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1 | wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter d | 29 | Series IIA power steering |
2 | Tony Kingston/MTi Tradin | 36 | 1985 - 110 for sale |
3 | Richard Jones [rich@apri | 33 | Re: standards vs. automatics ... ? |
4 | sm095re@unidui.uni-duisb | 5 | [not specified] |
5 | "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" [71 | 18 | Re: ReSTAMPS |
6 | "Bobeck, David R." [dbob | 63 | Cold Weather Repair Tips. |
7 | "Bobeck, David R." [dbob | 45 | Re[2]: Buying a Land-rover |
8 | [Chris_Browne@us014-bost | 20 | Major Domo barfs again!!!!!!! |
9 | "John C. White, III" [jc | 232 | (ALERT) INTERNET DAY OF PROTEST TUESDAY DECEMBER 12, 1995 |
10 | "Oscar Beasley" [beasley | 77 | 1972 SIII S/W for sale |
11 | "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" [71 | 10 | Able Mechanic |
12 | William Caloccia [calocc | 54 | [not specified] |
13 | David Rosenbaum [rosenba | 32 | Re: clock in D90 |
14 | joes@daka.com | 15 | Re: Re[2]: Buying a Land-rover |
15 | William Caloccia [calocc | 21 | [not specified] |
16 | "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa | 34 | Re: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles (fwd) |
17 | RMJameson@aol.com | 12 | Air Pumps for Discovery |
18 | GElam30092@aol.com | 12 | FAQ |
19 | Christopher Boese [cboes | 21 | magazine subscription spam |
20 | DEBROWN@SRP.GOV | 56 | Used RR |
21 | Benjamin Allan Smith [be | 27 | [not specified] |
22 | Christopher Boese [cboes | 20 | creaky Discovery rear door - the cure |
23 | Rob Bailey [baileyr@cuug | 21 | Subject: Re: Buying a Land-rover |
24 | "Stefan R. Jacob" [10004 | 30 | Frozen ground - treacherous |
25 | benedick@emh1.pa.net (KR | 12 | Follow up calls after service |
26 | Christopher Boese [cboes | 24 | Re: Follow up calls after service |
27 | "Francis J. Twarog" [ftw | 36 | stuff |
28 | "Francis J. Twarog" [ftw | 15 | 90s |
29 | ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi | 17 | Lightweight Rovers |
30 | Mark Ritter [70472.1130@ | 19 | HYDRAULIC WINCHES |
31 | rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca | 23 | [not specified] |
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:53 GMT-0200 From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal) Subject: Series IIA power steering Hi all What is the accepted / best / easiest / cheapest way to fit power steering to a series landy? I'll be doing a chassis-up resto soon, and I'd like the SO to be able to drive the beast too. Please remember that I'm on the other side of the world, I can't just buy a kit and stick it in. I would probably have to cannabalise something to find the correct steering relay or whatever. Thanks Wouter -- Wouter de Waal ZS1KE GE>AT d-(pu) s+:-- a- C++$ UL+ U*+$ P>++ L++ E- W N+++>++ Argo 505 / FT200 !o K w(--) !O !M V(--) PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP>++ t 5? X? R? tv>--- b+++ DI+ D+ G e+++(*) h--- r+++ y+++(*) '72 Puma - 1700 FI Type IV engine Perseverance my son, '6? Series IIA SW - factory fitted Lucas immobiliser it's a Land/ /Rover "All journeys end when we reach our destination but the journeying remains a thing apart, unique unto itself. Most of us make life's journeys without understanding that the journeying is a separate thing." -- Bob Hoover ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Tony Kingston/MTi Trading Systems Limited Date: 11 Dec 95 10:05:43 GM Subject: 1985 - 110 for sale Location North East Hampshire, UK My 1985 110 is sadly up for sale. For the last 18 months we have been using it to transport kids, dogs, and horses to and from schools, walks and shows respectively. Mainly been driven by my wife on a daily basis, apart from a short stint of 50 miles per day when I used it for the daily commute to work. It must now go due the purchase of a small holding and the need for a tractor/jcb type vehicle. Details 2.5L Diesel (N/A) (blows a little oil but recently passed emissions test at MOT) Gearbox fully reconditioned 12k miles ago (18 months) MOT'd until September 1996 Taxed until summer 1996 Avon Rangemasters all round Full length roof rack Capstan Winch (front mounted) Ex British Telecom vehicle (regularly serviced, but no service history) Good chassis (spent most of it's life on the roads) Colour is light Grey (externally oversprayed by BT from the previous yellow colour) This vehicle has never ever let us down. I looking for around UK Pounds 4250 If interested? send mail to Tony Kingston@MTITS.CO.UK and I'll tell you more about it. Tony ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.mee.com> Subject: Re: standards vs. automatics ... ? Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 9:54:54 +0000 (GMT) Randall Thomas writes: > allowing you to keep going and avoiding the evil wheel spin. What you don't > need is to throttle up over some obstacle only to go flying off the other > side because you've little or no engine braking and it's too slippery to use > the brakes. Taking your senario, what happens if you miss you gear shift at the top. With the manual you go flying down the other side out of gear ... with the auto you pull the leave back and kick it down (takes a little nerve but it works). > day. I do alot of offroading in steep slippery terrain and have, more than > once, had to stop by just switching off the ignition while underway and in > gear down a slippery descent. It's just too risky to touch that brake > pedal, and this gives you a nicely controlled stop, impossible in an automatic. > Also, with a manual you always know exactly what gear you're in. (except > mine periodically jumps into neutral from third during overrun). > Cheers Randall > pedal, and this gives you a nicely controlled stop, impossible in an __ _ __ Apricot Computer Limited ' ) ) / 3500 Parkside Tel: (+44) 121 717 7171 /--' o _. /_ Birmingham Business Park Fax: (+44) 121 717 0123 / <_<_(__/ <_ BIRMINGHAM B37 7YS Richard Jones United Kingdom Email: richardj@apricot.mee.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 13:44:00 +0100 From: sm095re@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Kurt Reinhardt) get lro-digest 951210 ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 11 Dec 95 08:13:14 EST From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: ReSTAMPS Dear Robin, So far no stamps. You can be assured I will be paying you in US $ if that is OK. There really is honor amoungst Rover fellow's. Orlando Fl in the central part of the State approx 2.5hrs N of West Palm Beach. I never heard of Hutchinson. While I got you on the Net let me ask you a question.Last year I replaced my old 6cycl engine in my 1966 109 NADA wagon wioth a rebuilt(new) Turner 4 cylc. 2.5l engine. It has on now approx 1500miles and the damn thing can't get out of its own way. Max speed approx 50MPH with OD. I have two other 4cycl Turner engines in my 88' that work fine. Was I miss lead to put a 4cylc in the heavy 109? Is there a solution to my problem other then a new engine? Thanks for any help you you give me. Benjamin G.Newman, MD ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:54:44 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org> Subject: Cold Weather Repair Tips. Here's a few handy tips to keep Old Man Winter off your back. 1. If you break down in a major city, or other heavily populated area, don't bother calling a tow truck. You're much better off attemting to diagnose and fix the problem right there on the side of the road. 2. Make sure that you don't carry any spare parts that actually match the parts on your vehicle. This will handily prevent you from installing a part that might not work. 3. Once you have installed the incorrect parts, make sure the vehicle starts. If it does, immediately remove all the new parts and replace them with the old parts. This will allow you to determine whether or not these parts were actually the problem. 4. Do not attempt any repairs unless it is below 20 degrees. Be sure to wear the thinnest socks possible. Also it's best to sit around for a few hours, and wait until dark before trying to fix anything. This gives the passenger something to do, ie. holding the flashlight. 5. If your passenger suspects you have a fuel delivery probelm, then it is definitely not a fuel delivery problem. Never mind that 3 other people asked if you had a fuel delivery problem. 6. If anybody asks if you need help, say no and tell them to go away. They obviously know nothing about Land-Rovers and will just make it worse. 7. When all else fails, rebuild the distributor. Its okay if your spares are from the wrong distributor, simply put them in any old way and they will work fine. A toenail clipper makes an excellent points file. Put everything back any old way. Don't bother setting the point gap, it doesn't matter because it's not going to start anyway. Do try to set the timing though. 8. Check the spark plugs. If they have a nice black sooty coating on them, be sure to brush them real good with an oily toothbrush. This will help preserve the sooty coating. Replace the spark plugs. 9. Remove and reinstall the air filter several times. This is guaranteed to attract people who need help changing a tire on their new stolen car because they can't get into the trunk. This will make you glad that you have a junky old Land-Rover that no one in their right mind would want to steal. 10. When your Rover finally starts going again, pay no mind to the fact that it won't exceed 20 mph. These things are notoriously slow vehicles. When you finally get home, you can, in the safety and comfort of your own driveway, reconnect the vacuum advance and bend the accelarator linkage back to it's normal position. This will allow you to drive the Rover at a normal speed to the local Sushi joint and ponder quietly to yourself on the fact that it now starts easier, and runs better and faster than it has since you've owned it. Thanks to Will Hadley for holding the flashlight and sticking around while I tested these theories. Cheers. Dave"Brrrrrrr"Bobeck 72 SerIII "Green Car" ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:07:44 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org> Subject: Re[2]: Buying a Land-rover I have to chuckle at these peolpe who think they can buy a Series rover with a rust free frame and everything working for under $2000.00. I hate to inform these newbies that it is never going to happen unless you find some widow in the northern woods who doesn't know what her husband had for a vehicle. If you don't want to work on these machines then by all means go through a garage or buy a completely rebuilt vehicle but be prepared to spend $7,000-$10,000. That is just the way the market works, supply and demand. Guy Arnold 1973 Series III swb 1960 MGA 1600 roadster Guy is right. We all should expect, and I did, that for every problem you find when you look at a truck, there is one or more hidden problem. It turned out that mine and others had more serious hidden problems, but c'est la Rovers. My vehicle would have cost a bundle more had it been rust free. I still think I got a good deal. As far as frame rust goes, I think a lot of them could be repaired, after all they aren't made of gold, just regular old steel. Mine could be repaired, but I CHOSE to do a frame-over. I dread the day I actually begin the job but I'm sure it won't really be a big deal. There's nothing wrong with buying a decrepit truck, and also I think the guys up North have a more realistic idea of what a crappy truck really is. My frame has holes in it, but I've heard of frames that literally break in half on the road. Also having seen Mike Loiodice's (sorry if I speeled it wrong, mate) "Fern Rover", I know just how ugly a frame can get. And that wasn't even the worst, I'm sure... Regards Dave ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 11 Dec 95 09:31:48 EST From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com> Subject: Major Domo barfs again!!!!!!! The 12/10/95 ( for you folks back in blighty 10/12/95) list stalled out after the first half of the first out of 19 messages. If anyone received a complete list, please forward it to me. Thanks btw, checked out a lonely 90sw coniston green at lrmw early sunday morning. no sold sticker on it, just lots of ice. I love it but wife wants a rangie as the disco will not fit into her office's garage. Regards Chris Browne Brit in Boston 95 Discovery (11470 miles really cold today you should have heard the steering wheel squeak!) chris_browne@us014-minet-boston.ccmail.compuserve.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 06:51:00 -0800 From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com> Subject: (ALERT) INTERNET DAY OF PROTEST TUESDAY DECEMBER 12, 1995 This was truncated by Herr Majordomo last time. As I said last time, this is not directly related to Land Rovers (Sorry.) but does effect the Internet. My apologies for boring the non-US readers with this, but there's no other way to reach only Americans without sending this out to everyone. Cheers! John Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 00:33:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Shabbir J. Safdar" <shabbir@VTW.ORG> Subject: (ALERT) INTERNET DAY OF PROTEST TUESDAY DECEMBER 12, 1995 ======================================================================== CAMPAIGN TO STOP THE NET CENSORSHIP LEGISLATION IN CONGRESS On Tuesday December 12, 1995, Join With Hundreds of Thousands Of Your Fellow Internet Users In A NATIONAL INTERNET DAY OF PROTEST PLEASE WIDELY REDISTRIBUTE THIS DOCUMENT WITH THIS BANNER INTACT REDISTRIBUTE ONLY UNTIL December 20, 1995 ________________________________________________________________________ CONTENTS Internet Day of Protest: Tuesday December 12, 1995 What You Must Do On Tuesday December 12, 1995 List of Participating Organizations Where Can I Learn More? ________________________________________________________________________ INTERNET DAY OF PROTEST: TUESDAY DECEMBER 12, 1995 Outrageous proposals to censor the Internet demand that the Internet Community take swift and immediate action. We must stand up and let Congress know that we will not tolerate their attempts to destroy this medium! Please join hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens in a National Day of Protest on Tuesday December 12, 1995. As you know, on Wednesday December 6, 1995, the House Conference Committee on Telecommunications Reform voted to impose far reaching and unconstitutional "indecency" restrictions on the Internet and other interactive media, including large commercial online services (such as America Online, Compuserve, and Prodigy) and smaller Internet Service Providers such as Panix, the Well, Echo, and Mindvox. These restrictions threaten the very existence of the Internet and interactive media as a viable medium for free expression, education, commerce. If enacted, the Internet as we know it will never be the same. Libraries will not be able to put any books online that might offend a child somewhere. No "Catcher in the Rye" or "Ulysses" on the net. Internet Service Providers could face criminal penalties for allowing children to subscribe to their Internet Services, forcing many small companies to simply refuse to sell their services to anyone under 18. Worst of all, everything you say and publish on the net will have to be "dumbed down" to that which is acceptable to a child. As Internet users, we simply must not allow this assault against the Internet and our most basic freedoms to go unchallenged. On Tuesday December 12, the organizations below are urging you to join us in a NATIONAL DAY OF PROTEST. The goal is to flood key members of the House and Senate with phone calls, faxes and email with the message that the Internet community WILL NOT TOLERATE Congressional attempts to destroy the Internet, limit our freedoms and trample on our rights. Below are the phone, fax, and email address of several key members of Congress on this issue and instructions on what you can do to join the National Day of Protest to save the Net. ______________________________________________________________________ WHAT YOU MUST DO ON TUESDAY DECEMBER 12, 1995 1. Throughout the day Tuesday December 12, please contact as many members of Congress on the list below as you can. If you are only able to make one call, contact House Speaker Newt Gingrich. Finally, if the Senator or Representative from your state is on the list below, be sure to contact him or her also. 2. Urge each Member of Congress to "stop the madness". Tell them that they are about to pass legislation that will destroy the Internet as an educational and commercial medium. If you are at a loss for words, try the following sample communique: Sample phone call: Both the House and Senate bills designed to protect children from objectionable material on the Internet will actually destroy the Internet as an medium for education, commerce, and political discourse. There are other, less restrictive ways to address this issue. I urge you to oppose both measures being proposed in the conference committee. This is an important election issue to me. Sample letter (fax or email): The Senate conferees are considering ways to protect children from inappropriate material on the Internet. A vote for either the House or Senate proposals will result in the destruction of the Internet as a viable medium for free expression, education, commerce. Libraries will not be able to put their entire book collections online. Everyday people like me will risk massive fines and prison sentences for public discussions someone s somewhere might consider "indecent". There are other, less restrictive ways to protect children from objectionable material online. This is an important election issue to me. 3. If you're in San Francisco, or near enough to get there, go to the Rally Against Censorship from Ground Zero of the Digital Revolution: WHEN: Monday, December 11, 1995 12:00 - 1:00 PM WHERE: South Park (between 2nd and 3rd, Bryant and Brannon) San Francisco. SPEAKERS: To be announced BRING: Attention-grabbing posters, signs, and banners that demonstrate your committment to free speech and expression, and your feelings about Congress. FOR UPDATED INFORMATION (including rain info): http://www.hotwired.com/staff/digaman/ ### THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT ### 4. Mail a note to protest@vtw.org to let us know you did your part. Although you will not receive a reply due to the number of anticipated responses, we'll be counting up the number of people that participated in the day of protest. P ST Name and Address Phone Fax = == ======================== ============== ============== R AK Stevens, Ted 1-202-224-3004 1-202-224-1044 R AZ McCain, John 1-202-224-2235 1-602-952-8702 senator_mccain@mccain.senate.gov D HI Inouye, Daniel K. 1-202-224-3934 1-202-224-6747 R KS Dole, Robert 1-202-224-6521 1-202-228-1245 D KY Ford, Wendell H. 1-202-224-4343 1-202-224-0046 wendell_ford@ford.senate.gov R MS Lott, Trent 1-202-224-6253 1-202-224-2262 R MT Burns, Conrad R. 1-202-224-2644 1-202-224-8594 conrad_burns@burns.senate.gov D NE Exon, J. J. 1-202-224-4224 1-202-224-5213 D SC Hollings, Ernest F. 1-202-224-6121 1-202-224-4293 senator@hollings.senate.gov R SD Pressler, Larry 1-202-224-5842 1-202-224-1259 larry_pressler@pressler.senate.gov R WA Gorton, Slade 1-202-224-3441 1-202-224-9393 senator_gorton@gorton.senate.gov D WV Rockefeller, John D. 1-202-224-6472 n.a. senator@rockefeller.senate.gov Dist ST Name, Address, and Party Phone Fax ==== == ======================== ============== ============== 6 GA Gingrich, Newt (R) 1-202-225-4501 1-202-225-4656 2428 RHOB georgia6@hr.house.gov 14 MI Conyers Jr., John (D) 1-202-225-5126 1-202-225-0072 2426 RHOB jconyers@hr.house.gov 1 CO Schroeder, Patricia (D) 1-202-225-4431 1-202-225-5842 2307 RHOB 18 TX Jackson-Lee, Sheila (D) 1-202-225-3816 1-202-225-3317 1520 LHOB 6 TN Gordon, Bart (D) 1-202-225-4231 1-202-225-6887 2201 RHOB 4. Forward this alert to all of your wired friends. ________________________________________________________________________ WHERE CAN I LEARN MORE? At this moment, there are several organizations with WWW sites that now have, or will have, information about the net censorship legislation and the National Day Of Protest: American Civil Liberties Union (ftp://ftp.aclu.org/aclu/) Center for Democracy and Technology (http://www.cdt.org/) Electronic Frontier Foundation (http://www.eff.org/) Electronic Privacy Information Center (http://www.epic.org/) Wired Magazine (http://www.hotwired.com/special/indecent/) Voters Telecommunications Watch (http://www.vtw.org/) ________________________________________________________________________ LIST OF PARTICIPATING ORGANIZATIONS In order to use the net more effectively, several organizations have joined forces on a single Congressional net campaign to stop the Communications Decency Act. American Civil Liberties Union * American Communication Association * American Council for the Arts * Arts & Technology Society * Association of Alternative Newsweeklies * biancaTroll productions * Boston Coalition for Freedom of Expression * Californians Against Censorship Together * Center For Democracy And Technology * Centre for Democratic Communications * Center for Public Representation * Citizen's Voice - New Zealand * Cloud 9 Internet *Computer Communicators Association * Computel Network Services * Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility * Cross Connection * Cyber-Rights Campaign * CyberQueer Lounge * Dorsai Embassy * Dutch Digital Citizens' Movement * ECHO Communications Group, Inc. * Electronic Frontier Canada * Electronic Frontier Foundation * Electronic Frontier Foundation - Austin * Electronic Frontiers Australia * Electronic Frontiers Houston * Electronic Frontiers New Hampshire * Electronic Privacy Information Center * Feminists For Free Expression * First Amendment Teach-In * Florida Coalition Against Censorship * FranceCom, Inc. Web Advertising Services * Friendly Anti-Censorship Taskforce for Students * Hands Off! The Net * Inland Book Company * Inner Circle Technologies, Inc. * Inst. for Global Communications * Internet On-Ramp, Inc. * Internet Users Consortium * Joint Artists' and Music Promotions Political Action Committee * The Libertarian Party * Marijuana Policy Project * Metropolitan Data Networks Ltd. * MindVox * MN Grassroots Party * National Bicycle Greenway * National Campaign for Freedom of Expression * National Coalition Against Censorship * National Gay and Lesbian Task Force * National Public Telecomputing Network * National Writers Union * Oregon Coast RISC * Panix Public Access Internet * People for the American Way * Republican Liberty Caucus * Rock Out Censorship * Society for Electronic Access * The Thing International BBS Network * The WELL * Voters Telecommunications Watch (Note: All 'Electronic Frontier' organizations are independent entities, not EFF chapters or divisions.) ________________________________________________________________________ End Alert ======================================================================== ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Oscar Beasley" <beasleyo@milo.cfw.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:07:13 +0000 Subject: 1972 SIII S/W for sale Just in time for Christmas and after all the excellent advice on buying *long distance*, I am offering my SIII for sale. This vehicle was originally sold through a local dealer here in the Shenandoah Valley in Virginia. It was the owner's personal vehicle until he went to a nursing home. It then sat in his barn for many years, suffering through a major flood that filled it up to the frame with water and mud. When re-discovered, the frame had been mostly destroyed. I bought the vehicle from the second owner who had applied various SPOT tricks, etc. Bottom line, the vehicle was completely disassembled. I started w/new galvanized frame (from RN), rebuilt engine (now w/14,500 miles), rebuilt transmission (from Mike Hoskins), galvanized footwells, new gas tank, all new brake lines, most instruments, new heater box/lower dash, new springs, shocks, swivel balls, new wheel bearings, brakes, tie rod ends, bump stops, engine mounts, and on and on. It is easier to say what was not replaced: the hardtop, the exterior body, both axles and the top dash, firewall, rear safari door and rear seats. It needs to be painted and a couple of wrinkles ironed out on the front wings. The headliner has about a two-inch *L* tear, the driver's seat is in need of recovering, the rear seats have a few nicks (replacements are still in plastic), and it needs carpeting and/or mats. (I left the two bullet holes in the body and driver's seat because it makes great conversation! No, not a jealous husband!) I have installed a new overdrive (from Atlantic Brit.), and have a brand-new, *still on the pallet* high speed transfer case (from Mike Hoskins), spare diff., spare bearings, seals, gaskets, brakes, shocks, springs, and various pieces, parts and chunks. The truck is a daily runner, 60+ miles round-trip. Graduate school is forcing me to sell it. I can't spend the time to keep it properly maintained, not to mention that I am doing this out of my savings and have two semesters to finish. Anyway, *The Rogue* needs a good home and someone to finish the project. Call Lanny at RN and he can verify that all parts ordered are Genuine LR, and that I have spent over $10K on parts with them, alone. Atlantic British can verify the couple of thou they have received from me, and Mike Hoskins can verify the couple of grand he has received. I won't tell you how much I paid the SPOT, but whoever buys this truck will see it on the title. All fluids are synthetic from rebuild or new except steering relay and steering box (plain old 90wt there). Five 16" rims w/new BF Goodrich made 235R 16 radials, and six 15" rims w/four like-new Toyo radials and two good radial spares. Talk to anyone from Blue Ridge Land Rover Club (http://www.cemr.wvu.edu/~wwwatf/brlrc/brlrc.htm) about the vehicle, it runs well and is SOLID. It just needs some cosmetics and touching-up. Since I use it off-road, I didn't want to paint it and then see it get scratched (scarved ;-}) on the trail. I live in Staunton, Virginia where I-81 and I-64 (west from Richmond) join. 540-885-2949 gets my voice mail (only a 45 second message), or a FAX. I will try to get some photos scanned to send by FAX or by email for those in a hurry, and some good color shots for more leisurely, but serious, parties. (I'm in exams this week and won't be around during the daytime until Friday 12/15/95.) $12,500 - as is with all misc. parts, transfer case, etc. Offers below that figure will be considered, however, lower offers will not include parts. Thanks for the bandwidth, and have a Happy Holiday. Bo Beasley beasleyo@milo.cfw.com (Oscar Beasley) 540-885-2949 Voice Mail & FAX (Home) beasleoh@vax.acs.jmu.edu (Grad School) ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 11 Dec 95 10:16:40 EST From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com> Subject: Able Mechanic I am in need of a mechanic to do do minor repairs eg tune up's ,oil changes etc on my Series Rover's:1966 109 NADA wagon,1962 88" 3 door Ser 111,and a 1966 Ser 11A pick up truck, that works in the Central FL area. Please any suggestions?? Benjamin G. Newman Orlando Fl ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: It's here. Wanted: Monster Rivit tool ? 4sale: Trans. Brake Shoes ? Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:09:37 -0500 From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com> Hi All ! Well, after the removers left most of my stuff at the loft, (and most of the spare L-R parts (tail gate, bottom & top!; windscreen surround, left hand side for a safari wagon top, replacement brake & clutch parts, etc. etc.) [so am I the only LRO with L-R body parts under my bed ?], Saturday my task was to go up to the warehouse in Wakefield and pick up the SIIa then bring it up to my friend's in Tyngsboro, 'til I find shelter for the spare engine, diff and front axle case w/diff. So, of course, it had to be a good winter storm. And the right hand side of the Safari top was packed into the passenger's seat, so the ankle burner was entirely blocked off. After putting the doors back on (less a brass ball) I was off into the snow. With the spare engine, diffs, axle case, and five 109" rims in the rear, there was *lots* of traction, and it wasn't until I got up off the main road in Tyngsboro that I actually engaged 4wd. My legs were pretty cold from the draft, but I made it up to Tyngsboro and even passwd a bunch of sheep, err traffic, on route 3 who were queued up behind a lorry. Not often the top speed of a heavily laden L-R is above the rest of the traffic on the motorway :-) After a few more hours of snow we piled into my friends Ford F-350 pick-up and went back down to Wakefield, where it was pouring rain, and I retrieved my vehicle from the lot and we were off. Now I've just got to wait for it to get above freezing to rinse the salt off and unfreeze the tail gate glass latch on the RR. Anybody stateside looking for transmission brake shoes ? They sent me two sets, and I don't think I'll need the second set for quite a while, so it is available. Also, anyone in Mass. or nearby have a high-leverage rivit tool ? (You know the ones that look like bolt-cutters (not the plier type). The rivits for the station wagon top are huge, and I really need to get it on the vehicle 'cause there is not visibility to the left with the blind side top and RHD.) I'll also take suggestions on where to rent one. Cheers, --bill caloccia@OpenMarket.com http://www.senie.com/billc/ L P R 1 3 2wd H 1 3 R dl OD L | R +--|--| o | |--|-+ o | | H N 2 4 4wd L 2 4 ul N H D L '63 SIIa 88" '72 RR '90 RR County 793-PTA DAJ-802-L ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:47:00 -0800 (PST) From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: clock in D90 Dear Alan, Thank-you for your message. I took the clock out yesterday and looked at it with a dissecting microscope. It is an interesting combination some type of computer "chip" but also a little motor and a series of gears (all of which seem to be made of nylon and/or plastic). One interesting wheel appeared to have a "rubber" ring on its perimeter and was surrounded by 4 close flat wire "contacts" (?). (I wonder if the ring is magnetized and receives or feeds back signal to the contacts to control speed...) Although the assembly looked dry to the naked eye, under the scope, the gears were almost DRIPPING with lubricant. I cleaned off a few tiny pieces of plastic or nylon that looked like milling remnants. I didn't have a good way to get rid of what appears to be excessive oil. The gear with the rubber ring wobbles a lot. The rubber ring was uneven with respect to gear that it was applied to, so I straighted that. In sum: not much in the way of "user serviceable" parts inside. The fact that the assembly looks so wet is further evidence for your idea about congealed lubricant to explain the recent slowing. I put the clock back in, and since our cold spell is over for now, I expect that it will run OK for now. Best wishes, David ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: joes@daka.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Buying a Land-rover Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 18:09:31 -0800 (PST) Guy, Please send a name(s), addresses or ph#'s of a garage(s) where you can get a <completely rebuilt LR for $7000-$10000>. I'm serious, here in the Pacific NW a clean and not restored LR runs more than that. A totally rebuilt one goes for (asking price) $12,000-$25,000 from a garage. Here most LR's aren't driven they're "owned". Thanks, -Joe ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Digest Problems Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:33:31 -0500 From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com> Hi, Well odds are the digester got indigestion, and hurled the other 19 messages (most likely due to some input that it didn't like), as I've no longer access to the system which Major D is running on, I am unable to go back and take a look at the historical input to check up on it. If one of the real-time or real-time bulliten board people still has a copy of the following two messages and could forward them to me, I *might* be able to figure out the error, but I can't correct it until Major D is re-assigned. 1 johnliu@earthlink.net Sat Dec 9 02:52 38/4263 Buying Long Distance 2 JRBIRD@aol.com Sat Dec 9 04:12 14/797 subscribe Cheers, -B ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 08:03:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Subject: Re: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles (fwd) LROs All, I found the last magazine subsription scam message annoying enough to try tracking down their source. I got far enough (not far at all) to contact the Massey University computer folks and ask them about a possible breach of security. This is their response (below). For what it's worth, the last scam message did not include an email address for a response, so they must be getting a ration in response to these broadcasts. If we get another one, the last response address they gave was krazykev@kjl.com, and I'd suggest a massive onslaught in response. Multiple copies of the larger digests ought to get the message across. Walt Swain ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:29:41 +1200 From: Help.Desk@massey.ac.nz Subject: Re: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles (fwd) > You recently informed us of an unsolicited advertisement which appears to have come from Massey University. This was actually sent from another site by someone who forged the address to make it look as though it came from this site. This person or persons are well known for such doings and the forged sites change all the time. We apologize for any inconvenience, but it is beyond our control to stop this from happening. Thank you. ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: RMJameson@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:45:04 -0500 Subject: Air Pumps for Discovery It can't be that there are no Discoverys out there with air systems, can it? If you responded, sorry I missed it. I would like to find experiences with on board air systems for a '94 Discovery. Is it a really dumb idea? Does anyone have suggestions, air or driven? Are they make to fit Discoverys? Will they void the LR warranty? Anyone have experience with a particular brand? Any guesses as to the cost? etc. Thanks. ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: GElam30092@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:01:45 -0500 Subject: FAQ Is there a FAQ or set of guidelines on importing older Land Rovers from the UK? All assistance is appreciated! Thanks.. Gerry E. Phoenix, AZ ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:18:04 -0800 From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us> Subject: magazine subscription spam Walter C. Swain wrote: > I found the last magazine subsription scam message annoying enough to try > tracking down their source. There's an interesting document on the Web - the Blacklist of Internet Advertisers, on which this spam appears. The List is at http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/BL/blacklist.html or http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~cbrown/BL/. For the story of the magazine spam, see http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~cbrown/BL/kl_info.txt. -- Christopher Boese County of San Bernardino, California Information Services, Information Systems Security Office '95 Beluga Black Discovery ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 13:27:23 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: Used RR FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: Used RR John, I didn't get your last e-mail... only one line, saying that you're thinking about getting a used RR yourself. I assumed there's more that I didn't get?? Questions? Comments? Looking back, I probably would still have gotten the one I did... Just from the overall condition of the RR I suspected that it was NOT well maintained mechanically. (Nor cosmetically!) But for the price... I still think it was a fair deal. Tips: Look at MANY RR's to get a feel for what's out there, condition, problems, etc. Ask "What problems have you had with it?" and "Is there anything AT ALL wrong with it?" (This will eat at their conscience if there is... provided it's not a car dealer, whom, as we all know, have no conscience.) Make a full sharp turn in both left and right, high and low range, and listen for any clunking, jerking, etc. while some throttle is applied. Test out the low range, and locking (about all you can do without really getting into it is to see if the light turns on when locked) Look into the oil fill opening. Neglected engine will be dirty and crusted with scum. (Not sure if a well maintained engine will have this since I have no experience there :-( but I don't think it would. Any unusual engine noises will SURELY be EXPENSIVE to fix. Don't assume it's a simple fix unless you KNOW for sure what it is. (Don't take their word for it, if it was an easy or inexpensive fix, then why didn't they fix it??) Assume the worst, then you won't be disappointed. I've also heard the P.S. boxes can leak profusely, and are quite expensive. Ask to see maintenance records if they have them. LOOK at them to see oil change frequency, any other problems... They gave me the name of their mechanic, whom I called and found out more things that have been replaced, but couldn't comment on oil changes. (not done by him... maybe just not done!) Look for un-matched paint color OR finish. Mine had obviously been in an accident, they admitted to it, due to the dull finish on parts, shinier on other parts. Check for leaks, (keep in mind, it IS a LR ;-) ) Pointing out leaks and flaws may help the price negotiating. Keep in mind what is cosmetic, or easily fixed by yourself, and what is not. Keep in mind... it is a vehicle, not that unlike a Chevy or Ford (yuck!) aka no fear in doing minor repairs yourself. (with the proper knowledge and tools) Good luck, feel free to write back if you have any more or specific questions. I WILL reply, so if no response, I probably didn't get your message. Try again. Thanks, and good luck... Dave (smarter now, but poorer) Brown. #=======# ________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ /__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \_/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: How many are left ?? Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:08:53 -0800 From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil> In message <Pine.3.89.9512082248.D20477-0100000@emr1.emr.ca>you wrote: > > If only I could grep through the various DMV databases for the 50 > > states on the word Rover.... > The problem with this type of number playing is many... I know the problems, but it puts a better baseline to extrapolate from than pulling a number out of the middle of nowwhere. > Rover North America says X Land Rovers were imported and sold. > Fine, but.... This number does not include those imported directly [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] > been here... The 16k figure was arrived at in an unscientific > way... Unscientific? It was using the availible numbers. I've heard 16k mentioned many times. Then I actually looked at the data that James Taylor put together. And 16k meets the that criteria. Argueably that only covers the Rovers imported by LR directly. How many LRs would have been brought in by the Canadian Gov't? 4k? I still think that the numbers are closer to 16k (or even 20k) than 50k. Ben ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:22:36 -0800 From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us> Subject: creaky Discovery rear door - the cure On the fourth go, someone at Symes LR not only heard the really loud creaking noise but also got rid of it. The solution? Lubricating the rear door hinges and tightening their bolts. That was all, after four visits and several hundred miles of driving back and forth to Pasadena. Bravo for Tom, the new LR Service Manager. If it weren't for him, I might have continued my slide into madness brought on by that noise. Now I can concentrate on taking on the snow that's supposed to be here within a day or two. -- Christopher Boese County of San Bernardino, California Information Services, Information Systems Security Office '95 Beluga Black Discovery ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:33:41 -0700 (MST) From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca> Subject: Subject: Re: Buying a Land-rover >I have to chuckle at these peolpe who think they can buy a Series >rover with a rust free frame and everything working for under >$2000.00. I hate to inform these newbies that it is never going to >happen unless you find some widow in the northern woods who doesn't >know what her husband had for a vehicle. I disagree. I bought my 1963 SIIa SWB S/W for $1200CDN. It has a great frame, a solid engine and tons of spare parts. The main problems were missing front seats and really bad brakes. I purchased a set of used seats for $60, and put another $125 into the brakes and seals. You just have to watch and wait for the deals to come along. My Rover is far from new shape, but I can't remember any trees complaining after being massaged by it's dented/multi-coloured body (damn tree should have moved, anyways!). Rob ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 11 Dec 95 16:41:28 EST From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Frozen ground - treacherous My friend Gunter's not in the best of moods these days because on the weekend, when offroading at our favourite venue (US firing range - big holes!) he managed to throw a spanking new Disco on its side. The damage is extensive and the slippage happened in the first place because the ground/mud was *frozen*, hard as concrete. He tried to negotiate a declining rutted passage by balancing the vehicle on top of the mounds (the ruts were too deep to drive in them), and though the Disco was equipped with Mud-Terrains, the profile had nothing to grip as it just didn't sink into the frozen ground. The vehicle went into a slow, uncontrollable slide, fell into the righthand rut, and over it went, sliding on its right side to a painful halt to the sound of shattering glass and screeching aluminum. Recovery was relatively easy, again due to the hard ground, and naturally the car was still fully functional - Gunter's still driving around in it, with plastic foil in the windows... (Just FYI, the air bags *didn't* deploy). The lesson from this would be that even the most aggressive of tires are useless if the mud is frozen solid, and that you should, if at all possible, avoid even modest descents on frozen ground. I would actually advise a kind of 'reverse recovery': Secure the vehicle with the winch and/or ropes and carefully let it down until you reach level ground again. Once you start slipping you're definitely bound for trouble... Treading *very* lightly on frozen land, Stefan <Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com> ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:53:19 -0500 From: benedick@emh1.pa.net (KRIS/DARWYN BENEDICT) Subject: Follow up calls after service Hi All: I have received follow-up phone calls from the folks at LRNA each time my Disco. was in for service at our dealer, except the last time. I was wondering if they always do this or just some of the time. Kris- 94 White Disco.- Thumper ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:35:07 -0800 From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us> Subject: Re: Follow up calls after service KRIS/DARWYN BENEDICT wrote: > I have received follow-up phone calls from the folks at LRNA each time my > Disco. was in for service at our dealer, except the last time. I was > wondering if they always do this or just some of the time. They've never called me, and I've been back four or five times in the last two months (creaky rear door, inoperable fuel pump, detached CD player cover, defective passenger door check strap.) It's just as well; I might have sounded grumpy. Still, the techs at the dealer have actually been very thorough and done good work. They just need time. -- Christopher Boese County of San Bernardino, California Information Services, Information Systems Security Office '95 Beluga Black Discovery ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:42:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu> Subject: stuff Well, to answer part of yesterday's trivia, here are 13 things that differentiate a base '95 NAS 90 from a MY94... 1.Front bumper no longer integrates turn signals - moved up to wing w/ larger oval amber lense (reminiscent of military typr only bigger). 2. Doors stay open when put into "lock" position. 3. Rear door actually comes with an exterior lock (duh!) 4. Door tops and fast back top included in base price. 5. BFG A/Ts standard - M/Ts become optional. 6. Riv nuts for fiberglass hardtop preinstalled and colorcoated. 7. Beefier stereo and rear speakers. 8. Front doors have map pockets integrated - (in LRNA lit. the rear gate has a pocket too, but I've never seen a '95 with it actually in place.) 9. Pockets behind front seats - plastic protective pieces applied to prevent seats from tearing due to rubbing against x-bar of cage. 10. Rear turn signals round instead of square. 11. Arles blue no longer available on softtop model - "limited" black becomes color choice (sans leather seats) 12. R380 'box replaces LT85. Lighter action clutch installed. 13. Base of angle portion of roll cage slightly different... I'm not going to answer the second trivia question until tomorrow in the hope that someone gets at least one correct... Today I have 2 trivia questions: 1. We all know early 80" LRs had green chassis, but what color were the chassis of early 107"s? 2. What was unique (and unfortunately an abandoned quality) about the tailgate lid of series 1 hardtops? Frank Twarog Burlington, VT ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:47:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu> Subject: 90s A full 2 weeks after LRMW received 7 90 hardtops, the Automaster is still without even 1! (I completed one article for the RN newsletter and was asked to do a write-up on the 90SW - yet they don't have any to examine yet). Anyway, if you have the chance, would you send me a couple of brosures (sp?) on the 90 SW - I am assuming that they produced one like the pamphlet on the 110, but maybe not. In any case, if you get the chance... Thanx... Frank Twarog 11 Pine St Burlington, VT 05401 ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:00:04 -0500 From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith) Subject: Lightweight Rovers Dear All, We are going to be restoring a SIIA Lightweight for a client later this winter. Can anyone direct me to the proper source to trace back the VIN on a particular lightweight, Lightweight Club Members in UK on this list, etc. I need to find out what the vehicle was used for, via its numbers to give it the proper paint scheme, etc. from its original use in the military. I have the numbers to the UK clubs, but if any of those knowledgeable members are on line, please let me know. Thanks very much in advance for your help. Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co. ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 11 Dec 95 22:00:11 EST From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com> Subject: HYDRAULIC WINCHES Anybody out there have any experience with the MILE MARKER brand of hydraulic winches? They operate off the power steering pump. I remember seeing an add for them in a 4 wheel magazine, but I lost it and can't find the number anywhere. The old Brano winch is great but on those long unclimbable hills it does get tiring! Mark Ritter 94 Disco w/ Steel wheels, mud tires and rear locker. Still waiting for the Rock Sliders! ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Land Rover Toy News From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 19:47:05 -0500 I picked the latest addition to my toy collection the other day. It is number 1914 from Solido. It is a 1/43 scale series 3 109 station wagon, left hand drive in white. It comes with about 18 decals that you put on yourself. A caution here, trim your decals carefully and close and use warm water to soak them in, and slide on with a small fine paint brush. This vehcile has bee offered before in differeent guises and at $15 CDN at the store it was good value for money. Have fun, Robin -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951212 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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