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Subject: LRO Lists Futures ????  << READ THIS MAIL ! >>
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 07:22:42 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Hi Folks,

	I'll be leaving my present employer as of next Friday (27 October),
and will subsequently re-locating to the Boston area.  From that date forward
I can be reached at 'caloccia@senie.com' (aka. site of my web pages), though
I'll be on the road and will most likely be cut off from net for the
following two weeks, until I get to my new postion in Cambridge.

	As you may know the LRO lists have been operating on equipment
and network facilities of my present employer for these last five and
one-half years (since the list started in May of 1990), and aside from
a bit of time, have not incurred any operating costs, to either you or I.

	I don't expect the plug to be pulled immediately, but I am seeking 
new host for the LRO lists, as I don't know how long the present server will
be left to run once I leave.

	Though regular administrivia can be done remotely, once something
breaks, I expect it will remain so.  I won't know until I get there
if my new employer would be willing to host the list.

	At this point our Autox.Team.Net relatives are having problems related
to severe load on their mail server, and took measures such as forcing all the
large lists to be digest-only mode, so it would be impractical to even suggest
that machine pick up another 700 mail users.

	Though I don't consider the situation to be 'dire' at this point, I
am unable to promise the continued operation of the list from 27 October,
until a another host is secured.

    Cheers,
	--bill	caloccia@senie.com  http://www.senie.com/billc/

    R 1  3  dl OD  L           "Land Rover's first, because
    +-|--|  o  |   |            Land Rovers last."
      2  4  ul N   H            '63 SIIa 88"  - '72 Range Rover

PS	Anybody have an 'in' at Rover UK or LRNA that might be able to 
convince them an uncensored channel of communications between Defender,
Discover and Range Rover owners/enthusiasts is a worthy investment ? 

Or how about Land Rover Parts ? (don't forget to mention all those
Series anoraks out there...)

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Date: 17 Oct 95 05:07:08 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re:  Lug nuts!

> the Ford and Jeep. The brilliance of the campaign sets in when you realize
> that you can take virtually any system or component from the Disco (or any
> other Land Rover) and demonstrate similar comparisons/constrasts!

True; even more impressive than the lugnuts would be comparing a Defender's
front radius arms. Skip the SUVs and start looking on semis for components
of similiar strength...        (YNMV - your nuts may vary)

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From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>
Subject: Timing Belts
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 12:44:11 BST

Dear all, I have had the belt in my tdi changed and got stuck with a huge bill,
and then was told by one of my collegues in the owners club that he does his
own every 30,000 miles and only cost him abour 50quid and the time (he is a 
mechanic though). however he has just fitted the zeus timing thingy with the
wheels rather than the belt on a 90 tdi, and he said that it has made the 
engine much better to work on at services because all timing et al is always 
spot on, considering the bill i had and how much it costs to have this done on
a 200tdi i think i will get it done either to my present one or the next
(don't ask its all to do with the wife and moving).

the only problem is i don't think they have sorted it for the 300 tdi yet.

i am no mechanic, but i trust this guy (anyone who dismantles my carb in 3.5
foot of water and gets me running again has got to know his beans) and he will
fit it to his disco as soon as the insurers couygh up.

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From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>
Subject: track / steering rods.
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 13:04:58 BST

in the last couple of issues of Land rover Owner Intl and / or land rover world
someone had put tubing around either their track / or steering rods, if i can
find the issue number i will let you know. it was to stop them getting bent 
off road, and now it just rolls over the obstruction.

i am no expert just passing it on.

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:18:38 -0400
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: re: GPS FAQ

Michael was looking for a FAQ on GPS.  Don't know of an electronic version,
but the BSROA newsletter has been running a multi-part series on GPS (4 or
5 parts).  I think it is written by Jim Pappas as he has a GPS equipped
D110.  Jim reads this list and is BSROA president, so perhaps you should
contact him.  I hear he doesn't bite.   ;-)
-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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From: ross@secant.com (Ross Leidy)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 08:40:32 0500

unsubscribe land-rover-owner ross@secant.com
end

______________________________________________________________________
 Ross Leidy  (ross@secant.com)
 Senior Software Engineer
 Secant Technologies, Inc.

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: The Elephant and the mouse
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 08:55:00 DST

Great story, but now my wife wants to know why I need the Landie

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Date:  Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:51:00 -0400 
From: "christian (c.j.) szpilfogel" <chrisz@bnr.ca>
Subject:  re:Discovery gearbox 

Do you mean the Manual as opposed to the Auto?

Also has anyone noticed that the digest has been a little short these
days? The index claims 61 articles for 951017's digest but mine ends
abruptly at article 26 and then has the last ~10 lines of the standard
trailer by Majordomo.

Cheers,

  -Christian
   '95 Discovery

>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 17:59:53 +0100
>From: mfarrall@well.ox.ac.uk (Martin Farrall)
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 13 lines)]
>details, it was not clear whether the fault was on only new model
>gearboxes or whatever.
>Martin Farrall
           

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From: ross@secant.com (Ross Leidy)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:03:39 0500
Subject: Re: Land Rover is Film

In <199510170211.VAA21712@butler.uk.stratus.com>, on 10/17/95 at 11:38 AM,
   Tiffany Downing <tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au> said:

 >I watched the Hunt for Red October on television last night and the main
 >character Jack Ryan (played by Alec Baldwin) was driven to the airport in a
 >Dark Blue Range Rover.  Another one for the list!

 >Happy Rovering!

 >Tiffany Downing

Sure, the Rover was great, but personally I was more interested in the
driver (Gates MacFadden).  ;-)

______________________________________________________________________
 Ross Leidy  (ross@secant.com)
 Senior Software Engineer
 Secant Technologies, Inc.

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 09:15:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Re: Bushings and things

> Don't overtorque the hanger against the bush when refitting.  I guess
> torqueing the nut down tight is ok, but you don't want the hangers
> to bind against the bush.

    I may be all wet (and sometimes am, when it rains...canvas top you
    know...but I digress...) but I thought the whole point was to have
    the hangers (both the frame ones and the shackle plates) bind
    against the center tube of the bush.  You not only want the hangers
    to bind against the bush, you want them to become as one!  (That's
    why the center tube sticks out more than the outer one.)

    Once you've done that, then you not only get the rubber vibration
    isolation of the bush, you also get its torsional resistance
    characteristics.  That's why it's important to loosely assemble
    everything and only tighten it all up once it's settled back down on
    the ground.  (Otherwise you might tighten it up in the air and
    immediately rip it or at least stress it way to one side at rest on
    the ground.)

    To do as you say is going to allow the bolt to rattle up and down
    inside the center bush tube, which will oblong it in no time. 
    You'll also get wear on the inside surfaces of the shackles (which
    you can replace) and the frame hangers (which are not so easy to
    replace!) and lateral motion of the spring ends when turning.

    Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the proper
    advice is CRANK THOSE MOTHERS DOWN!!!!

    Duncan

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 07:23:23 -0600 (MDT)
From: Rob Bailey <baileyr@cuug.ab.ca>
Subject: Vertical winching (The Gods must be...)

>>I recall my favorite scene in "The gods must be crazy" where the fellow
>>winched his rover up a tree accidently.
>>Could I do that?  :-)

>You know, I was always wondering whether anyone ever tried to copy that
>stunt... :-))
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>brake fluid and such dribbling about if you would leave your car hanging
>vertically for any length of time. (YFMV - your fluids may vary)

I saw the movie quite recently, and if you look closely, the LR has been 
modified quite a bit. I figure it is just a shell mock up of the LR. It 
has no diffs and the underside of the vehicle is very flat and 
non-descript. I was watching it on a Laser Disc, so the picture was very 
clear, and I watched that scene over a couple of times to be sure. It's 
really too bad, but I bet it was alot easier than actually winching it up 
into the tree.

Rob

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From: "GAWIE VAN BLERK" <A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za>
Date:          Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:40:23 GMT+200
Subject:       GPS, National Geographic, Roof Racks?

Hi all,

Just a quick word on GPS's to start off, then a must see film 
appearance. As a daily user of these wonders of modern technology 
I would like to offer the following input on the current 
discussion on GPS's.

1) GPS's navigate in straight lines.
2) GPS's are seldom more than 100m/300ft accurate
3) On altitude 100m makes a big difference.
4) Look at the new models like Garmin GPS40/45/75, the moving map 
display is real handy.
5) You can always do with more waypoints to store. (You are always 
go to new places and return to old ones)
7) Routes can be handy but are not essential.
8) They work under trees and clouds, but do not like being near rocks 
or on the side of mountains high buildings. (Some satelites might be hidden)
9) They are not compasses and cannot indicate direction unless you 
are moving.
10)Make sure the model you are looking at is completely waterproof. 
11)If you rely on it, make sure you have some form of backup(compass/map 
two way radio etc).
12) Look at the update rate. In city trafic an update of 1/sec means 
you will miss turn.

On Saturday I watched the National Geographic film "Serengeti Diary" 
- Lots of Land Rovers. It starts off with someting like "... it is 
six hours drive by Land Rover from..." goes on showing many models 
used in Tanzania and even shows a Zebra being caught by the tail 
using a Land Rover. Most libraries should be able to obtain a copy.

Then one last question.... :"How much load can a Land Rover REALY 
take on the roof????

Greetings

Gawie and the Little Green Dragon.(Converted to a Pick Up for the 
time being) 
Gawie van Blerk
---------------------------------------------------------------
Internet : A48462@bfnnfs01.eskom.co.za (work)
         : gawie@pixie.co.za (home)
URL      : http://www.pix.za/0/business/bloemfontein/gawie.html
Tel      : 27+51+404-2421
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Subject: Chopped List Summary-only received  Nbr 1-27
From: skidmore@mail02.mitre.org (William E. Skidmore)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 10:03:48 -0400

help

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 07:07:16 -0700
From: Ted VanDecar <vandecar@washington.nwlink.com>

Cc: 
Subject:  

Are there any conversions to limited slip differentials for a 
D90?  Front, rear axle?
I am not enamored with the Locker option.

Warm regards,

Ted Van Decar          '94 D90

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From: ScottFugate_Group8@ctdvns1.ctd.ornl.gov
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 10:59:58 EDT
Subject: Rochester Carb Idle Adjustment

Gang,

I've got a IIA 88 that is getting hideous gas mileage -  9-10 mpg (on a good 
day).  I know my Rochester Carb is thirsty, but I know I can do better than 
this.  Actually, I HAVE done better.  It seems that my last "tune-up"  really 
was a "screw-up" in that mileage got much worse.  All the other adjustments 
have discreet adjustment points which I have no problem meeting (dwell, 
timing, valve clearance, etc.), but carb rich/lean adjustment is done by 
"ear", and it seems I'm tone deaf.  Can the collective wisdom of the list help 
here? There ain't no gas stations where I deer hunt, and I really don't want 
to carry extra in a can.  Help me it get back right, and I'll leave well 
enough alone -  promise.

By the way, I rebuilt the carb about eighteen months ago, the head about a 
year ago, and have compression of around 150 in all cylinders, (within 5 psi) 
and the thing runs just fine.  At highway speeds the fuel gauge goes into a 
free fall, though.  Save the comments about getting a Weber, Zenith, Solex, 
etc, please.  Budget says I have to make the best with what I've got.  Carb's 
rich, I'm not.

Thanks in advance,

Scott Fugate
1970 IIA 88
1989 RR

BT

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:32:41 +0100
From: "S.W.Brierley" <S.W.Brierley@dl.ac.uk>
Subject: Recon LR Ser III G/Box. Opinions?

Hi LRO's

I was wondering if any UK LRO's had any experience of reconditioned gearboxes, I mean properly reconditioned, not just cleaned and oiled versions.
My Ser III (EMMA) Sports a V8 and has over the years taken its toll on the already welll used gearbox, so i would like to replace the unit with a reconditioned unit from a reputable dealer/garage. I have already consulted a dealer (whose n
me is a part of the lower body hint hint)who quoted me a reasonable price, I was just wondering if any of you guys/girls (equal rights) had had any dealings with this matter and would like to recommend or otherwise certain companies. Plus,
whAt are the boxes like after a recon, do they last well?????
I understand that the usual guarantees go out of the window because I have a non standard engine but that seems fair comment to me, I also intend to fit the unit myself (fingers crossed).
So any help/advice/info would be very much appreciated.
thanks in advance ....Stu.

Try to mail me direct as i don't always have the time to read the digest.

swb@xserv1.dl.ac.uk

Proud owner of '76 SWB Ser III V8.
It aint reliable but hell its got character.

"Hey mister, why is it called Emma???"
"coz, son, its short for Haemhorroid, thats coz its a pain in the ass!!"

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Date: 17 Oct 1995 11:15:05 -0500
From: "Sean McInerney" <smcinerney@mail.nrgn.com>
Subject: Left out.

 Left out.
HEY!

HOW COME I RECIEVED ONLY 26 OF 61 SUBMISSIONS TO THE LRO DIGEST FOR OCT. 17?

Sean C. McInerney

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 12:11:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Rochester carb adjustment: pry from manifold, hurl in trash

Scott,

> I've got a IIA 88 that is getting hideous gas mileage -  9-10 mpg (on a good 
> day).  I know my Rochester Carb is thirsty, but I know I can do better than 
> this.  Actually, I HAVE done better.  It seems that my last "tune-up"  really 
> was a "screw-up" in that mileage got much worse.  All the other adjustments 

    My 88 came with a Rochester originally.  I'm sorry, I simply can't
    believe any *design* was ever involved in that conversion. 
    Somebody found a carb that would bolt up to the Rover manifold and
    sold it as a conversion kit.  The dang thing just isn't right for
    the engine.  I spent a lot of time playing with mine and could never
    get the peformance or the mileage I wanted.

    I swapped to a 1 barrel Weber, which was much better performance and
    decent mileage.  I now have a Zenith, which gives me great
    performance and great mileage (though those could also be due to the
    new Turner engine bolted to the Zenith, heh heh...)

> and the thing runs just fine.  At highway speeds the fuel gauge goes into a 
> free fall, though.  Save the comments about getting a Weber, Zenith, Solex, 
> etc, please.  Budget says I have to make the best with what I've got.  Carb's 
> rich, I'm not.

    Sorry, you must listen to reason.  Let's use conservative numbers. 
    In 4000 miles, you are using about 400 gallons of gas.  Call that
    $400.  If you even only got 15mpg, you'd use only 267 gallons of gas
    in those 4000 miles.  Call that $267, and there's a $133 savings
    right there.  Surely you can come up with a used Zenith carb and a
    rebuild kit for less than that!  (and using a more realistic price
    for gas, and a more realistic estimate of the mileage increase, will
    only make the payback happen quicker!)

    Ditch the Rochester.  If not for yourself, for the environment and
    the worldwide oil supply!!!

    Duncan

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 11:24:00 EDT
From: trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu (Tom Rowe)
Subject: Re: GPS

On Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:40:23 GMT+200 Gawie van Blerk wrote:

>Just a quick word on GPS's to start off, then a must see film 
>appearance. As a daily user of these wonders of modern technology 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>1) GPS's navigate in straight lines.
>2) GPS's are seldom more than 100m/300ft accurate
Snip
I read recently that permanant ground based reference points are being
set up for the satelites. Supposedly this will enable them to
constantly check their own postions and inform your GPS receiver where
it is to an accuracy within a few feet.
You'll be able to use your GPS to tell you if you are in your living
room or garage (since I know for some of us with the preponderance of
LR parts, it's often hard to tell)

Tom Rowe
UW Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI 53706	| Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
wk 608-265-6194	| in places even more inaccessible
hm 608-243-8660

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 09:32:41 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: Evolution of ascii art.

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: Evolution of ascii art.
   >> jfhess@ucdavis.edu writes:
   >>
   >> #=======#
   >> |__|__|__\___
   >> | _|  |  | _ |     (stolen from David Brown)
   >> "(_)""""""(_)"

To which I really must confess, and give credit to Simon Gair, from whom I
stold this:  u91f02@uk.ac.manadon

   #=====#
   |___|__\___
   |   |  |   |
   "'O'""""'O'"

And after a short while, while inquiring about larger tyres for the 88 IIa,
a fellow "netter" came up with something similar to my current 88 shown
above, and I added the rino bar too.

Then, I "stretched" it a bit to make a 109. (That's the way LR did it isn't
it?) (Remember the "Popeet LR stretcher"?) ;)

The RR came from Brian Tiedemann (S914440@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au) who had:
  ______
 / /  | \___
 \_ - __ - _:
   {*}  {*}

And I again stretched it and added rear doors and rino bar.

Similarly with the Disco, which came from Peter C. Parsons. (no e-mail
address known.)

So, Thanks to all who have helped to contribute to my LR ascii collection!
(I have many more that have been posted over the past 18 months or so that
I've been "here".)

 #=====#         #========#          -------,___           ________
 |___|__\___     |___|__|__\___      |--' |  |  \_|_      /__/__|__\___
 | _ |   |_ |}   | _ |  |   |_ |}    |  _ |--+--|_  |     \_/-\_|__/-\_|}
 "(_)""""(_)"    "(_)"""""""(_)"    ||_/_\___|__/_\_|}      (_)    (_)
                                       (_)      (_)
 1971 "88" IIa   1970 "109" IIa     1994 Discovery (Sold) '87 Range Rover
 LIC: LION B8    Historic plates     (Too hard to "draw")  rear Lock-Right

P.S. How about a "109" stretch limo? Would it no longer be a 109???

#===============#
|___|__|______|__\___
| _ |  |      |   |_ |}
"(_)""""""""""""""(_)"

P.P.S. The "beauty" of this ascii art can only be appreciated when you
know the IBM mainframe system it was created on!!

Dave (ascii) Brown

#=======#          ________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___     /__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}   \_/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 12:59:25 -0500
From: Sanjay Prasad <Prasad@ba-iplaw.com>
Subject:  Heat from Muffler

I have a 1990 Range Rover which has a hot spot on the floor by the back
seat right behind the center console.  This spot appears to be directly
above the muffler.  My first thought was that there is a hole in the
muffler, but if this is the case then I would think that the exhaust would
sound much noisier than it is.  Does anyone know if this is a normal
occurrence, or is it something that I should have checked out?

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:01:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Slade <slade@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: Evolution of ascii art.

OK Dave, 

Do you do consignment art?  I was looking for a Dormobile and a Carawagon 
ASCII piece of art.

Will trade for?????

slade@teleport.COM  Public Access User -- Not affiliated with Teleport
Public Access UNIX and Internet at (503) 220-1016 (2400-28800, N81)

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 13:12:30 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Young's Springs

          The correct number for Young's Springs is
          (802)773-7237. I called and Bob was out for lunch.
          Waiting to hear back.
          Cheers

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:36:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Haslam <haslam@alcor.concordia.ca>
Subject: 88 RR (3.5l) Block heater

RN want $80 U.S. for a "real" LR block heater.  Can anyone tell me an 
after-market source, i.e. manufacturer and part number?

...chris

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: GPS Accuracy
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 10:38:45 PDT

GPS Notes,

For the person asking about GPS accuracy. Currently the goverment purposely
lowers the accuracy of civilian GPS systems, there is a fancy name for this
called "selective something..." The GPS system has the full capability to
accurately take your 2000 miles and put you on a dime, but the goverment
(Military) is worried that people will use this to land a missle in the front
yard of your house, so they basically take away the altitute accuracy of the
GPS.

Because GPS is the best thing since sliced bread for airplane navigation,
they are going to add ground based units to send out a radio singnal (not
as high frequency as the GPS) to compensate for the lack of accuracy, it
will then be able to take an airplane right down to the runway (even in
thick fog). Because these units will be based near airports, the range will
probably make it useless for using a GPS off-road in the wilderness, you will
still have the accuracy problem. But in the end, the accuracy of GPSes is so
good, even with the error, that is really doesn't matter. I have used mine
to go hiking and off-road many times and it has always taken me back to 
base camp + or -100 feet or so. If I am still lost after being 100 feet 
from camp I must be dead already anyway.

Also, someone noted that GPSes are not compass(es) unless you move. This
is true, but I have used my GPS as a very accurate compass off-road. As
long as you are moving more that 2 miles per hour (very slow walking always
worked for mine) it will show your compass heading, also my Magellen GPS
will show compass corrected for magnetic variation, or not, so it is very
accurate.

Have fun tracking....

Leland Roys
roys@cup.hp.com
Cupertino, CA
1994 Defender-90 (Red)

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Subject: beached land rover (Daily Telegraph, p 3, 17 Oct 1995)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 13:44:21 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

It seems that one of the television crew for the British comedy duo of
Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders parked a bit below high tide while
filming a spoof segment on Baywatch while on Location at Burnham-on-Sea.

Rob Hopkins of Weston Recovery Service yanked it out with a '42 tank 
recovery vehicle is quoted stating:

	"I think most of the crew are from London and they don't know the 
	 ways of the sea.  It is an easy mistake to make -- but it has
	 given the local a real laugh."

Caption on the photo is "Jennifer Saunders looks on as the Land Rover
disappears beneath the waves", while this 110" Station Wagon has got swells
breaking over the bonnet, and the rear cross-member under water.

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 13:10:24 EDT
From: trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu (Tom Rowe)
Subject: Re: 88 RR (3.5l) Block heater

On Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Chris wrote:

>RN want $80 U.S. for a "real" LR block heater.  Can anyone tell me an 
>after-market source, i.e. manufacturer and part number?

Don't know the part number, but Zero Start (or Stat?) in Canada makes
all kinds of engine heaters.
The LR shop manual gives the dimenson of the freeze plug opening. Get
that and give an auot parts dealer a call to find one that carries the
above brand. A truck (as in semi) parts house would be a likely
source.
If you don't have any luck, let me know, I can see if I can find my
ZeroStart catalog.

Tom Rowe
UW Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI 53706	| Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
wk 608-265-6194	| in places even more inaccessible
hm 608-243-8660

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 14:20:00 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Re[2]: Young's Springs

 Let Bob know you heard about Young's Springs on the Internet :)

 He already did! Poor guy's been swamped with calls from
          starving Land-Rover owners who want a PAIR of
          springs for 130 dollars. That's what the first
          posting said anyway, but I noticed this week's was
          corrected to say 130 each. Apparently their
          springs are made up of thicker leaves but less of
          them, and the result is a stiffer spring with a
          firmer ride and the same travel, but it takes more
          weight to make it move so you end up losing a bit
          of articulation. (I guess you could carry your old
          springs in the back to add that extra weight) By
          the way they DO NOT REQUIRE OILING. Bob says that
          himself and I've heard that oiling springs can
          make them too loose which causes them to move too
          fast and eventually break. Bob says they made
          these springs by the dozens in the early
          seventies. Anyone want to give 'em a try?
          Cheers
          Dave

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 14:21:50 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: Heaters heaters heaters

          Greetings.
          Just a little tidbit here:
          Mike Hoskins of Missouri(pronounced "misery")
          has asked me to post the following info:
          For his Series III, Mike uses a 'Red Dot' heater,
          #R-255, which is normally used in big rigs like
          PEterbilt and Freightliner. Mike says that the
          heater "doesn't just work well, doesn't work good,
          it works outstandingly well" and he can 'blow his
          wife out of the truck with it". Sounds pretty
          convincing, and he claims it works better than the
          Mansfield from Rovers North.
          Red Dot can be reached at (206)575-3840, in
          Seattle, Washington.
          Mike can be reached at (816)763-3797 if anyone's
          interested or has questions. BTW, Mike is the guy
          that's helping Mike Carradine set up the
          aftermarket parts Web page. So get those part
          numbers in, so's we can put them Gen-u-wine Parts
          dealers out of business for good! (or maybe just
          get them to lower those prices)
          Dave
          Parts is Parts
          72 Series III. Heater works great. (in the summer)

--NAA22936.813951868/transfer.stratus.com--

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:20:00 -0400
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: re: GPS

>I read recently that permanant ground based reference points are being

>set up for the satelites.

>Supposedly this will enable them to

>constantly check their own postions and inform your GPS receiver where

>it is to an accuracy within a few feet.

That's called "Differential GPS" and it's currently operational here on the
East Coast, at least along a portion of the coastline.  The inaccuracies
aren't because of satelite drift either, they're deliberate on the part of
the DOD.  The U.S. Coast Guard spends a couple million of your tax dollars
each year to "correct" the dithered signal that the Department of Defense
spends several million more to create in the name of not providing
"precise" coordinates to our enemies.  Like 600ft is going to make a big
difference when the bomb drops.

Of course it's even more silly now, at least in locations that the Coast
Guard is serving with a differetial transmitter, because all  you, or I, or
*the enemy* has to do is spend another $500 on a differential receiver, and
have mounting space for a box 4 times the size of a portable GPS, and we
can have dead-on accurate positioning.

If you're as unamused by this silliness as I am, maybe you'd like to take
the time to write, or EMAIL, your congressmen and get behind the movement,
already proposed by the New York Times last year, to get the DOD to remove
the dither from the signal.

To jump into the GPS fray, my unit is a portable Garmin GPS-45.  The
display is sort of small, but well backlit and clear.  It's nitrogen
filled, and thus 100% waterproof.  I also bought a 12V power/data cable
that connects to Mac which allows me to backup and restore (as well as plot
from Charts) waypoints and routes.  I like it a lot.  The vehicle mounting
bracket was extra.

By random accident, I also have a Magellan GPS Meridian XL which is
similarly priced.  For the same money the Magellan includes the data cable
and mounting bracket, but it's not nitrogen filled, so it's less
waterproof.  Big difference if you're using it on small boats, like I am,
but might not matter much ashore.

It's kind of an amusing story how I ended up with both, but paid for only one:

ME: (Deperately trying to attract attention at the customer service
counter) "Uh, excuse me, you shipped this GPS to me after I'd canceled the
order and applied the money towards the purchase of a Garmin that you had
in stock."

(A tale within itself.  I wanted the Garmin, but was originally quoted a
price $100 more than that of the Magellan.  The next day, I found a
competiters ad putting the Garmin at the same price as the Magellan, which
was "out of stock and had to be ordered."  I returned to the store which
promises to match any price, and *this* salesman looked the price up in the
computer and wanted to know how the other guy got a price $100 higher.  The
Garmin was in stock, and the order for the Magellan was "canceled", with
the credit card charge being applyed to the new purchase.)

STORE MANAGER: "I'm sorry, that's a mailorder, you'll have to ship it back
to our warehouse."

ME: "No, I bought and paid for it through this retail outlet. You were out
of stock, so you [mistakenly] drop shipped it to me after I'd canceled the
order.  I don't want to eat the shipping costs."

SM "I'm sorry, there's nothing I can do, you'll have to ship it back."

6 months, and I've yet to be billed or received a request for return of the
extra unit, which I've kept boxed except for a couple of Power Squadron
side-by-side demos.  I guess I'll make one more good faith effort, and then
figure out where I want to mount the Magellan in the Rover...

This story, the whole USCG/US-DOD GPS fiasco, and the fact that Sprint
insists on spending $0.29 plus paper costs to send me $0.12 long distance
bills go a long way in explaining America's (sorry, the US's) loss of
competitive edge.  In comparison, British-Leyland and Lucas begin to make
perfect sense.  Or maybe it's just me...

Rgds, Keep on Roverin'

JAB

==                                                                 ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg        Purple Shark Media              Rowayton, CT
                       jeff@purpleshark.com
                        ==================
                   Love is fine until you taste
          This melancholy bouillabaisse called letting go
                                                       Jimmy Buffett
==                                                                 ==

------------------------------

From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:33:55 -0400
Subject: Vehicular comparisons

The recent threads comparing Land Rovers to Jeeps is hardly a fair
comparison.  If one cares to compare apples to apples, then one must find a
suitable class of vehicle to compare to a Land Rover.  Although cute in a
college co-ed sort of a way, Jeep Wranglers can in no way be considered a
serious work vehicle.  The same is true for Ford Explorers and Jeep Grand
Cherokees.  The former is merely a merely a toy for those with a driver's
license who want a toy with power delivered to all four wheels.  The former
are family wagons which perform better on wet and snow packed roads than a
standard passenger car.  Granted they can tow about what a 1/2 ton pick-up
can, but I wouldn't want it as my only tow vehicle.

On the other hand, Land Rovers are really a four wheel drive work truck.  A
more appropriate comparison would be with a full size pick-up or Chevy/GMC
Suburban.  In fact, my Land Rover reminds me a great deal of a 3/4 ton 1972
Ford Pick-up I used to own.  258,000 miles of towing, hauling and daily
commuting with only one muffler replacement and replacement of tie rod ends.
 Granted, it was a huge boat, and not very maneuverable but hey, it wasn't
designed for that.  What happened to it?  We sold it when we bought a 1963
Dodge 400 Horse Van to a landscaper who uses it daily and thinks it the
greatest truck he's ever owned (he doesn't have a Land Rover). 

Although comparable in exterior dimensions, Jeeps, Ford Explorers, Geo
Trackers, Suzukis and other light duty SUV's have nothing in common with a
workhorse like the Land Rover when the sheet metal is stripped away.

Just my opinion,

Nate
Rocking Horse Farm
Boring, MD USA 21020
NADdMD@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:47:31 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Young's Springs

 Bobeck, David R. <dbobeck@ushmm.org> writes:
>         The correct number for Young's Springs is
          (802)773-7237. I called and Bob was out for lunch.
          Waiting to hear back.

 Correctamundo!!

 That's the number we have in the High Performance section on the
 Series LR Aftermarket Web page at http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

 Let Bob know you heard about Young's Springs on the Internet :)

                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 cs@crl.com               [________]                            '65 IIA 88
             ___________.._(o)__.(o)_______...o^^^^^^
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

------------------------------

From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 17 Oct 95 12:12:44 EDT
Subject: Brake Bleeding tip for Homebrewers

When I was dealing with the spongy disaster I had for brakes on my 109, I ran 
across a quick way to rig a pressure bleed that actually worked pretty well 
(with an extra tip for the homebrewers among us).

To adapt to the cylinder I used a small section of an old bicycle inner tube 
with the valve stem attached.I attached it to the top of the reservoir using a 
hose clamp - a bit inconvenient but ot too bad for the price. I then removed 
the valve core and pushed a piece of vinyl tubing over that, using the tubing 
to connect to my pressure supply. If it got too high-pressured, the tubing 
would have slipped off the valve stem, easing the problem.

For a pressuresource I used my CO2 bottle from my homebrew kegging setup. It 
was easy to fit the tubing to it and set it to 10PSI. For the non-brewers (or 
welders) among us, a bicycle pump and cooperative child can be used as a 
pressure source also, or inflate an old innertube with said bicycle pump and 
use it as a pressure reservoir.

    Just a thought..... -Alan

P.S.: I am not getting a list feed, or responses from Majordomo. if anyone sees 
this, could you email me a confirmation? -AJR

------------------------------

Date: 17 Oct 95 14:53:24 EDT
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: More ASCII Art

I just worked up a frontal view of a SerIIa. What do you think?

    -------------------
   |         |         |
   |  _ _ ___|___ _ _  |
 O |[____|>>>>>>>|____]| O
  \_____==_=====_==_____/
  |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|
  |     |   ###   |     |
  |     | ####### |     |
  |_____|_#######_|_____|
 [_______________________]
    |\/|            |\/|

 Rob Dennis
 Atlanta, GA USA
 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 17-Oct-1995

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:34:20 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Request for spare part/front panel assembly

Hello everybody!  I recently fullfilled a childhood dream and bought myself=

a SI 1958 107" station wagon.  I will try and get it back to original as far=

as possible.  One of the parts that are definitely missing is the front body=

panel assembly (page 342 in my Series I Parts Catalogue).  It seems the
previous owner was a little corpulent (estimates ranged from 300 to almost=

400 pounds) and removed the upper part of the assembly in order to move the=

seat back from the wheel.  The B-posts are still there, of course, and so is=

the vertical slab at the bottom.  Everything else is missing.  Anybody in
the UK or on the European continent breaking a 107" S/W?

And since I=B4m on the subject, does anybody know where I could get one grey=

original front seat, one grey original back seat (one of two behind the back=

row) and a rectangular rear step complete (page 364) in good condition? 
Please fax (Austria-1-58 123 10) or email lopezba@atnet.co.at.

Just for the record - the "totty little things" mentioned by Mike Rooth were=

not products of the oil crisis, but came much earlier when post-war Germans=

were getting sick and tired of being cold and wet on a motorbike, but
couldn=B4t afford a car yet.  Basically the Isettas and Messerschmidts and=

Heinkels were motorbikes or scooters with a body that protected the two or=

three people inside from the elements.  The official name was
"Kabinenroller", or scooter with a cockpit, and most of them required a
motorbike license only. I remeber them very well dates me, doesn=B4t it?

I enjoy your list very much, by the way. Will try and start something
similar, if a little more technical and paper-based, here in Austria.

Thank you
Peter Hirsch

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:59:24 -0600
From: Erik Nystrom <enystrom@innovusmm.com>
Subject:  1995 Camel Trophy Discos

Does anyone know if Land Rover or Camel is planning on taking a Camel
Trophy Discovery on tour around the U.S.? Such as appearing at Land
Rover dealers throughout the country?

Erik Nystrom
enystrom@innovusmm.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 13:43:34 MST
From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV
Subject: RR has broken fan blade

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
SUBJECT: RR has broken fan blade
Hello, I just had a cooling hose burst on my '87 RR and lost all the
coolant. I (unfortunately) didn't notice it until I saw steam from under the
hood when I came to a stop from the freeway. (The coolant light was
blinking, but that's a fairly common thing.) When I saw this, I checked the
temp. gauge (albeit a bit late) and it was pegged full *hot*. As soon as
possible I pulled over and coasted to a stop, which took about 40 to 60
seconds. When I was repairing the hose and adding water, I noticed the
plastic fan has one blade broken off.

Here are my questions:

1.) Should I replace the fan A.S.A.P.? Or is it okay to let it go? If
replacement is in order, should I use the electric? Or same (LR) type?

2.) It has a lifter ticking, which I want to replace, (If I blew the head
gasket I may be doing this sooner than I had wanted to!) and I checked with
a local performance shop and found I can order any of several higher
performance or "RV" type cam. Has anyone done this? (Mild performance, not
race.) Will it mess up the computer? The sales droid didn't know.

3.) Semi-related question: How can I get "Old Man Emu" springs for a '71 IIa
88? The local ARB representative doesn't list any springs for the "series"
LR's. Anyone know if I can order them from Australia??? If so, from Whom?

Thanks for your input!

Dave (worried about my head gasket) Brown

P.S. Jim Jackson, did you ever get a Discovery? Sell your J***? Still at
ARB? (Maybe you can help me with springs???)

#=======#          ________           We make a living by what we get,
|__|__|__\___     /__/__|__\___        we make a life by what we give.
| _|  |   |_ |}   \_/-\_|__/-\_|}
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                       Winston Churchill

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:44:15 +0100
From: cs@crl.com (Michael Carradine)
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Young's Springs

>>Let Bob know you heard about Young's Springs on the Internet :)
> He already did! Poor guy's been swamped with calls from
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 21 lines)]
>          Cheers
>          Dave

 Dave,

 This is all good information, thanks.  The price quote was a silly error
 based in the fact that I never priced springs to have a natural feel as
 to what they might cost.  I simply asked Bob what a set of rear springs
 for an 88 would cost by example, he said about $130, I assumed set while
 he quoted me each =:o    Oh, well... at least people are calling him :)

                          ______
 Michael Carradine        [__[__\==                     Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900             [________]                        Land-Rover 4x4
 cs@crl.com  ___________.._(o)__.(o)_______...o^^^^^^           '65 IIA 88
 _________________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page at:  http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 13:58:31 -0700
Subject: Austin Gypsy
From: Andre_Maier@mindlink.bc.ca (Andre Maier)

i know this isn't landy stuff but i thought there might be some interest in
this considering the rarity of it.i found a fellow out here the other day
who wants to sell his Austin Gypsy.it's definitly a project vehicle but it
apears to have most of the parts.the motor is in pieces and there is no
roof.there is a rolling chassis with the trans in it and the rust appears
minimal except for 2 small holes i could see and some surface.he wants
500$for all.he also has the regis.1968.
i found the similaritys between the landy and this unit interesting.
phone or fax me if any interested parties out there.6049513214.

------------------------------

From: "Hugh Grierson" <Hugh_Grierson@trimble.co.nz>
Date:          Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:57:59 +1300
Subject:       Re: Bushings and things

Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM> writes...
>     [...] I thought the whole point was to have
>     the hangers (both the frame ones and the shackle plates) bind
>     against the center tube of the bush.  You not only want the hangers
>     to bind against the bush, you want them to become as one

Maybe you're right.  I just had premature failure of several spring
bushes (about 1 year use mostly on road) and I put it down to
overtightening, but maybe they were just crap parts. But it seems to
be asking a lot from the rubber in the bushes at the rear of each spring
(and those are the ones that failed) to absorb the large amount of
rotation that happens in the shackles without shearing the rubber.
I'm not so worried about the front end of the springs, there's little 
enough movement there, so I torqued those hanger bolts pretty tight
(don't want them coming off!).

>     Once you've done that, then you not only get the rubber vibration
>     isolation of the bush, you also get its torsional resistance
>     characteristics.  That's why it's important to loosely assemble

I fitted poly bushes and they're designed so the center tube can spin
freely in the bush, so I'm not convinced that the torsional resistance of
the rubber in normal bushes is that important.

>     Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the proper
>     advice is CRANK THOSE MOTHERS DOWN!!!!

-Hugh
-- 
Hugh Grierson   hugh_grierson@trimble.co.nz  

------------------------------

Subject: Re: GPS, National Geographic, Roof Racks? 
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:53:08 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Gawie van Blerk wrote:

> 2) GPS's are seldom more than 100m/300ft accurate

	Civilian GPS units have a horizontal error that is at worst 100m.  If
the error (the satellites are really lying to you to form a "drunken walk 
error") was turned off the best that you would get is 33m (which is a 
limitation based on the bandwidth of the frequency used.)   US military units
use differenent frequencies and are much, much more accurate.

> 3) On altitude 100m makes a big difference.

	The altitude measurement is worse than the horizontal measurement 
because of the geometry of the satellites (they are all above you).  If you
could get a signal from one satellite below you, the vertical error would be
about the same as the horizonatal error.  

	Some GPS units (like my Motorola Encore) actually display the order
of magnitude of the errors (HDOP, VDOP, PDOP) as a 2 digit number.  So an
HDOP of 3.3 would be 3.0*33=100m.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 17:03:37 -0500
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Disco 7500 mile service price

Alas, my dealer, Tom Wood of Indianapolis, seems to be at the top of  
the list on high prices. They told me 220 for a Disco 7500 mile  
inspection as opposed to the 49.00 that I have seen on the net. For a  
Disco or a D-90?

------------------------------

Subject: Re: GPS Accuracy 
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:10:30 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Leyland J Roys wrote:

> For the person asking about GPS accuracy. Currently the goverment purposely
> lowers the accuracy of civilian GPS systems, there is a fancy name for this
> called "selective something..." 

	Selective Availibility.

> The GPS system has the full capability to
> accurately take your 2000 miles and put you on a dime, 

	The accuracy of the US military models is classified, but unclassified
publications have put the militaries accuracy at less than 1 meter.  The 
civilian GPS (assume that you are not using a differential unit--which is a
work around.  Differential depends upon one unit staying in one place, knowing
exactly where it is, and broadcasing on some radio band what the error is for
that instant) is about 33 meters and is a limit set by the physics of the
frequency choses.  The US military uses 2 frequencies that have a wavelength 
that us about 10 times shorter than the civilian GPS and is encrypted.

> but the goverment (Military) is worried that people will use this to land a 
> missle in the front yard of your house, so they basically take away the 
> altitute accuracy of the GPS.

	The altitude error is due to the geometry of the the satellites that
you can see.  The military does worry about the "bad guys" using GPS for 
guiding missile.  (For Scuds 100 meters is close enough).  That is way they
can turn off GPS for various regions (though a region is about the size of the
lower 48 states).   To protect against use in ballistic missiles, hard coded
in the GPS chips/algorithm are some fail safes.  If you are travelling at
speeds greater than 1000 knots (roughly 1300mph I think) *and* you are 
above 80,000 feet the GPS will shut down and not resume giving output until 
you stop violating one of these conditions (This is in the Motorola chip). 
(This condition used to be and *or* until the high alitude balloon teams 
discovered the problem.  It was decided that being really high, but going 
slower than a missile was ok and they chips were modified.) 

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

------------------------------

Subject: Re: Rochester carb adjustment: pry from manifold, hurl in trash 
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:20:57 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

Duncan Brown wrote:

 My 88 came with a Rochester originally.  I'm sorry, I simply can't
 believe any *design* was ever involved in that conversion. 
 Somebody found a carb that would bolt up to the Rover manifold and
 sold it as a conversion kit.  The dang thing just isn't right for
 the engine.  I spent a lot of time playing with mine and could never
 get the peformance or the mileage I wanted.

	As another data point.  I have both a Rochester carb and a Webber
single barrel.  With the Webber I get 16 mpg, and can (on good days) get up
65mph on the flats with no wind (this is a Webber out of the box with no
modifications).  With the Rochester I get 12 to 13 mpg, can maintain 65 on
all flats, some uphills and I even saw 80mph one day (until the Rochester
sucked more fuel than the fuel pump could pump and I ran out of gas for a 
moment (I was chasing after a Rover on a trailer)).  For me the Rochester
has noticably more horsepower.  Rejetting your Rochester could make the
world of difference.

	I aslo found that the Rochester runs a litte rich and the Webber runs
a little lean (and hence a little hotter--which I suspect is why I blew a head
gasket last spring--it cut right through the gasket--driving highway speeds
in 100 degree heat).    I also have a 8:1 head.

	So YMMV.

Ben

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:29:50 -0400
From: jeff@purpleshark.com (Jeffrey A. Berg)
Subject: Another L-R Toy.

I can't remember if this one was discussed on the list a while back or not.
However, while visting my local Toys-R-Us looking for the Majorette/TEAM
toys that Robin recently mentioned (didn't find them, have to see where
there's a K-Mart around here) I stumbled across one that I'd been looking
for for awhile.

In the Matchbox Originals" Authentic Recreations of Matchbox Early Vehicles
series No. 12 is a Series I.  To quote from the back of the box:

Prior to 1956 the range consisted of commecial and construction models.
The Land Rover was the closest Lesney came to producing "car"
before 1956.  The orignal Land Rover was produced in dark green with silver
trim and a tan driver.

And so it is reproduced, along with a duplicate of the original box.  This
appears to be an "authentic" reproduction in that there isn't much detail.
It's a smaller scale than today's Matchbox cars. It is solid, and heavy for
it's size though.  $2.50, and following Robin's lead I now have two of
them.  One still in the blister pack, and one unwrapped and sitting proudly
on top of the repro box on my CPU Tower.  It's simple, but gives me
pleasure to stare at, just like my 1:1 model.

They had a few more at the Norwalk, CT Toys-R-Us and I'll probably return
tomorrow - BEFORE school lets out - to pick up a couple more for gifts.  If
you'd like one, and don't want to spend the time hunting it down, drop me a
line.  $6 US: $2.50 + tax, 2.99 Post Office 2-day shipping, rounded up to
the nearest dollar.  I'm not trying to make a profit, and by the time I
drive to Toys-R-Us and the Post Office, I won't be. ;-}  Foreign orders
would be slightly higher.  Of course, interesting trades of similar class
merchanidise (I'm not fooling myself thinking these things are of any
terrific value like the soft rubber Landy of a few years ago) would be
considered.

Keep on Roverin'

JAB

==                                                                 ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg         Purple Shark Media             Rowayton, CT
                        jeff@purpleshark.com
                                *****
Look what happens when you love someone, and they don't love you.
                                       --Warren Zevon, The Heartache
==                                                                 ==

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 17:32:48 -0500
From: "John B. Friedman" <johannes@scribes.english.uiuc.edu>
Subject: 235-75-16 compared with 235-70-16

Can anyone explain the practical difference bweeteen these tire  
sizes, as the 235-75-16 is easy to get where I live and fairly cheap,  
Michelins and Generals 100.00 to 125.00. I posted this before but it  
never seems to have got through. Thanks, John Friedman

------------------------------

Date: 17 Oct 95 20:18:50 EDT
From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Springs 

 J. Hess write re rear springs.
       The rear springs on the 88,ser 1 and 2 ,  109, petrol, diesel,1 ton ex
military 88 and 109 are all the same centre distances, and can readily be
interchanged.  what varies is the number and thickness of the leaves, the heavy
ones  have fewer, thicker leaves than the lighter ones. Anything from 5 to 11
leaves.  If yours are too heavy take out one or two leaves,

  On Sunday Trevor Easton and I went  on a charity Christmas toy run for British
cars  in Burlington, Ontario, one or both of our Land Rovers featured on the TV
news on a couple of channels, does this qualify for entry in the famous Land
Rover list ?
 The event was organised by the Toronto sports car club. On arrival at the
assembly point one of the attendants asked me to move my Land Rover because the
area was reserved for british cars. To rub it in my 109 is being operated on
British licence plates and a G.B. plate and it is still road legal in the UK
except for insurance.

   Regards    Bill  Leacock     Limey in exile

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:22:50 EDT
From: tdj@fore.com (Tom Des Jardins)
Subject: Mailing list future <NOT NOISE>

Have we considered becomming a news group?  We certainly have enough
members if I recall the requirements correctly and the Williams report of
700+ addresses is correct.

Tom Des Jardins
FORE Systems (412)635-3374  FAX 772-6500 url http://www.fore.com
Please note new phone number.  I am now at the McKnight road facility.

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Subject: Re: Mailing list future <NOT NOISE> 
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:45:45 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199510180026.TAA24298@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote:
  
> Have we considered becomming a news group?  We certainly have enough
> members if I recall the requirements correctly and the Williams report of
> 700+ addresses is correct.

	Personally, I'd rather not.  Every newsgroup that I read (some 50 to
100) has at least 50% noise.  And then there will be the flame wars with
the jeep and Land Cruiser folks.  And spam posts....  Also not everyone
has access to newsgroups.

Ben

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 08:59:55 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: A couple of 110 Questions

On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Doug McPherson wrote:

> Gbox ? If the fluid isn't shared, what fluid is where? (ie if its leaking
> hypoid, where's it coming from !) Is a leak bad ? Its dropping enough for
> the tail shaft to fling it onto the chassis rails, where it drips off.

Instant rust protection.

> 75c/litre, so a gas V8 110 runs about the same cost as a diesel 110. In the
> 110 I looked at the gas tank was behind the back seats. Is there any other
> place to put the tank out of the way ? I would prefer to have a flat load
> bed.

Mine sits lengthways on top of the RH wheel 'arch', it takes up a lot of
space but is better there than underneath and is saving me a LOT of $$$.

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:09:28 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Oh Joy!

Replaced my centre diff lock actuator (vacuum operated) yesterday and now 
have a fully functional diff lock. The spectre of an expensive gearbox 
rebuild now fades into the distance ....  (tempting fate eh?).

An easy way to check the operation of the actuator is to pull out the 
light switch and watch the shaft moving through the hole. Also possible 
is conversion to a mechanically operated difflock by stcking a 
screwdriver in said hole!

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:17:06 PDT
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Newbie L-R alert ....

<WARNING: newbie L-R owner alert>

Just took delivery of my '96 Discovery for the Tahoe runs this upcoming
winter having upgraded from an ancient, coughing, spluttering Jeep Cherokee.

Most colleagues at work seem to think a Land Rover is a new sort of Toyota
("oh, but I thought all those car factories in England were run by Toyota
nowadays ...."). You have to forgive these natives a little - you would have 
thought that such colonials would be used to such British invasions by now, after
300+ years - will they never learn? I try telling them it's actually a BMW 9xx
series but nobody believes me.

Look forward to useful info on this list - I hope Discovery's are not shunned
by this list: I do admit that A/C, 8-speaker stereo and curves in the bodywork are
not exactly traditional L-R traits but I think there's a real Landie lurking
underneath somewhere (I *did* get the stick-shift and it has synchromesh
on *all* of its gears - wow!).

Now I've finally got my stable in order: two shiney black LBCs.

Andrew Smith      (currently in the N.Californian British-exile community)
Palo Alto CA USA

'60 Healey 3000 Mk.I
'96 Discovery

> On arrival at the
> assembly point one of the attendants asked me to move my Land Rover because the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> except for insurance.
>    Regards    Bill  Leacock     Limey in exile

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:20:42 PDT
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: Mailing list future <NOT NOISE>

I'd also rather have a mailing list, not a newsgroup. Just because I
would never find the time to read news in between the 200-300 mail
messages I already get/day. It's much easier to weed out messages from
my mail reader. Of course, I do appreciate that mail is not so
convenient for everyone.

Andrew Smith

   
> > Have we considered becomming a news group?  We certainly have enough
> > members if I recall the requirements correctly and the Williams report of
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
>  from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
>  Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: RR has broken fan blade
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:01:20 +0930 (CST)

Hi Dave, 
> 1.) Should I replace the fan A.S.A.P.? Or is it okay to let it go?
If one blade is completely missing, I'd replace it as the out of balance is
not going to do the water pump bearings or viscous coupling much good.

> If replacement is in order, should I use the electric? Or same (LR) type?

here in oz the 7 blade rover fan is quite resonably priced, ($70) cheaper
than afternmarket stuff and much cheaper than electric thermo units.

> race.) Will it mess up the computer? The sales droid didn't know.

Again here in OZ the cam manufacturers have listings of cams suitable for
EFI motors.  If the droid doesnt know then contact the grinder.  If they dont
know then I'd try somewhere else........
> 3.) Semi-related question: How can I get "Old Man Emu" springs for a '71 IIa

I've never seen OME springs for any series rover, come to that the only
aftermarket stuff I've seen is "add-a-leaf" type springs and poly-airs.....
I lie I did hear of someone making "comfort something" springs for rovers but
that was a long time ago.. perhaps lloyd or someone else has some suggestions?

cheers
-- 

  Daryl

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:06:25 -0700
From: Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand)
Subject: Re: Newbie L-R alert ....

> From LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com  Tue Oct 17 18:29:00 1995
> <WARNING: newbie L-R owner alert>
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Just took delivery of my '96 Discovery for the Tahoe runs this upcoming
> winter having upgraded from an ancient, coughing, spluttering Jeep Cherokee.

Well it sounds like there are more than a few new LRO's in the San Francisco
bay area (ours arrives in a week or two; Avalon Blue Dicovery SE7). From the 
activity on the list it seems like there are at least 5 to 10 new (95/96) Discovery
or D90 owners. Perhaps a Bay Area get together (like the PA outing in earily
Sept) would be inorder so us newbies can meet the veterans. Of course all who 
could make it would be welcome, bay area residents or not.

How does 1st or second week in November sound ?

I'm thinking a picknick up off skyline, in the Stanta Cruz mountains, some where 
would be nice ?

Bennett - care to suggest a site ?

Boy that car better get here pretty soon... I'm so excited I feel like a Golden Retriever
puppy !!! (Maureen, my wife is getting pretty tired of all those papers on the floor)

Thanks
Doug

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:42:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: ??????? <alanh@merlin.nhmccd.cc.tx.us>
Subject: Turning Break Rotors

I understand that Land Rover does not encourage "turning" the brake 
rotors on the Range Rover, but I would like to hear from those who have.
Also, does anyone make vented brake rotors for the Range Rover?
Does it in anyway affect ABS performance?

BTW.  On they way to work, I came upon an accident involving two Jeep 
products. The first Cheap Jerokee was on fire! The second "Grand" Cheap 
Jerokee looked like one massive "crumple zone"!  Passengers seemed okay 
though, (future Land-Rover customers, one suspects!!)

Alan Hood

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: lim slip diffs
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:48:19 +0930 (CST)

> Are there any conversions to limited slip differentials for a 
> D90?  Front, rear axle?

Jack MacNamara's  here in oz produce a power-trac type lim slip for the rover
diffs.  

i've been told that quaife produce a torque biasing unit, heard of one for
sale secondhand but no other info

check out lloyds web site or LRO magazine for Macnamara's address.
cheers

-- 

  Daryl

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:37:46 +0930
From: Tiffany Downing <tiffanyd@tafe.sa.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Rochester Carb Idle Adjustment

At 10:59 AM 17/10/95 EDT, you wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

>Gang,
>I've got a IIA 88 that is getting hideous gas mileage -  9-10 mpg (on a good 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
>"ear", and it seems I'm tone deaf.  Can the collective wisdom of the list help 
>here?

I seem to remember from listening to my husband talk to our landy friends
that you can tell if your car is running rich or lean by the exhaust pipe.
If it is black/dark grey or if it is white means that it's either running
too rich or too lean.  If it is a nice light grey colour it's pretty good.
Sorry but I can't remember which is which with the colours and their
meanings though (eg black/dark grey - lean or rich?)

Perhaps one of the other members might be able to clarify this!

If I have misinterpreted the question, the answer or any of the above PLEASE
DON't YELL AT ME!!  :-)  I mean Red, Blue and Green would be much more
appropriate colours to use!

Regards

Tiffany Downing

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TAFE South Australia, AUSTRALIA
Phone:   (61 8) 226 3202
Fax:     (61 8) 226 3655
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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re:exhaust pipe colours
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:06:54 +0930 (CST)

> If it is black/dark grey or if it is white means that it's either running
> too rich or too lean.  If it is a nice light grey colour it's pretty good.

Of course this only works for leaded petrol, yet to see an unleaded pipe
anything other than soot black.....  Hmmm is diesel an unleaded fuel...

cheers
-- 

  Daryl

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From: "Tim Chapman FCE/DGF-AF/F&P DIV" <CHAPMAN@mail.navmat.navy.gov.au>
Date:          Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:42:46 +1000
Subject:       Aussie Newbie

I just discovered the land rover owner digest and thought that I would 
put my two cents worth in.   I own a 3.9l V8 Discovery and my wife 
and I have enjoyed its many attributes since Jan 95.   I look forward 
to reading/participatig in the digest.

Regards,

Tim Chapman 

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Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:54:25 -0700
From: jory@org.org (jory bell)
Subject: Re: LRO Lists Futures ???? << READ THIS MAIL ! >> (fwd)

Can anyone provide a traffic estimate for the main LRO list (vis a vis its
current trouble)? Maybe in terms of subscribers and messages oer day, etc.

-jory

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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:55:51 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: Rochester Carb Idle Adjustment

On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Tiffany Downing wrote:

> I seem to remember from listening to my husband talk to our landy friends
> that you can tell if your car is running rich or lean by the exhaust pipe.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> Sorry but I can't remember which is which with the colours and their
> meanings though (eg black/dark grey - lean or rich?)

I think black equals rich, white equals lean. You can get the same sort 
of information by inspecting spark plug deposits, ie black and sooty 
means running rich, white means running lean, nice light grey means 
juuust right. Sort of Goldilocks and the three Landrovers.

Cheers.

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Tony Yates                      @@@@@@@@@@ 
Bureau of Meteorology             @@@@@@@  
Port Hedland                         @@@@
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Subject: Re: LRO Lists Futures ???? << READ THIS MAIL ! >> (fwd) 
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:06:16 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199510180357.UAA10105@owens.ridgecrest.ca.us>you wrote:
> Can anyone provide a traffic estimate for the main LRO list (vis a vis its
> current trouble)? Maybe in terms of subscribers and messages oer day, etc.

	According to my handy dandy little counter program.  For October:

10/1   16
10/2   28
10/3   27
10/4   30
10/5   29
10/6   23
10/7    5
10/8   10
10/9   18
10/10  34
10/11  20
10/12  50
10/13  59
10/14  11
10/15  20
10/16  60
10/17  67

Feb 1995:  1009
Mar 1995:   875
Apr 1995:   684
May 1995:   336
Jun 1995:   810
Jul 1995:   996
Aug 1995:   835
Sep 1995:   963

	All of this times 700 users per message

	Hope this helps Jory.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

------------------------------

From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: plug deposits
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:51:04 +0930 (CST)

> I think black equals rich, white equals lean. You can get the same sort 
> of information by inspecting spark plug deposits, ie black and sooty 
> means running rich, white means running lean,

No electrodes means cheap (or not so cheap)  nasty plugs...........

as an aside how many of you have noticed a strong  plug preference with your
rovers.   my low comp 3.5 doesnt like champion (runs ratty) just munches
bosch (eats electrodes in ~2months, even 2 heat ranges colder than
reccomended...)  yet when I tried nipondenso ( yup genuine toyota plugs:-() I
changed them after 2 years figuring it had to be due, but there was barely
any erosion..    Go Figure 
If only I could find a source of quality British KLG (lucas ??) plugs I'm
sure they would last forever....... 

-- 

  Daryl

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 01:40:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:  Lug nuts!

Stefan sez...

>         (YNMV - your nuts may vary)

I stopped at the local Land-Rover dealership today (parked my tatty IIa in
front of the showroom). Went in and talked to one of the salesmen. He showed
me the lugnut display. It's really good for a laugh. 

Cheers
Mike
 

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 01:40:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Vertical winching (The Gods must be.

Rob sez...

> I saw the movie quite recently, and if you look closely, the LR has been 
> modified quite a bit. I figure it is just a shell mock up of the LR. It 
> has no diffs and the underside of the vehicle is very flat and 
/

Aw, geeeeeeee... now you've gone and spoiled it.... 

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 01:41:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Heaters heaters heaters

>           heater "doesn't just work well, doesn't work good,
>           it works outstandingly well" and he can 'blow his
>           wife out of the truck with it". Sounds pretty
/

Gee... maybe I should have gotten one of those a few years ago BEFORE
getting the divorce...   :)

Cheers
Mike

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 01:41:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Springs

Bill Leacock sez...

>  The event was organised by the Toronto sports car club. On arrival at the
> assembly point one of the attendants asked me to move my Land Rover
> because the area was reserved for british cars. To rub it in my 109 is
> being operated on British licence plates and a G.B. plate and it is
> still road legal in the UK except for insurance.
/

Must be something in the Toronto water.. At Stowe this year, I saw a couple
of people I know from Toronto who own a Spitfire. The wife asked if I
brought my Triumph. When I replied that I had the Land Rover she was quite
suprised and said she didn't know it was British... go figure!

Cheers
Mike
  

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