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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:21:09 +1300
From: jawa@i-max.co.nz (Leonard John Hobart)
Subject: Re: 90 R-Rover burns oil int #5 cylinder

, and it burns quite
>a bit of oil in the # 5 cylinder. We noticed it when we changed 
>plugs. all the other plugs are fine, but the #5 usally comes out 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>oily. 
>Any words of advice from the rest of the rover world.
As only one plug comes out oily, some cheap, first try suggestions. Look at
the simple things first (you  probably already have). 

 Are the plugs are in the " too cold" range??

Has one of the HT leads from dist, to plug failed. (hard too tell sometimes
with a V8)

Please, what is the PVC crap you are referring to.

regards John

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:21:34 +1300
From: jawa@i-max.co.nz (Leonard John Hobart)
Subject: Re: 101 Brakes

>I drove his 101 yesterday, they are a bit weird to drive aren't they!
>Cheers, Steve.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]

>I drove his 101 yesterday, they are a bit weird to drive aren't they!
>Cheers, Steve.
No, they are realy neat, on a gravel road, you can "hang that arse end out",
(only 109s of course) and still feel safe. ( rem, The short ones can flick)
but they are mostly  forgiving.  :-))
this is not an encouragement to be a hoon

regards John

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:29:09 +1300
From: jawa@i-max.co.nz (Leonard John Hobart)
Subject: Re: Progress?

>>        "If cars had progressed as quickly as computers in the last twenty 
>>        years, then a typical passenger automobile would get 200,000 miles to 

Sorry I don't agree. You are comparing cars 90 odd years or so into their
middle age development with computers early in the rapid phase of their
infant growth spurt development.

regards John :-) 

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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: Wrangler tyres
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:56:22 +0100 (BST)

This may have already appeared and I just missed it, but here goes
anyway. Goodyear have recalled a large batch of Wrangler tyres;
specifically the 205x16's (commonly fitted to Range Rovers) Those
subject to recall have the letters 104S following the size appearing on
the wall of the tyre. There is a freephone number (UK) you can use to
arrange for your tyres to be replaced which I can't remember but I could
dig out if necessary.
My brother has just had 4 tyres replaced and fitted by Goodyear's
agents. Apparently the problem is to do with excess porosity of the
rubber, so that they go flat over a period of time.
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(01475) 530581  Fax:(01475) 530601

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:00:00 -0400
From: gkleiman@gemgroup.com (Gary D. Kleiman)
Subject: Looking to purchase 93-94 RR LWB

I have started to look for a 1993 or 1994 Range Rover LWB.  I currently 
drive an 88 RR.  I would be interested in comments about the LWB versus the 
regular wheelbase model and if there are any options which I should try and 
get.  Also, were there any significant changes between the model years which 
would lead me to want one year over the other?  I've seen quite a few 
available in the Philadelphia area and wonder if people are trading them in 
because of problems or a dislike of the ride or handling.  Any advice would 
be appreciated.  

Thanks, Gary Kleiman
Sent by:
Gary D. Kleiman                                Phone: 610-971-9500
President                                                 Fax: 610-971-1770
The Gemstone Group, Inc.             E-Mail: gkleiman@gemgroup.com
801 The Safeguard Building
435 Devon Park Drive
Wayne, PA 19087

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:31:18 +0700 (GMT+0700)
From: Phairoj Phatsorpinyosakul <cnxpphts@cmu.chiangmai.ac.th>
Subject: More Power out of Disco Mpi

I am using the Disco Mpi (2-litre petrol engine). Does anyone know how to 
draw more horses out of the Mpi's 2-litre petrol engine? Turbo charger 
for instance, would that be possible?

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From: PDD777@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:56:59 -0400
Subject: Ignition lock sticking & squealing brakes

I have a '91 Range Rover and the ignition sticks when I put the key in (the
key goes in fine, but it won't turn).  I've had this happen about a year and
a half ago and had to replace the lock.  Is this common?

I checked with a parts guy (not a Range Rover parts man) and he said
sometimes when you put a lubricant in it makes it worse.  This was my
experience with the previous lock.

I had a locksmith look at the previous lock and he wouldn't touch it (never
seen one like it).

Any ideas?  Should I use graphite or some other products?

Also, any tricks to limiting the brake squealing?  I've tried the "Permatex"
type stuff (doesn't work) and shims, but it still makes too much noise.

TIA

Paul Duggan
PDD777@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 08:55:22 PDT
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: Metric Land Rovers

>And I'm not speculating: Just
>a few days ago a former school classmate of mine who is now head of the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 12 lines)]
>Stefan
><Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

Interesting.  Just read the other day that all known oil reserves added up 
to only a 35 year supply at present use rates.   (Source was a bit biased 
toward ecology so I'd guess that it is a very worst case estimate.) 
Kinda of interesting since on some of our local outings 30-40 year old LR's
show up.  Anyway, I'd suspect that local (national) governments effort will
have a relatively minor affect on what sort of vehicle one is driving in the
future.  To many real global influences like income vs supply and demand of 
basic resources in equation.  Yea, through taxes, road building efforts, 
regulations, etc they can influence what you buy.  But that is just putting 
minor blips in a market largely driven by consumers, technology and 
availability of natural resources.  Personally I hope someone solves
the battery problem soon.  My ultimate LR would have 4 wheel drive by way
of 4 independent electic motors.  All that 0 rpm torque that can be applied
to any or all wheels in any direction!  Would be nice to get to the top
of the mountain and be able to see across the valley too.  (Yea, I live
in California, USA.)

Rick Larson 

Richard Larson
LSI Logic Corporation
(408) 433-7149

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Subject: D90 Problems
From: skidmore@mail02.mitre.org (William E. Skidmore)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:14:39 -0400

Folks;

It may be that w/>39k miles on it since Apr '94, my D90 may be experiencing 
some problems that y'all will eventually get around to.  The latest is a 
low-frequency vibration that occurred at around 1000 rpm, usually in third 
gear, when decelerating.  
This has been occurring since around 13k miles, but have just recently gotten 
around to having the dealer check it out (it helps when a dealer is only 
10miles away now, versus >50 where I used to live!).  Seeing as how I'm 
approaching the 42k mark, I'm paying much closer attention to fixing things 
that are warrantied.

The dealer looked over the problem the first time, and proclaimed that the 
exhaust heat shield needed to be adjusted, which he did (at no cost).  When 
driving home, afterwards, the problem was more prevalent and more noticeable.

I took the truck back in this last Friday, and the dealer informs me in the 
afternoon that there was something wrong in the center diff or transfer case, 
and that he would need to keep it longer, the schedule to be that on Monday - 
open up diff and xfer cases to inspect, order parts (Fedex) over Tuesday and 
replace them on Wednesday.  Seeing as how the D90 is my primary vehicle, this 
concerned me, but my wife's car is filling the absence, at least temporarily.

Yesterday afternoon I called up, and the rep says that there was actually a 
problem with the xmission's mainshaft, and that he'd need to keep the truck 
until at least Friday, to replace the part.

Now, all of this is under warranty (I made sure to confirm that).  I won't 
know for sure what the problem is until I have the chance to talk to the mech 
(Service Reps generally know how to fill in the service form, but not much 
else, especially with drivetrain internals). 

My question is has anyone else ran into similar problems?  If so, what is the 
fix?

Bill

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:39:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Ignition lock sticking & squealing brakes

On Tue, 24 Oct 1995 PDD777@aol.com wrote:

> I have a '91 Range Rover and the ignition sticks when I put the key in (the
> key goes in fine, but it won't turn).  I've had this happen about a year and
> a half ago and had to replace the lock.  Is this common?
> Any ideas?  Should I use graphite or some other products?

Paul -- I found graphite etc to help considerably in mine.

> Also, any tricks to limiting the brake squealing?  I've tried the "Permatex"
> type stuff (doesn't work) and shims, but it still makes too much noise.

I had the same problem til I got my latest set of pads from the dealer and 
asked them what they do to stop squealing. They chamfered the edges of 
the pads and gave me some dark gooey stuff to put all over the backs of 
them -- it seemed to work!

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:56:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Petrol versus Batteries

On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Rick Larson wrote:

> Interesting.  Just read the other day that all known oil reserves added up 
> to only a 35 year supply at present use rates.   (Source was a bit biased 

The 35-40 year figure has been the one quoted since time immemorial; in 
40 years from now there will still be a 40 year supply, just as there was 
40 years ago. More oil keeps getting found, and as the price goes up it 
becomes feasible to extract it from more and more difficult places. 
When the price gets high enough, it can be extracted from coal, of 
which there is a thousand year supply.

So .. Don't hold your breath!

While on the subject -- don't forget that even if someone "solves the
battery problem" the so-called zero emissions vehicles using batteries are
really nowhere near zero in emissions. The well-meaning bureaucrats, 
politicians and so-called environmental advocates involved in this issue 
don't seem to understand you have to burn oil or coal (or build nuclear
power plants or dam up more rivers) to generate the electricity to
recharge them. You also have to open new mines and chemical plants to
produce the batteries, and find a way of disposing of the batteries at the
end of their life. All this produces as much pollution as you would
driving your late model, clean burning Rover. 

Cheers

John Brabyn
89 RR

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From: "RUPERT.OJ.HINE" <R.O.J.HINE@sms.ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:10:39 +0000
Subject: 101 Brakes

Steve,

I have a 101 and have had brake problems, I also don't know the right 
way to bleed the brakes but I do know the wrong way!!!
My fluid reservoirs were leaking and perished and I had the fluid 
absorbing the water from the air and the brakes were becoming rather 
unpredictable, especially in damp weather (I am currently in 
Edinburgh, so that is most of the time!) so I decided to change them, 
a nice quick job (silly me!).

I decided to use those nice Easi-bleed things that you can buy in the 
shops and starting with the back brakes started to bleed the system, 
after 1 pump of the pedal the system locked solid, however there was 
no failure warning light, so I assumed that the failure switch had 
not been displaced and so I continued to try and bleed the brakes. 

After about a litre of fluid and still no joy I was "starting" to get 
irritated and so I checked the failure light, and on fiddling with 
the connector found that the last chap to connect it had done it the 
wrong way round and so it wasn't working! When connected correctly it 
glowed happily! (in contrast to me!)

After that and stopping believing in the Easi-bleed things I found 
someone else to stamp on the pedal and I went back to bleeding the 
brakes. Eventually I managed to expell most of the air from the 
system, just before the MOT!

I think the answer is to start bleeding on the left side (RHD 
vehicle) at both ends at once using good old fashioned bits of tube 
immersed in jam jars of brake fluid with an assistant in the drivers 
seat operating the pedal. Also the failure switch may need bleeding 
but the book says nothing about that!

Anyway good luck with the overhaul

Rupert

Hi there, are there any 101 people out there?  A friend has a 101 and he is
about to overhaul his brakes.  He has heard rumours that there are some
particular problems with bleeding these things.  Is this true or do you
do it in the same way as most vehicles?  Does anybody know the magic sequence
of sorting them?

I drove his 101 yesterday, they are a bit weird to drive aren't they!

Cheers, Steve.

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:53:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Heater matrix/valve

HI Trevor, About your note,

>While fitting the valve we also noticed that the VW heater matrix and the 
>SIII matrix were very similar in size. The VW unit is about 1 inch longer, 

I don't know matrix as relating to heater,, Is it the core unit??
If so,do you still actual measurement in inches? So I can relate it to a late
IIA which is similar to III.
Also I've been using a heater valve from autoparts store Stant H404.
It is 5/8" straight through, cable controlled.(oiled and used original cable)
Mounted the valve closer to firewall out of the way. And used 5/8 hose all
the way.
Replaced my 69 control which was in the way of thermostat replacement, and
required 1/2" to 5/8" piece of hose stupid designed thingyears ago when the
heater was not getting real hot,and I discovered the valve was restricting
water flow.
I think the valve is for a Ford P/U but that is of no matter.

Regards,
Bob Bernard 
LROA/NA

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:03:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Petrol versus Batteries

On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, John Brabyn wrote:

> 40 years ago. More oil keeps getting found, and as the price goes up it 
> becomes feasible to extract it from more and more difficult places. 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> which there is a thousand year supply.
> So .. Don't hold your breath!

	Very true... Canada has a several thousand year supply of oil up 
	in the Tar Sands in northern Alberta.  Estimates show there is
	more oil there than in Saudi America.  Getting it however is not 
	cheap.

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:02:31 -0700
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Disco Nerf Bars, etc.

It is not uncommon for folks to replace that trim under the doors with steel 
rails, but I don't know if it's as easy as bolt on replacement.  There's a 
small company here in southern California called Safari Gard that 
manufactures and installs the rails, as well as integrated winch/bush 
guards, roof racks, etc., and I've seen the company's Disco outfitted with 
all of the above, very nice.  Unless I misunderstood what I was hearing, the 
side rails double as compressed air reservoirs.  Another advantage of these 
rails is that you can apply a lift to them anywhere.

Let me know if you find a bolt on solution.

-Matt

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:30:25 EST
From: "Hadley, William H." <whadley@INETGATE.ushmm.org>
Subject: "We call that a two step Land Rover."

     Well hello there!
     
     Well, I am going to start the rebuilding of my (Dot 3 contaminated) 
     hydraulics soon and was wondering if someone could give me a brief 
     low-down on steps and what exactly I should replace or rebuild. I also 
     am not sure what I should use to flush the system and by what means.
     
     I asked awhile back about places in London to get parts and 
     accessories and only heard about a few, namely Brownchurch and a place 
     by the airport. I'm going to London on November 8th and will be 
     getting brake and clutch stuff while I'm there so I would appreciate 
     anymore suggestions. Also, are there any good Land Rover sights I can 
     check out? Museums with old Rovers?
     
     More questions: 
     
     To Washington DC Land Rover owners; Is there affordable insurance 
     coverage in DC? I am using Nationwide and they have no classic or 
     antique coverage and the premiums are Crazy expensive.
     
     I know I'm a bit late but I still wanted to say I had a blast at the 
     Mid-Atlantic...Thanks for the "15 Min." Jeff Berg. Mary Beth thanks 
     you as well.
     
     Righty-O
     
     Will Hadley
     whadley@ushmm.org
     
     small green stationwagon from 1962 with the name "Nessie" 

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:35:04 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Soccer practice

         Roger-
          You wrote "if you want something to to drive
          around in or haul the kids to soccer practice, get
          a 4-Runner..."

          What's wrong with taking kids to soccer practice
          in a Landie?! That's what mine used to do...

          Respectfully,
          Dave Bobeck
          72 SIII SWB- Green Car (and getting Greener)
          dbobeck@ushmm.org

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:39:02 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: swb version

          Stephen-
          you wrote "is this what the short wheelbase
          version of your 110 would look like?"

          Natch. 'Cept the 90 (assuming, by door
          handles and roll up windows) could prob'ly do it
          without the winch. 'Course it'd be just as happy
          taking the kids to soccer practice...
          Cheers.
          Dave & Green Car (used to plow driveway and take
          kids to soccer games, according to PPO)

          /~~"~~"~~"~~\
         |~~~~~~|~~~~~~|
         |_/_KXXXXXI_\_|      Ok, this one looks better if
         d--=TO~#~OT=--b      you squint. notice winch not
         |eo |#####| oe|      in use, since only going to
         |___|w111j|___|      soccer practice :-D
         ~KX==(o)====XX~
          KX         XX

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 11:42:10 PDT
From: rlarson@lsil.com (Rick Larson)
Subject: Re: Petrol versus Batteries

>From brabyn@skivs.ski.org Tue Oct 24 10:10:40 1995

>The 35-40 year figure has been the one quoted since time immemorial; in 
>40 years from now there will still be a 40 year supply, just as there was 
>40 years ago. 

Yea, I actually live in the real world.  I know that for every "scientific"
projection by one wizened grey haired scientist one can find an opposing view
by and equally distinquished colleague.  I've no desire to defend the 40 
year figure.  Do know that we are pumping crude out a lot faster than it is
being made though.  The gasoline from coal story has the same
"just wait till next decade" ring to it as fusion, solar, tide generated, etc.
forms of "alternative" energy sources have.

>All this produces as much pollution as you would
>driving your late model, clean burning Rover. 

Also understand the "total" polution argument against electric vehicles.  
In California, electric vehicles would allow us to move the polution out 
of the valley's where we live and into say, Nevada, Oregon, Arizona, or Mexico.
Kinda of like the US Great Lake state use the prevailing winds to relocate
their pollution into Canada.   Purely selfish on my part.

Am under no delusions that I will be able to buy a pratical electric LR
vehicle anytime soon, despite CARB's mandate.  (California's Air Resources
Board recently decreed a small % of vehicles sold, by a given manufacture,
in '97? must meet a zero emissions standard.  Anyone know of LR's plans?)
Do expect that in the next 50 years or so our definition of personal
transportation will undergo some radical transformations.

-Rick

>Cheers
>John Brabyn
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>John Brabyn
>89 RR

Richard Larson
LSI Logic Corporation
(408) 433-7149

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:33:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Disco Trailer Wiring

On Oct 23,  2:25pm, Robert Watson (CNA) wrote:
> Subject: Disco Trailer Wiring
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Attn: Trailer Pulling Discovery Owners....
> Don't rush out and spend US $70 (or so) for the LR Trailer wiring harness
if
> you are just going to pull a "flat-4 wire" trailer.  (L-Turn, R-Turn,
Running &
> Ground). I just got a 5-Wire/4-wire converter and a "flat-4" harness and
> spliced it into the trailer adapter wires. Total Cost (including Wire Loom
for
> exposed trailer wire: $25. It works like a champ and the connector hides
under
> the bumper when not in use.
> There are a bunch of other wires in the harness (9 in all) for such things

as
> the reverse lights, Battery, fog lamps, etc. If anyone is interested, I
could
> post the wire details (I don't have them at the moment or I would do it
here.)

I would very much like to have the full wiring callout. My dealer could only
scribble out the obvious ones: running (black, brown (one for each side ????
- kind of weird - like one side is moving and one isn't :>)), turn (left
green, right yellow or vice versa), and brake (red) and of course white for
ground. I have no idea what the other 3 are although I suspect that blue was
reverse, and one was electric brake and the other were constant hot.

> When I called a trailer place, I asked them what they would charge and they
> said, in addition to the $70 LR Trailer harness, they would need another

$40 to
> add the 5-4 adapter. The only thing missing from the back of the rover is a
> decent place to hook the safety chains. The little diagonal brace bars are
OK,
> but I was thinking of having a plate with holes mounted to the bottom of
the
> receiver. Other than that the Disco pulls a 15' trailer quite nicely.
> -- Bob W.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 22 lines)]
> Mountlake Terrace, WA 98043
>-- End of excerpt from Robert Watson (CNA)

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:38:47 GMT
From: Steve Jennings <stevej@nodeknot.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Diesel Series II Heater Plug Problem

Following a posting to rec.autos.4x4 someone suggested suggested 
that I ask you folks if anyone could help a friend of mine.

He has a Series II Landrover with a Rover diesel engine. When he
bought it the heater plugs in Pots 1 & 4 appeared to be new.

He ran the engine for about 5 mins before the middle of the heater
plug in pot 2 blew out. So he replaced it. Only to find that heater
plug 3 blew the middle out. So he replaced that. Then pot 2 blew out
again. Deciding enough was enough he is now looking for advice as to
what the problem is.

Anyone got any ideas? 

Thanks in advance.
-- 
Steve Jennings - stevej@nodeknot.demon.co.uk

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:39:00 PDT
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: Disco Nerf Bars, etc.

> There's a 
> small company here in southern California called Safari Gard that 

Anyone have a more accurate pointer to this company? e.g. area code.

Thanks,

Andrew Smith
Palo Alto CA USA
'96 Discovery

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From: kirkwood@strider.fm.intel.com (Clayton Kirkwood)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:51:19 -0700
Subject: interesting news

I just read the most recent Popular Science (sep 95) and it had a listing of
various manufacturer/model changes upcoming. For Discovery, there is a
redesign for 1998 which includes standard 3rd row seats. For Defender 90,
there is a CB40, small new hardtop which joins the lineup, 2.5L V6.

Some good news and some bad news. Bad news for the Discovery is that they
will apparently make the seats hard to get into like on the LandCruiser and
all. Bad idea. This is one of the (many) nice features of the current
Disco's.

Good news for the Defender 90, it sounds like they may be keeping it around.
Bad news is, that it sounds more like a BMW - small, and 2.5L V6. (It
probably will say BMW on the block, and will have electric mirrors, windows
and so on.
Oh well.

-- 
Clayton R. Kirkwood, FM1-58, 916 356-5838

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:05:53 -0400
From: heydan@tiac.net (Dan Winkler)
Subject: Discovery Skid Plates

Can anyone tell me where I can get skid plates for a Discovery?  Rovers=
 North of Westford, Vermont (802-879-0032) says they can order them from=
 England for me, however the cost with shipping for a set of two aluminum=
 skid plates would be approximately $2000.  I think I could have them made=
 for less.  Does anyone know of other sources or alternatives?

The reason I'm interested is that I've already dented my front steering=
 stabilizer by driving over a log, but replacing that only costs $90.  I=
 don't think I'd install a $1000 front skid plate to protect a $90 part.

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:08:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Discovery Skid Plates

On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Dan Winkler wrote:

> Can anyone tell me where I can get skid plates for a Discovery?  Rovers=
> The reason I'm interested is that I've already dented my front steering=
>  stabilizer by driving over a log, but replacing that only costs $90.  I=
>  don't think I'd install a $1000 front skid plate to protect a $90 part.

Good point Dan. I believe Southdown 4X4 in the uK makes them but I'd have 
to look up their phne no in LRO ads.

I've often wondered about the practicality of various bolt on parts to 
protect headlights, grille, taillights, steering stabilizer etc which 
cost more than the parts they are protecting and in the case of skid 
plates lower the ground clearance. But I think some well designed skid 
plates would be great.

Cheers

John

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:17:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: interesting news

On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Clayton Kirkwood wrote:

> I just read the most recent Popular Science (sep 95) and it had a listing of
> various manufacturer/model changes upcoming. For Discovery, there is a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> probably will say BMW on the block, and will have electric mirrors, windows
> and so on.

Clayton, 

Personally I have nothing against electric windows and mirrors, but from
what I've read the CB40 is a whole new model, not a Defender successor or
replacement. It doesn't look like the kind of vehicle the armed forces of
the world will use. It has unibody construction and competes with the Kia
Sportage, Suzuki Sidekick and Toyota RA-4, I think. I hope it doesn't
depart from the Land Rover tradition of best-in-class off road ability
though. 

Another bit of gossip is that BMW will be taking over big engine 
production incl diesels and Rover will concentrate on small engines.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89 RR

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Soccer practice
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:27:47 -0700

In fact, the 1995 Discovery brochure shows how the Disco with the rear seats 
can darn near take the whole team to practice.

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From: 	Bobeck, David R.[SMTP:dbobeck@ushmm.org]
Sent: 	Tuesday, October 24, 1995 12:35 PM
Subject: 	Soccer practice

         Roger-
          You wrote "if you want something to to drive around in or haul the 
kids to soccer practice, get a 4-Runner..."

          What's wrong with taking kids to soccer practice in a Landie?! That's 
what mine used to do...

          Respectfully,
          Dave Bobeck
          72 SIII SWB- Green Car (and getting Greener)
          dbobeck@ushmm.org

    _____
   /___|_\___     Bob Watson <a-robw@microsoft.com>
  |   |   |  \                  6405 235th Place SW
  |---|___|___\____     Mountlake Terrace, WA 98043
  |  _|   |   | _  }\
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/

 \_/

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:08:49 PDT
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Rugger practice (was RE: Soccer practice)

> In fact, the 1995 Discovery brochure shows how the Disco with the rear seats 
> can darn near take the whole team to practice.

... and any of the little b@%*!&s that won't fit *inside* can be strapped to
the roof-rack or rhino-bars with expedition-grade bungee cord :-)

Andrew Smith
Palo Alto CA USA
'96 Discovery

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:25:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: re:Consumer Reports on Discovery

Uncle Roger comments...

> I'll be the first to admit that if I could, my LR wouldn't be my only car.
> I definitely need something more practical for commuting and around
> town.  So I'm looking for either an Electric Vehicle or a DeLorean.
/

What was that about a "pleasure in being mad"?? OK.. Considering your in the
great western bozo land of automotive regulations, an Electric vehicle might
be OK.. But a DeLorean? Come on, Roger. Practical??

Cheers
Mike

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:38:07 -0700
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Disco Nerf Bars, etc.

I have the Safari Gard phone number at home, I'll post it tomorrow.  I know 
others on the list have had more direct contact than I, but I've met the guy 
that runs it and admired his '76(?) Range Rover, which he regularly tortures 
on the trail.
-Matt

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:12:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Slade <slade@teleport.com>
Subject: Anti-skid wing tops?

I saw a diesel 109 3-door today that had some black covering on the tops 
of each wing.  Apparently this is something that you can put on there so 
that you'll have more traction?  I'm not a long-time rover owner, but 
I've never had to worry about standing on the wings, much less falling 
off.  

I've also noticed some diamond plate patches advertised in LRO for much 
the same purpose.  Do people really stand up there?  How much weight will 
a wing support?

While I'm thinking of it, where does one get the brackets that can 
attatch a pick-axe or shovel to the wings?  What are some of the other 
things Land-Rovers can have attached there?

Just lost of trivial questions that I know someone out there can answer.

Later,

Michael

slade@teleport.COM  Public Access User -- Not affiliated with Teleport
Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-1016 (2400-28800, N81)

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:08:17 -0400
Subject: Re:Subject: Rally T-shirts

Sandy and his folks are too modest.  I requested one of his t-shirts and it
arrived late last week.  It is a beautiful, quality t-shirt with an excellent
design on the back.  It is worth acquiring.  Get one!
Gerry "what's the metric equivalent of XXL?" Elam

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:51:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Them's the brakes

All,

    Looking for the collective wisdom on brake options for my Series II
    88.  When I first got it, I replaced every line and junction in the
    system; found the best set of used master and slave cylinders and
    honed them properly; replaced all seals; and filled the system with
    silicone brake fluid.  I did all of this because single brake
    systems worry me (I burst a seal on my 1965 Jeep pickup years ago
    and destroyed a Chevette...)  I have been happy with the results:
    It has worked flawlessly the last five years.

    Now that I have so much go-power (thanks to Turner engineering and
    an overdrive) I'm getting concerned about stop-power again.  I have
    gathered the obvious parts to convert over to a dual braking system:
    -- dual master with vacuum unit and pedal assembly
    -- new brake light switch for pedal (current one is hydraulic)
    -- clutch master with integral reservoir (current uses dual can)
    -- new master lines, plus 3 way junction (current is 4-way + switch)

    Obviously I'll have to do some fender cutting to fit this in, but it
    should be a fairly straightforward swap.  Has anyone done this part
    of it and have any advice about anything I'm missing or am not
    considering? 

    I believe the brake master is a different bore to compensate for the
    vacuum assist; does it also require different bore wheel cylinders,
    or will the existing ones (stock for 1960 88) work fine?

    Is there a better wheel cylinder setup I should move to?  I can just
    change backing plates and do something different.  Would a 109
    braking setup work better?  Does that alter my braking ratio in a
    bad way?

    Even better (albeit more expensive!) is there a disc brake setup
    that bolts on in place of the drums that fits the older Series
    axles?  Or let's get really crazy: can one weld leaf spring mounts
    to newer axles and use them on Series vehicles?

    Duncan, desperately seeking friction

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 21:50:45 -0400
From: tcoron%starfleet@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Tom Coron)
Subject: Adios My Friends

 
Looks like I'm going to have to drop off the list for awhile. I'll
still be reachable at this address, but can't receive the digest.
Until I'm able to get a private Email account that doesn't require a
long distance phone call, I'm going to miss reading the digest with
my morning coffee.
You can still email me at   tcoron@starfleet.nswc.navy.mil  
  
Dixon, Trevor, Steve - I've got some pictures from the mid-Atlantic
rally, and will send you a copy if you give me your snail-mail
addresses.

AMF,
     Tom Coron
     King George, Va.
     66 IIA 88  export RHD

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:54:43 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Stutterin' speedos

The stuttering speedo has returned.  The speedo jumps around *but* the 
odometer works just fine at the same time.  If I stop and restart, most 
likely the speedo behaves normally.  Given these symptoms, the cable/sheath 
and nut tightness on the output shaft seem to be fine...the problem has to 
be in the speedo head.  OK, the question: has anyone ever taken one apart?  
A while back, I pulled it out, but dismantling the device seemed a tad to 
difficult - plus I couldn't figure out a non-damaging way to open it up.  I 
settled for spraying some WD-40 into it (which worked for about 4 months).  
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Rugger practice (was RE: Soccer practice)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:41:18 -0700

>> In fact, the 1995 Discovery brochure shows how the Disco with the rear seats 

>> can darn near take the whole team to practice.
>.... and any of the little b@%*!&s that won't fit *inside* can be strapped to
>the roof-rack or rhino-bars with expedition-grade bungee cord :-)
But I thought I bought the 9 Pax Disco. You mean the rack over the driver ISN'T 
for 2 kids?

Honey, get the kids off the top of the Disco....

    _____
   /___|_\___     Bob Watson <a-robw@microsoft.com>
  |   |   |  \                  6405 235th Place SW
  |---|___|___\____     Mountlake Terrace, WA 98043
  |  _|   |   | _  }\
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/

    \_/

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:42:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John C. White III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Petrol versus Batteries

Saudi America?  Where's that?

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery
San Francisco, California

On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Dixon Kenner wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> 	in the Tar Sands in northern Alberta.  Estimates show there is
> 	more oil there than in Saudi America.  Getting it however is not 
> 	cheap.

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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 20:01:25 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Them's the brakes

 Duncan Brown <DB@cho004.cho.ge.com> writes:
>    Is there a better wheel cylinder setup I should move to?  I can just
>    change backing plates and do something different.

 Mike Hoskins of Mid-America Rover in Kansas City, MO is working on
 having backing plates made to fit Series Land Rovers.  These backing
 plates will then use all-American wheel cylinders, shoes, and drums, etc
 for heavy duty stopping power.  Contact Mike at his ph/fax 816-763-3797
 or write to 10708 College Ave., Kansas City, MO 64137.  Note that Mike
 also compiled a list of Series Aftermarket Parts available in the US
 to be seen at http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Mercedes-Benz Unimog 4x4 WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/unimog.html

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 00:47:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Stutterin' speedos

Sandy asks..
 
> The stuttering speedo has returned.  The speedo jumps around *but* the 
> odometer works just fine at the same time.  If I stop and restart, most 
> likely the speedo behaves normally.
/

Any chance the lubrication on the cable has dried out a bit. The cable could
be snatching and twisting a bit which might cause that problem.

>  OK, the question: has anyone ever taken one apart?
/

I pulled apart the speedo on my Triumph (which also is a Jaeger unit) once.
You have to rotate the front bezel ring a bit before it will come off. Then,
there are two screws holding the guts in the case. 

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

 

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 00:47:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Them's the brakes

Duncan wants to stop...

>     Obviously I'll have to do some fender cutting to fit this in, but it
>     should be a fairly straightforward swap.  Has anyone done this part
>     of it and have any advice about anything I'm missing or am not
>     considering? 
/

You will also have to cut the bulkhead to fit the later-type of pedal
assembly for the brake master cylinder. 

>     Even better (albeit more expensive!) is there a disc brake setup
>     that bolts on in place of the drums that fits the older Series
>     axles?  Or let's get really crazy: can one weld leaf spring mounts
>     to newer axles and use them on Series vehicles?
/

Seen a disc-brake setup on a Ser III one time. Looked pretty snazzy, but I
can't remember exactly how it was done.

Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 725-1859                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078      -USA-   1965 Ser IIa 88 Petrol ("Sidney")      
              7          1972 Ser III 88 Petrol ("Fern")
           #:-}>         1971 Ser IIa 88 Petrol (Parts is Parts)

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