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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Oz?
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 9:38:37 BST

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> Regards to all.
> M Falcon
Just a guess...Aussie=Ozzie=Oz?
Mike Rooth

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Metric Land Rovers
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 9:36:56 BST

Wrong.We still get pints.And Metrication has little to
commend it.It maybe wouldnt be too bad if it *was*
the metric system,but it isnt.Its the SI system,which
was such a cockup when it was invented about 1912 that
they darent introduce it then.Its taken until now for
politicians to get steadily more asinine,until they
reached the current state of brain deadness sufficient
for it to be foisted on a British public that neither
wanted that,nor wanted to be "European",whatever *that*
is.
If our political "masters" had any sense we would have
adopted the American system.Except for pints.Theirs are
smaller than ours.Imagine it!We have here a system so
stupid that it cant differentiate between its liquid
and silod measures.So you get vehicle luggage space
specified in litres.
I carry a six inch rule in my top pocket.Try *that*
with a metre one!
And why is it,that a vegetable importer recently
appeared on TV saying that when he imports from
Holland,they sell to him in hundredweights?And
that this is standard?
And what is so magic about the number ten anyway?
You only get cold feet trying to count up to twenty.
And you need to teach your children,as a separate excercise
to count to different bases.With the Imperial system this is
built in.See how many numbers you can divide ten by and end
up with a whole number.Then try it with twelve.
And why,if its such a marvellous thing,dont you *use* it.
You have centimetres,mtres etc,and all you seem able to use
is bloody *millimetres*.Whoever heard of a Land Rover 2235.2.
And thats the wheelbase,not the engine size.Personally I
prefer to call it an 88".
Any system that,to get used,has to be enforced by *criminal*
law has serious flaws.
Sorry,mate,but many of us will continue to use the Imperial
sustem.And I was born English,not British,Scots,Irish or
Welsh,and certainly not European.And English I remain.
Choosing my owm friends,not having them dictated to me by
some parliamentary wallies,or worse,some halfwit in Brussels.
And as for the computer industry having standards,that's
about the funniest thing I've heard this week!Of all the
industries in the world,the only one dedicated to non-
standardisation computing is *it*!In 35 years in computing,
the only "standards" its ever adopted,are those imposed upon
it by other industries,such as tape manufacturers,paper makers
etc.Standards my...er...foot!
Long live Whit,BSF,UNF and UNC.
The British inchworm will not be replaced by the millipede!
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Airborne SII
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:27:05 BST

> At least they used a "Surplus" SII and not a nice SIII !!!!

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Bukinghamshire
> United Kingdom
Bang! You're dead.
Mike Rooth

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From: sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:16:19 BST
Subject: Metrication

Hi all, if we are going metric shouldn't we increase the accuracy at the same
time?  After all the 90 was really 91.5 or something wasn't it?

Pass the wooden spoon, I've got lots more stirring to do.

Steve Reddock

Did I mention I'm going to play at the Land Rover Experience this weekend?

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:09:56 -0200
From: Tertius van der Gryp <tertius@cssgroup.co.za>

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:08:40 -0200
From: Tertius van der Gryp <tertius@cssgroup.co.za>

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:11:47 -0200
From: Tertius van der Gryp <tertius@cssgroup.co.za>

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From: sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:28:51 BST
Subject: Radar traps

A Scottish police force recently complained about damage to one of their
radar guns when a constable pointed it at a low flying Harrier.  The gun has
been suck at 300MPH ever since.  I always wondered how fast you had to go
to break these things.

The MoD later said that they were lucky there was so little damage to the
gun as the plane had registered a radar lock and the normal course of action
in this circumstance is to fire an air-to-surface missile.  Fortunately the
Harrier was unarmed.

All I need now is to mount a surface-to-surface missile platform in the
back of the lightweight and I won't need to worry about speed traps any more.

Steve, Lightweight, never reached 300MPH in it (yet!).

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Subject: going metric
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 06:27:26 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Well, actually, though the wheel bases may be metric, as it is now part of
a German concern in the European Union it would fall under mandates
from Brussels, which is standardizing vehicle model numbers. 

The model numbers must contain the engine size, in deci-litres, a body style
or range identifier (numeric), with specific alphabetic tags, as required.

 ---- f o r w a r d e d     m e s s a g e ----

Thus the basis of the Rover line would require the inclusion of

	16 20 22 23 25 26 35 38 39 40, etc.

representing the engine size.

Then the appropriate suffix must be added
	D - diesel
	e - einspritz (fool injection)
	T - touring (station wagons only, 5 drs)
	t - turbo charged
	L - for luxurious (long wheel bases only)

Additionally a model nubmer must be included, so
	100	- Series I
	200	- Series II, III, or Defineder
	300	- Discovery
	500	- Range Rover Classic
	600	- Range Rover (new)
	
Thus the translations are as follows:

	SI 80"		116
	SII 88"		222	2.25 petrol
	SII 109"	222	2.25 petrol pick-up or hard top
	SII 109"	222T	2.25 petrol station wagon
	SII 109"	226T	2.6 cyl petrol station wagon
	Stage one V-8	235 	
	US Disco 5dr	339Te	3.9 petrol, injected
	Tdi Disco 	325Dt	tdi
	2dr classic	535	3.5 carb 
	4dr classic	539Le 	3.9 injected
	4dr new		640Le	4.0 injected

	etc.

Please re-badge your older vehicles appropriately with the company logo
and the number by 1 April 1996.

All new badges for older Rovers will be availble from your local BMW dealers,
from 20 ECUs per number/character, 150 ECUs for the logo.

Failure to properly identify the vehicle will cause problems at either end 
of the Channel Tunnel.

Yours,
	Committee Consulatative de Affairs Consumer de l'Automobile
	EU Parlement
	Oct 1995

 ---- e n d   f o r w a r d e d     m e s s a g e ----

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Diesel vs. Petrol which one?
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:39:54 BST

OK,I run a 2.25 diesel 88".Personally,I like it,but I'm
not in any hurry to get anywhere.Which is just as well.
Its a strong unit,in mechanical terms,and isnt any more
difficult to work on than its petrol derivative.But.If
I was in the USA,I probably wouldnt bother.You've got
all that cheap petrol!
I'm not sure what you mean by ID-ing it.If you take
the sump off,you can see whether its a three or five
bearing crankshaft,which will roughly date it.Not sure
when the five bearing came out,but its nearly certain
it *will* be three bearing anyway.
If the heater tap on the head is at the front its ex
S111,if at the back,with a little wheel valve tap thingy,
its a 11 or 11A.Unless export machines were different.
As for spares,they are still readily available over here,
but in general a little more expensive than petrol spares,
where they differ.The pricey things are injectors and
the distributor pump.Getting them set up costs.
Unless you know a friendly NCO with the knowledge and
the kit?
Having said all that,Andy Grafton,late of this list,drove,
or rather *is* driving a diesel 109 down to Africa.
This vehicle,one of two,was O/D equipped,and averaged 50mph
on the trip from here to London,with a 1 1/2 ton load aboard.
The engine has been rebored and reconditioned.It no longer
ahs the O/D because the other expidition vehicle was not
so equipped and they wanted them both the same.
If you *do* decide pro diesel,one thing I would strongly
recommend is ordering a set of parallel wire heater(glow)
plugs from the UK.Sorry,parallel *wired* plugs.
Chances are you'll need a new set anyway,and the series wired
ones are a pain.They go by trade union rules."One out,all out".
And the parallel wired ones are no more expensive,or very little.
Made by a firm called "Dieselglow".At least then,if you lose
a heater plug,it can start on the other three!
One thing on the diesel that is horrendously expensive,compared
to the petrol engine is the starter motor.At least,again,it is
over here.
I've tried to be fairly objective,but bear in mind I'm also a
committed Oily Wadder.I rather suspect,though,its going to
be spares availability in the US that will be the deciding
factor in your case.
Hope this is some use to you.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Trefor Delve <delve1t@nectech.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Land Rover Experience
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:40:00 GMT

Steve,

You did mention it in passing, once or twice (or three times or ...)

Trefor.

tdelve@nectech.co.uk

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Date:     Fri, 20 Oct 95 7:42:50 EDT (1142Z)
From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil>
Subject:  Used tools

To all,

Wondering if anyone out there, especially on the left side of the pond, might
have some Whitworth ring or combination spanners and sockets to sell.  Looks 
like I may have to do a gearbox rebuild or exchange and I want to get prepared.

Thanks in advance.

'til later,

Larry

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Frames and corrosion
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 08:22:00 DST

David Bobeck wrote "This is by far the saddest thing that has come to pass 
in the short time that I've owned this thing," and "I'll never pay this much 
for another Rover that has this much rust on it."

David, all is not lost. The Series III of this vintage is quite prone to 
corrosion but if your chassis has solid sides and bottom it probably has 
several years left in it. Just give it a good oil spraying inside and out to 
slow the process down and start saving for that galvanised chassis. Whatever 
you do, don't start extensive strip downs to repair frame rails as you will 
surely disturb something that can't be fixed easily and end up spending 
bucks that could have gone towards the new chassis. The frame is 
significantly overbuilt and can stand quite a few extra holes before it is 
too weak to hold up the vehicle. Our son, Alexander's,  Series III (74) is 
similarly afflicted but will survive until we can get around to a new frame. 
By the sounds of it your frame is much better than his.

Trevor Easton 

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From: William Terry <wterry@sartre.minerva.bah.com>
Subject: Trying to reach Mark Perry
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:43:35 -0400 (EDT)

Sorry for the spam, but the address on his last post isn't working for me.

Mark,

Please, email me and I'll try using a respond. I want to discuss something, 
but don't want to take the bandwidth on lro.

TIA, Bill

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From: "MR PETER KEMP" <PKEMP@lark.ru.ac.za>
Date:          Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:05:36 GMT+200
Subject:       greetings

Hi Folks,

Greetings on behalf of the Border Land Rover Owner's Club in East 
London, SA.

I'm new to the Net and have enjoyed browsing the endless 
contributions that flood in on a daily basis. (I nearly hurtled 
straight over a traffic circle in a Reliant Robin years ago, and 
decided from that moment on that a Land Rover was the only answer. At 
least I'd get to the other side in one piece!)

I mentioned the Net at our meeting last night and immediatly was hit 
with a request from one of our members.

He has a  1979 Range Rover RHD with a Rover V8 3528cc  215c. motor.

He is desperately looking for the following performance headers :

Headers Primary 41.275mm (1.625") dia.
Header length to be as long as possible
Short tuned primary length. All radii similar if possible
Long collectors. 63mm on weld flange

This type of header was used on the Paris - Dakar vehicles.
He's had no luck in this country. Is anyone able to help?

Many thanks

Pete Kemp.

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From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:45:54 +0001
Subject: Re: Airborne SII

Sorry Mike, you seem to be a bit hot headed today! First you blasted me away
on my ( sarcastic ) replay on your Imperial system, thouhgt the Imperial
died ages ago 8-} though. And now you just shot the bloke in his radar
locking police getching Land Rover( or was it a Harrier after all ?)

Take a pint on my account ;-)

Cheers
Roy Wassili.

P.S. my girlfriend familyname is also Rooth, and she seems to be a bit hot
headed lately too.  Is this a family matter?
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
Roy Wassili, system manager      Phone : (+31)205663501
Academic Medical Center,         Fax   : (+31)206091271  
the University of Amsterdam      e-mail: wassili@amc.uva.nl
Lung function dept. C2-434                                
1105 AZ AMSTERDAM
The Netherlands

      8-) The Jeep may be famous, the Landrover is legendary (-8

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Metrication
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:03:26 BST

Acuuracy? With metric? No,no,Steve,its already been detuned.
By guvmint decree there are only 25mm to the inch,instead
of 25.4.
Quite what this makes a 127" wheelbase I'm not certain.
Er....long?
Welcome to the system that puts bolts in loose,and leaves
them to rust tight.
I've got a new unit of measurement to propose.The Lucas.
One Lucas equals the length of a SWB wheelbase.So you
can have S1 Lucas,S11A Lucas etc.This is divided into the
Octo-Lucas.So a S111 Lucas is composed of 88 Octo-Lucas's.
Since its not fixed,it can be all things to all people.
Called Lucas International.
If you are a LWB fan,you cna use the Agrilucas.This is
like unto the other one,but bigger,and suitable for use
by farmers,civil engineers and the like.Taking the 100"
chassis as a base it is divided into AgrideciLucas's.
Which accounts for the shut lines on the Classic Range
Rover,which are one Agridecilucas in width.
We will no longer use the Horsepower rating,nor this
silly kilowatt thing,since we run IC engines,not nasty
electric motors.The horse being somwhat alien to our
continental friends,we will,instead,use the Donkey,
or Ass.I leave it to your collective imaginations to
define one Asspower.Particularly in the States.....
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:19:14 -0400
Subject: Q: Airbags and Rhino Bars

Here's the quandary:

LRNA has "rhino bars" for the Disco, painted steel, $600.

British Atlantic has "rhino bars" for the Disco, different
design (which I like better), nylon coated steel, $400.

LRNA says that theirs "is airbag compatible".  BA says
nothing about airbag compatibility, one way or another.

I'd prefer the nylon coated steel, being up here in New
England (land of salt spray and salted roads).  Does anybody
have a clue on airbag interaction with rhino bars?
	
	-Bill Yerazunis

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From: sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:39:57 BST
Subject: Engine power

Mike, personally I prefer the rice pudding skin engine power measure.

Your average 2.25 LR lump will just about pull the skin off a rice pudding,
the 2.6 lump will pull the skin of a cold rice pudding.  The 3.5 V8 will pull
the skin off two cold rice puddings simultaneously.  The 4.6 V8 will pull the
skin off three rice puddings, provided the traction control will let it apply
that much power.  I could go on, but I'll spare you.

The rice puddings are of course metric sized and the temperature will be
measured in degrees Celsius, not Kelvin or degrees Fahrenheit.

Steve Reddock

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:07:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Metric Land Rovers

On Fri, 20 Oct 1995 wassili@AMC.UVA.NL wrote:

> P.S. Be aware that the next time you order a pint, you'll get *TWO* metric
> glasses 8-D. Two beers for the price of one! Aint that great!?

	You get two glasses because there is more than one metric system.
	Half the mess doesn't even properly relate & is esoteric in
	nature.  In fact a lot of it has nothing to do with nature.  Meter
	is as arbitrary as the yard...  Better quit before this gets real
	long...

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:25:28 EDT
From: tdj@fore.com (Tom Des Jardins)
Subject: Re: Q: Airbags and Rhino Bars

>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>Here's the quandary:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
>England (land of salt spray and salted roads).  Does anybody
>have a clue on airbag interaction with rhino bars?
>        -Bill Yerazunis

OK, since we're on the subject of "airbag compatible" what the hell does it
mean?  The air bag needs a sensor to tell it when to deploy.  The sensor
needs to do two things: determine if a sufficient Delta V along the x axis
of the vehicle has been experinced, and of the correct sign (eg you're
slowing down because you hit a  [tree|car|rhino] not because you were rea
ended by same).  To do this, I believe an accelerometer is used (probably a
pair), which should be mounted somewhere protected & securely fastened to
the frame.

So:
What the heck does the bumper, fender, brush guard etc. have to do with this?
I would presume that the sensor in question must be mounted somewhere in
the interior of the vehicle, so that off axis impacts are sensed most
closely to the intended occupants position (eg, put the sensor near what
needs to be protected so that the sensor and the protectee experince the
same forces)

If:
Your going to tell me it's some sort of switch in the bumper, fender, guard
foo, I'll just blink at you and stare dumbly and say huh?  How can a
"switch" sense speed (Delta V) ?, this would then deploy when you slowly
winched your car enough (or slowly crunched it or whatever) into a boulder
etc.  Eg the normally exerted forces on a 4Wd vehicle during off-road
actvity (a rover, not an explorer) would be sufficient to trigger a switch
(but not an accelerometer)

Therefore the brush guard, imnsho, should be independant of the whole
airbag issue.

The challange:
There must be some LR employee lurking on this list (probably a marketing
foo tracking the trends to bring ideas/comments/complaints back to the
factory): To you I address this challange:  Go back to engineering & get
some one to tell me why the brush gurad has anything to do with the Airbag?
Heck, just post to the anonn remailer the phone number of the engineer &
I'll call him (cheeky American that I am) & you won't get in trouble!

P.S., Let's not go down the argument road of "well, the Rover North America
guard is designed to transmit forces from an off center impact correctly to
the frame, the british guard isn't".  That doesn't have any thing to do
with the decision of if an airbag should be delpoyed or not, they are
orthogonal issues.  The decision of protecting the occupants from impact is
not releated to how do you correctly minimize/normalize an impact.

ttfn

Tom Des Jardins
FORE Systems (412)635-3374  FAX 772-6500 url http://www.fore.com
Please note new phone number.  I am now at the McKnight road facility.

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Metric Land Rovers
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 15:51:43 BST

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

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> 	is as arbitrary as the yard...  Better quit before this gets real
> 	long...
To add to what Dixon says.There used to be a trick joke in this
country.Which weighs most,a pound of feathers,or a pound of lead?
Only...in the Metric area it wasnt a joke,because different trades
had different weights.                              

Mike Rooth

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Date: 20 Oct 95 11:04:49 EDT
From: Mark Ritter <70472.1130@compuserve.com>
Subject: Disco Cargo Tiedowns

Tired of your off road gear always sliding around when you assault those 40
degree hills? In the floor of the disco cargo area are threaded nuts that accept
11mm bolts. Just pull up the carpet and look for the little perforated circles
at the four corners of the rear area. Pull these out with a screwdriver and then
remove the plastic plugs in the holes in the metal floor...threaded holes. The
problem is that 11mm bolts are impossible to find so I retapped to 7/16X20tpi. I
used some folding ring type cargo hold downs under the carpet after carefully
cutting away the pad to fit the hold downs. A half moon slit in the cqarpet and
rubber load space mat and I now have recessed rings that fold up when needed to
hold the Brano winch, chain saw,shovels and cooler in place over the roughest
terrain. The installation looks profesasional and clean.

								Mark Ritter
								94 Disco...
								It just keeps
								getting better.

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 11:29:07 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: 110 Graphic

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:37:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Metric Land Rovers

On Fri, 20 Oct 1995 wassili@AMC.UVA.NL wrote:

> Hip Hip Hurrah! The British throw their system overboard. At last they
> become real Europeans. ;-) The next major change will be the ECU ( European
> Coin Unit for the non-Europeans ).

	Real Europeans?  Define that one...  All would have been better
	served by Europe adopting the Imperial system rather than one
	developed by people who couldn't count, let alond subtract, multiply
	or divide.  At least it teaches the wee ones some basic math
	when they have to work out stuff.  The Brits will never be European,
	Just as no sane EU members is going to give the Bundesbank control
	over their currency.  London is still the centre of European
	financial affairs, despite the efforts of Frankfurt & Germany
	to change this.  The ECU (an ancient French currency unit BTW)
	with the Italians having a say in the value?  Good grief lad,
	you out of your mind?

> Well, my real statement is that standardization is a *GOOD* thing. Why is it
> that modern cybernauts as all LRO members are can communicate trough
> cyberspace? Because of standardization( of communication protocols I say ).
> So I think it's a step in the right direction.

	ROFL!  Standards in computers?  In very limited areas where industry
	creates standards through sales & not some bureaucracy.

	Standards are not necessarily good.  It stiffles innovation, 
	invention ... The only standards desirable are those in actually 
	putting something together in material strength, health etc.  
	The rest are a waste of time

> P.S. Be aware that the next time you order a pint, you'll get *TWO* metric
> glasses 8-D. Two beers for the price of one! Aint that great!?

	The experience that the poor Brits are going to undergo will be just
	like us.  Suddenly everything is in metric units, which will be
	slightly smaller than the imperial equivalent.  Prices will
	stay the same, or increase.  Industry will make a killing on
	excess profits.  

	Why does the UK need to go metric?  Why in fact does any country?
	Industry, in keeping competitive etc. will go to what ever standard
	of measurement is required to sell stuff.  That my pint of guinness
	comes at 50f, delivered by the waitress at 2 mph doesn't matter
	one damn bit to international competitiveness.  It is just plain
	stupid.

	What makes this a real joke is that Canada abandoned a perfectly 
	good system, but do we buy 4 litres of paint?  No...  We but stuff
	in decimal equivalants of US measurements now.  What a joke.
	Go into the supermarket and you still buy stuff by the pound.
	Only the oil companies loved the litre.  Makes it *much* easier to
	boost prices.  BTW, we still use 2x4's in construction build in
	imperial (with rather fancy decimal equibvalents on the plans),
	use 8.5x11 paper and a host of other very basic things that 
	would cost industry billions to change.  (Change the size of paper
	and think of everything else that must be changed, from the presses,
	of down...)

	Let's here it.  Why is a metre better than a yard?  Both are 
	arbitrary...  Next they will have to define the impurities in water
	to get Celcius right, along with air pressure, (sea level despite
	the fact that all the oceans are not at the same sea level), air
	pressure in Pascals!?  Like, what was wrong with mm of mercury?
	At least the later was somewhat useful and visually apparent.
	This some exercise to make sure the public doesn't have a clue to
	what is going on?  Imperial/US and the rest were naturally based.
	Metric (well, SI, yet another system) is based on fancy arbirtary
	non-natural garbage.  Maybe when they redefine the metre to be
	1:10,000,000 (or whatever) of the distance to the north pole to the
	equator (and this isnt the same as from the equator to
	south pole (dumb jerks)) I'll take more interest...  Just an ego 
	trip for the bureaucrats & feeds the hubris of our good humble
	friends the French (yeah, lets all be good Europeans and be
	associated with those wee nuclear bomb blasts in the Pacific....)

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Date: 20 Oct 95 12:49:09 EDT
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Metric Land Rovers

90 in translates to another significant figure, 2286 which makes it easier to
remember, however the real figure is 2360 mm ( 92.9" which we can still use in
the colonies until they too wake up to the 20 th century )

 Regards   Bill Leacock.  Metricated Limey in Exile.

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From: JHobbs151@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:08:11 -0400
Subject: When did they arrive?

When was the Range Rover imported into U.S. I've been looking
around and can't remember seeing any older than 1988. I might
try to locate a used one in the next few months and am not
sure when they began importin them. Please help me out?

Jay Hobbs
jhobbs151@aol.com

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From: hlapa@Zeus.signalcorp.com
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:14:11 EST
Subject: Painting new Fuel Tank

All,

Just received new fuel tank from UK for my '60 109 Safari.  
It is the "exact duplicate," not "genuine."  Have noted that 
the black paint on it seems less than tenacious, with no 
evidence of primer underneath.  I plan to do the following 
before installing, and comments are solicited:
Cover openings and have tank blasted with plastic bead 
media; Use zinc-rich primer (cold galvanizing compound) such 
as Rustoleum Zinc-Sele, followed by Dupont acrylic primer, 
followed by auto body surfacing primer, then topcoat with 
Red Devil black poly.  Since it took 35 years for original 
to start leaking, am hoping this is a once-and-forever 
replacement.

Hank

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:18:59 +0200
From: bmj@alfa.avh.unit.no (Bjorn Munro Jenssen)
Subject: Hi-back weenies

Fellow LandRoverOwners
In the end of February I'll be traveling to Estonia (in the Baltic) to
study the Baltic grey seals. Off course I'll bring my Land Rover 110 which
has plenty of space for a Zodiak, an outboard motor, lots of field and
laboratory equipment, as well as 2-3 biology students. However, it's a long
ride from our University in Trondheim (Norway) via Sweden and down to
Estonia, so I feel a little bit sorry for my students who have to spend
hours in the backseats (i.e., 2nd. seat row) of my 110. Thus, I'm looking
for some more comfortable rear seats to replace the standard bench seat. In
"LRO International" (the magazine) I've seen a set of seats with
headrestraints ("hi-back weenies") manufactured by a UK firm called
"Trakkers". These are priced at 75 pounds each (incl. VAT), and they appear
to be goodlooking (at least on the picture). Is there anybody out there who
have any experience with these seats. Are they as comfortable as the ad.
claims? Are there any alternatives?

Also, I'll be glad to receive any information about places worthwhile
visiting with a Land Rover in the Baltic countries or in the St. Petersburg
area.

Bjorn Munro Jenssen, Dr.philos.                  Phone: +47 7359 6267
Department of Zoology,                            Fax: +47 7359 1309
The University of Trondheim,
N-7055 Dragvoll,                                email: bmj@alfa.avh.unit.no
Norway

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:35:31 -0700
From: Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand)
Subject: Re: Q: Airbags and Rhino Bars

> From LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com  Fri Oct 20 06:47:58 1995
> Here's the quandary:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 18 lines)]
> England (land of salt spray and salted roads).  Does anybody
> have a clue on airbag interaction with rhino bars?
> 	-Bill Yerazunis

The story I got from the dealer is that the after-market brush
bars are not DOT certified ( this means crash tested ) so anyone
installing them exposes themselves to liability if there is an
accident. The senario I'm thinking of is some drunk blowing
through a light and smashing into the front of the Discovery.
They sue you and the company that installed the Non-compliant
bumper/brush bar.

Perhaps I'm being a bit too paraniod, its your decision.

-Doug

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:49:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: Re: RR EFI light

Mike:

>      do you happen to know how the RR ECU behaves after it has detected a 
>      problem which causes it to turn on the EFI light?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>      light on) does it act on it or does it revert to some limp mode of 
>      operation until reset?

My reading of the workshop manual tells me that there is a limp-home mode.
The book doesn't say what that home is.

I would check that the battery voltage is what it should be, then I'd check
all the resistances and voltages I could, using my schematic, sheet 8. It
sounds like a bad (intermittent) contact somewhere, but where?

On second thought, I would clean every connection shown on Sheet 8.

One further thought: on an SD1, one wire to the throttle pot breaks off the
substrate of the pot.  Connect an ohmmeter across the pot (lead A to B, then
lead A to C) and wiggle the wires.  If the resistance changes, it is a
broken connection - and time for a new pot.

You might try this from the ECU end, with a friend (or wife!). I have seen a
break in a wire in the harness.

Keep me posted! I keep case histories, so I can help myself and others.

>      To be honest I haven't been able to detect any difference in 
>      performance since the light came on this week, although my driving of 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>      the car has been minimal. My wife hasn't complained and she usually 
>      does if it doesn't work right.
When my EFI light came on a few weeks ago, the idle RPM dropped from 800 to
600, but otherwise performance was normal.

>      P.S. Did you ever figure out how to defeat the radio security code?

I did not figure out how to defeat the radio security code.  I spoke to a
friend who was a manager at Sanyo, who spoke to a friend who is an expert in
servicing car radios.  This guy declined to touch a Clarion!  If it can't be
serviced, I don't want it - unless it's free!

I have an old SD1 radio in the RR (the tape deck doesn't work), and it will
have to stay that way until I find some $s.

...chris
>      P.S. Did you ever figure out how to defeat the radio security code?
>      performance since the light came on this week, although my driving of 
>      the car has been minimal. My wife hasn't complained and she usually 

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:42:52 PDT
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: 110 Graphic

>     \_   /  _----_  \_________I___________II/  _----_  \   /W]    OVER
>       ~~~ /~ /~~\ ~\ \________|____________/ /~ /~~\ ~\ ~~~ []   LANDR
>           | | () | |                         | | () | |        ROVERLA
>           \_ \__/ _/    LANDR        O       \_ \__/ _/  VERLANDROVERL
>  ANDROVERL..~----~     LANDROVERLANDRDRO       ~----~ VERLANDROVERLAND

Need some more air in those tyres, methinks ..... :-)

Is that art copyright or can I steal some components for my Disco?

Andrew Smith
Palo Alto CA USA
'60 Healey 3000 Mk.I
'96 Discovery

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 17:00:23 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Waxoyl

          Hello.
          Found a source for Waxoyl in the US, Triple C
          Motor Accesories, in Milpitas California. Their
          number is (408)492-5485. They supply it in a
          400ml. aerosol, $10.00, or a 2.5liter kit, $45,
          which includes a pump, sprayer and extension probe
          to make the job "easy as spraying your roses".
          They also have a nice selection of LR toys, ink
          stampers, pins, doo-dads, and thing-a-ma-bobs. Not
          to mention some tools and electrical parts (MG
          stuff and the like but I'm sure some of it fits.)
          Cheers
          Dave "Having Waxoyl Fantasies"
          72 Series III swb.  "Green Car"

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 17:04:07 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: 110 Graphic

>     \_   /  _----_  \_________I___________II/  _----_  \   /W]    OVER
>       ~~~ /~ /~~\ ~\ \________|____________/ /~ /~~\ ~\ ~~~ []   LANDR
>           | | () | |                         | | () | |        ROVERLA
>           \_ \__/ _/    LANDR        O       \_ \__/ _/  VERLANDROVERL
>  ANDROVERL..~----~     LANDROVERLANDRDRO       ~----~ VERLANDROVERLAND

Need some more air in those tyres, methinks ..... :-)
Hey, maybe he's got em deflated for sand use, OK?!

Is that art copyright or can I steal some components for my Disco?

It'll cost you a quarter! Better send me a copy for approval
          before you post it. :-)

Happy Disco Drawring!
          Dave
          72 SIII SWB- "Green Car" was "Miss Lucky"

------------------------------

From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:09:24 -0400
Subject: Eagle GPS Phone #

On Friday, 10/20/95,  DKenner wrote;
> AccuNav Sport GPS.  If you call 1-800-324-4763, ext. 101, 
> The number has been changed to 1-800-661-3983

I had gotten this number out of the November issue of the American Rifleman.
  I called to check, and the number I posted worked fine(from the East coast
US) and the 1-800-661-3983 gave me a recording stating "your # cannot be
completed as dialed."  
Cheers!  John Cassidy

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 17:58:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us>
Subject: Re: When did they arrive?

On Fri, 20 Oct 1995 JHobbs151@aol.com wrote:

> When was the Range Rover imported into U.S. I've been looking
> around and can't remember seeing any older than 1988. I might
> try to locate a used one in the next few months and am not
> sure when they began importin them. Please help me out?

I believe that LR reentered the US market in 1987.  There are quite a few 
older grey market vehicles around as well.  Caveat emptor.

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
               Walter C. Swain          |  wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us 
               Davis Community Network  |  1988 Range Rover
               Davis, California        |  1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 22:08:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Q: Airbags and Rhino Bars

The airbag sensor(s) are usually but not always mounted at the front of the
vehicle to be there first during a crash. Look for a small plastic box
slightly larger than a 35mm film box with wires connected. It is acceleration
sensetive. A challenge for airbags in off-road vehicles is decting the
difference between a crash and a hard landing. A rhino bar could conciveably
change the inital crash pulse and affect airbag deployment in borderline
crashes. My guess of "airbag compatible" means that LR has done a test or
analysis to  understand any effect, and the Disco still meets Federal
requirements with the Rhino Bar.

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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:19:06 +1000
From: o.evans@latrobe.edu.au (Owen Evans)
Subject: Re: Oz?

>Just a quick question for the group.
>Does anyone know how "Oz" became the nickname for
>Australia? I see it used here and in "Variety" (the movie trade paper)all the
>time.

If you pronounced the name of the country the way we do, rather than
"Awstralia" the aural abbreviation would be obvious.

Owen Evans
SIIA '71

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 22:35:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John C. White III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Oz?

Actually, Owen, we pronounce "Oz" and the "Aus" of "Australia" the same 
way in almost all dialects of the American variant of English.  To us 
(me) the Australian pronunciation of an Australian's home country sounds 
like "Striya" with a long "i" as in "like."  Just an 'merkin's (Yes, I 
know what that means) opinion.

Later, dude!
John
San Francisco, California

On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Owen Evans wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> >Just a quick question for the group.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> Owen Evans
> SIIA '71

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Date: 21 Oct 95 02:09:55 EDT
From: James Mobley <70302.2516@compuserve.com>
Subject: Cell phone in Discovery

nadyne@bccom.com asks:

>I have a Motorola flip-phone and the cigarette lighter does not accomodate the
phone's adapter.

Run down to Walmart and pick up their Y adaptor for cigarette lighters. It fits
the Discovery's lighter socket well and you can use two things at once. Or just
cut off the female end you don't use. (Tape the wires up if you do, a short
could cause some real fireworks.)

When is someone going to come up with a 12 power connector that is less clunkly
than the lighter sockets?

Jim,
San Bernardino, CA

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Date: 21 Oct 95 02:09:39 EDT
From: James Mobley <70302.2516@compuserve.com>
Subject: Discovery wheels/tires

>weller make steel wheels to fit landies in various sizes and finishes. and you
can fit 15" wheels to a disco a chap locally has done it.

Does anyone have a phone # or FAX # for Weller?

>as for the huge tyres you mentioned i am not sure, i know that you can't fit
750-r16 on a disco

My US spec Discovery has 235/70-16s so presumably they won't rub off-raod. At
least I haven't been able to get them to rub yet--still trying <g>. I'd like to
go to a 245/75-16 BFG Mud Terrain T/A, but may have to settle for the 225/75-16
which will certainly fit.

>as for the huge tyres you mentioned

By US standards a 31x10.5-15 is a pretty small tire for serious off road use.
33"s or even 35"s are preffered and a lot of fender cutting is done to
accomodate them.

Why do the Brits tend to use such--by US standards--skinny tires?

>Have you tried British Pacific (for steel wheels)

I called them and the steel wheel that the spare is mounted on can be special
ordered for the trifling sum of $195 US, ea.!

>The 7x16 wheels are common in oz for about $50-$60 AUS.

I called UPS and to ship 100lbs to the US from Austrailia would cost $400 US.
Even at that price I'd still save over $200 from the price here! Needless to
say, this is still too much and I'm looking into other options.

If anyone knows of a reasonable source for Discovery steel wheels in the US I'd
like to know.

Thanks.

Jim
San Bernardino, CA
70302.2516@compuserve.com

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Date: 21 Oct 95 02:09:59 EDT
From: James Mobley <70302.2516@compuserve.com>
Subject: Discovery price negotiation

> > Discovery.  I would love to hear from people who have been able 

> > to negotiate for a Discovery in California.

> Nope - no negotiation here in the SF Bay area too.

Well the dealers in So. Cal. will negotiate, at least mine would in May. Saved
me almost $2k.

Jim
San Bernardino, CA
70302.2516@c0mpuserve.com

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