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1 wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter d29Series IIA power steering
2 Tony Kingston/MTi Tradin361985 - 110 for sale
3 Richard Jones [rich@apri33Re: standards vs. automatics ... ?
4 sm095re@unidui.uni-duisb5[not specified]
5 "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" [7118Re: ReSTAMPS
6 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob63Cold Weather Repair Tips.
7 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob45Re[2]: Buying a Land-rover
8 [Chris_Browne@us014-bost20Major Domo barfs again!!!!!!!
9 "John C. White, III" [jc232(ALERT) INTERNET DAY OF PROTEST TUESDAY DECEMBER 12, 1995
10 "Oscar Beasley" [beasley771972 SIII S/W for sale
11 "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" [7110Able Mechanic
12 William Caloccia [calocc54[not specified]
13 David Rosenbaum [rosenba32Re: clock in D90
14 joes@daka.com 15Re: Re[2]: Buying a Land-rover
15 William Caloccia [calocc21[not specified]
16 "Walter C. Swain" [wcswa34Re: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles (fwd)
17 RMJameson@aol.com 12Air Pumps for Discovery
18 GElam30092@aol.com 12FAQ
19 Christopher Boese [cboes21magazine subscription spam
20 DEBROWN@SRP.GOV 56Used RR
21 Benjamin Allan Smith [be27[not specified]
22 Christopher Boese [cboes20creaky Discovery rear door - the cure
23 Rob Bailey [baileyr@cuug21Subject: Re: Buying a Land-rover
24 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000430Frozen ground - treacherous
25 benedick@emh1.pa.net (KR12Follow up calls after service
26 Christopher Boese [cboes24Re: Follow up calls after service
27 "Francis J. Twarog" [ftw36stuff
28 "Francis J. Twarog" [ftw1590s
29 ecrover@midcoast.com (Mi17Lightweight Rovers
30 Mark Ritter [70472.1130@19HYDRAULIC WINCHES
31 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca23[not specified]


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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:53 GMT-0200
From: wrm@ccii.co.za (Wouter de Waal)
Subject: Series IIA power steering

Hi all

What is the accepted / best / easiest / cheapest way to fit power steering
to a series landy? I'll be doing a chassis-up resto soon, and I'd like the
SO to be able to drive the beast too.

Please remember that I'm on the other side of the world, I can't just buy a
kit and stick it in. I would probably have to cannabalise something to find
the correct steering relay or whatever.

Thanks

Wouter
--
Wouter de Waal ZS1KE  GE>AT d-(pu) s+:-- a- C++$ UL+ U*+$ P>++ L++ E- W N+++>++
Argo 505 / FT200      !o K w(--) !O !M V(--) PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP>++ t 5? X? R?
                      tv>--- b+++ DI+ D+ G e+++(*) h--- r+++ y+++(*)

'72 Puma - 1700 FI Type IV engine                          Perseverance my son,
'6? Series IIA SW - factory fitted Lucas immobiliser         it's a   Land/
                                                                       /Rover
"All journeys end when we reach our destination but the journeying
remains a thing apart, unique unto itself. Most of us make life's journeys
without understanding that the journeying is a separate thing." -- Bob Hoover

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From: Tony Kingston/MTi Trading Systems Limited
Date: 11 Dec 95 10:05:43 GM
Subject: 1985 - 110 for sale

Location   North East Hampshire, UK

My 1985 110 is sadly up for sale.  For the last 18 months we have been using it 
to transport kids, dogs, and horses to and from schools, walks and shows 
respectively. Mainly been driven by my wife on a daily basis, apart from a 
short stint of 50 miles per day when I used it for the daily commute to work.  
It must now go due the purchase of a small holding and the need for a 
tractor/jcb type vehicle. 

Details
2.5L Diesel (N/A) (blows a little oil but recently passed emissions test at MOT)
Gearbox fully reconditioned 12k miles ago (18 months)
MOT'd until September 1996
Taxed until summer 1996
Avon Rangemasters all round
Full length roof rack
Capstan Winch (front mounted)
Ex British Telecom vehicle (regularly serviced, but no service history)
Good chassis (spent most of it's life on the roads) 
Colour is light Grey (externally oversprayed by BT from the previous yellow 
colour)

This vehicle has never ever let us down.

I looking for around UK Pounds 4250 

If interested? send mail to Tony Kingston@MTITS.CO.UK and I'll tell you more 
about it.

Tony

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From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.mee.com>
Subject: Re: standards vs. automatics ... ?
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 9:54:54 +0000 (GMT)

Randall Thomas writes:
> 	allowing you to keep going and avoiding the evil wheel spin.  What you don't
> 	need is to throttle up over some obstacle only to go flying off the other
> 	side because you've little or no engine braking and it's too slippery to use
> 	the brakes.

Taking your senario, what happens if you miss you gear shift at the top.  With the
manual you go flying down the other side out of gear ... with the auto you pull the
leave back and kick it down (takes a little nerve but it works).
	
> 	day.  I do alot of offroading in steep slippery terrain and have, more than
> 	once, had to stop by just switching off the ignition while underway and in
> 	gear down a slippery descent.  It's just too risky to touch that brake
> 	pedal, and this gives you a nicely controlled stop, impossible in an 	
automatic.  

> 	Also, with a manual you always know exactly what gear you're in. (except
> 	mine periodically jumps into neutral from third during overrun).
> 	Cheers Randall
> 	pedal, and this gives you a nicely controlled stop, impossible in an 	

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 13:44:00 +0100
From: sm095re@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Kurt Reinhardt)

get lro-digest 951210

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Date: 11 Dec 95 08:13:14 EST
From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: ReSTAMPS

Dear Robin,
So far no stamps. You can be assured I will be paying you in US $ if that is OK.
There really is honor amoungst Rover fellow's.
Orlando Fl in the central part of the State approx 2.5hrs N of West Palm Beach.
I never heard of Hutchinson.
While I got you on the Net let me ask you a question.Last year I replaced my old
6cycl engine in my 1966 109 NADA wagon wioth a rebuilt(new) Turner 4 cylc. 2.5l
engine. It has on now approx 1500miles and the damn thing can't get out of its
own way. Max speed approx 50MPH with OD. I have two other 4cycl Turner engines
in my 88' that work fine. Was I miss lead to put a 4cylc in the heavy 109? Is
there a solution to my problem other then a new engine?
Thanks for any help you you give me.
Benjamin G.Newman, MD

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:54:44 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Cold Weather Repair Tips.

          Here's a few handy tips to keep Old Man Winter off your back.

1. If you break down in a major city, or other heavily populated area, don't
bother calling a tow truck.
   You're much better off attemting to diagnose and fix the problem right
   there on the side of the road.

2. Make sure that you don't carry any spare parts that actually match the
parts on your vehicle. This will handily prevent you from installing a part
that might not work.

3. Once you have installed the incorrect parts, make sure the vehicle
starts. If it does, immediately remove all the new parts and replace them
with the old parts. This will allow you to determine whether or not these
parts were actually the problem.

4. Do not attempt any repairs unless it is below 20 degrees. Be sure to wear
the thinnest socks possible. Also it's best to sit around for a few hours,
and wait until dark before trying to fix anything. This gives the passenger
something to do, ie. holding the flashlight.

5. If your passenger suspects you have a fuel delivery probelm, then it is
 definitely not a fuel delivery problem. Never mind that 3 other people
asked if you had a fuel delivery problem.

6. If anybody asks if you need help, say no and tell them to go away. They
obviously know nothing about Land-Rovers and will just make it worse.

7. When all else fails, rebuild the distributor. Its okay if your spares are
from the wrong distributor, simply put them in any old way and they will
work fine. A toenail clipper makes an excellent points file. Put everything
back any old way. Don't bother setting the point gap, it doesn't matter
because it's not going to start anyway. Do try to set the timing though.

8. Check the spark plugs. If they have a nice black sooty coating on them,
be sure to brush them real good with an oily toothbrush. This will help
preserve the sooty coating. Replace the spark plugs.

9. Remove and reinstall the air filter several times. This is guaranteed to
attract people who need help changing a tire on their new stolen car because
they can't get into the trunk. This will make you glad that you have a junky
old Land-Rover that no one in their right mind would want to steal.

10. When your Rover finally starts going again, pay no mind to the fact that
it won't exceed 20 mph. These things are notoriously slow vehicles. When
you finally get home, you can, in the safety and comfort of your own
driveway, reconnect the vacuum advance and bend the accelarator linkage back
to it's normal position. This will allow you to drive the Rover at a
normal speed to the local Sushi joint and ponder quietly to yourself on the
fact that it now starts easier, and runs better and faster than it has since
you've owned it.

Thanks to Will Hadley for holding the flashlight and sticking around while I
tested these theories.

Cheers.
Dave"Brrrrrrr"Bobeck
72 SerIII "Green Car"

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 09:07:44 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Buying a Land-rover

I have to chuckle at these peolpe who think they can buy a Series 
rover with a rust free frame and everything working for under 
$2000.00. I hate to inform these newbies that it is never going to 
happen unless you find some widow in the northern woods who doesn't 
know what her husband had for  a vehicle.

If you don't want to work on these machines then by all means go 
through a garage or buy a completely rebuilt vehicle but be prepared 
to spend $7,000-$10,000. That is just the way the market works, 
supply and demand.

Guy Arnold
1973 Series III swb
1960 MGA 1600 roadster 

          Guy is right.

          We all should expect, and I did, that for
          every problem you find when you look at a truck,
          there is one or more hidden problem. It turned out
          that mine and others had more serious hidden
          problems, but c'est la Rovers. My vehicle would
          have cost a bundle more had it been rust free. I
          still think I got a good deal. As far as frame
          rust goes, I think a lot of them could be
          repaired, after all they aren't made of gold, just
          regular old steel. Mine could be repaired, but I
          CHOSE to do a frame-over. I dread the day I
          actually begin the job but I'm sure it won't
          really be a big deal. There's nothing wrong with
          buying a decrepit truck, and also I think the
          guys up North have a more realistic idea of what a
          crappy truck really is. My frame has holes in it,
          but I've heard of frames that literally break in
          half on the road. Also having seen Mike Loiodice's
          (sorry if I speeled it wrong, mate) "Fern Rover",
          I know just how ugly a frame can get. And that
          wasn't even the worst, I'm sure...
          Regards
          Dave

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Date: 11 Dec 95 09:31:48 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Major Domo barfs again!!!!!!!

     The 12/10/95 ( for you folks back in blighty 10/12/95) list stalled 
     out after the first half of the first out of 19 messages. 
     
     If anyone received a complete list, please forward it to me. Thanks 
     
     btw, checked out a lonely 90sw coniston green at lrmw early sunday 
     morning. no sold sticker on it, just lots of ice. I love it but wife 
     wants a rangie as the disco will not fit into her office's garage.
     
     Regards
     Chris Browne
     Brit in Boston
     95 Discovery (11470 miles really cold today you should have heard the 
     steering wheel squeak!) 
     chris_browne@us014-minet-boston.ccmail.compuserve.com

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 06:51:00 -0800
From: "John C. White, III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: (ALERT) INTERNET DAY OF PROTEST TUESDAY DECEMBER 12, 1995

This was truncated by Herr Majordomo last time.  As I said last time, this
is not directly related to Land Rovers (Sorry.) but does effect the Internet.

My apologies for boring the non-US readers with this, but there's no other
way to reach only Americans without sending this out to everyone.

Cheers!
John

Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 00:33:33 -0500 (EST)
From: "Shabbir J. Safdar" <shabbir@VTW.ORG>
Subject:  (ALERT) INTERNET DAY OF PROTEST TUESDAY DECEMBER 12, 1995

========================================================================
     CAMPAIGN TO STOP THE NET CENSORSHIP LEGISLATION IN CONGRESS

    On Tuesday December 12, 1995, Join With Hundreds of Thousands
                  Of Your Fellow Internet Users In

                  A NATIONAL INTERNET DAY OF PROTEST

      PLEASE WIDELY REDISTRIBUTE THIS DOCUMENT WITH THIS BANNER INTACT
                REDISTRIBUTE ONLY UNTIL December 20, 1995
________________________________________________________________________
CONTENTS
        Internet Day of Protest: Tuesday December 12, 1995
        What You Must Do On Tuesday December 12, 1995
        List of Participating Organizations
	Where Can I Learn More?

________________________________________________________________________
INTERNET DAY OF PROTEST:  TUESDAY DECEMBER 12, 1995

Outrageous proposals to censor the Internet demand that the Internet
Community take swift and immediate action. We must stand up and let
Congress know that we will not tolerate their attempts to destroy this
medium! Please join hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens in a
National Day of Protest on Tuesday December 12, 1995.

As you know, on Wednesday December 6, 1995, the House Conference
Committee on Telecommunications Reform voted to impose far reaching and
unconstitutional "indecency" restrictions on the Internet and other
interactive media, including large commercial online services (such as
America Online, Compuserve, and Prodigy) and smaller Internet Service
Providers such as Panix, the Well, Echo, and Mindvox.

These restrictions threaten the very existence of the Internet and
interactive media as a viable medium for free expression, education,
commerce.  If enacted, the Internet as we know it will never be the
same.

Libraries will not be able to put any books online that might
offend a child somewhere.  No "Catcher in the Rye" or "Ulysses" on the net.
Internet Service Providers could face criminal penalties for allowing
children to subscribe to their Internet Services, forcing many  small
companies to simply refuse to sell their services to anyone under 18. Worst
of all, everything you say and publish on the net will have to be "dumbed
down" to that which is acceptable to a child.

As Internet users, we simply must not allow this assault against the
Internet and our most basic freedoms to go unchallenged.

On Tuesday December 12, the organizations below are urging you to
join us in a NATIONAL DAY OF PROTEST. The goal is to flood key members of
the House and Senate with phone calls, faxes and email with the message
that the Internet community WILL NOT TOLERATE Congressional attempts to
destroy the Internet, limit our freedoms and trample on our rights.

Below are the phone, fax, and email address of several key members of
Congress on this issue and instructions on what you can do to join the
National Day of Protest to save the Net.

______________________________________________________________________
WHAT YOU MUST DO ON TUESDAY DECEMBER 12, 1995

1. Throughout the day Tuesday December 12, please contact as many
   members of Congress on the list below as you can. If you are only
   able to make one call, contact House Speaker Newt Gingrich. Finally,
   if the Senator or Representative from your state is on the list
   below, be sure to contact him or her also.

2. Urge each Member of Congress to "stop the madness".  Tell them that
   they are about to pass legislation that will destroy the Internet as
   an educational and commercial medium.  If you are at a loss for
   words, try the following sample communique:

   Sample phone call:

        Both the House and Senate bills designed to protect children
        from objectionable material on the Internet will actually
        destroy the Internet as an medium for education, commerce, and
        political discourse. There are other, less restrictive ways to
        address this issue.

        I urge you to oppose both measures being proposed in the
        conference committee.  This is an important election issue to
        me.

   Sample letter (fax or email):

        The Senate conferees are considering ways to protect children
        from inappropriate material on the Internet.  A vote for either
        the House or Senate proposals will result in the destruction of
        the Internet as a viable medium for free expression, education,
        commerce.  Libraries will not be able to put their entire book
        collections online.  Everyday people like me will risk massive
        fines and prison sentences for public discussions someone s
        somewhere might consider "indecent".

        There are other, less restrictive ways to protect children from
        objectionable material online. This is an important election
        issue to me.

3. If you're in San Francisco, or near enough to get there, go to 
   the Rally Against Censorship from Ground Zero of the Digital Revolution:

   WHEN: Monday, December 11, 1995  12:00 - 1:00 PM
   WHERE: South Park (between 2nd and 3rd, Bryant and Brannon) San Francisco.
   SPEAKERS: To be announced
   BRING: Attention-grabbing posters, signs, and banners that demonstrate
	your committment to free speech and expression, and your feelings
	about Congress.
   FOR UPDATED INFORMATION (including rain info):
	http://www.hotwired.com/staff/digaman/

### THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT ###

4. Mail a note to protest@vtw.org to let us know you did your part.
   Although you will not receive a reply due to the number of
   anticipated responses, we'll be counting up the number of people that
   participated in the day of protest.

      P ST Name and Address           Phone           Fax
      = == ========================   ==============  ==============
      R AK Stevens, Ted               1-202-224-3004  1-202-224-1044
      R AZ McCain, John               1-202-224-2235  1-602-952-8702
        senator_mccain@mccain.senate.gov
      D HI Inouye, Daniel K.          1-202-224-3934  1-202-224-6747
      R KS Dole, Robert               1-202-224-6521  1-202-228-1245
      D KY Ford, Wendell H.           1-202-224-4343  1-202-224-0046
        wendell_ford@ford.senate.gov
      R MS Lott, Trent                1-202-224-6253  1-202-224-2262
      R MT Burns, Conrad R.           1-202-224-2644  1-202-224-8594
        conrad_burns@burns.senate.gov
      D NE Exon, J. J.                1-202-224-4224  1-202-224-5213
      D SC Hollings, Ernest F.        1-202-224-6121  1-202-224-4293
        senator@hollings.senate.gov
      R SD Pressler, Larry            1-202-224-5842  1-202-224-1259
        larry_pressler@pressler.senate.gov
      R WA Gorton, Slade              1-202-224-3441  1-202-224-9393
        senator_gorton@gorton.senate.gov
      D WV Rockefeller, John D.       1-202-224-6472  n.a.
        senator@rockefeller.senate.gov

   Dist ST Name, Address, and Party     Phone            Fax
   ==== == ========================     ==============  ==============
      6 GA Gingrich, Newt (R)           1-202-225-4501   1-202-225-4656
             2428 RHOB                      georgia6@hr.house.gov
     14 MI Conyers Jr., John (D)        1-202-225-5126   1-202-225-0072
             2426 RHOB                      jconyers@hr.house.gov
      1 CO Schroeder, Patricia (D)      1-202-225-4431   1-202-225-5842
             2307 RHOB
     18 TX Jackson-Lee, Sheila (D)      1-202-225-3816	 1-202-225-3317
             1520 LHOB
      6 TN Gordon, Bart (D)             1-202-225-4231   1-202-225-6887
             2201 RHOB

4. Forward this alert to all of your wired friends.

________________________________________________________________________
WHERE CAN I LEARN MORE?

At this moment, there are several organizations with WWW sites that now
have, or will have, information about the net censorship legislation and
the National Day Of Protest:

American Civil Liberties Union (ftp://ftp.aclu.org/aclu/)
Center for Democracy and Technology (http://www.cdt.org/)
Electronic Frontier Foundation (http://www.eff.org/)
Electronic Privacy Information Center (http://www.epic.org/)
Wired Magazine (http://www.hotwired.com/special/indecent/)
Voters Telecommunications Watch (http://www.vtw.org/)

________________________________________________________________________
LIST OF PARTICIPATING ORGANIZATIONS

In order to use the net more effectively, several organizations have
joined forces on a single Congressional net campaign to stop the
Communications Decency Act.

American Civil Liberties Union * American Communication Association *
American Council for the Arts * Arts & Technology Society * Association
of Alternative Newsweeklies * biancaTroll productions * Boston
Coalition for Freedom of Expression * Californians Against Censorship
Together * Center For Democracy And Technology * Centre for Democratic
Communications * Center for Public Representation * Citizen's Voice -
New Zealand * Cloud 9 Internet *Computer Communicators Association *
Computel Network Services * Computer Professionals for Social
Responsibility * Cross Connection * Cyber-Rights Campaign * CyberQueer
Lounge * Dorsai Embassy * Dutch Digital Citizens' Movement * ECHO
Communications Group, Inc. * Electronic Frontier Canada * Electronic
Frontier Foundation * Electronic Frontier Foundation - Austin *
Electronic Frontiers Australia * Electronic Frontiers Houston *
Electronic Frontiers New Hampshire * Electronic Privacy Information
Center * Feminists For Free Expression * First Amendment Teach-In *
Florida Coalition Against Censorship * FranceCom, Inc. Web Advertising
Services * Friendly Anti-Censorship Taskforce for Students * Hands
Off!  The Net * Inland Book Company * Inner Circle Technologies, Inc. *
Inst. for Global Communications * Internet On-Ramp, Inc. * Internet
Users Consortium * Joint Artists' and Music Promotions Political Action
Committee * The Libertarian Party * Marijuana Policy Project *
Metropolitan Data Networks Ltd. * MindVox * MN Grassroots Party *
National Bicycle Greenway * National Campaign for Freedom of Expression
* National Coalition Against Censorship * National Gay and Lesbian Task
Force * National Public Telecomputing Network * National Writers Union
* Oregon Coast RISC * Panix Public Access Internet * People for the
American Way * Republican Liberty Caucus * Rock Out Censorship *
Society for Electronic Access * The Thing International BBS Network *
The WELL * Voters Telecommunications Watch

(Note: All 'Electronic Frontier' organizations are independent entities,
 not EFF chapters or divisions.)

________________________________________________________________________
        End Alert
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From: "Oscar Beasley" <beasleyo@milo.cfw.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:07:13 +0000
Subject: 1972 SIII S/W for sale

Just in time for Christmas and after all the excellent advice on 
buying *long distance*, I am offering my SIII for sale.

This vehicle was originally sold through a local dealer here in the
Shenandoah Valley in Virginia.  It was the owner's personal vehicle
until he went to a nursing home.  It then sat in his barn for many
years, suffering through a major flood that filled it up to the
frame with water and mud.  When re-discovered, the frame had been
mostly destroyed.  I bought the vehicle from the second owner who
had applied various SPOT tricks, etc.

Bottom line, the vehicle was completely disassembled.  I started
w/new galvanized frame (from RN), rebuilt engine (now w/14,500
miles), rebuilt transmission (from Mike Hoskins), galvanized
footwells, new gas tank, all new brake lines, most instruments, new
heater box/lower dash, new springs, shocks, swivel balls, new wheel
bearings, brakes, tie rod ends, bump stops, engine mounts, and on
and on.

It is easier to say what was not replaced: the hardtop, the exterior 
body, both axles and the top dash, firewall, rear safari door and 
rear seats.  It needs to be painted and a couple of wrinkles ironed 
out on the front wings.  The headliner has about a two-inch *L* tear, 
the driver's seat is in need of recovering, the rear seats have a few 
nicks (replacements are still in plastic), and it needs carpeting 
and/or mats.  (I left the two bullet holes in the body and driver's 
seat because it makes great conversation!  No, not a jealous husband!)

I have installed a new overdrive (from Atlantic Brit.), and have a
brand-new, *still on the pallet* high speed transfer case (from Mike
Hoskins), spare diff., spare bearings, seals, gaskets, brakes,
shocks, springs, and various pieces, parts and chunks.

The truck is a daily runner, 60+ miles round-trip.  Graduate school 
is forcing me to sell it.  I can't spend the time to keep it properly 
maintained, not to mention that I am doing this out of my savings and 
have two semesters to finish.  Anyway, *The Rogue* needs a good home 
and someone to finish the project.  Call Lanny at RN and he can 
verify that all parts ordered are Genuine LR, and that I have spent 
over $10K on parts with them, alone.  Atlantic British can verify the 
couple of thou they have received from me, and Mike Hoskins can 
verify the couple of grand he has received.  I won't tell you how 
much I paid the SPOT, but whoever buys this truck will see it on the 
title.

All fluids are synthetic from rebuild or new except steering relay 
and steering box (plain old 90wt there). Five 16" rims w/new BF Goodrich 
made 235R 16 radials, and six 15" rims w/four like-new Toyo radials 
and two good radial spares.  Talk to anyone from Blue Ridge Land 
Rover Club (http://www.cemr.wvu.edu/~wwwatf/brlrc/brlrc.htm) about 
the vehicle, it runs well and is SOLID.  It just needs some cosmetics 
and touching-up.  Since I use it off-road, I didn't want to paint it 
and then see it get scratched (scarved ;-}) on the trail.

I live in Staunton, Virginia where I-81 and I-64 (west from Richmond) 
join.  540-885-2949 gets my voice mail (only a 45 second message), or 
a FAX.  I will try to get some photos scanned to send by FAX or by 
email for those in a hurry, and some good color shots for more 
leisurely, but serious, parties. (I'm in exams this week and won't be 
around during the daytime until Friday 12/15/95.)

$12,500 - as is with all misc. parts, transfer case, etc.  Offers 
below that figure will be considered, however, lower offers will not 
include parts.

Thanks for the bandwidth, and have a Happy Holiday.

Bo Beasley
beasleyo@milo.cfw.com (Oscar Beasley)
540-885-2949 Voice Mail & FAX (Home)
beasleoh@vax.acs.jmu.edu (Grad School)

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Date: 11 Dec 95 10:16:40 EST
From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com>
Subject: Able Mechanic

I am in need of a mechanic to do do minor repairs eg tune up's ,oil changes etc
on my Series Rover's:1966 109 NADA wagon,1962 88" 3 door Ser 111,and a 1966 Ser
11A pick up truck, that works in the Central FL area. Please any suggestions??
Benjamin G. Newman
Orlando Fl

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Subject: It's here. Wanted: Monster Rivit tool ? 4sale: Trans. Brake Shoes ?
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:09:37 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Hi All !

Well, after the removers left most of my stuff at the loft, (and most of the
spare L-R parts (tail gate, bottom & top!; windscreen surround, left hand
side for a safari wagon top, replacement brake & clutch parts, etc. etc.)
[so am I the only LRO with L-R body parts under my bed ?],

Saturday my task was to go up to the warehouse in Wakefield and pick up
the SIIa then bring it up to my friend's in Tyngsboro, 'til I find shelter
for the spare engine, diff and front axle case w/diff.

So, of course, it had to be a good winter storm. And the right hand side
of the Safari top was packed into the passenger's seat, so the ankle burner
was entirely blocked off.  After putting the doors back on (less a brass ball)
I was off into the snow.  With the spare engine, diffs, axle case, and five
109" rims in the rear, there was *lots* of traction, and it wasn't until I got
up off the main road in Tyngsboro that I actually engaged 4wd.  

My legs were pretty cold from the draft, but I made it up to Tyngsboro and
even passwd a bunch of sheep, err traffic, on route 3 who were queued up 
behind a lorry. Not often the top speed of a heavily laden L-R is above
the rest of the traffic on the motorway :-)

After a few more hours of snow we piled into my friends Ford F-350 pick-up
and went back down to Wakefield, where it was pouring rain, and I retrieved
my vehicle from the lot and we were off.

Now I've just got to wait for it to get above freezing to rinse the salt
off and unfreeze the tail gate glass latch on the RR.

Anybody stateside looking for transmission brake shoes ?  They sent me two
sets, and I don't think I'll need the second set for quite a while, so it
is available.

Also, anyone in Mass. or nearby have a high-leverage rivit tool ? (You know
the ones that look like bolt-cutters (not the plier type).  The rivits for
the station wagon top are huge, and I really need to get it on the vehicle
'cause there is not visibility to the left with the blind side top and RHD.) 
I'll also take suggestions on where to rent one.

    Cheers,
	--bill	caloccia@OpenMarket.com		http://www.senie.com/billc/

						L  P
   R  1  3  2wd  H        1  3 R  dl OD  L	|  R     
   +--|--|   o   |        |--|-+  o  |   |      H  N
      2  4  4wd  L        2  4    ul N   H         D
						   L
   '63 SIIa 88"		    '72 RR		'90 RR County
      793-PTA		   DAJ-802-L

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:47:00 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: clock in D90

Dear Alan,
Thank-you for your message.
I took the clock out yesterday and looked at it with a dissecting 
microscope. It is an interesting combination some type of computer "chip" 
but also a little motor and a series of gears (all of which seem to be 
made of nylon and/or plastic). One interesting wheel appeared to have a 
"rubber" ring on its perimeter and was surrounded by 4 close flat wire 
"contacts" (?). (I wonder if the ring is magnetized and receives or 
feeds back signal to the contacts to control speed...)

Although the assembly looked dry to the naked eye, under the scope, the 
gears were almost DRIPPING with lubricant. I cleaned off a few tiny 
pieces of plastic or nylon that looked like milling remnants. I didn't 
have a good way to get rid of what appears to be excessive oil.

The gear with the rubber ring wobbles a lot. The rubber ring was uneven 
with respect to gear that it was applied to, so I straighted that. 

In sum: not much in the way of "user serviceable" parts inside. The fact 
that the assembly looks so wet is further evidence for your idea about 
congealed lubricant to explain the recent slowing.

I put the clock back in, and since our cold spell is over for now, I 
expect that it will run OK for now.

Best wishes, 
David

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From: joes@daka.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Buying a Land-rover
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 18:09:31 -0800 (PST)

Guy,
Please send a name(s), addresses or ph#'s of a garage(s) 
where you can get a <completely rebuilt LR for 
$7000-$10000>. I'm serious, here in the Pacific NW a clean 
and not restored LR runs more than that. A totally rebuilt 
one goes for (asking price) $12,000-$25,000 from a garage. 
Here most LR's aren't driven they're "owned".
Thanks,
-Joe

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Subject: Digest Problems 
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:33:31 -0500
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@OpenMarket.com>

Hi,

	Well odds are the digester got indigestion, and hurled the other
19 messages (most likely due to some input that it didn't like), as I've
no longer access to the system which Major D is running on, I am unable
to go back and take a look at the historical input to check up on it.

	If one of the real-time or real-time bulliten board people still
has a copy of the following two messages and could forward them to me, 
I *might* be able to figure out the error, but I can't correct it until
Major D is re-assigned.

  1 johnliu@earthlink.net Sat Dec  9 02:52   38/4263  Buying Long Distance
  2 JRBIRD@aol.com     Sat Dec  9 04:12   14/797   subscribe

	Cheers,
	-B

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 08:03:12 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles (fwd)

LROs All,

I found the last magazine subsription scam message annoying enough to try
tracking down their source.  I got far enough (not far at all) to contact
the Massey University computer folks and ask them about a possible
breach of security.  This is their response (below).  For what it's worth,
the last scam message did not include an email address for a response, so
they must be getting a ration in response to these broadcasts. If we get
another one, the last response address they gave was krazykev@kjl.com, and
I'd suggest a massive onslaught in response.  Multiple copies of the 
larger digests ought to get the message across.

Walt Swain

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:29:41 +1200
From: Help.Desk@massey.ac.nz
Subject: Re: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular USA Titles (fwd)

> You recently informed us of an unsolicited advertisement which
appears to have come from Massey University.  This was actually
sent from another site by someone who forged the address to make
it look as though it came from this site.  This person or persons
are well known for such doings and the forged sites change all
the time.  We apologize for any inconvenience, but it is beyond
our control to stop this from happening.

Thank you.

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From: RMJameson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:45:04 -0500
Subject: Air Pumps for Discovery

It can't be that there are no Discoverys out there with air systems, can it?
 If you responded, sorry I missed it.   I would like to find experiences with
on board air systems for a '94 Discovery.  Is it a really dumb idea?  Does
anyone have suggestions, air or driven?  Are they make to fit Discoverys?
 Will they void the LR warranty?  Anyone have experience with a particular
brand?  Any guesses as to the cost?  etc. Thanks.   

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:01:45 -0500
Subject: FAQ

Is there a FAQ or set of guidelines on importing older Land Rovers from the
UK?  
All assistance is appreciated!
Thanks..
Gerry E.
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:18:04 -0800
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: magazine subscription spam

Walter C. Swain wrote:
 
> I found the last magazine subsription scam message annoying enough to try
> tracking down their source.

There's an interesting document on the Web - the Blacklist of Internet Advertisers, on which this 
spam appears. The List is at http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/BL/blacklist.html 
or http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~cbrown/BL/. For the story of the magazine spam, see 
http://www.cco.caltech.edu/~cbrown/BL/kl_info.txt.

-- 

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 Beluga Black Discovery

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 13:27:23 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Used RR

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Used RR
John, I didn't get your last e-mail... only one line, saying that you're
thinking about getting a used RR yourself. I assumed there's more that I
didn't get?? Questions? Comments?

Looking back, I probably would still have gotten the one I did... Just from
the overall condition of the RR I suspected that it was NOT well maintained
mechanically. (Nor cosmetically!) But for the price... I still think it was
a fair deal.

Tips: Look at MANY RR's to get a feel for what's out there, condition,
problems, etc. Ask "What problems have you had with it?" and "Is there
anything AT ALL wrong with it?" (This will eat at their conscience if there
is... provided it's not a car dealer, whom, as we all know, have no
conscience.) Make a full sharp turn in both left and right, high and low
range, and listen for any clunking, jerking, etc. while some throttle is
applied. Test out the low range, and locking (about all you can do without
really getting into it is to see if the light turns on when locked) Look
into the oil fill opening. Neglected engine will be dirty and crusted with
scum. (Not sure if a well maintained engine will have this since I have no
experience there :-( but I don't think it would. Any unusual engine noises
will SURELY be EXPENSIVE to fix. Don't assume it's a simple fix unless you
KNOW for sure what it is. (Don't take their word for it, if it was an easy
or inexpensive fix, then why didn't they fix it??) Assume the worst, then
you won't be disappointed. I've also heard the P.S. boxes can leak
profusely, and are quite expensive. Ask to see maintenance records if they
have them. LOOK at them to see oil change frequency, any other problems...
They gave me the name of their mechanic, whom I called and found out more
things that have been replaced, but couldn't comment on oil changes. (not
done by him... maybe just not done!) Look for un-matched paint color OR
finish. Mine had obviously been in an accident, they admitted to it, due to
the dull finish on parts, shinier on other parts. Check for leaks, (keep in
mind, it IS a LR ;-) ) Pointing out leaks and flaws may help the price
negotiating. Keep in mind what is cosmetic, or easily fixed by yourself, and
what is not. Keep in mind... it is a vehicle, not that unlike a Chevy or Ford
(yuck!) aka no fear in doing minor repairs yourself. (with the proper
knowledge and tools)

Good luck, feel free to write back if you have any more or specific
questions. I WILL reply, so if no response, I probably didn't get your
message. Try again.

Thanks, and good luck... Dave (smarter now, but poorer) Brown.

#=======#          ________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___     /__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}   \_/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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Subject: Re: How many are left ?? 
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:08:53 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <Pine.3.89.9512082248.D20477-0100000@emr1.emr.ca>you wrote:

> > 	If only I could grep through the various DMV databases for the 50
> > states on the word Rover....
> 	The problem with this type of number playing is many...

	I know the problems, but it puts a better baseline to extrapolate
from than pulling a number out of the middle of nowwhere.

> 	Rover North America says X Land Rovers were imported and sold.
> 	Fine, but....   This number does not include those imported directly
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> 	been here...  The 16k figure was arrived at in an unscientific
> 	way...

	Unscientific?  It was using the availible numbers.  I've heard 16k
mentioned many times.  Then I actually looked at the data that James Taylor
put together.  And 16k meets the that criteria.  Argueably that only covers
the Rovers imported by LR directly.  How many LRs would have been brought in
by the Canadian Gov't?  4k?  I still think that the numbers are closer to 
16k (or even 20k) than 50k.

Ben

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:22:36 -0800
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: creaky Discovery rear door - the cure

On the fourth go, someone at Symes LR not only heard the really loud 
creaking noise but also got rid of it. The solution? Lubricating the rear 
door hinges and tightening their bolts. That was all, after four visits 
and several hundred miles of driving back and forth to Pasadena. Bravo 
for Tom, the new LR Service Manager. If it weren't for him, I might have 
continued my slide into madness brought on by that noise. Now I can 
concentrate on taking on the snow that's supposed to be here within a day 
or two.

-- 

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 Beluga Black Discovery

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:33:41 -0700 (MST)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: Subject: Re: Buying a Land-rover

>I have to chuckle at these peolpe who think they can buy a Series 
>rover with a rust free frame and everything working for under 
>$2000.00. I hate to inform these newbies that it is never going to 
>happen unless you find some widow in the northern woods who doesn't 
>know what her husband had for  a vehicle.

I disagree. I bought my 1963 SIIa SWB S/W for $1200CDN. It has a great 
frame, a solid engine and tons of spare parts. The main problems were 
missing front seats and really bad brakes. I purchased a set of used 
seats for $60, and put another $125 into the brakes and seals. You just 
have to watch and wait for the deals to come along. My Rover is far from 
new shape, but I can't remember any trees complaining after being 
massaged by it's dented/multi-coloured body (damn tree should have moved, 
anyways!).

Rob

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Date: 11 Dec 95 16:41:28 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Frozen ground - treacherous

My friend Gunter's not in the best of moods these days because on the
weekend, when offroading at our favourite venue (US firing range - big
holes!) he managed to throw a spanking new Disco on its side. The damage
is extensive and the slippage happened in the first place because the
ground/mud was *frozen*, hard as concrete. He tried to negotiate a declining
rutted passage by balancing the vehicle on top of the mounds (the ruts
were too deep to drive in them), and though the Disco was equipped with
Mud-Terrains, the profile had nothing to grip as it just didn't sink into
the frozen ground. The vehicle went into a slow, uncontrollable slide, fell
into the righthand rut, and over it went, sliding on its right side to a
painful halt to the sound of shattering glass and screeching aluminum.
Recovery was relatively easy, again due to the hard ground, and naturally
the car was still fully functional - Gunter's still driving around in it,
with plastic foil in the windows... (Just FYI, the air bags *didn't* deploy).
The lesson from this would be that even the most aggressive of tires are
useless if the mud is frozen solid, and that you should, if at all possible,
avoid even modest descents on frozen ground. I would actually advise a
kind of 'reverse recovery': Secure the vehicle with the winch and/or ropes
and carefully let it down until you reach level ground again. Once you
start slipping you're definitely bound for trouble...

Treading *very* lightly on frozen land,

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:53:19 -0500
From: benedick@emh1.pa.net (KRIS/DARWYN BENEDICT)
Subject: Follow up calls after service

Hi All:

I have received follow-up phone calls from the folks at LRNA each time my
Disco. was in for service at our dealer, except the last time.  I was
wondering if they always do this or just some of the time.

Kris- 94 White Disco.- Thumper

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:35:07 -0800
From: Christopher Boese <cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Follow up calls after service

KRIS/DARWYN BENEDICT wrote:

> I have received follow-up phone calls from the folks at LRNA each time my
> Disco. was in for service at our dealer, except the last time.  I was
> wondering if they always do this or just some of the time.

They've never called me, and I've been back four or five times in the last two months (creaky 
rear door, inoperable fuel pump, detached CD player cover, defective passenger door check 
strap.) It's just as well; I might have sounded grumpy.

Still, the techs at the dealer have actually been very thorough and done good work. They just 
need time.

-- 

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 Beluga Black Discovery

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:42:21 -0500 (EST)
From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: stuff

Well, to answer part of yesterday's trivia, here are 13 things that 
differentiate a base '95 NAS 90 from a MY94...
1.Front bumper no longer integrates turn signals - moved up to wing w/ 
larger oval amber lense (reminiscent of military typr only bigger).
2. Doors stay open when put into "lock" position.
3. Rear door actually comes with an exterior lock (duh!)
4. Door tops and fast back top included in base price.
5. BFG A/Ts standard - M/Ts become optional.
6. Riv nuts for fiberglass hardtop preinstalled and colorcoated.
7. Beefier stereo and rear speakers.
8. Front doors have map pockets integrated - (in LRNA lit. the rear gate 
has a pocket too, but I've never seen a '95 with it actually in place.)
9. Pockets behind front seats - plastic protective pieces applied to 
prevent seats from tearing due to rubbing against x-bar of cage.
10. Rear turn signals round instead of square.
11. Arles blue no longer available on softtop model - "limited" black 
becomes color choice (sans leather seats)
12. R380 'box replaces LT85. Lighter action clutch installed.
13. Base of angle portion of roll cage slightly different...

I'm not going to answer the second trivia question until tomorrow in the 
hope that someone gets at least one correct...

Today I have 2 trivia questions:
1. We all know early 80" LRs had green chassis, but what color were the 
chassis of early 107"s?
2. What was unique (and unfortunately an abandoned quality) about the 
tailgate lid of series 1 hardtops?

Frank Twarog
Burlington, VT

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 19:47:43 -0500 (EST)
From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: 90s

A full 2 weeks after LRMW received 7 90 hardtops, the Automaster is still 
without even 1! (I completed one article for the RN newsletter and was 
asked to do a write-up on the 90SW - yet they don't have any to examine 
yet).  Anyway, if you have the chance, would you send me a couple of 
brosures (sp?) on the 90 SW - I am assuming that they produced one like 
the pamphlet on the 110, but maybe not.  In any case, if you get the 
chance... Thanx...
Frank Twarog
11 Pine St
Burlington, VT 05401

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Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:00:04 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: Lightweight Rovers

Dear All,
        We are going to be restoring a SIIA Lightweight for a client later
this winter. Can anyone direct me to the proper source to trace back the
VIN on a particular lightweight, Lightweight Club Members in UK on this
list, etc. I need to find out what the vehicle was used for, via its
numbers to give it the proper paint scheme, etc. from its original use in
the military.
        I have the numbers to the UK clubs, but if any of those
knowledgeable members are on line, please let me know.
        Thanks very much in advance for your help.

Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.

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Date: 11 Dec 95 22:00:11 EST
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: HYDRAULIC WINCHES

Anybody out there have any experience with the MILE MARKER brand of hydraulic
winches? They operate off the power steering pump. I remember seeing an add for
them in a 4 wheel magazine, but I lost it and can't find the number anywhere.
The old Brano winch is great but on those long unclimbable hills it does get
tiring!

								Mark Ritter
								94 Disco w/
								Steel wheels,
								mud tires and 
								rear locker. 
								Still waiting 
								for the Rock
								Sliders!

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Subject: Land Rover Toy News
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 19:47:05 -0500

I picked the latest addition to my toy collection the other day.

It is number 1914 from Solido. It is a 1/43 scale series 3 109 station 
wagon, left hand drive in white. It comes with about 18 decals that you 
put on yourself. A caution here, trim your decals carefully and close and 
use warm water to soak them in, and slide on with a small fine paint 
brush.

This vehcile has bee offered before in differeent guises and at $15 CDN 
at the store it was good value for money.

Have fun, 

Robin

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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