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1 wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbi26D90n HT
2 wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbi11'95/'96 D90 HT
3 Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs.21ABS
4 Roy_H._Caldwell@desktop.20Re: Re: News from the trans-Africa team
5 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000415Re: LR Supermarket
6 "Stefan R. Jacob" [1000420Vertical winching (The Gods must be...)
7 James Mobley [70302.2516121CU report on Discovery
8 dlawlor@specialty.com (D13Ottawa Valley Landrovers
9 dlawlor@specialty.com (D11Previous message
10 Duncan Brown [DB@CHO004.19Trade request spotted
11 rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca53[not specified]


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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:08:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Henry B. Wilson)
Subject: D90n HT

I talked the local dealership into letting me borrow one of their demos
overnight.  Big mistake.  New car fever, 1.5 years after dropping 30K on a
new Disco.  Your report of 3 already having deposits in AZ doesn't help at
all.  Now I feel that sense of urgency, which as you know is worth thousands
of $ to the dealership.  
Don't know what I'll do, but if I'd followed my instincts on the ZR1, NSX,
Boxster, and Cobra R, I'd probably have a few extra dollars in my pocket
right now.  This picture is not as pretty as the D110, however, since there
are already 3000 D90 in the States, each of which is able to be fit with a
_removable_ hardtop.  My guess is that if you want to make some $$$, get a
deposit but be sure to sell the thing within a month, when it will become
clear that supply, even at 500, outstrips demand.  Then buy a '94 or '95 D90
used and use the leftover cash to get any accessory one's heart desires.

However, who knows?

Henry B. Wilson             http://vumclib.mc.vanderbilt.edu/~wilsonhb

           '59 AHY 100-6                    '94 Disco
                              
      "The Healey's clean; the Rover's filthy.  Life is perfect."

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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:24:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Henry B. Wilson)
Subject: '95/'96 D90 HT

So if the HT is bolted to the frame does that mean it's removable?
Henry B. Wilson             http://vumclib.mc.vanderbilt.edu/~wilsonhb

           '59 AHY 100-6                    '94 Disco
                              
      "The Healey's clean; the Rover's filthy.  Life is perfect."

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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 22:53:41 +1000
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: ABS

Surely ABS operates on a per-wheel basis?
I'd be just a bit peeved if all 4 unlocked to keep the one wheel that happened
to be on ice (coeff of f' 0.1) turning when the other 3 were on bitumen.

Toys: there is a toy shop in the UK with its Britain's selection online
   (link in my toy page somewhere)
   http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/Toys/index.html

Lock-Right:  the club had a talk about them last week and I had a look at
the bits.  It certainly is simple - which is good.  And I actually understood
how it works (c.f. I have never seen a good explanation of how a Detroit locker
works).  But the dog teeth looked rather small, shall we say.
We did not get a convincing answer to why they need to make a revised
model for manual Rangies (? to make it more expensive ?-)

Lloyd

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From: Roy_H._Caldwell@desktop.org (Roy H. Caldwell)
Subject: Re: Re: News from the trans-Africa team
Date: 14 Oct 1995 02:12:37 GMT

Roger,

Count me in.  I'm in the process of starting to put things on the new/old
frame for my 62.  It is an 88 but I would love to take her.  Just anothoer
Coyote in the desert.  97 sounds about right for my schedule.  I can do the
phots and the writing or just the writing or just the photos.

Roy - Rovers in the Rockies
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Date: 14 Oct 95 12:22:32 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: LR Supermarket

>I found the thread about Bat Fastards and LR Supermarket very interesting. I
>have know experience with BATs, but I will come to the defence of the LR
>Supermarket . I have ordered parts from them mover the years and have had now

I actually would confirm this. Ok, they may not always be the best bargain
around, but service and shipment was always prompt and the quality of parts
was unquestionable.

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 14 Oct 95 12:22:27 EDT
From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com>
Subject: Vertical winching (The Gods must be...)

>I recall my favorite scene in "The gods must be crazy" where the fellow
>winched his rover up a tree accidently.
>Could I do that?  :-)

You know, I was always wondering whether anyone ever tried to copy that
stunt... :-))
I strongly suspect that before letting the antichrist dangle from the tree
they emptied out all liquids (petrol, oils etc.) Your vehicle (also Disco),
to be sure, could certainly take it, provided the winch was powerful enough.
But in real life you would have an awful lot of petrol, oil, battery acid,
brake fluid and such dribbling about if you would leave your car hanging
vertically for any length of time. (YFMV - your fluids may vary)

Stefan
<Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com>

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Date: 14 Oct 95 14:32:55 EDT
From: James Mobley <70302.2516@compuserve.com>
Subject: CU report on Discovery

Reply to morison@alumni.cco.caltech.edu

Janine,

CU HATES all SUVs! In fact they don't much care for any car with personality.
Note how they tested these vehicles that ALL make significant compromises for
off-road ability--they didn't even test them off-road! (Ok, they did drive them
across some poor farmer's field where they managed to get all but the Discovery
stuck in the mud. That tells you nothing except thet the Michelin 4x4 tires on
the Discovery are better in mud than whatever all season tires were on the
others.)

We bought our '95 Discovery in May and now have 12K miles on it. We took a 5500
mile trip this summer to Wyoming and Colorado for some serious 4-wheeling. I can
tell you that while CU has some valid criticisms of the vehicle in general they
are all wet on the Discovery.

Driving:
For a truck the Discovery handles VERY well. Strike that, the Discovery handles
very well period. The Michelin tires are superb on and off road. I have no
trouble taking posted 45 mph curves at 70 and it dosen't feel scary and on the
limit either. You do get more body lean then with a car, but you get used to it.
There is no problem driving this vehicle at any sane speed. It cruises
effortlessly at 90 mph. 

If you stomp on the brakes at any speed on most any surface it'll stop so fast
you'll lose your chewing gum. I don't know what CU was doing as no other test of
the car has had less then good things to say about the brakes. BTW, the
Discovery and the Range Rover are the only SUVs that have anti-lock brakes that
work in all gears at all speeds. All of the others switch off the anti-lock when
you shift into low range or they don't work below some speed--10-25 mph or so.
This is a big safty feature off-road.

Acceleration is not the Discovery's strong point, but it does improve a bit as
the engine breaks in. As for not shifting down when the throttle is opened
up--THIS IS ADJUSTABLE! CU should know this! We had the transmission kickdown
adjusted and it downshifts just right. This also makes the vehicle feel more
quick around town as it upshifts later in the RPM range. The trans is a German
one used in Mercedes and BMW, it shifts great--smoothly and positivly. 

Yes, a Grand Cherokee with a V8 will smoke the Discovery, but any other SUV is
in about the same ballpark as far as power and acceleration are concerned. The
Discovery will run away from a V6 Explorer. (Compared to the diesel version sold
in England the US spec Discovery is a rocket ship. Almost twice as fast 0-60.)
Also, the throttle pedal has about 50% more travel from idle to wide open than
most cars. This gives excellent control of the engine off-road, but can make it
seem as though you always have your foot to the floor. This fools some people
when they first drive it into thinking it's really gutless--it's not.

Gas milage is rotten. We check it every tank and we get an average of 13-14 mpg.
Lowest tank was 9 mpg with over 70% off-road best has been 16 mpg, all freeway
at 75 mph. It might do 17 mpg if you drive slower than I do, but this car is
hard to drive slow. The grand Cherokee V8 won't do any better and no SUV gets
much more than 16-17 average.

Interior:
I've never noticed that the pedals were anywhere but where one would expect them
to be, again I sometimes think that CU uses monkeys to test drive.

The power window controls are on the center console to save money--they only
need one set that way. Yes, the layout is a little strange but the buttons move
in the correct, logical direction. The vehicle IS English, it will be
idiosyncratic.

I find the seats to be fairly comfortable. I'm 6'3" and never have enough leg
room. If one is on the heavy side they are a little narrow and they seem to fit
shorter people better than taller. I was never uncomfortable on any of the 12
hour drives we took this summer.

Be sure to notice that the rear seat is about 3" higher than the front so that
people in back can see out the windshield. Nice touch. I can sit in back.

The jump seats are great for kids, who love them. The head room limits them to
people under 5'7" or so.

No other compact SUV has rear AC. Speaking of AC, CU said that their's didn't
cool well. It must have been short on coolant and they didn't check because ours
has no trouble with our 114 degree days. The Discovery has a lot of glass and
the AC does take a while to cool the cabin down, maybe 7-10 min. on a really hot
day. Opening the sunroofs to their first position sucks a lot of the hot air out
and aids cooling greatly. All that glass, BTW, makes for great visibility.

The Land Rover dealers are really great. We had no pressure to buy, none. And
the salespeople really know the vehicle. Ask any other SUV salesperson what the
axle and the transfer case ratios are and you'll get a blank stare. We bought
the car in 30 min from the time we walked in the door with our pre-approved
financing until we closed the deal and signed the papers. We only delt with the
salesman and never spoke to a slaesmanager or someone else trying to get us to
spend more money.

The vehicle does have faults.

The one that irks me the most is that the doors won't stay open unless the thing
is parked facing down hill. Then they fly open when unlatched. If you have kids
you'll be dinging doors left and right.

We have the rear jump seats so storage pockets are at a premium. There's no
place to keep tools, jumper cables, fire extinguisher, etc.

Everything is expensive. (Those wonderful Michelin tires are $170 ea. at
discount places.)

If you want a great 4x4 that will also be a good car, the Discovery is the best.
(We do a lot of SERIOUS off-roading and the Discovery makes it easy. If you want
to know how serious, let me know and I'll take you for a ride.)

If you really want a mini-van the Discovery will disapoint you. It's smaller,
higher and less roomy than any van.

We wouldn't trade ours for anything.

Good Luck!

Jim Mobley
70302.2516@compuserve.com
San Bernardino, CA

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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:58:48 -0400
From: dlawlor@specialty.com (Doug Lawlor)
Subject: Ottawa Valley Landrovers

Hi, Just wanted to say thanks for the copy of your clubs news letter.  I
fount it very interesting and informitive.  
Looking forward to having a new Discovery or D90 some day.  

Doug
Specialty Access Consulting     Voice: (709) 773-0037
Suite 215 38 Pearson St.        Fax: (709) 773-1020
St. John's Nf. A1A 3R1          Internet: dlawlor@specialty.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:18:02 -0400
From: dlawlor@specialty.com (Doug Lawlor)
Subject: Previous message

Please disregard the previous message.  It wasn't meant to go to the list.  

Doug
Specialty Access Consulting     Voice: (709) 773-0037
Suite 215 38 Pearson St.        Fax: (709) 773-1020
St. John's Nf. A1A 3R1          Internet: dlawlor@specialty.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:24:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM>
Subject: Trade request spotted

All,

    Spotted in the classified ads of "Military Vehicle Magazine":

    1941 Dodge 1/2 ton WC23?, Command Car, SN T20786759.  Excellent
    driver to restore.  Used in "War and Remembrance", "Mission of the
    Sharks", many parades.  New top and doors in box.  Have $5000
    invested, offers or trade on old Land Rover (LHD) same condition. 
    Pierre Fontana, 6578 Billingsgate Rd., Mobile, AL 36619. 
    334-661-7098.

    Not that I expect any of you to take him up on it...

    Duncan

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Subject: LAND ROVER TOY NEWS
From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 18:39:37 -0500

Well, Majorette have done it again. As one of the few current producers 
of Land Rover toys that are affordable to most of us and available here 
in North America easily, they are a real challenge to follow.

As with any toy company the way to sell is to produce new toys for kids 
to see on the shelves so that it does not appear to be the same toys over 
the years. That is unless you are a big kid toy collector like me.

The most common way to keep profits up is to use over and over again the 
same mould with vriations in colour and combination of what the toys are 
packaged with, ie in sets with other stuff.

A while ago while returning from a toy show I found what I thought was a 
fluke variation by Majorette. The white 90 with roof rack was in a bubble 
pack towing the caged traile with a lion in it that is normally towed by 
a Toyota Land Cruiser. 

The cobinations of vehicles and trailers by Majorette is called their 300 
series. Also it can be packaged with the logo "TEAM" on it. In this 
series number 328 is listed on the back of the packs as being a Toyota 
and lion cage trailer, the 362 is the familiar Land Rover 4 X 4 and radar 
trailer and 376 is the Range Rover fire engine towing the water tanker 
trailer.

Today at my local K Mart ( you gotta love them 'Mericans) I found another 
lion cage cobination with the white Land Rover D 90 but this time with 
the number stamped onto the box as number 328. I called another K Mart 
and they have another (already spoken for , not for sale) one.

So I dutifully snapped them up and headed home> Upon examination it turns 
out that thew combo  I first picked up has a differrent wheel design than 
todays aquisition, plus the packaging is different. So they will all stay 
boxed and I will go pick up the other  one tommorow so that I can open 
one up for the display cabinet.

In case you didnt realise, I normally try to have one opened and one mint 
boxed of these more affordable ones, plus I have to buy two extras for 
Andy, my collecting partner.

Todays buy cost me $2.97 plus taxes, 15 % here in Ontario.

regards

Robin Craig

--
Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. |  Ottawa Valley Land Rovers

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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:47:00 -0800
From: abalser@merlin.salrm.alaska.edu (Andrew Balser)
Subject: Intro + carburettor question

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