUT IT?
>  Label me, Pissed off in Boston.....
Russ Burns
cisco/Ford
313-317-0451

------------------------------

Date: 14 Dec 1995 09:41:08 -0500
From: "Bill Skidmore" <skidmore@mitre.org>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Yes, John, there is a GOD!

My local dealer took everyone out on a familiarization drive in October to =
the Pine Barrens of New Jersey (Skill Level 1).  At one ppoint they had to =
cross a stream, which was unnormally swollen due to heavy October rains.  =
The dealer and the contractor off-road instruction team staked out the =
path that the vehicles were to cross through, but don't you know that a RR =
4.0SE decided to depart that path!!!  Water up past the engine hood!  =
Water came in through the drain holes in the floor, and almost everything =
electrical got wet.  I was told that the owner was busy laughing and =
bailing water as her vehicle was sinking!  The Service Manager was telling =
me about the concern that the onboard computer (ECU?) would have to be =
replaced entirely.  I suspect that the CD and many other components also =
had to be replaced, but don't know if the delaer bit the bullet and did =
the work and parts under warranty.

BS

 ------ From: Owner-LRO@uk.stratus.com, Thu, Dec 14, 1995 ------ 

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 14:35:14 -0800
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Wading In RR (was: "Trendy?")

A post by TerriAnn got me wondering . . . what does happen if you wade a =
Range Rover in water past the bottom door sills?  Does it fill up with =
water, ruin your CD player, make your plush carpets soggy, and spot your =
loafers?  Or are the doors sealed to hold up against immersion?  (Not =
being sarcastic -- I really want to know since I'm considering a Range =
Rover purchase.)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:36:15 -0600 (CST)
From: Ray Harder <ccray@showme.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Popular Science

On Wed, 13 Dec 1995, Christopher Boese wrote:
> I should have bought a soft top Defender after all and carried a few towels. 8-)

hey, we series LROs with hardtops and no headliners carry towels --
it rains inside when the humidity is high even if it is not raining
outside.  put on the brakes and you are sure to get a sudden
downpour.  besides, the towels are excellent for wiping the
windshield after the defroster gets through.
 
ccray (siia 88 (lulu))

------------------------------

From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 14 Dec 95  9:52:56 EST
Subject: Re: 2.25 Block cleaning

>Call engine shops until you find one that does hot tanking. That uses 
>lye and will clean everything qiute well. It will strip the piant 
>off. The shop can tell you if you need new bearings and answer your 
>other questions also.

If you hot-tank the block, you will need to replace the cam bearings in any 
case. The lye will eat them up, or so I am told.

Personally, If I'm that far into an engine, I'd go for it. The extra few bucks 
is worth the peace of mind and oil pressure.

     Alan

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:14:10 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: 2.25 Block cleaning

 
> If you hot-tank the block, you will need to replace the cam bearings in any 
> case. The lye will eat them up, or so I am told.

Yep, it will also eat aluminum and lead.
 
> Personally, If I'm that far into an engine, I'd go for it. The extra few bucks 
> is worth the peace of mind and oil pressure.

I agree. If your cam journals need grinding you can get oversize cam 
bearings. If not from a LR parts house, then the shop can modify 
generic ones to fit.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 14 Dec 95 10:14:41 EST
Subject: Re: Popular Science

>hey, we series LROs with hardtops and no headliners carry towels --
>it rains inside when the humidity is high even if it is not raining
>outside.  put on the brakes and you are sure to get a sudden
>downpour.  besides, the towels are excellent for wiping the
>windshield after the defroster gets through.

Easy fix!

Get some felt carpet underlayment for auto use. It comes in various weights, 
but I used the heaviest (28 ounce). Mount this to the inside of the top, and it 
makes it warmer, quieter and eliminates the rain problem as the water doesn't 
condense on the felt.

Cheap, too. the local supplier I buy it from gets me for about $4 a yard for 
36-inch-wide material.

Re: Wiping the windshield:

Not with my Kodiak.....8*) I can get the cab to 90 with no effort...

 Drool on, envious rabble....8*) -Alan

 

------------------------------

From: MDAY@NARVAX.NAR.EPA.GOV
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 7:50:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RE:Hydraulic winches

On 11 Dec 95, Mark Ritter asked about the phone number for the Mile Marker
brand of hydraulic winches...

  Their number is 1-800-426-8646...

I haven't tried this unit, but it seems like a good idea. let me know what
you find out.

HTH.
M.Day
mday@narvax.nar.epa.gov

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:48:00 -0600
From: William Owen <ib011ca@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us>
Subject:  Re:  Range Rover open Diff, TC, and buying used questions 

  Thanks for all your quick and helpful responses concerning the RR's
center diff., etc.   If only the dealer knew as much.

   I gather that the late 80's (87up) models have the Viscous Coupling with
no manual locking.  I would have thought that manual locking would be
slightly superior, traction wise, to a VCU.  Why else would they put it in
the D90 and disco.  Do the d90 and disco use a VCU when the diff is not
locked?  Anyway the impression I'm getting is that I should not worry
about lack of locking center diff or open rear diff.  If I get real serious I
can always get Air Lockers on the rear.

   I also gather that to get the larger engine I need an 89 or newer.  How
important Is the power and/or reliability difference.

   Finally, I need a 91 or newer to get ABS and even newer to get
electronic traction control.

   Looks like an 89 would be ideal, giving me the larger engine and a VCU
at a reasonable price.  Time to go look through the ads again.

   Thanks again for all your advice, and for any more that you may send. 
I'll let you know how my search goes and, hopefully, how the RR
compares to the Jeep on the trail.  Not that I don't already know the
answer. :)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:19:03 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: 96 shop manuals

I bought the '95 shop manual and binder a couple of weeks ago.  The pages of
the manual are shrink-wrapped.  There was a second set of shrink-wrapped
pages included that contained a September '95 update.  This second set had
the '96 stuff.  

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California

At 16:19 13.12.95 -0500, Gerald wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>Anyone have a source for 96 shop manuals for Discos? Metro West says
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>Gerald
>g@ix.netcom.com

------------------------------

From: PZavaletta@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:58:24 -0500
Subject: No More Squeaky Steering Wheel!

To Those Disco and Rangie Owners With the Squeaky Steering Wheel: 
   
About two weeks ago I posted to the list the fact that my '95 RR County 
Classic had the squeaky steering wheel, and that my dealer had the part 
fix on back-order, asking if anyone knew of a lubricating fix to the 
problem. In response I received the following: 

"OK.  This one's easy, I fixed it myself and so can you.  The problem is a 
rubber to metal contact between the steering column and a rubber collar that 
fits around the column at the firewall.  The short term fix (but not too 
short based on my experience) is to grease this contact point; the long term 
fix per a service bulletin is to replace this collar with a nylon version 
that doesn't make noise in cold weather.  High tech, huh?

If you have a cartridge style grease gun, some lithium grease, and an old 
paint brush you're set.  If you don't, run out to TrakAuto or whatever you 
have nearby and spend a few bucks.  The gun and a grease cartridge should be 
<$20; you really ought to have one anyway with your off-roading and the 
potential for a Hummer in the driveway.  I used marine grade lithium because 
I already had it for our sailboat, so it shouldn't mind getting wet. 
 Anyway, pop the hood and look for the place where the steering column 
penetrates the firewall.  You'll see a black rubber collar and then a 
recessed area all around the column itself.  Insert the tip of the grease 
gun into this recessed area on one side of the column and pump the gun once; 
repeat the process on the other side of the column.  Use the old paintbrush 
(I had an old one about 1" wide that I'm keeping in a Ziploc bag for future 
'repairs') and use the bristles to work the grease all around the recessed 
area, i.e. on all sides of the column, being sure to force it as far as 
possible into the contact area.  Voila.  No more squeaks, and you'll be 
amazed how much smoother the steering feels!  If you just have some lithium 
grease and a paint brush you may be able to get by with simply applying the 
grease with the brush, but I think that the grease gun really helped to get 
the grease where it was needed most."

I did this and I am happy to say that seven days later, including two in 
sub-freezing temperatures, the fix works like a charm. 

Thanks to the individuals that posted and emailed this fix to me. Anyone 
with this problem in either their disco or rangie ought to do this right
away. 

Thanks again,

Peter M. Zavaletta
1995 Alpine White Range Rover County Classic 
(aka 'Winston, 12,700 miles)

P.S. In case anyone is considering a Classic, I highly recommend it - 
this is the only 'problem' I have had and the car seems very well built, 
heavy and solid. I HIGHLY recommend it, but buy now because 1995 is the 
last year. 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 95 12:08:40 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: misc. ramblings

Hi all:

1. I was thinking of building a spare v8 with stroked crank (using Buick 300 crank)
   It could be done with all-US parts for about US$1500 for a complete short block.
   Since most of this cost is machine work, if we build 2, I suspect we can reduce
   the costs.  Anyone? anyone? Bueler?
(PS thanks to the OZ and the UK contingent for the v8 info)

2. Don't the 3.5 and the 3.9 differ only in bores?  Same crank?  I always thought so,
but the people who "prepared" my Landie just told me that the crank strokes are diff.
I _hope_  they're right, or I'll have to go through the brakes etc. that these
"experts" touched :)
  Actually, thinking back,  these guys are jokers, as one told me that the center diff
only needs to be locked if you're _really_ stuck.  Yikes, better take a close look
at all vital systems on the Landie.

3. (really misc.) Isn't it funny that 2 out of 4 CT US team finalists are from NJ-
  probably the most paved state in the US?

Jan (in NJ) 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 95 12:43:13 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: fires.

Too true. A couple of years ago outside of Leesburg, VA at a hosre 
show, about 10-15 (or more maybe) cars were burned to a crisp when the catalytic 

converter on a car started the grass on fire in the field that was 
being used for perking.

Mmm... catalytic converter coffee. Starbucks new flavor...
          Rover Roast!      <snicker>

          Dave B.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 12:09:05 -0600
From: Robert Kolander <kolanrj@gw.startribune.com>
Subject:  WANTED: Defender 90

I'm looking for a used (prefer 95) Defender 90. The fewer options the
better. My price range is the low to mid $20's (dep. on miles, cond,
and experiences...) and I'm willing to "buy long distance" as the
saying goes, but only within the continental region (Canada incl).
I'm currently in Minnesota, and haven't been able to track one down
anywhere. Maybe Defender owners here just don't want to sell  ;-)

please contact me if you know of a LR that fits my description...
thanks - Bob K.
kolan001@maroon.tc.umn.edu
http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/m210/kolan001/

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:28:10 -0500
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: Re: Secret Agent

>he was found out he hopped into a 107 pickup, which in the next cut was a
>SII 88 hardtop ( can't beat that continuity). The bad guys then chased him

Read the closing credits closely next time.  I'll bet you'll find the
person in charge of "Continuity" was named Lucas...

RoverOn!

JAB

==                                                                      ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg          Purple Shark Media                 Rowayton, CT

                         jeff@purpleshark.com
                          ==================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life,
                      I can see it no other way.
                                --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)
==                                                                      ==

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 95 13:27:33 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re: Winge moan...

The prize for the best effort goes to David
Bobeck who appears to be aiming at one word
per line :-)  No danger of that over spilling
the margins.
  

          Wow.
          You
          mean
          I
          win
          something
          ?

          Dave
          "default
          margin
          syndrome"
          Bobeck

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:43:41 -0500
From: benedick@emh1.pa.net (Darwyn/Kris Benedict)
Subject: Re: No More Squeaky Steering Wheel!

Peter Wrote:
>About two weeks ago I posted to the list the fact that my '95 RR County 
>Classic had the squeaky steering wheel, 
<snip>

>I did this and I am happy to say that seven days later, including two in 
>sub-freezing temperatures, the fix works like a charm. 
>Thanks to the individuals that posted and emailed this fix to me. 

I must give credit where credit is due:  This info. can from Stuart
Williams.  He sent it to me and I only passed it on.  (You can send him the
$10 as the "copyright" fee)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:39:35 -0500 (EST)
From: John Antram <rewt@sover.net>
Subject: Discovery Tires/Tyres

	Hello everyone; I'm having quite a hard time with finding Snow 
tires for my '95 Discovery. I've been told by LRNA ( customer service 
line ) that the standard equipment tires are great in the snow; I'd rate 
them well, but they are not quite enough for Vermont mt. passes 
everyday. With the cost of chains being around $500/axle, I was wondering 
if anyone had put 225/75 R16's on instead of the standard 235/70 R16's. 
The main reason is that there are good snow tires made in 225/75 but 
hardly anyone even makes all-seasons in 235/70. The dealer says the 225's 
will be fine and LRNA says they'll be asking for an accident... who's 
right? 

John Antram	rewt@sover.net RR 3 Box 888 Middlebury, Vt 05753
1972 Land Rover Series III 88" red, sunroofs
1995 Land Rover Discovery 5-speed, sunroofs, Roman Bronze
1987 Mercedes Benz 300 SDL Anthracite Gray

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:04:13 -0500
From: RICHARD_COLEMAN@fmso.navy.mil (RICHARD COLEMAN)
Subject: "The Money Pit"

         Roverphiles,

             Some of you (Chris Browne) have asked to hear
         the story of "The Money Pit" and some of you are
         contemplating buying a Range Rover. Here's the
         story and I'll try to keep it brief.

         11/94    purchased 90 RR from a hi-line (BMW, MB,
         RR) used car dealer, 59K miles and in pretty good
         condition-- dealer fixed a lot of little things
         under a 100% 30 day warranty.

         3/95     replaced complete exhaust from the cat.
         conv. back

         5/95     replace cat. conv. Y pipe and O2 sensors
         and exhaust manifold gasket

         8/95   replace 1 bad ABS sensor and alternator-----
         also replaced cat. conv. Y pipe and O2 sensors
         again because the first replacement was a poorly
         manf. one===Atlantic British replaced the cat. free
         but I still had to pay for labor again

         10/95   replaced headliner which was separating
         from the foam backing

         11/95   replaced water pump

         12/95   and wouldn't you know it --- 2 days ago the
         ABS light comes on again.

         There you have it -----13 months, all those
         problems and a couple grand in parts and
         labor----bbbuuuutttttt----- I still really like
         this vehicle. If you really want a RR then go for
         it. Don't let these problems scare you off. There
         are other people on this list who have had minimal
         problems with the same model and year.

         I do have some questions some of you may be able to
         answer:
                  1.  Does anyone know where to get a water
         pump rebuilt? Is it worth the price of repair?

                  2. How do I tell which ABS sensor is
         faulty?  Can I replace it myself?

                  3. Can I reset the ABS light and if so
         how?

               I also still have the corrosion warranty
         thing I'm working on and thanks to you who
         responded on that subject.

               Thanks for listening. I'm thinking of
         borrowing a name for this vehicle from the BMW
         list. And that name would be=== BOHICA===.

                             Cheers,
                             Rick
                             90 RR(The Money Pit)
                             88 735i 5sp

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:24:09 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Re[2]: fires.

> Mmm... catalytic converter coffee. Starbucks new flavor...
>           Rover Roast!      <snicker>

Fortunately, even though it was a horse in Leesburg, no Rover 
products were burned.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:25:23 -0500
Subject: New Range Rover

>Ever look at the new Range Rover??  Those cars were never meant for off road

>driving

This weekend at the U.S. Camel Trophy trials I had the opportunity to drive
an new 4.0 SE.   I also went for rides in a 4.0 SE driven by LRNA Driving
Instructor Bob Burns, and a 4.6 HSE driven by LRNA VP Bill Baker.

Both vehicles had no problem with the fairly technical trails at the
Hollister Hills Off Road Vehicle Area.  The HSE with its 18" wheels and
street tires did have some problem on the muddy sections.

The vehicles are not set up for rock crawling or travel through jungles, but
they will do a lot more than take people to ski lodges in style, and what is
wrong with showing up at a ski lodge in style?

I was told not to quote him, but an employee of LRNA told me that there is an
excellent chance that we will get another NAS 90.  When I asked about a NAS
110 he responded "no  comment"

Kevin Kelly

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:27:04 -0800
From: vandecar@nwlink.com (Ted VanDecar)
Subject: D90 Bonnet Doesn't Pop Open

The '94 D90 (Slo-Mo VI) has the spare mounted on the bonnet which is great
but when the release handle is pulled the bonnet doesn't pop up enough to
get at the second release.  One person has to hold the handle out while the
other pries the bonnet up to get at the second release.  (It is a steel
wheel with a mudder mounted.)

We would like to install a stronger spring which would pop the bonnet up a
bit when the handle is pulled.  LRNA tells me there isn't a stronger spring
available any where in the world.  

I have seen 110s with bonnet mounted spares where the bonnet pops up when
the release is pulled.

Anyone with ideas, previous experience on installing a stronger spring or
other fix? Help!

What do you do in the UK, SA and OZ?

Appreciate any help.

Ted Van Decar   <vandecar@nwlink.com>
Warm regards,

Ted

------------------------------

Date: 14 Dec 95 14:25:09 EST
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Safari Gard

Several people have written me asking me if I have recieved the Rock Sliders I
ordered about 
31/2 weeks ago and if so how I liked them. I am still waiting for them to show
up, even though my credit card was charged early this week. I talked with Greg
at SG and he indicated that they would not be shipped out this week either. If
they are indeed shipped next week it will probobly be the week after before I
recieve them for a total delivery time of at least 5 weeks.
>From the brouchure I recieved they look good so I am still cautiously optimistic
though if you are in a hurry it might be better to find another source.

									Mark
Ritter
									94 Disco
w/
									Steel
wheels,
									mud
tires,
									rear
locker and
									MAYBE
Rock Sliders.

------------------------------

Date: 14 Dec 95 14:25:11 EST
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Winches

Well it has come time to fit a winch tothe front of my Disco and I asm looking
for some advice. I can get a Superwinch S-9000 for $499 complete with fairlead.
I am looking for ways to mount it on the Disco. I do know that I don't want he
factory winchmount (way too much $ and UGLY) and I also don't like those
reciever type mounts as I want it fixed to the vehicle. Anybody have any
experience doing a hidden mount on a Disco? If you have a winch on your Disco
write me and tell me how you did it.

								        Mark
Ritter
									94 Disco
w/
									Steel
wheels,
									mud
tires,
									rear
locker and
									MAYBE
Rock Sliders.

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:48:37 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Discovery Tires/Tyres

John Antram writes:
> 	Hello everyone; I'm having quite a hard time with finding Snow 
> tires for my '95 Discovery. I've been told by LRNA ( customer service 

Snip

John,
Don't know if they come in the right size but this is what I found 
for snows.
For years (the last 20?) I've used Sears Roadhandler Ice & Snow tires 
on my various cars and really liked them alot. They performed well in 
VA, OK, SC, VT and WI winters.
This year I bought a set of four Bridgestnoe Blizzak for our Nova. 
They work great in snow AND ICE. Because of the tread design though, 
you will only want to run them in the winter and have another set for 
the rest of the year.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:51:33 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Re[2]: fires.

ooops
> Fortunately, even though it 
>was a horse in Leesburg, no Rover  products were burned.   
                        ^          
                    show
                                                                      

 

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: Re: Canning and Rangies.
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 08:11:00 EST

Daryl

I have most back issues of Overlander for the last 10 years or so... if you 
know which year/ month I might be able to find it!!!

I think there was one on a Mal Douglas doc'o some years ago as well... or 
was it Alby Mangels (!!!)

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Simon Barclay
Sydney Australia
'90 5sp RR
'51 Series 1 (Louie)
 ----------
From: LRO-Owner
Subject: Re: Canning and Rangies.
Date: Thursday, 14 December 1995 2:00PM

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

Tony muses:
> The scene: midway up the Canning Stock Route, (Great Sandy Desert), a
> summer storm, a lightning strike nearby, the RR motor dies as the engine
> management chip fuses into a little useless blob
< rest of story deleted to prevent recurrent nightmares.>
Speaking of the canning and other remote tracks.  Does anyone have a copy of
the photos printed some years back, in Overlander magazine I think, which 
show
i) a burnt out sIII near one of the wells (38,42?) on the canning ( forgot 
to
clear the grass from the radiator when they went looking at the well :-)
and ii) the burnt out Rangie 2 dr half buried in the sand along the finke
river "track".

Urrgh nasty stuff.
I want my teddie bear......
 --

  Daryl

------------------------------

From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:17:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Range Rover open Diff, TC, and buying used questions 

The viscous coupling transfer case is made by Borg Warner and was developed
especially for the RR. It is almost certainly more expensive than the
in-house transfer case with the locking center diff (simple dog clutch vs.
vc) used in Def's & Disco's.

David Cockey

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 18:00:02 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: External Sun Visors

I've got some good news and some bad news....

The good news is that the external sun visors are ready.  (I said the guy 
was good, but didn't think he was *that* good.)  A month ahead of when 
promised.  :-)

The bad news is that the length of these makes them "oversize" for UPS and 
the post office.  That means that shipping will cost the same as a 30# 
package, even though they weigh <5#.  :-(

Sooo, you folks who have ordered them, send me your zip code, and I'll be 
able to figure the shipping costs tomorrow.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 23:42:30 +0000
From: Kevan Shaw <kevan@krshaw.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Tyres

Well here I am having woken up this morning to a flat on the Landie
followed by a flat spare. This is the fifth and sixth flats I have had this
year!  Several calls later one of the local tyre specialists says he has
three tubes  except there is only one when I get there. It seems my tubes
are well past their sell by dates and spontaneously go into holes.  Why are
these tubes so difficult to get and why are they so expensive? currently
=A314.50 each. Does anyone know ofsuitable cheap tubeless rims to fit
landies?

While I am reviewing the tyre situation has anyone tried the new radial
MudPlugga remoulds?  I am using 205R16 Michelin pattern M+S remoulds at
present which are great on the road but useless on mud, also the prospect
of another inch or two ground clearance might save by sills getting so
battered and raise the gearing, however I would like to know what they are
like on the road. When I got my Landie it was fitted with 600X16 shagged
crossplies on the front and 600X16 SAT pattern Olympics on the back which
were new and good, the thing wandered all over the road and rode very rough
hence the rapid change to radials, by the way I still have the Olympic
covers if anyone is interested.  The rest of the beast is a series 3 88"
diesel.

Kevan Shaw

****************Ars Longa Vita Brevis ***************
********************Tempus Fugit********************
********************Festina Lente********************

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:26:23 -0800
From: vandecar@nwlink.com (Ted VanDecar)
Subject: Re:  NAS D90 "Plastic" Top - Additional Parts?

In Wednesday's Digest, Mike Fredette asked for information regarding the
D90 "Plastic" Top.   Other persons, myself included, could also use the
information.  If any one responding respond could post it to the Digest, it
would appreciated.

Ted Van Decar  <vandecar@nwlink.com>
'94 D90 Slo-Mo VI

  

------------------------------

From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: Disco and Lucas
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:59:16 -0800

Since I bought  my 95 Discovery,  the radio has always made a buzzing sound 
immediately after it was turned on and before the music would come out. Just 
recently, I've notice that it no longer does that. I suppose that's good, 
but I can't help but wonder what's happened or changed. 

Things that make you go, "Hmmmm."
    _____
   /|__|_\__(|                           Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:55:40 -0800
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: TEST -- Message W/ Carriage Returns

OK, I'll post a message using carriage returns.  This is it.

But I'm on some other mailing lists using majordomo (e.g. the 
WinVn list and the mercedes list) that haven't had any 
problems.  Although come to think of it I don't usually
have much to say about WinVn -- but I do about Mercedes.

Let's see if this makes a difference.  And then let me know if
I should try sending a message NOT using carriage
returns, to see if it really makes a difference.

Incidentally, I've been also noticing a lot of "repeated" 
messages.  I'm on the real-time list.  Do you all think
majordomo is sending messages twice?

------------------------------

Date: 14 Dec 95 20:04:11 EST
From: Bob Jeffries <74223.3326@compuserve.com>
Subject: How To Fix Squeaky Steering Wheel?

---------- Forwarded Message ----------

From:	INTERNET:PZavaletta@aol.com, INTERNET:PZavaletta@aol.com
TO:	(unknown), INTERNET:LRO@LAND-ROVER.TEAM.NET
	Bob Jeffries, 74223,3326
DATE:	12/3/95 6:56 AM

RE:	How To Fix Squeaky Steering Wheel?

	id GAA07212; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 06:50:11 -0500
From: <PZavaletta@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 06:50:10 -0500
Message-ID: <951203065009_42631653@emout04.mail.aol.com>
Subject: How To Fix Squeaky Steering Wheel?

I have a '95 Range Rover County Classic with the ole squeaky steering 
wheel. My dealer has lubricated it once, then ordered the part fix for 
it, but it is on back-order. If there is a way that I can fix it myself, 
please respond with instructions as to where to lubricate. I remember the 
dealer saying something about a bushing near the firewall, but do I get 
to it from inside, under the wheel, or from under the hood? Also, what do 
I lubricate it with, pending arrival of the part fix? 

Thanks in advance 

Peter M. Zavaletta
'95 White Range Rover County Classic (Winston)

------------------------------

From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@wellsfargo.com>
Subject: Movie Sighting
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 95 14:39:00 PST

Okay so I was wasting time...

It was a 1970 Sci-Fi, very much grade B (maybe a grade C) thing called 
"Death Ray 2000" but it also is listed with an alternate title "T.R. 
Bascomb" - about a secret agent that tries to save the world from the bad 
guys stolen dehydrating death ray.  At the conclusion of the film they are 
in the Swiss Alps.  Our hero (and his co- agent played by Ann Turkel) jump 
into a 109 IIa SW ( with one jerry can stupidly lashed to the side and 
another on the rear).  Quite a bit of action with the 109.  Best scene was 
the one where the rig is reversed at speed (on snow and ice) and then thrown 
into 1st while still moving backwards fast and given much forward power 
putting it into a 'power slide'.  heh heh heh.  yeah right.

If the engine on the sound track was from the actual 109 then it must have 
been the 6-cyl;  it definitely did not sound like a 4.

Now don't you waste YOUR time watching this drivel.

Gerry Mugele 72 88
*** Remember you are unique, just like everyone else.

------------------------------

From: Simon Barclay <sbar@jna.com.au>
Subject: RE: TEST -- Message W/ Carriage Returns
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 15:03:00 EST

Yes there certainly have been a lot of duplicated msg's lately...
 ----------
From: LRO-Owner
Subject: TEST -- Message W/ Carriage Returns
Date: Thursday, 14 December 1995 4:55PM

To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

OK, I'll post a message using carriage returns.  This is it.

But I'm on some other mailing lists using majordomo (e.g. the
WinVn list and the mercedes list) that haven't had any
problems.  Although come to think of it I don't usually
have much to say about WinVn -- but I do about Mercedes.

Let's see if this makes a difference.  And then let me know if
I should try sending a message NOT using carriage
returns, to see if it really makes a difference.

Incidentally, I've been also noticing a lot of "repeated"
messages.  I'm on the real-time list.  Do you all think
majordomo is sending messages twice?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:43:03 -0500
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Carburetor Icing! What to do?

It's cold in Boston and Al Richer says...

>Start the car in the morning and get halfway to work and the engine loses 
>power. Went through the entire electrical system on the engine before I looked 
>in the carb and found 90% of the throat occluded with an ice ball. Chipped
that 
>out and it runs fine.....
-

Ah... the old Ice ball in the carb trick...

>What caused it?
-

Duhh... Lemme guess.. the cold weather? Yes? Do I win a prize?

>What DO I DO ABOUT IT?
-

Move to Florida!!! Yeah, that's the ticket. OK... Do you have your heat
shield in place?? That helps keep the heat confined where you need it.. You
*do* have the oil bath air cleaner? What kind of shape is the oil in? Clean
the whole thing out and dry it. Borrow the wife's hair dryer.. (Aiiiiii!!!) 

Cheers
Mike

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 16:18:09 EST
From: carley@manly.civeng.unsw.EDU.AU (James Carley - WRL Staff)
Subject: Re:  Tyres

In the first year of ownership of my (second hand) 110 I had about 6 flat
tyres (they were newish Dunlop Adventurers made in Australia - tube type)
and was totally PISSED off. Some readers may not realise that standard
LR rims need tube tyres.

In Australia too, lots of Disco's get sold to yuppie types. After a bit
of homework I found that Disco steel rims (16 x 7) have same offset as
std LR and in Aust at least, some dealers practically give them away. 
This is 'cause many new buyers opt for aftermarket alloys to match their
clothes or whatever. Disco rims take tubeless tyres.

In my initial enquiries I found a dealer who would give me (free) 5 Disco
rims to clear floor space, but by the time I'd acted, they'd given them all
away and I had to pay 20 Aussie dollars each elsewhere. I did here a rumour
that some Disco rims were prone to run out, but the steel looks thick and
I've had no probs or punctures (from Goodyear Wrangler 235/85 R16) in more
than 2 yrs (tubeless).

RR rims may also fit but I'm not sure about the hub centres.

James Carley
Sydney, Australia
'85 110

------------------------------

  END OF LAND ROVER OWNER DIGEST 
 Input:  messages 52 lines 2083 [forwarded 103 whitespace 541]
 Output: lines 1685 [content 950  forwarded 83 (cut  20) whitespace 516]

	
    Forward
	


	
    
          
	



Photos & text Copyright 1990-2011
	Bill Caloccia, All rights reserved. 

Digest Messages Copyright 1990-2011 by the original poster or/and
	Bill Caloccia,
	All rights reserved.