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1 sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM 21Look worse than a scratch to me!!
2 "S.W.Brierley" [S.W.Brie33SWAP:88" Hard top for Soft Top.
3 William Caloccia [calocc36[not specified]
4 sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM 28Fog generator
5 dcrow@bev.net (David Cro37Fog lamps and winches
6 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo24Skinny Tiers
7 Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs.16BMW
8 Jon Humphrey [jh5r+@andr19Re: This guy hates Land Rover!
9 "Bobeck, David R." [dbob30Happy ending... or is it beginning?
10 "Wharton, Skip" [wharton23Re-Emerging Patterns
11 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A17Re: Happy ending... or is it beginning?
12 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak42Re: Re-Emerging Patterns
13 LTC Larry Smith [smithla23 Re: Series lll Hand Throttle
14 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove12Range Rovers
15 "Mark Talbot" [Land_Rove15Discovery Steel wheels
16 ScottFugate_Group8@ctdvn27Re: Is a Pattern Emerging
17 asmith@BayNetworks.COM (24Re: Re-Re-Emerging Patterns
18 "T.F. Mills" [tomills@du40Re: LROA web page incorrect
19 PZavaletta@aol.com 22Range Rover Trailer Wiring Harness
20 "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak36Re: Discovery Steel wheels
21 John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv14Re: Range Rovers
22 PZavaletta@aol.com 30Re: 1993-1994 Range Rover
23 PZavaletta@aol.com 14Rally TShirt Info please
24 Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus [A49Re: Surplus Sales - 800#
25 [Chris_Browne@us014-bost40DISCO WHEELS
26 rnewell@dircon.co.uk (Ru8Ride height of SIII
27 "Wharton, Skip" [wharton25OK - you got me - it's Friday
28 TONY YATES [tonyy@waalp32Re: Discovery Steel wheels
29 "Wharton, Skip" [wharton23Perpetuation of the Species
30 "Steven Swiger (LIS)" [s34Towing Capacity
31 LANDROVER@delphi.com 29Re: Towing Capacity
32 Thouge@aol.com 24Rover Rally & ESPN2
33 cs@crl.com (Michael Carr33Re: Towing Capacity
34 "John Y. Liu" [johnliu@e13Much New Stock At British Pacific
35 maddeng@Apple.com (gary 16Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
36 jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (15Boyer Bransden Inductive Ignition
37 David Place [dplace@SIRN10Re: Series lll Hand Throttle
38 jhoward@argus.lowell.edu11Ace Ventura II


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From: sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 09:26:55 GMT
Subject: Look worse than a scratch to me!!

LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR
                 ____
       =A6   _____/=A6__=A6=A6   Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl>
       =A6  /(-8=A6  \   =A6   Avalon Green '95 Dicovery,
   ____=A6_/[]__=A6__\___=A6#  scarved for live
  =A6] __=3D =A6    =A6  __  =A6#
 [=A6_/  \_=A6 ___=A6_/  \_=A6]
   ( o )        ( o )

How hard did you hit the fence?  Did you manage to walk away from the
accident?  Is this the state it was in after the fire brigade cut you out?

Hope you recover from your injuries soon!

Steve (it's difficult to type with you tongue this far into your cheek) Reddock

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:30:46 +0100
From: "S.W.Brierley" <S.W.Brierley@dl.ac.uk>
Subject: SWAP:88" Hard top for Soft Top.

Hi, thanks for reading,

I am looking into the possibility of anyone swapping a 88" Hard top
for a 88" soft top and truck cab.
I am only getting an idea if anyone is interested, it aint a definate
at the moment.
My hard top is in very good condition and has the following extras:
Tilt/Removable sunroof (a la 90) ( doesn't leak)
Full lining on both roof and sides (car style lining-really smart)
Sliding rear windows (could do with new channelling).
Interior light (WOW)
Rear Spotlight (55W).
It is currently painted white (90/110 Style), and is good condition,
i want to see if anyone would be interested in swapping this for a 
good condition truck cab (any colour) and a tidy blue or grey tilt with
all ancilaries (colour important as it is going on a RED LandRover).
I wish to fit a Military style roll bar so want to fit a tilt over the top.

Anyone who may be interested in discussing the details, feel free to mail
me. Like i said earlier, it isn't definate, the interested parties would
have to be willing to travel this way to do the trade (Warrington, Cheshire)

Hope to hear from someone soon, byeeeeeeee.

Stu.	swb@xserv1.dl.ac.uk

EMMA- 3.5 V8 SWB Ser III, she may not be reliable, but hell, she's 
got character all right!!!!.

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Subject: On the Road Again. 
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 06:45:34 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

That's right, it is time for another adventure, this timey by Planes,
trains, Range Rovers, and maybe a hack or two.

As of this day, I'll no longer work for Stratus.

I can be reached via e-mail at 		caloccia@senie.com

and later November at			caloccia@openmarket.com	

With regards to a non-Stratus host for the mailing list server, works
are in progress to re-home the list at another site.  As that site will
be re-locating in two weeks, we plan to bring the list up there afterwards,
I hope we'll have it in service there before Turkey Day.

I'll be disconnected for a couple weeks, and during that period
Lloyd Allison will be keeping an eye on Major Domo.  As before, mail
should be sent to Majordomo-Owner@land-rover.team.net

Also I'll note that Lloyd has taken responsibility for watching over
the au-lro list, the regional list serving Austrailia and New Zealand.

(Any interesed parties are still eligible to volunteer to work with 
Majordomo managing the uk-lro, eu-lro, za-lro or rro lists.)

See my web page (schedule) for itinerary.

    Cheers,
	--bill	caloccia@senie.com	http://www.senie.com/billc/

   R  1  3  2wd  H           "Land Rover's first, because
   +--|--|   o   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  4wd  L            '63 SIIa 88"  - '72 Range Rover

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From: sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 10:36:36 GMT
Subject: Fog generator

I don't have much of a problem with fog any more.  I assumed that it was unique
to lightweight as the heater doesn't have an external intake.

One of the POs of the thing replaced the drivers windscreen with normal plate
glass!  When I saw this I decided a replacement was in order.  I decided on
a heated one because I get pissed off with having to drive with a squeegie in
one had if it is cold or wet.

It didn't work at all well at first.  I checked the wires and it had about 8V
across the element.  I improved this slightly and it will now keep the
screen clear in all the weather we have had this year.  It still doesn't have
the wellie to clear a fogged screen quickly. but until I rewire it it doesn't
have 12V across it.  I suspect it will be even better with 12V.

One word of warning, I use the heater element a lot and I have it switched
by the ignition as well as a dash switch.  Sounds obvious, but the number of
times I leave it on is untrue.

The rewire/repaint has been delayed due to my motor bike accident, should be
starting soon.  Watch this space for more horror SPOTs.

Steve

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:10:10 +0600
From: dcrow@bev.net (David Crow)
Subject: Fog lamps and winches

Hello All!

I know this is strange for a Land Rover owner to be talking about here, but
if there was ever a group of vehicle owners that were creative and skillful
in their ability to solve problems, well where else would you turn?   My
father-in-law is restoring a 1950 Studebaker and needs to obtain two (2)
GE/Mazda 4012-A (for Amber glass) bulbs to make his fog lights operable.
The rub is this:  I have already talked directly to GE to see if the bulbs
are still available (they're not) and none of the local auto parts stores
carry it because it is a 6-volt bulb!  I figured I'd check this merry band
of travelers before I call the local junkyards and get a bunch of stupid
replies.  If anyone out there can help, please respond direct to me.  Many
thanks!

Next, my 1971 SIIA has an old Belleview 6000# winch on the front.  When I
first made it operable in 1989, I called Warn, as they had bought out
Belleview.  The fellow I talked to said Warn purchased the 6000 pounder and
called it their M6000.  Then for the fun of it, they bench-tested the
critter and found it was good for 8000#, so they re-named it the M8000!  He
was good enough to send me a copy of the parts manual and I think an owners
manual, too.  If anyone would like a copy of the parts manual/parts list,
e-mail me with an address, and I'll snail-mail you a copy.  And, yes, it is
true, this winch is manual un-spool and power winching up.  I do need to get
new insulated bushings and to figure out how to tighten the power feed stud
on the motor case - I may just bite the bullet and have a motor shop look at
it; otherwise the winch is fine.

Sorry about the rambling.  Have a good weekend!

David Crow

1971 88" SIIA & 1988 Range Rover

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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Skinny Tiers
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 12:26:47 UNDEFINED

>I had wondered why the British tend to use, by US standards, such skinny 
tires.>My fellow Compuserver Robert Dennis wrote:
>>>I am a firm believer that thinner tires work much better than fat ones
>especially in the mud ... it allows the tire to drop through the muck to more
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>"chevron" tires up to its axles in goo that seemed firm when we walked on it
>prior to driving on it. (Took a backhoe to get that one out.) 

Yep. Here, most Landrovers are used by the likes of (hhhkk, ppttt) farmers. 
They use em on old tracks where there IS hardcore eventually, under the mud. 
So the tyres are designe d to cut. Lookas teh shoulder profile on the 
standards 6.5 Avons. Its alsmost circular............Floater tyres just spin 
on the surface and dont get enough pressure to teh hardcore to move the 
vehicle.

Across the pond, where they are more loikely to be used on bigger onpen 
trackless spaces, the likelihood is that flaoters would be much more use. All 
sinkers would do is bog you to the axles.

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:09:37 +1000 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: BMW

I talked to a L-R dealer who says that the L-R UK
people that he has talked to [*] are very happy with
BMW giving them money for projects.  Things were
always very tight before the take-over.

The planned BMW 4x4 is apparently not a badged L-R.

btw. I have just seen the Unimog 6x6 spec's -  eek!

Lloyd
[*] what is called "heresay".

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:23:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: This guy hates Land Rover!

Well, I'll tell you what. I am impressed.
This guy really knows his shit.
Damned junky, leaky, Land Rovers. Bah Humbug.
Geeshhh.

 
I can't believe anyone would buy one of those overpriced SUV's.  My good
friend bought a 4.0 SE this summer for pretty close to list price and it was
a totl piece of junk!!  
After a month of seeing large pools of leaking oil on
his garage floor and four trips to the dealer for this problem the dealer
said that they were unable to fix it and wanted to get him anohter one.  
Now he has a Suburban 4x4 and it has more room, more power, and has a
sparkling reliability record

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 10:39:58 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Happy ending... or is it beginning?

          Well after all my on-line whining about my frame,
          I found one for sale that was going to cost the
          same as repairing the old one. So I went to see it
          last night and am now the happy owner of an almost
          perfect swb frame. Also included was the winch I
          mentioned earlier, its an old Warn 8000, and the
          guy aon th ephone from warn called it "an old
          Bellview". It is in need of new cable and hooks,
          and a proper mounting set up. Also Warn offers a
          remote setup, instead of the old in cab and under
          hood controls. No replacement parts though. $675
          took the lot, and i must say I am now quite happy.
          Hooray.

          BTW, the items came from Gary Landis in Ellicot
          City MD, who although he's a bit quirky, does have
          some good vehicles for sale as well as the
          occasional spare part. Other people here on the
          net have had bad experiences hiring him to do
          major work, so be careful, but he does know his
          Rovers. Dr. Newman, if you're reading this, how's
          the Turner doing?
           Dave
           72 Series III "Sure Mom, the Rover's doing great"
          dbobeck@ushmm.org

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 10:47:06 EST
From: "Wharton, Skip" <wharton@mail.scra.org>
Subject: Re-Emerging Patterns

  TeriAnn writes:
  >The director of Land Rover Gmbh announced a new series of Land Rovers 
  >percision engineered for different markets.  The 3 series ... Next up the 
  >scale is the five series... For those towing trailers there is the 7 
  >series... for those who tow yaughts, we have the 8 series...
   
  >Four wheel drive optional at extra cost on special orders.
  
  TeriAnn, I was distressed enough to be reading the Beemer marketing philosophy 
  (all they need to do is stick on an "i" on any of the above and the yuppies 
  will go crazy...), but PLEASE tell me I'm not reading that last line like I 
  think I am.  This doesn't mean that they are going to push two wheel drives 
  like Jeep did w/ the Cherokee are they????
  
  Skip Wharton        wharton@scra.org
  From the Holy City of Charleston, SC, USA
  Series IIa 88
   

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 27 Oct 95 11:45:32 EDT
Subject: Re: Happy ending... or is it beginning?

On the cable and hooks:

You can get 5/16" cable, thimbles, clips and hooks from Surplus Center of 
Nebraska on the cheap.
I just bought a new 50' cable for mine for .34/foot for the cable. The whole 
thing, with thimble, hook and 2 clips came to 28 bucks shipped.
Seemed like a helluva deal to me... 

Call the 800 Directory Assistance for their # - it's listed.

     Alan

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 09:14:22 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Re-Emerging Patterns

In message <199510271448.JAA10619@butler.uk.stratus.com> "Wharton, Skip" writes:
;   TeriAnn writes:
>   >The director of Land Rover Gmbh announced a new series of Land Rovers 
;   >percision engineered for different markets.  The 3 series ... Next up the 
>   >scale is the five series... For those towing trailers there is the 7 
;   >series... for those who tow yaughts, we have the 8 series...
>   >scale is the five series... For those towing trailers there is the 7 
;   >Four wheel drive optional at extra cost on special orders.
>   >scale is the five series... For those towing trailers there is the 7 
;   
>   >scale is the five series... For those towing trailers there is the 7 
;   TeriAnn, I was distressed enough to be reading the Beemer marketing 
> philosophy 
;   (all they need to do is stick on an "i" on any of the above and the yuppies 
> philosophy 
;   will go crazy...), but PLEASE tell me I'm not reading that last line like I 
> philosophy 
;   think I am.  This doesn't mean that they are going to push two wheel drives 
> philosophy 
;   like Jeep did w/ the Cherokee are they????
> philosophy 

;
I had NO idea so many people would be taking this posting of mine seriously

IT WAS A SPOOF!!

It was an attempt at humor, not a real preannuncement of products or a guess at 
future Land Rover directions

I just thought the spoof was too obvious to warent a string of smiley faces

But I thought Land Rover Gmbh had a certain ring to it. ;*)

TeriAnn 

Geeeeee

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Date:     Fri, 27 Oct 95 12:41:24 EDT (1641Z)
From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil>
Subject:  Re:  Series lll Hand Throttle

Joseph,

We have an Australian Exchange Officer here at Fort Lee who helps me out now 
and again with my Series III.  He wondered where the hand throttle was on my 
petrol version.  We did some checking, and found the throttles were on diesel 
versions only.

Prior to Officer Candidate School, he served in several logistics units.  
During driver training, they were taught to use the throttle in cross country 
operations.  Reason given - no seat belts.  You therefore needed both feet 
firmly on the floor to brace yourself to keep from being tossed out of the 
vehicle.  The throttle allowed both feet on the floor and both hands on the 
wheel.

As an aside, he used to love it when the driver would pull up along side a
policeman at traffic lights.  As the throttle was/is on the passenger side, he
could then race the engine, incurring the wrath of the policeman at the expense
of the poor driver.

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 16:51:58 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Range Rovers

All, 

Can anyone tell me when RR classics here in the states had the air suspension 
put on them in County trim. I know they put air suspension on the LWB, but I 
remember reading somewhere that they did the same with the "short" RR. 

Mark

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 16:57:46 UT
From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com>
Subject: Discovery Steel wheels

I read the thread about Disco steel wheels. I got mine from Arrow services 
for my SIII. I beleive they cost me 20 pounds ea. I think I got mine here and 
through customs !!! Yes don't forget those guys for abput $250 total. 

As people who have seen Beryl will testify, they certainly make all the 
difference, better than white spokes. I have mine fitted with 265/75, I know 
they are oversized, but provide GREAT traction when off road. I never have to 
get on full lock that they become a problem 

Mark

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From: ScottFugate_Group8@ctdvns1.ctd.ornl.gov
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 13:09:14 EDT
Subject: Re: Is a Pattern Emerging

Gang,

FWIW, early this Summer the Greenville, South Carolina newspaper ran a story 
in its business section about SUVs in general and BMW 's lack of presence in 
that market in particular.  (BMW's NA plant is between Greenville and 
Spartanburg, SC.)   The point of the article was that BMW could not afford to 
stay out of that niche, and would probably build a SUV in the SC plant before 
long.  A question bantered about in the piece was whether the vehicle would be 
badged as a BMW or a Land Rover.  The writer of the article was obviously not 
up to speed on Land Rover, and didn't even mention the Odin project, I seem to 
recall.  

If I was a betting man, I'd bet we will see the Odin-derived vehicle roll off 
the lines in South Carolina before the year 2000.  Lets just hope the 
interloper will not besmirch the name of our beloved machines.

Scott Fugate
1970 IIA 88
1989 RR

BT

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 10:58:51 PDT
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: Re-Re-Emerging Patterns

So sad - I would have thought it would be just the Land-Cruiser and Miata mailing 
lists that would need :-) faces on their postings. I thought it was a pre-
qualification requirement before being allowed to subscribe to the british-cars 
or land-rover lists that you had watched the complete set of Fawlty Towers
and Python episodes at least twice through. Maybe we should alter the mail
exploder so that it automatically puts a "humour" warning at the head of every
broadcast message before we get sued!

Andrew Smith
Palo Alto CA USA

'60 Healey 3000 Mk.I    (daily driver until the Disco gets out of the shop ...)
'96 Discovery

> I had NO idea so many people would be taking this posting of mine seriously
> IT WAS A SPOOF!!
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> TeriAnn 
> Geeeeee

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: LROA web page incorrect
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 12:16:06 -0600 (MDT)

Mad Uncle Roger writes:

 It has come to my attention that a couple of things posted on the web page 
 that I've been working on for LROA are incorrect, and might possibly be 
 offensive.  
 
 Specifically, the page takes credit (on behalf of LROA) for organizing 
 (partially) the national rally that is really done by the Solihull Society.  
 I had no intention of stealing credit from the SS; I just copied stuff from 
 old papers I had laying about.  (I think there was at one point the 
 *intention* of sponsoring the rally.)  
 
 In any case, I apologize to all the members of SS, especially those who work 
 so hard to put on the rally. ...

 I hope I didn't screw things up betwixt LROA & SS....

Since I am probably the only person of Solihull Society's informal 
"executive" who has seen the web page or your apology, I suppose it 
behooves me to assuage your fears.  As far as I am concerned, no offense 
taken and no harm done!  Heck, we're the guys who drive those 
rhino-resistant vehicles, so we shouldn't be thin skinned ourselves.

And to really set the record straight, please don't think that Solihull 
Society has single-handedly sponsored the past several rallies.  We could 
not have pulled it off without the very generous co-sponsorship and 
tangible support of Rovers North, British Pacific, LRNA and its Colorado 
dealerships, and several very dedicated and hard-working individuals.  
(And I hope I have not in turn slighted anybody by giving insufficient 
credit where due!)

T. F. Mills  (Solihull Society newsletter editor)
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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From: PZavaletta@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:19:03 -0400
Subject: Range Rover Trailer Wiring Harness

Hello 

I just ordered from Rovers North the Trailer Hitch Kit (RRNA0925) and the 
Trailer Wiring Harness (PRC4143) for my '95 County Classic. I plan on 
installing both the hitch and harness myself - but would much appreciate 
any tips, pointers, things to look out for, do's and don'ts from anyone 
that has experience with these items. 

Please reply to the list or via email. 

Thanks in advance, 

Peter M. Zavaletta
'95 Range Rover County Classic (aka 'Winston'
Telephone: (210) 546-5567
email:     PZavaletta@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 11:21:10 -0700
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Discovery Steel wheels

In message <199510271702.MAA10822@butler.uk.stratus.com> "Mark Talbot" writes:
>; 
> I read the thread about Disco steel wheels. I got mine from Arrow services 
> for my SIII. I beleive they cost me 20 pounds ea. I think I got mine here and 
; 
> through customs !!! Yes don't forget those guys for abput $250 total. 
; 
> As people who have seen Beryl will testify, they certainly make all the 
; difference, better than white spokes. I have mine fitted with 265/75, I know 
> they are oversized, but provide GREAT traction when off road. I never have to 
;
I got mine from a local Rand Rover dealer. The steel wheel is the same as what 
comes standard on the US spec D90 that no one sells because they can get an 
extra US$1000 for the alloys.  When one accidently gets shipped with standard 
steel wheels the dealer removes them and replaces them with the alloys.

Dealer list for the steel wheels is US$183 ea.  I purchased a set of takeoffs 
for  US$ 85 each ($340 for a set of 4)  No shipping, customs or agent fees.

I too have 265/75 (BF Goodrich Mud Terrain) tyres on my land Rover (109).  This 
size seems to work very well on a 109.  The Mud Terrains grip extreamly well and
the extra height helps for clearence and highway speeds.  They are a bit noisier
than anything I have had on before though.

however this size tyre is too big for the Discoverys.  They tuck those tyres up 
inside the body under heavy articulation and need to be very careful not to have
too big a tyre  They seem to be extreamly capable off road cars as long as they 
are not in situations where they need a lot of ground clearence to get over 
objects.

TeriAnn

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:53:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Range Rovers

On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Mark Talbot wrote:

> Can anyone tell me when RR classics here in the states had the air suspension 
> put on them in County trim. I know they put air suspension on the LWB, but I 
> remember reading somewhere that they did the same with the "short" RR. 

The 100 inch wheelbase version was available in the US with the Air
Suspension for a while in 1994, then disappeared for a while, reappearing
as the "Classic" this year. 

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From: PZavaletta@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:57:19 -0400
Subject: Re: 1993-1994 Range Rover

To the gentleman from PA asking about a '93 or '94 LWB, I am not sure 
whether it was the '94 or the '95 LWB (now discontinued) that 
incorporated the fascia and dash of the '95 County Classic (100" WB), 
which to a great extent is borrowed from the Discovery. To many the 
redesigned dash is superior to the design that it replaed. 

I love my Classic. With over 7700 miles, I have had absolutely no 
problems whatsoever, there isn't a single squeak or rattle in the car and 
it performs flawlessly on and off-road. The only caveat is that the 
engine took about 4,000 - 5,000 miles to break-in and is now very, very 
responsive and quick. 

I haven't missed the extra rear-seat leg room of the LWB and I certainly 
didn't miss the price difference between a new '95 LWB and a new '95 
Classic ($@52k vs. @42k). Also, the Classics will no longer be made so if 
you can get one, it truly is and will be a 'Classic.'

I would be happy to answer any additional questions or comments you might
have

Peter M. Zavaletta
'95 Alpine White Range Rover County Classic 
Telephone: 210 546  5567 
email:     PZavaletta@aol.com

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From: PZavaletta@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:57:14 -0400
Subject: Rally TShirt Info please 

To the person that posted ordering information for left-over rally 
T-shirts, could you please repost ordering information and price? 

Thanks, 

Peter Zavaletta
Telephone: 210 546 5567 
email:     PZavaletta@aol.com

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 27 Oct 95 15:19:48 EDT
Subject: Re: Surplus Sales - 800#

I realize this is primarily of interest to the US/Canada types - my apologies 
to Reality.....(TM)

Re: Surplus Sales:
>Couldn't find it. Do you think you could try to get it?

The number is 800-488-3407, or 402-474-4055. FAX: 402-474-5198

As an amusing aside, this outfit has MilSurplus PTO winches, 8000# rating for 
629.99. They're made to go on military stuff, but I'm sure they could be hacked 
onto a Rover.... Other goodies are Ramsey 8Klb. hydraulic winches for 799.99. 
Ibuy from these folks now and then, as they've got all sorts of Mil-Spec 
surplus goodies.

On the cable:

5/16" cable - PN 308-C - .34/foot
3/8 " cable - PN 308-D  - .49/foot

And so on.....

{Mscellaneous groveling over straight lines deleted....<grin>}

          BTW, I couldnt get the winch to freespool out,
          hope I didn't get F$%#&d over. I think/hope it's
          just the tangle of wire.

You did release the clutch and brake, right?  The two levers on the side have 
to be set so that the motor is disconnected from the geartrain and the side 
brake is released. If not, you ain't agonna go nowhere.....

           Also I'm assuming your winch is basically
          identical to mine, but you might know differently,
          so let me know.

If it's the Warn M6000 or M8000, it's basically the same winch.
If it's a Bellview, it is the same - don't know that they ever produced 
anything else.

     Cheers
          David
          Green Car
 

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Date: 27 Oct 95 15:56:51 EDT
From: <Chris_Browne@us014-boston-minet.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: DISCO WHEELS

---------------------------------- Forwarded ----------------------------------
From: Chris Browne at US014-BOSTON-MINET
Date: 10/27/95 1:41PM
Receipt Requested
Subject: DISCO WHEELS
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============== Begin part 2 ==========================

     HI JIM:
     225/75 FIT WELL MANY PEOPLE USE THEN IN UK FOR BFG MT-CAMEL TROPHY 
     DISCOS HAVE I HAVE READ 7.50 X 16 MICHELIN XCLS THAT SHOULD BE 
     AVAILABLE. THESE GIVE A HIGHER GROUND CLEARANCE BY ABOUT AN ONCE BUT 
     IF LR DOES IT THEY MUST FIT. CHECK WITH RN WHO HAVE THE 94 USA TEAM 
     CAMEL AND BE ABLE TO HELP - I BELEIVE THAT CAMEL'S HAVE HEAVIER (DEF 
     130) SPEC AXLES AND SUSPENSION SO THIS INFORMATION IS WORTH CHECKING 
     OUT CAREFULLY BEFORE ACTING
     
     HAVE ALSO SEEN 7.00X 16 TOO
     
     235/85 X 16 IS METRIC VERSION OF 7.5, BUT THEY LOOK ALOT WIDER TO MY 
     EYES AND I WOULD HESITATE UNTIL CLEARENCE COULD BE PROVEN - I HAVE 
     CROSSAXLED MY DISCO (OPPOSITE WHEELS OFF THE GROUND) ONCE SO FAR WITH 
     NO ILL EFFECTS AND HAVE NO PLANS TO MODIFY MY CHILDS BODYWORK BY 
     PLAYING WITH TIRES
     
     BFG TRACEDGE IS AVAILABLE IN 7.5 X 16 UNKNOWN FOR MT/AT THIS IS A GOOD 
     TIRE
     REGARDS
     
     -
     PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME MT 225/85 X 16  

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 20:16:21 +0000
From: rnewell@dircon.co.uk (Russell Newell)
Subject: Ride height of SIII

Does anyone know what the correct ride height for the rear springs of a
SIII LWB. Mine seem to be sagging a bit. Do heavy duty springs make a
difference to the ride height?

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 16:10:42 EST
From: "Wharton, Skip" <wharton@mail.scra.org>
Subject: OK - you got me - it's Friday

        
        TeriAnn, thank you for being merciful in your response - I got a little 
        jumpy when I got to the last line of your original message.  I am 
        red-faced both from the exertion of jumping to a conclusion without 
        reading the message carefully, as well as from being snookered.  Suffice 
        it to say, I'll be more careful in the future, and watch you guys like a 
        bunch of snakes...:*)
        
        The Beemer plant is here with us in the GOOD Carolina, and I've been 
        hearing vague reports of an SUV being manufactured there at some point 
        in the future - I just figured someone on the Rovernet would have more 
        facts than I did... and it WAS a masterfully written, beastly little 
        article... So - if this is the only time I feel like a knucklehead while 
        communicating through this medium, I'll be totally amazed.
        
        With Warm (and Very Humble) Regards,
        
        Skip Wharton
        From the Holy City of Charleston, SC, USA
        Series IIa 88" 

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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 05:46:20 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: Discovery Steel wheels

On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Mark Talbot wrote:

> I read the thread about Disco steel wheels. I got mine from Arrow services 
> for my SIII. I beleive they cost me 20 pounds ea. I think I got mine here and 
> through customs !!! Yes don't forget those guys for abput $250 total. 

Don't want to gloat too much, but I got a set of Discovery steel wheels 
for free.  When I got my last lot of tyres (235/85) I went to a place 
that was next door to the main LR dealer in Perth.  Seems that all the 
new Disco owners were specifying alloys and the dealer was (almost) 
literally throwing the old steels over the fence.

Cheers.

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:05:54 EST
From: "Wharton, Skip" <wharton@mail.scra.org>
Subject: Perpetuation of the Species

  
        If you haven't taken the time to look at Dave McKain's Home Page that he 
        mentioned in an earlier posting you should do so.  He has done an 
        outstanding job of clearly presenting these old elephants... there's 
        some beauty in them thar hills...
        
        Also, Rick Crider sent me some pictures of Hugo, his '66 Series IIA 109 
        that is for sale, so I can try to generate some interest here in 
        Charleston and in Hilton Head... Rick's e-mail description of old Hugo 
        didn't do it justice... this is one very nice vehicle.  I only wish I 
        could manage it - but maybe next time.
        
        I have set up a web page with three pictures of Hugo - similar to Dave's 
        web page - will have up on Monday... you'll see what I mean...
        
        Skip wharton
        From the Holy City of Charleston, SC, USA
        Series IIa 88"

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:03:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Steven Swiger (LIS)" <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu>
Subject: Towing Capacity

Howdy all,

I have a question regarding the towing capacity of my truck.  My friend 
has a 23' powerboat that weighs in @ 5800#.  It is on a dual axle 
trailer.  I don't know what the total tongue weight is.  I just installed 
HD springs... Can I tow this?

Thanx for all help...
steve

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      |_|____I OO o o OO ___|_______________|___ OO o o OO ____|
	   0  OO o 0 o OO			OO o 0 o OO
	       OO  o  OO     "Tread Lightly"     OO  o  OO
              	 OOOOO				   OOOOO
       		           Florida Rover Canvas
	Steve Swiger   
	swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu
	(813) 980-1013
	(813) 253-0905 (Work)

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 19:44:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Towing Capacity

Steve asks..

> I have a question regarding the towing capacity of my truck.  My friend 
> has a 23' powerboat that weighs in @ 5800#.  It is on a dual axle 
> trailer.  I don't know what the total tongue weight is.  I just installed 
> HD springs... Can I tow this?
/

Probably... BUT.  Trying to tow a large trailer with ANY short-wheelbase
truck can be VERY squirley. The heavy trailer will push the '88 all over the
road. Friend of mine was towing a double-axel trailer with a VW bus with his
'88. It started swaying coming down a hill and went out of control. He wound
up in a field, flipped over the Rover and the trailer. Fortunately, no-one
was hurt. So, if you absolutely have to tow it with the Rover, just be very
careful.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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From: Thouge@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 19:56:18 -0400
Subject: Rover Rally & ESPN2

Last night (Thurs. 26th) at 9:25, I was searching for something on the tube
came accross a piece on the Camel Trophy trials and race this past year.  It
was on ESPN2 and lasted till 10pm, I would guess that it started at 9.  The
guide reads billiards in this time slot, if this is billiards, I'm buying a
table!  If anyone knows of any time that it might be aired again or where I
could get a copy,  I would like to know.  

While I'm on the computer I'll tell of an excellent group of Land Rover
owners in the KC area that welcomed us last weekend in eastern MO.  The
Flatland Rover Society held a successful rally/campout in which there were 13
series rovers (all 88" I,II's, &III's) , 2 defenders, 1 Disco, 1 Rangie.
 Long trail rides and good technical driving.  Only one rover on its side
with no injuries.  Lots of good people in the group...the only one on the
list that I know of is Ray Harder. :-)

Todd Houge
SIII 88"
Springfield, MO  USA

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:08:34 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Towing Capacity

 Steven Swiger <swiger@luna.cas.usf.edu> writes:

>I have a question regarding the towing capacity of my truck.  My friend
>has a 23' powerboat that weighs in @ 5800#.  It is on a dual axle 
>trailer.  I don't know what the total tongue weight is.  I just installed
>HD springs... Can I tow this?

 Do you feel comfortable towing something that weighs more than your own
 truck?

 In this State, California, I believe that you need trailer brakes on
 anything over 3,000 lbs.   Also trailer hitches are limited by class and
 weight.  According to Draw-Tite's brochure,  the lowest Class I is 2,000
 lbs. Gross Trailer Weight (GTW) with a 200 lbs Tongue Weight (TW), Class
 II is 3,500 GTW and 300 TW, and Class III is 3,500-5,000 GTW and 300-500
 TW for weight carrying trailer hitches.  For weight distributing trailer
 hitches, Class III is 4,000 GTW and 350 TW, and Class IV is 5,000-10,000
 GTW and 500-1,000 TW.  Judge for yourself, but it appears at 5,800 lbs
 you're at the highest rated receiver --and not just four bolts to a rusty
 frame :) and Draw Tite recommends a Full-Size Cars, Pickups, Vans, and
 Utility vehicles as the towing vehicle.  Next question...  lights!!

 Treading Lightly!

 Michael Carradine, Architect                          Ph/Fax 510-988-0900
 Carradine Studios, PO Box 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597 USA    <cs@crl.com>
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:40:50 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Much New Stock At British Pacific

British Pacific in Burbank CA recently got a large shipment of LR parts.  I
browsed through it today.  There was lots of stuff for Series vehicles, and
some parts for Range Rovers and Discoveries too.  I bought a set of door
interior trim panels (upper and lower pieces and armrest) at $130 for both
right and left doors, and a pair of folding rear bench seats for $98 each.
Their interior stuff is mostly PWB.  They also had front seats in plain
vinyl, Series III style, and high-back cloth, center seat boxes, and other
goodies.

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 17:26:42 -0700
From: maddeng@Apple.com (gary madden)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

- TeriAnn, surely you gest!  Think of the price hikes to pay for the
tooling on all those high-rpm/low-torgue multi-valve engines (not my
favorite power curves for off-roading).  Next we'll see recyclable Landies.
 Did you say the Odin was based on a 318i chassis with air filtration???

>Dateline Bavaria
>The director of Land Rover Gmbh announced a new series of Land Rovers
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
>And for those who tow yaughts, we have the 8 series with it's mighty V12.
>Four wheel drive optional at extra cost on special orders.
>TeriAnn

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 20:23:30 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Boyer Bransden Inductive Ignition

Has anyone out there tried using the Boyer Brande inductive discharge 
system for electronic ignition?  Do they perform as claimed?  I 
understand that this is a relatively cheap, no basic alteration, add on 
type unit that greatly reduces point wear and hence timing accuracy.  
I've not contacted the UK sources yet; I assume they're still around.  
I'd be installing this unit in a SIIA 109 converted from + to - earth.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 23:15:25 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: Series lll Hand Throttle

In Canada at least all petrol Land Rovers I have owned (8) have had hand 
throtles.  They are easy to install and in very cold weather are quite 
handy.  Having said this, I took it off this vehicle when I restored it 
because at the time I broke the lever and couldn't fix it.  I miss not 
having it however.  Dave VE4PN

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 22:04 MST
From: jhoward@argus.lowell.edu (James D. Howard II)
Subject: Ace Ventura II

I just saw a preview of the new "Ace Ventura" movie, which contained a
Land Rover.  This was on the Comedy Channel during a showing of "The
Gods Must be Crazy", of course.  The preview showed a Land Rover being
crushed by a monster truck.

James

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