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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 01:14:08 -0800
From: don@direct.ca (donald l. macdonald)
Subject: engine swap

        

        My friend has a IIa 109 and its main use is for city driving with
lots of hills.  He had his four cylinder rebuilt 45,000 kms ago and its
already time to do some major work.  Does anyone have any info about putting
a chevy V6 in or whatever the comman conversion is.  Here are some of things
we were thinking about.  Engine mounting brackets, where to buy them or some
specs to build them?  Fuel injected vs. carburaters, Has anyone done a fuel
injected modification?  Old Steering box in the way, move it or replace it
with something else?  Power steering, is it a good idea not?  Transmision
adapter plates, where do we get thoughs?  Any info would be much appreciated.

        Thanx, Don
__________________________________________________________
Don MacDonald <don@direct.ca>
North Vancouver, BC
Canada

1966 Series IIa 88 (restored)

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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: LRs in Movies/TV Shows
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 04:35:51 -0600 (CST)

I know someone was keeping a list of LR's in movies, but are
they also doing TV shows?

I was watching "The New Avengers" this weekend and there was a white
Range Rover which had Joanna Lumley and her partner driving in circles
through a field while trying to "get a fix on a radio transmitter" and
making sexual innuendos the whole time.  The name of the episode was
"The White Rat" I think...pretty funny - (the entire show I mean.  I
can't tell if they're trying to play serious drama, or it's a comedy)

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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: Virgin Airlines
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 04:46:54 -0600 (CST)

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but if you fly on
their business class (they call it upper class) on Virgin Airlines,
they have a limo service where they will pick you up from and drop you
off at the airport.  I had to go to Hong Kong recently for work and I
got a ride in the new Range Rover.  It wasn't a 4.2, but had a 2.5 BMW
TD I was told.  It was so quiet, I couldn't tell it was a diesel from
sitting inside.  The adjusting ride height was pretty cool too.  The
driver was showing it to me at a stoplight and the lady in the BMW
next to us was giving us funny looks!

You also get to keep a little glossy booklet about the RR and disco
which was put together by Virgin.  Neat!

There was a story about why Richard Branson chose a fleet of RR's to
use for his limo service, anyone remember the details of it?

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 05:31:04 -0700
From: Mark Murphy <Mark.Murphy@evolving.com>
Subject: Squeaky Steering Wheel

John,

With the onset of cold weather in Colorado, I have also noticed a squeaky
steering wheel. So far, it only squeaks in cold weather. I have a '95
Discovery with about 3400 miles. I believe it is temperature related
since I haven't done a 4WDing lately. Would have expected just the opposite
to happen since "things" expand in heat and contract in cold. Maybe some
insulation is binding in the cold? Let us know what you find.

thanks,
Mark
'95 Discovery
mmurphy@evolving.com

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: ECU location
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 95 07:49:00 EST

As a Series/Non ECU owner water isn't a real problem to me, but regarding 
the relocation of ECU thread. Why not install it in a console at roof level 
? This way the driver has to drown before the ECU gets wet and also the 
fault code display will be easily readable without adopting a contortionist 
pose.

Trevor Easton

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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 08:12:00 -0500
From: Stephen Thomas <stephen.thomas@tridom.com>
Subject: Re: Disco Steering Probs

John Asks:

>I'm writing about my wife's '95 Disco(10,200 miles) which for the last week
>has had a squeaking/moaning sound in the cabin when the steering wheel is
>turned either left or right.

Same problem with my '94. When I had it fixed (under warranty) the
receipt came back "Power steering fixed per Service Bulletin #xxx" or
some such, so it's apparantly a common problem. (Sorry, I don't have
the exact text or number in front of me. If your dealer gives you
problems, drop me a line and I'll quote you the full text.)

BTW. I'm a Disco owner and I always wave.

--Stephen

____________________________________________________________
Stephen Thomas
AT&T Tridom                 Phone: (770) 514-3522
840 Franklin Court          Fax:   (770) 514-3491
Marietta, GA 30067  USA     Email: stephen.thomas@tridom.com
(Until 1Dec95, the previous area code of 404 also works.)

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From: William Terry <wterry@sartre.minerva.bah.com>
Subject: HELP: no go at 30 miles
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:36:45 -0500 (EST)

The problem started after I had had a new tranny and clutch installed on 
my military IIA. La Rana (the frog) lost power around thirty miles on the 
way home. After much trouble shooting (much misdirected trouble shooting) 
I determined that the fuel filter was stopping the fuel flow. It was a 
glass type with changable filter element. I couldn't see a junk and 
figured that there was something in the couple of inches of fuel line 
attached at each end of the filter which attach it to fuel system. When I 
removed the fuel filter with associated couple of inches of line at each 
end the fuel didn't drain. I figured it was a flap of rubber line 
blocking it. Opened the filter, drained it and never found the problem. I 
replaced the complete filter and attaching fuel line pieces and 
everything seemed fine. Drove La Rana about 30 miles and it did the same 
thing. I've added new gas, different gas station. It appears that it doesn't 
matter which tank I use. I rebuilt the fuel pump so the diaphram should 
be good. The fuel going into the pump bowl is apple juice colored. One 
tank is 6 mos old and tar-type coated. Other is ? and waxoil coated.

This is my daily driver. Any advice, ideas or experiences?

TIA, Bill

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Disco Lights
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 95 08:23:00 EST

Alan, I have some pictures of Polly and Ester, just the the 8000# winch.

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From: "Craig R. Jett" <cjett@voicenet.com>
Subject: RE: Disco Steering Probs
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:58:49 -0500

I would very much like to have this in hand when going to the dealer.  If it's not to much trouble, and you don't have to dig for it,
could you post that Service Bulletin number.  My dealer, so far, has not been stellar at service (forgetting to tighten seat after
removal is just one), I'm sure it will save me a lot of time if I can go in and say here fix this.
Thanks in advance,
Craig
95 Disco and I always wave also 

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From: 	Stephen Thomas[SMTP:stephen.thomas@tridom.com]
Sent: 	Monday, November 06, 1995 8:12 AM
Subject: 	Re: Disco Steering Probs

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John Asks:

>I'm writing about my wife's '95 Disco(10,200 miles) which for the last week
>has had a squeaking/moaning sound in the cabin when the steering wheel is
>turned either left or right.
Same problem with my '94. When I had it fixed (under warranty) the
receipt came back "Power steering fixed per Service Bulletin #xxx" or
some such, so it's apparantly a common problem. (Sorry, I don't have
the exact text or number in front of me. If your dealer gives you
problems, drop me a line and I'll quote you the full text.)

BTW. I'm a Disco owner and I always wave.

--Stephen

____________________________________________________________
Stephen Thomas
AT&T Tridom                 Phone: (770) 514-3522
840 Franklin Court          Fax:   (770) 514-3491
Marietta, GA 30067  USA     Email: stephen.thomas@tridom.com
(Until 1Dec95, the previous area code of 404 also works.)

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From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.mee.com>
Subject: LRs in Movies/TV Shows
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:50:12 +0000 (GMT)

Vel Natarajan writes:
> 	I was watching "The New Avengers" this weekend and there was a white
> 	Range Rover which had Joanna Lumley and her partner driving in circles

The white Range Rover belongs to the charater Mike Gambit (played by Gareth
Hunt) pops up in quite a few episode (ie whenever the Red Jaguar XJ-S isn't
appropriate).

John Steed's character (Patrick McNee) has a British Racing Green Range Rover
which also appears from time to time.
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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: RoverWeb pilfered??
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 11:44:05 GMT

Pilfered? As far as *I* can determine,nothing has been
pilfered.I can access it perfectly all right,so it *cnat*
have been pilfered.
The idea,however,of a *general* item such as this being
controlled by a club,or organisation is repugnant to me.
"Under the umbrella of.." has connotations I cannot like.
Of course,chances are that the person doing the work *will*
be the member of a club,but since in this instance the club
in question has its *own* page,I fail to see what the complaint
is all about!
I have no doubt that LROA could,if it so wished,have its own
club page,the better to advertise its aims and ambitions,as
well as its club activities,ie Rallies,Comp Safaris,RTV Trials
etc,which,like most other clubs,I have equally no doubt,it runs
a good many.
As for objecting to a Canadian club having its home on an American
site,this strikes me as petulance of no mean order.A bit like"Its
*my* ball,and if you dont do as I say,I'll take it home..so there".
Even if it *was* true that its an Americna Govt site(which it isnt)
it strikes me as an excellent way of getting some tax money back!
I always thought this was the INTERnational NETwork,or the WORLD
Wide Web.
This altercation has all the hallmarks of someone who assumes that 
"The thought is the deed".Unfortunately this is never the case,and
its of little use getting upset when someone else ploughs in and does
the work.And very well,too,IMO,I might add.
Yours etc
Mike Rooth

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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:09:29 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

	[squeak when turning steering wheel on Disco]

Mine had the same problem.

It's the little rubber bootie that seals the hole in the firewall where the
steering shaft goes through.

It's supposed to be lubed at the factory, sometimes they don't put enough
lube on.  The fix is five minutes and the proper goo.

LRNA knows about the problem and will fix it for free.

	-Bill

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:31:08 GMT -0600
Subject: RE:  Subject:       ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide

If anybody comes up with a real return address for this bloke, let me 
know. I'd like to send a few messages to him
These are all unknown addresses, mail returned
 yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03255@niftyserv.or.jp, agc03895@niftyserv.or.jp

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:37:57 GMT -0600
Subject: RR in the movies

I finally got around to seeing "Father of the Bride" with Steve 
Martin. While they are at the wedding coordinator's premisis, you can 
see out the window a RR drive up and park. Big deal huh?

Was it "Roxanne" where Steve Martin is the firefighter with a LWB LR 
parked in his carport?

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 09:37:39 -0500
From: Stephen Thomas <stephen.thomas@tridom.com>
Subject: Re: Disco Steering Probs

Gentle Readers:

Since the Disco steering problem seems to be fairly widespread,
I dug out my service receipt and have quoted it in full below.
(Except that my original is all caps.) Hope this helps.

    D Check for steering column squeak on turns when cold
    Cause: F
       57400199 Repair Steering Column Squeak per Bulletin
                590 WPR 0.25                              (N/C)
                3 BTR9437 Fastener, TR                    (N/C)
       FC: Part#: Count:
       Claim Type:
       Auth Code:

    23210 57.40.01/99 .25hrs fix steering column squeak

--Stephen

____________________________________________________________
Stephen Thomas
AT&T Tridom                 Phone: (770) 514-3522
840 Franklin Court          Fax:   (770) 514-3491
Marietta, GA 30067  USA     Email: stephen.thomas@tridom.com
(Until 1Dec95, the previous area code of 404 also works.)

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From: Vel Natarajan <nataraja@cig.mot.com>
Subject: Re: LRs in Movies/TV Shows
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:42:00 -0600 (CST)

Richard Jones writes:
>Vel Natarajan writes:
>> 	I was watching "The New Avengers" this weekend and there was a white
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>John Steed's character (Patrick McNee) has a British Racing Green Range Rover
>which also appears from time to time.

In that case, I guess it would be pointless to keep track of LRs in TV
shows.  There would be too many in the UK programs to count.  Oh
well...

Vel
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Vel Natarajan                            Phone:  +44-1793-556-742
Motorola Inc.                            Fax:    +44-1793-430-987
Email:  nataraja@cig.mot.com             Mobile: +49-171-854-6670
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From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 95 10:08:35 EST
Subject: Re: Range Rover Brake Squeal

     Kevin,
     
     I went to the local NAPA store on Saturday afternoon and bought some 
     stuff they had on display. There was a whole rack of adhesive patches 
     (but none listed for the RR). I bought a pack that looked large enough 
     and trimmed them down. They appear to be some kind of a rubber 
     compound, not soft aluminium. The squeal has gone!! It will be 
     interesting to see how it holds up after prolonged use. They cost a 
     little over $3 for the pack.
     
     Thanks for the help
     Mike

> Subject: Brake Squeal
> Author:  KKelly6788@aol.com at inetmail
> From: KKelly6788

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 34 lines)]
> but these have worked better for me.  Most foreign auto parts stores here in 
> California sell them.

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From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.mee.com>
Subject: Virgin Airlines
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:13:31 +0000 (GMT)

Vel Natarajan writes:
> 	There was a story about why Richard Branson chose a fleet of RR's to
> 	use for his limo service, anyone remember the details of it?

He was involved in a serious accident on a Motorway with all his family, plus a
friend of his daughters in his own Range Rover, which resulted in the Range
Rover sliding on its side for some distance along the carrageway.

After some assitenance releasing the occupants from their seatbelts all
walked away unharmed (baring minor cuts or bruses).

Richard Branson's opinion was that he and his family would have been killed
had he been driving anything else (a Police Officer that witnessed the 
incident had a similar view), and that his customers should be transported
in a similarly safe way.

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:19:55 -0500
From: Randy Parker <rparker@roving.com>
Subject: Re: Disco Steering Probs

Had a similar problem in 94 Disco early on but only when vehicle was cold --
dealer replaced steering column bushing under warranty and indicated it was
not the first time they had seen this problem.  Hope this helps!

--RP

At 08:26 AM 11/5/95 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm writing about my wife's '95 Disco(10,200 miles) which for the last week
>has had a squeaking/moaning sound in the cabin when the steering wheel is
>turned either left or right.  ...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Randy Parker, Roving Software Inc., Brookline, MA, USA
   Email:  rparker@roving.com
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 07:47:05 -0800
From: cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us (Christopher Boese)
Subject: Re: monash access time

It's much quicker now (i.e., Tuesday 02:45 Australian EST according to
http://www.vicnet.net.au/cgi-bin/date.) Cool.

>I'd be interested to know how long it takes
>to load a page *on Monday Australian EST after 12 noon*
>after it has been fixed up
>Lloyd

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office

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From: Treit Le <Treit_Le@apprise.com>
Date:  6 Nov 95 10:27:16 
Subject: Picking up new RR

Picked it up. Love it. The salesman took it over a very short obstacle course 
with a 30 degree lean and a 40 degree climb. Pretty amazing to me. I thought we 
would flip for sure. I guess its old hat for you guys. Then I bugged him for 
test drives in the Defender and Disco. The Defender is a great looking truck 
and can go anywhere, but it incredibily uncomfortable. I find it difficult to 
believe that it has the same suspension as the Disco. Still want one though. 
The Disco is as nice as the RR, and I could not detect much difference between 
the RR air vs. the Disco coil suspension. They wanted $42K for a heavily 
optioned SE7!!!

Availability at the Glen Cove, NY dealership
Defender - a couple left, then they are gone, get on it guys
Defender SW - can order
Disco - a couple available now, any color, spec or option can be gotten in 4-6 
weeks, no dealing
Classic - 1 black left, price negotiable
4.0 - SOLD OUT for the next few months
4.6 - can order
Some of the above are available as demos immediately.

The dealership - The RR was not well prepped. Looked like they ran it through a 
car wash and sprayed Armor-All on the dash. There were smudge marks on the 
interior, engine compartment was dirty and the space between the tailgate and 
the bumper was very dirty. The wood trim looked like they had let the Armor-All 
dry instead of wiping it off. Definitely not the same level of detail that my 
buddy's recently purchased MB400SE w/ 47k miles had. One major ding on the rain 
gutter which looked like someone had bitten a chunk out of it. The dealer said 
that they would replace the rain gutter. It looks spot welded so who knows. 
Couple small door dings which needed bright light and the right viewing angle 
to see. OK for a 1799 mile demo I guess.

Picnic basket - I got a free picnic basket filled with goddies and some Nassau 
county wine (bleh!) just for buying a RR.

Mileage - 11 mpg so far, hopefully this beast is not broken in yet.

Next step, Montauk.

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:46:06 -0800
Subject: Re: Discovery Woes

On Nov 4, 12:02am, Matt Neibaur wrote:
> Subject: Discovery Woes
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 14 lines)]
> $49.  The other warranty items ran about $300.
> The Legend continues,

Gee, it seems I get to experience everybody elses problems too. I have 6
months and 9500 miles on my Disco, and after moving two weekends ago, I was
dropping off a borrowed trailer, came off the highway, saw the ABS light come
on and shortly after had the car sputtering, and coughing. Depressing the gas
pedal did nothing to increase speed of car or engine. Stopped in a parking
lot and tried to get it going after stopping it. No go. BTW, the lights were
dim. I got the typical clicking of the starter solenoid when I've had low
battery charge on other cars. I called the Road Recovery # and they sent
somebody out to tow it to the dealership (2nd time in 6 months). Before he
got there, I was able to restart the car but it struggled. When he got there,
the towman was also able to get it started once, but then it again wouldn't
restart. He towed.

Talked to the dealership next day and they determined that the heavy gauge
wire from the alternator to the fuse box had loosened at the fuse box,
getting very hot and melting parts of the wire and the fuse box and cover.
WARNING - this may cause a fire!! I asked him didn't LR use a lock washer on
the block and he said yes, but it still came loose. Clearly others have had
this problem. He said they were replacing the fusebox and wire, and I asked
him to check out the rest of the electrical system and connections. I didn't
get a warm fuzzy feeling that they would. I checked it this weekend and the
fusebox may or may not have been replaced but the cover was not. The wire
was. Of course, having paid for the Grey Poupon, it was under warranty, but
once again a pain.

 I spoke with the service manager about not feeling very comfortable taking
my vehicle out as it was intended to be used because of sseveral breakdowns
and wondered if they would do roadside pickup if I was out in the booneys: no
response!!

To top it all off, when they replaced the screw they went from philips to
flat head screw slot and from the brass-coloured finished to a plain steel
finish. Now I have to make sure I have two drivers when I work on this thing
in the future. Needless to say, I will be having them fix these remaining
issues instead of being slouches.

Y'all may want to check out your alternator connections to the fusebox.

Goodday,

>                               \|/
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>                             ooO Ooo
>-- End of excerpt from Matt Neibaur

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:35:30 -0800
From: cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us (Christopher Boese)
Subject: creaky Discovery rear door (?)

I'd hoped I wouldn't have to write the list so soon with a problem, but I
and my dealer are both baffled by something. I have a '95 Discovery with
about 1400 miles so far. For a couple of weeks I've been hearing the
scariest noise coming from around the rear door; it sounds like a
metal-on-metal creak and occurs when I drive over bumps or around corners
(especially left turns.) I've been hearing this in all temperatures and it
isn't affected by seats being folded or the loadspace cover being removed.
Usually, I wouldn't be bothered by noises, but this sounds like a bad weld
or loose hinges or God-knows-what body integrity problem.

I've been to the dealer (Symes in Pasadena) twice. The first time, the
Service Manager heard the noise, told me some "sealant" was missing, patched
something, and the noise left for a couple of weeks. On my second visit, I
discovered that the Service Manager had left for two months, taking the
knowledge of how to fix this thing with him. No one else knew what to do.
Does anyone here on the list have a better idea? I'd be most grateful for
any ideas.

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:52:50 -0800
Subject: Re: Disco Steering Probs

I can confirm that there is a Service Bulletin on the squeeking steering.
When I had the Disco in for the alternator wire coming loose and melting
plastic and killing the engine, we once again complained about the steering
noise (6 months 9500 miles). They indicated they have ordered a nationally
backordered kit to resolve the problem. Stephen, in a later posting, calls
out the bulletin number, which I don't have. It is rather a nuisance, isn't
it?

On Nov 6,  8:12am, Stephen Thomas wrote:
> Subject: Re: Disco Steering Probs
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> John Asks:
> >I'm writing about my wife's '95 Disco(10,200 miles) which for the last
week
> >has had a squeaking/moaning sound in the cabin when the steering wheel is
> >turned either left or right.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> (Until 1Dec95, the previous area code of 404 also works.)
>-- End of excerpt from Stephen Thomas

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 15:57:30 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Importing parts into the States

All, 

Has anyone had, or know anyone who has any experience in importing parts into 
the US from the UK. I'm looking to get some stuff for my Land Rovers. I may 
also try and get another vehicle while I'm at it, probably a SIIA 109. 

My Dad lives in the UK and he is a great source of parts to help and store 
stuff, he even has a SI "round the side of house", thing hasn't moved in a 
few years and still in good condition.

I'm looking for info on shippers, rough cost for a 20ft container to get the 
stuff into Boston, anyone recommend a shippers ?  Any info on customs, I have 
dealt with them before and have used a broker to avoid problems. 

Anyone want to rent space to help share costs !!!! I know the OVLR ships 
stuff, 
perhaps it's easier to go into Canada first, then bring the stuff down ? What 
do you think Dixon ?

Mark

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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 95 12:30:03 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: The tangled webs we weave...

Listen Up!
   I think everybody (except where Dixon goes to put his plow
together) is forgetting what's actually important...  Everybody needs to
put down their valiums. GO OUTSIDE and sit in your Land-Rover, if you've
got one, and take a deep inhale.  Smell that rotting upholstery.  Smell the
gear oil.  Start it up.  Smell the exhaust.  Open the window.  Start it
again.  This is what Land-Rover's are about. They're not about
WorldWebWhiners or FTP's (Full Tank, Petrol?) or HTML's (Hot Meals?)or any
of that stuff.  The Roverweb and all the other Webs, Home Pages, and other
computer doo-dads, are all very important and useful (as well as fun). For
many different reasons.  But give me a choice and I'd rather be outside
driving around in my Rover!  Or, I mean, er...working on my Rover...  Nuff
said.

David "Web Schmeb, hand me the flippin' wrench, already!" Bobeck
Nineteen Seventy-Two Series Three Short Wheelbase. "Green Car"
Washington DC, USA
dbobeck@ushmm.org

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: LRs in Movies/TV Shows (New Avengers)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:58:32 -0700 (MST)

Vel Natarajan  writes:

 I was watching "The New Avengers" this weekend and there was a white
 Range Rover which had Joanna Lumley and her partner driving in circles
 through a field while trying to "get a fix on a radio transmitter" and
 making sexual innuendos the whole time.  The name of the episode was
 "The White Rat" I think...pretty funny - (the entire show I mean.  I
 can't tell if they're trying to play serious drama, or it's a comedy)

In the episode "Obsession" Steed sacrifices his green Range Rover by 
parking it on top of a makeshift underground missile launcher seconds 
before launching in order to once again save the world from the bad 
guys.  This series came out in 1976-77 (I think).  I was not originally 
impressed with the series (which is overly sentimental about the original 
Avengers series) nor with Steed trading in his old Bentley for a Range 
Rover.  Now, of course, the New Avengers has its own sappy, sentimental, 
nostalgic value, including the relatively early Range Rover sightings.  
Actually, in "Dead Men Are Dangerous" somebody blows up Steed's garage, 
and we are treated to pieces of Bentley strewn around as a pretense that 
he still owned the Bentley which we otherwise never got to see.

There is a small New Avengers web site at 
http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Contrib/Entertainment/NewAvengers

So, what US channel is currently showing the series?  I need a nostalgia 
fix -- haven't seen it since it first came out.

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 09:59:46 -0800
From: kurzman@ix.netcom.com (David S. Kurzman )
Subject: Take my Rovers, Please

This is multipart MIME message.

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Content-Type:text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="NCZ2D78.TMP"

--bpecolyrdakvseybuvcuhwmsulhlch
Content-Type:text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="lro1.txt"

Hello to everyone on the mailing list. I've been lurking here for about a
year and thought I'd jump in. I have a series 3 109 military. Full rag
top, Turner unleaded head, luminition with an MSD , 5 main 2 1/4, and
a bunch of other stuff. I admit to not running off-road much (just
on the beach) mainly because I wouldn't be able to afford to fix the
truck if I ran it into a tree or something. My L-R has about 17000 miles
on it and I'm actually considering selling it and buying a cheap 88
so I can beat about in the woods without worrying about it too much.
        The real reason I'm here is to try and sell some Rover stuff
that is not exactly connected with L-R so I'll keep this short and if
any one is interested they can call or e-mail me for details. I have
2 Rover TC 2000's and a garage full of parts for them. Some new parts,
mostly used. No V-8 parts. I probably have about $6000 in this stuff and
would take $1500 for everything. I just want all of this stuff out of
my sight. I'm sorry but I don't want to sell individual parts. I've
blown so much $ on these P-6's ( I had 6 of them in the backyard at
one time) that I can hardly bare to look at them, let alone go out
and pull a starter or something.
        I hope this is not too far off the subject. Calls ok till mid-
night est if you are interested in the P-6's or even the 109. Best,
Dave Kurzman
816 W. 46th St.
Richmond, VA 23225
(804) 233-1341

--bpecolyrdakvseybuvcuhwmsulhlch--

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:04:17 -0500
From: Randy Parker <rparker@roving.com>
Subject: Re: creaky Discovery rear door (?)

One thought:  check the rear door latch if you haven't.   After about 2000
miles, I had to tighten mine up and I remember dealer service mentioning
something about door latch noise subsequent to that.   OTOH, all Rovers have
odd noises (it's not optional equipment!).   Good luck!

--RP

At 08:35 AM 11/6/95 -0800, Christopher Boese wrote:

>I'd hoped I wouldn't have to write the list so soon with a problem, but I
>and my dealer are both baffled by something. I have a '95 Discovery with
>about 1400 miles so far. For a couple of weeks I've been hearing the
>scariest noise coming from around the rear door  .......

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Randy Parker, Roving Software Inc., Brookline, MA, USA
   Email:  rparker@roving.com
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Richard Jones <rich@apricot.mee.com>
Subject: 25th Anniversary Final Edition
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 17:58:46 +0000 (GMT)

<h2>25th Anniversary Final Edition</h2>

 <p>
  The Range Rover Classic will bow out of the public market later this
  year.  To go out in style, Land Rover are producing a special 25th
  anniversary model.
 </p>

 <p>
  Based on the Vogue SE, just 25 of these special vehicles will be
built -
  each one individually numbered with a special plaque on the fascia.
  Powered by the 3.9 litre V8 petrol engine developing 181 bhp, the
  anniversary model features Oxford Blue metallic paintwork, chrome
  bumpers and distinctive badging on the front wings.  The interior is
  finished in light stone beige with leather seats and a CD system
fitted
  as standard.  The remote-controlled central locking also operates a
  sophisticated alarm system, which incorporates random electronic
code
  selection.
 </p>

 <p>
  The Range Rover Classic 25th Anniversary Final Edition is priced at
  &#163;40,000.
__ 
  _ __              Apricot Computer Limited
 ' )  )      /      3500 Parkside               Tel:   (+44) 121 717 7171
  /--' o _. /_      Birmingham Business Park    Fax:   (+44) 121 717 0123
 /  <_<_(__/ <_     BIRMINGHAM  B37 7YS
 Richard Jones      United Kingdom              Email: richardj@apricot.mee.com

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From: Stephen Thomas <THOMSE-U@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk>
Date:         6 Nov 95 15:26:03 GMT
Subject:      Disco lights and Spammers

'lo all,

The Disco rear lights were originally designed as one cluster on each
side holding all the lights, turn signals included. When the
facelifted Disco came out (late '94?) the turn signals had moved down
to the bumper as the Transport Dept. were concerned that if the rear
door was open on the road (y'know, when you're moving your mate's
furniture...) then the spare could obscure the offside (nearside in
the States) indicator. Or so I heard.
As a result people started to retrofit the earlier clusters (with
turn signal) onto the later Disco's, so that they had both cluster
and bumper turn signals. Land Rover finally caught up and started
doing the same....er I think....
Finally I got this in yesterday's digest :

 >From: yoshio@osak.ac.jp, agc03255@niftyserv.or.jp,
 >agc03895@niftyserv.or.jp,
 >Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr. Magazine Sub sent worldwide- 295+ Popular
 >USA Titles

So just who is Yoshio? is he one of us or is he just some spammer? If
you are a bona-fide Rover owner Yoshio then speak up - otherwise I
think we should mailbomb him for his trouble, it really hacks me
off...
I bet he don't even exist, some spammer-overlords invention no doubt.
(conspiracy theory? who suggested that? come on, own up...)

Steve

    /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
   /  /-\ /--------------\ /-\  \
   |  | | |              | | |  |
   |  \-/ |              | \-/  |
   |______|______________|______|
   /~~~~~~|              |~~~~~~\
  |o|     |[]            |     |o|
  |O/     |              |     \O|
  ||      |              |      || Stephen Thomas
  ||______|______________|______|| 1964 IIa Diesel 'Andy'
   \_          |    |          _/  0121-452-1405
   |~\_________|_{}_|_________/~|  Thomse-u@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk
   |~_-_~|)              (|~_-_~|
   |~_-_~|                |~_-_~| ['Andy': except for the XCL's :)]
    ~---~                  ~---~

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From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
Subject: Diffs for sale
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 11:31:16 MST

FOR SALE
--------
I have two differentials (front & rear) from a 1994 Defender 90 with
about 11K mostly highway miles (under 75 light off-highway miles).
These diffs were removed from my vehicle to install ARB air lockers.

These diffs fit 1.24" 24 spline axles.  It is my understanding that
these will fit any "modern" ('93 or later) Land Rover (Defender,
Discovery, Range Rover), but since all sales are final, please make sure
they fit your application before making an offer.

I don't know what Genuine LR diffs sell for new, but I've seen other
used ones for sale at $200 + shipping each, so that seems like a good
starting point.  Any offers?

[The diffs are still in my vehicle but will be out within a week or so.]

--
Jeffrey J. Gauvin		email: jeff.gauvin@symbios.com
Symbios Logic Inc.		Voice: 719-573-3563
1635 Aeroplaza Dr.		FAX: 719-573-3824
Colorado Springs, CO 80916

------------------------------

From: Stephen Thomas <THOMSE-U@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk>
Date:         6 Nov 95 15:41:06 GMT
Subject:      Tempting fate again.....

I knew it was a bad move to replace that busted heater plug on Andy,
I should have guessed that it'd prompt something else to go.
On a short drive yesterday the alternator bearings finally gasped
their last, making the most obscene grinding noise. I pulled up and
the battery light confirmed my suspicions.
In true Land Rover fashion Andy didn't leave us completely stuck
however, she broke down outside the house of a guy with a Disco V8.
Coincidentally he also had a solid bar and towed us to my parents
house where a donor 17 ACR was being prepped. (The guy said that had
we been in anything other than a Land Rover he'd have left us there)

Problem is I got the worn UJ's on the prop sorted today...what'll go
next week?????? %)

Steve

    /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\
   /  /-\ /--------------\ /-\  \
   |  | | |              | | |  |
   |  \-/ |              | \-/  |
   |______|______________|______|
   /~~~~~~|              |~~~~~~\
  |o|     |[]            |     |o|
  |O/     |              |     \O|
  ||      |              |      || Stephen Thomas
  ||______|______________|______|| 1964 IIa Diesel 'Andy'
   \_          |    |          _/  0121-452-1405
   |~\_________|_{}_|_________/~|  Thomse-u@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk
   |~_-_~|)              (|~_-_~|
   |~_-_~|                |~_-_~| ['Andy': except for the XCL's :)]
    ~---~                  ~---~

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 10:19:05 PST
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: D90 sagging suspension

>Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 17:58:03 -0700
>From: Lou Goldring Jr <louman@netzone.com>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>information about how these springs and shocks perform would be greatly
>appreciated.

The Old Man Emu coils give a minimum 1.5 inch lift.  I believe you can get
more.  I have the same ARB bull bar and a 9000lb winch.  Found that the 
HD D110 front springs (230 lb/inch) restored the front height to stock level.
The ride also became more like stock.  I've found that the stock rear springs
(230 lb/inch) to be a little to firm with out a 100+ lb load in the back. 
Articulation is too limited.  I'd be hesitant to increase my rear spring
rates a whole lot.

I believe both the Old Man Emu coils you are looking at are rated at 235 lb
per inch.  

If your anti-sway bars are still installed they are limiting your travel.  I've 
heard that removing the rear doesn't change the handling that much and provides
a major improvement in articulation.  One of these days I'll try it myself.
I have front and rear ARB lockers and so just haven't really felt the need yet.
Anyway, doesn't make a lot of sense to me to add lift to increase travel when
the present limiting factor can just be unbolted.

I'm very leary of lifts.  Too many parameters in the drivetrain are messed up.
At the very least you are increasing wear in the U-Joints significantly.  You
also decrease you side slope angle as you raise your center of gravity.   My
experience so far is that the stock D90 has plenty of clearance.  Even loaded.
This lead me to the heavy duty D110 solution. 

(All numbers are from memory.  Hope they are close.)

-Rick 
 D90, #????

Richard Larson
LSI Logic Corporation
(408) 433-7149

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 13:50:42 EST
From: tdj@fore.com (Tom Des Jardins)
Subject: Re: creaky Discovery rear door (?)

Our 94 Disco has had a rattle which is associated with bumps in the road
fore-ever.  It is driving me nuts.  The dealer sort-of fixed it but it came
back very quickly.

I was planing on having him take another go at it soon.  Another friend of
mine has a rear door rattle associated with his subwoofer use.  As he is a
techno fan, the subwoofer tends to be employed rather more often than if
you were to listen to classical (well, ok, so there's Bach toccata fugue
but you know what I mean...).  I don't know what his is yet.

ttfn

Tom Des Jardins
FORE Systems (412)635-3374  FAX 635-3333 url http://www.fore.com
Please note new phone numbers.  I am now at the McKnight road facility.

------------------------------

From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:09:50 -0800
Subject: Re: Discovery Woes

On Nov 6, 12:40pm, John B. Friedman wrote:
> Subject: Re: Discovery Woes
> What was the first tow for. ? Do I just take uff the fuse box cover
> and check the screw at the heaviest wire? Thanks, John Friedman
>-- End of excerpt from John B. Friedman

Yeah John,

The first tow was for an automatic shifter button becoming non-functional,
ie., you push it in to shift and the shifter wouldn't move. Talk about all
revved up and no place to go!!! They hauled it to the dealership and somehow
they were able to pop the shift head off or somesuch and unkink/reattach the
cable and relube it. That is kind of scary out in the outback.

For the wiring problem, yes, take off the fuse box cover (over the right
wheel) and then there is a thin plastic cover which has a couple of teeth
holding it down which bend back. You can acutally see through the slots in
this cover. The lug for the alternator is the front left one. If it is loose
and arcing you will see the thin cover bubbled and melted. You can take that
cover off and check the screw lug. Let me know if you have a phillips head
screw the same color as the other screws and whether the lock washer is
there.

BTW, you may want to check all of the connections!!

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:48:30 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: RoverWeb pilfered, and an important matter

 In message <199511031709.JAA17481@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> Michael Carradine 
> writes:
> >  Tom Rowe <trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu> writes:
> ; 
> > >If Dixon hasn't actually filed for copy right then he doesn't have it
> > >even if he does put such a notice on the pages.

I sent a clarification to Michael that I didn't forward to the list. 
I talked to my wife who works on intellectual poperty cases. The way 
the law works in the US right now (it may change as there is a bill 
in congress to make our laws part of an international treaty) is that 
if you compose something you have the copyright. However, if you 
don't apply for copyright anyone else can do it and get it.
If  you can prove you were the originator you can take them to court 
and get their copyright rejected. 

The US copyright office doesn't 
check for previous copyright holders (unlike the patent office) so 
even if you have filed and received copyright, that won't stop 
someone else from getting one too. All it does is make it easier to 
prove you were the originator. You'd still have to threaten them with 
a lawsuit to get them to stop using the material.

As for public domain, it doesn't exist with copyrighted material. The 
best you can do if you want to make something public domain is to 
copyright it (about $20 in the US it think) make it freely available 
and then sue anyboy that tries to make a profit. Even with 
TeriAnn's posting, if she didn't sue me and  prove to a 
courts  satisfaction that she originated it, I could copyright the 
material  and charge for it.

US law appears to be very weak in the way it's written right now. 
Unfortunately, the proposed changes could potentially have a dramatic 
and devestating impact even on public libraries. (I'm part of a 
campus group looking at copyright issues and how they affect Internet 
material and it's use)

And from what I've read on the web page matter so far, it seems to be 
a moot point.

And now for something completely different...
(oops, is that copyrighted?)
:-)

Who is managing the list these days? I lost track and I'd like to 
contact them.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 20:08:45 -0600 (CST)
From: "Soren Vels Christensen" <velssvch@inet.uni-c.dk>
Subject: Re: LRs in Movies/TV Shows

One of the more interesting TV sightings is in the short series "Call for
the dead" from the book of John le Carr!. The book was written in 1961 and
gave birth to a not so young Mr Smiley (Denholm Elliott). In one of the
scenes, on a farm, you can see the front end of a sI in good condition.
Obviously put the there as a time stamp.

If it was 16:9 you could have seen all of it.

rgds
sv/aurens

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 11:50:51 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: trivia

In message <199511031701.MAA20243@butler.uk.stratus.com> Mr Ian Stuart writes:
 
> >First, every Land Rover model's wheels are interchangeable except for one
> >model - which one?
> The 101 has 6-stud wheels, whilst the rest have 5 studs.
; 
> BTW.... The hubs of the leaf-sprung vehicles are slightly different to
> those of their coil sprung siblings -- so the wheels don't fit without a
; fight. 
; 
; .... with a wooden spoon ...
>      ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
> those of their coil sprung siblings -- so the wheels don't fit without a
;
Say what?
;
I have the black stamped steel defender 7 inch rims on my 109 and they fit 
perfectly.  Didn't have to fight with any wooden spoons ether

TeriAnn

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 11:52:07 PST
From: Bennett Leeds <bennett@mv.us.adobe.com>
Subject: Disco arriving any day:  Cold Feet

So, here I am, not so patiently awaiting the arrival of my '96 5 spd. 

Discovery (silver/grey), and yet another round of "Discovery Woes"  
comes to the list.

>From my perspective, seems that each time this subject (different  
actual title) comes up, there's a combination of "yeah, that happened  
to mine" from people with older (relatively speaking, of course)  
Discos as well as "and this other thing happened to mine." 

Then, I find out that the extended warranty prices have more than  
doubled for all LRs. All LRs are in Class 9 - the worst  
(Hondas/Toyotas are in Class 1).

And, NO-ONE ever posts: "Well, I've put on 10K miles and it's never  
been in the shop except for scheduled maintainence." Can someone do  
so in good conscience? Right now it seems like this is the kind of  
reliability that almost led to Jaguar going under.

So, you Disco lurkers, here's your chance: Tell me how reliable your  
vehicle has been.

- Bennett

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 01:04:47 -0700
From: cyoungso@Direct.CA (Chris Youngson)
Subject: 110 for Europe trip?

What is the price of an export 110 w/300tdi in th UK. I would want the basic
3 door.
I am planning a trip to Europe later next year and would like to find out the 
costs involved in taking a 110. Other alternatives would be leasing, renting
or buying used. Any comments. Thanks, 73.

Chris

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chris Youngson           cyoungso@direct.ca      1965 Series IIA 109 3 Door
West Vancouver                                   Limestone (in pieces)
British Columbia         
Canada                   Amateur Radio: VE7CST
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 95 13:59:24 EST
From: "Hadley, William H." <whadley@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: silly springs...

     
     I have noticed that "Nessie" seems to be a bit low in the back and 
     also leans more to the passenger side. The springs look to be in great 
     shape but the passenger side springs have a good coat of gear oil on 
     them from an old wheel wound. I am thinking that this oil may have 
     worked its way in-between the leaves and has killed their ability to 
     work properly. Can I take them apart and clean them? Also, if there a 
     way you can tell if they need to be rearced.
     
     Heading to London on Wednesday, so everybody have a great week.
     
     Will Hadley
     whadley@ushmm.org
     
     Funny lil' green stationwagon from '62.
      

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 11:22:18 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: RoverWeb pilfered??

In message <199511031709.JAA17481@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us> Michael Carradine 
writes:
>  Tom Rowe <trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu> writes:
; 
> >If Dixon hasn't actually filed for copy right then he doesn't have it
> >even if he does put such a notice on the pages.
; 
>  It makes no difference if it's filed or not for 'Version 3.0'.  The
>  content of the work and the copyright of each individual contribution
;  can be traced and attributed seperatly if need be, and those contributors
>  hold the eventual copyright unless formally forfeited to other individuals,
>  the Land Rover community, or to the public domain.

Sigh,

Since a lot of the core stuff that Dixon worked with came from several of my 
postings....

I hereby grant nonexclusive license to to anyone who wishes to use or reprint 
parts of the RoverWeb that I wrote provided that the following conditions are 
met:

1. The material is not used to cause harm to anyone.

2. The material is not used for profit

3. If the material is to be published, the source should be given credit and I 
would like a copy.  Published includes paper or electronic reproduction.

TeriAnn Wakeman
twakeman@apple.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 06 Nov 95 12:20:41 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: V8 cam swap.

*** Resending note of 11/06/95 12:19
FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: V8 cam swap.
To the person interested in a cam swap for the V8, I've just received one
for my '87 RR. The heads are being done as I write this, then it'll be next
week or late this week before the verdict is in. I'll post my impressions...

I ordered it directly from Crane Cams in Florida (USA). They even had the
RR listed in their catalogue!! I went up 2 steps from stock. Other than that
(lift, duration, etc...) I don't know. I'm not very well educated in the
details of cams and their performance. This one was supposed to work around
the 2500-3500 rpm (or somewhere around there?) range.

Dave (headless at the moment) Brown

#=======#          ________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___     /__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}   \_/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:32:01 -0500
Subject: Note on Hubs and Brakes

Hi All,
Chris Stevens and I began a blind tour through the brakes and hubs on my 1967
88 SWB.  These are a few highlights/lowlights of a newbie to this region.

1.  The hubs and brakes are incredibly easy to work on, and can be done be
the most novice of individuals (ie myself).

2.  When renewing the bearings, there is an inner distance piece directly
against the backing plate which may need replacing.  Although it is not
mentioned anywhere, if you definitely plan to replace it, a large channel
locks work great to remove the old one (rotating back and forth).

3. When placing the new distance piece into place, the hub nut socket (which
I purchased at RN) works perfectly as a drift (use a rubber mallet).

4. When driving new inner races into the hub, a small piece of small diameter
(1 inch) pvc pipe works well as a drift to push it into place if worked
around the edge of the race in a clockwise (or counterclockwise) fashion.

5. If your old trailing shoe has threaded holes for the anchor plate, don't
panic, the new shoes don't so you have to either use self tapping screws or
find appropriate bolt and nut.

6.  If possible, have Chris Stevens (or other friend) available to read the
manual as you work if it is your first go through since your hands will be
covered in 90 wt oil and grease.

Once I rerun the brakelines, I'll let you know if the beast will stop!

Nate Dunsmore
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD USA 21020
NADdMD@aol.com

------------------------------

From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Isuzu/Landie contest
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:07:07 -0800

>I understand from the Off-road list that 2 Isuzus and a Disco went out
>somewhere in US NW, as a results of one of the Isuzu owners mouthing off
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>one.  Nothing about it on this list? Uh-oh... bad news?  Or did I miss
>a report here also?
------------

I was the defending LRO in this "contest" and I haven't got around 
to posting the trip report, so I guess I should quit procrastinating. 
I should point out, that it wasn't a contest at all, rather some 
friendly hetero-vehicular off-roading. I met with the the Isuzu drivers 
near Mt. St. Helens, Washington  for a day of bouncing around in the 
mountains. The roads we found were [unfortunately] pretty tame for the most 
part (some were even PAVED :-( ) but we did find some opportunities 
for comparison.

While this area [the Pacific NW.)might be a mecca for such yuppiemobiles as 
the Discovery, Explorer & Jeep G. Cherokee, they are incredibly scarce once 
you leave the highway, well, once you leave the shopping mall for that 
matter. I think George's challenge was more to get someone to take their 
Disco off-road so he could see one "in action" in a sort-of "side-by-side" 
type of comparison.  The local LR Dealerships seem to resist/avoid these 
type of opportunities for some reason. Since I owed my kids a camping trip 
it seemed like a good opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. 

We all had a good time and came back deciding that I really need to get a 
rear locker (maybe I could talk to Santa...). George Reiswig, maker of the 
original "challenge" wrote the following report after the outing."

<begin trip report>

Subject: Re[6]: A challenge is offered!! FUN FUN FUN!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------  
---
Well, we did it!

Sunday, October 22nd, Marc Davis (Isuzu Trooper), Bob Watson (LR Discovery) 
and 
I (Isuzu Amigo) got together near Mount St. Helens, Washington for the halle  
nge
I offered some time ago.  You may recall that I suggested that my Amigo 
might go anywhere a Landy could, and that I'd sure be interested in seeing a 
Rover in 
action on some interesting trails.  Well, Bob took me up on it.

The results:  Everybody won!  We had a great time exploring around on 
numerous 
roads in the area.  The devastation caused by the eruption 15 years ago is 
not 
going to be erased anytime soon, and yet nature is coming back with renewed 
vegetation in the rich new soil.

The only real challenge we found involved some very loose soil and large, 
hard 
rocks in a quarry.  The bulldozers had created some good slopes and 
obstacles, 
and we took advantage of the opportunity to find out how our respective 
vehicles
worked.

Watching the Landy's suspension work really inspired my envy.  My IFS just 
doesn't move much, and Bob crawled over some obstacles that really crossed 
up 
his axles.  He got his frame and trackbar mount caught on a rock and had to 
back off of one obstacle, and it was obvious that Bob wasn't afraid of 
making his Disco work.  Marc and I pulled up on the grill guard while he put 
his tranny in reverse, and he was unstuck.

Most of the roads we tried were just dirt roads, so we made our way back to 
the 
quarry to play more seriously.  There was one section of large (1' - 6' 
diameter) rocks which had been bulldozed together, so we decided to deem a 
section of that an obstacle to be overcome.  I pulled up to it first, and 
then 
stopped and got out for the trickiest section of the route.  After some 
hemming 
and hawing, I got back in and went on with it.  I engaged my rear locker for 
the last part of the obstacle, because I didn't want to slip off to my left 
and beat my door up on the boulders.  There was loose soil on top of the 
obstacle, and I was afraid that my front tires wouldn't grab enough to pull 
me up, but they did, and I made it.

Marc tried it next, and he might got to the point where the really large 
rocks 
started.  Just then, his clutch decided that it didn't want to play any 
more.  
His progress ceased, but his engine went on.  I've never seen a clutch slip 
like that.  After hooking up a tow strap to his rear (well, his truck's 
rear), Bob pulled up behind him and pulled him smoothly (automatic tranny) 
off the rocks until he was free.  So much for the second stuck of the day.  

Bob decided that he didn't really want to try anything like that until he 
had 
better tires and a locker or two.  He and I talked for a bit, despite the 
sound 
of an engine roaring uselessly somewhere in the background....

"Uh, guys....I'm stuck again."  It was Marc calling over the radio.  He was 
halfway up a steep, loose hill, and had somehow managed to make it so that 
there was nothing but hill in front of him, and nothing but really big rocks 
behind him.  The only thing keeping him from rolling back was his tailpipe 
hitting one of the rocks.  We managed to remove two of the three rocks by 
hand, each of which weighed 250 lbs. or so.  The third one was firmly wedged 
under his bumper and against his tailpipe, and we couldn't do anything about 
it.  So, I drove up to the crest of the hill and hooked him up with the tow 
strap.  (The guys still don't believe that I actually have a Warn winch on 
the mount up front, because I'm so hesitant to use it!)

After pulling him up to the top, it was time to head for home.  In short, 
the 
challenge was to get people with different vehicles together in an 
environment 
which fostered curiosity about (and appreciation for) how different vehicles 

work, respect for other's vehicular taste and driving ability, and to leave 
the 
"my truck's better'n yours" attitude to others.  The result was that 
everyone 
had a good time.  

George "I still haven't seen a D-90 on the trails" Reiswig

<end trip report>
    _____
   /|__|_\___                            Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

------------------------------

From: GJevne@aol.com
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:56:20 -0500
Subject: Lou : D-90 suspention Tips

   Lou Goldring Jr:  I personal think the D 90 is too stiff stock and
performs 100% better with the extra weight. Your D 90 will not have any less
wheel travel, just less upper travel giving more drop travel  and removing
the sway bars adding Billstein shock & maybe a progressive front spring to
level  it out, but leaving rear as is. I found the D 90s work the best with
70% to 75% of drop travel which is a lower ride height than stock allowing
full articulation.
We have experimented a great deal with the D 90 ,Discovery & Range Rover
suspention systems  
    My first question is do you really use your D 90 to its fullest as it is
and are you having a performance problem off-road? Second does the D 90 drive
loose and/or are the tires rub? Third do you have your sway bar off?

Hope I have helped some if you have any questions let me know
Greg Jevne @ Safari Gard

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:56:48 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Blocked rear brake in SI S/W

Help!
I need somebody!
Help
Not just anybody

But somebody with Series Land-Rovers experience. Please.

Yesterday when I tried to back my beloved Green Monster out of the garage,=

it stalled about halfway up the rather steep exit driveway.  First I thought=

it was the usual engine-not-strong-enough-on-choke syndrom, but when it
wouldn=B4t roll back into the garage I realized something else was the=
 cause. 
I finally managed to drive down into the garage in low first, with the
right-hand rear wheel dragging (and the left-hand rear wheel probably
spinning like mad, but I did not actually see this).  There was no outside=

sign of any damage on the wheel, the brake drum or the axle. 

I did not know what to do, so left it there and went home to study my
literature.  One book (Lindsay Porter Guide to Purchase and DIY Restoration)=

mentioned that the snail cam brake adjuster might break, apparently blocking=

the brakes, and the only way to remove it then was to smash the brake drum. =

If possible I would like to avoid smashing a perfectly good 37 year old
brake drum.  So:

What else could it be?  Bearing?  Differential?

If it is the snail cam brake adjuster, is there any other way to get at it=

(eg drill a hole in the drum)?

What should I do to properly diagnose the problem?

I can=B4t take the damned thing to a workshop, since the closest L-R=
 workshop
is about 80 km/50 miles from the garage, and I can=B4t even get it out of=
 the
garage.

And please do not try and lead me up the garden path by suggesting it is the=

handbrake.  I know *that* much.

Won=B4t you pleeeeease help me?

Peter Hirsch
SI 107" S/W

P.S.:
BTW, today we have the worst weather I can remember in Vienna.  It snowed
about 10cm/4 inches on top of mirror-perfect black ice, and the only way
cars moved was sideways.  It took me almost two hours to drive my usual 15=

minutes home from the office, and I was one of the lucky ones, since my
office is in the outskirts and I live in the center.  Some people going in=

the other direction will probably only make it home when spring comes... 
How I would have loved to be in the Green Monster!  And nobody would have
noticed the Problem, I could just have dragged the right rear wheel along!

Peter

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 21:02:13 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Kodiak heater knobs

all, 

anyone removed the knobs from a kodiak heater ? I want to get the knobs off 
the remove the panel to spray it. The knobs has a hole in the top and 
something must be able to push in, tried to put a small screwdriver in and 
pull, nothing.   

H E L P  someone. 

Mark

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 11:34:13 +0000 (GMT)
From: Nobody Home <hec2@coventry.ac.uk>
Subject: Discovery project

Hello!
 I am a 3rd year student at Civentry University and for my honours project 
I am analysing the "Success of the Discovery". I will be looking at the 
Disco in terms of the Product itself, the price, promotion,etc.etc., so 
the project will have a marketing slant. I thought this an appropriate 
subject to cover as I drive a LR/RR hybrid off-road at the weekends.
 If anyone has got any information on anything to do with the Discovery or 
even wish to express their personal opinion on the vehicle I WOULD BE 
VERY GRATEFUL!!!
 It may take me a while to reply but your help would be appreciated.

Please email me:
     Helen>>>>     hec2@coventry.ac.uk

*****************************************************************************
 	    __                  Nobody home and
	 _,~/ )                 No books to read
	O_ ^\/ `- - . 
	 `~\         `@         What about the pig?
   	    ;, ,_(   ;    
  	   //_/  //_/           What about it?                           
      hec2@coventry.ac.uk
*****************************************************************************

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:55:25 -0800
From: cboese@co.san-bernardino.ca.us (Christopher Boese)
Subject: Re: creaky Discovery rear door (?)

Yeah, mine had that subwoofer rattle too. That's something the dealer looked
at, removed the entire panel in the rear door, taped some wires inside the
subwoofer housing, and tightened everything. The subwoofer doesn't buzz and
rattle anymore, which is a good thing, but the scary metallic creaking is
still there, which is a bad thing.

>Our 94 Disco has had a rattle which is associated with bumps in the road
>fore-ever.  It is driving me nuts.
>Another friend of
>mine has a rear door rattle associated with his subwoofer use.
>Tom Des Jardins

Christopher Boese
County of San Bernardino, California
Information Services, Information Systems Security Office

------------------------------

From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: 7500 Mile Discovery Service
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 12:11:10 -0800

Just to add my experience to the "7500 mile service" knowledge base, I took 
my Disco in last Friday to the Land Rover Eastside (Bellevue, Washington) 
dealership for it's service and they spent the day doing the following:

(warr)	replaced the L &R valve cover gaskets (oil seeping onto the cyl. 
heads
(warr)	replaced the rear transfer case shaft seal ( oil on the e-brake drum)
		< I wonder if that would affect the e-brake effectiveness? i.e. should 
they have cleaned & replaced the e-brake shoes? >
(warr)	replaced the A/C switch (indicator light out)
(warr)	replaced a trim holding screw inside (old one fell off)
($50.08)	Lube-oil-filter change

and they picked dropped me off and picked me up from the office (about 5 
mi).
 All in all, not a bad deal.

    _____
   /|__|_\___                            Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:46:30 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: spinning tires, why

An interesting piece of advice I read recently, maybe not applicable to 
Frank and Mike, addresses slippery slope climbing with an automatic:  Put 
the gear box in 2nd or 3rd, and go at the hill with lots of throttle.  
You'll be in first, but if you start to lose traction all around, the 
transmission will think you've crested the hill and shift up, reducing 
torque and preventing slippage.

-Matt

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:59:24 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: Note on Hubs and Brakes

Nate Dunsmore writes:

snip
> 2.  When renewing the bearings, there is an inner distance piece directly
> against the backing plate which may need replacing.  Although it is not
> mentioned anywhere, if you definitely plan to replace it, a large channel
> locks work great to remove the old one (rotating back and forth).

A cold chisel and a couple of smart raps with a hammer will remove 
the distance piece nicely. It's a brittle piece of metal. For those 
who wonder, the distance piece is quite often the real culprit in a 
leaky hub seal.

snip

> 4. When driving new inner races into the hub, a small piece of small diameter
> (1 inch) pvc pipe works well as a drift to push it into place if worked
> around the edge of the race in a clockwise (or counterclockwise) fashion.

I took old races and ground the OD a little (making sure all burrs 
are removed) and use them between my press and the new race to help 
protect it. Although if you're useing PVC there isn't too much chance 
for damage. I'll have to try it sometime.
This is mandatory (and cutting a slot in the old race so it will fit 
around the shaft) on one of the bearings in the transfer case to 
remove the shaft.

Snip

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:39:39 -0500
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: Re: RoverWeb pilfered, and an important matter

>As for public domain, it doesn't exist with copyrighted material. The

>best you can do if you want to make something public domain is to

>copyright it (about $20 in the US it think) make it freely available

One small clarification to Tom's "most accurate posting" I've seen on this
topic.  In the U.S., copyright is implicit upon creation.  The only real
reason you have to register it is to protect your legal rights in court,
and you must register prior to going to court.  You do have a stronger case
if you file early, but having the earlier copyright doesn't really prove
anything.

Hence, the copyright which appears on all of the photos that I placed on
the WWWeb site is valid, even though I haven't registered them.  And I
welcome anyone on the Web to download them, enjoy them, and trade them with
their friends.  They're copyrighted only on the off chance that someone
decides that they need them for a commercial purpose.  In which case they
can contact me about the modest licensing fee  Doing so will save me the
hassle of filling out the registration forms and proving ownership. ;-}.
(And they should contact me because they'll get much better repro from the
original negative than from a "low-res" 72DPI JPEG scan of a print.)

To those complaining.  My .02 is to spend your energy working on WWWeb
pages to either add to the RoverWeb, either directly or via links if you
don't want to "surrender control."  That way it won't be an 'empty shell'
for long.  Ben had my pages up and running promptly, and was very patient
in working through some difficulties we had in transporting the files.

I've already expanded on the photos that Ray was kind enough to post
originally, before I managed to find the time to learn HTML.  My next
project is a photo essay on my experience at the Mid-Atlantic Rally 1995.
I hope to do more, as soon as I have more photos and tales to share.

By the way, if anyone wants to contribute but lacks HTML skills, or
scanning equipment, get in touch.  I'd enjoy collaberating.  In fact, if
you have pictures of the Aluminium Man part of this years Mid Atlantic,
please get in touch pronto.  I had an undiscovered (until later) equipment
failure, and my rally photo coverage suffers as a result.  Also lost
everything I had of the Dormobile, which I shot a full feature on, and my
photo of Dixon taking on 'the mudhole.'  Seriously, I need your help, so if
you have photos you wouldn't mind sharing, please let me know.

--

Tom, my former department at NYU used to host the Center For Copyright and
New Media, which was also looking into these issues from both a U.S. and
International perspective.  I believe Donna DeMac moved the Center uptown
to Columbia University, and you might want to get in touch.

Mike Rooth, INTERnet doesn't really translate to international net, but
your point is well taken. (As are most of your points, I was rereading much
of your stuff that's on the OVLR Website and laughing out loud at times.)

Rover On!

JAB

==                                                                 ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg        Purple Shark Media              Rowayton, CT
                       jeff@purpleshark.com
                        ==================
                   Love is fine until you taste
          This melancholy bouillabaisse called letting go
                                                       Jimmy Buffett
==                                                                 ==

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 06:23:09 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: trivia

> > BTW.... The hubs of the leaf-sprung vehicles are slightly different to
> > those of their coil sprung siblings -- so the wheels don't fit without a
> ; fight. 

> I have the black stamped steel defender 7 inch rims on my 109 and they fit 
> perfectly.  Didn't have to fight with any wooden spoons ether

I've been told that the steel wheels off a Discovery won't fit straight 
on to a Range Rover without modification!

Cheers. Tony.

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:56:30 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: RoverWeb pilfered

 Jeffrey A. Berg writes:

> One small clarification to Tom's "most accurate posting" I've seen on this
> topic.  In the U.S., copyright is implicit upon creation.  The only real
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> if you file early, but having the earlier copyright doesn't really prove
> anything.
Thanks for the clarification. That's what I was saying, obviously not 
well.

Snip
> Tom, my former department at NYU used to host the Center For Copyright and
> New Media, which was also looking into these issues from both a U.S. and
> International perspective.  I believe Donna DeMac moved the Center uptown
> to Columbia University, and you might want to get in touch.
> if you file early, but having the earlier copyright doesn't really prove
Thanks, I'll pass it on to our local organizer.

Snip

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:30:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Camelvideo/Mansfield heater

I just saw the Camel Trophey video on ESPN2....shit.  30 min of shit. I 
wouldn't waste the postage to send someone a blank tape to copy it.  You 
see more Discovery 4X4 action in a single commercial than what you see in 
this 30 min show.  * star out of 4.  The other thing I was going to 
babble about is the Mansfield heater from Rovers North.  I'm about to put 
one into my RHD 67 88. Has anyone on the list installed this beast?? I 
measured yesterday(measure twice cut once)....or something .. wooo I 
think there is about 2-3mm to spare....Hmmmmm anyone with words of 
wisdom, advice, or horror stories would be welcome.  I now (drum roll 
please) have a round type Smith's heater for sale. Anyone out there doing 
a restoration needing this fine piece of heating equipment drop me a 
note.  Price is cheap.....damn cheap.

Russ 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:40:46 -0500 (EST)
From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: trivia?

So- to take full responsibility for a stupid comment - the prototype LR 
did indeed use a Jeep frame, but it was not wood (goes to show just how 
knowledgeable I am in Jeep lore).  I own Dixon a beer.  That was so dumb, 
I might just own him a home-brew.  :(

As for info on the trip to Colorado in August '96 - mark your 
calendars!!! The Solihull Society in tentitively scheduled for August 8 - 
14th.  So the trip I'm hoping to rally a few of you into will probably 
begin aroung August 1st or 2nd.  BTW the rally may be located in the 
Crested Butte (two words?) area - obviously where the trip will finish.  
I now have in my hands the route book of Tom Collin's trip.  So now, I 
will begin the task of personally (again) inviting the clubs to 
participate, since I have the 2 major items that needed to be settled now 
taken care of.  Look out for a note next week.

As for trivia, many people were correct in answering that the Monteverdis 
were early '80s Range Rovers that were converted from 2 to 4 doors before 
the factory decided to produce them.  Curiously enough, LR did have a 
prototype 4 door as early as 1972 - whose exterior looked *IDENTICAL* to
the one they started to produce 11 years later (even the door handles 
were the same) - one can only speculate why they chose to wait for a 
product that the automotive world was screaming should be developed!  
Anyway, I cannot confirm if the Monteverdis were factory authorised - 
perhaps someone knows?

For today's trivia - there is a Land Rover model somewhere in the world 
that is not only referred to by another brand name, but also shares its 
model name with one of Eric Clapton's alblums (Tracy Chapman, too, for 
that matter) - what is it?

Frank Twarog
Burlington, VT
 

------------------------------

From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Picking up new RR
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 15:56:33 -0800

>How do RR's like saltwater anyway? 
Salt water is very nasty stuff for any vehicle. Some (most?) beach sand has 
a high salt content as well. Be sure to hose the engine and undercarriage 
off as SOON as possible after your trip to the beach. Be sure to get up 
under and in all the nooks & crannies of the frame.
> And what sort of air-compresser is recommended. 
Any sort will do. I have a cheapy electric compressor the plugs into the 
lighter socket. It takes about 5 min/tire to go from 25-30 lbs. Another idea 
is to pump you spare tire to 50+ lbs (be careful you do this with a good 
tire and don't exceed the max pressure rating) and buy a hose to connect the 
spare tire that can  be used to inflate the tires. There are more expensive 
alternatives as well.
> I need to lower the tire pressure on the beach and then raise it before 
getting on the road.
True, You could deflate your tires to 18lbs for the beach, then pump them up 
to only 25 or so to get you to the first filling station (the one with a 
carwash for # 1 above) then pump them up to "road" pressure for the trip 
home.

Happy Trails!

    _____
   /|__|_\___                            Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA 
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\                
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

------------------------------

From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 19:16:08 PST
Subject: Re: 	Steering noise

couple of observations on steering noise:

-on D90. There is a fix for a hard left turn groaning. A steering pipe 
replaced under warranty.

-on Disco. Rubbing/chaffing *COULD* be SRS airbag harness. There is a certain 
way the whole bloody thing should be packed and perhaps a steering wheel 
change upset this. Cure is simple. Repack *DON'T TRY IT YOURSELF!!!!* In fact, 
don't ever remove an SRS-equipped steering wheel yourself. Let the dealer do 
it since that is clearly a safety/warranty issue. Groaning noises? Could be 
anything from low reservoir, to a failing steering pump. Not likely w/10K 
miles but if noise getting worse should be investigated. John, check fluid 
level for starters. Also inspect track rods/steering gear for lodged debris if 
you've been off-roading the Disco at all... Above items are things I have seen 
before. Best to refer to service dept. for advice- particularly on units 
in-warranty. You paid for that warranty in the vehicle price! Take advantage 
of it.

-squeaky wheel? There is a large plastic washer inside assembly that can go 
belly up. Replacement is a simple dealer fix. 

-BTW, first 4.6 HSE delivered to New England now a BSROA member! Congrats to 
Al Kelley of New Hampshire. Rioja Red w/Pirelli Scorpions. Tires somewhat of 
an off-road compromise but it sure looks brutal!

cheerz
Jim - drain bamage due to Roverloading!
`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`68 2B 110 F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

------------------------------

From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 23:04:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Movies.

Tony Yates states...
 
> Since this started I don't think I've seen a movie WITHOUT a Rover.
> Perhaps we should have a list of movies with no Landrovers, it might be 
> easier!

Yup.. Land Rovers are getting to be *quite* the popular vehicle these days.
Too popular. Maybe its time to change to something a bit more obscure. Like,
for instance, the Panhard. Sure, thats the ticket. I'll sell my Rover and
get a Panhard....

OHMYGOD! What am I saying??? I must be mad... Yes! That's it. Mad as a
hatter.

Yahoo!
Mike

------------------------------

From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 23:04:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: HELP: no go at 30 miles

Bill clogs his fuel line...
 
> The problem started after I had had a new tranny and clutch installed on 
> my military IIA. La Rana (the frog) lost power around thirty miles on the 
> way home. After much trouble shooting (much misdirected trouble shooting) 
> I determined that the fuel filter was stopping the fuel flow. It was a 

.......snip........

> blocking it. Opened the filter, drained it and never found the problem. I 
> replaced the complete filter and attaching fuel line pieces and 
> everything seemed fine. Drove La Rana about 30 miles and it did the same 
> thing. I've added new gas, different gas station. It appears that it

So... what is common to both tanks? Some fuel lines and the control valve.
Get a new piece of fuel line and go directly from one tank to the pump. See
it that clears up the problem. Try directly from the other tank too. If it
does turn out to be a tank problem, there are places that steam-clean tanks
and re-seal them. You can do it yourself, but I'm inclined to believe that a
place that specializes in fuel tank repair will do a better job.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

------------------------------

From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 23:04:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Do I *really* need to stop?

Tim's brakes....

> to get much, and the first does almost nothing. I don't know if the cold
> is  related or not. I checked my resivoir and it was low (about half
> full), so I 
.........snip.......
 
> Just for the record, the fluid is Castrol GTLMA. Thats what the P.O. 
> said use *only*. And I've learned here that the fluid type is critical,
/

Many years ago...(when I was young and stupid - now I'm just stupid) I put
the wrong type of fluid in my Triumph's clutch resevoir. The very first day
that the temperature dropped in the teens, all the fluid leaked out. Now, I
can't say for sure that the wrong type of fluid caused the seals to
malfunction or if was just age, but ever since then I've used Castrol.

You only use Castrol and the PO *said* he only used Castrol... Who knows for
sure? Possibly you have seals that have deteriorated enough to be effected by
the cold. If it happens again, you will know. 

As to frozen nipples (I'm sure Bill Maloney will comment on that one), if
you are lucky you can get them out and put in new ones. You will probably
need to use an Easy-out to extract them. Personally, I would bite the bullet
and just replace the wheel cylinders.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 23:04:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: The tangled webs we weave...

Dave "Web Schmeb, etc, etc." Bobeck rants...

> gear oil.  Start it up.  Smell the exhaust.  Open the window.  Start it
> again.  This is what Land-Rover's are about. They're not about
> WorldWebWhiners or FTP's (Full Tank, Petrol?) or HTML's (Hot Meals?)or any

START IT AGAIN!!!   ROFLMAO

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 23:05:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: RR in the movies

> Was it "Roxanne" where Steve Martin is the firefighter with a LWB LR 
> parked in his carport?

Sure was.... 

Cheers
Mike
 

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 23:05:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Note on Hubs and Brakes

Nate says...
 
> 5. If your old trailing shoe has threaded holes for the anchor plate,
> don't
> panic, the new shoes don't so you have to either use self tapping screws
> or find appropriate bolt and nut.

Better yet, get the right sized tap and re-thread the holes in the new shoes.

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:51:03 -0800
From: jcwhite3@well.com (John C. White, III)
Subject: Re: Disco arriving any day:  Cold Feet

Well, I haven't had any problems that have caused me to be dead in the
water.  The only problem I've had was with my front sunroof, which jammed
upon opening, but I was able to close it.  The dealership rebuilt it a 1,000
miles ago, and I haven't had any problems with it since.

For the record, I've taken my Discovery on a 6,500 mile road trip around the
western U.S. during July.  This included 10,000 ft. mountain passes, driving
around the desert southwest (Mojave and Four Corners) and crossing the Great
Plains during a 100+ degree heat wave.  And, yes, I've had it off road.

Cheers!
John
'95 5Spd Discovery, 11,500 miles

At 11:52 06.11.95 PST, Bennett Leeds wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 30 lines)]
>vehicle has been.
>- Bennett

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From: rmodica@east.pima.edu
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 22:54:09 MST
Subject: Disco squeaking

RE: Disco steering wheel squeaking.  Had the same thing at 14,500.  The dealer
replaced the rotary coupling on the wheel under warranty.  No more squeaking. 
Took them .5 hours labor @ $72.50/hour. 

 How does that labor rate compare around the US? Most "upper scale" dealers are
still around $45/hour.

On the subject of "Who waves?" --  I've driven my 1960 SII 109" since I bought
it in 1979 and the people who wave depend on the people driving.  I've had lots
of Series waves and a few RR waves.  Now that Discos are on the market and I'm
driving Casper more and more (love that AC when its 110 degrees F) (love that
radio) (love that heater) I find that very few RR wave and not too many Discos
wave. It depends on the driver, not the vehicle.  

Here in AZ lots of RR are owned by the $$$$$$, but the AZLRO drives I've been
on were mostly RR. Arizona has lost most of its rust free Series vehicles to
the East Coast.  Tucson has been noticeably depleted of Series Land Rovers
 over the last 15 years. That leaves RR and Discos.  Some wave, some don't. 
Let's stop flaming and stereotyping people by their vehicle and try a little
patience and good humor.  If you meet a "non-waver" educate them. When you meet
a "waver" be happy.

Anyone in the US found a cheap place to buy a Disco workshop manual that covers
the 3.9 engine?  Spending $125 from the dealer is not my idea of happy camping.

Has anyone tried to mount a CB radio in the space above the interior light in a
Disco?  I don't have the rear AC but the access cover reveals a nice space that
looks like it could hold a CB with just a little cutting of the opening.  Any
ideas?  

Rob Modica 	'51 SI 80"	'60 SII 109" Safari
Tucson, AZ 	'94 Disco 5spd  "Casper"

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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 22:39:14 -0800
From: rover@europa.com (Brad Krohn/Deborah Shannon)
Subject: Lumenition

Alan:

The device you are looking for is actually two pieces to the Lumenition
"Optronic(r) ignition." There's the LED and photo-transistor pickup, plus
the device affectionately known as "the chopper" that fits on the rotor.

I have the original pamphlet that must have come with the Lumenition when
one of the PO's installed it on my 88. It lists the manufacturer as
Lumenition, a division of Autocar Equipment Ltd., 77-85 Newington Causeway,
London SE1 6BJ. No phone, but perhaps one of our right-side-of-the-pond
brethren could tell you if the company is still in business. 

I'd be more than happy to fax or snail mail you a copy (it's pretty fine
print), since it also gives you a circuit diagram.

One item: the pamphlet for this electrical device proudly states A BRITISH
INVENTION. 

Run away! Run away! 

Just to avoid the flames, even the pamphlet states that Lumenition is
"approved for road and marine use only and must not be used in aircraft of
any kind." Please tell me Lucas also stayed away from avionics! <g>

Brad

=="Rover? Who drives it?"===========Brad_Krohn@ccm.hf.intel.com===
.."That would be telling"................<or>..rover@europa.com...
==========--The Prisoner=====================69 IIA 88" Bug-eye===
 

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:01:32 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: RoverWeb, LROA, OVLR, et al. Bye-bye?

Folks, please!

We are Land Rover owners, not religious terrorists!  (Will someone assinate 
Dixon if he joins LROA?  (I know, he's already a member.))

My point is, it doesn't matter whose name is on the RoverWeb.  What matters 
is that the information is available!

Ben Smith and Dixon Kenner (I know them both) are both great guys, and more 
importantly, incredibly hard working LR pushers.  If they say they'll 
maintain the RoverWeb, then by gum it, you can bet it will be maintained and 
even expanded!

As to the LROA vs. OVLR thing.  LROA and OVLR are *NOT* in competition with 
each other.  BMW & M-Benz compete.  Apple Computer and Compaq compete.  LROA 
and OVLR should *COOPERATE*!  I think people need to watch a little more 
Sesame Street maybe.

Sure, OVLR is based in Canada, and LROA in the US, but who cares?  LR's are 
made in England, and sold just about everywhere.  physical location is 
irrelevant on the internet.  

The RoverWeb is being maintained by Dixon and Ben.  They also happen to be 
working on the OVLR web pages.  Well surprise, they're both members of OVLR. 
 Okay, so neither one sleeps.  So what?  The more the merrier!  

Yes, I've done up a couple of pages for the LROA.  Compare them to the OVLR 
and RoverWeb pages.  The LROA pages suck.  Why?  Because I don't have the 
technical skill nor the immense amount of time to put into it that Ben & 
Dixon have.  

A while back, I felt that the LROA should have some sort of web presence, so 
I typed up some outdated info I had laying around, and posted it for all to 
see.  Unauthorized, unofficial, etc.  If someone wants to make it better, 
please do.  But we need to work together to save our own butts.  (You guys 
should try owning an Atari computer sometime.  Then you might really learn 
what it means to work together for the common good!)

As to LROA and what's been happening with that...  My personal feelings have 
no bearing on the matter.  I didn't "back" anyone, and I can't think of 
anyone I've met in the LR world whom I wouldn't consider a friend.  

Yes, there were changes made recently.  Up until now, LROA has been a loosely 
organized club, with no formal by-laws or what-have-you.  This is great for a 
small club.  My Atari club is the same way, and basically has a 
president-for-life (me).  But LROA is now over 600 members, has a really good 
magazine, and expenses-versus-income.  It needs more organization.

OVLR reached this stage a while back, and managed to make it past this hump. 
 I certainly hope they will share their experiences and wisdom with LROA!  
(OVLR also has, perhaps, an advantage in that they're in Canada, and not the 
overly litigious US.)

Yes, there was a meeting, and new officers were elected.  One candidate was 
offered for each position, because only one person volunteered for each.  But 
these are only temporary elections (as I understand it) until such time as 
by-laws can be written, elections figured out, etc.  

And yes, currently all of the executives are located in N. Ca.  I agree this 
sucks, as does everyone.  There are people looking into how other clubs are 
able to handle spread out executives.  Suggestions are welcome.

OVLR is a great club.  LROA is a great club.  All LRO's are great people 
(unless they prove themselves otherwise.)  

Personally, I don't have time, interest, or a healthy enough heart to deal 
with this BS.  I like being a member of LROA and OVLR, and if I were rich I'd 
belong to BSROA, BRLRC, Flatland, etc. as well.  As it is, I've dropped my 
subscription to LRO because I can't afford it.  

When this gets to be unpleasant as this whole "RoverWeb Pilfered" thread is, 
I'll unsubscribe and unjoin.  Sure, I won't have the luxury of getting advice 
from others, and I won't be able to go on trips with others, but I'll be just 
as happy by myself with my 109" and my stuffed tiger.  

Maybe then I'll have time for my button collection, or that big stack of 
books to read or...

Let's grow up and be friends.  Let's work together for the good of our Land 
Rovers.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:00:46 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Discovery Woes

> Sorry for interrupting, but as a non-native English-speaking uhh typing
> member of the list, could any one explain to me what a ham radio is? I

Just listen to most any morning DJ in a US metropolitan area...   8^)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California

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