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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 29 Oct 95  8:53:53 EST
Subject: Re: 109 Trailer Harness and Work Light mod.?

Yes, it seems to be an easy fit for a 5-wire trailer plug. The one LR 
recommended tapped the wiring for the left-hand and right-hand turn signals, 
and the stop lights. Personally, I think I'd also hit up the taillights if I 
had them on the trailer, and don't forget a ground wire.

Your answer, however, is yes, it's easy to do.

If you need 4-wire, there are converters sold at trailer shops which wire into 
the taillights and have the proper 4 wires coming out. I believe these are 
about 10-15 dollars.

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From: JFisk1120@aol.com
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 12:35:06 -0500
Subject: Re: ESPN-2  & Camel Trophy

Jan checked with her contact at ESPN and determined that the Camel Trophy
special will be rebroadcast on two upcoming dates:
      1.  October 31st, 3:30 PM EST
      2.  November 5th, 1:30 PM EST
These are the only scheduled showings of this event and ESPN offers no copies
for sale.  

Gentlemen....start your VCR's!

J. Howard Fisk
Springfield, Missouri

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From: JFisk1120@aol.com
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 12:35:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Flatland Rover Society Mark Twain Adventure

This posting is a thank you of sorts to the stout hearts and reliable Rovers
of the Flatland Rover Society.  On the 20th, 21st and 22nd of this month,
this club sponsored a rally in the national forest along the Meramac River in
East-Central Missouri.  Five members of  our club, The Coventry Travel &
Safari Club, ventured to this action-packed event, some 150 miles from home.
 The setting couldn't have been more beautiful and the generosity and
goodwill of this club couldn't have been better.  Ray Harder will undoubtedly
post a review of this event, however, we in Southwest Missouri wanted to
extend a netwide thank you, because this is the kind of stuff that binds
together people of a common interest.  Rally host, Geoff Link of St. Louis
and Flatland President, Steve Paustian of Kansas City are to be commended for
the tone they set and the excellence in touring which prevailed at this
event.  An absolute "all for one and one for all" attitude guided this rally
and we at Coventry are proud to have shared the experience.

Best wishes to our friends,
Todd Houge, David Downing, Keith Strickland, Barrett and J. Howard Fisk
Coventry Travel & Safari Club
Springfield, Missouri

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From: JFisk1120@aol.com
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 12:35:25 -0500
Subject: Movie/Las Vegas Sightings!

Went out last night to see "Copycat"...a great "on the edge of your seat"
thriller...but more important, saw a preview for the new 007 movie coming out
"Goldeneye".  It was just a 2 second glimpse, but looked like an old Land
Rover being blown up again!!  
Looks like another typical Bond movie...having grown up with Sean "you can
never be replaced" Connery.....sorry Sean, Pierce will fit nicely into that
tuxedo!

Also, if you are in Las Vegas, catch the "Siegfried & Roy at the Mirage",
 the master illusionists extraordinaire!  In one act, they feature an older
Land Rover as a backdrop.  Fortunately, they make the elephant disappear, not
the Land Rover!  $75 bucks a ticket, but worth it!

Jan Fisk
"On my Christmas wish list....that James Bond BMW Z3 Roadster"
Springfield, Missouri

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Subject: Used Land Rovers
From: skidmore@mail02.mitre.org (William E. Skidmore)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:47:26 -0500

Anyone heard anything further on those six ABANDONED Land Rovers in West 
Virginia.
I emailed the poster, but have not heard anything other than the original 
posts and the web page at WVU..

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From: Inkornoink@aol.com
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 15:52:46 -0500
Subject: 110's

Jim -- as you are the proud owner of about a half a dozen rovers, including
one of the 500 1110's sold in NA, and one of the much more plentiful 90 RR
C's, I am hoping that you'll take a moment to hightlight your impressions of
the two...amd compare and contrast them.

I love my 90 RR C and am interested in a 110...with the latest news that
several military spec'd 110's may be available in Alaska...my interest is
even keener than b-4......your thoughts?

Thank you, in advance,
Hank Gregory
'90 RRc
Inkornoink@aol.com

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Subject: 7500 Mile Service
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 17:51:30 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

I just had my 7500 mile service done on my 95 Discovery and it cost a total
of $90 at the LR dealer just outside washington DC.

BTW, the LR being picked up in front of me at the service counter, don't
know what model, was one owned by the US Secret Service!
--
Gary Mitchelson                     
garym@racalrecord.com                                
N3JPU

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Subject: Re: ESPN-2  & Camel Trophy
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 17:58:47 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------

> Jan checked with her contact at ESPN and determined that the Camel Trophy
> special will be rebroadcast on two upcoming dates:
>       1.  October 31st, 3:30 PM EST
>       2.  November 5th, 1:30 PM EST

Did you confirm it was on ESPN-2 ?
--
Gary Mitchelson                     
garym@racalrecord.com                                
N3JPU

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Date: 29 Oct 95 18:55:11 EST
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: new 110 or old 109?

> Pardon my ignorance....but can someone compare the two vehicles...especially
> on the "ride".....thank you.

Problem is ...  you *can't* compare them.

As for "ride" : With the 110, if you hold the steering weel straight
it will actually drive in a straight line. The 109... not.
110 suspension/comfort is sedan-like (almost). In a 109, if you drive
over a cigarette butt you can feel with your ass whether it was with
or without filter. Get the picture?

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: glewis@MGDESTMX01.ERIN.GOV.AU
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 10:47:46 EST
Subject: Re: Series lll  Hand Throttle

<From: Joseph Broach <calas@UTKVX.UTCC.UTK.EDU>
<Subject: Re: Series lll  Hand Throttle
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
<* Since I believe it came mostly on diesels, maybe a way to raise idle when
<cold?

The hand throttle on my '71 Series IIA 109" petrol is particularly useful for 
negating dry and rocky riverbeds - allows constant revs over the bumpiest bits, 
and acceleration when it smooths out - also lets you hang your head out the 
window/door to pick a path over/around boulders!! 
                                                  |  //////
                                         ___      |   0  0
                                        /\ /\-----|-   L
                                       (  0  )----|-   0        
                                  -----------------|
                                |||||              |
                                _____              |__      
                               |LANDY|  ___________|< |
                                        | < > < > < > |
                                        | > <_____> < |
                                        |___/     \___|
                                           /       \

Also useful for tuneups and cold starts (particularly as my choke cable always 
sticks open if I use it! 8-(

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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 16:25:02 -0800 (PST)
From: "John C. White III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: ESPN-2 & Camel Trophy

Say there, JHF.  What was the name of that show again, and was it on ESPN 
or ESPN-2?

Cheers!
John

On Sun, 29 Oct 1995 JFisk1120@aol.com wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Jan checked with her contact at ESPN and determined that the Camel Trophy
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> Gentlemen....start your VCR's!
> J. Howard Fisk
> Springfield, Missouri

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Date: 29 Oct 95 19:26:33 EST
From: compuserve <72647.2641@compuserve.com>
Subject: Another Smashed Rover

It seems another rover has bit the dust in Ace Ventura 2, the prevue is a little
hazy
but it seems like it was by an elephants foot this time. Don't feel too bad us
BMW 
people are experiencing the same thing now, a classic 3.0 Cs coupe smashed by a
tree! what a shame.

Will C.

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Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 22:27:18 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: US Odins??

Scott Fugate speculated on The Next Generation of Rovers (Odin, et als) 
rolling out of the Spartanburg, SC beemer plant.  I wouldn't be surprised.

One of the principle reasons that BMW acquired Rover was that they had 
thrown cubic-mega deutchmarks at 4X4 project and failed to come up with a 
workable prototype.  So getting the world's most versatile vehicle along 
with passenger car lines and a host of name badges (MG, etc.) was cheap at 
twice the price.

Mercedes last year slipped to second place behind BMW (if you use combined 
sales for both Rover and BMW) and that thought steams them plenty.  MB's 
American plant in Tuscaloosa, Alabama is scheduled to open in two years and 
the its first US-built vehicle is supposed to be a variant on the 
Gelandeswagen.  It seems only logical that BMW would use their facility to 
construct the Odin though they have publically stated that a lower-priced 
sports sedan (200-series??) will be the flagship vehicle.  

Someone else requested info on Mid-Atlantic Rally T-shirts.  $15 plus about 
$2.50 postage to the address in the sig.block.  XL and a *few* XXL's only.

Cheers, y'all....
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: Steve Willey-pc <steve.willey-pc@attws.com>
Subject: Heater vents/controls '90 RR
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 21:17:47 -0700

LR Folk:

In my 'new to me' '90 RR I seem to only get heated airflow from the round 
vents directed at the windshield and not from the fascia louvers facing the 
cabin.  When I turn on the heat and move the left most vertical slider of 
the climate control settings to the down position I get a toasty 
full-bodied blast of heat from the round vents that is reflected by the 
windshield into my face and very efficiently dries out my contact lenses 
(not desirable).  When I move the same slider to the up position hot air 
flow form the round vents is reduced and cold or at least not-heated air 
flow from the fascia vents is increased.

>From reading the Owner's Manual and a little common sense it would seem 
that I should be getting heated air from the fascia vents.  What gives?

Two questions before I dig into the dash:
	Is this truly a 'bug' not a 'feature?'  i.e. should I really be getting 
heated air from the fascia vents?
	Shop Manuals and/or other reference for working-on and maintaining these 
trucks?  Is the shop manual valuable and/or worth the money?

Cheers,
Steve

Steve Willey
steve.willey@attws.com
Architectural Engineer
AT&T Wireless Services
206-803-7693   206-419-8044   Fax: 206-803-7404

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Subject: winch info reqd S2a
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 22:14:56 -0500

Today Peter, a friend of mine and I recovered the remains of a 2a 88 and 
a rolling if not somewhat rusted s2a 109 pickup from near Kingston Ont.

The 109 pickup has a very nice cast alumnium fairlead system with rollers 
both horizontal and vertical. The winch, I'm ashamed to say I forgot to 
see if it was mechanical or elctric but me thinks 'twas mechanical.

Anyhow, to look at the winch it looks somewhat like the Warn 8274, ie at 
the left is a tall housing with some levers on the side and a band brake 
and a drum coming out of itto the right. (I really think it was 
mechanical now that i think about it).

The top of the winch casing has a plate on it with the winch name on it 
and soemthign to the effect it was from Land Rover of North America on 
it.

Peter is now looking for info on it, does any one have any refernce 
material on this sucker, and yes I'll get the exact make and post it.

TTFN

Robin

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:29:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 109 Trailer Harness and Work Light m

Jeremy asks..

> Has anyone out there ever installed a trailer harness into an existing 
> 109 rear wiring harness?
/

Shouldn't be a big problem. You might be able to get access to all the wires
by pulling off the inside corner cover on the right side. Depending on where
you are (geographically) you might not like what you see. Typically,
moisture and dirt and road salts play havoc with Joe Lucas's silly
connectors and when you start disturbing wires you may have problems you
didn't have before. Keep in mind that the Rover uses three lamp filiments on
each side (tail lights, brake and directionals) which gives you five wires
total when you include the ground wire. The typical (US) trailer only has
two lamp filiments on each side. The tail lights are one circuit, the left
and right directionals make up two circuits which also double as the brake
lights. Four wires total, including the ground. You can wire it all any way
you want, but the typical (US) trailer has a flat four-wire plug. Your best
bet is to follow Al Richer's suggestion and get the converter. It works, but
how well depends on your Rover's wiring. I had problems with the
directionals on my SerIII with the converter attached. The same converter
and trailer works fine on my VW Rabbit. Go figure.

> The same questions also apply to setting up a work light connection (I 
> though I'd add this while I'm at it and must confess I've not consulted 
> the wiring diagrams on this one yet to check if there's an existing 
> connection point)
/

I don't think there is an existing wire in the harness. I'm assuming you
want to mount a light on the back of your 109. You will probably have to run
your own.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:39:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 7500 Mile Service

Gary Mitchelson tells us...

> BTW, the LR being picked up in front of me at the service counter, don't
> know what model, was one owned by the US Secret Service!
/

Actually, you didn't actually see anything about the Secret Service. There
was no Land Rover. And the dealer will deny any knowledge. It wasn't there.

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 01:13:19 -0500
Subject: Re. Range Rover Air Suspension

> Can anyone tell me when RR Classics here in the states had air suspension.

The March 1994 issue of Car & Driver had a Sport-Utility comparison test (the
RR came in 3rd out of 6).  They tested a 1994 model 100" County with air
suspension (The test was at Rovers North in Vermont)

Kevin Kelly

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From: KKelly6788@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 01:22:01 -0500
Subject: Range Rover Power Steering

I have a slow leak in the power steering box on my '89 RR.  Some sources tell
me that the box can be rebuilt and others have said that it must be replaced.

Has anyone had any luck with any of the "conditioners" that are added to the
power steering reservoir to stop slow leaks.

Any tips on the best PS fluid to use?  or is any Dextron II as god as the
next?

-Kevin Kelly

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