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1 janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Sc27Re: Elec. Fans
2 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000427Re: Range Rover front propshaft
3 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em202Re: Colored Wire
4 "Soren Vels Christensen"35RE: Manifold Bolts/Studs 2.25 l - Info?
5 Johnny Hansen [Johnny_Ha15Hello
6 Roy_H._Caldwell@desktop.23London Visit
7 OscarM [omont@mnl.sequel23RR aftermarket spoiler and air vent cover
8 "John Y. Liu" [johnliu@e11Inertial Reel Seat Belts
9 twei@mail.eye.utmem.edu 50LR D110 + other comments
10 "John Y. Liu" [johnliu@e22How Are RR's Like To Work On?
11 "John Y. Liu" [johnliu@e24Series I For Sale
12 FHYap@aol.com 11LRNA Marketing


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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:43:41 +0100
From: janjan@xs4all.nl (Jan Schokker)
Subject: Re: Elec. Fans

Thanks for your answers, everyone,

I wrote:
>> has an enourmous oil-cooler in front of the radiator.

Then Stefan answered:
>In that case you would obviously need one mounted behind the rad. On the
>other hand I wouldn't remove the propeller from a military model with
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>on how close the propeller is running to the radiator, there might not be
>much room left for an additional electric fan.

But:
My fan has four small blades, and is only abt. 36 cm in diameter. 
Does this make it a non-military model? If so, how big is a military fan?
If I would remove the fan, there is 7 cm clearance between the fanpulley and the
radiator. That should be enough for an electric fan, right?

Thanks,
Jan S. (Not Jan B.)
janjan@xs4all.nl
Amsterdam, the Netherlands

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Date: 25 Nov 95 11:25:12 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Range Rover front propshaft

> yokes on my shaft don't line up - is this normal ? Every other Cardan
> shaft I've ever seen keeps the spiders in alignment.

And so they should be. Obviously the sliding joint has been apart, to
say the least. But then you go on saying...

> When I compare the alignment marks (stamped arrows), the two halves
> appear to be aligned correctly. This is what makes me suspect I have
> two halves of different shafts.

I'm afraid your suspicion is probably right.
As for vibrations, if the vibes are up front and go into the front diff,
you most likely wouldn't feel them as you have the entire suspension +
shocks between you and the axle. The destruction would be 'silent'.
You might feel the steering wheel 'buzzing' a bit at high speeds. If
the vibes are at the transfer case side of things, again you wouldn't
feel much as the massive T-case rubber mounts would swallow most; but
there should be a noticeable vibration of the diff lock lever in that
case.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 14:18:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Colored Wire

On 24 Nov 1995, Robert Dennis wrote:

>  This reminded me, does anyone know of a source for multicolored wire? I know
> lots of sources for single color wire, but none that has a colored tracer.
> Preferably in the US.

	There is a place at the bbottom of this, but you might as well have
	the whole mess...

	Rgds,

	Dixon

	MAIN TRACER PURPOSE Black All earth connections 
	Black Brown  	Tachometer generator to tachometer 
	Black Blue   	Tachometer generator to tachometer
 	Black Red    	Electric or electronic speedometer to sensor 
	Black Purple 	Tempreature switch to warning light 
	Black Green  	Relay to radiator fan motor 
	Black Light green Vacuum brake switch or brake differential
		          pressure valve to warning light and/or buzzer 
	Black White  	Brake fluid level warning light to switch and 
		     	handbrake swith, or radio to speakers 
	Black yellow 	Electric speedometer 
	Black Orange 	Radiator fan motor to thermal switch 

	MAIN TRACER PURPOSE Blue Lighting switch (head) to dip switch 
	Blue Brown 	 Headlamp relay to headlamp fuse 
	Blue Red 	 Dip switch to headlamp dip beam fuse Fuse to
			 right-hand dip headlamp 
	Blue Light green Headlamp wiper motor to headlamp wash pump motor 
	Blue White 	 a) Dip switch to headlamp main beam fuse 
		         b) Headlamp flasher to main beam fuse 
		         c) Dip switch main beam warning light     
		         d) Dip switch to long-range driving light switch 
	Blue Yellow 	 Long-range driving light switch to lamp 
	Blue Black 	 Fuse to right-hand main headlamp 
	Blue Pink 	 Fuse to left-hand dip headlamp 
	Blue Slate 	 Headlamp main beam fuse to left-hand headlamp 
			 or inboard headlamps when independently fused 
	Blue Orange 	 Fuse to right-hand dip headlamp 

	MAIN TRACER PURPOSE Brown Main battery lead
 	Brown Blue 	Control box (compensated voltage control only) to 
			ignition switch and lighting switch (feed) 
	Brown Red 	Compression ignition starting aid to switch Main 
			battery feed to double pole ignition switch 
	Brown Purple 	Alternator regulator feed 
	Brown Green 	Dynamo 'F' to controlboxl 
                     	'F' Alternator field 'F' to control box 'F' 
	Brown White 	Ammeter to control box Ammeter to main alternator 
			terminal 
	Brown Yellow 	Alternator to 'no charge' warning light 
	Brown Black 	Alternator battery sensing lead 
	Brown Slate 	Starter relay contact to starter solenoid 
	Brown Orange 	Fuel shut-off (diesel stop) 

	MAIN TRACER PURPOSE Green Accessories fuesed via ignition switch 
	Green Brown   	Switch to reverse lamp 
	Green Blue    	Water temperature gauge to temperature unit 
	Green Red     	Direction indicator switch to left-hand flasher lamps 
	Green Purple  	Stop lamp switch to stop lamps, or stop
		      	lamp switch to lamp failure unit 
	Green Light green Hazard flasher unit to hazard pilot lamp 
			  or lamp failure unit to stop lamp bulbs 
	Green White   	Direction indicator switch to right hand flasher lamps 
	Green Yellow  	Heater motor to switch single speed (or to 
		      	'slow' on tow- or three-speed motor) 
	Green Black   	Fuel gauge to fuel tank unit or changeover 
		      	switch or voltage stabilizer to tank units 
	Green Pink    	Fuse to flasher unit 
	Green Slate   	a) Heater motor to switch ('fast' on two-
			   or three-speed motor) 
  		      	b) Coolant level unit to warning light 
	Green Orange  	Low fuel level switch to warning light 

	MAIN TRACER PURPOSE Light green Instrument voltage stabilizer to
				        instruments 
	Light green Brown  Flasher switch to flasher unit 
	Light green Blue   a) Flasher switch to left-hand 
			      flasher warning light
			   b) Coolant level sensor to control unit 
			   c) Test switch to coolant level control unit 
	Light green Red    Fuel tank changeover switch to right-hand
 			   tank unit or entry and exit door closed 
			   switch to door actuator 
	Light green Purple Flasher unit to flasher warning light 
	Light green Green  Start inhibitor relay to change speed 
			   switch; or switch to heater blower motor 
			   second speed on three-speed unit 
	Light green White  Low air pressure switch to buzzer and 
		           warning light 
	Light green Yellow Flasher switch to right-hand warning light; 
			   or differential lock switch to differential 
			   lock warning light 
	Light green Black  Front screen jet switch to screen jet motor 
	Light green Slate  Fuel tank changeover switch to left-hand tank 
			   unit; or entry and exit door open switch to 
			   door actuator 
	Light green Orange Rear window wash switch to wash pump; or cab 
			   lock-down switch to warning light 

	MAIN TRACER PURPOSE Orange Wiper circuits fused via ignition switch 
	Orange Blue 	Switch to front screen wiper motor first speed 
			timer or intermittend unit 
	Orange Green 	Switch to front screen wiper motor second speed 
	Orange Black 	Switch to front screen wiper motor parking
			cicuit, timer or intermittent unit 
	Orange Purple 	Timer or intermittent unit to motor parking circuit 
	Orange White 	Timer or intermittent unit to motor parking circuit 
	Orange Yellow 	Switch to headlamp or rear window wiper motor feed, 
			timer or relay coil 
	Orange Light green Switch to headlamp or rear window wiper 
			   motor parking circuit timer or relay coil 
	Orange Pink 	Timer or relay to headlamp or rear window wiper 
			motor feed 
	Orange Slate 	Timer or relay to headlamp or rear window wiper
	 		motor parking circuit Pink white Ballast terminal 
			to ignition distributor 
	
	MAIN TRACER PURPOSE Purple Accessories fed direct from battery 
				   via fuse 
	Purple Brown 	Horn fuse to horn relay when horn is fused 
			separately 
	Purple Blue 	Fuse to heated rear window relay or switch 
			and warning light 
	Purple Red 	Switches to map light, under bonnet light, 
			glove box light and boot lamp when fed direct from
			battery fuse 
	Purple Green 	Fuse to hazard flasher 
	Purple Light green Fuse to relay for screen demist 
	Purple White 	Interior lights to switch (subsidiary circuit 
			door safety lights to switch) 
	Purple Yellow 	Horn to horn relay 
	Purple Black 	Horn to horn relay to horn push 
	Purple Pink 	Rear heated window to switch or relay 
	Purple Slate 	Aerial lift motor to switch up 
	Purple Orange 	Aerial lift motor to switch down 

	MAIN TRACER PURPOSE Red Main feed to all circuits mastered by
				sidelamp switch 
	Red Brown 	Rear fog guard switch to lamps 
	Red Blue 	Front fog lamp fuse to fog lamp switch 
	Red Purple 	Switches to map light, under bonnet light, 
			glove box light and boot lamp when sidelamp
			circuit fed 
	Red Green 	Bulb failure unit to right-hand-side and rear
			lamps 
	Red White 	a) Sidelamp fuse to right-hand side and rear lamps
			b) Sidelamp fuse to panel light rheostat 
			c) Fuse to panel light switch or rheostat 
			d) Fuse to fibre optic source 
	Red Yellow 	Fog lamp switch to fog lamp or front fog fuse 
			to fog lamps 
	Red Black	Left-hand,sidelamp fuse to side and tail lamps 
			and number plate illumination 
	Red Pink 	Sidelamp fuse to lighting relay 
	Red Slate 	Lamp failure unit to lef-hand side and tail lamps 
	Red Orange 	Fusebox to rear fog guard switch Slate 
			Window lift main lead 

	MAIN TRACER PURPOSE White Ignition switch or starter solenoid
				  to ballast resistor 
	White Brown 	Oil pressure switch to warning light or gauge, 
			or starter relay to oil pressure switch 
	White Blue 	Choke switch to choke solenoid (unfused) and/or 
			choke to switch to warning light, or electronic 
			ignition distributor to drive resistor 
	White Red 	Starter switch to starter solenoid or inhibitor 
			switch or starter relay or ignition (start position) 
			to bulb failure unit 
	White Purple 	Fuel pump no 1 or right-hand to changeover switch 
	White Green 	Fuel pump no 2 or left-hand to changeover switch 
	White Light green Start switch to starter interlock or oil 
			  pressure switch to fuel pump or start inhibitor 
			  switch to starter relay or solenoid 
	White Yellow 	Ballast resistor to coil or starter solenoid 
			to coil 
	White Black 	Ignition coil contact breaker to distributor 
			contact breaker, or distributor side of coil 
			to voltage impulse tachometer 
	White Pink 	Ignition switch to radio fuse 
	White Slate 	Current tachometer to ignition coil 
	White Orange 	Hazard warning lead to switch Yellow 
			a) Overdrive 
			b) Petrol injection 
			c) Door locks 
			d) Gear selector switch to starter

	There is one place that carries the whole all this wire:
   
          British Wiring Inc
          20449 Ithaca
          Olympia Fields, IL 60461
          (708) 481-9050 voice & fax
          
   

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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 22:35:34 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: RE: Manifold Bolts/Studs 2.25 l - Info?

In message Fri, 24 Nov 1995 18:36:06 -0800,
  jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)  writes...

...about manifolds.

When i rebuilthe head a short time ago i took off the manifolds. Maninly
because a stud broke at the exhaust exit (annoying isn't it?). Bolts and
studs were pretty rusty so i ordered a complete set of bolts and a an
integrated gasket with the new ex-manifold. If yours is a sIII you might
prefer to use the two metal gaskets again (only if they are undamaged). Use
studs at the top centre hole and at the sides (top holes). Studs are great
for guideing the preassembled manifolds on with the gaskets already hanging
on the studs. Then just use long bolts in deep holes etc.

It's dark here too but i seem to remember a short bolt centre-bottom. The
butterfly washers land on the easily recognisable platforms on the
underside.

Only use enough studs to guide. Bolts are a lot easier to get out five or
more years from now.

And use a good quality copper grease. Not cheap stuff that has more grease
than copper in it. PBC (PolyButylCuprysil) is three times as expensive as
Duckhams copper grease, but it's almost like thick liquid copper. And most
brands are lead free nowadays.

Oh, and don't put it on the end of the studs/bolts. Thread only.

Good luck.
sv/aurens

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From: Johnny Hansen <Johnny_Hansen@dk-online.dk>
Subject: Hello
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 95 21:48:11 +0000 (GMT)

Hello all

I'am new at all this. I have had Internet acces for 10 days, and I bought my
first Land Rover this summer. It's a SIII 109" Diesel, from 1982.

I have found a lot of good things here, and expect to participate with
somethings in the future.

I am a member of the Danish Land Rover Klub.

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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 95 17:55:02 -0700
From: Roy_H._Caldwell@desktop.org (Roy H. Caldwell)
Subject: London Visit

I will be in the London area from Dec 10 to the 19th.  I was hoping to get
some pointers on some quality parts places to drop by.  Sig othr will limit me
to two or three.  I will actually be in the Twickenham area.  I wanted to drop
by Brownchurch and Merseyside but also wanted to drop by one place that might
have more used parts.  I am specifically looking for bits and pieces for the
soft top sticks.  Any suggestions?  I would appreciate any suggestions?  I do
have a rental and can get some where that is not to far out of the way.  The
rest of the family does not share my addiction to Rovers.  Thanks.

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 10:38:01 +0800
From: OscarM <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: RR aftermarket spoiler and air vent cover

Alan Smedley writes:
> 	I have seen pictures of a very nice looking moulded aftermarket "spoiler"
> 	which fits over the roof on the back of the Range Rover, also forming a wind
> 	deflector for the back window.

>>It is part of a kit designed by TWR (Tom Wilkinshaw (sp??) Racing) who
just happen
>>to be one of the Local Land Rover dealers.

The specific photo you refer is of a RR with plate __TOM 4__, as featured in
the March '94 issue of Off Road and 4 Wheel Drive.  TWR Special Vehicle
Operations is at Station Field Industrial Estate, Kidlington, Oxford OX5
1JD, Tel 0865 842220.

Oscar Montelibano
omont@mnl.sequel.net
75247.2423@compuserve.com
Philippines

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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 18:56:19 -0800
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Inertial Reel Seat Belts

In my SIIA 109 3-door the inertial reel for the 3-point belt is bolted to a
steel plate which is in turn mounted vertically and bolted through the
galvanized capping at the front corner of the bed.  The other end of the
belt is anchored to the floor by the side of the seat box, and the
latch/female end is anchored to the trailing edge of the seat box top with a
steel plate and 8 bolts.

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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 23:57:31 -0600
From: twei@mail.eye.utmem.edu (Ted Wei, Jr.)
Subject: LR D110 + other comments

Hello everyone!  I've been reading the LRO Digest for over a year, and I
finally purchased a White 1996 Discovery last month and loving every mile!

a couple of questions and comments..

1. I'm having some water leaking problems in the passenger rear speaker
area.  They resealed the alpine windows once before, and it'll go in again
this week to find the culprit.  Anyone with similar problems?

2. The body panel fit on the Disco is not even comparable to my late model
audi or girlfriend's Infiniti, any comments?

3. what type of gas mileage are people getting?

4.  Discussion on the Defender board on AOL state that LR is bringing back
the D110 for 1996.  Are these rumors true? Anyone have a price range? How
reliable are these?

5. Is there a LR Owners club/group in the Memphis ( home of the king) area?

6. I want to start a collection of Digitized (Quicktime) Disco commercials
and possibly by permission from LR have them available on the internet via
ftp.  Anyone have video clips from the earlier commercial on VHS they can
lend to me?  Any suggestions or help on collection would be much
appreciated. If you've got one, please let me know!

Thanks

Ted Wei, Jr.
Memphis, TN

___
'96 Discovery
wanting a D110!

___
Ted Wei, Jr., MD
University of Tennessee, Memphis
Department of Ophthalmology
956 Court Ave Suite 301
Memphis, TN 38163
(901) 448-5883

twei@mail.eye.utmem.edu
medmac@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 21:06:48 -0800
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: How Are RR's Like To Work On?

I'm toying with the idea of selling my Series IIA and getting  a used Range
Rover -- about 5 years old with about 80-100K mile, given my price range.
But I've never worked on a RR and have never owned one before, so I'd
appreciate it if the RR owners on the list could tell me:

1.  How are RR's to work on?  Can you do most jobs as DYI without a shop's
worth of "special tools"?.  Is there room to reach in and work?  Are things
generally understandable?  I'm not intending to rebuild the transmission or
anything like that, but would like to be able to do the sorts of repairs
I've done on the LR -- brakes, swivel balls, bearing, busted halfshafts,
propshafts, etc.

2.  What do folks think about a 5 year old US-spec RR with 80K miles on it?
Is that too many miles?  Do they start to have lots of problems at that age?

3.  What areas of the vehicles give problems the most?  What areas should I
look at?  Is there a good inspection guide available?

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Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 21:06:45 -0800
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Series I For Sale

A guy I know told me of a Series I sitting in a "farmer's backyard" in
Arizona for sale.  He got some photos and info but decided not to pursue it,
so he passed the photos on to me.   I don't have the facilities for a
restoration at present, so I am passing the info on to the list.  

The photos show a Series I SWB.  The owner's note describes it as a "1958 88
inch".   The truck is blue with a white hardtop including the two piece rear
door.  The body has a fair number of dents and the whole thing would
probably be a restoration job.  The front wings are "just set on, but all
the parts are with it" (per the owner's note.)  I was told that my buddy's
friend (who found the truck in the first place) talked to the owner and was
informed that the latter would take $1,000 for the truck.  

If anyone wants the owner's name and address, just contact me.  (I'm
reluctant to "publish" it on the list since I've not received permission to
do so.)  Caveat:   I have neither seen the truck nor spoken with the owner,
and so don't take any of my info as gospel.  Sorry, I don't have the
equipment to electronically transmit the photos, and they don't show much
more than what I've just described.

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From: FHYap@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 00:28:24 -0500
Subject: LRNA Marketing

See Business Week, November 20, 1995, page 152.  The Ralph Lauren of Car
Dealers: Land Rover Centres sell boots, safari suits - and yes, cars.  

I have heard of the term Chinese Wall but I'm not sure what is a Chinese
Whisper. 

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