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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 21:14:09 +1100 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: `grey' D110s

1. McNamara -  for Jory:
   extract from .../tildeLand-Rover/...
      McNamara (as of Dec 1994):
      25 Levanswell Rd., Moorabbin, Vic 3189, Australia,
      tel: 61-3-555-2213, fax: 61-3-555-0251
      L-R and RR diffs,  3.54, 3.73, 3.9, 4.1, 4.3, 4.7 ratios,
      with Salisbury axles.  Vacuum diff-locks for L-R and RR.
   (Looks like he's into vacuum locks now too.)
 
2. The following company have a 40 page mail-order catalogue
   and are manned by L-R nuts, keen to test the reach of the Internet:
      Four Wheel Drives,
      304 Middleborough Road, Blackburn South, Vic 3130, Australia
      tel: 03 9890 0509;  fax: 03 9898 6374
      Specialising in Land-Rover 1948-... and in RR

3. I can't recall the last msg about the "grey" D110s in N.A.,
   it's a bit academic to me, but here is some more news:

Lloyd

)Subject: Re:  Defender 110
)More info on the elusive Grey Market 110's.  We suspect they are in Canada.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
) )actually get to sight the 110s
) )Lloyd

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 13:57:00 +0100
From: Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl>
Subject: stuck in the harbour area in Amsterdam

Roy,

By coincidence my office is right next to the area you are referring to. 
Before we moved here I went there a few times in my DAF (this is a 1957, 
3300 kg ex Dutch army 4x4 truck).

This car is very sturdy but also a lot of work to drive. There is no power 
steering and finding the right gear is kind of difficult. I once went off 
road in the harbour area on a business outing with a director of another 
computer company. I let him drive the DAF and he immediately went for a 
large puddle which I'd just before managed to avoid. He got stuck. I said: 
"Well let me try and get it out". But to no avail it was well and truly 
stuck in the mud. It actually had its underside in the mud. It was winter 
and cold and we had to wait for other cars to get us out, but on a Saterday 
there's not much going on there (Sunday is the day) so we waited for a few 
hours.

Finally 2 small Suzuki's arrived and they connected their ropes and tried 
to pull. The DAF didn't move at all. The Suzuki's left.

We waited a little more. Then a group of cars lead by an off road 
instructor in a Range Rover (!) appeared. They were very helpful and tried 
several times to dislodge the DAF from the mud. No go.

Then we went to get spades and all of us started to dig. The Range Rover 
group pulled again, no movement whatsoever.

It was then decided to go and find somebody with a bulldozer. In the mean 
time a lot of my friends had arrived to help me and we went looking for a 
bulldozer and found a shovel.

The guy with the shovel we found was used to such requests. So off we went 
with the shovel to my DAF. The shovel went in ...... and got stuck as well.
Darkness was falling and it was getting colder, but no matter the guy had a 
digging machine available. So we got the digging machine. Feeling a bit 
naive I asked him if it were at all possible that this digging machine 
would get stuck. He laughed and said: "No way".

In the darkness the digging machine entered the terrain over a sandy path. 
It's lights were on (there is no street lighting there of course) and I was 
guiding it so it could avoid the larger holes. The digging machine arrived 
at the scene and started to dig. It dug and dug trying to get the shovel 
out. Then the digging machine got stuck as well. The shovel could drive up 
and down the hole the digging machine had dug but couldn't get out.

By then I was even contemplating calling the army and asking them to assist 
and old vehicle of theirs. This was not necessary the shovel guy said, what 
we needed was a tracked vehicle and the guy had one. Only problem was that 
tracked vehicles tend to destroy the pavement so we would need a truck to 
get it there. It was then near midnight, so we abandoned the vehicles 
temporarily and went home.

At home I was shivering uncontrollably from being out in the cold all day 
(at least that's what I thought). So I went and took a shower. There I 
noticed that my skin was red and swollen and that it looked very strange, I 
also had a little trouble breathing. I felt so bad I called the hospital, 
they said I would have to come in if it got any worse. Luckily it didn't 
and the next morning I found out that they dump polluted clay from the 
harbour at that site.

The following morning I made my way to the harbour site as soon as I could. 
I found the tracked vehicle already there. This made short work of the 
whole thing and extricated all the vehicles including my DAF.
Needless to say I was very very relieved to have it back again. I am now 
very much more careful if it has rained and I only do anything where I 
might get stuck when there are other 4x4's around....

Daniel

SYS, Supporting Your Systems B.V.
tel. +31 20 6136323

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:31:51 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Rover bicycle

Lest we forget, sportsfans, the *very first* Rover was a bicycle.  Or rahter 
a weird tricycle.  It appeared in 1880 as the "Rover Safety", which was 
modified a year later to become the predecessor of *all* modern bicycles.  
Vehicles didn't enter the picture for another twenty years. Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:31:54 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Vacuum guages

The vacuum guage is probably *the* most important engine instrument (after 
the oil pressure guage, that is).  If you read it correctly, it can point to 
a host of engine problems and is invaluable for finding just the right gear, 
say, second over rather than third when climbing that hill.  At idle, it 
should be around 21"; at open throttle, maybe 4".  Lower, you are lugging 
the engine.  Low reading (at idle) points to burned valves, worn rings or a 
leaking intake gasket/manifold.  A fluctuating reading could mean an exhaust 
leak (or worse).  

WRT the thread on 109 brakes, if you have air trapped in the CB 
("compression barrel") master cylinder, about the only way to get it out 
(other than bench bleeding) is to jack the front end skyward with a pair of 
high lifts.  Then, once the air is out of the master, you can fool with the 
wheel cylinders.
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: 10 Nov 95 08:41:23 EST
From: "John P. Casteel" <70472.557@compuserve.com>
Subject: Disco Tires

One of our friends on CompuServe needs to replace his Disco Tires.  He reports
that the tires are only available from the Dealer.  Is this true?  I hope not
so, what will fit his rims?  

Thanks from me for any help for him.

Cheers,  John 

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:51:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Trivia

 
Today's trivia is extra simple  -  how can one differentiate a 1988 RR 4 
door from a later model 1990?  Very subtle...  think about the exterior 
differences between a late IIA and a series III (besides the grill!)...
 
The exhaust on the 88 is out to the side? And the 90 is pointed down at
the pavement.

Howzat?
Jon

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Date:         Fri, 10 Nov 95 08:34:34 EST
From: Patty Burke <PBURKE@american.edu>
Subject:      Disco Woes

I have a 1995 disco with 6000 miles on it.  I bought it primarily for
driving on the beach around Hatteras, North Carolina and it served me
well my first try in October.  I had read in advance to expect annoying
defects like breaking plastic parts, door rattles, etc.  I haven't had
it in the shop yet (except for bumper replacement after someone rear-ended
me:  I had literally put the permanent tags on *5* minutes prior!).

However, I'm keeping a running list of annoying problems that I HOPE don't
indicate serious overall quality control problems with these vehicles:

1.  "squeaky" steering at temperatures of 40 degrees or below, until the
    car has warmed up a bit
2.  VERY quirky and unpredictable results using the remote control key
    to lock/unlock the vehicle (sometimes it locks all but the driver
    lock; sometimes the alarm goes off even though it opened all doors--
    the only way to stop it is to get back out of the vehicle, relock
    and unlock MANUALLY;  the right front passenger button now makes
    a horrific noise anytime the car is locked/unlocked)
3.  windows don't always go up or down with the power switches
4.  right rear turn signal sporadically blinks very rapidly instead of
    the steady blink of the left turn signal)
5.  the differential lock indicator doesn't always light up, even though
    it's definitely in gear (I was told this is "normal" -- why have the
    damn light if it doesn't mean anything)
6.  the horn is not operative on the right hand pressure points
    (not very convenient for us non-lefties)

I think I've probably left some things out.  I was really hoping to have
a reliable vehicle that I can drive for a VERY L-O-N-G time.  Some of the
recent posts make me wonder about the integrity of the electrical system,
among other things.  Have I made a HUGE mistake????  One of the reasons
I bought a Land Rover product was because I saw REALLY old, beat-up
Land Rovers still running on the same beaches I hope to travel for many
years to come--"they don't make 'em like they used to??"

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:14:25 GMT -0600
Subject: travel guides

For those arm chair travelers among us, and those heading out on/off the 
road, you may want to check out Lonely Planet. They have some of the 
best travel books (no overlanding catagory unfortunately) on the 
market. They used to have a catalog, but now the only remote access 
is at    http://www.lonelyplanet.com.au
They have shops in AU, US, UK & FR to name a few.

It's a slow connection unfortunately. I recommend the text link. Even 
with my direct Internet link I gave up on some of the pages.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:18:48 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Re: stuck in the harbour area in Amsterdam

Daniel,

It's funny that you mentioned it. I've had a similar experience in this
area. It was in 1988 and the winter started to fall in. I was then the proud
owner of a brand new Suzuki Samurai softtop and had no off-road experience
at all( as I see it now :-) ) After a few rides there I thought I was an
expert though.  So on a Thursday afternoon, after work I took a friend for a
ride in this area as it started to get dark. I drove over a small dike and
followed a nice track. Before I knew what happened the Suzuki got stuck with
its belly flat on the middle of the track and its weels hanging free. I send
my friend out to get some help from one of the nearby car centers and had
him phone our girlfriends telling them it would be a little late today....
Since the Suzuki was stock equipped the only tool I had was the jack( no
shovel no nothing :-( ). After two hours of hard labour I succeeded in
getting the d....d thing loose. The interior of the car was at least as
muddy as the exterior. I took me about half a day clean the car and then an
other half day to clean myself. I've always thought that they used this area
as a waste dump! But driving around in this area was great fun though. 
In a few occasions I've seen a DAF( een 1 tonner? ) driving around. I'am
wondering.....

LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
                ____
      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Dicovery,
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#  scarved for live
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
[|_/  \|_____|_/  \_|]
  ( o )        ( o )

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 09:24:25 EST
From: tdj@fore.com (Tom Des Jardins)
Subject: Re: Land Rover magazines

<snip>
 Thanks for
>the phone number. I will call them for a free trial-sample. I'm curious
<snip>

Just tried them, they didn't seem to know anything abut giving a trial
subscription, and the woman on the phone didn't know where I might find a
copy here.  She said I might try the editorial offices if I wanted to know
what places in the states carried the mag.  I'll try and call the editorial
offices monday and see if it's available in the states and if they have a
policy for a free trial.  Btw, the mag checks in at 48 pounds sterling,
otherwise I might have just given it a shot.

Oh, in my last post I forgot to mention that I don't really ever want to
work on auto engines again, and so you can bet the dealer's going to do
most of my greasy work.  Now I did replace my own antenna and the mirror I
broke off, but... I fixed too many engines as a kid because I was too
broke, so now I think I'll let someone else do that thank you very much.
If it was a sailboat engine mind you, I would fix that on the general
principle that you should be able to fix something your life depends on.

Thanks,

Tom Des Jardins
FORE Systems (412)635-3374  FAX 635-3333 url http://www.fore.com
Please note new phone numbers.  I am now at the McKnight road facility.

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:06:43 -0500
From: rthomas@postoffice.ptd.net (Randall B. Thomas)
Subject: Re: Do I *really* need to stop?

>> I know your frustration with bleeding. I'm looking for longer stronger
>> bleeders.  Do you know the trick involving  the needlenose vise grips and
>> cut fuel line?
>No. Clue me in. I'm collecting bleeding tips. :-)

LRO list: This trick seems to work for me but I am always looking for more
suggestions/shortcuts.  Does anyone have experience with the pressure
bleeders? Also, if you already know a way to successfully bleed your brakes,
then DON'T READ THIS! It probably won't work for you.

Tim,

Here's what you need to bleed IIA brakes: (MANDATORY)

Two pairs of cheap medium sized needlenose vise grips.

Some fuel line that will fit snug over the vise grip jaws.

A pair of ramps or a good hill.

2 feet of "clear" tubing that fits snug on the bleeders.

1 "clear" jar 1/3 full of new brake fluid.

Two friends.

If you're bleeding from dry, try to fill the system by gravity as well as
you can first. If it still has old fluid, then go right to the instructions:

Drive the car onto the ramps. Make sure the height is such that the master
cylinder body appears level.
Take the vise grips and cover the jaws with the fuel line.  Clamp the vise
grip over the left front flexible brake line tight enough that it blocks
flow. Clamp the other over the rear axle flexible line. Connect the tubing
to the right front bleeder with other end immersed in the jar of fluid.
Loosen the bleeder (yea, right).  Stay under there and watch tubing and have
friend #1 vigorously pump the pedal while friend #2 taps on the master
cylinder body repeatedly with a wrench, 7/16th open end seems to work, but
1/2 might do. When you see the fluid start to run clear and new, have friend
#1 slow down and then stop with the pedal to the floor. Tighten the bleed
screw.  Ask friend #2 to stop that annoying tapping sound.  Friend #1 can
now slowly pump the pedal until he feels good resistance.  Friend #2 can
have a new bottle of fluid at hand to keep the reservoir full.  Have friend
#1 hold pressure on the pedal while you loosen the bleed screw. When he/she
says they've reached the floor, tighten the bleeder.  Repeat this last
operation until the fluid is running absolutely clear.  It's important that
you use clear tubing cuz at this point the stuff in the jar could be cloudy
and you wouldn't know if it was running clear.

What you have now "hopefully" accomplished is a successful bleed of the
master cylinder and one wheel. The fast pumping and tapping is important as
it helps to wash any bubbles held by surface tension from the MCs internals.
If you didn't clamp the other wheels off, you would never know if you
accomplished this until you got them all bled. The pedal should feel pretty
good at this point.

Remove the clamp from the left front and put it on the right front flex
hose.  Repeat the bleeding procedure here although you can probably skip the
fast pumping step.  Then clamp this wheel off and go to the back.  When
you're done if there is any mushyness to the pedal, clamp off two hoses at a
time until you feel the one that is mushy.  Then you just rebleed that portion.

This procedure should take you about two hours, cost you 3-4 bottles of
fluid, 1-2 pizzas, and at least half a case of beer depending on your
friends.  Make sure no small children are around as there is usually alot of
yelling and swearing going on.

GOOD LUCK!

Randall Thomas, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania
67 series IIA 88", off-roading and commuting exclusively.
88 Range Rover, daily wifemobile.
2- 70 Rover P6B (3500S), one under resto. and another for parts.
72 Citroen SM Maserati Coupe, whenever I get the urge for a speeding ticket.
48' Studebaker 1-1/2 ton Pick'em up truck, just for fun.

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:52:13 -0500 (EST)
From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Re: Busted half-shaft

To the fellow who has the broken rear half shaft - here's my fool proof 
method of removal:
	1. Remove both shafts from the rear.
	2. Jack up the truck on the side with the broken shaft - to a 
	pretty significant angle.
	3. Take a long rod and with a grinder, smooth the end down so 
	that it is appx. .25 to .33 inches round and insert that end 
	into where the prop shaft would go - fiddle around until you feel 
	it slip into the diff where the broken piece is - gently tap until
	you feel or hear the broken piece become loose.  Because the car
	is tilted at an angle, the broken piece should fall almost to the 
	other end.
	4. Go around to the other side and take one of those magnets that 
	is attached to a telescoping rod (available at any hardware store)
	and insert it until the broken piece becomes attached and voila! 
	you can pull out the broken piece without having to do anything 
	nearly as painful as removing your rear diff!

As for the trivia question - again, Dixon was the only one pulling 
through with the correct answer - the door hinges of a 1988 RR are 
exposed (as are any prior to then) and a 1990 has hinges that are hidden 
behind the front portion of the door.

Which, inevitably brings me to the new questions - what was significant 
about the recent participation of the South African team in the Camel Trophy?
And how many different models of Land Rovers have been used in Camel 
history - which ones were they?

Frank Twarog
Burlington, VT

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:02:41 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: Waving

Well in Canada I often go up the winter road to an isolated community and 
don't see any one for up to 13 hours.  I often hope someone comes aloong 
just to wave to so I know I haven't died in the interum. Dave VE4PN

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Camel trivia
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:57:04 -0700 (MST)

Frank writes:

 Which, inevitably brings me to the new questions - what was significant 
 about the recent participation of the South African team in the Camel Trophy?

The first time SA has been allowed to participate (since a 1964? 
international ban on their participation in international sports).

 And how many different models of Land Rovers have been used in Camel 
 history - which ones were they?

Range Rover, 1981-82 and 1987; Series III 88, 1983; One Ten, 1984, 
1988-89; Ninety, 1985-86; Discovery, 1990-95.

Do I win a virtual rover?

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Panhards and Wooden Chassis
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 11:27:00 EST

Speaking of Frech cars and the prototype Land Rover with the wooden chassis 
mentioned here a while ago. Does anyone remember the "quaint little SAACVB"* 
from Peter Ustinov's Grand Prix of Gibralter? I was reputed to have a wooden 
engine!!
(* Societe Anonyme des Ancienne Constructeurs de Voiture en Bois)

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From: rpeng@cadev6.intel.com
Subject: RE: RR fuel economy - why so bad?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 9:17:13 PST

>To be honest, I agree that the Disco's fuel economy isn't wonderful. But in
>the context of all the other operating costs of the Discovery (including  fi
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>characteristics (they high center all the time, for example :-) The point is
>you can't have it all (at least not all at the same time!)

I agree that fuel cost is only part of the equation, but I still think that
Land Rover should do something about the gas mileage. The problem is that
the engine is designed in the 60's, and it's not really up to par no matter
how you refine it. 

In the future, I'd love to see a BMW engine installed in the Discovery. I
bet it'd not only give better gas mileage, it'd also be quieter and
be less leak-prone. 

-- 
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Roger Peng                                     (408)765-7863
Intel Corporation
Design Technology, Physical CAD
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: SLYKDYK@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:20:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Disco antennas

  A $35,000 vehicle with a 35 cent antenna! Ours snapped the first time it
came in contact witha shrub. The solid steel antenna on my GMC Sonoma is
better. Local
dealer says they will only replace with an authorized LR product and that it
is about
$150 in labor alone! They think the same antenna is around $40 from them. Pep
boys
will have it for $10 but it isn't LR. I don't want another cheap hand driven
telescopic
on anyway. Has any one else had this problem?..I've run out of tapes to play.

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:38:15 +0001
From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili)
Subject: Re: Disco Woes

>2.  VERY quirky and unpredictable results using the remote control key
>    to lock/unlock the vehicle (sometimes it locks all but the driver
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>    and unlock MANUALLY;  the right front passenger button now makes
>    a horrific noise anytime the car is locked/unlocked)

My experience, with LandCruisers though, is that when I drove in sandy/dusty
conditions I always had problems with the automatic door lockers. So it may
be the sand responsable for these horrific noises.

>5.  the differential lock indicator doesn't always light up, even though
>    it's definitely in gear (I was told this is "normal" -- why have the
>    damn light if it doesn't mean anything)

As I read my users manual well it says that the differential lock is *only*
locked/unlocked when the indicator is on/off. 
LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
                ____
      |   _____/|__||   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
      |  /(-8|  \   |   Avalon Green '95 Dicovery,
  ____|_/[]__|__\___|#  scarved for live
 |] __=|     |  __  |#
[|_/  \|_____|_/  \_|]
  ( o )        ( o )

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 15:33:19 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Another Land Rover for Parts

All, 

I should learn shouldn't I. This week I finally parted with "The Green Thing 
behind the garage". My old 61 SIIA. That went to Mike Carradine via DAP to 
help build his Land Rover. Such was mywife sick of seeing a shell of its 
former glory told me to get it out. So I did. 

Two nights ago the phone goes, I have a 71 SIIA, do you want to buy it ? Well 
who can refuse such an offer. Frame shot, floor gone, bulkhead good 
otherwise. All panels good, however, they have been painted red, without 
rubbing down the bodywork firts, now  the original blue is showing.  I 'm 
getting it for the engine to go into my 109. It had a tropical roof, that's 
gone. 

So once again, if anyone is looking for parts, I'm parting this one out. 

Mark

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:03:06 -0800
From: russ burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Disco antennas

My antenna on the D90 took three hits before it finally broke. I replaced it
with one of them spring loaded ones.

Russ Burns
91 R-Rover
84 D-90

At 12:20 PM 11/10/95 -0500, SLYKDYK@aol.com wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>  A $35,000 vehicle with a 35 cent antenna! Ours snapped the first time it
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>will have it for $10 but it isn't LR. I don't want another cheap hand driven
>telescopic
>on anyway. Has any one else had this problem?..I've run out of tapes to play.

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From: Treit Le <Treit_Le@apprise.com>
Date: 10 Nov 95 10:19:49 
Subject: Subject: buying 87 90 RR

>BTW, the one thing that scares me is that a replacement Catalytic Converter is
c$1200.

Looking at my service manual, the 105K '95 RR Classic service includes the 
replacement of the catalytic converter. Is this normal for all cars? or just 
RR's? My general attitude concerning exhaust systems has been to replace them 
when they start dragging;). Is there a stainless exhaust for my vehicle and 
does it improve power?

Mileage is now up to a whopping 14.5mpg.

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From: Treit Le <Treit_Le@apprise.com>
Date: 10 Nov 95 10:19:49 EDT
Subject: Subject: buying 87 90 RR

>BTW, the one thing that scares me is that a replacement Catalytic Converter is
c$1200.

Looking at my service manual, the 105K '95 RR Classic service includes the 
replacement of the catalytic converter. Is this normal for all cars? or just 
RR's? My general attitude concerning exhaust systems has been to replace them 
when they start dragging;). Is there a stainless exhaust for my vehicle and 
does it improve power?

Mileage is now up to a whopping 14.5mpg.

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 10 Nov 95 13:27:07 EST
Subject: Radio antennas for LR - an idea?

When I installed the stereo in my 109 pickup, rather than drilling the wing for 
an antenna I put on one of the roof-side mount types, as used tro be populsr on 
older American pickups and such.

With this, most of the antenna is protected by being alongside the roof, and 
the rest can be retractd below roof level when off-roading. 

Rather than fiddling around with tthe LR factory antenna (whatthehell does LR 
know about electronics anyway?) one of these might be a better idea....

     Al R.

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 10 Nov 95 13:53:28 EST
Subject: Re: Subject: buying 87 90 RR

>Mileage is now up to a whopping 14.5mpg.
 
And I thought my 109 pickup was bad at 16.....

   aj"Appreciating a new perspective..."r

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Subject: RoverWeb and OVLR pages
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:02:03 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

	It has come to my attention via various people that not everyone
can find  www.ridgecrest.ca.us.   (apparantly UK academic sites have the
most problems).  I dunno why this is true.  The *.us domain has been around
for over a year now (and specifically www.ridgecrest.ca.us ).  There must
be some screwed up DNS machines.

	Anyway, if for some reason your machines can't connect to the the
web sites, use the machines's IP address (which is 199.120.150.1).

http://199.120.150.1/RoverWeb/
http://199.120.150.1/OVLR/

	Sorry for the inconvienence.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:02:59 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Land Rover Bicycle

There are two wheel drive mountain bikes, and as a matter of fact I've been 
trying to find one for quite some time.  A few years ago, a sporting goods 
company called MacGreggor made several cheapy models, and they were received 
badly by the mountain bike community, so they stopped making them.  I'd like 
to have one, regardless of cheapness.  The principal of the 2-wheel drive 
consists basically of a very thick speedo cable between the rear and front 
wheels.  As readers of this list will know, all-wheel drive helps you going 
down hill as well as coming up, and the bike should be no exception.  Going 
down a slippery slope with brakes, the front wheel of a traditional bike 
tends to lock up and slide, but with direct linkage to the rear, they both 
must move at the same speed.  Going up hill, a rider naturally needs to lean 
out over the handle bars to keep the front wheel on the ground, but this 
tends to reduce downward force, and consequently traction, at the rear 
wheel.  But with 2-wheel drive...

-Matt

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:46:46 -0700
From: David Dodell <david@dental.stat.com>
Subject: Dual Airbags/'96 Discovery/Kids

I am the proud father of a brand new 1996 Discovery SE7 (two days and 100
miles) ... anyway, the 96 has dual airbags.  My wife and I heard someplace
that it is advisable NOT to put children in car seats in the front seat with
an airbag.  My son who is 3.5 yrs old, sits in a boster seat now, since he
is at the legal limit (40 lbs), that he can be sitting in a regular seat ...
but we feel more comfortable with him in his boster seat ..

Anyway, anyone know anything about this more definite?

David Dodell
---
Internet : david@dental.stat.com
WWW   : http://www.stat.com/~david
Telephone: +1-602-860-1121
FAX      : +1-602-451-1165

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:10:40 -0800
From: russ burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: RE: RR fuel economy - why so bad?

Actually my v8 rovers get good mileage around 50mph. It seems to me that if
you tune an engine for good low end torque, you will sacrifice some hi way
mpg. The weight, and telephone booth aerodynamics have a lot more to 
do with the MPG than the engine.. I get 18mpg at 60mph, 16 mpg at 75mph with 
the d-90, and the R-Rover gets 15 MPG with a roofrack at 75Mph
Russ Burns
91 D-90
94 R-ROver

At 09:17 AM 11/10/95 PST, rpeng@cadev6.intel.com wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 30 lines)]
>Design Technology, Physical CAD
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 13:16:02 -0600
From: Insoo@ceramatec.com (Insoo Bay)
Subject: Vulnerable Disco

Hi, all

It is one of the my habits  looking at the undercarrage of the vehicle from
time to time, spcecially after off road.  Recently, I have noticed that
steering damper was slightly bent after easy rocky terrain.  I don't feel
much differences in steering except it tends to shake when hit the bump.  I
am sure this damper will be attacked very easily since it located just
behind and only couple of inch higher than front differential. Is it
necessarry to replace now or wait until it will be out of order completely?
BTW, I have also looked into RR SE4.0, Defs , and found that only Disco has
this dangerous design (others' damper locates in front of and MUCH HIGHER
(I guess ~7 inch or higher) than diff.  Is there any reason?

P.S  front hub leak, misaligned steering wheel, cruise control, upward
pulled engine oil dip stick guide tube were fixed under warranty-nothing
major. so far 7500miles.

95 5-speed Discovery-my mistress

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 09:18:42 +1300
From: "Kerry Jones ext 4717 (NOTE NEW EXTENSION NUMBER)"
Subject: Series III/ Diesel Questions

Hi,

Couple of questions from a guy that I met on the side of the road last night
(I had to stop - he had the bonnet up)
He had just bought this series III Diesel

Can anyone remember what Land Rover Owner International Magazine had an 
article on fitting Free Wheeling Hubs. (i have all since april 1991)
How do you alter the idle speed of a Series III diesel
What is the part number for drivers door handle and release catch unit.

Thanks in advance , 

Kerry.

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:50:36 -0500
From: nadyne@bccom.com
Subject: Re:      Disco Woes

I'm having similar problems with the rear directional 
signals.  They work sporadically.  by the way, when they 
are blinking fast, they are *not* working!

I also find the windshield wipers leave a hazy smudge 
across the windows.  At first, I thought it was because it 
wasn't really raining hard - just misting.  But, the other 
night I drove home in a downpour and the same thing 
happened.  I almost had to pull off the road because I 
couldn't see anything with the lights from oncoming cars 
shining in my eyes.

My lumbar support isn't working (hasn't since I got it) 
and every once in a while, my seat sticks in the extreme 
forward position.

I'm planning to bring it in next week for my first service 
(2,500 miles) and am hoping they can put it all right.  I 
am also concerned.

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From: Admit1Fest@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:13:59 -0500
Subject: Consumer Reports Ratings on 1995 Land Rover Discovery

I am contemplating my first purchase of a vehicle manufactured by Land Rover
- the Discovery. Although I certainly like the vehicle, I am somewhat leery
of the purchase as a result of the terrible report offered recently by
Consumer Reports. The revue was the worst I have seen since the Yugo hit the
market. 

Many items noted in this revue included complaints about the excessively long
stopping distance on wet pavement, anemic acceleration, constant engine
noise, an awkward driving position, and numerous other complaints. Perhaps it
is the braking distance that most bothers me, as safety is a primary concern
for me.

My limited experience driving the vehicle has been very positive. I am
wondering if 1995 Discovery owners had any problems with their vehicles and
am curious as to the level of satisfaction. If anyone has actually purchased
a 1996 model, what are the significant changes verses the earlier models and
is the 1996 model significantly improved over the 1995 model.

I would certainly appreciate any assistance that can be offered.

Sincerely,

Mark Novey
Admit1Fest@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:24:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: Dual Airbags/'96 Discovery/Kids

David,

> I am the proud father of a brand new 1996 Discovery SE7 (two days and 100
> miles) ... anyway, the 96 has dual airbags.  My wife and I heard someplace

    The Disco has always had dual airbags in NAS trim, has it not?

> that it is advisable NOT to put children in car seats in the front seat with
> an airbag.  My son who is 3.5 yrs old, sits in a boster seat now, since he
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> but we feel more comfortable with him in his boster seat ..
> Anyway, anyone know anything about this more definite?

    Take this advice at your own risk (standard disclaimer when talking
    about use of life-saving devices...)

    I have seen a lot of press given recently to the dangers of placing
    REAR-FACING (infant) carseats in the front passenger seat of cars
    equipped with airbags.  The airbag could conceivably shove the
    carseat back into the vehicle's seat and harm the infant.

    As far as I know this is purely a theoretical problem; I haven't
    heard of any real-world injuries due to this, but they have done
    some tests with dummies that weren't real encouraging.  I've seen
    some new vehicles with a keylock to disable the passenger-side
    airbag for such situations.

    I believe with a booster seat you're OK with the passenger-side
    airbag.

    Duncan

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:35:59 -0500
Subject: Dutch?

You wrote  "about how many Dutchies are connected to this list. Maybe we can
arrange
something oneday? I used to live in Amsterdam( 30 yrs), but have moved out"

I too enjoy seeing the contributions from the Netherlands.  I worked there
for 6 months in 1987 starting up a chrome line for GE at Hoogovens in Wyk en
Zee (spelling?) and lived in Haarlem and Castricum  (sorry for the
spelling.... its been a few years).

What the Netherlands lacks for in hills and mountains it makes up for in an
abundance of mud.  At least where I lived....   I would love to return for a
visit and do some off-roading this time!

Gerry 
Phoenix  AZ

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 16:43:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: Disco Woes

++ 1.  "squeaky" steering at temperatures of 40 degrees or below, until the
++     car has warmed up a bit

++ 2.  VERY quirky and unpredictable results using the remote control key
++     to lock/unlock the vehicle (sometimes it locks all but the driver

++ 3.  windows don't always go up or down with the power switches

++ 4.  right rear turn signal sporadically blinks very rapidly instead of
++     the steady blink of the left turn signal)

++ 5.  the differential lock indicator doesn't always light up, even though
++     it's definitely in gear (I was told this is "normal" -- why have the

++ 6.  the horn is not operative on the right hand pressure points

    OK, I want you to go back and re-read each of those complaints...
    and then read this...

> among other things.  Have I made a HUGE mistake????  One of the reasons
> I bought a Land Rover product was because I saw REALLY old, beat-up
> Land Rovers still running on the same beaches I hope to travel for many
> years to come--"they don't make 'em like they used to??"

    ...and tell me exactly how many of those problems you think the
    average Series Land Rover owner is going to suffer from!  We may not
    be able to go fast up hills, our rear vision may be obscured from
    the splattered 90W blown up on the rear window, there may be more
    electrical tape than wire behind the dash, but I guarantee you not a
    one of us has *ever* had a problem with the remote door lock
    system...

    I'm really not trying to come across as offensive, but another
    perspective is the attitude of someone who drives a new vehicle vs
    someone who drives one that's 30 years old.  If your turn signal
    blinks fast, you take it back to the dealer.  If my turn signal
    blinks fast I walk around the car and see which light is out, and
    find the problem and fix it.  Part of car ownership.

    In the ways that matter, your Land Rover is going to live up to its
    heritage and then some.  You can get almost anywhere, and get back
    out again; your aluminum body will last almost forever; you can
    repair any ailment and keep it running forever.  In terms of the
    convenience/luxury items that crank the price up to $30K, things may
    not always meet your satisfaction.  My (limited) experience with
    other new expensive vehicles has led me to believe this is true no
    matter what the vehicle or manufacturer.

    It simply isn't fair to say "Land Rovers have a reputation for being
    indestructible" (which is true in the big picture), and then try to
    apply that statement to every little doodad in the vehicle.  Stuff
    happens, as they say....  the day your Disco leaves you stranded,
    *then* you have a complaint.  I'm here to tell you the odds of that
    are *much* lower with the Disco than just about any other vehicle.

    Duncan, trying not to sound like a holier-than-thou 1960 SII owner,
    just talking common sense.

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:50:22 -0700
From: David Dodell <david@dental.stat.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Airbags/'96 Discovery/Kids

At 04:24 PM 11/10/95 -0500, Duncan Brown wrote:

>    I have seen a lot of press given recently to the dangers of placing
>    REAR-FACING (infant) carseats in the front passenger seat of cars
>    equipped with airbags.  The airbag could conceivably shove the
>    carseat back into the vehicle's seat and harm the infant.

I have seen this too.

>    I believe with a booster seat you're OK with the passenger-side
>    airbag.

I thought so too, but does anyone know who you should contact for definitive
information on this?

David Dodell
---
Internet : david@dental.stat.com
WWW   : http://www.stat.com/~david
Telephone: +1-602-860-1121
FAX      : +1-602-451-1165

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:14:45 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re:      Disco Woes

On Fri, 10 Nov 1995 nadyne@bccom.com wrote:
<snip>
> I also find the windshield wipers leave a hazy smudge 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> couldn't see anything with the lights from oncoming cars 
> shining in my eyes.

This is most often due to grime on the wiper blades- from road grit or 
deterioration of the rubber from ?air pollution.
Rubbing the edge of the rubber blade with a cotton ball dipped in rubbing 
alcohol will renew the surface of the blade. You can achieve the same
effect if you let a few drops of gasoline spill onto the corner of a 
paper towel at the end of your next fill-up, and wash the blades with the 
damp towel. You will also have a bit of that "just worked on my car" 
smell if you use gasoline instead of rubbing alcohol :-) 

David
'94 NAS D90

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From: ecoethic@rcinet.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:32:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Exterior Sun-Visors

I have an original sun-visor on my 72 Series III along with the tropical roof. I have 
found it to be an excellent combination for keeping the interior cooler. I rarely have 
to use the interior sun-visor, but I do have to stoop down to see traffic lights. It 
also seems to give the Rover a military half-track look.

It has been mentioned that cracks appear on the leading edge, which is quite true, I 
have one on mine. It seems that when you get it up to highway speed it flutters a 
lot, and that eventually leads to a crack. Mine started to get worse during a trip to 
Moab, Utah two years ago, so I did a field repair by riveting a three-quarter inch 
aluminum pipe along the full length of the visor just under the lip. It blends in 
nicely, stops the fluttering, and makes it stronger to resist branches and brush. I 
polished the top surface of the visor along with the top part of the tropical roof 
this past summer, and finished it with DuPont clear Urethane. Definitely unique.

As far as fabricating one goes, I am sure its possible, but would it be birmabright 
and would the side braces be galvanized? Get a used one if you can find it, or 
spring for a new one while they still exist.

Another advantage of the visor is that it extends completely over the windshield 
even though it is slanted, hence when it snows or there is freezing rain and no 
driving wind, the windshield is clear when you come out in the morning. A possible 
disadvantage is the non-aerodynamic qualities it possesses. But, really, since when 
does a flying brick need to be concerned about that! As Cheech Marin would say, 
"I don't need no stinkin streamlining." I cruise at an honest 60 mph when on 
Interstates, and it is fully capable of going 75 mph. I think the spare tire runs 
interference for it at higher speeds.

Walt Pokines
Tipp City, Ohio

1960 Ser II, 1966 Ser IIa, Two 1972 Ser III's, No Range Rovers, No Discoveries, 
Will accept donations of D90's

------------------------------

From: mcdan@rt66.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 17:16:13 +0000
Subject: Re: Panhard

> Jeremy Bartlett wrote
> >Russ W. wants to know.....
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> French?  RUN AWAY!  RUN AWAY!... no wait a minute,  hold on .. BURN IT! BURN IT!
> Cheers
> Jeremy ("je deteste les automechaniques francaises") Bartlett
What a Sheep shot!

Daniel McDonough                           mcdan@rt66.com
'95 D90 (6500 miles - No Oil Leaks Yet :-)  17 MPG

------------------------------

From: mcdan@rt66.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 17:16:13 +0000
Subject: Re: Panhard

> Jeremy Bartlett wrote
> >Russ W. wants to know.....
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> French?  RUN AWAY!  RUN AWAY!... no wait a minute,  hold on .. BURN IT! BURN IT!
> Cheers
> Jeremy ("je deteste les automechaniques francaises") Bartlett
What a Sheep shot!

Daniel McDonough                           mcdan@rt66.com
'95 D90 (6500 miles - No Oil Leaks Yet :-)  17 MPG

------------------------------

From: mcdan@Rt66.com (Dan McDonough)
Subject: RE: Panhard
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 17:30:24 -0700 (MST)

> Jeremy Bartlett wrote
> >Russ W. wants to know.....
> >> Panhard?????? Panhead, I know.  Panhard....Hmmm Tell us a story 

about the 
> >> mystical Panhard.
> snip
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> >Mike
> French?  RUN AWAY!  RUN AWAY!... no wait a minute,  hold on .. BURN IT! 
BURN IT!
> Cheers
> Jeremy ("je deteste les automechaniques francaises") Bartlett
> >Its French. Need I say more??

What a Sheep shot!

Daniel McDonough                           mcdan@rt66.com
'95 D90 (6500 miles - No Oil Leaks Yet :-)  17 MPG

------------------------------

From: "Tim Chapman" <CHAPMAN@mail.navmat.navy.gov.au>
Date:          Tue, 7 Nov 1995 07:29:34 +1000
Subject:       Disco Steering Problems

From:                 Self <SUPPORT/CHAPMAN>
Subject:           RE: Disco Steering Probs
Date sent:            Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:18:39

My Oct 94 Discovery developed a squeak in the steering column after 
about 15000kms.  The dealer couldn't (or wouldn't) rectify the 
problem.   The squeak disappears when the cabin heats up and in the 
recent warm weather didn't even offer a squeak first thing in the 
morning. - Just another landie character trait I guess.

Tim Chapman
 94 Discovery

------------------------------

From: "Tim Chapman" <CHAPMAN@mail.navmat.navy.gov.au>
Date:          Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:56:07 +1000
Subject:       (Fwd) Disco Steering Problems

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From:          Self <SUPPORT/CHAPMAN>
Subject:       Disco Steering Problems
Date:          Tue, 7 Nov 1995 07:29:34

From:                 Self <SUPPORT/CHAPMAN>
Subject:           RE: Disco Steering Probs
Date sent:            Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:18:39

My Oct 94 Discovery developed a squeak in the steering column after 
about 15000kms.  The dealer couldn't (or wouldn't) rectify the 
problem.   The squeak disappears when the cabin heats up and in the 
recent warm weather didn't even offer a squeak first thing in the 
morning. - Just another landie character trait I guess.

Tim Chapman
 94 Discovery

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 17:42:35 PST
From: "BREAKFIELD ERNEST" <breakfield.ernest@smtpgateway.centigram.com>
Subject: Re: RR fuel economy - why so bad?

        now i don't feel so bad about having to slog around in the Jeep! 
     190 hp, 230 ft/lbs... and 16-23 mpg!

> Subject: RR fuel economy - why so bad?
> Author:  jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben) at smtpgateway

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
> Otto cycle is the same for US and UK vehicles, must be the creature comforts on 
> the RR: AC/stereo/cell-phone ?  (trolling... trolling...)

------------------------------

Date: 10 Nov 95 22:26:52 EST
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: Reply to: Re:      Disco Woes

 >> I also find the windshield wipers leave a hazy smudge
 across the windows.  At first, I thought it was because it
 wasn't really raining hard - just misting.  But, the other
 night I drove home in a downpour and the same thing
 happened.  I almost had to pull off the road because I
 couldn't see anything with the lights from oncoming cars
 shining in my eyes. <<

 You might try putting a coat of RAIN-X on the windshield. I had a similar
problem when I replaced the windshield on another car, and even when this
stuff had worn of enough to require using the wipers, it allowed the wipers to
work much better. My windshield never again got to the state that it first
came in.

 Rob

     -------------------
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|
   |     |   ###   |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |     | ####### |     |      1990 RangeRover
   |_____|_#######_|_____|
  [_______________________]
     |\/|           |\/|

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 10-Nov-1995

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:14:23 -0600 (CST)
From: wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Henry B. Wilson)
Subject: D90 air conditioning

How effective is the optional A/C that is so LandRovishly expensive?  Why
the hell does it cost so much?

Henry B. Wilson                 http://vumclib.mc.vanderbilt.edu/~wilsonhb
henben@aol.com (currently most reliable) or wilsonhb@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu

    ____
   /[__]\___            
  |   |  |  \   '94 Disco                     '59 AHY 100-6
  |---|__|___\____     
  |o _|= |=  |o_  }O                           _____/_______
 [|_/ \__|___|/ \_}|                          [/ \_____/ \__} 
    \_/       \_/                              \_/     \_/ 

   "The Healey's clean; the Rover's filthy.  Life is perfect."

P.S. I wave

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:16:16 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: External sun visors

ROAV had a dozen fabricated three years ago...now sold out.  The pattern is 
still on disk at the sheet metal place, and can be easily put back into 
production.  The brackets are galvanized, with an aluminum visor (I forget 
the guage).  Sturdy enough to withstand the footfalls of the neighborhood 
urchins when they use the Rover as playground equipment.  The last time, we 
were selling them for $70, $60 to club members - disassembled and unpainted 
of course - plus shipping.  If enough folks want one, I'll check on a new 
price.  We need at least six orders to have new ones made up.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:49:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Ace Ventura

Saw the new Ace Ventura movie tonight.

It is stupid.
It is funny.
It is very funny. :)

And, it has some very nice looking Land Rovers.. IIa and III.
You won't believe what they do to the Rovers.

That's all I'm gonna say. You just have to go see it.

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 12:48:28 +0800
From: Oscar Montelibano <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: '89 NAS RR exhaust manifold for JE 4.5 short block

Just got a 4.5 JE short block from Lanny at RN for installation on an '89
NAS RR located here in the Philippines.  I'm considering replacing the stock
exhaust manifolds with less restrictive ones.  Will it really help unleash
the 4.5's potential?

Can you blokes in the UK suggest a respectable export supplier?  Are
Janspeed systems any good?

Anyone got a a good recipe for Yorkshire pudding?

TIA and have a nice weekend.

Oscar

Oscar Montelibano
omont@mnl.sequel.net
75247.2423@compuserve.com
Philippines

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:52:04 +0800
From: Oscar Montelibano <omont@mnl.sequel.net>
Subject: Yoshio Koseki/magazine subscriptions

Can you post or email the subscription guy's address.  Emailed to the
address you gave but mail returned.

Thanks.

Oscar
Oscar Montelibano
omont@mnl.sequel.net
75247.2423@compuserve.com
Philippines

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:13:51 -0800
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Broken Half-Shaft

Re where to get replacement halfshafts, try Rovers North in Vermont (802 879
0032) or British Pacific in Burbank CA (800 554 4133).

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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 23:26:11 -0800 (PST)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: Yoshio Koseki/magazine subscriptions

On Sat, 11 Nov 1995, Oscar Montelibano wrote:

> Can you post or email the subscription guy's address.  Emailed to the
> address you gave but mail returned.

Oscar,

This person, if inded there was a person involved, was not a part of the 
LRO, and may have been representing a fraud.  Several people mentioned 
that they tried to respond directly to him and the other addresses listed 
and they all were returned.  Nobody has mentioned contacting the 
advertised service, but given that Yoshio turned out to be a fake, I'd 
forget the whole thing.

Walt Swain

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