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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 06:31:05 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>
Subject: Status (Re: LRO Lists Futures)

Hi Folks,

        Well, first of all I'd like to publicly thank a number of people who
have inquired or even volunteered available resources. 

        At this point, I can say that talks are progressing with a fellow
Land-Rover owner who has access to the type of facilities which would allow
easily re-locating the list.

        We've got a few items to check out, but if everything goes OK, which
involves the re-homing of mail for <list>@Land-Rover.Team.Net, then
it should be a relatively painless and transparent re-location. [I say this
with the presumption that you've all got the proper and correct mail
alias of
        Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net
or similar...

        As for those who prefer 'news browsing' to mail, there is a very
simple answer to that, have you sysadmin set up a LOCAL newsgroup and 
have the LRO mail directed there.  DO NOT RE-DISTRIBUTE the LOCAL newsgroup,
and be forwarned that if you set up a link back into the list and screw it
up, causing a mail loop, you WILL BE CUT OFF.

With regard to questions raised subsequent to my original mail:

jory@org.org (jory bell) writes:

> current trouble)?

        This issue now is not load (unlike previously), but rather access to
        facilities, as I change employers.

> Can anyone provide a traffic estimate for the main LRO list ... Maybe in
> terms of subscribers and messages oer day, etc.

    The current distribution of the Land-Rover-Owner list, there are
        134 real-time subscribers (every message received is forwarded)
        570 digest subscribers (messages collected are forwarded once per day)

    Thus with just about 1000 messages processed in September,
        136,000 messages for forwarded in real time (4,500/day)
         17,000 digests were sent out
          3,000 majordomo responses to requests sent out
          4,000 incoming peices of mail
        -------
 total: 160,000 pieces of mail

    Additionally there are another six lists with real-time distributions,
but the traffic is negligible, the largest of which is the uk-lro list.
[au-lro eu-lro uk-lro za-lro uk-arc uk-arc-nr]

    The uk-lro list has ~90 subscribers, and probably about 50 messages
forwarded per month.

Some have inquired as to the nature of the hardware and software used for
the list:
 
        At present the system is running on a Sun, under SunOS (Unix),
        the list-server package is based on Majordomo, which is publicly
        available, and utilizes the PERL language for its scripts,
        only one utility is a compiled 'c' program.

        PERL is publicly available and runs on unix and other platforms.

        In addition, there are various bits of system administration 
        involving the processing of mail (Unix Sendmail on Berkeley Unix
        based systems),  and a couple cron jobs to do the digest daily,
        and process requests.

Regarding Newsgroups:

As you can tell, the vocal folks are mostly speaking against news groups,
and in general what they say is true and good enough reason to avoid becoming
a news group.  

However, for those few anoraks who simply must graze, then don't dispair,
but you'll need to do some work on your end with your system adminsitrator.
A number of readers currently receive their LRO or/and LRO-Digest as news,
through their local news system (some against their will !)

   The actual work required is left as an exercise for the casual observer,
but roughly it goes something like this:
 
        (1) Have your sysadmin set up a LOCAL LRO newsgroup 
        (2) DO NOT redistribute the news group (that's my rule*)
        (3) DO NOT auto-forward posts back to the list**
                (commonly done incorrectly, causing mail-news loops,
                 which pisses off lots of people, some of whom are not
                 merciful with words)
        (4) Ask that your local feed be put into the mail-to-news group
        (5) read news

        * of course, all I can really do is cut off your mail feed...
        ** and if lucky stop the list from redistributing some of the garbage.

 ---------------------------------------------------------------------

So, at the moment, DON'T PANIC, and don't worry about becoming a newsgroup
(and be forewarned that publicly wishing to become a news group only LOWERS
the Signal-to-NOISE ratio !)

I'll keep you posted on further developments.

cheers,
 -B

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:40:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Perry <rxq281@freenet.mb.ca>
Subject: stainless inter alia

So there I was, bouncing along a sandy track on cattle range, by bluffs
overlooking the Assiniboine River valley near Wigle Springs west of the
Spruce Woods (Ernest Thompson Seton country, if that means anything to
anyone), searching for old fur trade fort sites and pioneer homesteads,
when my exhaust mid-pipe broke. I had it patched up by Minute Muffler in Brandon, and when the shop guy 
looked at the rust on my current muffler and tail pipes, which he was 
surprised to hear were about a year and a half old (until I said I was from Winnipeg, where I 
am more and more coming to believe the city works and ops guys take 
payoffs from new car dealers to put obscene amounts of salt on the roads 
in winter)I said I expected I would replace the whole setup with 
stainless steel at some time. He said that salt also attacks stainless 
steel, not rusting it, but causing splits or cracks. He opined that some 
sort of 'aluminized' coating on steel would be a better bet.
So, does road salt somehow corrode or embrittle stainless. What's the story?

I had a homebrew bambi bar of iron water pipe on the front of my IIA. 
Took it and U/S capstain winch off today: 100 per cent improvement in looks

Winching up a tree. Yeah, I had the pic out on video took a close look at 
the dangling LR: looks like a mockup to me. Also took closer look at 
Sandra Prinsloo in her skivvies in a thorn bush (Same scene, honest). Not a 
mockup. The sequel, by the way, has *no* LRs, just Jeeps! There's also 
kind of a sad story about Jamie Uys, the director and !Xi, but I won't go 
into it here.

I posted, or thought I posted, part numbers for the heat shield to the 
list last week. Did anyone see it?

One more thing: Lloyd Allison might be getting a little more traffic at 
his website, as may the links from it. The Thomson News service here in 
Canada distributed a wire service story about automotive sites on the 
internet. It mentioned some of the manufacturers, then talked about unofficial sites. 
For something a little more 'exotic' said the story, visit the Land Rover 
site, about which it raved, and gave the address.

Cheers

Mark Perry   Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada 
1966 Ser.IIA 88 
Petrol Hardtop "Yes, I can see quite well over the spare tire."

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From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>
Subject: Various
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 11:51:29 BST

Dear all, I am replying to a couple of the posts. I agree with the australian chap who suggests checking the earth on the spots / fog lights, i had the same 
probelm on my discovery, just rocked it back an inch and it came on. moved it
back into position and tighted, never had another prob.

as for the chap asking about wheels and tyres, weller make steel wheels to fit
landies in various sizes and finishes. and you can fir 15" wheels to a disco
a chap locally has done it.

as for the huge tyres you mentioned i am not sure, i know that you can't fit
750-r16 on a disco or range rover without major arch surgery. but you can fit
the 235-16 mentioned no worries, land rover fits them over here (uk) as 
standard with the freestyle option.

does anyone know if rancho or the old man emu system shocks / springs are 
available for the series land rovers?

p.s about the coil sprung series converstion, there is a chap in my club who
did this himself and he loves it, i still prefer bouncing down the raod after
every bump <G>. seriously though i don't know about longevity but it works well
off road.

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 21:02:18 +1000
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: mailing list

It seems that the commercial rate for a mailing list is about $200 (oz :-)
per annum per 100 subscribers or part thereof,  e.g. see
   http://www.connect.com.au/mailing-list.html
(so a big thank you to Bill C!)

Charging real money would keep the noise down!

There *may* be another way to do it through the web -
I will look into it, but do not hold breath.

Lloyd

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Block Heaters
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:16:00 DST

The aluminium plug in the threaded hole at the rear of the block can be 
easily removed. Provided you don't intend to put it back! Of course the only 
reason to remove it is to fit a block heater and so you won't be.
Just drill a series of holes around the edge of the plug to weaken it, pull 
out the centre, then split the remaining ring with a chisel and peel it out. 
Clean the threads with a wire brush then screw in the block heater with a 
good teflon sealant on the threads.
The fitting of the heater at the rear of the block tends to circulate the 
warmed water around the block. A core plug unit at the front sends some of 
that valualble energy straight to the radiator.

Trevor

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From: Stephen Thomas <THOMSE-U@m4-arts.bham.ac.uk>
Date:         19 Oct 95 13:24:09 GMT
Subject:      Future of the list.

Hey, er sorry to like spoil the machinations and imaginations of
those who want to make this a newsgroup but...

              some of us can *only* get email

What do we do? Join the Offroad mailing list? I hope not!

We should leave the format as it is, but if Bill needs a hand lets
give him one.

Steve

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Stephen Thomas                          Phone:0121-452 1405
                1964 Ser IIa Diesel 'Andy'
'Land Rovers let out all that gear oil to compensate for all the
rain water they let in'
----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:53:34 -0400
From: nadyne@bccom.com
Subject: RE: Newbie L-R alert ....

I'm a new owner of a Beluga Black '95 Disco.  I sold a 
Mercedes 560 SEC and a 1991 Bronco and figured the only 
vehicle I could consider to replace the "prestige" 
(unfortunately, as I'm in the financial services business, 
prestige is often measured and noted by potential clients 
or their CPA's and the car you drive is often an 
indicator!) of the Benz and the usefulness of the Bronco 
was a Rover.

I've had it for 1 month and love it to pieces (so do my 
dogs who hang out in the back and especially love the rear 
sun roof) but I have one problem.  I have a Motorola 
flip-phone and the cigarette lighter does not accomodate 
the phone's adapter.  I received a set of three adapters 
from Motorola that they claimed would solve the problem 
but none of them fit.

Does anyone know of an alternative?

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From: sreddock@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 13:58:55 BST
Subject: The future!

 From: Steve Reddock
 Subject: The future of the list
 Just to add my bit, I like things as they are.  I can get the digest
 mailed to me, print it out and take it home or read it at a quiet
 moment during the day.  If I had to sit there with netscape or
 something similar fired up and click on the items to read I would
 rarely bother.

 I don't think we have out grown this distribution method either.
 I am also an Ogri subscriber which is a very similar channel for
 UK based motorcycling discussion.  It's digest arrives twice a day
 and each one is 50% larger than LRO and it is not too large.  But it
 is getting close.  I suspect a few people will get fed up with the
 size and un-subscribe and it will hence self regulate.

 Have fun, Steve Reddock. Lightwieght V6

 P.S Just to make you all jealous, I am off roading on Saturday and
 Sunday this weekend.  No big deal?  On Sunday the guys from The Land
 Rover Experience are letting me play in their nice new shiney cars for
 free!!

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 09:28:42 EDT
From: tdj@fore.com (Tom Des Jardins)
Subject: RE: Newbie L-R alert ....

<snip> I have one problem.  I have a Motorola
>flip-phone and the cigarette lighter does not accomodate
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>but none of them fit.
>Does anyone know of an alternative?

Yes there is a lighter adapter that fits fine, with a holding bracket that
has sticky tape.  We stuck our tape & bracket to the change tray (I think
some people call it an ash tray ;-)  ) Because it sits up high but doesn't
get in the way.  I can get the vendor name if you like, but it was not a
motorola adaptor, it was some knock off.

I notice in the international catalogue that there is a listing for a
motorola phone.  I would be intrested in a phone that was integrated into
the radio correctly.  Does anyone know of any such system?

Tom Des Jardins
FORE Systems (412)635-3374  FAX 772-6500 url http://www.fore.com
Please note new phone number.  I am now at the McKnight road facility.

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:53:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Crankin' shackles

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Alexander P. Grice wrote:

> - you need one with 1" NPT threads and about 400 watts for the four banger. 
> The *only* way to fit it is to remove the exhaust manifold to get to the 
> fitting on the rear of the 2.25.  

	They will go in with the manifold there...  Painful, but it can 
	be done...  Done it, wrecked the t-shirt...

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:57:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: GPS's

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995 JCassidyiv@aol.com wrote:

> I recently responded to an advert. by Eagle Electronics, maker of the Eagle
> AccuNav Sport GPS.  If you call 1-800-324-4763, ext. 101, 

	The number has been changed to 1-800-661-3983

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Date: 19 Oct 95 10:03:40 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Coil Sprung Chassis

> conversions. Specifically, has anyone seen, used, touched, heard of, or
> witnessed the Arrow Services coil sprung chassis? Similarly, has anyone ever

Seen 'em, touched 'em, even banged my head on one... very sturdy! (the
chassis). Articulation is mind-boggling.

A well rebuilt 109 sitting on a fully galvanized coil sprung chassis with
RR axles... what more can you want in life?

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:31:03 +0000
Subject:       Re: Coil Sprung Chassis

On 19 Oct 95, Stefan R. Jacob wrote:

> A well rebuilt 109 sitting on a fully galvanized coil sprung chassis with
> RR axles... what more can you want in life?
the 3 grand to buy it with ;-)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

    Hero Figure: BOFH..

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:44:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@synapse.net>
Subject: Re: Block Heater for 2.25

Does anybody have any opinions about the type of heater that fits underneath
the oil pan? 

And for shutdown in extreme cold, is oil dilution an option?  It's commonly
used in piston aircraft in the arctic but then again they're designed for it. 

			Rick Grant

rgrant@synapse.net			1959, 88" SII
Ottawa, Canada

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 11:18:07 EST
From: "Wharton, Skip" <wharton@mail.scra.org>
Subject: 89 Range Rover for sale

        
        I checked on an '89 Range Rover that had a For Sale sign sitting on the 
        side of the road here in Charleston.
        
        Looks great - white - fully loaded, which I guess is the County model - 
        all power, incl power sun roof, brand new Michelin tires, new brakes... 
        It's marked at $14,995, but the guy I talked to was selling it for a 
        friend & said right up front that he thought there was room for movement 
        by the owner who is pretty anxious to sell.
        
        I can't swing it right now, but I thought I'd see if anyone on the net 
        would be interested.  I didn't crawl underneath - just did a cursory 
        inspection - has a couple of minor dings in paint, but overall looks 
        very good.  Also did not drive it, but the guy said he has all the 
        maintenance records from the local RR dealer and there are no problems.
        
        It has 118k miles on the odometer - which takes the loan value down by 
        about $2,000 - but the loan value is still over $16,000.  The trouble of 
        course is the term of the loan... but the guy I talked with said he was 
        sure he could get 36 mos from a local bank since it was a RR...
        
        This is all I know - if anyone has an interest or wants to ask some 
        specific questions of the owner email me at wharton@scra.org, and I'll 
        get in contact w/ the seller.
        
        Warm Regards,
        
        Skip Wharton
        From the Holy City of Charleston, SC, USA
        '72 Ser IIA 88"

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:31:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: RR Lean

On Thu, 19 Oct 1995 JCassidyiv@aol.com wrote:

> me prices of about $145.00 for one rear spring and about $120.00 for the
> other.  He said they've had good luck with the Old Man Emu springs at @ $70
> each, but he says they raise the vehicle about 30mm.

I got mine from Atlantic British for agout $80-90 each

Re the Old Man Emu ones -- I believe they are stiffer as well as taller???
Does anyone know?

Cheers

JOhn

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Subject: RE: Newbie L-R alert ....
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 13:33:06 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

> I'm a new owner of a Beluga Black '95 Disco.  I sold a  Mercedes 560 SEC

and a
> 1991 Bronco and figured the only  vehicle I could consider to replace the
> "prestige"  (unfortunately, as I'm in the financial services business, 
> I've had it for 1 month and love it to pieces (so do my  dogs who hang out

in
> the back and especially love the rear  sun roof) but I have one problem. 
I
> have a Motorola  flip-phone and the cigarette lighter does not accomodate 
the
> phone's adapter.  I received a set of three adapters  from Motorola that
they
> claimed would solve the problem  but none of them fit.
> Does anyone know of an alternative?
> I've had it for 1 month and love it to pieces (so do my  dogs who hang out

I have a 95 Discovery and I also have a Motorola Meteor pocket phone mounted
in it. I am using the Motrola SLN 9739A power adapter with no problem.

--
Gary Mitchelson                    
garym@racalrecord.com           
           

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:52:28 -0700
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: RR Lean/Hella Lights

Assuming your Hella installation is similar to the stock fog lights, there's 
a short length of cable (maybe 8 inches) running from the light, ending in a 
plug that plugs into a water-resistant socket.  That plug/socket connection 
is not otherwise protected from the weather, and probably takes a good 
beating, so check there.  If you have a meter, see if you're getting 12 
volts to the socket when the other light is on.

-Matt

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:19:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: GPS

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Daniel Polak wrote:

> In my experience GPS is not very useful for driving or walking when you 
> have to keep to the road (however we all have the choice of going off 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> line directions from the GPS if the road goes in a different direction than 
> where the GPS points you.

In my experience of GPS off road (but still on "roads"), the main use is 
not as a guide to where you're going using the fancy graphic display 
pointers etc (as Daniel says -- not much use when you're restricted to 
even the sort of roads we travel in the outback), but just to establish 
your position with certainty and exactitude when stationary. This is 
particularly the case when you are in amongst a maze of roads marked on 
the map and you are not sure which one you are on!

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Newbie L-R alert ....
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:38:07 -0700

I'm a new owner of a Beluga Black '95 Disco.  I sold a Mercedes 560 SEC and a 
1991 Bronco and figured the only vehicle I could consider to replace the 
"prestige"
I have a black '95 Disco, too, though I just traded a Jeep for it.

I have a Motorola flip-phone and the cigarette lighter does not accomodate the 
phone's adapter.  I received a set of three adapters from Motorola that they 
claimed would solve the problem but none of them fit.

Does anyone know of an alternative?
I have a flip-phone in my Disco as well, and to use the adapter, I had to dig 
out a little sleeve that fits around the adapter's lighter plug so as to make 
it the correct diameter and prevent it from popping out of the lighter socket. 
A Cell-phone accessory store should have such an item.

Happy Trails in your "prestigeous" new Disco!

    _____
   /___|_\___     Bob Watson <a-robw@microsoft.com>
  |   |   |  \                  6405 235th Place SW
  |---|___|___\____     Mountlake Terrace, WA 98043
  |  _|   |   | _  }\
 {|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:48:42 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Metric Land Rovers

Ladies and Gentlemen, 
you may not be aware of it, but the home country of Land Rovers has gone 
metric as of Oct. 1, 1995.  Therefore, it is illegal to use non-metric 
measurements by now, and criminals who still do this are subject to fines.  
To facilitate the change-over to the new nomenclature, I have decided to 
provide the following conversion table:

formerly    now
80"         203 cm
86"         218 cm
88"         224 cm
90"         229 cm
100"        254 cm
101"        257 cm
107"        272 cm
109"        277 cm
110"        279 cm
130"        330 cm

Since I will be on vacation for two weeks, I can not supply any further 
conversions in case I have forgotten anything.  Please comply with 
regulations so we can proudly say that our group is completely Information 
Highway Legal!

Regards
Peter Hirsch
272 SI Station Wagon

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 13:11:53 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Earth calling Vance ...

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Earth calling Vance ...
I've been trying to get a hold of Vance for several months now, he has not
replied to my e-mail. If someone knows a phone number or anything, I'd like
to know. I need bushings for all of my "fleet"!

Thanks,

Dave Brown
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:30:16 -0700
Posted-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:30:16 -0700
From: mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us
Subject: Earth calling Vance ...
Errors-To: owner-mendo_recce@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us
Precedence: bulk

>From: BwanaE@aol.com
Origional Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 20:56:19 -0400

Morgan ( or anybody else ),

If you speak with Vance anytime soon, would you tell him that I'd like a
complete set of his suspension bushings for Tipper ... I noticed on the last
two outings that her undercarriage creaks and groans like someone with
advanced arthritis.

If he has a set on hand, just mail 'em off to 1232 Appaloosa, Angels Camp.
Ca. 95222.

Thanks,   Eric.

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 16:32:03 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Holey S*@t

          Well, yesterday I was tinkereing around with
          "Green Car" (that's her new name) and decided to
          do a little more exploratory surgery on the frame.
          The diagnosis was positive for a serious case of
          frame cancer! :-(
          I don't yet have the money for a frame over, so my
          choices are:
          1. Take the body off, and replace whatever
          outriggers that need it, and probably get a
          half-frame from Atlantic British. Hope that the
          front is ok enough to last at least ten years.
          2. Drive it until it breaks or i get enough cash
          for a galvy frame, prob'ly AB's frame over w/new
          springs shocks, relay, etc. This could be at least
          six months to a year,  along time to wait before
          taking her off road again, and this winter will
          prob'ly render the car undrivable even on the
          street. Space is also an issue for the frame over,
          as I'm a city boy with no place to do that sort of
          thing.

          The catch with number one is that if i take it
          apart and discover that a new frame is the only
          way to go, then I'll end up doing this twice
          because I don't have the cash for the new frame.

          This is by far the saddest thing that has come to
          pass in the short time that I've owned this thing,
          but there is a light at the end of the tunnel, so
          it's not all bad.
           BTW, it looked like a solid frame that even
          withstood heavy hammer blows to the sides and
          bottom of the rails. The rust is on top bebneath
          the rear body, where previous undercoating and
          repair people couldn't quite reach. I looked at
          this area and tried to check it as best as
          possible, but it actually took some really serious
          probing to find these spots. Basically the metal
          feels solid but when you actually exert some force
          on it is quite brittle and just breaks into large
          chips. I'll never pay this much for another Rover
          that has this much rust on it.
          I do still love it though, in a sort of
          masochistic way.

          David R. Bobeck
          72 Series III Swb. "Green Car"
          Wahington DC
          dbobeck@ushmm.org

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:53:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Metric Land Rovers

On Thu, 19 Oct 1995 lopezba@atnet.at wrote:

> Ladies and Gentlemen, 
> you may not be aware of it, but the home country of Land Rovers has gone 
> metric as of Oct. 1, 1995.  Therefore, it is illegal to use non-metric 
> measurements by now, and criminals who still do this are subject to fines.  

Please remember that according to the immutable logic of the metric system
there should be 100 hours in a day, 100 days in a year, and 10 days in a
month (or is it week?). In other words, the metric system is antithetical
to the natural order of things. It is to be hoped that the last bastion of
the infinitely more sensible Imperial System of Weights and Measures
(albeit in a slightly modified form), ironically the United States, will
hold out until, in the fullness of time, the mistake of the rest of the
world will be recognized and the old system will come forth to the rescue
of the new. 

Until then, I imagine the prices of all Land Rover models will be
standardized at $100,000 except the Range Rover which will be $1,000,000.
New metric models with 100 cm wheelbases could accommodate the more 
affordable $10,000 price range.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89 RR

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From: "geoffrey.m.halaburt"
Date: 19 Oct 95 16:38:22 
Subject: Re: Newbie L-R alert ....

>> Perhaps a Bay Area get together (like the PA outing in earily
Sept) would be inorder so us newbies can meet the veterans.

Sounds most interesting.  It would be nice to attract some series owners as 
well.  I've got a '94 D90 and live in San Anselmo (Marin Co.).

>>How does 1st or second week in November sound ?

The first (or third) weekend in November would work for me (out of town the 
weekend of 11/11-12).

-Geoff

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:03:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: Metric Land Rovers

On Thu, 19 Oct 1995 lopezba@atnet.at wrote:

> you may not be aware of it, but the home country of Land Rovers has gone 
> metric as of Oct. 1, 1995.  Therefore, it is illegal to use non-metric 
> measurements by now, and criminals who still do this are subject to fines.  
> To facilitate the change-over to the new nomenclature, I have decided to 
> provide the following conversion table:

	We went that way back in the 70's.  Half the stuff is still 
	imperial, & methinks the gov't will fall over there before the 
	Brits hoist a litre rather than a pint...

> formerly    now
> 80"         203 cm
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> 109"        277 cm
> 110"        279 cm
> 130"        330 cm

	Forgot the 81" & 127" offhand...  Metric... Bah humbug...
	Long live Whitworth!

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:41:11 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Metric Land Rovers

Peter Hirsch <lopezba@atnet.at> writes:

>Ladies and Gentlemen, 
 you may not be aware of it, but the home country of Land Rovers has gone
 metric as of Oct. 1, 1995.  Therefore, it is illegal to use non-metric
 measurements by now, and criminals who still do this are subject to fines.
 To facilitate the change-over to the new nomenclature, I have decided to
 provide the following conversion table:

 formerly    now                formerly    now
 80"         203 cm             101"        257 cm
 86"         218 cm             107"        272 cm
 88"         224 cm             109"        277 cm
 90"         229 cm             110"        279 cm
 100"        254 cm             130"        330 cm
----

 Geeez, Peter.  I didn't know...  I'll just have to change my sig *again*!
 Word has it, the US will change in '96.   Construction drawings by the
 State of California are already metric, and contractors seem to prefer it.

 Now where is my cup...  err, quarter-liter of coffee??

                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_____...o^^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88)
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 07:23:49 +0900
From: gnome@st.rim.or.jp (Shunichi Nishi)
Subject: Renewal my Rover page

Hi all !!
 I come back after a long time.

My private Rover Page : "Happy LANDY" renew today.

URL  :  http://www.st.rim.or.jp/~gnome/rover.html

Latest up to date 19/10/'95

Regards,
<<<<<<<<<^[$B!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&^[(B<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
<<<<<<<<< Shunichi Nishi  (gnome@st.rim.or.jp) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
<<< ^[$B!&!&!&!&!&!&!&^[(B Fax  : 81-266-75-3239  ^[$B!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&^[(B<<<
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<<<<<<<<^[$B!&!&!&!&!&!&!&^[(B Happy  LANDY  !!! ^[$B!&!&!&!&!&!&!&!&^[(B  <<<<<<<<

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:56:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Newbie L-R alert ....

On 19 Oct 1995 geoffrey.m.halaburt@uk.stratus.com wrote:

> >> Perhaps a Bay Area get together (like the PA outing in earily
> Sept) would be inorder so us newbies can meet the veterans.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> weekend of 11/11-12).
> -Geoff

Either of those would be ok for me

John Brabyn
89RR
Mill Valley

------------------------------

From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: 7500 Service charge
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 17:07:42 PDT

Hi,

Well I finally went into the dealer to ask about the cost of my 7500 service.
I paid $248.00 for the 7500 Service. I noticed that a chart on the wall (in
the service dept) said $49.00 for the 7500 service. I asked why the 
big difference? (Stevens Creek Land-Rover in Cupertino, California)

They stated that for Discoveries and Range Rovers, they get a $200 kickback
from Land-Rover company for the 7500 service, making the cost to the 
customer $49.00 For Defender-90's they get no kickback, thus explaining
whay I had to pay $248.00 for my Defender-90 7500 mile service.

Now my question is why don't I get to save $200 just because I bought a
Def-90 instead of a Disco, I shurely paid enough for the truck, I don't
think I should be treated differently. 

Let me know if you have any info on this. 

Leland Roys
Cupertino, Ca
roys@cup.hp.com
1994 Def-90 (Red)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:48:30 -0400
From: ac443@osfn.rhilinet.gov (John Karlsson)
Subject: Progress Report

I think my last progress report may have indicated that I had
achieved the initial goal of getting frame welded, painted, and
loosely attached to axles (also painted!!) So I can roll it
instead of carrying it.  Boating season intervened.
 
Now that boating season has been left behind, I have had a
chance to attack the bulkhead.  New door posts and foot wells
have been welded in place.  I had a little trouble getting
together with the local sandblaster, but finally worked that
out, and got the bulkhead blasted _and primed_.  Saturday,
10/14 I was prepared to paint.  I checked the Weather Channel. 
Radar showed the rain was halfway across Connecticut, and the
prediction was for rain to begin after 10:00 PM.  Seam sealer
applied and dried, I donned my coveralls and headed out to the
barn to mix my paint.  (Dupont Centari purchased from ABP,
after checking with my local supplier who said he couldn't meet
their price and advised me to but from ABP.)  When I stepped
out the door at 1:00 PM, it was already raining, so the project
was aborted.  
 
Today seemed that it might be the last window of suitable
painting weather before spring, so I took the afternoon off to
paint the bulkhead.  Although I have a barn to work in, (unlike
some on the list -- Mike Loiodice and TeriAnn come to mind) it
is not properly electrified, so even though I have been offered
the use of a compressor and sprayer, I don't think I can take
advantage of it.  Therefore, I resorted to the PreVal trick. 
And now the bulkhead is Poppy Red!  And so am I, more or less.
One small step for mankind, one giant leap for me!!!  Now I can
attach said red bulkhead to the frame and spend a cold (barn
has wood stove, but only able to achieve ~30F when outside temp
is in the teens) winter rebuilding mechanical components
(purchased quite happily from LR Supermarket, Genuine Parts,
thankyouverymuch).  
 
A couple of nights ago I had a visitation by Graham and Maureen
Day showing off their very pretty 1973 SIII 88 ragtop.  What a
pity that I am still forced to live vicariously through this
digest.
 
John Karlsson
Hope Valley, RI

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:19:54 -0700
From: cynrice@teleport.com (jon landry)
Subject: Diesel vs. Petrol which one?

Howdy all,      
        Just another newbie question from me.
Which motor do most people prefer, the
diesel or the petrol? It seems to me after
driving a gas civilian "hummer" that the 
diesel engines are a better application for
4x4's. I guess I just prefer the torque at
a much lower rpm level. I drive the real ones,
(Military HMMWV's...diesels) so I know the
difference here, but not between the Land Rover
ones. Which ones have more problems? 
Are parts more scarce...expensive? I would 
appreciate any help on this matter.

        My friend gave me a 2.25litre diesel
which he says "was running  when it came out".
It has, however,  been sitting for 6-7 years in 
his garage , so it may not be all that "nice"
now. Also, it has a trans on it...how to ID it?
Same question for the engine, it is all there
but is mighty nasty looking.

        thanks all, back laters
    Jon Landry
    Defender of Freedom
    cynrice@teleport.com
    Step on my toes...and I'll cut yours off!!!
    Scouts out...

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 21:19:42 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Block heaters

Forgot to get the part number off the office machine, but for those who want 
one, it shouldn't be too hard to find.  The heater threads into the 1" 
National Pipe Thread fitting at the top rear of the 2.25.  The heating 
element looks like a loop of 3/8" copper pipe and protrudes about 1/2" from 
the inner face of the plug, "hanging down" from the outer diameter about the 
same.  400 watts will keep the lump warm (the temp guage will be just below 
the bottom of the "N" range in the morning) on a -17F night with 20 MPH 
winds *if* plugged in while the engine is warm.  I've also fitted a 50 watt 
battery heater and a 1.5 amp trickle charger.  On those bloody cold mornings 
when everyone sane is snug in bed and everyone else has frozen motors, I'm 
cuttin' first tracks.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:23:30 -0700
From: Raj Sabnani <sabnani@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Dealer Recommendations for Discovery In California and New Mexico

> From LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com  Mon Oct 16 21:19:14 1995
> From: David Dodell <david@warp.stat.com>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Discovery.  I would love to hear from people who have been able to  
> negotiate for a Discovery in California.

Nope - no negotiation here in the SF Bay area too.
 
> Also, can the CD player be bought someplace besides a dealer cheaper?
> From: David Dodell <david@warp.stat.com>

My dealer decided to throw it in since there is a wait for the 1996 models.
The dealer told me that there is a whole bunch of rewiring that needs to 
be done if you buy a non-LR CD player.

-Raj Sabnani
 sabnani@cisco.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:39:08 +1300
From: jawa@i-max.co.nz (jawa)
Subject: fishey

1. While Lofty's bones are exposed, I thought I would like to squirt some
sort of rust inhibiter in the various holes in the chassis. I have seen
letters with  waxoil mentioned. How fluid is it, could I use my garden
sprayer to apply? where do you get it?
2. has anybody heard of fish-o-lene, a fish oil anti rust product  believe.
3. what about mixing new oil and petrol, (2-stroke) to make it runny, spray
that in the frame holes, the petrol will then evaporate, leaving the oil
behind :-)   (yes I know. BANG)  :-0

4. saw the very funny elephant/ LR joke,  but I canned it, and wish I had
kept a copy. Could some kind soul, repeat it so I can take a copy to our
monthly LR meeting.

 regards John

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 18:49:04 PDT
From: Bennett Leeds <bennett@mv.us.adobe.com>
Subject: Re: Dealer Recommendations for Discovery In California and New Mexico

Well, I'm speaking somewhat prematurely, as I haven't actually taken  
delivery of my '96 Discovery, but I have a signed agreement, have put  
down a deposit, and I have the serial number of my car, which is due  
in about a week.

> > Discovery.  I would love to hear from people who have been able 

> > to negotiate for a Discovery in California.

> Nope - no negotiation here in the SF Bay area too.

Depends on the dealer. To make a long story short, I got Car Club to  
negotiate a deal for me. They actually negotiated two deals: a really  
sweet deal on a remaining '95 (this was about 3-4 weeks ago) as well  
as a deal on the '96 I ended up going for. This apparently was the  
first LR deal for them, as those who have tried probably have heard:  
"everything except Saturns and Land Rovers." Well, no more, at least  
in the SF Bay area!

> > Also, can the CD player be bought someplace besides a dealer 

> > cheaper?
> My dealer decided to throw it in since there is a wait for the 1996 

> models. The dealer told me that there is a whole bunch of rewiring 

> that needs to be done if you buy a non-LR CD player.

According to others here, it's apparently easy to hook-up other  
Pioneer units, you just don't get to control them from the dash  
bindle.

Dealer cost on the CD player is reputedly around $300, and typical  
asking price from the dealer is around $550, including the 15 minute  
install.

- Bennett

------------------------------

From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: OME shocks
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:33:13 +0930 (CST)

> does anyone know if rancho or the old man emu system shocks / springs are 
> available for the series land rovers?

OME shocks?  well yes sort of.  The recomended OME shocks for a 109 are..

Front  same fitment as landcruiser require bush kit. (eyes too small for
standard bushes..does provide increased travel as shocks are longer)
Rear same fitment as Range Rover require spacer under bump stop to prevent
shock bottoming out  ( reduces travel)

Given this I went back to genuine stuff which was cheaper than gabriel, in
hind sight maybe I should have gone for the Gabby gas units for the extra few
$$ but time will tell..

If I had lots of dollars and wanted Top shocks  I splash out on Koni's

just my opinion
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

------------------------------

From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Metric Land Rovers
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:46:40 -0700

> 100"        254 cm

So that would mean I now drive a '95 Disco 255 (more or less)? Cool!
    _____
   /___|_\___     Bob Watson <a-robw@microsoft.com>
  |   |   |  \                  6405 235th Place SW
  |---|___|___\____     Mountlake Terrace, WA 98043
  |  _|   |   | _  }\                
 {|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 19:11:42 PDT
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: Dealer Recommendations for Discovery In California and New Mexico

Raj,

> > Discovery.  I would love to hear from people who have been able to  
> > negotiate for a Discovery in California.
> Nope - no negotiation here in the SF Bay area too.

Not true - I just read the "how to buy a new car" web page, applied all those
skills that my employer paid for me to learn on a "negotiation" training
course and went off to San Jose and San Francisco to play. First agreed a good
deal on my tradein (book value I think) heap of coughing spluttering Jeep
and also got a reasonable way towards splitting the difference between
invoice and sticker (assuming you consider options as negotiation tools).
I was also able to negotiate individual options (officially it's either
the SD or the SE-7 if you want stick shift, which I did, with no in between
packages). So I got the sunroofs (dealer installed, same price, better warranty)
but not a bunch of the other SE stuff. Mind you, I don't think Lucas have started
tooling up for those '96 fog-lamps yet: no prospect of getting those any time
soon methinks :-(

The salesperkin did seem a little offended at first when I made him an offer
well below his sticker price (this was the Rolls/Jag/RR/LR dealer in SF
and there was probably $3M of inventory placed on the polished marble floor
within sight of his desk - check out the building some time: it's an
amazing architectural monument to the '20s motoring scene. Try to get to
see their service dept floor too: probably 30-40 Rolls sitting there
with some from late '20s too (drool, droool)). He got more interested in
negotiation when I asked him if I could call the San Jose dealer to tell
them I would be a little late for my test-drive appointment (I think that was 
lesson 6 of the Karrass negotiation course). The appearance of my cheque-book and
the fact that it was the last weekend of the month also helped to clinch
the deal (Karrass lesson 7) and I only spent 25 minutes of his time.

So I think there is no such thing as "no negotiation" (Karrass last chapter!).
Get your company to send you on that course, Raj - they can afford to :-)

> > Also, can the CD player be bought someplace besides a dealer cheaper?
> > From: David Dodell <david@warp.stat.com>
> My dealer decided to throw it in since there is a wait for the 1996 models.
> The dealer told me that there is a whole bunch of rewiring that needs to 
> be done if you buy a non-LR CD player.

It looks like the CD is a fairly standard Pioneer unit: it may be that they
make it difficult for you by having a special wiring harness or something.
I had not done the homework on that one so I paid full whack for that option.

> -Raj Sabnani
>  sabnani@cisco.com

Andrew Smith
Palo Alto CA USA

'60 Healey 3000 Mk.I
'96 Discovery

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From: kbossard@mgdestmx01.erin.gov.au
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 12:05:22 EST
Subject: 5 speed boxes

Doug asked about the strength of the LT85 gearbox and about LT77 boxes, 
particularly in Australian 110s.

I really can't comment on the strength of the LT95 vs the LT85 box but Rover 
describes the LT85 as a heavy duty box. It features an integral oil pump (and 
filter) which probably reflects its description. 

As to the LT77 box, my workshop manual which covers vehicles uptil 1993 
indicates that the LT77 box was only used in 4 cylinder vehicles. I understand 
from Tim Shepard's book that more recent 90s and 110s (both fours and V8s) used 
a gearbox designated as LT77S. Presumably this box is stronger than the LT77 (ie 
it got seriously better as Doug put it). According to my workshop manual the 
LT77S was around before 1993 but only used in the fours.

I have an LT85 equipped 110 and it's certainly great on the highway. Will sit on 
120 kph all day (don't ask me about the fuel consumption!). A friend in Adelaide 
with a 4 speed wishes he had a 5 for long trips.

KarlB
ph:  06 271 2189
fax:  06 273 2395
email: kbossard@mgdestmx01.erin.gov.au

------------------------------

From: "Hugh Grierson" <Hugh_Grierson@trimble.co.nz>
Date:          Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:39:37 +1300
Subject:       Re: fishey

> 1. While Lofty's bones are exposed, I thought I would like to squirt some
> sort of rust inhibiter in the various holes in the chassis. I have seen
> letters with  waxoil mentioned. How fluid is it, could I use my garden
> sprayer to apply? where do you get it?

If you find someone who stocks it here in NZ then let me know!

> 2. has anybody heard of fish-o-lene, a fish oil anti rust product  believe.

That's what several people in Auckland recommended to me.
They said it does stink a bit though.  I haven't tried it yet, but 
I'll have to soon if no waxoyl turns up.
 
-- 
Hugh Grierson   hugh_grierson@trimble.co.nz  

------------------------------

From: Sekerere@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:48:32 -0400
Subject: message received

Subj:	Re: LRs
Date:	95-10-18 01:59:03 EDT
From:	GWong168
To:	Sekerere

Hi Sekerere!  Thanks for replying.  I have 1968 88 Series IIA.  Recently it
died on me while I was driving and now it could not start.  I have again
replaced the condenser and points; but it still is not starting.  Last time
it did the same thing I just replaced the condenser and it started.  I am not
sure what is going on now.  I checked the fuel lines and filters.  They
seemed fine.  Sparks are coming out of the coil cable.   The engine turns but
could not start up.   Could you help me?

------------------------------

From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: 5 speed boxes
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:53:01 +0930 (CST)

Karl explains: 
> I really can't comment on the strength of the LT95 vs the LT85 box but Rover 
> describes the LT85 as a heavy duty box. It features an integral oil pump
(and filter) which probably reflects its description. 

The LT 95 also has these features, though the fibre pump is prone to failure.
I'd love to know how to tell if its working without dropping the box or
lifting the motor anyone have ideas???

> I have an LT85 equipped 110 and it's certainly great on the highway. Will
sit on 120 kph all day (don't ask me about the fuel consumption!).

In the stage 1 (which has the same gearing as a 110 4sp) 120Kph ~ 4K rpm.  It
will do it but is rather uncomfortable and thirsty.

thanks for the info on the later boxes  the R380 must be late 94/95 then ??

cheers 
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:19:42 -0600 (CST)
From: David Place <dplace@SIRNet.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: Block Heater for 2.25

I have an oil pan from a 2.5 l diesl that a fellow brazed a water tank 
type heating coil into.  It seems to work just fine.  It saves trying to 
get those terrible frost plugs out.  I have seen fellows using the 
magnetic heaters that attach to the pan up here in Manitoba (Canada) and 
they seem to work.  A cheaper method I suspect is to use the pan heater 
from a Volkswagon bug.  They are so hot I have seen snow melted under the 
car in Mid January up here, so they must do a great job of heating the 
block and carb.  Dave VE4PN

------------------------------

From: mfalcon@sover.net
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:50:02 -0700
Subject: Oz?

Just a quick question for the group.
Does anyone know how "Oz" became the nickname for
Australia? I see it used here and in "Variety" (the movie trade paper)all the 
time.
Thanks.
Regards to all.
M Falcon

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Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 07:45:48 +0100
From: Peter Kutschera <peter@zditr1.arcs.ac.at>
Subject: NO MAILS FROM LRO LIST ?!

who
lists
end
(only if this goes to majordomo instead a real person)

Hello!
Sorry to bother you but I got no mails from the LRO - list since one week!

Or exactly: The last mail I got was at (from my syslog file)
Oct 12 20:49:53 from=<LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com>

Can you give me some hints how to continue to get mails from this mailig list?

Thanks, Peter

Signature: http://zditr1.arcs.ac.at/~peter

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From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:27:00 +0001
Subject: Re: Metric Land Rovers

Hip Hip Hurrah! The British throw their system overboard. At last they
become real Europeans. ;-) The next major change will be the ECU ( European
Coin Unit for the non-Europeans ).

Well, my real statement is that standardization is a *GOOD* thing. Why is it
that modern cybernauts as all LRO members are can communicate trough
cyberspace? Because of standardization( of communication protocols I say ).
So I think it's a step in the right direction.

P.S. Be aware that the next time you order a pint, you'll get *TWO* metric
glasses 8-D. Two beers for the price of one! Aint that great!?

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