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1 | wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbi | 26 | D90n HT |
2 | wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbi | 11 | '95/'96 D90 HT |
3 | Lloyd Allison [lloyd@cs. | 21 | ABS |
4 | Roy_H._Caldwell@desktop. | 20 | Re: Re: News from the trans-Africa team |
5 | "Stefan R. Jacob" [10004 | 15 | Re: LR Supermarket |
6 | "Stefan R. Jacob" [10004 | 20 | Vertical winching (The Gods must be...) |
7 | James Mobley [70302.2516 | 121 | CU report on Discovery |
8 | dlawlor@specialty.com (D | 13 | Ottawa Valley Landrovers |
9 | dlawlor@specialty.com (D | 11 | Previous message |
10 | Duncan Brown [DB@CHO004. | 19 | Trade request spotted |
11 | rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca | 53 | [not specified] |
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:08:44 -0500 (CDT) From: wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Henry B. Wilson) Subject: D90n HT I talked the local dealership into letting me borrow one of their demos overnight. Big mistake. New car fever, 1.5 years after dropping 30K on a new Disco. Your report of 3 already having deposits in AZ doesn't help at all. Now I feel that sense of urgency, which as you know is worth thousands of $ to the dealership. Don't know what I'll do, but if I'd followed my instincts on the ZR1, NSX, Boxster, and Cobra R, I'd probably have a few extra dollars in my pocket right now. This picture is not as pretty as the D110, however, since there are already 3000 D90 in the States, each of which is able to be fit with a _removable_ hardtop. My guess is that if you want to make some $$$, get a deposit but be sure to sell the thing within a month, when it will become clear that supply, even at 500, outstrips demand. Then buy a '94 or '95 D90 used and use the leftover cash to get any accessory one's heart desires. However, who knows? Henry B. Wilson http://vumclib.mc.vanderbilt.edu/~wilsonhb '59 AHY 100-6 '94 Disco "The Healey's clean; the Rover's filthy. Life is perfect." ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951015 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:24:35 -0500 (CDT) From: wilsonhb@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (Henry B. Wilson) Subject: '95/'96 D90 HT So if the HT is bolted to the frame does that mean it's removable? Henry B. Wilson http://vumclib.mc.vanderbilt.edu/~wilsonhb '59 AHY 100-6 '94 Disco "The Healey's clean; the Rover's filthy. Life is perfect." ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951015 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 22:53:41 +1000 From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au> Subject: ABS Surely ABS operates on a per-wheel basis? I'd be just a bit peeved if all 4 unlocked to keep the one wheel that happened to be on ice (coeff of f' 0.1) turning when the other 3 were on bitumen. Toys: there is a toy shop in the UK with its Britain's selection online (link in my toy page somewhere) http://www.cs.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/tildeLand-Rover/Toys/index.html Lock-Right: the club had a talk about them last week and I had a look at the bits. It certainly is simple - which is good. And I actually understood how it works (c.f. I have never seen a good explanation of how a Detroit locker works). But the dog teeth looked rather small, shall we say. We did not get a convincing answer to why they need to make a revised model for manual Rangies (? to make it more expensive ?-) Lloyd ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951015 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Roy_H._Caldwell@desktop.org (Roy H. Caldwell) Subject: Re: Re: News from the trans-Africa team Date: 14 Oct 1995 02:12:37 GMT Roger, Count me in. I'm in the process of starting to put things on the new/old frame for my 62. It is an 88 but I would love to take her. Just anothoer Coyote in the desert. 97 sounds about right for my schedule. I can do the phots and the writing or just the writing or just the photos. Roy - Rovers in the Rockies -- ......................................................................... WestNet, the Information Service for People with a Passion for this Place Modem: 406-442-3697 (28,800/8-N-1) Info via Internet: westnet@desktop.org Sponsored by Desktop Assistance, Inc. Info via Internet: info@desktop.org ......................................................................... ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951015 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 14 Oct 95 12:22:32 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: LR Supermarket >I found the thread about Bat Fastards and LR Supermarket very interesting. I >have know experience with BATs, but I will come to the defence of the LR >Supermarket . I have ordered parts from them mover the years and have had now I actually would confirm this. Ok, they may not always be the best bargain around, but service and shipment was always prompt and the quality of parts was unquestionable. Stefan <Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com> ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951015 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 14 Oct 95 12:22:27 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Vertical winching (The Gods must be...) >I recall my favorite scene in "The gods must be crazy" where the fellow >winched his rover up a tree accidently. >Could I do that? :-) You know, I was always wondering whether anyone ever tried to copy that stunt... :-)) I strongly suspect that before letting the antichrist dangle from the tree they emptied out all liquids (petrol, oils etc.) Your vehicle (also Disco), to be sure, could certainly take it, provided the winch was powerful enough. But in real life you would have an awful lot of petrol, oil, battery acid, brake fluid and such dribbling about if you would leave your car hanging vertically for any length of time. (YFMV - your fluids may vary) Stefan <Stefan R. Jacob, 100043.2400@CompuServe.com> ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951015 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 14 Oct 95 14:32:55 EDT From: James Mobley <70302.2516@compuserve.com> Subject: CU report on Discovery Reply to morison@alumni.cco.caltech.edu Janine, CU HATES all SUVs! In fact they don't much care for any car with personality. Note how they tested these vehicles that ALL make significant compromises for off-road ability--they didn't even test them off-road! (Ok, they did drive them across some poor farmer's field where they managed to get all but the Discovery stuck in the mud. That tells you nothing except thet the Michelin 4x4 tires on the Discovery are better in mud than whatever all season tires were on the others.) We bought our '95 Discovery in May and now have 12K miles on it. We took a 5500 mile trip this summer to Wyoming and Colorado for some serious 4-wheeling. I can tell you that while CU has some valid criticisms of the vehicle in general they are all wet on the Discovery. Driving: For a truck the Discovery handles VERY well. Strike that, the Discovery handles very well period. The Michelin tires are superb on and off road. I have no trouble taking posted 45 mph curves at 70 and it dosen't feel scary and on the limit either. You do get more body lean then with a car, but you get used to it. There is no problem driving this vehicle at any sane speed. It cruises effortlessly at 90 mph. If you stomp on the brakes at any speed on most any surface it'll stop so fast you'll lose your chewing gum. I don't know what CU was doing as no other test of the car has had less then good things to say about the brakes. BTW, the Discovery and the Range Rover are the only SUVs that have anti-lock brakes that work in all gears at all speeds. All of the others switch off the anti-lock when you shift into low range or they don't work below some speed--10-25 mph or so. This is a big safty feature off-road. Acceleration is not the Discovery's strong point, but it does improve a bit as the engine breaks in. As for not shifting down when the throttle is opened up--THIS IS ADJUSTABLE! CU should know this! We had the transmission kickdown adjusted and it downshifts just right. This also makes the vehicle feel more quick around town as it upshifts later in the RPM range. The trans is a German one used in Mercedes and BMW, it shifts great--smoothly and positivly. Yes, a Grand Cherokee with a V8 will smoke the Discovery, but any other SUV is in about the same ballpark as far as power and acceleration are concerned. The Discovery will run away from a V6 Explorer. (Compared to the diesel version sold in England the US spec Discovery is a rocket ship. Almost twice as fast 0-60.) Also, the throttle pedal has about 50% more travel from idle to wide open than most cars. This gives excellent control of the engine off-road, but can make it seem as though you always have your foot to the floor. This fools some people when they first drive it into thinking it's really gutless--it's not. Gas milage is rotten. We check it every tank and we get an average of 13-14 mpg. Lowest tank was 9 mpg with over 70% off-road best has been 16 mpg, all freeway at 75 mph. It might do 17 mpg if you drive slower than I do, but this car is hard to drive slow. The grand Cherokee V8 won't do any better and no SUV gets much more than 16-17 average. Interior: I've never noticed that the pedals were anywhere but where one would expect them to be, again I sometimes think that CU uses monkeys to test drive. The power window controls are on the center console to save money--they only need one set that way. Yes, the layout is a little strange but the buttons move in the correct, logical direction. The vehicle IS English, it will be idiosyncratic. I find the seats to be fairly comfortable. I'm 6'3" and never have enough leg room. If one is on the heavy side they are a little narrow and they seem to fit shorter people better than taller. I was never uncomfortable on any of the 12 hour drives we took this summer. Be sure to notice that the rear seat is about 3" higher than the front so that people in back can see out the windshield. Nice touch. I can sit in back. The jump seats are great for kids, who love them. The head room limits them to people under 5'7" or so. No other compact SUV has rear AC. Speaking of AC, CU said that their's didn't cool well. It must have been short on coolant and they didn't check because ours has no trouble with our 114 degree days. The Discovery has a lot of glass and the AC does take a while to cool the cabin down, maybe 7-10 min. on a really hot day. Opening the sunroofs to their first position sucks a lot of the hot air out and aids cooling greatly. All that glass, BTW, makes for great visibility. The Land Rover dealers are really great. We had no pressure to buy, none. And the salespeople really know the vehicle. Ask any other SUV salesperson what the axle and the transfer case ratios are and you'll get a blank stare. We bought the car in 30 min from the time we walked in the door with our pre-approved financing until we closed the deal and signed the papers. We only delt with the salesman and never spoke to a slaesmanager or someone else trying to get us to spend more money. The vehicle does have faults. The one that irks me the most is that the doors won't stay open unless the thing is parked facing down hill. Then they fly open when unlatched. If you have kids you'll be dinging doors left and right. We have the rear jump seats so storage pockets are at a premium. There's no place to keep tools, jumper cables, fire extinguisher, etc. Everything is expensive. (Those wonderful Michelin tires are $170 ea. at discount places.) If you want a great 4x4 that will also be a good car, the Discovery is the best. (We do a lot of SERIOUS off-roading and the Discovery makes it easy. If you want to know how serious, let me know and I'll take you for a ride.) If you really want a mini-van the Discovery will disapoint you. It's smaller, higher and less roomy than any van. We wouldn't trade ours for anything. Good Luck! Jim Mobley 70302.2516@compuserve.com San Bernardino, CA ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951015 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:58:48 -0400 From: dlawlor@specialty.com (Doug Lawlor) Subject: Ottawa Valley Landrovers Hi, Just wanted to say thanks for the copy of your clubs news letter. I fount it very interesting and informitive. Looking forward to having a new Discovery or D90 some day. Doug Specialty Access Consulting Voice: (709) 773-0037 Suite 215 38 Pearson St. Fax: (709) 773-1020 St. John's Nf. A1A 3R1 Internet: dlawlor@specialty.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951015 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:18:02 -0400 From: dlawlor@specialty.com (Doug Lawlor) Subject: Previous message Please disregard the previous message. It wasn't meant to go to the list. Doug Specialty Access Consulting Voice: (709) 773-0037 Suite 215 38 Pearson St. Fax: (709) 773-1020 St. John's Nf. A1A 3R1 Internet: dlawlor@specialty.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951015 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:24:52 -0500 (EST) From: Duncan Brown <DB@CHO004.CHO.GE.COM> Subject: Trade request spotted All, Spotted in the classified ads of "Military Vehicle Magazine": 1941 Dodge 1/2 ton WC23?, Command Car, SN T20786759. Excellent driver to restore. Used in "War and Remembrance", "Mission of the Sharks", many parades. New top and doors in box. Have $5000 invested, offers or trade on old Land Rover (LHD) same condition. Pierre Fontana, 6578 Billingsgate Rd., Mobile, AL 36619. 334-661-7098. Not that I expect any of you to take him up on it... Duncan ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951015 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: LAND ROVER TOY NEWS From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 18:39:37 -0500 Well, Majorette have done it again. As one of the few current producers of Land Rover toys that are affordable to most of us and available here in North America easily, they are a real challenge to follow. As with any toy company the way to sell is to produce new toys for kids to see on the shelves so that it does not appear to be the same toys over the years. That is unless you are a big kid toy collector like me. The most common way to keep profits up is to use over and over again the same mould with vriations in colour and combination of what the toys are packaged with, ie in sets with other stuff. A while ago while returning from a toy show I found what I thought was a fluke variation by Majorette. The white 90 with roof rack was in a bubble pack towing the caged traile with a lion in it that is normally towed by a Toyota Land Cruiser. The cobinations of vehicles and trailers by Majorette is called their 300 series. Also it can be packaged with the logo "TEAM" on it. In this series number 328 is listed on the back of the packs as being a Toyota and lion cage trailer, the 362 is the familiar Land Rover 4 X 4 and radar trailer and 376 is the Range Rover fire engine towing the water tanker trailer. Today at my local K Mart ( you gotta love them 'Mericans) I found another lion cage cobination with the white Land Rover D 90 but this time with the number stamped onto the box as number 328. I called another K Mart and they have another (already spoken for , not for sale) one. So I dutifully snapped them up and headed home> Upon examination it turns out that thew combo I first picked up has a differrent wheel design than todays aquisition, plus the packaging is different. So they will all stay boxed and I will go pick up the other one tommorow so that I can open one up for the display cabinet. In case you didnt realise, I normally try to have one opened and one mint boxed of these more affordable ones, plus I have to buy two extras for Andy, my collecting partner. Todays buy cost me $2.97 plus taxes, 15 % here in Ontario. regards Robin Craig -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Ottawa, Ont. | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 951015 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:47:00 -0800 From: abalser@merlin.salrm.alaska.edu (Andrew Balser) Subject: Intro + carburettor question Hello,Forward
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