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Subject: Re: vertical winching
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 05:29:45 -0400
From: William Caloccia <caloccia@sw.stratus.com>

Lloyd mentions:

There is a film (''The Gods Must be Crazy'') which includes an incident of 
a Series LR winching it self up a tree while the driver is distracted.

	-B

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:24:40 +0100
From: mfarrall@well.ox.ac.uk (Martin Farrall)
Subject: Premature timing belt failure

Friend's with a 1995 Disco TDi stayed this weekend.  They changed their
"old" 1993 Disco (200 TDi) shortly after it's timing belt failed whilst
cruising on the motorway.  This failure occured at about 50,000 miles
(they had the vehicle from new) and Land-Rover paid for 75% of the
repair bill (damage to various bits at the "top end") as this failure
was agreed to be well within the scheduled replacement time/distance of
5 years/60,000 miles.

They had apparently noted some increase in noise and changes in power
but had decided to ignore it.  I get the impression they normally only
lift the bonnet to display the engine to visitors.

I am sorely tempted to have our TDi's belt changed at 48,000 mile
intervals.

Martin Farrall

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From: Tom Stevenson <gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk>
Subject: 4WD payloads
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:31:34 +0100 (BST)

In my Boys Own Book of Land Rovers, the Gross Vehicle Weight for a hard
top 90 Tdi (in the UK) is 2400kg (5291 lb) and for a 110 hard top is
3050kg (6723 lb)

When I first bought a LR, I remember asking a squaddie pal how much the
army could carry in the back of a LWB. He pointed out the bump stops,
and said that when they are touching the axle the vehicle is fully laden.
-- 
Tom Stevenson: gbfv08@udcf.gla.ac.uk
University Marine Biological Station, Isle of Cumbrae, Scotland
Tel:(01475) 530581  Fax:(01475) 530601

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From: Danny Phillips <danny@tlpgate.lonpar.co.uk>
Subject: Used Landies.
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 11:31:06 BST

I have just read the comments from a chap about used cars (he works at Metro 
West?) and that the dealership opposite has not had a LR on its used court.

It reminded me of a story a friend of mune told me a while back (he works in
a Rover / Land Rover dealership). A large Ford dealership (well known in my
county) had a disco on their forecourt, and when peeps were checking out the 
mavericks they were told, that someone traded in the disco on a maverick as
' the maverick was a better vehicle'. this was okay for them until they had 
a chap in looking for a car for his daughter, who heard this and then said
funny it has the same reg as my friends disco that he traded in for another
in yorkshire (600 miles away). suffice to say the trading standards peeps are 
looking into it.

bit naughty really, as the maverick is just a nissan with a fraud badge !!!.

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:45:37 +0100
From: tklein@MZDMZA.ZDV.UNI-MAINZ.DE
Subject: Nice Toy found

Hello,

Last week I've found a nice toy for Discovery owners.
It's a 1:10 remote control discovery from ROBBE. It has 4wd, 3 diffs, 
aluminium chassis, freestyle rims, transparent body. It comes with e-motor.
The rc-sender and so on are not included!
The only problem is the price: 399.00 DM
But who knows. It's time to buy Xmas gifts.

Thorsten
SIII Lightweight (now with HT), Scotti
 

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Premature timing belt failure
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 11:46:03 BST

Would it not be worth considering a set of Zeus timing
gears.Expensive,I grant you,but there for good once fitted.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: tertius@cssgroup.co.za
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:00:56 +0200
Subject: Roof rack

Hi there from Africa (South Africa that is).
I have just suscribed and have read the mail with interest.
Just a comment on LR Series roof racks. Locally you would not find a 110
without a roof rack. We seem to exceed the spec quite a lot. My roof rack
on its own weighs app 60Kg, I have a 2 person tent on top (40Kg), and load
6 x 20l water and fuel as well for a total of more than 220Kg. I have just
returned from a trip to Namibia (on the border with Angola) and although
the roof rack bent (the "bow" effect as the supplier tried to explain it
away) the LR survived it. It did however influence the handling to quite an
extent and once travelling at 110Km/h I had to do some heavy braking with
the 110 starting to do a disconcerting dance all over the road. However I
enjoy my LR (have had it for 3 months) and I am working up to doing trips
further up in Africa.

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Emulations
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 11:56:18 BST

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
> --
> Gerald
> g@ix.netcom.com
Yes.What oy are talking about was one of a positive epidemic of
totty little things that came out as a result of the oil crisis
at the time.(LR content here)The Isetta was made by BMW,if memory
serves.There was also a Heinkel,with a similar layout,and a
Messerschmidt Cabin Scooter,the latter had a very Bf109 layout,
with tandem seating and the same arrangement of cockpit canopy
as the fighter.To reverse this oddball,you started the engine
backwards.They were to be seen later in Bf109 like paint jobs.
I had a mate with a Heinkel,which would never self start.When
going home off the night shift we would push it into the middle
of the works yard.He would open the front mounted door,put it
in bottom gear and push till it started.He then ran around the
front and waited till it caught him up,whereupon it "swallowed"
him and off he went.Presumably it spat him out at the conclusion
of his journey.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:29:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Military Vehicles Magazine

All,
    I've had a couple of inquiries about Military Vehicles Magazine. 
    Here's the info:

    Military Vehicles Magazine
    PO Box 1748
    Union, NJ 07083

    1 year (6 issues) for $15; 2 years for $25; foreign orders higher
    (unspecified).  Check or money orer only- no credit cards.

    It is a very well produced magazine with pictures, articles, display
    ads and private ads.  Not surprisingly the emphasis is on US
    vehicles, but they certainly cover other stuff from time to time and
    the private sale ads include hardware from around the world and
    sellers from around the world.  The most recent issue (number 53,
    November 1995) was 80 pages plus covers.  The covers always include
    4 vintage pictures of vehicles lined up or in action.

    Duncan

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 07:24:14 EDT
From: trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu (Tom Rowe)
Subject: The elephant and the mouse

Whoever posted it, great story! I printed out and when I picked up my
wife at work Friday evening I handed it to her and said "Here, perhaps
this will help you to understand why I'm such a Land Rover fanatic."
She read it and thought it quite funny.

She understands now.

Tom Rowe
UW Center for Dairy Research
Madison, WI 53706	| Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck
wk 608-265-6194	| in places even more inaccessible
hm 608-243-8660

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From: ross@secant.com (Ross Leidy)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 08:20:28 0500
Subject: Finally got my D90!

After a couple weeks of negotiation with the LR dealer (via FAX so they
couldn't see how much I really wanted it), I finally drove away with my new
D90.  :)

Thanks to all of you for responding to my queries about the vehicle and 
for providing opinions.  For me, your comments were simply justification 
for something I had already decided to do.  My wife was not quite as taken 
with the vehicle as I was, and she did all she could to dissuade me from 
the purchase.  She eventually realized that there was no way for her to 
win that battle, and she relented.  However, she now refers to my new baby
as, "the car with all the bolts sticking out of the dash."

I love my wife, comments and all.  I love my Defender, bolts and all.

______________________________________________________________________
 Ross Leidy  (ross@secant.com)
 Senior Software Engineer
 Secant Technologies, Inc.
 '95 D90 (Red) #3032

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 22:50:09 +1000
From: haystack@netspace.net.au (Doug McPherson)
Subject: A couple of 110 Questions

Hi all.

If you recall, I was asking about what I should look at when buying a Land
Rover 110 a few weeks ago.

Well, I've looked at a few since then. Now for some more questions ! :

1. A 110 I looked at had a fair leak somewhere near the output of the LT95
Gbox/Tcase. It was hypoid. Is the fluid shared in this box by Tcase and
Gbox ? If the fluid isn't shared, what fluid is where? (ie if its leaking
hypoid, where's it coming from !) Is a leak bad ? Its dropping enough for
the tail shaft to fling it onto the chassis rails, where it drips off.

2. There was some correspondence a week or two ago about the 5-speed LT85
box thats found on 110s. This was introduced in Oz in late '85. Its my
understanding that the later Defenders at least run the LT77 5-speed. Why
did LR ever bother with the LT85 when the RRs have always had the LT77 ?
Was the LT85 replaced because it was a dud, or the 77 got seriously better,
or they just streamlined production and used a weaker box 'cos it was
cheaper ?  Anyway, whats the opinion on the LT85 as a box compared to the
LT95 4 speed.

3. One of the 110s I looked at had an LPG (Liquified Petroleum Gas)
conversion. I don't know how popular such conversions are outside Australia
(even outside Melbourne !), but gas here is 25c/litre v petrol at
75c/litre, so a gas V8 110 runs about the same cost as a diesel 110. In the
110 I looked at the gas tank was behind the back seats. Is there any other
place to put the tank out of the way ? I would prefer to have a flat load
bed.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Doug.

PS: If anyone in Oz knows of a 110 for sale (diesel or petrol) at under
$20k, I'd be interested.

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Weights
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:28:00 DST

When comparing weights, remember gross weight is vehicle plus rated load. 
The weights quoted for the series vehicles were vehicle weights without load 
, For example ,the SWB wagon we could reckon to have a gross of about 4500 
(3281+100+7*160). For the record Miss Golightly weighs in a 3400 lbs with a 
full tank, hi lift,  tools and traction mats. It is interesting to note the 
rated load on many vehicles is less than one normal sized passenger in each 
seat.

Trevor Easton

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Hoisting in trees
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:45:00 DST

The thread about winching up trees reminded me of a nice tale about 
Chevrolet Vegas. It seems they were designed for shipping on special railway 
cars which had ramps that hinged down each side. The cars were driven on 
secured and the ramps raised so the cars were nose down. One day a smart 
loader decided it would be easier for unloading if they could be driven off 
forwards, so a whole train load was reversed onto the ramps. Anyone want to 
buy 300 Vegas with pre-oiled chassis and interiors? Then again, when you see 
a Vega today maybe it was one of those 300!

Trevor Easton

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From: ross@secant.com (Ross Leidy)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:37:03 0500
Subject: Where to get storage lockers?

Can anyone recommend a good mail-order company (in the US) where I can get
some storage lockers for my D90?  Now that I've just purchased my new
Defender, I'm anxious to spend even more money. ;-)

Thanks.

______________________________________________________________________
 Ross Leidy  (ross@secant.com)
 Senior Software Engineer
 Secant Technologies, Inc.
 '95 D90 (Red) #3032

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From: crash@merl.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:05:04 -0400
Subject: Disco review

CR reports tend to be very closely "channeled" to what CU thinks
the 'average consumer' wants or needs... in other words, what they
_want_ the average consumer to want or need.  Their agenda is in
general reasonable, but for those of us who are nonaverage, it's 
rather grating.

-----

The Discovery has a far better suspension than the Explorer or the
Blazer.  The Disco suspension is soft and has a huge amount of 
travel- you need that off-road to keep all four wheels in contact
with uneven terrain.  

On the road, it means you _don't_ feel every crack in the pavement;
you glide over them.  It's a far more comfortable ride than the Explorer
or Blazer.  You just don't get bounced around.  

CR admits that the Disco is the best offroad.  So why go with
a stiff "off-road" suspension when the best off-road suspension is
a soft suspension with a lot of travel - AND - that gives you a nice
smooth on-road ride?   

Maybe CR expects bouncing around in an off-road vehicle, but it's 
neither necessary nor desirable.  You stay alert and don't fatigue- 
a major safety advantage.

-----

I also don't understand why CR doesn't take expected vehicle lifetime
into account.  A vehicle that lasts twenty or thirty years is MUCH
more environmentally appropriate than one that lasts five. (something
like half of the total environmental impact generated by a modern 
disposacar is genrated _before_ the vehicle leaves the showroom- costs
of mining, smelting, refining, fabricating, assembling, and painting
a vehicle.)

-----

I can't complain about the Disco's brakes (four-wheel disks - 
they seem fine to me), the seats are comfortable enough to drive 
a thousand miles a day solo ( I've done it), the seating position 
_is_ a high step up but you'll come to like it.  You can see what's
going on in traffic, and that's half the battle when it comes to
staying out of an accident.  The other half is surviving an accident
and thats almost a pure mass game- more mass = more survivability
(Volvo notwithstanding).

-----

Final data point- I have friends with Explorers, GMC Jimmys (== rebadged
Blazer), etc.  They're nice when new.  But even at 40Kmiles their age is
starting to show- the interior is wearing; the chassis is flexing more
than it should, the body rattles are increasing, things are just plain
breaking.  Sally's got the same mileage and is just barely
worn in.  

I wouldn't give a plugged nickel for the Explorer or the Jimmy at 
100Kmiles, but I expect Sally will be barey into a comfortable 
middle age by then.  Sally cost $8K more; to me, it's worth it

	-Bill Yerazunis

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:43:03 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: 109 SW Exhaust Bolting - Proper Diameter? - S.C.O.T.?

Well I'm looking at bolting up the new exhaust system on Mathilda ('65 
109 SW) and I've come across a question on the appropriate bolts to use. 
 The exhaust system is Genuine LR.  The LR parts catalogue lists 5/16" 
UNF bolts for assembly (with a few 1/4" UNF in places).  Come to try 
this, the set up seems like it would be very loose and only get much 
worse on application of heat.  I've measured the holes and they seem to 
be set up for 3/8" bolts, a check of which revealed a good fit.  
Therefore, I currently intend to assemble the lot with mostly 3/8" 
bolts.  Am I about to commit a Stupid Current Owner Trick (SCOT as 
oppossed to SPOT)?  Has anyone else come across this.  I don't see any 
problem with this, any commments?

Cheers

Jeremy

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Date: 16 Oct 95 11:01:36 EDT
From: Mark Talbot <71035.3215@compuserve.com>
Subject: FREE !!!! SIIA PARTS

ALL,

My wife has told me to get the SIIA sitting around the side of the garage either
cut sold or "OUT OF THERE". I have sold a few bits from it, so here goes, anyone
wanting a 61 SIIA in bits, good hood, wings, and drivers door, roof and side
windows,anything you guys need,  its free if you come to NH and take what you
need. There is no drivetrain, a good gearbox and short block.The seat box is
good.

Mark

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From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: 109 SW Exhaust Bolting - Proper Diameter? - S.C.O.T.?
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 16:59:22 BST

Speaking personally,and as someone who *hates* exhausts,
I reckon you need all the clearance you can get......
Its bad enough when the nuts rust onto the bolts,without
having the bolts rust in place as well.
However,if you *do* use 3/8",let us know how you get on...
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 17:59:53 +0100
From: mfarrall@well.ox.ac.uk (Martin Farrall)
Subject: Discovery gearbox

The "Sunday Times" (8th October edition, I think) had a very brief note
reporting a fault in Discovery gearboxes (insufficient lubrication),
and that a modification (presumably FOC) would be made by dealers.  Has
this been publicised elsewhere?  The article was very brief with few
details, it was not clear whether the fault was on only new model
gearboxes or whatever.

Martin Farrall

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:35:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: track rods

On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, Lloyd Allison wrote:

> Rangie, Disco, Def trackrods:
>    They can be assisted with a bracket that bolts onto the rear
>    of the front diff, to give a little support, when a rock strikes.

Anyone know where you can get such brackets?

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:10:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: GPS FAQ?

On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, T.F. Mills wrote:

> Michael Slade asks about GPS.
> The Nov issue of FOUR WHEELER or PETERSEN'S 4 WHEEL has an article on 
> GPS.  Sorry, can't remember which mag it was:  I skimmed both at the same 
> time.

The reviews I've read mostly don't tell you how to make it easy to use 
with maps you can actually obtain. The following I figured out from trial 
and error (ie getting my Rover lost in the outback).

To me, the single most important consideration is to get one that has the
option of readout in UTM (Universal Transverse Mercator) coordinates.
Minutes and hundredths of minutes, or minutes and seconds are for the
birds when it comes to trying to figure out your position with any
accuracy on a real map -- try it some time for amusement. 

At least if you're using USGS topo maps, having a UTM readout (preferably
in kilometers and tenths rather than meters) makes it a cinch, since
that's the grid they use to cover the map. The easiest are the 1:100,000
series, on which 100 meters is a millimeter and there is a grid line every
10 kilometers (10 cm). You just carry a metric ruler and measure from the
nearest grid line which is never more than 5 km (5 cm) away. On the 7
minute series, there is a grid line every kilometer, and it's easy to
estimate the nearest tenth (100meters) without a ruler. 

The one catch, however you do it, is to remember all these topo maps are
metric and you are dealing in kilometers, not miles -- so apply the
appropriate conversion for the vehicle odometer. 

Hope this is helpful 

Cheers

John Brabyn
89 RR

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Date: 16 Oct 95 14:33:06 EDT
From: James Mobley <70302.2516@compuserve.com>
Subject: Discovery leg room

Lee,

>I'm 6'4" (36" inseam)

Sorry for the confusion. While I never have as much leg room as I'd like I am
comfortable in the Discovery on long (12-14hr) trips. We also thought long and
hard on the leg room question (I also have a 36" inseam) as the Grand Cherokee
had the six way power seats which allows one to tilt the seat base and raise the
seat to get more leg room. If the Discovery had power seats we would probably
have bought it a month sooner.

There is plenty of head room and I've toyed with the idea of having the seat
raised and tilted a little, but haven't investigated much. It has been less of a
comfort problem than I imagined.

We used to have a Porsche 924 and that was the only car I've ever driven that I
could put the seat so far back that I couldn't fully depress the clutch.
Everything else has been a little to a lot tight.

I think you'll find the Discovery to be ok. The rest of the vehicles plusses are
worth it.

Jim,
San Bernardino, CA

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:51:05 -0800
From: jfhess@ucdavis.edu (John Hess)
Subject: 109 leaf springs

Hello all,

My dormobile, rebuilt on a military chassis before I got it, needs new rear
leaf springs.  I have only had it 11 months and the right rear is sagging;
possibly someone re-arched the springs in its recent past?

Due to the military nature of the chassis, I am fairly sure I don't want
regular 109 springs or 109 station wagon springs.  I have checked with
British Pacific out here in California.  They saw the vehicle and announced
that it needed 1 ton springs.  I assume they  mean leaf springs that were
fitted to the 1 ton capacity 109.  They are selling these for $240 apiece.

In an effort to save money, could someone who really knows military
vehicles answer these questions:

are the rear leaf springs on military chassis completely different
dimensions from civilian?  or are they the same length, with different
strengths?

are the sw and regular civilian springs completely different dimensions?
or are they just different capacity?

I intend to take my vehicle to a spring manufacturer and get their opinion
on the feasability of building new ones for less money than genuine but
that plan is being hampered by the fact that I have the swivel balls off
right now.

please email replies to me.

thanks,

jfhess@ucdavis.edu

Land-
   -Rover Dormobile, Sunbeam Tiger and Mazda GLC owner.

#=======#
|__|__|__\___
| _|  |   |_ |  (stolen from David Brown)
"(_)""""""(_)"                                          

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From: MFIELD@MOHAWK.WIC.EPA.GOV
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:01:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Land Rover for Sale

All Rover Enthusiasts:

My previously advertised Land Rover is still available but only becuase
of a lack of funds on the part of interested purchasers.  Here is a brief
listing of the vehicle again.

1967 SER IIA 109 LHD LWB.  SER III transmission - rebuilt about 5000
miles ago.  Four cylinder petrol engine completely rebuilt - 0 miles.
Chassis completely refurbished.  New NATO brush paint.  All work done
in England by rover experts (rovers are all they do).  Includes hard
and soft tops, new roof rack and ladder, new ring and pinion gears to
improve on road performance (you install if desried), acoustic sound
proofing, new carpeting, new door trims, new tires, new brakes, new
seats, new safety belts, and more.  It was appraised at $13,000
(although the appraiser informed me he low-balled it) but I am willing
to consider any reasonable offer.  I must sell it due to employment
problems.  I ordered it from England in March and it just arrived
in September but I cannot keep it now.  Those who have seen it agree
it is worth the appraised value - partly because it is completely
rust free as well as because it contains so many extras.

If interested, please call Malcolm (202) 260-8921 (days) 
(301) 349-5712 (nights) or e-mail me at mfield@mohawk.wic.epa.gov.
Please note I live in Maryland and am on eastern standard time.
Thank you.

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Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:24:35 -0800
From: abalser@merlin.salrm.alaska.edu (Andrew Balser)
Subject: Intro + carb question

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