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1 azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woo25Re: beached land rover (Daily Telegraph, p 3, 17 Oct 1995)
2 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu8Re: Mailing list future [NOT NOISE>
3 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu14Re: beached land rover (Daily Telegraph, p 3, 17 Oct 1995)
4 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000426Re: Premature timing belt failure
5 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu19Re:exhaust pipe colours
6 Mr Ian Stuart [Ian.Stuar14 Re: Mailing list future [NOT NOISE>
7 wassili@amc.uva.nl 33Re: More ASCII Art
8 wassili@amc.uva.nl 27Re: 235-75-16 compared with 235-70-16
9 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D16Rochester Carb replacement
10 Easton Trevor [TEASTON@D21GPS accuracy
11 Robert Dennis [73363.42727Change in the weather
12 "John C. White III" [jcw19Re: Aussie Newbie
13 "John C. White III" [jcw19Re: Rochester Carb Idle Adjustment
14 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em14Re: plug deposits
15 "John Y. Liu" [johnliu@e20Re: Mailing list future [NOT NOISE>
16 Chris Haslam [haslam@alc3488 RR Block heater
17 Harincar@mooregs.com (Ti44Please do not make this a newsgroup!
18 "T.F. Mills" [tomills@du19Re: More ASCII Art
19 jcfltee@CAM.ORG (Christi20Nashua, N.H. (unrelated to list)
20 "Guzelis.Pete" [guzelis.15RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
21 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em39Re: 88 RR Block heater
22 JCassidyiv@aol.com 28RR Lean/Hella Lights
23 Mike Rooth [M.J.Rooth@lu25Re: Mailing list future [NOT NOISE>
24 RMILLER@Middlebury.edu (21Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
25 RMILLER@Middlebury.edu (13Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
26 John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv11Re: Off-road GPS: what about trees?
27 Chris Haslam [haslam@alc1588 RR Block Heater
28 Chris Haslam [haslam@alc15Re: 88 RR Block heater
29 Rob Bailey [baileyr@cuug19Re: Vertical winching (The Gods must be.
30 asmith@BayNetworks.COM (19Re: LRO Lists Futures ???? [[ READ THIS MAIL ! >> (fwd)
31 James Mobley [70302.251629Tire and wheel and brake tech questions.
32 James Mobley [70302.251627235-75-16 compared with 235-70-16
33 Benjamin Allan Smith [be28[not specified]
34 cynrice@teleport.com (jo29need a rover....
35 Bennett Leeds [bennett@m15Re: Mailing list future [NOT NOISE>
36 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@em16Re: 88 RR Block Heater
37 Tim McDaniel [mcdaniel@a119New owner
38 gpool@pacific.pacific.ne62Aspect ratio of tires (tyres)
39 Benjamin Allan Smith [be23[not specified]
40 John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv33Re: RR Lean/Hella Lights
41 James Kirkpatrick - INEN6Re: Request for spare part/front panel assembly
42 Chris Haslam [haslam@alc988 RR Gaiter Kit
43 lenagham@inetmail.bachma33Range Rover rear brake caliper
44 "Wharton, Skip" [wharton52LRO List Future
45 Chris Haslam [haslam@alc13Second battery
46 Chris Haslam [haslam@alc988 RR Gaiter Kit
47 rover@pinn.net (Alexande21CU ratings
48 TONY YATES [tonyy@waalp36Re: RR Lean/Hella Lights
49 TONY YATES [tonyy@waalp29Re: Nashua, N.H. (unrelated to list)
50 Malcolm956@aol.com 46Hummers in the Boston Globe
51 jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)17Re: CU ratings
52 cynrice@teleport.com (jo27Still looking for a Land Rover
53 Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.CO43Re: Tire and wheel and brake tech questions.
54 STEVE COX [Steve_Cox@Del21List Future
55 rover@pinn.net (Alexande34Crankin' shackles
56 JCassidyiv@aol.com 12GPS's
57 vogel@shrsys.hslc.org 25British Newspaper Stories
58 jgoldman@acs.bu.edu 33Coil Sprung Chassis...
59 dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu19Re: disco wheels
60 Robert Dennis [73363.42730Block Heater for 2.25
61 JCassidyiv@aol.com 24RR Lean
62 "Robert Watson (CNA)" [a27RE: Newbie L-R alert ....
63 wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbi14'95 D90 HT
64 Daniel Polak [daniel@sys23GPS
65 Daniel Polak [daniel@sys13Mailing list future [NOT NOISE>


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From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: beached land rover (Daily Telegraph, p 3, 17 Oct 1995)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:03:03 UNDEFINED

|Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders parked a bit below high tide while
|filming a spoof segment on Baywatch while on Location at Burnham-on-Sea.

|Rob Hopkins of Weston Recovery Service yanked it out with a '42 tank 
|recovery vehicle is quoted stating:

|        "I think most of the crew are from London and they don't know the 
|         ways of the sea.  It is an easy mistake to make -- but it has
|         given the local a real laugh."

|Caption on the photo is "Jennifer Saunders looks on as the Land Rover
|disappears beneath the waves", while this 110" Station Wagon has got swells
|breaking over the bonnet, and the rear cross-member under water.

The Bangor University Biology Dept bought a brand new 110. They took it out on 
a feild trip to Maatraeth - a mile wide expanse of sand with 32foot 
tides......Sure enough, when they came back, it was up to the axles. And 
no-one had ever been in an offoad vehicle before......... Was a complete write 
off when they got it pulled out at the next low tide.........

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Mailing list future <NOT NOISE>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 9:26:15 BST

FWIW,I agree with Ben.Keep it as it is.Please.
Mike Rooth

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: beached land rover (Daily Telegraph, p 3, 17 Oct 1995)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 9:39:20 BST

> It seems that one of the television crew for the British comedy duo of
> Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders parked a bit below high tide while
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> Caption on the photo is "Jennifer Saunders looks on as the Land Rover
> disappears beneath the waves", while this 110" Station Wagon has got swells
> breaking over the bonnet, and the rear cross-member under water.
Dont buy it!!!!
Mike Rooth

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Date: 18 Oct 95 05:49:05 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Premature timing belt failure

>"old" 1993 Disco (200 TDi) shortly after it's timing belt failed whilst
>cruising on the motorway.  This failure occured at about 50,000 miles
...
>was agreed to be well within the scheduled replacement time/distance of
>5 years/60,000 miles.
...
>I am sorely tempted to have our TDi's belt changed at 48,000 mile intervals.

I recall the 'old' mid-eighties 4-cyl turbo diesels having been prone to
belt failure, and with those engines it used to be an advisable practice
to at least check up on the belts after every 30,000 miles or so. They
rarely lasted longer. As I understood, Land Rover supposedly had done away
with this problem with the TDi engine. Lets hope what happened here was the
proverbial exception to the rule.
Re: Zeus timing gears, they're wonderful (though 'notsocheap'), *but*...
the engine must have an impeccable oil pump and oil flow. Zeus timing gear
combined with bad/low oil pressure / low oil level is a sure ticket to
yet more (and more expensive) trouble.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re:exhaust pipe colours
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:13:02 BST

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

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> -- 
>   Daryl
It was,is now,and forever shall be,world without end....unleaded that
is.And brother,havent they had to work hard to find something wrong
with,so you have to feel guilty using the stuff.SOOT,they say,its
bad for you.Well,since my old Granny cleaned her teeth with the stuff,
and lived to a ripe old age*with* her own teeth,they can put *that*
one where it'll do the most good.Sideways.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: Mr Ian Stuart <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:24:26 +0000
Subject:       Re: Mailing list future <NOT NOISE>

> FWIW,I agree with Ben.Keep it as it is.Please.
and I

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

    Hero Figure: BOFH..

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From: wassili@amc.uva.nl
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:22:28 +0001
Subject: Re: More ASCII Art

>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>I just worked up a frontal view of a SerIIa. What do you think?
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>    |\/|            |\/|
It's great, allthough I think the right front wheel should be one space to
the left.

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|## ###  ######\______
|    ___\      | ___  \
|___/   \=A6_____=A6/   \_|
    ( 0 )       ( 0 )
Roy Wassili
1995 Discovery
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
*-*-*-*-*Roy Wassili, system manager                               Phone :
(+31)205663501
Academic Medical Center, the University of Amsterdam      Fax   :
(+31)206091271 
Lung function dept. C2-434                                e-mail:
wassili@amc.uva.nl
1105 AZ AMSTERDAM
The Netherlands

             :-) The Jeep may be famous, the Landrover is legendary (-:

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From: wassili@amc.uva.nl
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:22:29 +0001
Subject: Re: 235-75-16 compared with 235-70-16

>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>Can anyone explain the practical difference bweeteen these tire  
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>Michelins and Generals 100.00 to 125.00. I posted this before but it  
>never seems to have got through. Thanks, John Friedman

The -75- and the -70- implies the height of the wall in percentage of the
width, so the -75- should give 5% more ground clearance than the -70-. 

Roy.
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
*-*-*-*-*Roy Wassili, system manager                               Phone :
(+31)205663501
Academic Medical Center, the University of Amsterdam      Fax   :
(+31)206091271  
Lung function dept. C2-434                                e-mail:
wassili@amc.uva.nl
1105 AZ AMSTERDAM
The Netherlands

             :-) The Jeep may be famous, the Landrover is legendary (-:

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Rochester Carb replacement
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 08:14:00 DST

Duncan's figures for the value of a carb replacement make a lot of sense. 
Miss Golightly returns 22 miles/imp gallon with the single choke Weber so 
for the 4000 miles would cost about $227 based on a US gallon at $1 for a 
saving of $173. My carb cost $123 (Can) including shipping and handling, 
from Paddock and took just 5 days from my fax to arrive. On this basis you 
should pay for a Weber in about 2500 miles and it will be new not rebuilt. 
Just be sure to put a cooling device on the float chamber (see earlier 
notes)

Trevor

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: GPS accuracy
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 08:26:00 DST

One of the problems with GPS, for private and commercial users, is that the 
accuracy has been downgraded by the military and there is also a random 
error built into the transmission. Not too important if you are navigating 
on the open ocean but it precludes its use for aiming missiles or 
artilliary. The system Tom Rowe refers to is differential global positioning 
system (DGPS) which uses a ground station, which knows where it is, to 
transmit a correction factor to account for accuracy and random errors. The 
object is to provide a signal in areas of water that will enable ships to 
accurately navigate within narrow  channels. it is also used for surveying 
and accuracies down to the centimetre level are claimed. ie which side of 
the kitchen sink is your receiver. The drawback of DGPS is that a receiver 
currently will cost about $3500 or more. But then so did regular GPS units 
just a few years ago and now you can buy hand held units for a few hundred.

Trevor

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Date: 18 Oct 95 08:40:30 EDT
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: Change in the weather

 Auntie Em, Auntie Em! It's a twister

 Watch out Tony, looks like the weather is making a turn for the worse.

 >>==========================================================<<
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 Tony Yates                      @@@@@@@@@@
 Bureau of Meteorology             @@@@@@@
 Port Hedland                         @@@@
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 ph:  (091) 401 350                   @@@
 fax: (091) 401 100                  @@@
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 Rob Dennis
 Atlanta, GA USA
 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 18-Oct-1995

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:03:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John C. White III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Aussie Newbie

Welcome, Tim!  You picked a great car.

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery 3.9L V8, as per North American spec. (NAS)
San Francisco, California

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Tim Chapman FCE/DGF-AF/F&P DIV wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> I just discovered the land rover owner digest and thought that I would 
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> Regards,
> Tim Chapman 

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:14:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: "John C. White III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Rochester Carb Idle Adjustment

Yikes!  A tornado and it isn't even Kansas, Toto.

You didn't have a bad turn in the weather there did you, Tony?

Concerned,
John
San Francisco, California
(Formerly, Lawrence, Kansas)

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:53:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: plug deposits

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Daryl Webb wrote:

> as an aside how many of you have noticed a strong  plug preference with your
> rovers.   my low comp 3.5 doesnt like champion (runs ratty) just munches
> bosch (eats electrodes in ~2months, even 2 heat ranges colder than
> reccomended...)  

	Use NKG up here for the most part.  BPR5ES I believe.  Saab uses
	BPR6ES, but these also will suffice in the 2.25l.

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:33:21 -0700
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Mailing list future <NOT NOISE> 

Ben wrote:

>	Personally, I'd rather not [become a newsgroup].  Every newsgroup that I
read (some 50 to
>100) has at least 50% noise.  And then there will be the flame wars with
>the jeep and Land Cruiser folks.  And spam posts....  Also not everyone
>has access to newsgroups.

Agreed.  This list is nice and cozy and I recognize most of the names.  Also
think of the bandwidth saved by sending the digest only to those interested
in it instead of to tens of thousands of servers worldwide.  

If we wanted to, we could consider a monthly posting to rec.auto.4x4 noting
the existence of this mailing list.  But who runs this list anyway, and
would they be pleased with a substantial membership increase?

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:52:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: 88 RR Block heater

bSubject: Re: 88 RR (3.5l) Block heater

On Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Chris wrote:

>>RN want $80 U.S. for a "real" LR block heater.  Can anyone tell me an 
>>after-market source, i.e. manufacturer and part number?

>Don't know the part number, but Zero Start (or Stat?) in Canada makes
>all kinds of engine heaters.
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>If you don't have any luck, let me know, I can see if I can find my
>ZeroStart catalog.

I have tried several parts houses here, but none seems to have a listing. 
It wouldn't be the first time that something made in Canada isn't available
here!  Perhaps if I had a cross-listing I could persue the matter more
agressively.  I have found out that the opening is 1 1/2 inches, but parts
outfits get all concerned about size of the heater element, and which way it
bends, etc.

Looking forward to further clues...

...chris
88 RR
Tom Rowe
UW Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI 53706	| Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
wk 608-265-6194	| in places even more inaccessible
hm 608-243-8660

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From: Harincar@mooregs.com (Tim Harincar)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:56:36 -0700
Subject: Please do not make this a newsgroup!

The subject says it all. Think of it like this: our mailing list is like an 
exclusive club, we can come in and talk about our Rovers and their highs and 
lows. But, with a newsgroup, its like having a public meeting. Everytime 
someone would post about a Rover problem, all the poor sods who have toyotas 
and nissans, feeling the need for rationalization, would jump in and say that 
Rovers were really just overpriced.

Think of it, I bet we would get a large percentage of post like that dork who 
wanted to put up his Rodeo against a Defender in an off-road challenge. I 
don't want to wade through that everyday.

Now *we* all know that no car is perfect, Rovers included. So we can come 
together and *discuss* our problems and work through them. I don't want to 
see every request for help followed by a jerk with a jeep saying "na na na 
na." 

It takes an effort to get on the mailing list, so only people who really 
want to be here end up on the list. Newsgroups are *easy*. I used to have a 
.sig file that was a quote from a resident of Baja while discussing the 
paving of the main highway:

"Bad roads, good people. Good roads, all kinds of people."

Basically, before the roads were paved, it took a real effort to get to where 
she was, and those that did were serious and knew what they were doing. Now 
she gets traffic from all kinds of idiots.

This of this list as a difficult off road trial...

Thanks,

Tim
---
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

P.S. I suppose if its a newsgroup or nothing, I'll take the newsgroup. But 
only as a last resort.

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From: "T.F. Mills" <tomills@du.edu>
Subject: Re: More ASCII Art
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:10:00 -0600 (MDT)

Just a reminder...

I keep a collection of everybody's Rover ASCIIs at

http://www.du.edu/~tomills/lrsigs.html

It has been updated to include the most recent submissions.  This 
collection includes attributions.  There is another collection (I forget 
if it is Lloyd's or the Rover Web) as plain art without attributions.

T. F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                               University of Denver Library
http://www.du.edu/~tomills                          Denver  CO 80208  USA

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:08:08 -0400
From: jcfltee@CAM.ORG (Christian Tassé)
Subject: Nashua, N.H. (unrelated to list)

Hello,

I'll be heading out to Nashua, N.H. with my wife for a convention and would
like to know the 5-day forecast in this region. I also would like to know if
there are any nice parks to see or back roads to take. Are the leaves in
there full colors or is it over(here it's been over for 10 days now)? Also,
is there a Land Rover dealership or third party reseller close by so I can
go in and sneak on some of the stuff the Canadian dealership don't carry.

Thank you for any feedback and sorry to the rest of you for this unrelated
subject.

Christian Tasse
Discovery 1995
St-Sauveur-des-Monts, Quebec, Canada

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Date: 18 Oct 1995 08:28:20 U
From: "Guzelis.Pete" <guzelis.pete@ssdgwy.mdc.com>
Subject: RE: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Can anyone tell me what tire brand, size, price and US source for D110 tires.
Friend of mine needs tires for his SUV (not L/R) and wants to use the L/R 110
"slicks".
_______________________________________________________________________________
From: Land-Rover-Owner@uk.stratus.com on Wed, Oct 18, 1995 1:47 AM
Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
File(s): The Land Rover Owner Daily Dige

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:34:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: 88 RR Block heater

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Chris Haslam wrote:

> It wouldn't be the first time that something made in Canada isn't available
> here!  Perhaps if I had a cross-listing I could persue the matter more
> agressively.  I have found out that the opening is 1 1/2 inches, but parts
> outfits get all concerned about size of the heater element, and which way it
> bends, etc.

	Canadian Tire...  They should have it.  They manage to cover the
	2.25l engines, so the Rover V8 should be easy.  One hint in
	dealing with CT.  Have a list of alternate vehicles handy.  You
	might even want to start with the Buick, before going to
	MGBV8, TR-8, Rover 3500, Morgan, TVR...

	Oh hell...  <time sitting on hold>

	Amazing!  The chap at the other end knows all about the engine.
	Has a friend with a RHD 3500.  Hitting the Temro book...

	Engine		misc.		temro #   Other info
	-----------	-----------	--------	
	8 cylinger  	1987-95		220-2794  1.5" 
	
	Cdn$22.89  	Cnd Tire #30-3219  in stock in Ottawa

	Other numbers....

	6 cylinder 	182 cu inch   	220-0015  1"
	
	4 cylinder	120 cu inch	220-3103  1 15/16"  1958 - 
	
	Rgds,

	Dixon

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From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:34:17 -0400
Subject: RR Lean/Hella Lights

A couple of new problems have surfaced with my '87 RR;
1.)  Body lean:  After a rigourous off-roading session this weekend, the
vehicle seemed to be leaning to the right.  Checking the clearance between
axle casing and bump stop(truck unladen) I found about 2.25 inches up front
left and right.  In the rear, the left side clearance measured 3.75 inches
and the right about 3.0 inches.  Any suggestions?  The truck has new
Bilsteins all around and a new Poly-Bush set.  Springs are original as far as
I know.  Nothing appears broke and a friend of mine thinks it has always
leaned that way.

2.)  The vehicle has a set of Hella fog-lights installed by the PO.  The
power is supplied via a relay and the wires to both lights run off the same
single plug in the relay.  One light works and the other doesn't.  Replaced
both bulbs today without a change.  There are no bare wires and all seems
securely connected.  I've expended my limited electrical ability and would
really like to have both lamps lit.  Any help would be appreciated!

Cheers!
John Cassidy,   Bangor, Maine
1966 IIA 88" under resto.
1987 RR 
1995 Disco

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Mailing list future <NOT NOISE>
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:38:45 BST

Point taken John,but do we really want to advertise.ie
do we necessarily want *them*.
A a striclty personal opinion,the further we can stay
away from newsgroups,the better say I.It seems that
those that want(or need) to find us,usually do
(eg Taylor,ahem,sorry)and those that are merely curious
(eg Taylor)we can IMO,do without.
As I say,I've *had* newsgroups,after getting involved with
a vicious know it all who appeared to think that American
towing rules,regulations,and equipment ruled worldwide.
No *way* could I explain to him that the sort of horse trailers
he was on about wouldnt get five miles in this country without
jamming the entire road,much less get through the small field
entrances that most events are held on.The contrast between
that attitude and the one prevailing on this list couldnt
be greater.I'd like it to stay that way.
Just my twopennorth.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:55:47 +0000
From: RMILLER@Middlebury.edu (Raoul Miller)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>"John B. Friedman" wrote:
>Can anyone explain the practical difference bweeteen these tire
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>Michelins and Generals 100.00 to 125.00. I posted this before but it
>never seems to have got through. Thanks, John Friedman
In theory there should only be 23.5 mm difference in diameter (73.8mm or a
little less than 3" diff in circumference).  In my experience there is
often that much difference between diameters quoted as the same size by
different manufacturers.  For instance:  225-75-15 by Cooper has a diameter
of 27.2", 215-75-15 by Yokohama (which is upposed to be smaller) has a
diameter of 29.1".
          One thought which comes to mind is that the sidewall on a 70
series tyre will have slightly different characteristics to a 75 series
tyre.  I would not think it would make much difference on any 4WD vehicle,
though.
        Cheers,  Raoul Miller

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:59:09 +0000
From: RMILLER@Middlebury.edu (Raoul Miller)
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

>> Have we considered becomming a news group?  We certainly have enough
>> members if I recall the requirements correctly and the Williams report of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
>has access to newsgroups.
>Ben
I would have to echo Ben's sentiments - the newsgroups are becoming almost
worthless due to massive crossposting, junk posts, etc.  This form seems so
much more civilised and accessible.

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:47:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Off-road GPS: what about trees?

In my experience anything like tree cover or adjecent structures can stop 
it from working.

Cheers

John

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:48:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: 88 RR Block Heater

Tom Rowe tells me that someone bought the official block heater from RN.  
Perhaps that person would tell me which way the element pointed, how long 
it was, was there a shield of some kind, etc. A photograph would be 
marvellous!

Neither UAP nor Temro list a block heater for an 88 RR, a Rover SD1 or a 
1963 Buick V8 215 Cu in.  Are there other cars that use this 3.5 litre 
engine?

...chris

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:51:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: Re: 88 RR Block heater

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Dixon Kenner wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Chris Haslam wrote:
> > It wouldn't be the first time that something made in Canada isn't available
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 37 lines)]
> 	Rgds,
> 	Dixon
Many, many thanks.

...chris

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:18:36 -0600 (MDT)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: Re: Vertical winching (The Gods must be.

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995 LANDROVER@delphi.com wrote:

> Rob sez...
> > I saw the movie quite recently, and if you look closely, the LR has been 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> /
> Aw, geeeeeeee... now you've gone and spoiled it.... 

Sorry, guess I was temporarily hip-mo-tized. I suppose in order to 
restart the magic, I could try to winch my IIa up into a tree this 
weekend. I'll keep you posted. It would give me a chance to use my winch 
on the LR rather than my friends' Ramchargers and Jeeps! (no joke).

Rob

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 10:20:54 PDT
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: LRO Lists Futures ???? << READ THIS MAIL ! >> (fwd)

Well, given the rate at which BMC in San Francisco is selling Discos, I
would anticipate a sort of exponential growth in traffic .... they have sold
at least 8 in the last 2 weeks :-)

Andrew Smith
Palo Alto CA USA
'60 Healey 3000 Mk.I
'96 Discovery

> Can anyone provide a traffic estimate for the main LRO list (vis a vis its
> current trouble)? Maybe in terms of subscribers and messages oer day, etc.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> current trouble)? Maybe in terms of subscribers and messages oer day, etc.
> -jory

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Date: 18 Oct 95 13:54:56 EDT
From: James Mobley <70302.2516@compuserve.com>
Subject: Tire and wheel and brake tech questions.

Any good Discovery Techies out there listening? I have several questions.

1. Can the traction control system of a Range Rover be fitted to a Discovery?

2. I want to mount up a set of off-road tires on steel rims do any of the
aftermarket companies in England make a steel wheel to fit the Discovery? Must
have proper offsets, etc. (Dealer wants an obscene ammount for the steel wheel
that the spare comes mounted on. Aftermarket sources here just blink funny when
you tell them what you want.)

3. Will 15" wheels fit the Discovery or are 16" necessary to clear brakes? (Much
better selection of tires for 15" rims.)

4. Has anyone fitted a Discovery with 31"x10.5"-15" or 245/75-16" tires? Do they
clear or do they rub?

5. Is "oz" Austrailia? Or is the Wizzard online? ("Toto, I don't think we're in
Kansas any more...")

Thanks for any advice!

Jim
San Bernardino, CA
70302.2516@compuserve.com

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Date: 18 Oct 95 13:55:13 EDT
From: James Mobley <70302.2516@compuserve.com>
Subject: 235-75-16 compared with 235-70-16

John B. Friedman asks

>Can anyone explain the practical difference between these tire  
sizes?

235 = section width at widest point in mm.

70 or 75 = section height from rim to tread as a % of width.

16 = rim diameter in inches.

Thus a 235/70-16 tire is (235 x .7 x 2)/25.4 + 16 = 28.95" in diameter
and a 235/75-16 is (235 x .75 x 2)/25.4 + 16 = 29.87" in diameter. This is not
enough to worry about as it is less than a 5% difference in diameter. Change all
four of course. The up side is that you gain almost 1/2" clearance under the
axles.

Please note that the sizes are nominal and actual tires vary by as much as 3/4"
from the "correct" size.

Jim
San Bernardino, CA

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Subject: Re: GPS accuracy 
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:32:42 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Trevor Easton wrote:
  
> One of the problems with GPS, for private and commercial users, is that the 
> accuracy has been downgraded by the military and there is also a random 
> error built into the transmission. 

	Actually the error is not truely random.  If it were random all you 
would have to do is take a few data points while stationary and the radius of
your horizontal error would decrease dramatically.  The error comes from 
the bandwidth of the signal and from the satellites lying about the time and
their actual orbits.   The effect is that the error is a "drunken walk". That
is, the error from one second to the next will be about the same, but will it
wander aimlessly over the 100m circle over time.  This way you have to stay
stationary for a long time to figure out exactly where you are.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:39:12 -0700
From: cynrice@teleport.com (jon landry)
Subject: need a rover....

Hey... I've been lurking for a couple days, and am finally ready to
post something. I am currently looking for a decent wagon to 
purchase. It does not hae to be spectacular,as I am very into restoring 
my own vehicles. I do not, however, have a pile of money for this 
endeavor, as I am still a college student. I live in Portalnd, OR.
Yup...the Pacific Northwest...USA...so I know my choices will be limited.
I would be willing to go as far as B.C. in Canada if there are more 
Land Rovers there.(?) 

        I have been converted by my friend's D110, so i thought I'd start
at a lower level. Oh yeah...I am a Jeep owner...but mine is real...
I totally rebuilt it myself...1969 Wagoneer...not a "Cheap Jeep", like
the new crap rolling off the lines. Please don't hold this against me!!!

        I also drive Humvees for the Army Nat'l Guard, as a Cav. Scout,
so I know what a great 4wd is...and it's name is Land Rover!!!

                                        Scouts Out....

    Jon Landry
    Defender of Freedom
    cynrice@teleport.com
    Step on my feet...and I'll cut yours off!!!
    

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 10:59:26 PDT
From: Bennett Leeds <bennett@mv.us.adobe.com>
Subject: Re: Mailing list future <NOT NOISE>

Well, I vote for newgroup. I regard mail as being more time critical.  
My newsreader is better able to sort the messages by topic as well as  
providing some limited archiving.

Participants in other newsgroups (rec.woodworking for instance) get  
the messages as email, so perhaps there is a good compromise  
solution. 

- Bennett Leeds
bennett@mv.us.adobe.com

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:45:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: Re: 88 RR Block Heater

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Chris Haslam wrote:

> Neither UAP nor Temro list a block heater for an 88 RR, a Rover SD1 or a 
> 1963 Buick V8 215 Cu in.  Are there other cars that use this 3.5 litre 
> engine?

	'tis in the Temro catalogue at Canadian Tire...

	Other aluminium block wonders:  Morgan +8, TVR, MGBV8, TR-8, LR
	Stage One, LR 110 & 90 Rover SD1, Rover 3.5 and Rover 3500,
	Discovery...

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:22:17 -0400
From: Tim McDaniel <mcdaniel@adra.com>
Subject: New owner

        Hello all, 

        My name's Tim McDaniel and I live in Brookline, NH.

        After much desire and searching, I have finally acquired my first 
        Land Rover.  I've joined this list hoping to make some contacts that
        will be able to help me get the thing going again.  I've read some
        of the archived postings and am pretty sure that I am on the right
        track.

        I have a few questions, but would like to describe what I have
        first.

                1972 Series III 88 SW 2.25l
                Its been parked for 4-5 years.
                It was started once, 2 years ago.
                69000 miles  (7000 miles since '82).
                Weber conversion.
                Updated distributor.
                Toro overdrive (Less than 7000 miles).

                Rear cross member was replaced 6 years ago.
                New gas tank 5 years ago.  (Supposed to be stainless)
                The frame has two or three spots of rust that
                are visible from the outside.  The entire underside
                was coated with roofing cement once.
                The left door post is starting to rot, but its still pretty
                solid.  The bottom part of the left door frame is starting
                to rot, but it too is pretty solid.
                The rear hubs leak.

                The interior is complete.  All seat cushions are like new,
                no holes or tears.  

                Other stuff that came with it:
                Hitch and mounting plate.
                Assorted new tuneup parts (plugs, condensor, points, oil
                filter).
                Owner's manual and break-down manual (not factory).

                It cost me US$500 plus $40 towing.

        So far I feel I got a pretty good deal.  Comments?

        My plan is to get it running first.  I've ordered up new wires,
        distributor cap, rotor, radiator hoses, altenator belt, fuel, and
        radiator cap.  (The latter two are very stuck.)

        I will also need to replace the brake lines to get it on the road.
        We busted one open while getting it off the ramp truck.

        Here are some questions:

        1.  I need to replace gear oil all around.  One of the past archive
            postings suggested synthetic oil as being much better, particularly
            in the cold weather.  If the oil needs to replaced on a regular
            basis (like the overdrive suggests), then this could be more
            expensive than its worth.  What does anyone suggest?

        2.  Is the Toro/Bearmach unit the same as a Fairey unit with 
            interchangeable parts?

        3.  I saw a mention that the front swivel balls should have 140 wt
            oil instead of 90 wt.  Does anybody do this?  The book says
            to use 90 wt I think.

        4.  Is there any way or type of grease that can be substituted for
            the oil in the swivel balls?

        5.  In terms of the brakes, I plan to replace all the lines including
            the flexible ones.  I know that the two previous owners always used
            Castrol girling fluid.  Since it has been sitting so long should I
            invest in rebuilding all the brake cylinders?  Should I rebuild the
            masters?

        6.  An old posting from someone in Australia suggested that the 
            overdrive unit has a relatively short life.  His unit was very
            loud after 12 months of use that included regular fluid changes.
            He removed the unit and asked about similar experiences, but there
            were no replies that I saw.  Are there any comments on this?  I
            will probably put about 3-5000 miles a year on this vehicle once
            it is all set.

        7.  The dash in this LR is cracked/split in about 8 places.  Does
            anyone have a non-cracked one to sell or know where I can get
            a non-cracked used one?  Rovers North wants $299 for a new one.

        8.  Are there any suggestions for a tachometer that fits nicely
            in the dash somewhere with perhaps an adaptor plate?

        9.  There was a dead low CCA battery that I removed.  Not knowing this
            engine well and given the relatively cold climate here, is there a 
            minimum CCA figure that I should get as a replacement or just get 
            the biggest that I can fit?

       10.  I saw a discussion on carbs that implied that the Weber tends to
            run hot because it runs leaner.  Is this something I should worry 
            about or is there something that can make it run cooler?

      
        Well that's all for now, I need to look like I'm doing some real
        work so I don't get fired.  In advance, I appreciate any help...

                                Thanks,

                                       Tim        

    +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
    | Tim McDaniel                               (508) 937-3700 ext. 725   |
    | Adra Systems, Inc.                         (508) 453-2462 (FAX)      |
    | 2 Executive Drive                                                    |
    | Chelmsford, MA  01824                      mcdaniel@adra.com         |
    | USA                                                                  |
    +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:43:51 -0700
From: gpool@pacific.pacific.net (Granville B. Pool)
Subject: Aspect ratio of tires (tyres)

On Tuesday, 17 Oct 95, John Friedman asked about the difference between tire
sizes 235-75-16 and 235-70-16:

>Can anyone explain the practical difference bweeteen these tire  
>sizes, as the 235-75-16 is easy to get where I live and fairly cheap,  
>Michelins and Generals 100.00 to 125.00. I posted this before but it  
>never seems to have got through. Thanks, John Friedman

John, 

The "70" and "75" are aspect ratio numbers, meaning that the height of the
tire section is approximately 70% or 75% of the section width.  A "235" is
235mm wide, which is about 9.25" wide.  70% of this is about 6.5".  So a
tire designated 235/70R16 should have a nominal overall height of twice the
section height plus the rim diameter or about 29".  A 235/75R16 should be
just under 30" tall.  This will give you slightly taller gearing but will
probably not be enough difference to create any major clearance problems.
(YMMV and other typical caveats apply)

Popular off-road tires, mostly in the larger 15" sizes, don't typically use
the metric size designations you're asking about.  The one that is fairly
close to the 235/75R16 is the 30x9.50x15.  The first dimension is the
overall diameter.

Note, however, that these overall diameters are "nominal" or measured across
the inflated tire, not from the ground up.  What actually determines the
tire's effect on overall gearing is called the static loaded rolling radius
(SLRR).  This is measured from the ground up to the center of the axle, for
a given air pressure and at a given vehicle load.  

For a given nominal overall diameter, say 30", the SLRR will be much less
for a radial at similar pressure than for a bias-ply tire.  Note also that
the dynamic radius of a radial is pretty constant over a range of speed
whereas a bias-ply tire stretches or increases effective diameter as speed
increases.  So not only do radials have a much greater static footprint
(especially a longer footprint) for a given tire size but also retain most
of it over the whole range of speed, whereas the bias tire will decrease its
footprint as speed increases--not particularly reasurring!  The constant
rolling radius means that radials also give more accurate speedometer and
odometer readings.

I mentioned earlier that the static rolling radius is measured for a given
air pressure and load.  As you air down, of course, the radius decreases and
the ground clearance decreases as well.  So you have a trade-off in the
advantages/disadvantages or airing down in some situations, such as rock
crawling.  One of the reasons for starting with the tallest tires you can
"comfortably" run (many factors to consider here).

Cheers,

Granville B. Pool, Redwood Valley, Alta California Norte, USA
<gpool@pacific.pacific.net> (707)485-7220 Home; (707)463-4265 Work
          In the midst of the word he was trying to say,
                In the midst of his laughter and glee,
            He had softly and suddenly vanished away--
                For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see.
                          --Lewis Carroll

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Subject: Re: New owner 
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:55:53 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199510181922.OAA26260@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote:
  
>        10.  I saw a discussion on carbs that implied that the Weber tends to
>             run hot because it runs leaner.  Is this something I should worry
>             about or is there something that can make it run cooler?

	Rejetting the carb should fix any problems with this.  Remember,
I live in the Desert and had problems in the summer.   People who live in the
colder climates haven't noticed this problem.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: RR Lean/Hella Lights

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995 JCassidyiv@aol.com wrote:

> A couple of new problems have surfaced with my '87 RR;
> 1.)  Body lean:  After a rigourous off-roading session this weekend, the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> left and right.  In the rear, the left side clearance measured 3.75 inches
> and the right about 3.0 inches.  

They all lean from the factory. The strange circumstance in your case is 
having the front even and the back leaning; not possible unless the 
chassis is twisted (highly unlikely) or the ground is uneven etc.
I've posted this suggestion a few times before, but what I did to mine 
was replace the rear springs with 2 new left rear ones (slightly longer 
than right hand ones) which evened it up quite a bit.

> 2.)  The vehicle has a set of Hella fog-lights installed by the PO.  The
> power is supplied via a relay and the wires to both lights run off the same
> single plug in the relay.  

Is it the same plug as in conector, or the same actual terminal? If the 
former the relay could still be the problem; if the latter there's just a 
bad connection somewhere between the relay and the inoperative light.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89 RR
 

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:58:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: James Kirkpatrick - INEN/F94 <jkirkpat@acs.ryerson.ca>
Subject: Re: Request for spare part/front panel assembly

w/PD2A==

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:33:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: 88 RR Gaiter Kit

Where do I find Pierce Reid?

...chris
88 RR

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From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:28:16 EST
Subject: Range Rover rear brake caliper

     I have a problem with my (new) 87 Range Rover. The rear brake calipers 
     were both in sorry shape so I decided to renew them both and put in a 
     new set of pads. I started the job at 9 o'clock last night and did the 
     rhs without a hitch.
     
     The left hand side caliper was slightly loose, I could grip it with my 
     hand and move it about 1/8 to a 1/4 of an inch, not a good sign and 
     probably the cause of the weird wear pattern of the pads. It was the 
     lower bolt that was loose and it came out with no problem. The upper 
     bolt was tight to get out throughout its entire travel and is 
     practically threadbare! I know I need a new bolt but I am concerned 
     that the thread in the mounting bracket which is part of the axle 
     casing is damaged. A cursory examination of the bracket showed that 
     there was still a thread there but it appeared damaged at the end. I 
     am wary about just trying a new bolt and am also concerned that if I 
     try to re tap the thread to clean the end up I might not mate up 
     properly with the undamaged thread. 
     
     Would I be better off removing the hub assembly and attacking the 
     thread from the opposite end? Is there any other advice?
     
     To top it all the EFI light has come on in my older 87 Range Rover!
     
     Thanks for any advice
     Mike
     87 RR (1)
     87 RR (2)

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 16:25:45 EST
From: "Wharton, Skip" <wharton@mail.scra.org>
Subject: LRO List Future

  
        I'd like to take a quick moment to thank Bill Caloccia for his work in 
        keeping this list up and running.  I have sat in on some other lists 
        that were, if nothing else, disjointed and a waste of my time, even 
        though I was interested in the list objective.
        
        This list has been clear, concise, and an absolute joy to be a part of.
        I feel like I have contacts all over the world, and it makes my day when 
        I can enjoy a cup of coffee in the morning and read messages from 
        Europe, Australia, South Africa, et al.  Even though I've never met 
        anyone on the list in person yet, I think of this as a world-wide family 
        that is witty, crotchety, somewhat daring, and a lot of fun.  I would 
        hate to see this list fall apart...
        
        I think we need to quickly coordinate a way to continue the list if Bill 
        is unsuccessful in Boston getting authorization to continue his efforts.
        
        I recommend a steering committee of 5 or 6 individuals who would go 
        off-line through e-mail and try to determine a solid course of action - 
        reporting through one individual each day to the net where we stand.
        
        While I am not the most technically inclined individual, I would 
        certainly be willing to work towards some solution to keep us all 
        together.  I've seen some pretty impressive titles and company names in 
        signatures - if you can help with server support it would be terrific.
        
        The first cat out of the bag, I would think, is what's involved?  Bill - 
        can you publish a detailed requirement list so some of us who don't know 
        a byte from an overbite can check with our own technical support teams 
        to see if our companies can help?
        
        Once we get the requirements determined we can ask for volunteer 
        coordinators to look into each possibility.
        
        I will do anything I can to help out - if I'm making too big a thing of 
        this & wasting too much space please just tell me to settle down.  But 
        if I wake up on October 28th and can't make contact with all of you I'll 
        feel pretty stupid and pretty sad.
        
        If you want to reach me off the list, my email address is 
        wharton@scra.org...  
        
        Warm regards,
        
        Skip Wharton
        From the Holy City of Charleston, SC, USA
        '72 Series IIa 88"

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 17:13:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: Second battery

A word of advice: put an isolator between the 2 batteries!  If you don't, 
if one battery dies (of old age, etc.), the other battery will drain into 
it, and the dead battery may get rather warm.  Canadian Tire sells 
battery isolators for RVs; I believe that these will do the job.  Cost: 
about Cdn$35.

...chris
88 RR

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 17:19:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: 88 RR Gaiter Kit

Where do I find Pierce Reid?

...chris
88 RR

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 17:45:42 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: CU ratings

CU may know blenders and vacuum cleaners, but I don't think they know beans 
about cars, especially one built to be driven off-road rather than to the 
mall.  It seems that durability would be of prime importance in any vehicle 
ranking, but that simple fact has escaped the technocrats at CU.  I've seen 
four previous Blazers disolve around a friend, while my Rover soldiers on. 
In recent advertising, the company that makes up the Chrysler "Neon" ads 
actually had the audacity (or stupidity) to state that some of the parts 
were coded for recycling!  Like, who would want a car designed to be 
recycled?  And CU thought that idea was good!  Get a clue, CU!
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 05:45:17 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: RR Lean/Hella Lights

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995 JCassidyiv@aol.com wrote:

> 2.)  The vehicle has a set of Hella fog-lights installed by the PO.  The
> power is supplied via a relay and the wires to both lights run off the same
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> securely connected.  I've expended my limited electrical ability and would
> really like to have both lamps lit.  Any help would be appreciated!

Try checking the earth connection on the faulty light. This is usually 
supplied through the casing or the mounting bracket.

BTW thanks for all the concern about the weather here, we are not 
suffering from an onslaught of tornados (although I am engaged in a case 
study on one that came through here during cyclone Bobby in Feb which 
provided the inspiration).

Cheers.

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 05:48:38 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: Nashua, N.H. (unrelated to list)

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995 jcfltee@CAM.ORG wrote:

> I'll be heading out to Nashua, N.H. with my wife for a convention and would
> like to know the 5-day forecast in this region. I also would like to know if

There are many weather related pages on the www, particularly in the US. 
It is possible to find forecasts and current conditions for just about 
anywhere.

Cheers.

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From: Malcolm956@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 17:56:47 -0400
Subject: Hummers in the Boston Globe

>From the front page story in today's Boston Globe: "It's no stick-in-the-mud"
and the sub-headline is "Hummer is hottest toy for adventurous drivers".

A few excerpts  
  "When George McCormick buried his John Deere tractor up to its axle in mud
on one of the fiekds that suround his hilltop farm here, he trudged to the
house, fired up one of the two fanily cars and drove it down into the hip
deep ooze.

  "To pull the tractor out he had chosen his red 1993 Hummer, not the spanking
 new purple one he calls 'My Sunday go to meeting Hummer.'"

  "The [Hummer] is an aluminum behemoth with 37 inch tires, 18 inches of
ground clearance and a 72 inch track width that can run through three feet of
water, climb a 22 inch wall and plow through drifts of snow many feet deep."
 

  "The Hummer is not cheap.  Prices range from around $45,000 to more than
$70,000, beginning with what is essentially a two seat pick up truck up to a
full cab four seater that looks much like a squat Land Rover."  

  "Engines can be gas powered - getting 8 to 10 miles per gallon or diesel
powered, which get 12 to 14 miles per gallon"  

  "I know it's a big investment," George said, "But I expect to have these
vehicles for the rest of my life.  The military demands that they get 12
years out of these things and they don't treat them lightly.  This should
last the average civilian a lifetime"  

Mi gawd!  A lifetime of 8 miles to the gallon!  The Hummer, John Deere and
Land Rover were the only vehicles mentioned.  

Cheers

Malcolm

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:40:45 -0700
From: jory@MIT.EDU (jory bell)
Subject: Re: CU ratings

:In recent advertising, the company that makes up the Chrysler "Neon" ads
:actually had the audacity (or stupidity) to state that some of the parts
:were coded for recycling!  Like, who would want a car designed to be
:recycled?  And CU thought that idea was good!  Get a clue, CU!

I would like to own a car designed to be recyclable. Hmmm, like maybe
something with aluminum body panels which unbolt from a steel frame, etc.
The composite materials used in "modern" manufacturing are impossible to
separate and reuse. Nothing lasts forever (even though I expect to have my
rover for decades to come).

-jory

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 17:45:28 -0700
From: cynrice@teleport.com (jon landry)
Subject: Still looking for a Land Rover

        I guess I shoulda given more specific details about
the type of ride I'm looking for...

        An older Wagon(4dr) or long (2dr)...preferably with
a hard-top. I don't really need it to be in the best shape,
but I won't buy a rusted heap. 109's are the preferred mode,
I guess...I would like to be able to drive it home, as I have no
other way to bring it home at the moment. So, this brings me
to my reason for looking locally. If I have to, I will check out 
Landies from further away.

        By the way, what does one expect to pay for a decent
109 project? (On the drive, not too bad shape,little rust)

        Thanks for the replies, and help...
        looking forward to hearing from ya's...

    Jon Landry
    Defender of Freedom
    cynrice@teleport.com
    Step on my toes...and I'll cut yours off!!!
    

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 17:45:30 -0700
From: Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand)
Subject: Re: Tire and wheel and brake tech questions.

> From LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com  Wed Oct 18 17:30:25 1995
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> Any good Discovery Techies out there listening? I have several questions.
> 1. Can the traction control system of a Range Rover be fitted to a Discovery?

I asked this question to a service rep at Land-Rover Mission Viejo.
He told me that it would involved some serious hacking and slashing of the
computer to mate up the Range Rover ABS controls to the Discovery computer.
He did not go into details. He said putting on air-lockers would be way
cheaper. He installed rear air-lockers on a Discovery a year or so ago (pretty
impresive for a dealer).

> 2. I want to mount up a set of off-road tires on steel rims do any of the
> aftermarket companies in England make a steel wheel to fit the Discovery? Must
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> that the spare comes mounted on. Aftermarket sources here just blink funny when
> you tell them what you want.)

What does British Pacific say ?

       British Pacific Ltd.        Ph.  800-554-4133 Orders
       3317 Burton Avenue          Ph.  818-841-8945
       Burbank, CA 91504           Fax  818-841-3825

> 3. Will 15" wheels fit the Discovery or are 16" necessary to clear brakes? (Much
> better selection of tires for 15" rims.)
> have proper offsets, etc. (Dealer wants an obscene ammount for the steel wheel

Don't know.

> 4. Has anyone fitted a Discovery with 31"x10.5"-15" or 245/75-16" tires? Do they
> clear or do they rub?
> have proper offsets, etc. (Dealer wants an obscene ammount for the steel wheel

One of the sales-droids at the local dealer told me that the D(0 tires 235/75-16's
will hit the wheel well if you bottom out the suspension. I'd be interested to hear
the "true untold story" about this myself.

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:47:24 -0400
From: STEVE COX <Steve_Cox@Delphi.Com>
Subject: List Future

>Subject: Re: Mailing list future <NOT NOISE> 
>From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

>> Have we considered becomming a news group?  We certainly have enough
>> members if I recall the requirements correctly and the Williams 
>> report of 700+ addresses is correct.

>  Personally, I'd rather not.  Every newsgroup that I read (some 50 to

DITTO - I really like the tone of conversation on this list.
The newsgroups seem less like a community - The LRO is a great place
to settle down and raise kids.

Steve Cox
two Jetta's and a *real* need for a Late IIA or III SWB
>.

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:41:33 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Crankin' shackles

Duncan Brown is of the opinion that "...you crank those mothers down..." in 
reference to shackle pins.  DON'T DO IT, DUNCAN.  That's the quickest way to 
kill springs.  If the shackle pins are fixed to the shackle plates/springs/ 
frame bushings, they cannot flex.  In essence, the springs are being held in 
a pre-loaded position and destined to fail (i.e., go flat) in short order.

There should be the width of a screwdriver blade - say, 1/32 to 1/16" - 
between the bushing tube and whatever shackle plate.  This ensures that the 
whole shebang can articulate as designed.  The shackle plate with the 
machined threads is the *primary* fixing.  The nylock nuts are only there as 
a safety.  Torque the nuts down, but *not* the plates.

On a chillier note, Chris Haslam asks about block heaters. Phillips/Budd 
(the truck/trailer people) make one...but the part number is on the office 
computer and I'm at home right now.  Virtually manufacturer's unit will fit 
- you need one with 1" NPT threads and about 400 watts for the four banger. 
The *only* way to fit it is to remove the exhaust manifold to get to the 
fitting on the rear of the 2.25.  *Do not* use ones that fit into the freeze 
plug holes.  Rather, use the pipe thread fitting and seal the threads with 
teflon tape.

Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
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From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 22:49:55 -0400
Subject: GPS's

I recently responded to an advert. by Eagle Electronics, maker of the Eagle
AccuNav Sport GPS.  If you call 1-800-324-4763, ext. 101, they'll send you a
packet of information about GPS and also a chart which compares the features
and technical specs of the Magellan series, the Garmin, and the AccuNav.  I
am in no way affiliated with this company, but the specs look great.
Cheers!  John Cassidy, Bangor, Maine 

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From: vogel@shrsys.hslc.org
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 23:03:03 EST
Subject: British Newspaper Stories

TRANSPLANT?
  The Daily Mail (Oct. 12) reports that Bernd Pischetsrieder of BMW told a 
Cambridge meeting that Land Rovers might soon be built abroad; quality and 
reputation being more important than building site.  It was NOT reported that
he had been in touch with Taylor at Clemson.
NEW BOOK
  The Guardian (Oct. 14) reviewed John House's book, Land Rover  My Love
(Janus, #12.95).  Covers humorous adventures in East and Central Africa in the
1950s and 1960s with the Land Rover as star
CELEBRITY?
  The Daily Mail (also Oct.12) uncovers a new Land Rover celebrity owner, LeslieKenton, daughter of Stan, beauty editor of Harper & Queen, and New Age author.
She met her current special friend, a mechanic, when the temperature gauge of
her Land Rover needed repair.  You never find stories like this in the 
Philadelphia Inquirer.  Of course, the Inquirer's concept of interesting 
transportation goes no farther than a SEPTA bus.

Tom Vogel
1972 SIII 88" SW
1994 Caterham 7

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From: jgoldman@acs.bu.edu
Subject: Coil Sprung Chassis...
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 23:16:16 -0400 (EDT)

	Jeff (aka Taylor) is back for more abuse, but not without having done
a bit of homework in the interim. Yes, I'm still searching for a rover. I've
even driven a couple <gasp>, and I still want one...

	As I sit here, I revel in the wonderous possibities that exist for
Series owners. The trucks are so damn simple, that nearly anything can be done
to them. Which is why I want to lapse into another bout of insanity and wonder
if anyone has any information or experience with coil sprung Series
conversions. Specifically, has anyone seen, used, touched, heard of, or
witnessed the Arrow Services coil sprung chassis? Similarly, has anyone ever
dealt with East Coast Rovers, and their conversions?

	Humour me, if you will for a moment, but if one were so
inclined... How realistic is purchasing a good runner with a crappy frame (as
I'm finding most frames are in New England), and transfering everything to a
new galvanized frame? Which all assumes, of course, a degree of torture, but
ultimately coupled with a great sense of accomplishment and reward. The coil
sprung chassis may or may not provide as much value as a standard leaf sprung
chassis, but depending on use (or just plain state-of-mind) may be a better
solution. That is all assuming the coil sprung chassis is a legitimate
solution. Is it?

	Anyone??

							Jeff-->

E-Mail: jgoldman@acs.bu.edu

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: disco wheels
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:22:00 +0930 (CST)

> aftermarket companies in England make a steel wheel to fit the Discovery?
> Must  have proper offsets, etc. (Dealer wants an obscene ammount for the
> steel wheel that the spare comes mounted on.

> 5. Is "oz" Austrailia? 

Well here in Oz-tralia mate :-), there are lots of as new disco 7x16 steels
for sale around $50-60 AuD.. I suspect the freight cost would be the
killer..Probably cheaper ex UK...

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: 19 Oct 95 00:34:41 EDT
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: Block Heater for 2.25

Sandy Grice wrote on 10/19:

 >>  - you need one with 1" NPT threads and about 400 watts for the four
banger. The *only* way to fit it is to remove the
 exhaust manifold to get to the fitting on the rear of the 2.25.  *Do not* use
ones that fit into the freeze plug holes.
 Rather, use the pipe thread fitting and seal the threads with teflon tape. <<

 I agree with Sandy, but if you thought removing spring bushings was fun, you
haven't seen anything yet!

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    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|
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   |     | ####### |     |      1990 RangeRover
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Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 19-Oct-1995

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From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:39:34 -0400
Subject: RR Lean

On 10/18/95, John Brabyn replied to my leaning Rover question  with the
following;
>They all lean from the factory. The strange circumstance in >your case is
having the front even and the back leaning; not >possible unless the chassis
is twisted (highly unlikely) or the >ground is uneven etc

I happened to be speaking with Laney at Rover's North and he said my right
spring was probably shot.  He says they find they have to replace the RR
springs at about 100,000 miles-mine has just turned 90,000 miles.  He quoted
me prices of about $145.00 for one rear spring and about $120.00 for the
other.  He said they've had good luck with the Old Man Emu springs at @ $70
each, but he says they raise the vehicle about 30mm.

I'm going north to hunt the venerable and noble Timberdoodle and will lean
all the way-I'll post when I get back and get the truck in the shop for it's
regular service.  Laney suggested that I might just want to switch the left
and right rear springs.
Cheers!   John

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From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Newbie L-R alert ....
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 18:58:03 -0700

Look forward to useful info on this list - I hope Discovery's are not shunned
by this list: I do admit that A/C, 8-speaker stereo and curves in the bodywork 
are
not exactly traditional L-R traits but I think there's a real Landie lurking
underneath somewhere (I *did* get the stick-shift and it has synchromesh
on *all* of its gears - wow!).

As a fellow Disco owner, I can vouch for the gracious acceptance of the neuveau 
LR owners. And rest assured, there is indeed a REAL Land Rover lurking beneath 
that curvacious body. One look underneath another SUV will convince you that 
the Disco is in a class by itself.

    _____
   /___|_\___     Bob Watson <a-robw@microsoft.com>
  |   |   |  \                  6405 235th Place SW
  |---|___|___\____     Mountlake Terrace, WA 98043
  |  _|   |   | _  }\
 {|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/

_/

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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 01:48:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Henry B. Wilson)
Subject: '95 D90 HT

Well, I couldn't take it any longer and put a deposit on the D90 HT.  Does
anyone want a '94 Disco (white) with 20K miles and a five-speed?  Any idea
what it's worth?

Henry B. Wilson             http://vumclib.mc.vanderbilt.edu/~wilsonhb

           '59 AHY 100-6                    '94 Disco
                              
      "The Healey's clean; the Rover's filthy.  Life is perfect."

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 22:51:00 +0100
From: Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl>
Subject: GPS

In my experience GPS is not very useful for driving or walking when you 
have to keep to the road (however we all have the choice of going off 
road...).

Walking is apparently too slow for the GPS to give an accurate heading, you 
would need a compass (admittedly low tech) for that.
And for both walking and regular driving it is difficult to follow straight 
line directions from the GPS if the road goes in a different direction than 
where the GPS points you.

However for flying (I hope you don't mind me having another hobby beside my 
Lightweight) NOTHING beats GPS. Of course in the air there is usually no 
trouble with going in a straight line and if the visibility is good you 
don't need pinpoint accuracy.

Just my two cents worth of GPS experience....

Daniel

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 22:39:00 +0100
From: Daniel Polak <daniel@sys.nl>
Subject: Mailing list future <NOT NOISE>

I rather like having the Digest delivered to my desktop through e-mail. 
With a news group I'd have to dial up my service provider, start the news 
reader and click each message that seems interesting and saving things 
would also be more complicated.
Maybe I need a better news reader, but e-mail seems much more convenient 
than a news group!

Daniel

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