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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 08:54:26 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Cold Discovery Feet

Well I've rovering my  Discovery 300 TDi now for seven weeks and 3000 miles.
Have done some serious off-roading. No rattles, no problems at all. Average
diesel milage so far 10.2 km/l (= 24 miles/US gallon = 28.9 miles/ UK gallon

9.7 km/l( 22.9 m/g US 27.5 m/g UK )

LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
                ____
      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Dicovery,
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#  scarved for live
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
[|_/  \|_____|_/  \_|]
  ( o )        ( o )

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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 00:38:12 -0800
From: rover@europa.com (Brad Krohn/Deborah Shannon)
Subject: Series Sightings

My spouse is just back from a two-plus week retreat in Nepal and reports the
place is a veritable Land Rover heaven (well, it's close enough). Discos,
Rangies and a bunch of Series vehicles.

Have a transparency going to be made into a print of a Series sitting in
front of a Wei Wei Noodles billboard 
(yeah, they have them too...) in Kathmandu which reads "Life is Not Like
Noodles" -- that's right, only Lucas electrics are like noodles.

Will try to scan it and post somewhere along with another of a III on a hand
ferry going across some river in Zambia.

Which brings up: any folks on the list have objections to using their
comments, with credit of course, about Series repairs/problems/etc? I've
been thinking about doing some pages dedicated to keeping our vehicles
runnin' and have been culled through several saved months of the digest. As
I see it now, there's no easy way to hunt for info.

==="Rover? Who drives it?"===================Brad_Krohn@ccm.hf.intel.com
..."That would be telling".........................<or> rover@europa.com
========================-The Prisoner========================'69 IIA 88"

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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 03:44:15 -0500
Subject: Ext. Sun Visor Wanted

Hello all.......
Ever get in the mood where you itch to find one more gadget to bolt onto the
Landie?
Well,  my current want is one of those nifty bolt on exterior sun visors.
  Truthfully, I've never seen one in person, only in photos.    Would like to
find a used but decent one just to save a few bucks over the price of a new
one.   Atlantic British doesn't show one in their current catalog.   I don't
have a current Rovers North catalog but I'm told that they do have the visors
(RN #90608551) for $175 US.   Anyone know of other sources or know of a used
one available?

Oh, also, what about a good source (US) for the high lift jack, complete with
brackets and fittings for exterior mounting, new or good used.

Thanks all.
Cordially:
Rick Crider  KD4FXA
Monroe  NC   USA
<rickcrider@aol.com>
66  Slla  109"     Hugo              ......and for sale.....
73  Slll    88"      Jesse
88  Range  Rover

~~~~~~Where would we be without the LRO list.........~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: RICKCRIDER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 03:44:43 -0500
Subject: Repost request: Tropical Roof

Would the person selling the tropical roof panel please repost or email me,
if its still available.    Would like to pass it on to a non list lro.
   Thanks.
Rick Crider
<rickcrider@aol.com>

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:56:57 +0100
From: Peter Kutschera <peter@zditr1.arcs.ac.at>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Bicycle (!)

Does it have 4 - I mean 2 weel drive?

Peter :-)

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From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>
Subject: bits
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 10:37:41 GMT

dear all, cheers for the info regards subscribing to other lists. done it.

to the chap who suggests that i *wash* my windows so that i can wave to people
all i can say is what a novel concept, i thought all land rovers changed to 
that dusty brown colour. you mean it comes off ! <G>

here in the uk there is a company called coastal engineering who advertise 
fitting 6.2 and 6.5 v8 gm diesals, they are on +44 (0)1460 234724.

as for the trivia questions, a) the answer about the honda crossroads, is second only to when our friends say 'hows your jeep?' aaaaarrrghhhhhhh. and b) the
differnce between the rr are that the 1990 one has a silk tie fixed to the 
driver, not just cotton. there that was easy! <G>

cheers guys.

p.s. even my wife (jaki) says that she has had to change her outlook on people
after meeting the peeps in our club. pleasent peeps one and all, now i can tell
her its a world wide epidemic.

'everyone needs a land rover they just don't know it yet'

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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 12:21:36 +0100
From: "Rodney A. Walker" <rwalker@rcru.rl.ac.uk>
Subject: Series I Smith's Heaters (Recore)

I'm restoring an 86" Series 1 Landrover and I'm in the UK for 6 months. I've
obtained a lot of excellent gear for it including a number of Smith's
heaters that are not available in Australia. However all of the cores are RS
(stuffed) and I was wondering who in the UK can recore these things. Someone
must have had it done here. Craddock will sell then but they are =A3130 and
I'm sure that it can be done cheaper than that. Any US suppliers?

Any ideas?

Rod Walker

55 86" Series 1 Nearly finished
53 80"
49 80" Ex MoD 02BC23

--
Rodney Walker
Radio Communication Research Unit
Building R25, Room 2.38
Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
Chilton, Didcot, Oxfordshire, OX11 0QX, UK

Tel: +44-1235-44 5492
Fax: +44-1235-44 6140
--

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Date: 09 Nov 95 09:07:05 EST
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: US OEM DISCO WINCHES ETC

     visited the bay state (Massachusetts usa) auto show last night and 
     predictably hung out around the lr stand. red 90 and black 4.6 sold 
     already. sd spec disco and a white se7 toting a batch of lrna oem 
     accessories including a warn 9000 winch and roof rack.  some thoughts 
     on those accessories... 
     to fit the winch Lrna (pronounced learner?) makes the dealer slice up 
     the plastic spoiler and the metal bumper which is a crazy idea. can't 
     believe that anyone wants to permanently damage a vehicle like that. 
     the whole assembly must weigh 200lbs as well and definitely needs 
     heavy duty springs to recover the lost ride height. also by sticking 
     out from the front of the vehicle by about a foot it can't do anything 
     positive for the angle of approach. big thumbs down on that one guys. 
     sorry.
     
     the roof rack looked like something that safety devices in the uk 
     would make. but suffered from very poor paint coverage. i don't know 
     if they use a galvanized primer underneath the black paint but you 
     could see the primer in a number of places. not good.
     
     now don't blame the dealer for either of these, they have to buy their 
     stuff from lrna therefore have no choice. i like the guys over at 
     metro west land rover so much that I'm due back there tomorrow to get 
     a mud flap put back on having ripped the last one off.
     regards
     Chris browne
     Boston mass
     Chris_browne@minet-usa-bos.ccmail.compuserve.com
     http://www.minet-tech.com 

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 07:15:19 -0700 (MST)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@sun.cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Squirrels in my heater

If your fan bearings are going, and you have a Kodiak heater, you can get 
a good replacement fan from a wrecker. I changed mine for a nice, big, new 
looking fan from a early (late 60's, early 70's) Ford Pickup. Had to 
change the mounting plate and squirrel cage, but it works great and cost 
$10. Getting the fan from the Ford is very simple in those years, as it 
is sitting right out in the open, just like the LR's.

Rob 

>          Now I know why the Series III heater fan is
>          referred to as a "Squirrel Cage". When you turn it
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>          it actually gets cold. Anybody had this
>          happen? No? You will now! "List syndrome"
>          strikes again!

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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 09:44:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Steering wheel groaning

All,

    When driving my 88 (made in 1959, titled as a 1960) in very cold
    weather, I (made in 1961, titled as a 1962) find that my elbows emit
    a loud creaking noise when attempting to turn the steering wheel
    hard to either side.

    Does anyone have the Rover service bulletin number for this problem
    so I can go to my dealer to have it fixed?

    Thanks,
    Duncan

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:47:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Hub Wrench

On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, LTC Larry Smith wrote:

> nuts.  I went to the local NAPA store and they ordered a 2 1/16inch hub
> service/wheel bearing wrench (looks like an oversized sheetmetal sparkplug
> wrench).  Cost was about $12.00.  No, its not a perfect fit, esp. with the
> rounded corners on the nuts, but it works.

	You can  get these sockets from automotive/machine shop supply 
	houses & are made out of thick steel.  Mine is slightly larger
	so I can put it on over the lock tabs and just rip the tab off 
	while taking the nut off (fiddling with the tabs can be a pain
	at times)  You should replace these tabs.  I have seen some in
	horrid condifion. (the slightly larger size also allows you to 
	get the socket over some of the burrs from hammer and chisel
	efforts in a prior life.  The thin walled tin ones are a bit
	useless.  It is worth getting the think walled one IMHO.

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:00:25 -0500
From: nadyne@bccom.com
Subject: Re: Maintenance manual from newsgroup

How about making it into a Word document, indexing it, and 
then using "find" to search it like a database?

I'd love to take a crack at it.

nadyne@bccom.com

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:58:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Brake Problems

On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, Michael Carradine wrote:

>  You're NOT supposed to raise the front of a 109.  It needs to be dead level
>  as the rear cylinder will trap air.

	If you want to get air out of the master, raising makes life a lot
	easier...

	Rgds,

	

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Steering wheel groaning
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 15:20:06 GMT

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
>     so I can go to my dealer to have it fixed?
>     Thanks,
>     Duncan
Try Elbow Grease.Call Lanny at RN,I beleive it may be on offer this month.

Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 07:46:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Slade <slade@teleport.com>
Subject: Trakkers VS. Bat Fastard

Hello,

Just thinking of seating options for a 109, and was wondering if anyone 
had done a comparison of the HiBack Weenies available from Trakkers, and 
the similar seats available from Bat Fastards (always catch myself on 
that one :)  ).

Or, what about finding D110 seats from a breaker? 

 I know that there are several other non-LR seats that will fit the front,
 are there any other manufacturers seats that will fit in (without too much
 trouble) the rear of a 109?

Thanks,

Michael

slade@teleport.COM  Public Access User -- Not affiliated with Teleport
Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-1016 (2400-28800, N81)

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:15:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Steering wheel groaning

>>When driving my 88 (made in 1959, titled as a 1960) in very cold weather, I
(made in 1961, titled as a 1962) find that my elbows emit a loud creaking
noise when attempting to turn the steering wheel hard to either side.

Hey, it's an easy fix.  A pair of coveralls fitted with a flexible hose to
the heater works very well.  You can even drive with the windows open
(recommended, since there is no longer any airflow to the defrosters),
although passengers have it pretty tough.  But hey, let'm squeek.

This actually was a factory installed option on ragtop models, suffix e
through f.

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:14:16 GMT
From: Ian Robinson <ian@fourx4.demon.co.uk>
Subject: subscribe

Please Email me details of how to subscribe to the Land Rover Digest

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Regards                           |  EMail ian@fourx4.demon.co.uk
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Forest of Dean, Glos, UK          |  Fax    +44 (0) 1594 822634

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:08:40 -0800
From: cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us (Christopher Boese)
Subject: Discovery quality control problems

Robert Watson writes, r.e. Discovery reliability:

>95 Black Discovery service history for the past 3.5 months
>	2500 miles: 	Oil change & 
>				sent to body shop to re-align rear door (mounted wrong)

I've had my suspicions about my rear door and wonder if I might have the
same problem. I'm the one with the creaky rear door that the dealer hasn't
fixed yet. How did you know the door had been mounted wrong? Did you see
something? Hear something? For me, it's not the noise, it's what it might
mean that bugs.

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office

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Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 11:35:58 -0500
From: Sanjay Prasad <Prasad@ba-iplaw.com>
Subject:  Range Rovers

In response to the question about 87-90 Range Rovers, I have a 90
Range Rover which we bought last March.  We have put about 10,000
miles on it since then and haven't had any problems.  The gas mileage
has been about 15-16 mpg on the highway and about 12-13 in the city. 
We bought the beast from LandRover Metro West in Natick,
Massachusetts and have been very pleased with their service.  We got
48 free oil changes with the car so our service costs for the first 10k
miles have been zero.
     Overall, I have nothing but good things to say about the Range Rover. 
My wife and I have always had japanese cars but decided that with a
new baby coming we needed something with more room than our Honda
Prelude.  So after looking at Jeeps, Explorers, etc. we decided to try
something different (and save some money at the same time) by buying a
used Range Rover.  We have taken it on a number of trips and have
found that it is quite comfortable.  Of course the off-road performance, in
the few times I have taken it out, is spectacular.
     The only problem I can see with 23k miles a year is the fuel cost. 
Premium unleaded fuel at 15 mpg tends to add up (at least when
compared to a japanese economy car).

Sanjay Prasad
Boston, MA
prasad@ba-iplaw.com

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:42:16 -0800
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: McNamara Diffs?

My rear diff has apparently died (girlfriend back home reports death...
half-shafts are fine...lacking full diagnosis on cause of death...). As I
am currently in the UK, I will probably pick up a new diff and bring it
home in my carryone ;) but I thought I'd check on lockers.

Anyone using a McNamara locking diff? What are the co$t$. Do you buy a
whole unit or refit an existing diff? Where would someone in the western
USA purchase one of these. Opinions?

What are the other (non-air-operated) lockers available and what are their
costs, availability, benefits (and drawbacks).

I apologise for the flurry of queries, but I am rushed as I am returnning
to the states shortly (if I bring back a ser III SWB diff and decide to get
a locker... anyone in the western USA interested in buying a new stock diff
at UK prices? ;)

thanks,
jory

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 08:57:30 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Panhard

You wrote

>Russ W. wants to know.....

>> Panhard?????? Panhead, I know.  Panhard....Hmmm Tell us a story about the 
>> mystical Panhard.

snip
>Its French. Need I say more??

>Cheers
>Mike

French?  RUN AWAY!  RUN AWAY!... no wait a minute,  hold on .. BURN IT! BURN IT!

Cheers

Jeremy ("je deteste les automechaniques francaises") Bartlett

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:16:02 GMT
From: schmit@wirehub.nl (Dolf van mil)
Subject: Damper ?? on handbrake drum ?? 

Hallo there,
In the thechnical handbook i use there is a *damper* on the
handbrake drum. Well on my SIIa 1964 there is nothing like that.
Is there someone who have any idea what the purpose of this *damper*
is and if it is required or just leave it away?

Ok bye bye for now...

Dolf...

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 12:09:13 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: RR fuel economy - why so bad?

Someone just posted that he gets 12-13 city, 15-16 mpg hwy in a '90
RR.  That's awful!  A Bronco/F150 with a 351 (5.7 l), 220 hp, 280 ft-lb
torque gets 15 city, 17 or more on hwy.  And it weighs over 5,000 lbs.
I assume the '90 in Mass must meet emissions, so it's not going out the tail pipe.
Otto cycle is the same for US and UK vehicles, must be the creature comforts on 
the RR: AC/stereo/cell-phone ?  (trolling... trolling...)

I don't feel so bad getting 13 mpg in a dual-Strombed 3.5l, I wish I had the
280 ft-lb of torque, though.

See ya, I mean,
cheers
Jan

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From: "Michael Wood" <thor@expressway.com>
Date:          Thu, 9 Nov 1995 09:37:10 +8
Subject:       Broken Half Shaft.

I've got a 1965 Land Rover series IIA 88 which has a new problem. It 
appears to be the half? shaft in the rear differential. I hear it is 
not an uncommon occurance. As soon as I lost it, I stopped to see if 
it was the transmission popping out of gear and when I could see the 
drive shaft rotating with nothing happening, I figured...

Anyways, how difficult is it to find the half shaft part in the diff? 
How hard is it to replace? Does it require removing the whole rear 
end or can I do it by dropping the srive shaft or something? I 
checked one of the maintenance manuals and it seems to require 
dropping the rear end to work on it. 

M. Wood

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From: Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Leaky centre diff...
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 04:36:58 +1100 (EDT)

Franz,
I have experienced a similar leak from my 77 RR's 4 speed gearbox.... 
I am not sure that your box is the same, but I think it is, so here goes:
The selector shaft for High/Low range change runs right through the upper 
section of the transfer case ( behind the handbrake handle on one side, 
and almost inline with and above the gearbox mounts on both sides). The 
shaft on earlier release boxes is sealed by square section rubber 
washers which are retained in grooves under a diamond shaped plate on 
each side of the box. The plates are secured in place by a very large 
flat blade type screw at two corners of the diamond, and the shaft passes 
through the middle of them. Some time later, I don't know when, LR 
decided that the seals did not work- everyone else already knew! The fix 
is to replace them with round section "O-ring" type seals of the correct 
size. I bought one from my local original parts supplier for several 
dollars, then took it to the nearest bearing/oilseal seller and matched 
it up with an identical one which they sell, and bought 10 for around $0.50.
Now I feel good because I can give them to my leaking friends, knowing 
that I am depriving the orig. parts bloodsucker of a few bucks! The leak 
is gone, but getting those screws in and out is a fiddle in a RR.

The O-rings I bought were approximately 2.6mm (~3/32") in cross section, and 
had an overall outside diameter of approximately 20.7mm (13/16").

This was actually the only significant leak from my transmission, but oh 
well, the engine makes up for it.

If you are unsure of where exactly yours is leaking, try wiping or 
washing as much as possible away, then keep checking after driving until 
you see the source of the leak. Sand driving is another good way to find 
leaks. The finest sand sticks well to oil! 
BTW it should not be gear oil if you have the same box as me, but rather 
ordinary engine oil (separate systems for gearbox, transfer case, engine, 
but same stuff in all).

Hope this helps,
I can probably find the reference number for the O rings I bought too if 
you need it, or else just lash out and buy OEM version.

cheers,
Brian.

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From: Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Trivia...
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 04:39:01 +1100 (EDT)

I'm thinkin of door and bonnet hinges dissapearing from view.....
Do I win da prize?

seeya,
Brian.

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From: Brian Neill Tiedemann <s914440@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: diesel 6.2
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 04:50:32 +1100 (EDT)

John Hess writes:
> Check out the reputation for this engine! 

> I don't know diesels BUT a friend of mine down the street with 2 diesel
> fords trucks and a diesel ford car (mazda engine) does.  He says the GM 6.2
> is not good.  It was a gas car engine that was converted in the fuel crisis
> but that failed and cost the company money so it was strengthened but not
> quite enough.  He says the ford 6.9 is much better.

> So, the advice is free and as useful!
The guy who has it mentioned that there was bad things said about some 
versions of this engine (early ones?) but claims that this one is of the 
later "black block" version which is supposed to be better. Interesting 
though, as I too am fairly "diesel illiterate" and like to listen around.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:00:27 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Ext. Sun Visor Wanted

RICKCRIDER writes:
Snip
> Well,  my current want is one of those nifty bolt on exterior sun visors.
>   Truthfully, I've never seen one in person, only in photos.    Would like to
> find a used but decent one just to save a few bucks over the price of a new
> one.   Atlantic British doesn't show one in their current catalog.   I don't

It would be very easy for a tin knocker to make you one. I have one 
and it is 3 triangular sheet metal brackets, each with two lips 
folded, to mount on the windscreen. The visor itself is a long 
rectangular piece with a lip folded up in the rear to mate with the 
windscreen top, and a lip folded down in front to add rigidity (which 
didn't stop mine from cracking.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 14:33:20 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Brake Problems

> On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, Michael Carradine wrote:
> >  You're NOT supposed to raise the front of a 109.  It needs to be dead level
> >  as the rear cylinder will trap air.

and Dixon wrote:

> 	If you want to get air out of the master, raising makes life a lot
> 	easier...

I think that only applies to the CB type cylinder which has the 
outlet pipe a good ways forward of the rear of the cylinder. The 
slope of the mount will allow an air pocket to form.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: ScottFugate_Group8@ctdvns1.ctd.ornl.gov
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 14:59:40 EST
Subject: Squirrely Heater and Ramblings

David Bobeck has rodents in his heater.  ME TOO!  I was just thinking about 
posting this problem.  My guess is the electric motor is in its death throes.  
Anybody know of a cheap replacement source or can these units be successfully 
rebuilt?

By the way, I have found that the late IIA/III heating system is fully 
adequate for my climate (Mountainous East Tennessee, USA). A while back, 
however, I found that most of my heated air was blowing out the heater matrix 
box into the engine compartment.  Seems that the matrix was originally padded 
in the box with open cell foam or some other type of material with a short 
half life.  Mine had turned to dust, exposing a few large holes (intentionally 
put there to allow for other applications, I suppose) in the box.  Re assembly 
using some stray closed cell foam increased hot air throughput to the cabin 
immensely.  This morning it was 27 degrees F, and halfway to work, I had to 
tun the blower to low!  

The IIA is my primary car while my RR is in the shop for body work, courtesy 
of a geriatric driver in Dillwyn, VA.  Yeah, if you saw a Range Rover down an 
embankment coming home from the Mid-Atlantic Rally, it was me.  Nobody hurt, 
but if the guy had pulled in to my lane two seconds later, I would have hit 
him head on.  The old guy never saw me, or much of anything else.  Maybe the 
reckless driving violation will end his driving career. He's 84. (Sorry, I 
digress.)   I decided to go the extra mile and paint the whole dang thing 
while I was at it.  Not cheap, but the body man (a Rover fanatic himself) told 
me I was getting the job at less than half of the price than if the insurance 
work wasn't there.  Who needs savings anyway?  

I'm finding that the more I use the IIA, the better it runs.  We go off road 
tomorrow in pursuit of whitetail.  Have a good weekend.  I know I will.

Scott Fugate
1970 IIA
1989 RR

BT

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:30:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Brake Problems

On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Tom Rowe wrote:

> I think that only applies to the CB type cylinder which has the 
> outlet pipe a good ways forward of the rear of the cylinder. The 
> slope of the mount will allow an air pocket to form.

	Possibly...  I am only familiar with the CB style, which is the
	most common around here.  Boosted systems have the master level 
	already, so it isn't a concern.  Anyway, I used to have a dead TR-7
	for this before I scrapped it.  Driving up to the shock towers 
	puts the front end of the LR at the right height for getting air
	out of the master cylinder.  Kinda fun too.  

	Rgds from the tundra...

	

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 00:14:09 +0100
From: daniel@sys.nl (D.J_Polak)
Subject: Land Rover magazines

Roy,

(In English for the sake of the others on the list, I DO speak Dutch)
I live in Amsterdam and have a subscription to Land Rover World. I called 
them before I decided to subscribe and asked them for a trial copy, if I 
remember correctly they sent me one. Their phone number is 00 44 181 597 7335.
I can recommend it it's a nice magazine.

Daniel
              /----------------
             /     |           |
     _====_ /______|           |
   _|____  |       | _______   |
  {_/   \\ |______/ / /   \  \_|
  [(     )\--------- (     )   -]
    \ _ /             \ _ /
1957 DAF YA 126
1973 Light Weight Land Rover

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 15:42:56 -0800
From: brutus@jurassic-45.Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Curtis)
Subject: Re: Land Rover Bicycle (!)

> FYI, everyone, here's the URL for a description of that Land Rover bicycle.
> According to the Web search site's abstract, the bike is built under license
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> UK might have better luck:
> http://137.205.192.13/~esrgq/moulton/landrapb.html
I tried http://crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk/~esrgq/moulton/landrapb.html
and the URL work just fine. It's designed by Moulton and based on the
Moulton APB.
--
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SunSoft, Internet Engineering       http://www.toaster.net/~brutus
2550 Garcia Ave, MS MTV05-44        (415)336-2652
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--- After November 15th ---
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> Christopher Boese
> County of San Bernardino, California
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
> 1995 beluga black Discovery

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:39:37 -1000
From: Alan Smedley <alans@mpx.com.au>
Subject: Re: Shock Absorbers on '92 Range Rover 

> Alan mentions brackets for mounting his old steering damper to the front 
> steering rod: Is this the same setup as is seen on LR Defenders? Was 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> steering damper gets in the way, so using the whole Defender system seems 
> logical- Damper then acts on the front tie rod- between steering box and 
> LH front wheel (Australia).
 
I had the work done by John E. Davis Motorworks at Amaroo Park, an outer
north western suburb of greater Sydney.  I don't know if it is similar to
what is done on a Defender.  The brackets off the chasis and for attaching
to the Pitman arm are made up in John's workshop I believe.
 
The mounting on the Pitman arm has to be such that any adjustment of the arm
can still be achieved without the damper causing any obstruction to its
rotation for adjustment.
 
The way the damper is mounted "hides" it up higher than any other items
which would change the approach angle.
 
On my previous Range Rover, an '87 Hiline, the Bilstien replacement damper
on its own was good, but this arrangement is far superior as it takes up any
residual move in the steering arms.

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 00:51:54 +0100
From: sm095re@unidui.uni-duisburg.de (Kurt Reinhardt)
Subject: leaky centre-diff on 110 Landy

Hello Franz,
as you told, the gear oil seems to come out the upper casing. Due to the
fluid-level I consider it is possible a blocked breather. If this occurs,
you will get
some kind of pressure inside your diff, and on a longer run it will cause
leakage in the form you got. I had this as a SPOT on my car, because the
prior owner waxolyled the underside, even the breathers. So I`ve got some
oil on highway runs dripping from the top of the rear axle diff. After some
brainstorming, I concluded that it couldn`t be a normal leakage because of
oil level(see above).
I bought a new axle breather fitted it and ooops !!! a dry Rangie :-)) at
least at this point.

Ciao Kurt

Kurt.Reinhardt@unidui.uni-duisburg.de

PS.: Eventually I got another car in 10 days.

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Date: 09 Nov 95 18:59:44 EST
From: "John P. Casteel" <70472.557@compuserve.com>
Subject: buying 87 90 RR

On Wed, 8 Nov. Allen Minner writes...
>>I have been thinking about getting an 87  90 Range Rover priced..."

Allen, I went through the same questions last year at this same time.  I finally
decided to buy the thing because I just loved it s looks so much.  I purchased a
90 RR County with 49K on the speedo.  I had the machine checked out at the
dealer, here in Atlanta.  Everything looked good but it needed a gas tank and
the ends of the exhaust pipe had rusted off.  (A salty life in New York, I
believe!)    I negotiated that the seller pay for the new gas tank and install c
$500.  I replaced the exhaust c $200 (?).  I should have spent a few bucks more
and put on a stainless system.

Since then I ve had to replace the front left CV joint and swivel ball housing.
This was a fluke as the mechanic told me that he's never seen anything like
that.  The CV joint had totally disintegrated!  I believe that this was because
of a SPOT.  The big nut (see associated threads (pun intended)) holding on at
the end of the axle was badly buggered by channel-locks, a chisel, and vise
grips!  This was an expensive repair c $1400 (ouch).  Still paying for that one.

I ve gone through the vehicle and removed any rust that I ve found (or am
removing, I should say).  It has only been surface rust.   While a daily driver
(20 miles each way) it is a project car for me and I plan to keep it forever.
All of my autos have been projects except for the Civic.   I'm pretty handy with
my tools.  (I hope no kids are reading this (g)).  And I really enjoy this auto.
I wouldn't trade it for anything except a Series or a Defender (and I do wave!).
It doesn t require constant fiddling, on the contrary, except for the repairs
mentioned it hasn't been any trouble at all. (GREAT Engine!)  My wife loves it
and doesn't see how we've lived without the Rover.  The gas mileage has been
about 14-17 mpg.

Finally, on this subject.  I want new bushings, shocks and springs.  I don't
think that the bushings need replacement at 80K.  There are replacement poly
bushings that give better control when driving and that s why most rovers get
the silicon implants.  Same reasoning with the new springs and shocks.  BTW,
the one thing that scares me is that a replacement Catalytic Converter is
c$1200.  Good Luck in your decision.  This is the best car I've ever owned.
(Ford EXP, Honda Civic,  MG Midget, Mazda Miata, BMW 2002.  Listed in order of
preference but the 2002 and the Miata are too close to call.)  It is the perfect
car if you have any knowledge of mechanics (Things can be taken apart, repaired,
and put back together!!)

Oh Yeah,   I did the 60K service myself.  Parts were c$350 from Rovers North (I
really can t remember the price.)  Everything was a breeze except replacing the
Auto Tranny Filter.  Not a job for the faint at heart.  I had to spread the
frame with the car jack in order to remove the frame cross member.  Dang Rust,
but all clean now!!    If your car has ever been in salt check it thoroughly!!!

Next Subject -  I think, the diference between an 88 RR and a later 1990 is the
location of the gas filler hole.  In 90 they moved it to a higher location on
the vehicle??  This may have been the 1991 change but I think I'm correct.
(Honey, where's my Rover book?   Response from the background, Which one?)   

  

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:07:03 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: Discovery Woes!

On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, MR JAMES F MCHUGH wrote:

> I have put 16m miles on a 95 Discovery in 6 months. I spent a lot
Is that 16 MILLION miles???!!!

Is this a record?  8-}

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:12:45 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: Leaky center diff

On Thu, 9 Nov 1995 tbr1102@hpmail.lrz-muenchen.de wrote:
> If anyone has seen something like this before, please tell me.

Are you kidding?  If anyone has seen an oil seal on a Landrover that 
*doesn't* leak, please tell me!   8*}

PS I just keep a nice pile of sand in my parking spot, makes the Rover 
feel at home and soaks up the oil!

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:33:09 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Waving

My previous vehicle was a dark green SIIA SWB.  Near my home in Perth 
there lives a very neat Lightweight (rare in WA). Whenever we crossed 
paths when I was in the IIA he would hang out the window and wave like 
crazy.  When I bought the 110 he stopped waving for a while but resumed 
after a little prompting from myself. When I get back to Perth next year 
I will try to track him down.

In Australia, it is generally customary to wave at ANY vehicle when 
travelling in remote areas. Even on the main highway it might be 20 
minutes between vehicles so I guess it relieves the boredom a bit.

Not a good idea to wave at road trains though (3 trailer trucks up to 
150ft long travelling at 110+kmh on single lane roads), just grip the 
wheel, grit the teeth and hit the gravel...

Cheers.

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From: a-robw@microsoft.com
Subject: RE: RR fuel economy - why so bad?
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:15:02 -0800

<gas milage of an F-150 sent to Rec.Autos.Fords>

Granted the LR's are a bit on the thirsty side, and have expensive tastes 
(i.e. premium unleaded) to boot. But the Discovery (such as the '95, I own) 
weighs in,  at over 4,300 lbs empty (and has a GVW of over 6,000 lbs!). 
Pulling that weight around with a 182 hp (241 CID) engine is going to take 
some doing, i.e. fuel. Also, remember that the LR's are full time 4WD which 
is going to cost an MPG or two.  Likewise, I'd hardly  consider a 1 MPG 
difference that big of deal since that's well with in the "margin of driver 
error", i.e. your "foot weight".  Consumer Reports apparently however thinks 
it's a big deal, though. In a recent SUV review they report: 17 MPG in the 
Explorer/Cherokee == Good; 16 MPG in the Discovery == Awful (?!?!) 
Personally I don't think the line is that distinct.

To be honest, I agree that the Disco's fuel economy isn't wonderful. But in 
the context of all the other operating costs of the Discovery (including  fi  
nancing, insurance, license, fuel, oil & maintenance) @ 2,500mi/month, fuel 
cost is only about 15%. So even if it got 25 MPG, it would still be 
expensive to own & operate. But saying the Discovery (or any other SUV) gets 
"bad" gas milage is like complaining that Ford  Escorts have bad "off-road" 
characteristics (they high center all the time, for example :-) The point is 
you can't have it all (at least not all at the same time!)
    _____
   /|__|_\___                            Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 16:33:06 -0800
From: cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us (Christopher Boese)
Subject: San Bernardino Discovery goes off-road (some)

Jim, thank you very much for the e-mail. I'm sorry it took so long for me to
write. Clearly, you've done some serious exploring. I'm impressed. Thanks
for the really extensive tips on where to "Discover" the mountains. I've
already done some of this myself; I got pretty far up the West City Creek
Truck Trail, which begins behind the Mill Creek ranger station. It's still
not all that much for the Discovery to handle, but it gave me an enticing
taste of what I'll be able to do. There are some quite uneven spots here and
there, a few rocks, some sand, even a stream crossing, though not nearly
enough to challenge my Land Rover's 20" rated wading depth!

I've also done some investigation of the dirt roads (2N25?, 2N34?) between
Cedar Glen and the Mountains Community Hospital in Lake Arrowhead. These are
just for beginners like me, but one does get the feeling one is out and
about somewhere. My obligatory yuppie cellular phone even cuts out sometimes.

What I'm really looking forward to is tracing the old route to Big Bear via
Clark's Grade. That's not something I'd have done without your expert
opinion. It will be interesting to report back to my (ex-Toyota truck
driving) 4-wheeling friend who claimed the road was washed out.

I suspect I'll be roving the land a lot more. I'll report anything interesting.

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office
'95 beluga black Discovery

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 95 20:08:51 EST
From: tdj@fore.com (Tom Des Jardins)
Subject: Discovery; Quality & Oil Leaks

I have a 94 Disco that has been a lot of fun.  It has about 25K miles on it
now.  It has been very reliable, except for the following things, fixed
under warranty:
        Door rattle (still not gone, but I am going to take it back again)
        Spark plug wires some how required replacing & made it run rough.
        (If I go out in the boonies, I'd carry spares)
        The light that illuminates the temp controls went out, & was replaced
        The interlock thingy for the automatics shifter got gummed up with
juice from the kids drinks (and was replaced under warrenty, even though I
figured it was my fault)

        It has not leaked any fluids.
        It's steering wheel doesn't squeak

                Should I say "yet"?

I have taken it through moderate 4WD conditions several times and have been
quite impressed with it's performance.  My wife drives it frequently with
the kids, and we are very happy to have bought this as our main "fun"
second vehicle.  I have been holding off on getting it really stuck until I
have a winch on it to remove it with, as we don't have a LRO 4WD club here
to call for help with or travel in packs with.  (although that may change)

The defining criteria were for us that we wanted a "real" 4WD, not one that
was just a drive to the mall toy, because we want to take some real trips
with the kids over the next few years.  (Ie, into mexico, canada etc.) The
towing capacity, saftey features, V8 and general rugged build, sold us.
The CD player was cool, but the seats are not as good as they could be.
(Maybe I can get those 6 way seats from the 96's?)  I do like the back jump
seats a lot, as well as the two trick sun roofs.

Btw, I typically flash my high beams to all LRO's, regardless of type.  My
wife thinks I'm silly.  Maybe the other folks listen to their wives more?

Oh, I have actually gone so far as to flag down another LRO in Disco, she
had her kids's rearward facing child seat in the passenger seat, a big no
no with airbags.  So, maybe I'm an outgoing LRO.

I expect my Disco to live up to everything that any of it's pedigree have
dealt with, even though it has two air conditioners.  :-)

Tom Des Jardins
FORE Systems (412)635-3374  FAX 635-3333 url http://www.fore.com
Please note new phone numbers.  I am now at the McKnight road facility.

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:21:40 -1000
From: Alan Smedley <alans@mpx.com.au>
Subject: Re: Trivia

>Today's trivia is extra simple  -  how can one differentiate a 1988 RR 4 
>door from a later model 1990?  Very subtle...  think about the exterior 
>differences between a late IIA and a series III (besides the grill!)...

Here is Oz between early '87 and '92 there were three variations of the fuel
filler.  The original exposed cap, then a flap over the cap in the same
location.  I am not sure of the date it changed again but on my '92 the flap
is now located higher up under the side window.  That how I distinguishe
them anyway.  Someone mentioned the wiper on the back being moved to the
bottom of the window, I don't think I have seen that on this side of the pond.

We have a third brake light at the bottom of the window on Australian
compliance cars.

 
Someone was mentioning that they has a car fitted twin air bags as it was to
be exported to Australia.  I would suggest that there is more to the
Australian spec cars than just twin air bags.  I think ther are some
differences in the level of anti rust treatments too that I have heard of
and pssibly lots more.  The Australian Design Rules (ADR) are pretty stringent.

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 20:30:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Broken Half Shaft.

Michael Wood asks...
 
> Anyways, how difficult is it to find the half shaft part in the diff? 
> How hard is it to replace? Does it require removing the whole rear 
> end or can I do it by dropping the srive shaft or something? I 
-

How brave are you???

You should open up the diff and clean out the metal filings and bits that
are bound to be there. You should also replace both half-shafts, since you
can bet if one broke, the other probably will be next.

If you are real brave, you can just drain the diff, extract the broken
piece, put in new half-shafts and fill up the diff with new 90wt. I would
consider that a quick emergency repair - you should still open up the diff
and clean it out at some point.

Everyone has thier own method of getting the broken piece out. I have a
piece of 3/8 inch steel rod, a little longer than the longer half-shaft. You
remove both half-shafts - just undo the six bolts holding the drive member
to the hub. Then, shine a flashlight into the side opposite from the broken
piece. You should be able to see the guts of the diff. There is a small
cross-shaft for the spider gears that crosses through the center of the
diff. The broken piece will be on the other side of that. The 3/8 rod will
just fit next to the cross-shaft. You fish the rod in until if just passes
the cross-shaft - check the position with the flashlight. When you are
satisfied that it is in place, tap the end of the rod with a hammer. It
should drive the broken piece out. You can then use a magnet on one of those
telescoping thingies to retrieve the piece from the other side. 

Now, if the axel was under a lot of stress and twisted badly, you will
probably not be able to drive out the broken piece. In that case, you will
have to open up the diff to repair it.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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From: SKOOKILL@aol.com
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 20:50:19 -0500
Subject: MAIL

SIGN ME UP,
SKOOKILL@AOL.com

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:56:21 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Trivia

On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, Alan Smedley wrote:

> >Today's trivia is extra simple  -  how can one differentiate a 1988 RR 4 

The gas filler is one external difference -- the others are the thicker 
black trim strip under the doors and the tailpipe pointing downwards 
rather than off to the side. Actually the gas filler wasn't moved until 
1991, when the fuel tank size went up.

Cheers

John Brabyn

89 RR

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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 18:46:38 -0800
From: Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand)
Subject: Re: Discovery Woes!

> From LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com  Thu Nov  9 16:33:12 1995
> On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, MR JAMES F MCHUGH wrote:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> > I have put 16m miles on a 95 Discovery in 6 months. I spent a lot
> Is that 16 MILLION miles???!!!

No... it's a lower case m, that means its 16 millimiles another record 
of sorts. Lets see (5280 ft/mile)*16/1000 = 84.480 feet in 6months.
Hmmmmm... sounds to like we have another Land Rover up on blocks ! :)
Get the rope boys !

-Doug
 

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:29:29 +1100 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: not LR, academic jobs in Australia

someone asked about postdoc in oz ? recently ?
there is `The Directory' of academic jobs online:
   http://www.mel.aone.net.au/thedirectory/

end of topic

Lloyd

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From: vogel@shrsys.hslc.org
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 22:47:45 EST
Subject: BMW Land

  The Detroit News (Nov. 1) quotes Pischetsrieder: "The Land Rover is a car
which climbs vertical walls and has a road-holding which doesn't match a 
passenger car. Where every other 4x4 gets stuck, the Land Rover won't. If there
would be such a thing as a BMW type of 4x4, it would possibly get stuck in the
mud - but it would be driving like a BMW on the road."  In other words, the 
CB40 platform will be used (in South Carolina) to build both a Land Rover 
compact 4x4 that is a true off-roader and a BMW compact 4x4 that will be a 
fast highway driver.  I hope they have done the market research on this.
  BTW, do the market research people know of the connection between border 
collie and Land Rover ownership.  Yes, I have a bc, too. Perhaps it is just 
animals.  I also have a racehorse (what used to be known as a "plater") and
probably need sheep for the dog and a goat for the horse.

Tom Vogelneed sheep for the dog and a goat for the horse.
1972 88" SW

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From: a-robw@microsoft.com
Subject: RE: Discovery quality control problems
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 19:29:53 -0800

>I've had my suspicions about my rear door and wonder if I might have the
>same problem. I'm the one with the creaky rear door that the dealer hasn't
>fixed yet. How did you know the door had been mounted wrong? Did you see
>something? Hear something? For me, it's not the noise, it's what it might
>mean that bugs.
Well, after a romp in the dirt, the kids and I drove the Disco through a car 
wash. When they started yelling and pointing to the waterfall cascading 
thtough the top seal of the rear door (and, yes, it WAS closed :-) I kinda 
thought something was amiss. Prior to that I wondered why the door sealed 
really tight at the bottom and barely at the top as well as looking slightly 
"wrong". They sent it to a body shop and it's been fine ever since.
    _____
   /|__|_\___                            Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

"I've been looking for mud in all the wrong places..."
C.W. song  (more or less)

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 00:56:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Ext. Sun Visor Wanted

Rick asks...

> Well,  my current want is one of those nifty bolt on exterior sun visors.
> Truthfully, I've never seen one in person, only in photos. Would like to
> find a used but decent one just to save a few bucks over the price of a
-

I've seen one that was home made.. Basically, you just need the dimensions
and then you could fabricate one from sheet metal.
 
> Oh, also, what about a good source (US) for the high lift jack, complete
> with brackets and fittings for exterior mounting, new or good used.
-

Here in central New York State we have a place called Central Tractor/Farm
and Family Center. That's where I got mine. $39 or $49, I just can't
remember - that was a couple of years ago. It is the 48" model. I made my own
mount for inside the truck - vertically behind the driver. Cost was about 2
or 3 dollars. Quick release or could be secured with a small padlock. Never
hit my head on it - even bouncing around on some pretty rough trails.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:04:40 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Re: Trakkers VS. Bat Fastard

Why is it that everytime I read something about Bat Fastards I first read
Fat Bastards ?;-)
LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
                ____
      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Dicovery,
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#  scarved for live
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
[|_/  \|_____|_/  \_|]
  ( o )        ( o )

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:29:12 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Re: Land Rover magazines

>Roy,
>(In English for the sake of the others on the list, I DO speak Dutch)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
>1957 DAF YA 126
>1973 Light Weight Land Rover
Daniel,

Leuk om een bericht te ontvangen van iemand uit de buurt! Bedankt voor het
telefoon nummer. Ik zal ze zeker bellen voor een proef exemplaar. Ik ben nu
nieuwsgierig gewoerden hoeveel Nederlanders er aangesloten zijn op deze
lijst. Wellicht dat er een keer iets te organiseren valt? Ik zelf heb in
Amsterdam gewoond( 30 jr ), maar woon nu in Almere en heb daar net een
aardig terrein ontdekt. Is er in het havengebied nog steeds een beetje te
rijden?

*********************** TRANSLATION *************************************
Daniel,

Its nice to receive a message from someone in the neigbourhood! Thanks for
the phone number. I will call them for a free trial-sample. I'm curious
about how many Dutchies are connected to this list. Maybe we can arrange
something oneday? I used to live in Amsterdam( 30 yrs), but have moved out
to Almere and I just happend to "discover" a nice terrain for off-roading.
Can one still drive off-road in the "havengebied"( free translation should
be harbour-area :-) )
*********************** END OF TRANSLATION ********************************
LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
                ____
      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Dicovery,
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#  scarved for live
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
[|_/  \|_____|_/  \_|]
  ( o )        ( o )

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:36:16 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Re: MAIL

>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
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What is this? The latest version of a new Startek episode? What happend to
Beam me up? 8^)
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Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 23:38:00 -0800
From: jcwhite3@well.com (John C. White, III)
Subject: Re: Steering wheel groaning

I'm afraid I don't have the service bulletin right off the bat, there,
Duncan, but I believe there was a factory defect in the 1960-1965 LROs that
caused the creaking noise.  The factory sent out some units with very little
lubricant where the upper arm fits into the shoulder.  Given the year of the
model, its no longer under warranty so you may be better and cheaper off
going to one of the aftermarket/parts places.

Hope this helps.  Let me know how it turns out.

Cheers!
John

At 09:44 09.11.95 -0500, Duncan Brown wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>All,
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>    so I can go to my dealer to have it fixed?
>    Thanks,
>    Duncan

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